Songs used in order: Circle by Cult of Luna. Good Morning Captain by Slint. It's My Life by Talk Talk. Forty Six & 2 by Tool. Schism by Tool. Circle by Cult of Luna. In the Presence of Enemies Pt, 1 by Dream Theater. Blood and Thunder by Mastodon. The Outsider by A Perfect Circle. Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away) by Deftones. The Red by Chevelle. Underneath the Gun by Limp Bizkit. Head to the Barricade by Limp Bizkit. Not Unlike the Waves by Agalloch. Just for a Moment by Austere. Richard by Sunn O))). It Took the Night to Believe by Sunn O))). Too Close Enough to Touch by Khanate. Blew by Nirvana. Lat Oss Ta Allt Fran Varandra by Shining. Reject Existence by Forgotten Tomb. Entombed by Winter by Forgotten Tomb. Prince of Ash by Black Tongue. War Pigs (Black Sabbath Cover) by Acacia Strain. Young Cardinals by Alexisonfire. Silvera by Gojira.
Was honestly surprised to see some DSBM on here. It's a horribly underappreciated genre that provides nigh unparalleled catharsis. Seriously, go check out the album Dipsomania by Psychonaut 4. It's full of haunting melodies, some of the most emotionally charged shrieks (I've got no other word for it) that I've ever heard, and just creates this beautiful, melancholy atmosphere that's great for working your shit out in.
@@whatsinameme5258 Deftones definitely isn't nu metal but it has some slightly influence on it on Adrenaline while slowly drifted away from the genre. While Tool grandiosely added more prog in Lateralus.
Man as much as I love Tool, I hate the stigma of being a Tool fan. We are the rick and morty fanbase of metal or they are the Tool fanbase of TV. Good vid though 👌👌
One band really worth checking out is Boris. Their discography is massive and explores many genres such a jpop, punk, noise and hard rock but the core of their sound is huge sludgy riffs and walls of feedback interspersed with soft clean interludes with lots of spaced out guitar melodies. I also include anything that could be described as 'blackgaze' as post metal e.g. alcest, deafheaven, ghost bath. Also, also, I can hear fans of funeral doom getting real mad at the claim that drone metal is the slowest subgenre.
Video idea popped into my head: the differences between genres that have similarities. Such as Thrash vs Hardcore, Grunge vs early 90'S Alternative Metal, Power Pop vs Pop Punk, etc.
It's so nice to see TOOL referenced with post-metal. Been trying to tell people for years that they have some very good post-metal and sludge songs, but they just think I'm wrong.
@@呼吸-e9b I love Tool, but most of the diehard fans are ridiculous. That's probably the main reason why the band is hated, those fans think Tool is the greatest band in the universe and god forbid if you disagree with them...
That's a very interesting point, and I've thought about before. I think there is a distinction between post rock that went metal, and metal that went post. In my head I call Russian Circles "metallic post rock" and Neurosis "post-metal".
Great video, post-metal and post-black have been my favorite parts of metal for years so I have some recommendations: Post-metal: ISIS, Rosetta, Neurosis, Jesu (some of Godflesh's stuff kind of overlaps), Russian Circles Post-black metal/blackgaze (which is black metal+shoegaze): Sadness, Deafheaven, Agalloch, Violet Cold, Falaise, Sylvaine
I never really thought of TOOL or Deftones being post-metal, but this video really opened me up to the idea. It shows that artists and bands don’t have to be defined by one genre and take influences from all kinds of music.
There's definitely a post-rock and even shoegaze element in Deftones. Tool are a prog rock band with alternative metal and post-rock elements but with a psychedelic aesthetic
I’ve always struggled to explain the type of music I like to people when they ask. The fact this video featured some of my favourite bands ever under a genre I’ve never really heard of will help. Thanks have a sub
I certainly like that more people are talking about Post Metal since for me it has what metal lacked in past decades that were filled with monetary desires (which is normal but it can corruptive for the creativity) and years fueled by having fun time with groupies and crap like that, and that is integrity. On the sonic side even tho Tool is one of my favorite bands i really don't relate them to Post Metal even tho they share certain traits with the bands that i do put into Post Metal. They are very progressive,tribal, psychedelic feel and pretentiousness (most of the progressive stuff is, there is no shame in that and it is probably the reason why im attracted to that music) however they lack the intensity, dark atmosphere, sludge and doom feel and those are characteristics that are most important for the genre in my honest opinion. As for Deftones, for me they aren't even up for debate to be in the genre, they are a great band however they lack even more of the things that i mentioned in the Tool part. Agalloch and the rest of the phenomenal progressive/folk black metal bands deserve their own genere i feel. For me Neurosis is the Pinnacle of what Post-Metal should be followed by Isis and Cult of Luna. However you can debate that maybe the name Post-Metal inherently means that these bands refused to bring cliches from the Metal and probably one of the things that is the most cliche are the rough vocals. So maybe you can say that the Bands like Russian Circles and Pelican that are instrumental bands, represent what Post-Metal actually is in its purest form even tho Neurosis singlehandedly created the genre.
I was kinda expecting you to mention Neurosis. Specifically Through silver in blood album that went with a more tribal sound and their use of repetition. Great video after all.
I actually listened to some Neurosis in prep for this video, and I thought about including them, but I almost thought it was TOO experimental. Like to the point it sounded like Avant Garde Metal to some degree. I can see how they may have been influential to the Post Metal style, but I wasn't entirely sure about including them. I wanted to make a video about the sound itself, rather than the history of the genre, where a mention of them would be warranted. Maybe I listened to the wrong album.
was honestly gonna click off when I saw neurosis wasn't gonna be included but I'm glad I stayed. to me their work from TSIB onward is the best example of post-metal I can think of
@@whatsinameme5258 I think they have had a lot of influence in extreme metal, especially in that scene that is called avantgarde / blackened death metal for example in bands like Ulcerate, pyrrhon ...
@@whatsinameme5258 bruh, you can't claim they were too on the fringe, but then throw in Tool and Deftones LMAO. They literally DEFINED what post-metal as a genre. Throw out stuff like The Eye of Every Storm if you like, they are about as post-metal as it gets.
That is interesting I have always heard that by leaps and bounds the most quitessential Post-metal band was Isis, with Cult of Luna and Neurosis both as close seconds.
Post metal is how I got into metal. I didn't even know it, but the second I heard bands like Jakob, and Russian circles, I was hooked. I've heard the classic stuff, but post metal was my first journey into the complicated mess that is metal. I think I love it because it creates soundscapes to lose yourself in. Black metal gets repetitive, but post metal has this feeling of as you said, clarity. It doesn't feel like anxiety like black metal does. EYRTH is a great band for anyone who's familiar with doom, but wants something a bit more posty.
I literally NEVER heard anyone refer to Tool as " Post Metal"...It's Progressive Metal. I don't hear how they are simmiliar to Isis, Neurosis, Cult Of Luna etc. Totally different Genre
Check Out Envy (Japanese screamo band) imo one Of the best bands that mixes Post Rock and Shoegaze With Heavier Genres like Hardcore punk and they were a huge influence In the Blackgaze scene
Nice to see Austere getting a mention - I never thought of them as mixing post-metal with black metal; always considered them to be DSBM. (As a side note, my old band, Lyrinx, did a split with Austere years ago.)
@@davidritz2921 Austere = atmospheric black metal? I don't really see that, especially not in the song 'Just For a Moment', that was played in this vid.
I really like your channel. Went through all the videos in a short period of time. It's funny how some of your examples for each style surprise me, I initially have a gut reaction, but then when you explain it I'm like "ooh it actually makes sense". Also appreciate your memetic perspective of genres. Keep pushing these out!
i just discovered this channel and im in love, your music taste is insanely good and im discovering so many great bands, way better than those shitty music gurus that make album reviews and genere explanations. Great content
@@swanswanswanswanswanswanswan oh absolutely. To be fair, I don’t use social media besides occasionally Reddit, but I don’t see annoying TOOL fans on there. Could be different for TH-cam/Facebook/twitter tho
Great video! Can you make a videos about: • DSBM • Blackgaze • Post Black Metal (band ex: Skyforest) • Folk Doom Metal (band ex: Uaral) • Pagan Black Metal (band ex: Menhir) • Pirate Metal (Bands ex: Alestorm, wuthering heights) • Power Meral
You've definitely earned my subscription. I've been rocking out to _Underneath the Sun_ for the last few days thanks to this video. I explained to a friend how I'd discovered a Limp Bizkit song that I didn't think was unequivocal shite, and he politely suggested that I'd get my head checked. On a more serious note, I'd like to recommend the band Ulcerate. They mix post-metal with technical death metal, resulting in a sound that is both cataclysmic, but also fast-paced and unbelievably dense. I'd especially recommend their 2009 release _Everything is Fire_ - generally considered their greatest work so far.
I would say British band Oceansize is post metal, because they combined post rock, alternative metal, space rock and shoegaze into some unique, but some would call them progressive metal.
I’ve listened to two of their albums in full: Everyone Into Position and Frames and I would describe them as mostly prog rock in the vein of Porcupine Tree with a heavy sprinkling of post rock and prog metal
I'm not much of a genre gatekeeper, but I feel like some points you make about post metal could have been better researched . The analogy about it being "a moment of reflection or realization" is amazing, but I feel like you've left out bands like Isis, Neurosis and Amenra, who arguably represent the big 3 of post metal. Tool and Mastodon definitely have strong "post" elements but their core is firmly in a different sound and more straightforward song structure
I think he got Cult of Luna right on the nose, but yeah some of the other biggest post-metal bands are all missing. Isis, Neurosis, Amenra, and even The Ocean (which have prog tendencies)> I always thought Tool was Prog band with Post influences and The Ocean a Post Metal band with Prog influences.
alternative, prog, post, etc. they fit under those subgenres and others for sure; Adam Jones even infuses Djent on 10k Days & Fear Inoculum in the more rhythmic portions of the records too.
Hey, I enjoyed the video! I was looking up information on this genre after enjoying the most recent Cult of Luna album (which was my first time listening to them, btw.) Stuff like this is very helpful to me, as I've recently been trying to learning more about the various sub-genres of metal. I listened to a lot of popular metalcore, classic thrash, and prog metal when I was in high school (about a decade ago) but have only touched a little bit of metal between back then and earlier this year (when I decided I was going to dive in deeper to the massive world of metal that I only heard in passing previously.) However, I have listened to a ton of Post-Hardcore and I was really taken aback by you saying that Post-Hardcore was an offshoot of Post-Rock. I think there's a fair amount of crossover and shared DNA in their early histories (most notably, Slint) but Post-Hardcore was primarily born out of pushing the boundaries of the 80s hardcore punk scene and trying to take the sound in a more varied and artistic direction. I think both Post-Hardcore and Post-Rock both sought to push boundaries and drew inspiration from No Wave, Noise Rock, and Experimental Rock, but early Post-Hardcore has a much more tangible relation to Hardcore Punk (and especially the DC scene) than most of Post-Rock, (at least to my knowledge.) So with that in mind, Post-Hardcore obviously bears a similarity to Metalcore because they share a major common ancestor in Hardcore Punk. Plus, throughout the evolution of Post-Hardcore, there's plenty of Metal influences and stylings that tend to show up. Mathcore immediately comes to mind for me (although I've heard some people say Mathcore isn't metal, but is strictly a more extreme version of Post-Hardcore.) There's also some bands that are pretty firmly in the Post-Hardcore category like Thrice, but tracks like "Deadbolt" or "The Earth Will Shake" have unmistakable influences from more classic metal genres. I honestly interpreted the "Metalcore" genre label to refer to a combination of the Post-Hardcore and Metal in reference to a lot of the Emo-flavored metal bands of the late 2000's before I had been exposed to the more "Metallic Hardcore" sound. I recognize that this is very nitpick-y on my part, you probably said less than 5 sentences related to post-hardcore in the video and I know that wasn't really the point at all. I just wanted to share an alternative perspective to that term, specifically. If you have some info or perspective that I'm totally lacking there, I'm super open to that, too. Keep up the good work!
It is a little bit strange that you haven't mentioned Katatonia in this doom metal course. I found out about this genre after listening their "Brave Murder Day" album. And I love it till present day 😍 P.S.: I hope your black metal course will be as long as this one
I don't think you can realistically consider Tool to be a post-metal band, they take a few aspects of the sound, but those aspects are also present in chiller prog metal which is clearly the direction Tool is leaning imo, they lack the crushing atmosphere and all encompassing soundscapes that make post-metal what it is
@@coltonstevens4339 You could make that argument but prog metal has done the things tool do since before post metal was even really a thing, I could definitely see an argument that that side of prog metal is kind of like "proto post-metal" perhaps? Since it takes influence from post-rock, which would at least put Tool as post-metal adjacent, at the end of the day though as long as people know what you mean with how you use genre names they've served their purpose
Arguably, Altar of plagues is one of the best post blackmetal bands and super underrated. If you don't believe me. Go check their songs: Earth as a furnace. Watchers restraint: gentian truth. Atlantic light. Neptune is dead. Fether and bone. To start with.
This is the best video describing a music genre that I've seen. Not just explaining clearly all the aspects but also showing examples. Usually I see people copying straight from Wikipedia and being frustratingly vague.
This is very nice. As a decade long post-metal fan I really enjoy this video. You've brought some points that I haven't tought or missed (like Limp Bizkit). You deserved a sub and a bigger audience. Keep the good work going!
There's always a certain level of drug-induced influence in post-metal. Not just the stoner-rock inspired offshoots, but also something like drone metal. I just like to think of Sunn O)))'s sound as a representation of an extreme dissociative or psychedelic experience, when there's nothing in the material world to latch on to. So many people love to trip balls during their shows. Godspeed to them because I can't imagine going through that kind of hell and coming back to the real world.
My favourite post metal band is definitely Amenra and only because of them i know this genre exists. Does anyone got some recommendations for bands with similar sound and feel (very melancholic)?
My two cents: Neurosis, ISIS, Swans etc may have been experimental, but that is the origin of post-metal, much like post-rock came from bands repeating specific elements within the music of experimental bands like Godspeed. I also think you could have mentioned post-black metal bands like Mgla, Der Weg Einer Freheit, Liturgy etc, that don't mix in sludge like Cult of Luna or atmospheric black metal like Agalloch. Also, the combination of post-metal and post-punk/post-hardcore could have been mentioned, with bands like Amenra and Oathbreaker.
100% agreed. The pinnacle bands of a sub-genre shouldn't be those that are the most mediocre version of the genre. They should be the ones that embody the genre while standing out in quality and influence. Neurosis, Isis and Cult of Luna are THE ultimate post-metal bands and always have been.
Any other music I should check out that's similar to the "alternative + post metal" examples? Love that sound with half time beats and really full, melancholy sludgy(? Don't know if I'm using that word right) chords and soaring vocals. It kind of reminds me of Duster, and a little bit of Slowdive. Some crossover with shoegaze and emo?
Gojira and tool are literally some kind of post-music, bro like these 2 bands are so freaking unique and despite all the clear influences, they make every single note sound original, even weird and cool af
@@aryanpugilist literally the only post-metal band he even featured was cult of luna lmao. started off with so much promise, then by the time he tried to assert that tool was post-metal i tuned out lmfao
Post Metal involves Shoegaze, is a bit melodic and is a bit atmospheric or a bit more ambient sounding also described to have some Black Metal or Doom Metal influence.
Oh oh oh I have an example maybe of Downtempo Deathcore...it's the only one in their catalogue. Admiral Angry's A Fire To Burn Down The World. It's a good one. 20 minute song.
I still have a hard time understanding whats the essence of post metal. Might have to watch again lol Also would you say Tool isnt prog or less prog than post metal ?
Uh maybe. I dunno. It could just be personal bias, but I love Prog Metal and could never really get into Tool. Every time I tell someone I like Prog Metal, they say "oh like Tool". But its never had the same vibe to me. Maybe Prog Rock but not Prog Metal? Maybe a pedantic distinction, considering they obviously have metal in their sound. But I don't know why else I wouldn't dig them, because they aren't a bad band.
As for what makes Post Metal. The quiet then loud thing is a big part. From Tool to Deftones to Austere, the singing is marginally above whispering, but then the guitars are blaring in contrast. Another thing is the differentiated instrumentation. They stick out from one another. It almost sounds like a band recording their parts separately then mashing them together just slightly off, rather than playing as a unit like a band does live. Does that help?
@@whatsinameme5258 Yeah, Tool definitely sounds different than most if not all prog metal, but it's the same with prog rock. For me I always saw them as an alt metal (alt rock for 4th album) band with some prog records, and put them in my prog playlist to simplify stuff Wouldn't be surprised if they were a lot more post metal than prog, but some of their songs clearly don't look like they are (Eulogy, Aenema, Reflection, for example)
@@whatsinameme5258 As to what makes Post Metal. Yes it helps but it raises some question. In the case of Russian Circles, only band I've known to be post metal from what I listen to, are they an exception to those rules ? For me there is a good harmony between each instruments and instead of the quiet then loud thing, their song have a fluid progression and don't go from one end to another instantly
@@whatsinameme5258 From how you've described Post Metal and the choices of band, I've got the feeling it's barely different from Alt Metal. Korn could fit that description
Gojira fits here in a way but to be fair each of their albums is in a different genere. They are technical death mostly but they have pure Death in their earliest songs, you can see some groove, doom, deathcore variations. Some of their songs might be considered as math metal. I really enjoy listening to them but god knows what the actual style is called. In terms of lyrics metalcore?? Of course I am a huge fan and might be biased and I probably give them too much credit but they are weird.
hey man I think you got things mixed up at the very core of it all, and ended up not getting the Post-Metal and Post-Rock concept right this style of calm and other loud moments as you showed in the example of Slint is actually Post-Hardcore, it is necessary to understand that in addition to being one of the pioneers of Post-Rock, Slint is also an essential part of the Post-Hardcore scene, and Post- Hardcore is not a branch of Post-Rock, in fact it is older than Post-Rock, you end up confusing several Alt Metal bands with more atmospheric elements exactly because Alt Metal has a lot of influence from Post-Hardcore, Deftones for example, including actually the more atmospheric elements at the beginning of Deftones and actually the result of influences from Shoegaze and Dream Pop which, because they also focus a lot on atmosphere and texture, can end up confusing Post-Rock beginners, only later Deftones started to really take on elements from Post -Rock Post-Rock is a lighter and calmer subgenre, characteristic for giving more focus to the atmosphere and texture and moving away from traditional elements of Rock music, exemplifying not only the influence of Slowcore and even Psychedelia but also of styles outside of Rock such as Jazz, Ambient, Dub and etc. Post-Metal just takes this proposal and adapts it to a metallic sound, not necessarily Doom or Sludge, Post-Metal is its own genre of Metal with Post-Rock, and that's where the Atmospheric Sludge comes from when you put Post-Metal contact Sludge Tool is not really Post-Metal, it's just Alt Prog Metal, and it's... Limp Bizkit, Chevelle and Mastodon are definitely not Post-Metal
Gore was Deftones main display of Post-Metal. That's why nobody really fucked with it like that. It stemmed too far from there well-known Shoegaze counterpart.
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Songs used in order: Circle by Cult of Luna. Good Morning Captain by Slint. It's My Life by Talk Talk. Forty Six & 2 by Tool. Schism by Tool. Circle by Cult of Luna. In the Presence of Enemies Pt, 1 by Dream Theater. Blood and Thunder by Mastodon. The Outsider by A Perfect Circle. Be Quiet and Drive (Far Away) by Deftones. The Red by Chevelle. Underneath the Gun by Limp Bizkit. Head to the Barricade by Limp Bizkit. Not Unlike the Waves by Agalloch. Just for a Moment by Austere. Richard by Sunn O))). It Took the Night to Believe by Sunn O))). Too Close Enough to Touch by Khanate. Blew by Nirvana. Lat Oss Ta Allt Fran Varandra by Shining. Reject Existence by Forgotten Tomb. Entombed by Winter by Forgotten Tomb. Prince of Ash by Black Tongue. War Pigs (Black Sabbath Cover) by Acacia Strain. Young Cardinals by Alexisonfire. Silvera by Gojira.
You missed the OG's: NEUROSIS!!!!!
@@Thenewbronzeagecollapse do you know if godflesh is postmetal?
Surprises ISIS (the band) isn’t on here
@@dylanstevens2410 They don't get near enough love.
Was honestly surprised to see some DSBM on here. It's a horribly underappreciated genre that provides nigh unparalleled catharsis. Seriously, go check out the album Dipsomania by Psychonaut 4. It's full of haunting melodies, some of the most emotionally charged shrieks (I've got no other word for it) that I've ever heard, and just creates this beautiful, melancholy atmosphere that's great for working your shit out in.
Most forgotten "major" subgenre of metal imo
Definitely. People tend to call Deftones Nu Metal and call Tool Prog Metal which I think just confuses people.
@@whatsinameme5258 Deftones definitely isn't nu metal but it has some slightly influence on it on Adrenaline while slowly drifted away from the genre. While Tool grandiosely added more prog in Lateralus.
@@zackzallie8735 most of this list he put together isn't post-metal. How are you not going to even reference Neurosis?
Man as much as I love Tool, I hate the stigma of being a Tool fan. We are the rick and morty fanbase of metal or they are the Tool fanbase of TV. Good vid though 👌👌
fan bases ruin everything, just break the mold of the stereotype.
P.S. He turned himself into a pickle, funniest thing I've ever heard of
That was tool's point anyway
One band really worth checking out is Boris. Their discography is massive and explores many genres such a jpop, punk, noise and hard rock but the core of their sound is huge sludgy riffs and walls of feedback interspersed with soft clean interludes with lots of spaced out guitar melodies.
I also include anything that could be described as 'blackgaze' as post metal e.g. alcest, deafheaven, ghost bath.
Also, also, I can hear fans of funeral doom getting real mad at the claim that drone metal is the slowest subgenre.
Boris rules. Good live show too
Video idea popped into my head: the differences between genres that have similarities. Such as Thrash vs Hardcore, Grunge vs early 90'S Alternative Metal, Power Pop vs Pop Punk, etc.
It's so nice to see TOOL referenced with post-metal. Been trying to tell people for years that they have some very good post-metal and sludge songs, but they just think I'm wrong.
tool has some sludgt songs but they're not sludge, maybe flood and swamp song that's really it
@@LysergiaBandOfficial I'd say most of Aenima is sludge/post-metal. Hooker with a penis the Prime example.
Tool is hated for a very strange reason it seems. I like their style very much but never got into them
@@呼吸-e9b the fans suck thats why
@@呼吸-e9b I love Tool, but most of the diehard fans are ridiculous. That's probably the main reason why the band is hated, those fans think Tool is the greatest band in the universe and god forbid if you disagree with them...
I usually use post-metal label to describe heavier post-rock bands like Russian Circles.
You would be more correct than what this video attempted then lol
That's a very interesting point, and I've thought about before. I think there is a distinction between post rock that went metal, and metal that went post. In my head I call Russian Circles "metallic post rock" and Neurosis "post-metal".
It's so cool of you to mention Agalloch. They're probably my biggest musical influence
The opening of Ashes Against The Grain (Limbs) is soooo post-rock that it can't be more post-rock :-)) Also glad that they were mentioned.
My all-time favorite band!!
Also, when talking about Post Metal/ Drone and it's relation to Grunge, Earth is definately worth mentioning
Great video, post-metal and post-black have been my favorite parts of metal for years so I have some recommendations:
Post-metal: ISIS, Rosetta, Neurosis, Jesu (some of Godflesh's stuff kind of overlaps), Russian Circles
Post-black metal/blackgaze (which is black metal+shoegaze): Sadness, Deafheaven, Agalloch, Violet Cold, Falaise, Sylvaine
try Ulcerate brother, you will love them
I never really thought of TOOL or Deftones being post-metal, but this video really opened me up to the idea. It shows that artists and bands don’t have to be defined by one genre and take influences from all kinds of music.
There's definitely a post-rock and even shoegaze element in Deftones.
Tool are a prog rock band with alternative metal and post-rock elements but with a psychedelic aesthetic
@@sonder152 when i first heard deftones my mind was screaming shoegaze
@@aixide I genuinely don't hear the shoegaze in Deftones. Don't listen to much of them, though.
They are not.
I mean post metal fits Deftones better than any Metal
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The most quintessential band in this genre which shocks me wasn't even mentioned here is Isis.
No love for Isis? They are what introduced me to the sound of post-metal. Nice take on the genre though.
I certainly like that more people are talking about Post Metal since for me it has what metal lacked in past decades that were filled with monetary desires (which is normal but it can corruptive for the creativity) and years fueled by having fun time with groupies and crap like that, and that is integrity. On the sonic side even tho Tool is one of my favorite bands i really don't relate them to Post Metal even tho they share certain traits with the bands that i do put into Post Metal. They are very progressive,tribal, psychedelic feel and pretentiousness (most of the progressive stuff is, there is no shame in that and it is probably the reason why im attracted to that music) however they lack the intensity, dark atmosphere, sludge and doom feel and those are characteristics that are most important for the genre in my honest opinion. As for Deftones, for me they aren't even up for debate to be in the genre, they are a great band however they lack even more of the things that i mentioned in the Tool part. Agalloch and the rest of the phenomenal progressive/folk black metal bands deserve their own genere i feel. For me Neurosis is the Pinnacle of what Post-Metal should be followed by Isis and Cult of Luna. However you can debate that maybe the name Post-Metal inherently means that these bands refused to bring cliches from the Metal and probably one of the things that is the most cliche are the rough vocals. So maybe you can say that the Bands like Russian Circles and Pelican that are instrumental bands, represent what Post-Metal actually is in its purest form even tho Neurosis singlehandedly created the genre.
I was kinda expecting you to mention Neurosis. Specifically Through silver in blood album that went with a more tribal sound and their use of repetition. Great video after all.
I actually listened to some Neurosis in prep for this video, and I thought about including them, but I almost thought it was TOO experimental. Like to the point it sounded like Avant Garde Metal to some degree. I can see how they may have been influential to the Post Metal style, but I wasn't entirely sure about including them. I wanted to make a video about the sound itself, rather than the history of the genre, where a mention of them would be warranted. Maybe I listened to the wrong album.
was honestly gonna click off when I saw neurosis wasn't gonna be included but I'm glad I stayed. to me their work from TSIB onward is the best example of post-metal I can think of
@@whatsinameme5258 Experimental, yes, but nonetheless probably THE key post-metal band
@@whatsinameme5258 I think they have had a lot of influence in extreme metal, especially in that scene that is called avantgarde / blackened death metal for example in bands like Ulcerate, pyrrhon ...
@@whatsinameme5258 bruh, you can't claim they were too on the fringe, but then throw in Tool and Deftones LMAO.
They literally DEFINED what post-metal as a genre. Throw out stuff like The Eye of Every Storm if you like, they are about as post-metal as it gets.
This channel deserves more views.
Didn’t even know post-metal existed, I’m liking some the songs you shown in this video definitely gonna check them out. Keep up the great content!
That is interesting I have always heard that by leaps and bounds the most quitessential Post-metal band was Isis, with Cult of Luna and Neurosis both as close seconds.
No ISIS?
one of the best post metal bands imo
Or Neurosis either. Or Pelican. Yeah, this video was a definite swing-and-a-miss
Isis, Neurosis, Rosetta.
Post metal is how I got into metal. I didn't even know it, but the second I heard bands like Jakob, and Russian circles, I was hooked. I've heard the classic stuff, but post metal was my first journey into the complicated mess that is metal.
I think I love it because it creates soundscapes to lose yourself in. Black metal gets repetitive, but post metal has this feeling of as you said, clarity. It doesn't feel like anxiety like black metal does. EYRTH is a great band for anyone who's familiar with doom, but wants something a bit more posty.
I love cult of luna they introduced me into this whole genre
Hold up, a post metal video without a mention of Neurosis? (And by the way I find The Ocean to be a good example of the sound as well.)
Gotta include Neurosis. You just say Sun for Sunn O )))
THROUGH SILVER IN BLOOOOOOOOOD
I literally NEVER heard anyone refer to Tool as " Post Metal"...It's Progressive Metal. I don't hear how they are simmiliar to Isis, Neurosis, Cult Of Luna etc. Totally different Genre
Well, Tool isn't a Post-Metal band, but in a video where Limp Bizkit and Sunn O))) are described as Post Metal...
@@randomavenger3048 lmao, honestly
Check Out Envy (Japanese screamo band) imo one Of the best bands that mixes Post Rock and Shoegaze With Heavier Genres like Hardcore punk and they were a huge influence In the Blackgaze scene
Mariner by Cult of Luna is my fav post metal album. Was really glad to see circle by cult of luna in the intro
Nice to see Austere getting a mention - I never thought of them as mixing post-metal with black metal; always considered them to be DSBM. (As a side note, my old band, Lyrinx, did a split with Austere years ago.)
I feel like post-black metal, DSBM and blackgaze tend to overlap each other quite a lot.
Yes. It is a mix of Post Metal and Depressive Black Metal.
In my case atmospheric black metal, but i guess you can call that a lot
@@davidritz2921 Austere = atmospheric black metal? I don't really see that, especially not in the song 'Just For a Moment', that was played in this vid.
holy shit you were in lyrinx? i love these guys
i love this channel, it's making me discovering a lot of bands
I really like your channel. Went through all the videos in a short period of time.
It's funny how some of your examples for each style surprise me, I initially have a gut reaction, but then when you explain it I'm like "ooh it actually makes sense". Also appreciate your memetic perspective of genres. Keep pushing these out!
i just discovered this channel and im in love, your music taste is insanely good and im discovering so many great bands, way better than those shitty music gurus that make album reviews and genere explanations. Great content
You might enjoy ISIS's record "Panopticon".
Oceanic > Panopticon
As much as the memes about TOOL can ring true with their cringey fans, they’re still fucking incredible. Danny Carey’s drums never go unappreciated
is it me or has the ''annoying tool fan'' become a strawmen
@@swanswanswanswanswanswanswan oh absolutely. To be fair, I don’t use social media besides occasionally Reddit, but I don’t see annoying TOOL fans on there. Could be different for TH-cam/Facebook/twitter tho
TOOL and Black Tongue are 2 of my all time favorite bands haha it’s cool to see how they’re connected
Great video!
Can you make a videos about:
• DSBM
• Blackgaze
• Post Black Metal (band ex: Skyforest)
• Folk Doom Metal (band ex: Uaral)
• Pagan Black Metal (band ex: Menhir)
• Pirate Metal (Bands ex: Alestorm, wuthering heights)
• Power Meral
You've definitely earned my subscription. I've been rocking out to _Underneath the Sun_ for the last few days thanks to this video. I explained to a friend how I'd discovered a Limp Bizkit song that I didn't think was unequivocal shite, and he politely suggested that I'd get my head checked.
On a more serious note, I'd like to recommend the band Ulcerate. They mix post-metal with technical death metal, resulting in a sound that is both cataclysmic, but also fast-paced and unbelievably dense. I'd especially recommend their 2009 release _Everything is Fire_ - generally considered their greatest work so far.
I would say British band Oceansize is post metal, because they combined post rock, alternative metal, space rock and shoegaze into some unique, but some would call them progressive metal.
I’ve listened to two of their albums in full: Everyone Into Position and Frames and I would describe them as mostly prog rock in the vein of Porcupine Tree with a heavy sprinkling of post rock and prog metal
And what about... Amenra??
I'm not much of a genre gatekeeper, but I feel like some points you make about post metal could have been better researched . The analogy about it being "a moment of reflection or realization" is amazing, but I feel like you've left out bands like Isis, Neurosis and Amenra, who arguably represent the big 3 of post metal. Tool and Mastodon definitely have strong "post" elements but their core is firmly in a different sound and more straightforward song structure
Completely agreed
I think he got Cult of Luna right on the nose, but yeah some of the other biggest post-metal bands are all missing. Isis, Neurosis, Amenra, and even The Ocean (which have prog tendencies)> I always thought Tool was Prog band with Post influences and The Ocean a Post Metal band with Prog influences.
My God... This is such a good channel...
more metal more metal more metaaaaaal \m/ i really like your channel
Great video as usual. Can't wait for the Metalcore installment. 👍
Tool is Progessive Metal they never left the genre completely in my opinion.
alternative, prog, post, etc.
they fit under those subgenres and others for sure; Adam Jones even infuses Djent on 10k Days & Fear Inoculum in the more rhythmic portions of the records too.
Cult of Luna doesn’t get the love they deserve
Devil Sold His Soul- fantastic post-metalcore band. Literally makes you get lost in a trance… then MOSH… then get lost again in a trance.
Cult of Luna
Hey, I enjoyed the video! I was looking up information on this genre after enjoying the most recent Cult of Luna album (which was my first time listening to them, btw.) Stuff like this is very helpful to me, as I've recently been trying to learning more about the various sub-genres of metal. I listened to a lot of popular metalcore, classic thrash, and prog metal when I was in high school (about a decade ago) but have only touched a little bit of metal between back then and earlier this year (when I decided I was going to dive in deeper to the massive world of metal that I only heard in passing previously.)
However, I have listened to a ton of Post-Hardcore and I was really taken aback by you saying that Post-Hardcore was an offshoot of Post-Rock. I think there's a fair amount of crossover and shared DNA in their early histories (most notably, Slint) but Post-Hardcore was primarily born out of pushing the boundaries of the 80s hardcore punk scene and trying to take the sound in a more varied and artistic direction. I think both Post-Hardcore and Post-Rock both sought to push boundaries and drew inspiration from No Wave, Noise Rock, and Experimental Rock, but early Post-Hardcore has a much more tangible relation to Hardcore Punk (and especially the DC scene) than most of Post-Rock, (at least to my knowledge.)
So with that in mind, Post-Hardcore obviously bears a similarity to Metalcore because they share a major common ancestor in Hardcore Punk. Plus, throughout the evolution of Post-Hardcore, there's plenty of Metal influences and stylings that tend to show up. Mathcore immediately comes to mind for me (although I've heard some people say Mathcore isn't metal, but is strictly a more extreme version of Post-Hardcore.) There's also some bands that are pretty firmly in the Post-Hardcore category like Thrice, but tracks like "Deadbolt" or "The Earth Will Shake" have unmistakable influences from more classic metal genres. I honestly interpreted the "Metalcore" genre label to refer to a combination of the Post-Hardcore and Metal in reference to a lot of the Emo-flavored metal bands of the late 2000's before I had been exposed to the more "Metallic Hardcore" sound.
I recognize that this is very nitpick-y on my part, you probably said less than 5 sentences related to post-hardcore in the video and I know that wasn't really the point at all. I just wanted to share an alternative perspective to that term, specifically. If you have some info or perspective that I'm totally lacking there, I'm super open to that, too. Keep up the good work!
It is a little bit strange that you haven't mentioned Katatonia in this doom metal course. I found out about this genre after listening their "Brave Murder Day" album. And I love it till present day 😍
P.S.: I hope your black metal course will be as long as this one
I don't think you can realistically consider Tool to be a post-metal band, they take a few aspects of the sound, but those aspects are also present in chiller prog metal which is clearly the direction Tool is leaning imo, they lack the crushing atmosphere and all encompassing soundscapes that make post-metal what it is
You could say they're prog metal with post-metal influence
@@coltonstevens4339 You could make that argument but prog metal has done the things tool do since before post metal was even really a thing, I could definitely see an argument that that side of prog metal is kind of like "proto post-metal" perhaps? Since it takes influence from post-rock, which would at least put Tool as post-metal adjacent, at the end of the day though as long as people know what you mean with how you use genre names they've served their purpose
Arguably, Altar of plagues is one of the best post blackmetal bands and super underrated. If you don't believe me.
Go check their songs:
Earth as a furnace.
Watchers restraint: gentian truth.
Atlantic light.
Neptune is dead.
Fether and bone.
To start with.
And don't forget Burnt Year which is one of the most devastating songs I've ever heard. Truly underrated.
Mammal is a masterpiece
@@charliebrouun6510 Dude... That's some good shit.
@@bernardocatrilef2846 There isn't an EP or album I don't love. White tomb really does it for me, as much as mammal.
Thanks for the recommendation. These guys are amazing
The Acacia Strain's ep/single "It Comes in Waves" has some post metal moments, worth checking out and it's quite different from their other stuff
Good timing, considering we lost a legendary figure from the post-metal scene, Scott Kelly.
The guy really let us down... Really unfortunate
What? Scott Kelly is dead? My day is ruined, he is a legend.
@@TrueKivan not dead but retired
@@TrueKivan He canceled himself; he admitted to being a wife-beater and an abuser to his own children.
@@TrueKivan Turned out to be an abuser.
Turns out I've been listening to post metal for a while...now I have new bands to listen to!
I enjoyed this, thanks for posting. You should check out ISIS and Pelican, Neurosis might fit this style as well.
They ARE the style... More representative than anything he listed lol
This is the best video describing a music genre that I've seen. Not just explaining clearly all the aspects but also showing examples. Usually I see people copying straight from Wikipedia and being frustratingly vague.
Yeah, except he got it completely wrong lol. Cult of Luna was about the only time he was over the target
This is very nice. As a decade long post-metal fan I really enjoy this video. You've brought some points that I haven't tought or missed (like Limp Bizkit). You deserved a sub and a bigger audience. Keep the good work going!
Man, I fucking love agalloch
Drone metal is like writing Doom while OD'ing on h
No mention of Isis, the best thing to come from the genre? Good work though.
Isis is the best post metal band.
im surprised the band "the ocean" isn't in here, they were probably one of the most influential post-metal bands out there imo
Cant wait for the black metal episode
Back in the 90’s we just called Tool alternative metal
wouldn't tool be considered alt metal/prog?
ehhhh, maybe.
Yes. Certainly not post-metal
Why not all 3
There's always a certain level of drug-induced influence in post-metal. Not just the stoner-rock inspired offshoots, but also something like drone metal. I just like to think of Sunn O)))'s sound as a representation of an extreme dissociative or psychedelic experience, when there's nothing in the material world to latch on to. So many people love to trip balls during their shows. Godspeed to them because I can't imagine going through that kind of hell and coming back to the real world.
A Great video! btw Metalcore would be awesome as it's huge.
Would you be interested in doing a video on black metal?
Yes I will, its just there is a lot of styles to cover. I will get there!
My favourite post metal band is definitely Amenra and only because of them i know this genre exists. Does anyone got some recommendations for bands with similar sound and feel (very melancholic)?
Kuaun
Mouth of the Architect
Neurosis, Isis and Cult of Luna. Amenra essentially took their sound from Neurosis (they also did a few collabs with them).
Oh and also check out just about anything on the Church of Ra label that the Amenra folks started (I think).
I'm glad there is Aggaloch in the list, weird no one mentioned ISIS (I mean the band, what an unfortunate name)
Great video, my favorite subgenre of Post Rock. But where the heck is ISIS?!?!?!?!
Post-Metal but no mention of ISIS, Rosetta, Neurosis, SUMAC, Russian Circles, Amenra??? Very bold
FORGOTTEN TOMB ♥️ pls make another black metal video! Ur channel is awesome
When I think of post metal I think of stuff like spirtbox EP , tool , Deftones , etc
7:32 Sunn O))) is just pronounced as "Sun"
drone metal is basically heavy white nose with vocals
Meantioning Deftones and Tool in a Post-Metal Video but not ISIS or Neurosis? Weird...
My two cents:
Neurosis, ISIS, Swans etc may have been experimental, but that is the origin of post-metal, much like post-rock came from bands repeating specific elements within the music of experimental bands like Godspeed.
I also think you could have mentioned post-black metal bands like Mgla, Der Weg Einer Freheit, Liturgy etc, that don't mix in sludge like Cult of Luna or atmospheric black metal like Agalloch.
Also, the combination of post-metal and post-punk/post-hardcore could have been mentioned, with bands like Amenra and Oathbreaker.
100% agreed. The pinnacle bands of a sub-genre shouldn't be those that are the most mediocre version of the genre. They should be the ones that embody the genre while standing out in quality and influence. Neurosis, Isis and Cult of Luna are THE ultimate post-metal bands and always have been.
Lots of useful info thanks
Any other music I should check out that's similar to the "alternative + post metal" examples? Love that sound with half time beats and really full, melancholy sludgy(? Don't know if I'm using that word right) chords and soaring vocals. It kind of reminds me of Duster, and a little bit of Slowdive. Some crossover with shoegaze and emo?
Gojira and tool are literally some kind of post-music, bro like these 2 bands are so freaking unique and despite all the clear influences, they make every single note sound original, even weird and cool af
Thank you kind sir.
dang no mention of pelican, isis, or neurosis??
Quite the letdown
Yeah, not sure why he talked more about shit that isn't Post Metal at all and didn't even mention Post Metal bands 😂
@@aryanpugilist literally the only post-metal band he even featured was cult of luna lmao. started off with so much promise, then by the time he tried to assert that tool was post-metal i tuned out lmfao
@@FremontMetalHead glad you noticed too haha! then again he also thinks that Grunge is a genre so 😂
Post Metal involves Shoegaze, is a bit melodic and is a bit atmospheric or a bit more ambient sounding also described to have some Black Metal or Doom Metal influence.
Original Post Metal supposed to be.
Takes a different path to Thrash Metal and the similars.
No, Neurosis created post metal. And ambience influence comes from bands like Coil and artists like Brian Eno as they have stated many times.
chiados and dance gavin dance are great post hardcore bands
Secret band
Idk how I would call Silvera but definitely not prog
LET'S MENTION OATHBRAKER, THE ABSOLUTE PINACLE ON THE GENRE
did homie really not mention Isis? weird.
Very
No isis? really?
TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
Any recommendations ala Conjurer?
Oh oh oh I have an example maybe of Downtempo Deathcore...it's the only one in their catalogue. Admiral Angry's A Fire To Burn Down The World. It's a good one. 20 minute song.
...it might just be a Doom track though. Probably not Downtempo Deathcore.
I still have a hard time understanding whats the essence of post metal. Might have to watch again lol
Also would you say Tool isnt prog or less prog than post metal ?
Uh maybe. I dunno. It could just be personal bias, but I love Prog Metal and could never really get into Tool. Every time I tell someone I like Prog Metal, they say "oh like Tool". But its never had the same vibe to me. Maybe Prog Rock but not Prog Metal? Maybe a pedantic distinction, considering they obviously have metal in their sound. But I don't know why else I wouldn't dig them, because they aren't a bad band.
As for what makes Post Metal. The quiet then loud thing is a big part. From Tool to Deftones to Austere, the singing is marginally above whispering, but then the guitars are blaring in contrast. Another thing is the differentiated instrumentation. They stick out from one another. It almost sounds like a band recording their parts separately then mashing them together just slightly off, rather than playing as a unit like a band does live. Does that help?
@@whatsinameme5258 Yeah, Tool definitely sounds different than most if not all prog metal, but it's the same with prog rock. For me I always saw them as an alt metal (alt rock for 4th album) band with some prog records, and put them in my prog playlist to simplify stuff
Wouldn't be surprised if they were a lot more post metal than prog, but some of their songs clearly don't look like they are (Eulogy, Aenema, Reflection, for example)
@@whatsinameme5258 As to what makes Post Metal. Yes it helps but it raises some question. In the case of Russian Circles, only band I've known to be post metal from what I listen to, are they an exception to those rules ? For me there is a good harmony between each instruments and instead of the quiet then loud thing, their song have a fluid progression and don't go from one end to another instantly
@@whatsinameme5258 From how you've described Post Metal and the choices of band, I've got the feeling it's barely different from Alt Metal. Korn could fit that description
Gojira fits here in a way but to be fair each of their albums is in a different genere. They are technical death mostly but they have pure Death in their earliest songs, you can see some groove, doom, deathcore variations. Some of their songs might be considered as math metal. I really enjoy listening to them but god knows what the actual style is called. In terms of lyrics metalcore?? Of course I am a huge fan and might be biased and I probably give them too much credit but they are weird.
video on post rock when
Subscribed for the Agalloch mention
hey man I think you got things mixed up at the very core of it all, and ended up not getting the Post-Metal and Post-Rock concept right
this style of calm and other loud moments as you showed in the example of Slint is actually Post-Hardcore, it is necessary to understand that in addition to being one of the pioneers of Post-Rock, Slint is also an essential part of the Post-Hardcore scene, and Post- Hardcore is not a branch of Post-Rock, in fact it is older than Post-Rock, you end up confusing several Alt Metal bands with more atmospheric elements exactly because Alt Metal has a lot of influence from Post-Hardcore, Deftones for example, including actually the more atmospheric elements at the beginning of Deftones and actually the result of influences from Shoegaze and Dream Pop which, because they also focus a lot on atmosphere and texture, can end up confusing Post-Rock beginners, only later Deftones started to really take on elements from Post -Rock
Post-Rock is a lighter and calmer subgenre, characteristic for giving more focus to the atmosphere and texture and moving away from traditional elements of Rock music, exemplifying not only the influence of Slowcore and even Psychedelia but also of styles outside of Rock such as Jazz, Ambient, Dub and etc.
Post-Metal just takes this proposal and adapts it to a metallic sound, not necessarily Doom or Sludge, Post-Metal is its own genre of Metal with Post-Rock, and that's where the Atmospheric Sludge comes from when you put Post-Metal contact Sludge
Tool is not really Post-Metal, it's just Alt Prog Metal, and it's... Limp Bizkit, Chevelle and Mastodon are definitely not Post-Metal
Groove metal meets post metal
The godzilla one
Gojira is definitely some sort of post-metal
Yeah, nope
Good video dude, can’t wait
To me, this song of Gojira is Sepultura meets Tool.
Gore was Deftones main display of Post-Metal. That's why nobody really fucked with it like that. It stemmed too far from there well-known Shoegaze counterpart.
nicely done video man 👍