The experimental vehicles are the best videos. I'd honestly rather see clips about the smaller companies trying to make interesting things than about another crossover SUV.
Even when none of them ever make it to market? Can count on one hand the number of EV start ups Fully Charged has covered that made it to full production, or even batch production
Wait, a small electric vehicle you can jump in and out of on both sides to do local deliveries? That actually IS like a milk float, and weren't they brilliant for doing exactly that job. ❤️
I was just watching a British "How it's made" show and they had a bit about the electric milk delivery lorries. They showed one that was built back in 1975 that still in operation.
It's amazing how unwittingly eco friendly we were back in the 60's 70's and 80's. Our milk and orange juice delivered by an EV, in glass bottles, that would be taken away by an EV, to be cleaned and re-used. Imagine that!
Scams. The start-up gets investors to give them money. They show off a prototype. The higher ups pocket the rest of the money and run. This is why tax evading is one of the most common killers for EV companies. The higher ups want that money for themselves. They don't care about the staff they'll make redundant or the companies that helped them on the way.
Because they never meant to go to production. Them companies just go after government funds. Once they get them they just shut everything down. Legal way to steal tax payer money.
THIS is where the EV concept shines. not video games for adult children manipulating their way around their daily tasks, but "last mile" delivery. low(er) speeds, maneuverability. cheers!
Dude, I live in North London, and I haven't seen a diesel van making a delivery on our street in a couple of years. DHL, Amazon and DPD all use electric ones already, as do Tesco, Asda, Sainsburys and Waitrose
I live in North London and the most common vehicle is the Mercedes diesel vans. I do see electric vans but that's one in ten. Asda near here has just put in an order for Mercedes EV vans. In December, they're going full EV for deliveries. Even Royal Mail near here has an order for those Hyundai EV vans. They'll all be EV in this area by January. Amazon though, they just put in some orders for diesel vans.
That's great to hear, but here in Norfolk everything is diesel. Hope we see EV vans in the near future because it's a lovely county spoilt by all the ICE vehicles.
@@Joe90V I live in Norwich city centre and am happy to say that Amazon,Royal mail and the double decker buses are now a majority electric. I know that the rural areas (the rest of norfolk) the infrastructure and distance of the vehicles isn’t there yet! Let’s hope our council can get this sorted.
@@nicktruran9413 No, but the point is that E-vans are spreading already. There are plenty here in Cambridge too. In all three classes of full-size vans, heavy quadricycles (like this ELM) and light quadricycles like the EAV. Test towns first, but they will be everywhere soon enough.
And I feel sad for you guys with all the SUVs and Trucks that American companies love to pump out... No one is actually stopping them from making a variety of shapes, sizes and types of vehicles. But they're just addicted to the boxy, shaped like a fridge (and also weighing the same), big fat cars...
Unfortunately conservatives have done their best to undermine America's EV, battery, and alternative energy tech. it's a key reason China is having America for lunch in these sectors. The Chinese went all-in while Trump claims global warming is a hoax, wants to invest in coal and oil, and claims alternate energy tech damages the economy. And million of conservatives bought into this immensely stupid narrative. Meanwhile China's exploding EV. battery and alternate energy industries have allowed them to become global leaders. Half the cars sold in China today are EVs. They sell them for less money than similarly equipped ICE cars in America. And they are in the process of rolling out super fast chargers that will give 80 percent charge in less than 10 minutes to support the latest generation batteries that also have longer ranges. its a checkmate move on ICE cars.
@@JGS123WRPTP Why be so rude? Despite what you may think America is an incredibly generous, polite and hard working country in spite of its faults. I'm a Brit by the way.
I get the thought but think of it from a different perspective, a logistics company can make shelving units that fit this exact dimensions then pre pack it and simply remove one unit and replace it and the drive is off. No more loading delivery vans. That would be a MASSIVE cost saving. I bet there will be a guide built to ensure this issue isn't an issue too.
A significant amount of delivery is already done with electric vans. I work across the street from a DPD last mile depot, and when the vans all swarm out in the morning, I'd say from a wild guess (I didn't count) that about one third of them are electric. And over in my hometown, logistics companies like DHL and Hermes use large electric assisted cargo bicycles like the Velove Armadillo (available as a rigid truck or as a tractor-trailer combo) for the last mile
Must be exciting potential to optimise the cost value of electrification in the logistics field. If they can increase battery density and get 22kw chargers on board vans like this they may also never need to charge them on DC, outside the home site or outside planned down time for each vehicle, saving even more.
Robert was keen to point out the overall size and volume efficiency and how it 'fits" into the "logistics landscape". Tesco (UK) use EV Transit size vans but a Transit size van is still a Transit sized van so their virtue is limited to being an EV. You might recall Robert has presented at least one other "last mile" vehicle in Japan which was "more or less" designed with navigating the backstreets of downtown Tokyo sort of thing. The logistics lads are developing small form factor vans to enable even chunky goods to be delivered to the door, even down back alleys. Might even see mini EV dustbin lorries doing a similar job in reverse ... Thus far we have been treated to episodes on the topic of EV delivery vehicles so no reason such vehicles shouldn't take stuff away. Food for thought Robert?
An online grocer in the Netherlands, Picnic, uses electric delivery vans that look pretty similar in size and utility. Works perfectly fine in urban environments.
The side panels of the refrigerated section should be large phase change freezer blocks that can be removed and refrozen back at base. The crates have to come out anyway for refill, so treat them like that. Would save huge amounts of energy while on the move.
We were on holiday to a family resort where the staff used similar vehicles which allowed them to work in the morning and late at night without waking guests (they used electric tools too) so that'd be another market
We should not forget a lot of "resorts" have been using electric buggies to transport XXXXL sized American golfers along the fairways for some time. The torque on those motors must be immense.
Its nice to see you back on the case Robert as these new and innovative projects was always my favourite parts of your channel. More please!! Maybe revisiting some of your earlier projects, like community energy sector.
I like this video a lot, thank you. The pace of the video was great - Fully Charged videos can sometimes have painfully long introductions, but this one was great. Well done.
This is a great video. Hope this comes to market. If it’s being made in the uk exactly the type of thing government needs to support. Looking forward to the day our streets aren’t full of diesel fumes.
We already have British-made e-delivery quadricyles: EAV who have been shipping product since 2019. The 3rd-gen is available now, improved with feedback from various delivery companies over the last few years. The German-made Mubea vehicles have become the market-leader in the last couple of years (due to breakage (wheels) on some of the 2nd-gen EAV vehicles.
Big advantage of tiny vans is making it easier to tuck the thing at the side of the road when making a drop, as anyone who's had to stop in front of a terrace house will know.
We had so much hope for the German Xbus from Electricbrands. Also based on the L7e platform. They had the completely working and finished end products, the distribution network . . . were ready for mass production at VDL Nedcar in Netherlands . . . . but lacked the starting capital for it.
So much better than ice vans , one stopped down the road the other day , driver sat in it for 30 mins and had his lunch with the engine turned on chucking out its fumes , brilliant, Not 😡😊👍
Totally agree! 👍 we just had roadworks going on by our rural property repairing a slip. The traffic management guys were sitting there every night for 7 weeks with their diesel trucks running all night long just to keep the lights on and the heater going. We're used to clean air in the countryside so the stench of hot diesel engine and the noise of the engine and the fan constantly running all night drove us nuts! An ev van would have been way better for everyone, not to mention the rate payers too!
I prefer this content over cars. There are so many ways ICE are used in our daily lives, improving deliveries very vehicles is imperative to our health.
@@Mr.Monta77 No, it's my experience. Been involved in three such projects (some of them even appeared on Fully Charged), which gone bust as soon as they got funding and it was all spent without producing final product. Unfortunately this is new legal way to get your tax money in return of nothingness ;) Now UK is funding planting trees. Same thing, I know company who got funding and planting trees where they will need to be cut down in few years due to being too close to the road. Unfortunately, everything is corrupt these days. Just some people pretend to not see this, because this would hurt their feelings and their believes.
I can't wait until the day these kinds of vehicles are eveywhere quietly, cleanly moving through our streets. If the Nissan e-NV200 is everywhere in London doing every kind of job then you know this can work in any city with purpose built EVs like an ELM.
There's some work going into using PCMs for extended cold delivery with no onboard refrigeration. It would get cooled at the place it's loaded and then typically only need a fan to recirculate air, much less energy intensive.
He started as a comedian and did a lot of live performance and also did presenting on mainstream TV so I think still has those instincts, also he's married to Australian (who typically don't let you take yourself too seriously)
This is the best TH-cam channel. I can go to to get my EV information. Most of the other podcasts are Tesla shareholder owned. PS kindness is always free the Highlander.
What a great use of space. Hardly bigger than forklifts with minivan capacities. Supermarkets could park them conveniently at charging points inside or outside warehouses. If they design racking system options to eliminate dead space and maximise access for various kinds of loads they could be onto a winner. Insulation is a great idea. It will eliminate final mile cold chain emissions in many cases and you could imagine a heat pump refrigerated version too.
Our Amazon delivery guy in their Merc van that's a walk through body pulls up and gets out by the side sliding door then jumps back in the same way , pulls away touches the brakes to make the sliding door slam shut then of he goes. Automatic sliding and shouting doors are a must have.
Ive worked as a delivery driver for three of the biggest delivery firms with diesel vans… this thing just isnt adequate for the tasks we had. The vans did 120-200ish miles per day, with 80-250 parcels per run. They were driven like a 17 year old would drive a free, rental supercar with a get out of jail free card and an immunity to death spell just to achieve the delivery windows that people expect. Once done with the morning/lunch delivery shift, they would need to be topped up on diesel and straight out again for collections from businesses, where the payload would regularly be "tested" by filling the entire thing (XLWB High top) literally to the roof bars and then a few more jammed in for good measure. It was a massive rush from 2pm-6pm to get all of the packages back so that the night driver could take a stuffed double decker trailer to a distribution centre which then needs to process it and put it on another lorry to have it arrive at the next hub early enough to be out for delivery that same day. These vans get so abused that i think the manufacturer would find great value in using them to research. Probably takes the same amount of time as the usual simulated torture test anyway! Obviously i see some cases where this vehicle is viable, but if a vehicle isnt moving, it aint earning. Having the usual big vans sat around while these kazoo-like ones take three runs to deliver the same amount, whilst needing to top up between trips etc makes no sense as buying both to work part time would be way too expensive and these smaller ones would need to turn up en-masse to do collections. Kei trucks/vans are able to take a couple of pallets, with the same payload and cost a fraction of what an EV would. This van seems to be made entirely for capital cities really, with millions of residents, which i have no experience of so it seems like a very niche market?
Yep. I want EV to work. And I love these bespoke from the bottom up designs. Some of the things like being able to hop in and out quickly are great. But then I see the little buttons and touch screens and I just know they will last a week at most before they stop working. Sometimes I feel these things are designed by someone at a desk with no real idea. You don't need a button to open a sliding door on a van, an old fashioned lever and a spring mechanism will last longer. These van designers need to concentrate on four things. Range, durability, durability and durability.
@@leejohnson3209 button to open a sliding door ??? He opened it with his hand did you not watch the video. The display just told him it was still open when he got back in the vehicle.
@@adus123 the button bit was ...a bit of hyperbole. A bit of hypebole that I used to make a point which I think is valid. The point being, old fashioned switches are proven to work over and over again. Tried and tested.
@@adus123 Wont be needed for what? Even Knightrider couldn't deliver meals on wheels to a pensioner on the 3rd floor of a flat in Preston, in the north of England.
It is irrelevant ref the "decent" thing ... he or she just has to be a competent engineer. It's as if you are claiming some sort of personal relationship. Would that be wise if this project dies at birth?
I suppose having a dedicated delivery person and vehicle for one specific commodity may have made economic sense in the past, but I have serious doubts that it would do so nowadays.
The tires on the prototype are Kumho EcoWing ES31 in 185/60R16. It makes sense that they wanted a low rolling resistance tire, but this model is intended for passenger car service. It only has a load index of 86 (1168 lb, 530 kg), but that may be enough for such a small vehicle.
Unless you drop the temperature of the box first or until the temperature of the box drops it will be warm therefore anything in the box will warm up until it equalises with the box temperature in summer.
The city I live in, most of the delivery vans are now electric, our trash pickup truck/lorry is also electric. When we lived closer to the city center, DHL did deliveries on electric cargo bikes.
The payload part of the vehicle needs to be three or four times as long and it would be perfect! Plus by doing that they could add a huge amount of range with more space under the cargo area for batteries, would be cool to see it come to the U.S. as well!
Love it! Doesn't look very aero but if doing low speed metro deliveries probably doesn't need it. More videos on start up/ common sense prototypes and less on over engineered SUV EV's please. 😉
I find it hard to believe that this vehicle had nothing to do with the collapse of Arrival. Considering their buildings are next to each other and this looks like it’s made of very similar materials to the untrained eye. The back end is also bares a resemblance to their automated taxi concept that turned up during the factory clearance.
An excellent point! I agree with you wholeheartedly on it. Prodrive is predominantly a low volume, hand made performance vehicle manufacturer. Which predominantly use internal combustion engines. Arrival were focused solely on Electric Vehicles for high volume and automated manufacturing. Of the two I think we can agree that a last mile delivery vehicle would be more suited to the latter. I can’t imagine Prodrive even entertaining this as an idea unless they were able to utilise at least some of the talent and equipment that became available after Arrival was shuttered. And if it keeps a handful of talented engineers out of the job centre and creates a new Iconic British made vehicle in the process, more power to them.
@@spacepilot88 as I said, they are completely different companies and philosophies, and nothing like what you think. Prodrive are only one side of this operation, Astheimer have a lot of experience in vehicle development. Arrival designed every last bit from the ground up and tried to do too much, this is completely opposite to the approach that Astheimer and Prodrive took, which was to lean on the supplier base and use their expertise. Just because they are geographically close, doesn't mean they share anything. Yes they may have taken some staff from Arrival, but this is standard in the auto industry people move around. I was at the launch for this vehicle, I have worked with Arrival also along with most UK OEMs as I work on the supplier side of things. The brief of the 2 companies is completely different.
Robert, as a wedding photographer I always had to ask the groom and best man to straighten their jacket pocket flaps, as at least one flap would always be half in and half out every time. Yours seemed to be having a party in this video. It didn't detract from a great video though.
Yes. They covered EAV a few years ago. (light qudricycle), still going and in fact in new premises, with new CEO and designer this year and Arrival (full size e-delivery vans. Who went bust this year after getting type approval.
Snow and winter? And slush and ice. I hope they have included those in their plans. In my area FedEx and UPS both now use EV vans. Things are getting better.
180 parcels are being delivered per year?That sounds a bit high to me. That's a package being delivered every two days! Anyway, these "last mile" vehicles make a lot of sense. Something like this small delivery van would be perfect for delivering mail where large range is not necessary.
Der ELM Elektrik Lokal Meter könnte auch als Roboterfahrzeug ideal sein. Seine Technologie sollte in der Lage sein, die Schnittstelle für Roboterenergie und die Datenmetrik zu unterstützen - eine gute Systemstudie. Allerdings könnte die Aerodynamik noch etwas verfeinert werden.
It's a shame stuff like this doesn't take off. Largely because of the price because always when we find out the price of cool unique tiny made for city vehicles they tend to be quite high because they dont have economies of scale yet. Don't think the video mentioned a price for some reason but Googling says it costs £25,000. It also says its not gonna be delivered until 2028 which I don't think this video mentions either. Reading 2028 killed the hype gained from this video. Why so far? But yeah I'd love for very small vehicles to be common in cities, they're just perfect for it. More quiet too because its lightweight and the wheels against the road will be quieter. Very good visibility so it's safer for pedestrians and cyclists. 50mph is still pretty high considering cities dont really have roads faster than that, even in London if the depot is in London then this thing will never go on a road above 50mph so it doesn't need to go faster. If it stays in inner London then it wont even go on a road above 40mph, and rarely above 30mph even. Just wish it was closer to £15k so it'll sell loads more. But I guess the space saving will be worth a lot for companies. Like if a company can fit 10 of these in their small inner city depot but only 5 normal sized vans then it'll be worth buying these even if they are overpriced because they'll make much more money back by having more.
Refrigeration via a heat pump requires very little power. If it's insulated properly, and designed properly, it will stay cold for much longer. Even carrying a relatively small hopper of dry ice is an efficient and low cost method of keeping frozen goods cold.
It is because it's a quadricycle so it's completely and utterly different to the Canoo which is still technically going but looks very much like it's going to go bust. And by better I mean it's a different product category, because it's not a car or van, operates under different rules and fills a different niche. And what consumers need is vehicles that suit them, not to have to adapt our lives because the only vehicle available is a Canoo and we can use it, but it's massive, expensive, and has a bunch of stuff this vehicle doesn't which immediately makes it useless for most people. For instance, having more seats seems great for breeders and taxi drivers, but most journeys involved one driver and sometimes a passenger. So any more than two seats is silly for lots of vehicles. Really, your own answer will depend on all the criteria you have for 'better'.
Why not cobble up a covered, weather proof pallets and simply drop of an entire load for a single customer in one hit? Granted a bit of engineering required to get pallet off and on the back.
The front wheel compartment looks to get in the way of driver easy getting in and out of the cabin. Really like but Maybe abit more rounded for aerodynamics..
I can't quite believe the hype here. A DPD van is massive, so it can take a large *volume* of generally light delivery boxes full of air and packaging...and I've never had a parcel delivered in a Berlingo sized van. This tiddler can't provide the necessary volume. Why doesn't it have a longer wheelbase for greater volume at relatively small weight increase?
about solar tracking, why not 3d print a two-angle screw gear lock drive solar tracker, and mount each 400w panel up high on a wooden pole. servos, etc should be very cheap, easy and strong enough. can be made of metal too, and be super cheap still. the servos dont need to be strong, because of the screw gear motor ratio and locking.
about needing to do stuff, its not yet solved if some company needs to provide a solution. market is not a solution, its needs to be dissolved. needing to solve problems means they are not yet solved.
Last mile is where I personally see electric vehicles becoming the way of the future, distances are predictable or even very much so exactly known so you can get the most out of the battery and when I say last mile I also think of local distribution centers delivering to supermarkets or other store not just to the actual consumer. Electric still leaves a lot to be desired for outside metropolitan areas here in Australia, I have had a number of conversations now where someone who has an EV will say how much they love it and use it everyday but they are turning to car share providers or not getting rid of the their ICE vehicles because the do enough country/long distance driving that the EV became so impractical they had to keep their second car. No one is denying how good electric cars are but they have a long way to go to be reliable for long distances in varying weather conditions. I will add I think there is an absolutely huge market EV manufacturers are missing, trades people who traditionally don’t travel a long way nut pretty much need power at all times should be a huge money earner as van or a truck/ute could easily be specifically designed to be al,ost a rolling generator/battery pack for them.
Looks like an interesting idea but aiming at a total UK market of less than 1M seems a rather limited market, especially when competing with cargo bikes etc. Are they truly more impressive than arrival? Good on them for trying and I really hope they succeed as we need the city last mile to be fixed but we also need the rural last x miles and this can't do that with a 50 mph limit :(
I have delivered parts of race cars to Prodrive a number of times and it is a magical place for the petrol heads and that is why I am very surprised they came out with this!
Here is the problem when Bobby talks about the US and these kinds of Vehicles. 50Mph which is 80km/h in real numbers... limits it's abilities. Not totally but enough. In the UK Urban Populations are much closer together and generally much larger. Making this kind of vehicle viable and kinda neat. Using Amazon as an example... the nearest distribution centre is 60km via highway with a 110km/h speed limit. That means a Electric Delivery Vehicle needs 200-250km/h in range to do its job (allowing for winter service) I would love to see a Plug In Hybrid vehicle... North America didn't need electric cars the last 15 years... we needed PHEVs It would have allowed the market to grow over time and allow the infrastructure to grow and governments to work with private sectors to make it work better and more reliably When I visit family it is a 360km trip each way on the highway. A hybrid is excellent for that. An EV in the Winter will struggle without a large cost for a big battery at -20C. That is what we still need including for delivery trucks. A PHEV with the ability to operate automatically in EV mode when under 70km/h and and Hybrid mode over 85km/h with 30-40km of EV range is what a Delivery Vehicle needs. But no one wants to build it...
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The experimental vehicles are the best videos. I'd honestly rather see clips about the smaller companies trying to make interesting things than about another crossover SUV.
I second this!
Even when none of them ever make it to market? Can count on one hand the number of EV start ups Fully Charged has covered that made it to full production, or even batch production
@@nomoreheroes93 Personally yes, as I'm interested in what ideas didn't get off the ground as the ones that did
I would have believed you that even if you didnt say "honestly. Honestly.
Amen to that! I was hoping the Canoo Bulldog small pickup would make it!
Wait, a small electric vehicle you can jump in and out of on both sides to do local deliveries? That actually IS like a milk float, and weren't they brilliant for doing exactly that job. ❤️
I was just watching a British "How it's made" show and they had a bit about the electric milk delivery lorries. They showed one that was built back in 1975 that still in operation.
It's amazing how unwittingly eco friendly we were back in the 60's 70's and 80's. Our milk and orange juice delivered by an EV, in glass bottles, that would be taken away by an EV, to be cleaned and re-used. Imagine that!
@@leejohnson3209my milk still gets delivered by an old electric milk float. They just keep trucking on
@@NorburyNewlywed I left the UK ten years ago, but I remember them whining loudly up and down my street in the early morning.
@@bewilderbeestie Yes, we had a neighbor in our street, but he used to whine all day.
Hope this will actually go on sale. We see far too many of these vans that are great designs but never see it to production.
Scams. The start-up gets investors to give them money. They show off a prototype. The higher ups pocket the rest of the money and run. This is why tax evading is one of the most common killers for EV companies. The higher ups want that money for themselves. They don't care about the staff they'll make redundant or the companies that helped them on the way.
Because they never meant to go to production. Them companies just go after government funds. Once they get them they just shut everything down. Legal way to steal tax payer money.
THIS is where the EV concept shines. not video games for adult children manipulating their way around their daily tasks, but "last mile" delivery. low(er) speeds, maneuverability. cheers!
Good video Robert just like the old days, I've missed you doing these types of vlogs.
Dude, I live in North London, and I haven't seen a diesel van making a delivery on our street in a couple of years. DHL, Amazon and DPD all use electric ones already, as do Tesco, Asda, Sainsburys and Waitrose
I live in North London and the most common vehicle is the Mercedes diesel vans. I do see electric vans but that's one in ten. Asda near here has just put in an order for Mercedes EV vans. In December, they're going full EV for deliveries. Even Royal Mail near here has an order for those Hyundai EV vans. They'll all be EV in this area by January. Amazon though, they just put in some orders for diesel vans.
That's great to hear, but here in Norfolk everything is diesel. Hope we see EV vans in the near future because it's a lovely county spoilt by all the ICE vehicles.
@@Joe90V I live in Norwich city centre and am happy to say that Amazon,Royal mail and the double decker buses are now a majority electric. I know that the rural areas (the rest of norfolk) the infrastructure and distance of the vehicles isn’t there yet! Let’s hope our council can get this sorted.
We don’t all live in London dude.
@@nicktruran9413 No, but the point is that E-vans are spreading already. There are plenty here in Cambridge too. In all three classes of full-size vans, heavy quadricycles (like this ELM) and light quadricycles like the EAV. Test towns first, but they will be everywhere soon enough.
As an American sometimes I get a little jealous of all the variety of ev’s you guys have.
And I feel sad for you guys with all the SUVs and Trucks that American companies love to pump out... No one is actually stopping them from making a variety of shapes, sizes and types of vehicles. But they're just addicted to the boxy, shaped like a fridge (and also weighing the same), big fat cars...
Unfortunately conservatives have done their best to undermine America's EV, battery, and alternative energy tech. it's a key reason China is having America for lunch in these sectors. The Chinese went all-in while Trump claims global warming is a hoax, wants to invest in coal and oil, and claims alternate energy tech damages the economy. And million of conservatives bought into this immensely stupid narrative.
Meanwhile China's exploding EV. battery and alternate energy industries have allowed them to become global leaders. Half the cars sold in China today are EVs. They sell them for less money than similarly equipped ICE cars in America. And they are in the process of rolling out super fast chargers that will give 80 percent charge in less than 10 minutes to support the latest generation batteries that also have longer ranges. its a checkmate move on ICE cars.
I’m just sorry you have what you have in your country in general.
As an European I sometimes get a little jealous of all the ev options Chinese have.
@@JGS123WRPTP Why be so rude? Despite what you may think America is an incredibly generous, polite and hard working country in spite of its faults. I'm a Brit by the way.
I hope that sliding door goes back a bit more, or some fork lift driver will fetch the door off with a corner of a pallet taking it off the vehicle.
YES! Seems very cramped for a fork truck to get into accurately.
@@kodak_jack also I don't think pallets are made to such tight tolerances.
Must be why they used a plastic pallet instead of a wooden one.
@@jamesphillips2285there is a standard pallet, called the europallet. Most pallets are made that size. Not necessarily stacked so neatly though!
I get the thought but think of it from a different perspective, a logistics company can make shelving units that fit this exact dimensions then pre pack it and simply remove one unit and replace it and the drive is off. No more loading delivery vans. That would be a MASSIVE cost saving.
I bet there will be a guide built to ensure this issue isn't an issue too.
A significant amount of delivery is already done with electric vans. I work across the street from a DPD last mile depot, and when the vans all swarm out in the morning, I'd say from a wild guess (I didn't count) that about one third of them are electric.
And over in my hometown, logistics companies like DHL and Hermes use large electric assisted cargo bicycles like the Velove Armadillo (available as a rigid truck or as a tractor-trailer combo) for the last mile
I'm in the recently expanded ulez zone and I'd guess about a third of delivery vans are electric here, too.
And when I go to work in the city I see the ebike mini van things every day. Those are really cool.
I'm in Zurich in Switzerland; SwissPost use electric vans; DHL use diesel (if you can count what DHL does as 'use').
Must be exciting potential to optimise the cost value of electrification in the logistics field. If they can increase battery density and get 22kw chargers on board vans like this they may also never need to charge them on DC, outside the home site or outside planned down time for each vehicle, saving even more.
Robert was keen to point out the overall size and volume efficiency and how it 'fits" into the "logistics landscape".
Tesco (UK) use EV Transit size vans but a Transit size van is still a Transit sized van so their virtue is limited to being an EV.
You might recall Robert has presented at least one other "last mile" vehicle in Japan which was "more or less" designed with navigating the backstreets of downtown Tokyo sort of thing.
The logistics lads are developing small form factor vans to enable even chunky goods to be delivered to the door, even down back alleys.
Might even see mini EV dustbin lorries doing a similar job in reverse ...
Thus far we have been treated to episodes on the topic of EV delivery vehicles so no reason such vehicles shouldn't take stuff away.
Food for thought Robert?
An online grocer in the Netherlands, Picnic, uses electric delivery vans that look pretty similar in size and utility. Works perfectly fine in urban environments.
The side panels of the refrigerated section should be large phase change freezer blocks that can be removed and refrozen back at base. The crates have to come out anyway for refill, so treat them like that. Would save huge amounts of energy while on the move.
its not refrigerated, just insulated.
Exciting concept, we need last-mile delivery solutions like this and that Prodrive is included is just a bonus :)
We were on holiday to a family resort where the staff used similar vehicles which allowed them to work in the morning and late at night without waking guests (they used electric tools too) so that'd be another market
We should not forget a lot of "resorts" have been using electric buggies to transport XXXXL sized American golfers along the fairways for some time.
The torque on those motors must be immense.
Its nice to see you back on the case Robert as these new and innovative projects was always my favourite parts of your channel. More please!! Maybe revisiting some of your earlier projects, like community energy sector.
I like this video a lot, thank you. The pace of the video was great - Fully Charged videos can sometimes have painfully long introductions, but this one was great. Well done.
This is a great video. Hope this comes to market. If it’s being made in the uk exactly the type of thing government needs to support. Looking forward to the day our streets aren’t full of diesel fumes.
We already have British-made e-delivery quadricyles: EAV who have been shipping product since 2019. The 3rd-gen is available now, improved with feedback from various delivery companies over the last few years. The German-made Mubea vehicles have become the market-leader in the last couple of years (due to breakage (wheels) on some of the 2nd-gen EAV vehicles.
Fingers crossed 🤞 for ELM !!
From France 🇫🇷
Big advantage of tiny vans is making it easier to tuck the thing at the side of the road when making a drop, as anyone who's had to stop in front of a terrace house will know.
We had so much hope for the German Xbus from Electricbrands. Also based on the L7e platform.
They had the completely working and finished end products, the distribution network . . . were ready for mass production at VDL Nedcar in Netherlands . . . . but lacked the starting capital for it.
Likewise with Arrival here, vans and busses licensed and custoemers lined up but it just never got going.
Sounds like a solution we need. Keep growing ELM.
So much better than ice vans , one stopped down the road the other day , driver sat in it for 30 mins and had his lunch with the engine turned on chucking out its fumes , brilliant, Not 😡😊👍
Totally agree! 👍 we just had roadworks going on by our rural property repairing a slip. The traffic management guys were sitting there every night for 7 weeks with their diesel trucks running all night long just to keep the lights on and the heater going. We're used to clean air in the countryside so the stench of hot diesel engine and the noise of the engine and the fan constantly running all night drove us nuts! An ev van would have been way better for everyone, not to mention the rate payers too!
You mean ice cream vans?
@@johndillon3689 no it was ordinary delivery white van man , just to lazy to turn it off 😡😡
I prefer this content over cars. There are so many ways ICE are used in our daily lives, improving deliveries very vehicles is imperative to our health.
It's a Prodrive so...will they do a version in royal blue with gold wheels and a massive rear spoiler?
If so, Jack's on the way.
no they will do a really advanced complicated prototype and then drop everything... thats the prodrive way
@@LoneWolf-wp9dn exactly, once they get government funding for green innovative technology, this thing will be a history.
@@ev-olution8597Your opinion.
@@Mr.Monta77 No, it's my experience. Been involved in three such projects (some of them even appeared on Fully Charged), which gone bust as soon as they got funding and it was all spent without producing final product. Unfortunately this is new legal way to get your tax money in return of nothingness ;) Now UK is funding planting trees. Same thing, I know company who got funding and planting trees where they will need to be cut down in few years due to being too close to the road. Unfortunately, everything is corrupt these days. Just some people pretend to not see this, because this would hurt their feelings and their believes.
@@ev-olution8597 I reject your claims.
I can't wait until the day these kinds of vehicles are eveywhere quietly, cleanly moving through our streets. If the Nissan e-NV200 is everywhere in London doing every kind of job then you know this can work in any city with purpose built EVs like an ELM.
Yes! This is exactly what is needed, and right away, please! 💛⚡
Pro drive! Absolute engineering demons that’s who we want on the EV transition job
There's some work going into using PCMs for extended cold delivery with no onboard refrigeration. It would get cooled at the place it's loaded and then typically only need a fan to recirculate air, much less energy intensive.
It’s crazy how funny you can be while keeping it real.
What but was him being funny?
He started as a comedian and did a lot of live performance and also did presenting on mainstream TV so I think still has those instincts, also he's married to Australian (who typically don't let you take yourself too seriously)
Try Transport Evolved
@@backacheache Right, I’m aware of his comedic acting chops, but didn’t see him being comedic in this particular video?
@@GingerPiston it's more of an instinct of keeping the audience engaged rather jokes (if it were me they'd quickly be turning off!)
This is the best TH-cam channel. I can go to to get my EV information. Most of the other podcasts are Tesla shareholder owned. PS kindness is always free the Highlander.
So, a quadricycle delivery van. Cool! Looks like slightly larger variant of what the mailmen use around here.
What a great use of space. Hardly bigger than forklifts with minivan capacities. Supermarkets could park them conveniently at charging points inside or outside warehouses. If they design racking system options to eliminate dead space and maximise access for various kinds of loads they could be onto a winner. Insulation is a great idea. It will eliminate final mile cold chain emissions in many cases and you could imagine a heat pump refrigerated version too.
Our Amazon delivery guy in their Merc van that's a walk through body pulls up and gets out by the side sliding door then jumps back in the same way , pulls away touches the brakes to make the sliding door slam shut then of he goes. Automatic sliding and shouting doors are a must have.
Nice idea depending on range could be useful for the post office add a roof over space could add more room for small house moves.
Ive worked as a delivery driver for three of the biggest delivery firms with diesel vans… this thing just isnt adequate for the tasks we had. The vans did 120-200ish miles per day, with 80-250 parcels per run. They were driven like a 17 year old would drive a free, rental supercar with a get out of jail free card and an immunity to death spell just to achieve the delivery windows that people expect. Once done with the morning/lunch delivery shift, they would need to be topped up on diesel and straight out again for collections from businesses, where the payload would regularly be "tested" by filling the entire thing (XLWB High top) literally to the roof bars and then a few more jammed in for good measure. It was a massive rush from 2pm-6pm to get all of the packages back so that the night driver could take a stuffed double decker trailer to a distribution centre which then needs to process it and put it on another lorry to have it arrive at the next hub early enough to be out for delivery that same day. These vans get so abused that i think the manufacturer would find great value in using them to research. Probably takes the same amount of time as the usual simulated torture test anyway! Obviously i see some cases where this vehicle is viable, but if a vehicle isnt moving, it aint earning. Having the usual big vans sat around while these kazoo-like ones take three runs to deliver the same amount, whilst needing to top up between trips etc makes no sense as buying both to work part time would be way too expensive and these smaller ones would need to turn up en-masse to do collections. Kei trucks/vans are able to take a couple of pallets, with the same payload and cost a fraction of what an EV would. This van seems to be made entirely for capital cities really, with millions of residents, which i have no experience of so it seems like a very niche market?
Yep. I want EV to work. And I love these bespoke from the bottom up designs. Some of the things like being able to hop in and out quickly are great. But then I see the little buttons and touch screens and I just know they will last a week at most before they stop working. Sometimes I feel these things are designed by someone at a desk with no real idea.
You don't need a button to open a sliding door on a van, an old fashioned lever and a spring mechanism will last longer. These van designers need to concentrate on four things. Range, durability, durability and durability.
Don't worry the next leap in technology will be self-driving vans Problem solved You won't be needed.
@@leejohnson3209 button to open a sliding door ??? He opened it with his hand did you not watch the video. The display just told him it was still open when he got back in the vehicle.
@@adus123 the button bit was ...a bit of hyperbole. A bit of hypebole that I used to make a point which I think is valid. The point being, old fashioned switches are proven to work over and over again. Tried and tested.
@@adus123 Wont be needed for what? Even Knightrider couldn't deliver meals on wheels to a pensioner on the 3rd floor of a flat in Preston, in the north of England.
Classic Fully Charged Show! Love it.
Cheers Robert and the team
Will the export brand be ELKm?
Why not just the ELK. Trees and animals
Good luck. Hope it’s a screaming success. I want to see it state side some day soon.
Their Chief electrical engineer is a really decent guy too, big fan of Elm and will be keen to see how they get on.
It is irrelevant ref the "decent" thing ... he or she just has to be a competent engineer.
It's as if you are claiming some sort of personal relationship.
Would that be wise if this project dies at birth?
What incredible intelligent design !
I saw this on a Japanese anime a few times back in the 90s 😀
Maybe the milkman can make a comeback.
I suppose having a dedicated delivery person and vehicle for one specific commodity may have made economic sense in the past, but I have serious doubts that it would do so nowadays.
I wonder... .....
Reminds me of the bin vans that collect recycling and our waste but a mini version of it.
The tires on the prototype are Kumho EcoWing ES31 in 185/60R16. It makes sense that they wanted a low rolling resistance tire, but this model is intended for passenger car service. It only has a load index of 86 (1168 lb, 530 kg), but that may be enough for such a small vehicle.
I'd like one of those, please! 😊
Unless you drop the temperature of the box first or until the temperature of the box drops it will be warm therefore anything in the box will warm up until it equalises with the box temperature in summer.
Fully Charged Show, Subscribed because your videos are always awesome!
The city I live in, most of the delivery vans are now electric, our trash pickup truck/lorry is also electric. When we lived closer to the city center, DHL did deliveries on electric cargo bikes.
Wow, which city?
I saw something very similar to this in Cambridge this week run by UPS. I thought then, how clever!
The payload part of the vehicle needs to be three or four times as long and it would be perfect! Plus by doing that they could add a huge amount of range with more space under the cargo area for batteries, would be cool to see it come to the U.S. as well!
Love it! Doesn't look very aero but if doing low speed metro deliveries probably doesn't need it.
More videos on start up/ common sense prototypes and less on over engineered SUV EV's please. 😉
Looks great!
I find it hard to believe that this vehicle had nothing to do with the collapse of Arrival. Considering their buildings are next to each other and this looks like it’s made of very similar materials to the untrained eye. The back end is also bares a resemblance to their automated taxi concept that turned up during the factory clearance.
Completely different companies and philosophies
An excellent point! I agree with you wholeheartedly on it. Prodrive is predominantly a low volume, hand made performance vehicle manufacturer. Which predominantly use internal combustion engines. Arrival were focused solely on Electric Vehicles for high volume and automated manufacturing. Of the two I think we can agree that a last mile delivery vehicle would be more suited to the latter. I can’t imagine Prodrive even entertaining this as an idea unless they were able to utilise at least some of the talent and equipment that became available after Arrival was shuttered. And if it keeps a handful of talented engineers out of the job centre and creates a new Iconic British made vehicle in the process, more power to them.
@@spacepilot88 as I said, they are completely different companies and philosophies, and nothing like what you think. Prodrive are only one side of this operation, Astheimer have a lot of experience in vehicle development. Arrival designed every last bit from the ground up and tried to do too much, this is completely opposite to the approach that Astheimer and Prodrive took, which was to lean on the supplier base and use their expertise. Just because they are geographically close, doesn't mean they share anything. Yes they may have taken some staff from Arrival, but this is standard in the auto industry people move around.
I was at the launch for this vehicle, I have worked with Arrival also along with most UK OEMs as I work on the supplier side of things. The brief of the 2 companies is completely different.
Cargo E-Bikes are already widely used in some European countries. Seems like they are a cheaper more accessible solution for last mile delivery.
Robert, as a wedding photographer I always had to ask the groom and best man to straighten their jacket pocket flaps, as at least one flap would always be half in and half out every time. Yours seemed to be having a party in this video. It didn't detract from a great video though.
As an ex-delivery driver. That front wheel placement will become a leg knocker on multi drop deliveries
Darn it! That was my mini sub idea!
Thanks
Gotta be cheaper than running a diesel van. Great video
Fabulous 👏👏👏
MAKE IT!! I’ll be a delivery driver!
This vehicle would be perfect for U.S. Mail delivery.
I hope this goes into production
That is properly good - finger crossed
looking forward to new Red Dwarf !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We are slowly moving in the right direction. Let's get this moving.
Hopefully we can see more of these (wasn't there a UK thing similar to the Rivian/Amazon delivery vehicle on the channel before?)
The channel has covered over a dozen delivery vans of various sizes over the years.
Yes. They covered EAV a few years ago. (light qudricycle), still going and in fact in new premises, with new CEO and designer this year and Arrival (full size e-delivery vans. Who went bust this year after getting type approval.
Looks like what the guild navigator in Dune travelled in. 😂 (It’s cool, though!)
NZ Post has been using the Paxster EV from Norway for mail/package delivery since 2015
“All” being delivered in diesel vans? Royal Mail and DPD raise an eyebrow at that assertion
@@thenerd6192 and "milk and more" who use their ev's quiet running to deliver milk to homes all through the night
Cool vehicle! Should do well!
Even cooler though… Robert’s shoes!!!!
Which brand are they?!?!
Snow and winter? And slush and ice. I hope they have included those in their plans.
In my area FedEx and UPS both now use EV vans. Things are getting better.
I love hearing a Brit say _"No left or right-hand drive nonsense"._
HAHA i still remember rob from the show scrap heap challenge :)
180 parcels are being delivered per year?That sounds a bit high to me. That's a package being delivered every two days! Anyway, these "last mile" vehicles make a lot of sense. Something like this small delivery van would be perfect for delivering mail where large range is not necessary.
yeah, some people like me are bringing up that average.
@@katelights Ha! Shop-a-holic, eh?
Der ELM Elektrik Lokal Meter könnte auch als Roboterfahrzeug ideal sein. Seine Technologie sollte in der Lage sein, die Schnittstelle für Roboterenergie und die Datenmetrik zu unterstützen - eine gute Systemstudie. Allerdings könnte die Aerodynamik noch etwas verfeinert werden.
It's a shame stuff like this doesn't take off. Largely because of the price because always when we find out the price of cool unique tiny made for city vehicles they tend to be quite high because they dont have economies of scale yet. Don't think the video mentioned a price for some reason but Googling says it costs £25,000. It also says its not gonna be delivered until 2028 which I don't think this video mentions either. Reading 2028 killed the hype gained from this video. Why so far?
But yeah I'd love for very small vehicles to be common in cities, they're just perfect for it. More quiet too because its lightweight and the wheels against the road will be quieter. Very good visibility so it's safer for pedestrians and cyclists. 50mph is still pretty high considering cities dont really have roads faster than that, even in London if the depot is in London then this thing will never go on a road above 50mph so it doesn't need to go faster. If it stays in inner London then it wont even go on a road above 40mph, and rarely above 30mph even. Just wish it was closer to £15k so it'll sell loads more. But I guess the space saving will be worth a lot for companies. Like if a company can fit 10 of these in their small inner city depot but only 5 normal sized vans then it'll be worth buying these even if they are overpriced because they'll make much more money back by having more.
Refrigeration via a heat pump requires very little power. If it's insulated properly, and designed properly, it will stay cold for much longer. Even carrying a relatively small hopper of dry ice is an efficient and low cost method of keeping frozen goods cold.
Loving the vehicle though! Thanks Robert and team!
Similar but simpler vehicles are already in use in Austria. The Jumug CargoScooter doesn't even have doors
very cool!
I own a 14 year old Mitsubishi Minicab Miev EV van, it was an ex-delivery van in Kyoto. Nothing new here.
Looks like a lot of thought went into it (apart from the very flimsy door) but more thought needs to go into the name I think, 'Elm' is rather clumsy.
An electric toy truck. I'm not surprised
😂😂😂
Well try getting a Transit along your back alley.
You'd soon prefer a "toy truck" ... err ... so I'm told.
Is it any better than the Canoo? That have been presented twice on the Fully Charged Show :)
It is because it's a quadricycle so it's completely and utterly different to the Canoo which is still technically going but looks very much like it's going to go bust. And by better I mean it's a different product category, because it's not a car or van, operates under different rules and fills a different niche. And what consumers need is vehicles that suit them, not to have to adapt our lives because the only vehicle available is a Canoo and we can use it, but it's massive, expensive, and has a bunch of stuff this vehicle doesn't which immediately makes it useless for most people. For instance, having more seats seems great for breeders and taxi drivers, but most journeys involved one driver and sometimes a passenger. So any more than two seats is silly for lots of vehicles. Really, your own answer will depend on all the criteria you have for 'better'.
This is the future
Better than rhe renault prototype unveiled at Hanover's summit
They're located nextdoor to the former arrival factory. Let's hope theirs makes the cut
An interchangeable back end storage unit would improve turnaround times at the warehouse.
Why not cobble up a covered, weather proof pallets and simply drop of an entire load for a single customer in one hit?
Granted a bit of engineering required to get pallet off and on the back.
Wonder if they could get the USPS to go for it, lol, the trucks we use now get like 9mpg. and stink up the place, lol.
They missed the forks off the front 😆
The front wheel compartment looks to get in the way of driver easy getting in and out of the cabin. Really like but Maybe abit more rounded for aerodynamics..
Designers are living in the present, but manufacturing processes are decades behind
I can't quite believe the hype here. A DPD van is massive, so it can take a large *volume* of generally light delivery boxes full of air and packaging...and I've never had a parcel delivered in a Berlingo sized van. This tiddler can't provide the necessary volume. Why doesn't it have a longer wheelbase for greater volume at relatively small weight increase?
about solar tracking, why not 3d print a two-angle screw gear lock drive solar tracker, and mount each 400w panel up high on a wooden pole. servos, etc should be very cheap, easy and strong enough. can be made of metal too, and be super cheap still. the servos dont need to be strong, because of the screw gear motor ratio and locking.
about needing to do stuff, its not yet solved if some company needs to provide a solution. market is not a solution, its needs to be dissolved. needing to solve problems means they are not yet solved.
Last mile is where I personally see electric vehicles becoming the way of the future, distances are predictable or even very much so exactly known so you can get the most out of the battery and when I say last mile I also think of local distribution centers delivering to supermarkets or other store not just to the actual consumer. Electric still leaves a lot to be desired for outside metropolitan areas here in Australia, I have had a number of conversations now where someone who has an EV will say how much they love it and use it everyday but they are turning to car share providers or not getting rid of the their ICE vehicles because the do enough country/long distance driving that the EV became so impractical they had to keep their second car. No one is denying how good electric cars are but they have a long way to go to be reliable for long distances in varying weather conditions. I will add I think there is an absolutely huge market EV manufacturers are missing, trades people who traditionally don’t travel a long way nut pretty much need power at all times should be a huge money earner as van or a truck/ute could easily be specifically designed to be al,ost a rolling generator/battery pack for them.
Looks like an interesting idea but aiming at a total UK market of less than 1M seems a rather limited market, especially when competing with cargo bikes etc. Are they truly more impressive than arrival? Good on them for trying and I really hope they succeed as we need the city last mile to be fixed but we also need the rural last x miles and this can't do that with a 50 mph limit :(
Predicted price at 25k is the real selling point. I was thinking this was going to be 60k so pleasantly surprised.
That door for the pallet loading is going to get the sh!!t kicked out of it
I have delivered parts of race cars to Prodrive a number of times and it is a magical place for the petrol heads and that is why I am very surprised they came out with this!
Here is the problem when Bobby talks about the US and these kinds of Vehicles.
50Mph which is 80km/h in real numbers... limits it's abilities. Not totally but enough. In the UK Urban Populations are much closer together and generally much larger. Making this kind of vehicle viable and kinda neat.
Using Amazon as an example... the nearest distribution centre is 60km via highway with a 110km/h speed limit. That means a Electric Delivery Vehicle needs 200-250km/h in range to do its job (allowing for winter service)
I would love to see a Plug In Hybrid vehicle...
North America didn't need electric cars the last 15 years... we needed PHEVs It would have allowed the market to grow over time and allow the infrastructure to grow and governments to work with private sectors to make it work better and more reliably
When I visit family it is a 360km trip each way on the highway. A hybrid is excellent for that. An EV in the Winter will struggle without a large cost for a big battery at -20C.
That is what we still need including for delivery trucks. A PHEV with the ability to operate automatically in EV mode when under 70km/h and and Hybrid mode over 85km/h with 30-40km of EV range is what a Delivery Vehicle needs.
But no one wants to build it...