Finally! I wondered why you hadn't mentioned DMG til now. You need to try all of their tools. Essence, Equilibrium, Multiplicity and TrackComp are indispensable mastering tools and the DSP is as good as it gets :)
Wow I may need to get Limitless! Sounded more open to me than the Pro-L 2. Very nice Streaky! Love the vids with sound examples. Give Matt my thanks 😉 I appreciate getting to hear stuff!
Immediately hear the DMG preserve the low/lowmid. The DMG makes the Fab sound brittle. DMG has a good energy balance, Fab sounds like its going to fall apart at any moment. When I've used the Fab in the past I've learned that it can start to charge the feel of the track if you push it too hard.
DMG cleaner and allows more space for the percussion... it's a solid comparison, thank you for sharing and taking your time to demonstrate it, especially going through the frustration of switching your presets without using the letter savers!!!
Rewatching again since I've been using more limiters recently. Would love another limitless video/tutorial for band selection and settings. Bass sounded deeper and vocal popped out more in the dmg and the highs sounded a pinch harsh on the l2 by comparison
In this example, Limitless sounds so much better : the low end is deep, the stereo image remains wide and everything seems to breathe quite naturally. While the Pro L sounds a bit squashed, way thiner in the low end, pushes the low mid a bit much and looses some stereo width. DMG plugins are really great sounding...
i swear since i watched this video 1 month ago or so, my mastering with the dmg has changed completly and my sound woke up in a different world ..i was always scared about mastering bcs most time i had problems not to crash my mix🤬 but now it went from clashing and muddy to clean and perfectly balanced. This and some other Videos of you really helped me to get near to a professional sound..its crazy dude😍🔥🔥 thank you i really appreciate your work💪🏾
ah and btw i learned from one of your vids to not only use one limiter and smash it and atm i really love taking the tracks clipper for some colour first and 3 x limitless to go step by step to the loudness i prefer and it works great💯🔥
Hard to really assess them without equalizing things so that they sound the same tonally after limiting. Limitless sounds brighter and clearer, although not necessarily better.
Been holding out on trying this plugin due to still understanding how to use dynamic eq effectively across the mixbus. However, seeing you use it as just a limiter and how much more pleasing the Limitless was (on this track) made me a believer. Gonna try it on my next track. Arigato Streaky!
FF is a bit stiffer and a bit distorted/color in the hi-mid, DMG is a bit cleaner and more open but there is a bit of phase movement maybe due to the nature behaviour of multiband crossovers. After all it comes down to taste and what suites the genres best.
Your video was really helpful, thanks so much! As Tyler says, clicking the lock icon will prevent ceiling and threshold from changing as you audition presets. Right clicking it gives you further locking options according to the manual but nothing happened when I right clicked, maybe because I have the demo?
Interesting You are right about limitless Being more appropriate for specific genres. In this example I could hear that limitless is more clear compared to L2. But its Multiband nature disturbs the balance of the mix. This is a dance track and is driven mainly by the base and it feels it loses its wholeness. Cep filter sounds little more cloudy compare to limitless but it sounds much together. I would be very very careful when to decide to use limitless. For dance music you could ruin your mix. I could hear these differences even listening it from my crappy TV speakers. I heard another comparison between limitless Fabfilter and elevate on my studio monitors. It was the same case, limitless just interrupted frequency balance of the mix. Which means stealing the vibe You created during mix down. Be very careful when using this plug in. I think elevate works much better as a multi band limiter since it has 28 bands and it acts more transparent. I would rather have a slightly cloudy master on Fabfilter And keep the wholeness of the track.
@2:30 you speak about the annoying things while changing presets ! that's where the little LOCK atop the GUI directly over the preset name comes into play ;) Also check the clipper, which is fantastic.
Dmg sounds cleaner and beefier, but it would e nice to see what happens when using 32X o oversampling in Pro L2 and going through different algorithms.
Bro Bro, that's what the letters are for LOL. They hold EVERY adjustment in place as you left it. Years back I chose this plug over Fab, simply because it appeared to give complete freedom over the plug's ability to touch hard to reach nuances in our music.
@halion9 DMG is still more transparent. Easy to test yourself. Take the most transparent settings (IMO Elevate -> APS Mastering -> AS Clarity vs DMG -> Styles->Transparency) and apply 0 gain/threshold increase. When you invert the files, DMG will null against the source, while Elevate doesn't, and as you apply gain/threshold the difference only gets more pronounced. The clipper module is also very in depth, but intuitive to use...more so than Elevates imo, and just overall I'm consistently able to get louder, cleaner results out of Limitless, which is the whole point.
I agree that anyone should give Elevate a go. DMG Limitless is undoubtedly the superior limiter, but the sheer functionality and quality of the EQ, MB Transient Shaper, Saturator (softclipper), and their combined effect in the Elevate plugin provide more general flexibility that can be utilized in situations outside of a mastering context. I’m quite fond of how hard I can push drums through the Saturate module in particular. Ozone’s Maximizer is also always worth a look. Each tool has their own strengths and applications after all.
I can't tell if it's just my imagination or not but to me the sound difference was this: Limitless sounded less squashed, more lean/tight and more open as well. I've always heard good things about DMG stuff from pro mastering engineers, but the learning curve has always seemed so steep so i never pulled the trigger. This video may put me over the edge!
Couldn't hear the difference first I thought the multiband and wideband limiting difference will be more prominent! I think kick is more boomy with the proL as well as hi-mid got that smashed dynamics sound (idk maybe 4-6k on clap does a bit of what brainworx XL makes it does) and at the same time it's soo smooth on limitless. But I wouldn't say ProL distorts in a bad way Im sure the mix could be even perceived as more punchy in some situations (or by some people). I personally like the Limitless better!
You can do -0.1db for the Wav and a second version with -1db ceiling for the streaming services or a base that you will compress to mp3 and and and . I am pretty confident he knows what he is doing and that he will change everything he knows after reading all the comments looking for errors. So its nice that you mention all the mathematics but ...there is a butt in it :-) Also for example in Ozone you can export directly to mp3 so what you are refering to as a problem is actually not one. Plus now that i think of it there are dozens of high level mastering songs and tracks that are clipping a bit. Some hitting even +1db above 0. It does not always sound bad and basically who cares? There are really bigger problems. Like a mix that has no clipping but sounds flat and boringly stiff.
I own Limitless and have always preferred it over Pro L2 when comparing the two. In this instance however my ears preferred Limitless but my feet preferred Pro L2. As it's a dance track I'd use the Pro L2 version here personally.
am i the only one who feels weird comparing this to a broadband limiter? I agree that Fabfilter stuff is a great benchmark for quality and usability, but Pro L is not the best comparison for this plugin. the multiband plays too big of a role to be overlooked.
Thanks for sharing. As always - at least to my ears - with Fabfilter. Slightly less defined /controlled low end and over-pronounced highs. Big difference in total. Already mentioned that x-times for Q3 but no one seems to care. Maybe this is one reason why commercial pop production sounds so nasty today? Maybe that's the sound most audio engineers got used too over the years as Q3 seems to be their standard? I don't know. Only know I don't like it :) cheers
I agree with you 100%! That's the reason why I switched over to DMG Equlibrium and Limitless, instead of Q-3 and L-2. Actually, when you dive in, Equilibrium sound better than any digital or analog channel strip style eq. When you learn to hear that, every decision is easier.
I’m not sure you totally understand how this one works. You’re changing presets of course it’s going to change all the parameters. You’re not cycling limiter profiles.
How dare you to compare pro l with the mighty dmg ? Dmg just sound like real hardware even sound better than bettermaker no joke its so 3d thick cohesive i just cant explain
There's multiple developers making better sounding tools than Fabfilter now. DMG is consistently one of those. FF has the name recognition and the most polished UIs, which I get impresses clients, but in terms of the actual sound, I find FF usually results in a sort of vapid modern pop sound that's personally not for me. Think it speaks for itself that with pretty basic settings (on a plugin he doesn't know well) Streaky managed to get what he considered "as good, if not better" sounding results than Fabfilter (one he uses regularly). If you go to DMG's own youtube channel they have some great videos explaining the clipper module and how to fine tune the analog saturation it models along with some other brief explanations of other settings which are extremely useful. Once you dig in depth into the settings, it really opens up so many options and ways to deal with things. You can drive so much harder into Limitless than other limiters and you can really tailor the clipping and other settings to shape the sound exactly how you want.
But still it's riddled with stupid bugs like reseting everything to zero with each preset. That is why Fab filter wins. Its user friendly and beautifully designed that is simply most functional plugin ever created. That is why people use Fabfilter. It's jsut best design and functionality and sound is almost the best as well. That is 99% win in my books.
@@mikelo303 First off, you can easily lock in settings when switching presets....it's that really confusing icon right by the presets shaped like a "lock" LOL. Streaky himself points out he didn't really bother to learn the settings/options, but anyway, thanks for providing a perfect example of why FF is so popular despite sounding extremely mediocre compared to more recent plugins....Fabfilter fanboys making stuff up cause they can't defend the sound lol.
@@yungpepe Man. Chill. I am not a fan boy. I don't even use Fab Filter. I use stock plugins and some others like Eventide, Smart EQ, Gulfoss (in that order). I just simply pointed out why people choose fabfilter. It's best user experience/interface there is plus it can do a lot of things in one plugin. And most importantly it's CPU efficient. You can use many of them in one session. Medicore. No. Its better than average. I'd give it 4 out of 5. But number 5's are usually CPU hungry used for mastering mostly. For mix fab is a great, simple and fast tool to have. But as I said. I use stock plugins whenever I can on every channel during mix. And use "better" eq on Busses. Mastering is other story. So in this context. Yest. For mastering fab is not best option. You can do better.
I kind of prefer Pro L2, but DMG sounds a bit more weighty, more closed at the top and brings the body more forward. That said, Pro L2 sounds cleaner to me. Please, do a review of TDR Limiter 6.
Try clicking on that little lock icon next to the HPF toggle, after applying your basic settings, before cruising through presets ;)
thank you bro🖤
Finally! I wondered why you hadn't mentioned DMG til now. You need to try all of their tools. Essence, Equilibrium, Multiplicity and TrackComp are indispensable mastering tools and the DSP is as good as it gets :)
You need to read the manual. Click the green GUI button to avoid resizing between presets ;)
Wow I may need to get Limitless! Sounded more open to me than the Pro-L 2.
Very nice Streaky! Love the vids with sound examples. Give Matt my thanks 😉 I appreciate getting to hear stuff!
Immediately hear the DMG preserve the low/lowmid. The DMG makes the Fab sound brittle. DMG has a good energy balance, Fab sounds like its going to fall apart at any moment.
When I've used the Fab in the past I've learned that it can start to charge the feel of the track if you push it too hard.
DMG cleaner and allows more space for the percussion... it's a solid comparison, thank you for sharing and taking your time to demonstrate it, especially going through the frustration of switching your presets without using the letter savers!!!
DMG preserves more bass and low punch. Fabfilter kinda pushes that energy into upper bass/low mids
I think Dmg work better in high middle, l2 little distorted in that region.
@@TheYMatheus To me, overall Pro-L 2 is more colored, so yeah, possible
It could be Pro L2's True Peak Limiting option enabled too. Limitless preserved the transients a bit more I think.
Rewatching again since I've been using more limiters recently. Would love another limitless video/tutorial for band selection and settings. Bass sounded deeper and vocal popped out more in the dmg and the highs sounded a pinch harsh on the l2 by comparison
In this example, Limitless sounds so much better : the low end is deep, the stereo image remains wide and everything seems to breathe quite naturally. While the Pro L sounds a bit squashed, way thiner in the low end, pushes the low mid a bit much and looses some stereo width. DMG plugins are really great sounding...
Agreed with everything you said here
best sounding limiter so far!
i swear since i watched this video 1 month ago or so, my mastering with the dmg has changed completly and my sound woke up in a different world ..i was always scared about mastering bcs most time i had problems not to crash my mix🤬 but now it went from clashing and muddy to clean and perfectly balanced. This and some other Videos of you really helped me to get near to a professional sound..its crazy dude😍🔥🔥 thank you i really appreciate your work💪🏾
ah and btw i learned from one of your vids to not only use one limiter and smash it and atm i really love taking the tracks clipper for some colour first and 3 x limitless to go step by step to the loudness i prefer and it works great💯🔥
i had never thought of using the Limitless.it sounds good Streaky.By the way,good song from your assistant.
BEST LIMITER EVER
Hard to really assess them without equalizing things so that they sound the same tonally after limiting. Limitless sounds brighter and clearer, although not necessarily better.
Been holding out on trying this plugin due to still understanding how to use dynamic eq effectively across the mixbus. However, seeing you use it as just a limiter and how much more pleasing the Limitless was (on this track) made me a believer. Gonna try it on my next track. Arigato Streaky!
FF is a bit stiffer and a bit distorted/color in the hi-mid, DMG is a bit cleaner and more open but there is a bit of phase movement maybe due to the nature behaviour of multiband crossovers. After all it comes down to taste and what suites the genres best.
Hit the arrow icon next to the style menu to reveal the under the hood settings if you would like to adjust lookahead etc.
Your video was really helpful, thanks so much! As Tyler says, clicking the lock icon will prevent ceiling and threshold from changing as you audition presets. Right clicking it gives you further locking options according to the manual but nothing happened when I right clicked, maybe because I have the demo?
Interesting You are right about limitless Being more appropriate for specific genres. In this example I could hear that limitless is more clear compared to L2. But its Multiband nature disturbs the balance of the mix. This is a dance track and is driven mainly by the base and it feels it loses its wholeness. Cep filter sounds little more cloudy compare to limitless but it sounds much together. I would be very very careful when to decide to use limitless. For dance music you could ruin your mix. I could hear these differences even listening it from my crappy TV speakers. I heard another comparison between limitless Fabfilter and elevate on my studio monitors. It was the same case, limitless just interrupted frequency balance of the mix. Which means stealing the vibe You created during mix down. Be very careful when using this plug in. I think elevate works much better as a multi band limiter since it has 28 bands and it acts more transparent. I would rather have a slightly cloudy master on Fabfilter And keep the wholeness of the track.
Mandy Parnell recommended L2 in once of her interviews. I can only imagine she had yet to come across DMG, or perhaps before Limitless was released.
@2:30 you speak about the annoying things while changing presets ! that's where the little LOCK atop the GUI directly over the preset name comes into play ;) Also check the clipper, which is fantastic.
Maybe it´s not a big difference but it is a small difference. On L2 you have true peak limiting on and on the DMG you have it off.
I’d like to hear a different mix with more depth, far away reverb effect.
Dmg sounds cleaner and beefier, but it would e nice to see what happens when using 32X o oversampling in Pro L2 and going through different algorithms.
press the lock icon to lock the parameters
Do you have some problems with your sound?
Bro Bro, that's what the letters are for LOL. They hold EVERY adjustment in place as you left it. Years back I chose this plug over Fab, simply because it appeared to give complete freedom over the plug's ability to touch hard to reach nuances in our music.
No gain-compensated bypass?
It is better to use DMG TrackLimit if you don’t eant to use the EQ
could you tweak the limitless settings to get a similar density from the kick as what you get from the pro L?
Could you do it again and include Elevate, which I reckon is the best! Haha!
@halion9 DMG is still more transparent. Easy to test yourself. Take the most transparent settings (IMO Elevate -> APS Mastering -> AS Clarity vs DMG -> Styles->Transparency) and apply 0 gain/threshold increase. When you invert the files, DMG will null against the source, while Elevate doesn't, and as you apply gain/threshold the difference only gets more pronounced. The clipper module is also very in depth, but intuitive to use...more so than Elevates imo, and just overall I'm consistently able to get louder, cleaner results out of Limitless, which is the whole point.
I agree that anyone should give Elevate a go. DMG Limitless is undoubtedly the superior limiter, but the sheer functionality and quality of the EQ, MB Transient Shaper, Saturator (softclipper), and their combined effect in the Elevate plugin provide more general flexibility that can be utilized in situations outside of a mastering context. I’m quite fond of how hard I can push drums through the Saturate module in particular.
Ozone’s Maximizer is also always worth a look. Each tool has their own strengths and applications after all.
I can't tell if it's just my imagination or not but to me the sound difference was this: Limitless sounded less squashed, more lean/tight and more open as well.
I've always heard good things about DMG stuff from pro mastering engineers, but the learning curve has always seemed so steep so i never pulled the trigger. This video may put me over the edge!
Couldn't hear the difference first I thought the multiband and wideband limiting difference will be more prominent! I think kick is more boomy with the proL as well as hi-mid got that smashed dynamics sound (idk maybe 4-6k on clap does a bit of what brainworx XL makes it does) and at the same time it's soo smooth on limitless. But I wouldn't say ProL distorts in a bad way Im sure the mix could be even perceived as more punchy in some situations (or by some people).
I personally like the Limitless better!
-.1 dbfs ceiling will clip once lossy converted/ compressed ... even with 8x over sampling, especially if 32 bit float session/ file
Thought the same thing. Wonder what Streaky thinks
You can do -0.1db for the Wav and a second version with -1db ceiling for the streaming services or a base that you will compress to mp3 and and and . I am pretty confident he knows what he is doing and that he will change everything he knows after reading all the comments looking for errors. So its nice that you mention all the mathematics but ...there is a butt in it :-) Also for example in Ozone you can export directly to mp3 so what you are refering to as a problem is actually not one. Plus now that i think of it there are dozens of high level mastering songs and tracks that are clipping a bit. Some hitting even +1db above 0. It does not always sound bad and basically who cares? There are really bigger problems. Like a mix that has no clipping but sounds flat and boringly stiff.
DMG IS THE BEST LIMITER IN THE MARKET ! I've been testing limiters alot , but i found then expensive, just it !
I own Limitless and have always preferred it over Pro L2 when comparing the two. In this instance however my ears preferred Limitless but my feet preferred Pro L2. As it's a dance track I'd use the Pro L2 version here personally.
am i the only one who feels weird comparing this to a broadband limiter? I agree that Fabfilter stuff is a great benchmark for quality and usability, but Pro L is not the best comparison for this plugin. the multiband plays too big of a role to be overlooked.
Hmmm, I didn't hear a difference between the two, but just off of gui, I would get the DMG.
Thanks for sharing. As always - at least to my ears - with Fabfilter. Slightly less defined /controlled low end and over-pronounced highs. Big difference in total. Already mentioned that x-times for Q3 but no one seems to care. Maybe this is one reason why commercial pop production sounds so nasty today? Maybe that's the sound most audio engineers got used too over the years as Q3 seems to be their standard? I don't know. Only know I don't like it :) cheers
I agree with you 100%! That's the reason why I switched over to DMG Equlibrium and Limitless, instead of Q-3 and L-2. Actually, when you dive in, Equilibrium sound better than any digital or analog channel strip style eq. When you learn to hear that, every decision is easier.
I’m not sure you totally understand how this one works. You’re changing presets of course it’s going to change all the parameters. You’re not cycling limiter profiles.
How dare you to compare pro l with the mighty dmg ? Dmg just sound like real hardware even sound better than bettermaker no joke its so 3d thick cohesive i just cant explain
There's multiple developers making better sounding tools than Fabfilter now. DMG is consistently one of those. FF has the name recognition and the most polished UIs, which I get impresses clients, but in terms of the actual sound, I find FF usually results in a sort of vapid modern pop sound that's personally not for me.
Think it speaks for itself that with pretty basic settings (on a plugin he doesn't know well) Streaky managed to get what he considered "as good, if not better" sounding results than Fabfilter (one he uses regularly). If you go to DMG's own youtube channel they have some great videos explaining the clipper module and how to fine tune the analog saturation it models along with some other brief explanations of other settings which are extremely useful.
Once you dig in depth into the settings, it really opens up so many options and ways to deal with things. You can drive so much harder into Limitless than other limiters and you can really tailor the clipping and other settings to shape the sound exactly how you want.
But still it's riddled with stupid bugs like reseting everything to zero with each preset. That is why Fab filter wins. Its user friendly and beautifully designed that is simply most functional plugin ever created. That is why people use Fabfilter. It's jsut best design and functionality and sound is almost the best as well. That is 99% win in my books.
@@mikelo303 First off, you can easily lock in settings when switching presets....it's that really confusing icon right by the presets shaped like a "lock" LOL. Streaky himself points out he didn't really bother to learn the settings/options, but anyway, thanks for providing a perfect example of why FF is so popular despite sounding extremely mediocre compared to more recent plugins....Fabfilter fanboys making stuff up cause they can't defend the sound lol.
@@yungpepe Man. Chill. I am not a fan boy. I don't even use Fab Filter. I use stock plugins and some others like Eventide, Smart EQ, Gulfoss (in that order). I just simply pointed out why people choose fabfilter. It's best user experience/interface there is plus it can do a lot of things in one plugin. And most importantly it's CPU efficient. You can use many of them in one session. Medicore. No. Its better than average. I'd give it 4 out of 5. But number 5's are usually CPU hungry used for mastering mostly. For mix fab is a great, simple and fast tool to have. But as I said. I use stock plugins whenever I can on every channel during mix. And use "better" eq on Busses. Mastering is other story. So in this context. Yest. For mastering fab is not best option. You can do better.
@@mikelo303 k
I kind of prefer Pro L2, but DMG sounds a bit more weighty, more closed at the top and brings the body more forward. That said, Pro L2 sounds cleaner to me.
Please, do a review of TDR Limiter 6.
Pro L raised the bar quite high "but" to be honest, Limitless is better than Pro L imo. Pro L still has its own vibe and usage.
Your clipping your mic man, just a heads up :)
@far ema When he is talking in his intro he is clipping the mic. I can hear it. It's not the plugin.
Aha! A vid on limitless!!! Thank you!
DMG is darker and more forward; listening on Focal CMS40 and Mackie XR624. Nice track! Cheers Streaky : D
DMG sounds better !