The SECRET Weapon That Conquered Bathurst 500 - The Holden’s EH S4

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  • @stevegraham3817
    @stevegraham3817 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Half of the footage was not the EH, and half of that footage was of an Eh so highly modified only the body shell was actually EH.
    02:40 - imagine what could be achieved if you actually showed the car the story is about, and if you used an Aussie voice instead of a yank bot.
    Home-o-low-gation you say...
    06:03 - I never knew the EH had a 4 cylinder Caterpillar diesel in them.
    06:16 - No idea what that engine is, but she isn't an EH Red Motor.
    06:47 - Front wheel drive gearbox in them too. Amazing.
    Scuderia Ferrari mechanic sneaking out of Formula 1 and making an appearance at Bathurst as an EH guru.
    08:25 - wheels that double as door speakers.
    08:28 - Bathurst hasn't been a dirt road since the 1930s.
    10:20 - none of those tools were in the EH.
    10:50 - another nice piece of footage of a Ford.
    I reckon this was done by A.I.
    God help us, they want A.I. to give medical advice, and do medical operations in the near future

    • @LegendaryRideCars
      @LegendaryRideCars  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for your comprehensive feedback 🙏
      We do our best to deliver good quality content. We don’t use AI for the videos. Just for some thumbnails.

    • @stevegraham3817
      @stevegraham3817 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@LegendaryRideCars If that is truly the case, then you need to sack your researchers, videographers, and narrators, because they were grossly wrong.

    • @Simon.the.Likeable
      @Simon.the.Likeable 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stevegraham3817 My favourite was @ 02:04 - "homo - logation." It must either be for diversity purposes or it's a new species of primitive human.

    • @paultennant2593
      @paultennant2593 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      here ..here.. well said man..from Melbourne I always remember through the 1980's watching appendix J races on tv ..Calder circuit ..Sandown ,oran park .etc .EH 6cyl always ran a close 2nd
      to that cobra striped 289 mustang..was always right on his tail.. EH was a boring beige colour..Does anybody else remember this

    • @stevegraham3817
      @stevegraham3817 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paultennant2593 I vaguely remember the grainy motorsport footage on the ABC, or was it at the beginning of SBS' existence as a TV channel.?

  • @andywaugh4165
    @andywaugh4165 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Well that was a lot of random file footage

  • @nealenewton4193
    @nealenewton4193 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The EH S4 never won Bathurst in series production racing.
    It shone in Improved Tourer class.
    Nevertheless the S4 has always been a favourite classic.
    Very rare back then,ultra rare now.

  • @chrisrumble2665
    @chrisrumble2665 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Conquered Bathurst?! Tell me you know nothing about Australian cars or motorsport without...well you know the rest.

  • @MrBobbit666
    @MrBobbit666 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    this is my favourite car of all time

    • @LegendaryRideCars
      @LegendaryRideCars  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have you been able to drive one or see it live?

  • @janehanlon2802
    @janehanlon2802 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As far as I remember the s4 had 2 stromberg carbs , and that’s about it lol

  • @miceinoz1181
    @miceinoz1181 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My father had a genuine S4 that he said used to belong to Beechey/Stillwell or some racing notable in the day, not sure after all these years. Normal 179, slightly heavier suspension but nothing else worth mentioning. It did have the purple S4 logo on the steering box, so that may have a different ratio.

  • @anthonyg638
    @anthonyg638 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    It was a good car but the Australian developed Cortina GT smashed it to bits

    • @raymondschmidtke9721
      @raymondschmidtke9721 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The cortina was sheet metal only the the running gear was all Lotus so hardly Aussie.

    • @Rassskle
      @Rassskle 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@raymondschmidtke9721
      Not true......the Lotus Cortina GT's were 100% English Fords, with Lotus engine and other mechanical tweaks, as well as Lotus tuning and suspension knowledge.......but still a Cortina in every way, just hotted up by race and performance experts.
      We had experts in Australia, too......like Harry Firth.
      A brilliant race engineer, ideas man and CHEAT.
      Without Harry, there would be NO XU1, no L34, no A9X and probably no legendary Peter Brock.....just a brilliant record of a talented driver , providing he was able to get drives in the right cars.
      Harry made sure that Brock always had the right car, even when he didn't win.
      But Harry was not Australias top racing guru, mechanic and engineer.
      Shepherd holds that title......was a time when every race built by Shepherd won the relevant Aussie title......for both Geoghan bros, Norm Beechey and many others.

    • @stephenmoutafis5587
      @stephenmoutafis5587 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It was not .Very different .Head and carb different

    • @anthonyg638
      @anthonyg638 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@raymondschmidtke9721 sheet metal correct. The Australian Cortina GT was developed and built by Harry Firth in Melbourne as a Homologation Special and paid for and sold by Ford Australia. It was not as advanced as a Lotus Cortina and was for production car racing at Bathurst.

    • @patrickroohan7633
      @patrickroohan7633 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@anthonyg638 The 1964 Cortina GT 500!

  • @deanehill9730
    @deanehill9730 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Terrible production and a narrator who has no idea. Very poorly done.

  • @janehanlon2802
    @janehanlon2802 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hp block came with a steel forged crank , same as the 186 s

  • @mattjacomos2795
    @mattjacomos2795 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Homo-logation??? I usually thumbs down AI voice overs. Ive never heard of this model, but i have heard of the 179HP (as in High Performance, not Horse Power) lots of irrelevant images, particularly that yellow engine. Bad Show...😢

    • @LegendaryRideCars
      @LegendaryRideCars  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mattjacomos2795 thanks for your feedback! We always try our best and improve with each video. We use two different real experienced voice overs by real team members. Maybe we get them on camera in a future one.. 🤔

    • @craigbee9760
      @craigbee9760 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@LegendaryRideCars That voice-over is about as real as a $3 bill.

    • @ShanePhillips-mv7bi
      @ShanePhillips-mv7bi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hp had steel crank to

    • @ChristopherWHerbert
      @ChristopherWHerbert 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@LegendaryRideCars No Disc brakes, not many if any modifications and a minor change to the carburetor.
      As I know of the Holden 'red engine' from inside and out. Technically and otherwise. You are always just going to be creating a SPAM video of in accurate facts.

    • @doraexplora9046
      @doraexplora9046 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The 179 was designated for it's Cubic Inch capacity. ie 179CI Homologation meant a manufacturer had to produce a min 500 examples to race at Bathurst. I think BMC were the first to push the rules so that became the standard.

  • @patrickroohan7633
    @patrickroohan7633 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    At about 6.10 you show the 179 engine...only problem you show an 8 valve head.. in a six?? Interesting! How about some real research! In fact it looks a little like a crossflow head.. an 8 valve cross flow in a six! Outstanding! Such research!

  • @malcolmhector2641
    @malcolmhector2641 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Win Bathurst ,by the car on Mondays , that was the best years of Bathurst .

    • @doraexplora9046
      @doraexplora9046 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think that might have even been an add for Ford. or someone. Rings a bell.

  • @Tbirdtrav71
    @Tbirdtrav71 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    EH Holden S4 was beaten by a lap by a Ford Cortina GT, with a 4 cyl engine with half the displacement. Holden EH S4 was no legendary race car..... 105mph top speed....and WOW a bigger fuel tank.

    • @LegendaryRideCars
      @LegendaryRideCars  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, that’s why we have this part in the video, too:
      „The EH S4 didn’t win the race, but it came in second, only beaten by a Ford Cortina GT, (…)“

    • @doraexplora9046
      @doraexplora9046 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Yeah, but to be fare to the clunky ol' Holden. The GT did have a Lotus engine in it and not a clunky ol' Ford motor.

    • @leithmurray736
      @leithmurray736 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@doraexplora9046the GT Did not have a Lotus tin cam in it

    • @awp1958
      @awp1958 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@LegendaryRideCarsSo it hardly conquered the Bathurst 500 then.

    • @awp1958
      @awp1958 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@doraexplora9046 No it didn't. The GT wasn't the Lotus Cortina

  • @Low760
    @Low760 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Did you just read from Australian muscle car's issue of this car? It's all sounding familiar.

    • @LegendaryRideCars
      @LegendaryRideCars  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Could you give us more info on that please?

  • @JoeShabidu
    @JoeShabidu หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Conquer would indicate winning right? What year did they "conquer" Bathurst then?

  • @kimbo3068
    @kimbo3068 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It Never Conquered Bathurst Period! The Little Minis & Cortinas beat it every time! Total BS

  • @scottslater-nb5ch
    @scottslater-nb5ch 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Also S4 had to run with standard crossply tires as its rims weren't flanged for race rubber as cortina and mini had

    • @rossbrumby1957
      @rossbrumby1957 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I had 3 minis, all later models than the coopers that raced- none had safety rims- not even the aftermarket mags on my 77 mini s.

    • @scottslater-nb5ch
      @scottslater-nb5ch หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rossbrumby1957 S4 rims had different flange couldn't accept race rubber of the day the others could use rag race tyres

  • @paulmidwinter333
    @paulmidwinter333 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If you have never heard of an eh Holden then U don't know Holden. Your probably a vw fan

    • @neilasd3043
      @neilasd3043 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      VW STILL GOING HOLDEN COLLAPSED..

    • @JoeShabidu
      @JoeShabidu หลายเดือนก่อน

      If you think Holden was ever an Australian Car company you also don't know Holden.

    • @JoeShabidu
      @JoeShabidu หลายเดือนก่อน

      Holden Didn'r Collapse. GM just deleted the Brand and it's Operations.

  • @brycejames8770
    @brycejames8770 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Very ordinary..I think it’s all been said on other posts this was crap.

  • @TechRanaBD-6699
    @TechRanaBD-6699 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    nice video
    but Below we found your channel issue:
    * TH-cam video SEO score is very low.
    * High-ranking tags are not setup
    * Not the title - description - tag is SEO friendly
    * TH-cam channel is a lot of trouble
    * As a result views, likes and subscribers are not increasing.

  • @craigbrown2870
    @craigbrown2870 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The HP block had thicker cylinder walls allowing for better machining & stronger block😮

  • @catmogguy
    @catmogguy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Go the slant😂

  • @daveduffy1755
    @daveduffy1755 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    A Holden legend in street form S4 and a giant on the race track modified to hell and driven by Norm Beechey 😮

    • @stephenmoutafis5587
      @stephenmoutafis5587 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      More that twice the power and torque

    • @Tbirdtrav71
      @Tbirdtrav71 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@stephenmoutafis5587 A giant on the race track?

  • @rovert1284
    @rovert1284 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Not watching anymore. The random footage is driving me nuts.

  • @Eqium
    @Eqium 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    my 1st car was an EH I love them if I was to buy a car to restore it would be a EH, it was the car that were 1st for me was the 1st car I painted myself the 1st hot cam, 1st car I put a bigger engine in was the 1st car I put a 4 speed I love them
    GM didn't have much input to GMH, Ford not at anytime was a real competitor to GMH in sales in Australia, that lasted from 1948 to 2017, and GMH was the only arm of GM that was profitable and topped sales figures till 2017 and then they did the dirty on the Australian government, by getting a grant to help GMH to build in Australia what they did was take that money and used it to get GM in the USA to get out of chapter 11 bankruptcy, then tried to do it again and the government said nope your not going to rip off the Australian tax payers off anymore, instead of putting the money in to GMH they stopped manufacturing in Australia, GM-USA could not be trusted and to today GM couldn't give away a car in Australia, Australians love Holden's and that stopped the day the last Holden rolled off the production line the 2017 VF Commodore, we still love Holdens and still command High prices and still sort after, a lot of Australians worked at GMH and industry's making parts for them it left a bad taste

    • @LegendaryRideCars
      @LegendaryRideCars  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Eqium thank you for your comment. „Was an EH“ so you sold it?

    • @Eqium
      @Eqium 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LegendaryRideCars yes mate years ago I should have said, Mitsubishi, Toyota and Ford built cars in Australia and also got grants but were honest about pulling out, they still sell cars in Australia Ford sell there Rander Trucks and mustangs which still sell well and Toyota are in the top 3 sales wise and its a shoot out which truck sell more the Ranger or the Hilux both are the 2 best selling vehicles in the country and Ford got a lot of holden v8 people with mustangs and the V8 Ranger

    • @paultennant2593
      @paultennant2593 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      well said ..I remember when the whole country was waiting to see Holden's next model...all through the seventys and eightys..Car manufacture never had to go so silly..some of us were always happy to wind down a window by a circular motion of the hand..

  • @allanbudge-sb9zj
    @allanbudge-sb9zj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Brown one with white roof is an ej not an eh.

  • @justinjoyit13
    @justinjoyit13 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A floor shift 4 speed would have helped no end.

  • @batmanlives6456
    @batmanlives6456 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Took the racing scene by storm?
    You mean it got regularly beaten by 1500 cc cortina’s and 1275 minis
    You gotta be kidding me

  • @scottslater-nb5ch
    @scottslater-nb5ch 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    S5 was banned so road version S4 was raced . Spencer Martin's may have been S5 ghosted as S4 also Norm Beechies car is genuine S5 one of six built holden gave these cars away to Scrudaria Veloce and neptune racing the others given to the police so road version had to be raced . Scrudaria Veloce ran the Martin car?

  • @LegendaryRideCars
    @LegendaryRideCars  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    What do you think made the 1963 Holden EH S4 stand out the most in Australian motorsport history?

    • @harrywalker968
      @harrywalker968 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      being beaten by a 4 cylinder.. the only race holden ever won was bathurst cos they cheated.. or disqualified other winners.. cars that came to aus to run at bathurst had to be de tuned..says it all. plus, the eh was renoun for rolling over. last bathurst race was 1989, . because it all went to sht, because holden couldnt compete.. even brabham, went to england as holden wasnt interested.. just prefered to sell horses flogged to death..

    • @chrisrumble2665
      @chrisrumble2665 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The wheel cetres pulling out.😂 You really don't know too much do you?

    • @Tbirdtrav71
      @Tbirdtrav71 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well it didnt stand out. It did NOT win. Beaten by a 4 cylinder Ford.
      What or who made the descision to make a video on this basic car?

    • @geoffjohnston1708
      @geoffjohnston1708 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@harrywalker968 what on earth are you talking about???

  • @jimmartin9704
    @jimmartin9704 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Jesus's, you're talking this up.
    Cortina's , Cooper s ate them for breakfast

    • @scottslater-nb5ch
      @scottslater-nb5ch 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Cortinas and minis had race rubber Holden had to have standard wheels not flanged for race rubber sad because S4 was much faster even on cross-plies or radials even broke wheels cornering and race prepared S 5s where banned and given away before the race😊

  • @leongt1954
    @leongt1954 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of these in mint condition is going for between $30,000 to $40,000

    • @LegendaryRideCars
      @LegendaryRideCars  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Have you been able to drive one?

    • @Low760
      @Low760 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not an s4.

    • @harrywalker968
      @harrywalker968 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      seems like theres still suckers out there..buying rubbish..

    • @stephenmoutafis5587
      @stephenmoutafis5587 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Where

  • @alanpennykid133
    @alanpennykid133 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What do you mean by conquer? It certainly didn't win at Bathurst. Beaten by Fords 1.5 litre 4 cyl Cortina in both '63 and '64.

  • @doraexplora9046
    @doraexplora9046 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    My skateboard went faster than an EH. I had an XP Falcon Super Persuit and my friend had an EH with a 179 in it. The thing looked like it was parked all the time, compared to the Ford.

    • @LegendaryRideCars
      @LegendaryRideCars  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@doraexplora9046 😆😆😅 whoop 🙌 have you been on race with him?

    • @doraexplora9046
      @doraexplora9046 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@LegendaryRideCars Yeah all the time. His EH flat out was my 3rd gear,(top gear) and all I had to do was pedal it and the Ford left it for dead. The same for the 186 in either an EH or a Monaro. None of those Holden motors were as good as the Ford XP Super Persuit.

    • @stephenmoutafis5587
      @stephenmoutafis5587 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@doraexplora9046and the slant six was faster still.A lot more torque

    • @rinibrugel3573
      @rinibrugel3573 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@doraexplora9046 Having owned a 179 EH in the 70's and a friend had a 170 pursuit I call BS on this claim.

    • @doraexplora9046
      @doraexplora9046 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@rinibrugel3573 They also made a 200 Persuit. So I double down. The only time I ever saw an EH go fast was when we pushed one into a quarry!

  • @craigbrown2870
    @craigbrown2870 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The cortinas were a lotus with a ford body

    • @patrickroohan7633
      @patrickroohan7633 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The Lotus Cortina did not race in the Bathurst 500 in those days. The winners in 63, 64 were Cortina Gts, and in 65 the locally developed Cortina GT 500.

  • @ShanePhillips-mv7bi
    @ShanePhillips-mv7bi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Eh is 64 ej is 63

    • @craigbee9760
      @craigbee9760 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      EJ was released in 1962 but were still rolling of the production line in 63, EH was released in 63.

    • @ShanePhillips-mv7bi
      @ShanePhillips-mv7bi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@craigbee9760 ek is 62

    • @craigbee9760
      @craigbee9760 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@ShanePhillips-mv7bi Models are defined by the year they are first released, not by when the last model rolls of the line.
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden

    • @ShanePhillips-mv7bi
      @ShanePhillips-mv7bi หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      So a 48 215 fx is a 47 then h0 h0

    • @JoeShabidu
      @JoeShabidu หลายเดือนก่อน

      Attention Pretend Genius: EH Holden S4 Was released in September 1963. EJ Was Released in July 1962. Prove Me Wrong....

  • @scotthunter1639
    @scotthunter1639 25 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Very random footage olemate!!
    Some non factual information and evidence, mate..
    Yes, some facts you say are true, some not so much..
    Do your research properly before you post it on TH-cam..
    Some of your footage used was later hjxz holden not eh..

  • @chrisdon1375
    @chrisdon1375 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Mate your file fottage just Sucks. poorley put togher. Why show Fords or Vallents in this? Not watced passed 9 mins. Wast of Time.

    • @Tbirdtrav71
      @Tbirdtrav71 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A bit like your English skills.

    • @chrisdon1375
      @chrisdon1375 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, with my fat fingers and correct and glasses you drongo.

    • @Tbirdtrav71
      @Tbirdtrav71 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@chrisdon1375 I'm a drongo because you have fat fingers and can't read? With that logic you must be a pro Palestine apologist. If you can comprehend that?

  • @bunion8579
    @bunion8579 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bot voice starts. Me stops watching.

  • @JohnClark-e2q
    @JohnClark-e2q 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Why can’t you use your own voice??

    • @LegendaryRideCars
      @LegendaryRideCars  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@JohnClark-e2q it is the voice of one of our voice over artists. What do you mean?

    • @Tbirdtrav71
      @Tbirdtrav71 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      He's not an English speaker....read his replies to comments. His level of proficiency in writing English is weak.

  • @neilasd3043
    @neilasd3043 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Lot of cry babies here.

    • @Tbirdtrav71
      @Tbirdtrav71 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Truth hurts

    • @JoeShabidu
      @JoeShabidu หลายเดือนก่อน

      And a few triggered Bot lovers like yourself.

  • @ChrisSmith-nw7be
    @ChrisSmith-nw7be 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ai generated crap

  • @dazaspc
    @dazaspc 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    MMM way to much AI content. an S4 is a Taxi package with a differential from a 149 model. With different to standard brake linings. Everything else is the same.

  • @Smelly_Indian
    @Smelly_Indian 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    So a bunch of shitbox "ostrayan" designed cars with big 6 cylinder engines race against each other on their home race track only to all be beaten by a British car with a tiny 4 cylinder 1.5 litre powered Cortina. Says a lot about the crappy "ostrayan" cars produced by their own car industies that eventually flopped.

    • @LegendaryRideCars
      @LegendaryRideCars  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you for your comment! What do you mean by “ostrayan”?

    • @64fairlane305
      @64fairlane305 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The "British" Cortina was nothing but a crimped version of the US made Ford Falcon, just as the Holdens were pure copys

    • @LegendaryRideCars
      @LegendaryRideCars  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@64fairlane305 thanks for helping out! And what’s your favourite for Bathurst 500?

    • @Smelly_Indian
      @Smelly_Indian 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@64fairlane305 🤣🤣 An "ostrayan" showing off his low intellect. What a surprise. Designed and built by the management at Ford of Britain and no relationship to the falcon design. Hurts when you don't do your research before posting, hey "ostrayan"?

    • @Smelly_Indian
      @Smelly_Indian 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@64fairlane305 The cortina was designed by the management at Ford of Britain and is unrelated to the falcon. Well done "ostrayan". Maybe do some research first.