Trickstuff speaking: There are two reasons for the different feel of the Shiguras: 1. Magura calipers have 22 mm big pistons, whereas the Ultegras have 21 mm. This results in a more powerful hydraulic ratio of the brake system, which expands the caliper more. (Both the Shimano and Magura calipers are well designed and very stiff). But the higher ratio results in a more elastic feel. 2. Magura hoses are good, Shimano hoses are very good. Therefor the Magura hoses expand wider under high pressure, which also results in a more elastic lever feel. My personal opinion: Please undo those horrible, cheap looking colored rings in the Magura calipers. These calipers look great WITHOUT those rings...
These brakes to me are great, absolute love them, give the bike some flare and feels different to me in the best way possible..... hopefully you guys all enjoy and if you have any questions about how to do this let me know down below. (also sorry Chris Froome for the unflattering picture)
Did this on my gravel bike with grx levers and hope rx4+ calipers, which are even flashier, have more stopping power and meant to be on a road bike from the manufacturer. Only downside is that they have noticeably less clearance from the Shimano rotors than the 9200 calipers I eventually replaced them with
When I did this job, I cut the head off a scew and ground that end to a point. Then, I used the screw to connect the two hoses, put a couple of wraps of electrical tape around the joint and used the old hose to pull the new hose through. It
This is something I’ve been wanting to do for my road bikes for awhile now. My mountain bikes and my tricked out flat bar commuter all run Magura and they feel so great.
Awesome run through of this mod. Have both Shimano and Campagnolo (made by Magura) disc brake bikes. Can confirm, it’s night and day performance. Shimano is OK, by all means. But Campagnolo brakes so much smoother.
@Roland Rides Can you please explain a bit more I am trying to get information about brifters and rim brakes could you please let me know why it won't work
From what I have seen online you can mix flat bar components from magura and shimano and dropbar shifters from shimano with magura disc calipers but can you use shimano drop bar with magura rim brakes and if so why or why not. Any help or advice would be appreciated so much. I am doing a retro build on an old klein pulse 2 and if I can use GRX with magura rim brakes
I never don’t stop. I ride rim in wet Carbon hoops cheap carbon pads. Summer bike same. But Expensive pads. I go faster summer. Rim was epic for years. And still is. Rim is effective. High end Shimano.
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Because everyone knows that you cannot mix Shimano, SRAM or Campagnolo on the same bike. 3rd party brands like Magura, Look, Speedplay, Time, etc. are acceptable 😜
i've recently built the ULTIMATE frankenbrakes on my MTB: shimano SLX levers, magura MT5-ESTOP 4-pots calipers, sram HS2 rotors, trickstuff bionol oil, galfer ebike brake pads. and MAN they're strong and reliable. best brake ever, probably even too much power, very nice lever feel, and quite affordable too, compared to other brakes with comparable brake power. if you want to improve your current setup, try sram HS2 rotors: more thermal mass, less lever throw, a bit more modulation. try!
Great Video GC. Soooo latest generation Shimano hydraulic brakes have more clearance than previous generation. (8000 / 9100). Do you think these have more clearance again?
yes they do have bigger clearance, for the maguras they do not have as big of clearance but still more then the previous generation of shimano and no issues adjusting
His mechanic said it used to take him 4 f hours to build a bike. 🤦♂️ I said this on Froom’s bike when he was shitting on disc brakes. the reason he hates disc brakes is because his mechanic refuses to learn how to work on disc brakes… I don’t blame him, how f hard is to set up a rim brake bike. I can set up a full build including servicing every bearing on a rim brake less than 90 minutes. As far as these magura brakes I am really really curious how you feel about them after you ride a little. Personally I think less than 180mm it’s completely pointless to have these brakes. I just worry that you don’t have any downhills, so your review might be unrealistic. Still this is awesome content.
lmao I understand the mechanic but working on these all day they should get a rhythm of things, but also man I dont get this and why people say this.... but a 140mm hydraulic disc positioned at the center of a wheel hub is going to have way better stopping power then a rim brake any day out the year 10/10 times, I never got that when people are like im scared im not gonna have enough brake power going down my hills I live around..... like literally 10 years ago people were bombing those hills with carbon brake pads on rim brakes with a simple cable...... a 140mm hydraulic disc will have way more stopping power then a rim brake prove me wrong
@@GCPerformance18 don’t think like that…. rim brake tech was what we had, that’s what we used, that’s what we perfected. Personally direct mount rim brakes are good enough but who cares what I think. The point with disc brakes is that I can give a disc brake bike to any new rider and they will feel way more confident on any downhill with disc brakes. I do want to remind you that living in Florida you guys are completely spoiled with those flats. Tell me this how can my 240 pound “dentist”customer take a selfie with one hand with golden gate in the background or Alcatraz going down hawk hill at min 8% or in same cases 20% in SF with rim brakes… no way!!! 😜 here is a quick story for you; I had to pick up my friend going down famous Mount Diablo in Northern California on his just purchased super six 2013 women’s edition rim brake( I love that bike), as I was driving down he said everyone that is going down safe had a disc bike, I must buy a disc brake bike, just as he said that a guy with sl6 rim brake passed us as if we were stoped… his repose was just watch he will die…. lol my friend rides for about 2 years he had made make 200miles total.
@@bendardania “Direct mount rim brakes are good enough” Lol dude, “good enough” hardly sounds like a product perfected. It literally means that even in its best form, it’s still fails to excel in its task of shedding speed. The most you could ask of it is to just hope that it works lol.
I didn’t think I had to explain what I meant since sl6 direct mount it’s pretty self explanatory. Jus to give you some context I have been fighting “Australian experts” for about 4 years now on TH-cam how we should move to disc. But I always say if you don’t mind and you are not supper heavy, you can find a sick rim brake bike for a fraction of a disc bike.
I noticed that disc brakes are just good to gather content for TH-cam , everyone talk about it but not many likes it . Now that you have installed a mtb calippers your bike became more of a gravel bike . #keepgraveling👌
Fitted some Campagnolo Super Record brakes last week for the first time and these are very similar (possibly the same caliper) and have th agree the feel is amazing. Like you say the brake bit and feel like you can squeeze them just like a rim brake. Super powerful from the first test ride as well. I'd definitely consider the for one of my peesonal bikes.
Hello, I wanted to ask you a question about the video which mineral oil did you use for the brakes, the one from Shimano (Red) or the one from Magura (Blue)?
Question: I've installed several Shimano hydro hoses with new barb/olive myself and i've never pre-installed the olive and tightened up the nut and THEN put the hose in... I've always slid the nut up the hose, slid the olive on, then pushed the hose in and tightened... Any advantages to your way? Cheers
it jsut holds the olive in place so you odnt have to worry about it clamping the olive in the wrong spot if you dont have the cable pushed in all the way, just easier for me, its similar method to sram where the olive is like threaded on to the end of the line
I did not check the technical specs but are the pistons bigger than shimano? a bigger piston will led to a bit more lever way and not that instant ultra-snappy on/off feel. also, in my opinion, the pad material makes a big difference in terms how a brake feels. sintered pads always feel "harder" like hitting a wall where organic ones are a bit more squishy. after all its always a personal opinion what works best :)
How is that mirror saddle working for you?, those look like carbon rails what’s your experience with its durability I am thinking of getting one but am concerned as xc mountain biker that I might be to heavy for it at a weight of 195 and looking to use on my xc mtb, Also love my magura breaks enjoy yours
I am 200lbs and I have no issues at all.. I have always rode carbon rails, if you are running mountain bike setup get the new mirror pro saddle that its the same seat tech just with titanium rails and plastic body so no worries of breaking and still same comfort
is there any chance i can just crimp on the magura fitting to the caliper side of the hydraulic line? i just built my bike and im not re running any cables. i do have a good amount if slack and the shimano cutting/crimping tool…
Before anyone decides to try, please be aware of the mount. Some of ur shops might not carry a flat mount suitable for road bike which would need a adapter which would then really ugly. So make sure if u buy online, know which mount the magura are for
I took a quick glance at the Magura MT4s and the MT8 SLs and it seems like the difference between the two is in the lever. There is a possibility that you could have saved some money by opting for the MT4s since you're ditching the levers anyway.
@@GCPerformance18 will do. Waiting on the parts for that ... From looking at the wheeltop parts, the olives look identical to the sram ones. What do you reckon ? Magura hose (the one with the barb) with magura pin and sram olive should be a perfect fit ? Or does it not really matter as it will get crushed ?
Question: Why do you set up the levers like they come from the factory with the olive in the lever instead of just putting everything on the cable and then tightening down? It seems like more work to line up the barb internally? Genuine question
there has been times when I have done it that way that the hose slipped out a little and when crushing the olive, it didnt connect well, where as this way I can shove the hose in there firm feel it bottom out, and know the olive is not moving anywhere
I am trying to do the same thing but have a question. Do you have to use air to pump out the original oil before you disconnect the hoses from the shifters?
nope the fluid is the same so you can just connect, if you are careful enough during the reconnect then there should not be an issue if not then a re bleed is required
@@GCPerformance18 Thank you! These are great videos. I was thinking of using the magura royal blood instead of the original fluid so I'm asking the question. In that case I think I should bleed out the shimano oil and wash my shifters with royal blood first. I'm just a bit concerned about this process.
hi, i have magura mt trail double piston brakes and i was using avid 180 hayes 203 as disc. I bought a shimano xtr rt mt 905 ice tech disc, but my brakes aren't holding the way they used to. Should I use organic or metallic? Which one do you think is not compatible?
I can confirm that these calipers also work on Campagnolo groups. In fact, I got the original Chorus calipers too and the pistons in the Chorus caliper are absolutely identical with the Maguras. They even have the same magnetic pad retention as the Maguras and you can use Magura pads. Makes sense, since Magura supplied parts for Campy's 1st Gen disc brakes. I paired these calipers with Campy Ekar gravel brifters and it works fine. Super powerful. All you need is an adapter, since these calipers have banjo fittings. I used Magura Royal Blood fluid. No issues.
@@driventomadness117 What I mean is that you need the banjo fittings to connect the Magura calipers with the brake line. I bought my callipers used so I had to source those separately from Magura. GC had these already since he bought the whole brake set.
I'm SO HAPPY i ride a colnago V3rs RIM BRAKE which weighs 6.7 kilos its super responsive, light,agile fantastic up hill, when test riding the disk version wowwww the difference is huge the rim is way faster easier to live with, none of this faffing about with disk brake nonsense unfortunately we ate governd by men in grey suits who think about 💰💰💰💰Disk are great for gravel,MTB and commuting but no way for road, and Chris Froome still hates disk brake. People Keep hold of your rim brakes they will be worth a fortune very soon.
Magura designed disc brakes for Campagnolo groupsets, that's why there are much better then Shimano and Sram... The issues is with thickness of rotors 1.8mm Shimana, but Magura is 2mm... Also you can buy calipers only, which costs 50-70Euro each, (plus separately a brake hose).
I've seriously considered putting the Hope RX4 calipers on my gravel bike. I've read they can be a bit of a pain to set up initially but are awesome once they are. Do you have any experience with the Hope brakes?
I've got rx4 on my road bike. They brake well I think better than my Shimano did but they are a little bit trickier. You want nice straight rotors there's not a big clearance but older Shimano didn't have much either. The hope rx4 calipers are very light lighter than dura ace I believe
I jsut got a pair sent to me, I will be doing those on my new bike but for now I love this setup with maguras and these will be my main until this bike runs its course
These calipers really look great. I have a question concerning the compatible rotors. According to the specification the mt8 sl fm is compatible with 180mm rotors. However, since these are mtb calipers i wonder if this is also the case for gravel or road bike forks without a additional adapter?
no, these rotors for flat mount without adapters would be 140, as you see the back on has no adapter and its 140mm and the front i am using the existing shimano adapter for 160mm rotor
Hi~just wondering about the rotor size for front and rear. It seems like the min size is 160mm according to the official site….would like to know if it could fit 140mm
i put on my kenevo sl shigura and i didn't like it. Then i put XT on and it's just perfect. On road bikes new Shimano disc brakes are perfect. Braking will be same as full Shimano, but spongy.
Take it for ride over a proper distance and review it when the pads are properly bedded in. I'm curious how this would work on a steep decent . I'm wondering how it would feel on 2 different rides on the same route. 1 ride with a shimano mineral oil bleed and then with a royal blood bleed on the brakes
wont change anything, just different color mineral oil, finish line makes a green mineral oil, royal blood is blue, and honestly right now those brake lines are filled with royal blood and my shifter levers are filled with red shimano mineral oil
I'm not doubting they are both mineral oil. What I would be keen to see would be the difference between the performance of both. Shimano are not very forthcoming about the complete technical specification of their mineral oil. I believe from what I have read that both royal blood and shimano mineral oil don't share the same boiling point. Are they the same weight and viscosity? I'm wondering if some of the feel at the lever is partially down to the type of mineral oil used.
I’m considering replacing my Ultegra hydraulic disc brakes. I had been looking at the Hope RX4+ which look really cool. This is another option for me to consider. Do I need to get the frame faced where the calipers bolt on or at least checked before I upgrade?
Mdr-p is also 2 mm WYYY max thickness magura mt5 e-stop must be 1,8 thickness. it says in manual what rotor is 1.8 mm ??? on there site it sayd i could use mt5 e-stop with storm hc rotor, but now they slip against the rotor, :( i need a 203, 1.8mm thick, were can i get 1 ? because in the manual it says max 1.8 thickness rotor.
I jsut got a pair of hope rx4 sent to me, I am putting them on my next build I will let you know but for right now the magura are heaven to me, I have no reason to change anything on my bike
I had a little trouble getting this delivered th-cam.com/users/postUgkxn_jUDSlprMIeubd9rHdEAnv59nKfjcKv and eventually had to pick it up from local UPS location, but customer service was really nice and helped me get it before the estimated delivery date. They even gave me a partial refund for my trouble. Thanks Paige! The actual bicycle is just as advertised, and had no damage or scratches. This is an excellent commuter bike for most people. I did a few modifications to make it even better for me personally. I added fenders from my old bicycle. They weren't for disc brakes, but after adding longer bolts and about an inch of spacers the supports no longer interfered with the brakes. I like to pedal HARD and go FAST, so I switched the chain rings to Vuelta Corsa Pro Crankset, Black, 175mm 53/39T Square Taper. This has longer crank arms too, so its kind of 2 upgrades in 1. The front derailleur had to be readjusted so it would stay on only the 2 chain rings until I get a different shifter. I also switched the cassette to one with 11T high gear and a larger low gear. With larger gears on the front and back I also had to get a longer chain. I probably couldn't race this bike unless i got a different cassette with gears closer in size relative to each other, but I can still go plenty fast on flats and downhill while still being able to climb steep hills. For going to and from work and the grocery store this is a great bike. It even looks good. I also added a rear rack and panniers for grocery trips. Now it has great storage capacity especially paired with a backpack. Very happy with my purchase.
That seems like a sick brake set-up. It's always fun to experiment with mix and match components. You'd think all components would need to be brand matched, but you don't know what will work best for your own personal style til you try. Props to you for that. Off topic question...when you change/remove your bar tape to work on your bike, do you re-tape w/ new bar tape or do you re-use the same tape that you took off your bars? Asking for a friend. :)
:)) thanks so much for the comment, I usualy use new bar tape honestly, if it is somewhat new I will try to savage it like in this point..... if the tape is on there for too long it gets use to the shape and i hate trying to re tape it exactly how it was it usually never works out
@@GCPerformance18 thanks for reply. I was thinking of doing some adjustments that require bar tape removal and debating whether to just get new tape or try and re-tape with existing. It’s honestly not that worn but I know removing it, sometimes it never settles the same as after a new wrap. Maybe I’ll get new tape, just in case, and see if I can re-use existing and just have a stand-by wrap if the old tape doesn’t work out. 👍🏽
Again quality video great insight to what the top pros are using why not us mere mortals if it is good enough for top pros. like mix and match road and mountain biking parts just shows how great cycling is that we will experiment and see how it goes they do look sick 🤘🤙
@@markwaterman3683 ye I would presume that both front and rear calipers will be the same they do look slick I've looked at them on a couple of websites depending on what website you look on the prices are around about £50/60 less give or take definitely gonna buy a set of these calipers next paycheck I reckon
Shigura doesn’t have to be expensive like Evan was insinuating, it’s his fault he decided to use XTR levers and the highest end Magura calipers. If you use cheaper parts from both brands, you’d get the same benefits even with a Deore lever and MT5 calipers, the price becomes much more reasonable
I don’t understand how calipers can feel different. Doesn’t the fluid flow at the same rate and pressure no matter the shape? I’d think only the brake lever could affect the feel.
The caliper's construction can make a difference. Two-piece calipers flex more than one-piece units. I once pulled a brake lever hooked to a fully bled Ultegra BR-R8070 (bleed block still installed) hard and I can feel the caliper trying to spread itself open. I haven't gotten the chance to try the same thing with one-piece calipers yet.
Get your hands on the Hope RX4's. Super sexy brakes. I would get the MT8 SL's but they don't sell the calipers separately. Which barb did you use btw? I think I read there's 2 sizes that shimano makes for road.
These brakes are dope ! You should do a video with the Hope rx4, I have those on my gravel bike and honestly they rock ! Check them out. They make both Dot and mineral.
GC lives in Florida where I live. Disc brakes are like tits on a bull. There is no descending. I built a 40 mph Specialized Aluminum Allez road bike with 1700 watt mid drive motor with Ultegra Rim brakes. Can lock both wheels up. Great modulation. Maybe a benefit of disc brakes in the Alps. Not in Florida. An entertaining video however and informative how to install new disc calipers on a SL7. If I owned and I do own a disc brake bike and the brakes didn't rub? I would NEVER change the brakes. Any decent cyclist can adjust to brake modulation...same with a good motorcycle rider or race car driver at the track.
all day man, I love my keebs, went through endgame serach and everything. had think 6.5 e6.5 a tgr board..... been tactile gang with holy pandas and a ton of linear gangs
Trickstuff speaking: There are two reasons for the different feel of the Shiguras:
1. Magura calipers have 22 mm big pistons, whereas the Ultegras have 21 mm. This results in a more powerful hydraulic ratio of the brake system, which expands the caliper more. (Both the Shimano and Magura calipers are well designed and very stiff). But the higher ratio results in a more elastic feel.
2. Magura hoses are good, Shimano hoses are very good. Therefor the Magura hoses expand wider under high pressure, which also results in a more elastic lever feel.
My personal opinion: Please undo those horrible, cheap looking colored rings in the Magura calipers. These calipers look great WITHOUT those rings...
These brakes to me are great, absolute love them, give the bike some flare and feels different to me in the best way possible..... hopefully you guys all enjoy and if you have any questions about how to do this let me know down below. (also sorry Chris Froome for the unflattering picture)
A question, can i do same it sram force or rival Axs? Because oil is dot, can I use mineral oil in sram Axs?
Which mineral oil do you use for this setup? Shimano or Magura?
@Charles Man You could ask the same about rim brakes. What happens if the cable snaps? Same for your bars/stem bolts/forks.
Did this on my gravel bike with grx levers and hope rx4+ calipers, which are even flashier, have more stopping power and meant to be on a road bike from the manufacturer. Only downside is that they have noticeably less clearance from the Shimano rotors than the 9200 calipers I eventually replaced them with
When I did this job, I cut the head off a scew and ground that end to a point. Then, I used the screw to connect the two hoses, put a couple of wraps of electrical tape around the joint and used the old hose to pull the new hose through. It
what the hell??? thats crazy
@@GCPerformance18 I know, but it works great.
This is something I’ve been wanting to do for my road bikes for awhile now. My mountain bikes and my tricked out flat bar commuter all run Magura and they feel so great.
go for it I am telling you... youir going to love the way it looks and feels
Awesome run through of this mod. Have both Shimano and Campagnolo (made by Magura) disc brake bikes. Can confirm, it’s night and day performance. Shimano is OK, by all means. But Campagnolo brakes so much smoother.
very nice!!! and thank you
"This is hard to describe on camera but i have to say I'M IN LOVE". That was easy, nuff said.
Yea it is very very nice. A great feeling brake
I met Chris yesterday, lovely guy!
I wanna meet him lol
Yep, Magura is real deal, have them on my MTB
they are sop nice I love them
The best brakes I've got are Magura hydraulic Rim brakes.The feel you get from them on the road is just better than the snatchy discs I've tried.
Sadly no brifters work with Magura HS rim brakes 😭
@Roland Rides
Can you please explain a bit more I am trying to get information about brifters and rim brakes could you please let me know why it won't work
@@Larr3y i think its because the brakes i use - Magura hydraulic rim brakes - are only available for flat bars - not drop bars (brifters?)
From what I have seen online you can mix flat bar components from magura and shimano and dropbar shifters from shimano with magura disc calipers but can you use shimano drop bar with magura rim brakes and if so why or why not. Any help or advice would be appreciated so much. I am doing a retro build on an old klein pulse 2 and if I can use GRX with magura rim brakes
I never don’t stop. I ride rim in wet Carbon hoops cheap carbon pads. Summer bike same. But Expensive pads. I go faster summer. Rim was epic for years. And still is. Rim is effective. High end Shimano.
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They have been a staple in our shop for the longest time, they are a big part of our tune ups lol
I drive a semi, use lots of cheap spray on detail cleaner waxes, but nothing cleans and shines my bike (which I ride to work) like BikeLust.
Color of the details makes perfect sense.
The reason to do it is that it the pistons move way more freely in these calipers than the shimano ones, so they don't get stuck when they get hot.
good to know
Why don’t you buy Campagnolo Record brakes? They’re made by Magura, look awesome and brake like crazy!
not a fan of of the look of them
Because everyone knows that you cannot mix Shimano, SRAM or Campagnolo on the same bike.
3rd party brands like Magura, Look, Speedplay, Time, etc. are acceptable 😜
i've recently built the ULTIMATE frankenbrakes on my MTB: shimano SLX levers, magura MT5-ESTOP 4-pots calipers, sram HS2 rotors, trickstuff bionol oil, galfer ebike brake pads. and MAN they're strong and reliable. best brake ever, probably even too much power, very nice lever feel, and quite affordable too, compared to other brakes with comparable brake power. if you want to improve your current setup, try sram HS2 rotors: more thermal mass, less lever throw, a bit more modulation. try!
hell yea
I personally like the green fluorescent rings on the calipers, it flows well with the rest of the bike
Great Video GC. Soooo latest generation Shimano hydraulic brakes have more clearance than previous generation. (8000 / 9100). Do you think these have more clearance again?
yes they do have bigger clearance, for the maguras they do not have as big of clearance but still more then the previous generation of shimano and no issues adjusting
His mechanic said it used to take him 4 f hours to build a bike. 🤦♂️ I said this on Froom’s bike when he was shitting on disc brakes. the reason he hates disc brakes is because his mechanic refuses to learn how to work on disc brakes… I don’t blame him, how f hard is to set up a rim brake bike. I can set up a full build including servicing every bearing on a rim brake less than 90 minutes.
As far as these magura brakes I am really really curious how you feel about them after you ride a little. Personally I think less than 180mm it’s completely pointless to have these brakes. I just worry that you don’t have any downhills, so your review might be unrealistic. Still this is awesome content.
lmao I understand the mechanic but working on these all day they should get a rhythm of things, but also man I dont get this and why people say this.... but a 140mm hydraulic disc positioned at the center of a wheel hub is going to have way better stopping power then a rim brake any day out the year 10/10 times, I never got that when people are like im scared im not gonna have enough brake power going down my hills I live around..... like literally 10 years ago people were bombing those hills with carbon brake pads on rim brakes with a simple cable...... a 140mm hydraulic disc will have way more stopping power then a rim brake prove me wrong
@@GCPerformance18 don’t think like that…. rim brake tech was what we had, that’s what we used, that’s what we perfected. Personally direct mount rim brakes are good enough but who cares what I think. The point with disc brakes is that I can give a disc brake bike to any new rider and they will feel way more confident on any downhill with disc brakes. I do want to remind you that living in Florida you guys are completely spoiled with those flats. Tell me this how can my 240 pound “dentist”customer take a selfie with one hand with golden gate in the background or Alcatraz going down hawk hill at min 8% or in same cases 20% in SF with rim brakes… no way!!! 😜 here is a quick story for you; I had to pick up my friend going down famous Mount Diablo in Northern California on his just purchased super six 2013 women’s edition rim brake( I love that bike), as I was driving down he said everyone that is going down safe had a disc bike, I must buy a disc brake bike, just as he said that a guy with sl6 rim brake passed us as if we were stoped… his repose was just watch he will die…. lol my friend rides for about 2 years he had made make 200miles total.
@@bendardania
“Direct mount rim brakes are good enough”
Lol dude, “good enough” hardly sounds like a product perfected. It literally means that even in its best form, it’s still fails to excel in its task of shedding speed. The most you could ask of it is to just hope that it works lol.
@@slowcyclist4324 do you know what direct mount rim brakes are? I’m asking a serious question.
I didn’t think I had to explain what I meant since sl6 direct mount it’s pretty self explanatory. Jus to give you some context I have been fighting “Australian experts” for about 4 years now on TH-cam how we should move to disc. But I always say if you don’t mind and you are not supper heavy, you can find a sick rim brake bike for a fraction of a disc bike.
I noticed that disc brakes are just good to gather content for TH-cam , everyone talk about it but not many likes it .
Now that you have installed a mtb calippers your bike became more of a gravel bike . #keepgraveling👌
Hahahha thank you!!
Thanks for this. I'm just having a Look built up and was thinking of doing this. Less scared now. 😅
thats awesome!!! they look sick and also better braking
Just can’t get over how much drag and weight this adds to a Superbike! For Dirt absolute necessity. Anyway keep up the great entertainment!
hell no, no drag at all there is no rubbing
You mean weight savings?? Dura ace 9170 flat mount caliper = ~112g / Magura MT4 flat mount = ~100g.
Fitted some Campagnolo Super Record brakes last week for the first time and these are very similar (possibly the same caliper) and have th agree the feel is amazing.
Like you say the brake bit and feel like you can squeeze them just like a rim brake.
Super powerful from the first test ride as well.
I'd definitely consider the for one of my peesonal bikes.
Campagnolo brakes are made by Magura
How come you just didn't install the calipers with the existing hydro lines? Seems a lot easier...
Hello, I wanted to ask you a question about the video which mineral oil did you use for the brakes, the one from Shimano (Red) or the one from Magura (Blue)?
For this kind of money, I'll go with Hope RX4, super bling and specifically designed for the Shimano or Sram brakes.
yeah those things a re a work of art.
I have those, team turtle just sent me purple ones, gonna do a build for my next bike
@@GCPerformance18have you done the bike build with the Hope Rx4? Can’t find the video🤔
Question: I've installed several Shimano hydro hoses with new barb/olive myself and i've never pre-installed the olive and tightened up the nut and THEN put the hose in... I've always slid the nut up the hose, slid the olive on, then pushed the hose in and tightened... Any advantages to your way? Cheers
it jsut holds the olive in place so you odnt have to worry about it clamping the olive in the wrong spot if you dont have the cable pushed in all the way, just easier for me, its similar method to sram where the olive is like threaded on to the end of the line
I did not check the technical specs but are the pistons bigger than shimano? a bigger piston will led to a bit more lever way and not that instant ultra-snappy on/off feel. also, in my opinion, the pad material makes a big difference in terms how a brake feels. sintered pads always feel "harder" like hitting a wall where organic ones are a bit more squishy. after all its always a personal opinion what works best :)
How is that mirror saddle working for you?, those look like carbon rails what’s your experience with its durability
I am thinking of getting one but am concerned as xc mountain biker that I might be to heavy for it at a weight of 195 and looking to use on my xc mtb,
Also love my magura breaks enjoy yours
I am 200lbs and I have no issues at all.. I have always rode carbon rails, if you are running mountain bike setup get the new mirror pro saddle that its the same seat tech just with titanium rails and plastic body so no worries of breaking and still same comfort
is there any chance i can just crimp on the magura fitting to the caliper side of the hydraulic line? i just built my bike and im not re running any cables. i do have a good amount if slack and the shimano cutting/crimping tool…
I am saying no, is it impossible? i dont know on that one, you have to be really good
@@GCPerformance18 i found the answer all i need is a “magura banjo hose fitting insert” yo put on the caliper end of hose.
Before anyone decides to try, please be aware of the mount. Some of ur shops might not carry a flat mount suitable for road bike which would need a adapter which would then really ugly. So make sure if u buy online, know which mount the magura are for
I took a quick glance at the Magura MT4s and the MT8 SLs and it seems like the difference between the two is in the lever. There is a possibility that you could have saved some money by opting for the MT4s since you're ditching the levers anyway.
You can order Magura calipers only. No problem.
but you can sell the levers
I’m going for it !!!
The twist is I’m using Wheeltop Eds tx levers….
It’s either going to be amazing or terrible 😂
hoyl shit that sounds awesome send me a pic when you are done
@@GCPerformance18 will do. Waiting on the parts for that ...
From looking at the wheeltop parts, the olives look identical to the sram ones.
What do you reckon ? Magura hose (the one with the barb) with magura pin and sram olive should be a perfect fit ?
Or does it not really matter as it will get crushed ?
could have bought mt4´s to reduce the sting a bit haha. the only difference to the mt8´s are the carbon levers and the colour
really? lol I did not know that, but now I feel like a dummy lol
Question: Why do you set up the levers like they come from the factory with the olive in the lever instead of just putting everything on the cable and then tightening down? It seems like more work to line up the barb internally? Genuine question
there has been times when I have done it that way that the hose slipped out a little and when crushing the olive, it didnt connect well, where as this way I can shove the hose in there firm feel it bottom out, and know the olive is not moving anywhere
@@GCPerformance18 I actually had better success doing what you used to do.
I am trying to do the same thing but have a question. Do you have to use air to pump out the original oil before you disconnect the hoses from the shifters?
nope the fluid is the same so you can just connect, if you are careful enough during the reconnect then there should not be an issue if not then a re bleed is required
@@GCPerformance18 Thank you! These are great videos. I was thinking of using the magura royal blood instead of the original fluid so I'm asking the question. In that case I think I should bleed out the shimano oil and wash my shifters with royal blood first. I'm just a bit concerned about this process.
hi, i have magura mt trail double piston brakes and i was using avid 180 hayes 203 as disc. I bought a shimano xtr rt mt 905 ice tech disc, but my brakes aren't holding the way they used to. Should I use organic or metallic? Which one do you think is not compatible?
Nice GC . It’s all about the little details 👌
I’m not tired either 😉
hell yea!!!!
I can confirm that these calipers also work on Campagnolo groups. In fact, I got the original Chorus calipers too and the pistons in the Chorus caliper are absolutely identical with the Maguras. They even have the same magnetic pad retention as the Maguras and you can use Magura pads. Makes sense, since Magura supplied parts for Campy's 1st Gen disc brakes. I paired these calipers with Campy Ekar gravel brifters and it works fine. Super powerful. All you need is an adapter, since these calipers have banjo fittings. I used Magura Royal Blood fluid. No issues.
Which adapter is needed? That sounds awesome and I'd like to try the same 😃
@@driventomadness117 What I mean is that you need the banjo fittings to connect the Magura calipers with the brake line. I bought my callipers used so I had to source those separately from Magura. GC had these already since he bought the whole brake set.
veyr nice!!!!
I'm SO HAPPY i ride a colnago V3rs RIM BRAKE which weighs 6.7 kilos its super responsive, light,agile fantastic up hill, when test riding the disk version wowwww the difference is huge the rim is way faster easier to live with, none of this faffing about with disk brake nonsense unfortunately we ate governd by men in grey suits who think about 💰💰💰💰Disk are great for gravel,MTB and commuting but no way for road, and Chris Froome still hates disk brake. People Keep hold of your rim brakes they will be worth a fortune very soon.
Is this still your preferred setup, or back to pure Shimano?
no I love this setup I dont have the bike anymore i got an sl8 but I would love to go back one day but it is expensive to do
Thanks man. I’m building my first disc bike - reluctantly - so trying to think of all options to improve the braking
Thanks for taking the time to make this video, very informative and good to see.
Thank you veyr much for watching!!
Magura designed disc brakes for Campagnolo groupsets, that's why there are much better then Shimano and Sram... The issues is with thickness of rotors 1.8mm Shimana, but Magura is 2mm... Also you can buy calipers only, which costs 50-70Euro each, (plus separately a brake hose).
yes they are but I hate there bleed process and also there levers feel like crap compared to shimano
@@GCPerformance18 Accordingly to Magura you need to embedd brake pads 34 times at speed of 30km/h.
Next morning a bunch of randos arrive to your shop asking - Hey dude, can I feel your brakes? hahahahha, Love your videos!!!
hahahahha thats what I was hoping for but no one took the bait lol
My 105 rear disc caliper is broken and it seems impossible to get a new one... So I may have to try this.
give it a try
@@GCPerformance18 I do wonder are Sram parts more easy to find and replace...
3:44 When I talked to the Magura rep myself I was like, Hey how's it going GC Performance here....
hahahahaha, I feel like a lot of the people in the industry know me when I call the companys lol
I've seriously considered putting the Hope RX4 calipers on my gravel bike. I've read they can be a bit of a pain to set up initially but are awesome once they are. Do you have any experience with the Hope brakes?
Great brake calipers, very hard to set on begining correctly. Sensitive to mount tapping. And the main look awesome :-D
I've got rx4 on my road bike. They brake well I think better than my Shimano did but they are a little bit trickier. You want nice straight rotors there's not a big clearance but older Shimano didn't have much either. The hope rx4 calipers are very light lighter than dura ace I believe
I jsut got a pair sent to me, I will be doing those on my new bike but for now I love this setup with maguras and these will be my main until this bike runs its course
Have rx4+ on gravel bike.. want to change my dura ace ones on my s works tarmac but not really worth it
I’ve got Ekar on my gravel bike and brakes are the best I have ever used in both feel and function 👍
Yes they are!
Can you fit these calipers on Sram Rival AXS ( same brake hoses etc) ? I have to use DOT brake fluid. Many thanks again for your valuable information.
No you can not. They say only mineral oil for the caliper. The dot fluid could be corrosive to it
These calipers really look great. I have a question concerning the compatible rotors. According to the specification the mt8 sl fm is compatible with 180mm rotors. However, since these are mtb calipers i wonder if this is also the case for gravel or road bike forks without a additional adapter?
no, these rotors for flat mount without adapters would be 140, as you see the back on has no adapter and its 140mm and the front i am using the existing shimano adapter for 160mm rotor
Hi~just wondering about the rotor size for front and rear. It seems like the min size is 160mm according to the official site….would like to know if it could fit 140mm
yea u can run 140 front and rear just have the right mount for the brake
Awesome! Will this work with sram lever?
That evil laugh at 6:35 respresents all of us cyclist who are reconfigurating the bike the bike again and again 😆
hahahhaha always looking for something new
Pardon me-but I'm lost what Magura model is there? MT4 carbotecture?
why the hustle with changing the hoses? Couldn't you have used the shimano hoses and change only the calipers, without dissembling headset etc...?
the hose connection is different for magura they use that little mount thing on the side
Two words - Banjo fittings
i put on my kenevo sl shigura and i didn't like it. Then i put XT on and it's just perfect. On road bikes new Shimano disc brakes are perfect. Braking will be same as full Shimano, but spongy.
its understandable it is not for everyone and it is preference
retül top cap prices have skyrocketed following this video 😆
hahahhaha, I love it
I don't like disc brakes on road bikes.....but you should try galfer discs and their brake pads
they look so weird!!! I just looked them up now I will keep my shiamno for now
Your bike is beautiful
Thank you very much!!!
An eyeopener to everyone using Shimano and sram. Not so much for those who use campagnolo… ;-)
Very interesting! Is it true that the Magura MT8 SL FM and cheaper MT4 FM calipers are identical?
They look very very similar. Just the mt4 looked and felt a little heavier
Didn't Magura produce brake calipers for Campagnolo? The Campagnolo Royal blue mineral oil is the same one that Magura uses.
yes but just a pain in the ass bleeding kit and the campy levers feel booty
Durianrider will hate this.
hahahha I have not heard or seen from him in so long
Good vid. that Specialized look's good.
Thanks so much!!!
Where to source the top cap from? Impossible to find…
Thanks in advance
maybe from retul website, I dont know if they sell them anymore
Nice work Grant!
Thank you nick!!!! I appreciate you
Take it for ride over a proper distance and review it when the pads are properly bedded in. I'm curious how this would work on a steep decent . I'm wondering how it would feel on 2 different rides on the same route. 1 ride with a shimano mineral oil bleed and then with a royal blood bleed on the brakes
wont change anything, just different color mineral oil, finish line makes a green mineral oil, royal blood is blue, and honestly right now those brake lines are filled with royal blood and my shifter levers are filled with red shimano mineral oil
I'm not doubting they are both mineral oil. What I would be keen to see would be the difference between the performance of both. Shimano are not very forthcoming about the complete technical specification of their mineral oil. I believe from what I have read that both royal blood and shimano mineral oil don't share the same boiling point. Are they the same weight and viscosity? I'm wondering if some of the feel at the lever is partially down to the type of mineral oil used.
Have the Campagnolo?Magura on a bike, fantastic brakes.
Kind of like putting Brembos on your car?
Exactly like that. It’s like the sti Wrx with the bright green Brembo
I’m considering replacing my Ultegra hydraulic disc brakes. I had been looking at the Hope RX4+ which look really cool. This is another option for me to consider. Do I need to get the frame faced where the calipers bolt on or at least checked before I upgrade?
If you had a hard time aligning the caliper previously (or even impossible to align), the mounts do need to be faced. Otherwise, not necessary.
yea go get it faced, that is worth it first before buying new brakes
Mdr-p is also 2 mm WYYY max thickness magura mt5 e-stop must be 1,8 thickness. it says in manual what rotor is 1.8 mm ??? on there site it sayd i could use mt5 e-stop with storm hc rotor, but now they slip against the rotor, :( i need a 203, 1.8mm thick, were can i get 1 ? because in the manual it says max 1.8 thickness rotor.
Yea I hear you for the manual but we have our other rotors on there before to make it work for customers
Hope calipers are good too.
I have those for my next build
these sorta remind me of when everyone had those gauge earrings
ahhahhhaha
shigura vs hope rx4+, which one is better
I jsut got a pair of hope rx4 sent to me, I am putting them on my next build I will let you know but for right now the magura are heaven to me, I have no reason to change anything on my bike
what bike shop do you work at?
Bicycle Generation
Don't Magura make the Campagnolo brakes? It would explain why their brakes feel really good too.
yes they do but just ashit bleeding process and the campy levers to me feel kind of rubbish
Your bike looks sick 🔥
Thanks so much!!
I had a little trouble getting this delivered th-cam.com/users/postUgkxn_jUDSlprMIeubd9rHdEAnv59nKfjcKv and eventually had to pick it up from local UPS location, but customer service was really nice and helped me get it before the estimated delivery date. They even gave me a partial refund for my trouble. Thanks Paige! The actual bicycle is just as advertised, and had no damage or scratches. This is an excellent commuter bike for most people. I did a few modifications to make it even better for me personally. I added fenders from my old bicycle. They weren't for disc brakes, but after adding longer bolts and about an inch of spacers the supports no longer interfered with the brakes. I like to pedal HARD and go FAST, so I switched the chain rings to Vuelta Corsa Pro Crankset, Black, 175mm 53/39T Square Taper. This has longer crank arms too, so its kind of 2 upgrades in 1. The front derailleur had to be readjusted so it would stay on only the 2 chain rings until I get a different shifter. I also switched the cassette to one with 11T high gear and a larger low gear. With larger gears on the front and back I also had to get a longer chain. I probably couldn't race this bike unless i got a different cassette with gears closer in size relative to each other, but I can still go plenty fast on flats and downhill while still being able to climb steep hills. For going to and from work and the grocery store this is a great bike. It even looks good. I also added a rear rack and panniers for grocery trips. Now it has great storage capacity especially paired with a backpack. Very happy with my purchase.
weird I always thought the sqpongey feel of rim braskes was undesirable, to each their own, looks sick and probably stops faster
feel a sram brake, those are the worse
That seems like a sick brake set-up. It's always fun to experiment with mix and match components. You'd think all components would need to be brand matched, but you don't know what will work best for your own personal style til you try. Props to you for that.
Off topic question...when you change/remove your bar tape to work on your bike, do you re-tape w/ new bar tape or do you re-use the same tape that you took off your bars? Asking for a friend. :)
:)) thanks so much for the comment, I usualy use new bar tape honestly, if it is somewhat new I will try to savage it like in this point..... if the tape is on there for too long it gets use to the shape and i hate trying to re tape it exactly how it was it usually never works out
@@GCPerformance18 thanks for reply. I was thinking of doing some adjustments that require bar tape removal and debating whether to just get new tape or try and re-tape with existing. It’s honestly not that worn but I know removing it, sometimes it never settles the same as after a new wrap. Maybe I’ll get new tape, just in case, and see if I can re-use existing and just have a stand-by wrap if the old tape doesn’t work out. 👍🏽
Again quality video great insight to what the top pros are using why not us mere mortals if it is good enough for top pros. like mix and match road and mountain biking parts just shows how great cycling is that we will experiment and see how it goes they do look sick 🤘🤙
I've been wanting to do this for my bike too. Are the magura calipers the same for the front and rear?
@@markwaterman3683 ye I would presume that both front and rear calipers will be the same they do look slick I've looked at them on a couple of websites depending on what website you look on the prices are around about £50/60 less give or take definitely gonna buy a set of these calipers next paycheck I reckon
Hey… can i run those funky brakes with a sram rival？
no you can not, only shimano brake systems because of the fluid
@@GCPerformance18 too sad
what is so special about the Retül stem cap?
Idk its like a novelty item that the pros have on there bikes
Shigura doesn’t have to be expensive like Evan was insinuating, it’s his fault he decided to use XTR levers and the highest end Magura calipers. If you use cheaper parts from both brands, you’d get the same benefits even with a Deore lever and MT5 calipers, the price becomes much more reasonable
yea this can always be done but of course for the video sake, it looks cool lol
You should definitely do the red ring
I have them coming on the way
Is this MT4 FM？
these are the mt 8
@@GCPerformance18 Thanks for the reply.
I don’t understand how calipers can feel different. Doesn’t the fluid flow at the same rate and pressure no matter the shape? I’d think only the brake lever could affect the feel.
The caliper's construction can make a difference. Two-piece calipers flex more than one-piece units. I once pulled a brake lever hooked to a fully bled Ultegra BR-R8070 (bleed block still installed) hard and I can feel the caliper trying to spread itself open. I haven't gotten the chance to try the same thing with one-piece calipers yet.
@@yonglingng5640 good answer thanks.
love it and yes!!
he answered it perfectly!!
@@yonglingng5640 so what does it mean? That shimano has one-piece unit why magura two-piece and it makes different?
Do they work with Shimano 11 speed as well? Thanks
yes they do as long as it is mineral oil
@@GCPerformance18 Many thanks!
@@GCPerformance18 Hi! Are the front and the rear MT8 caliper the same? Thanks.
disc for skid
rim brake for skid
Could this be done with SRAM or not?
sram no, because sram uses dot 5.1 fluid........ shimano and magura use mineral oil
Bike looks awesome! Those details just give it a nice edge!
Thanks!
Only RIM BRAKES.
Get your hands on the Hope RX4's. Super sexy brakes. I would get the MT8 SL's but they don't sell the calipers separately. Which barb did you use btw? I think I read there's 2 sizes that shimano makes for road.
I have them, team turtle just sent me a pair of purple ones they look sick!!!
I have them they work well
Is that used Ultegra front caliper for sale??
You want both? I can make you a deal? Send me an email gcperformanceyt@gmail.com
The upgrade theory sounds nice :D But I feel it a bit weird if someone walk into your store and ask "can I feel your brake"
Hahahhaa I don’t care, they touch my bike I touch there bikes…… 😏
These brakes are dope ! You should do a video with the Hope rx4, I have those on my gravel bike and honestly they rock ! Check them out. They make both Dot and mineral.
I just got the hope sent to me from a friend they are oging on my next build for a bike
Does anybody know the piston size of these Magura calipers ?
I believe someone said it was 22mm compared to shimano being 21mm
The ROTOR hydraulic road groupset if you can find it, already uses Magura brakes in its design.
yea it does and its called uno, it is sucha weird group
After a 10 mile descent with hard braking if they rub or not.The ultimate test :))
GC lives in Florida where I live. Disc brakes are like tits on a bull. There is no descending. I built a 40 mph Specialized Aluminum Allez road bike with 1700 watt mid drive motor with Ultegra Rim brakes. Can lock both wheels up. Great modulation. Maybe a benefit of disc brakes in the Alps. Not in Florida.
An entertaining video however and informative how to install new disc calipers on a SL7. If I owned and I do own a disc brake bike and the brakes didn't rub? I would NEVER change the brakes. Any decent cyclist can adjust to brake modulation...same with a good motorcycle rider or race car driver at the track.
What depth are those wheels?
GC performance does keyboards?!?!?!
all day man, I love my keebs, went through endgame serach and everything. had think 6.5 e6.5 a tgr board..... been tactile gang with holy pandas and a ton of linear gangs