I think sawstop is good technology, but I’m not sure if I would buy one, I have a Dewalt table saw and I’ve never had an accident using a table saw in 30 years, people have accidents driving cars but not everyone drives the safest cars on the market, why because they can’t afford it,
Good review & you can't put a price on safely. All I'm waiting for are the cabinet saws arriving, but that’s next year at some point. Unless your sawstop guy knows differently.
Sawstop is good technology, but I’m not sure if I would buy one, I have a Dewalt and I’ve never had an accident using a table saws in 30 years, lots of people have accidents in cars but they don’t go out and buy the safest cars on the market,
At the end of the day, it’s a tablesaw , with a USP, I agree with spiller, if you’re extra careful, take your time. You can count all your fingers 10 years later, !
Its easily done. I did the tips of my fingers on a circular saw . Stupidly not waiting for the blade to stop and adjusted the parrelel fence. The next day in the hospital at the plastic surgeons told me 3 joiners had taken fingers off . So I wasn't the only idiot. Then they tell you all the options and the risks and depending on which option you go you could be off work for a year as the risk of infection is too high . I ended up being off for about 3 or 4 months i wast risking an infection. I did mine over 10 years ago and the fingers i did still tingle to this day with all the nerve ends getting cut
Thank you for sharing your story, accidents can happen in an instance to the most professional person such as you in a heartbeat, the thing I am finding is that people are looking at the price over thinking about the consequence of what it would mean to them if they where unfortunate enough to have an accident. I feel that anything we do to mitigate risk must be a good thing??? What if anything have you changed since your injuries???
@@ukconstructionYes but the cartridges are £80 every time you hit a nail or staple or wet patch. Don’t you think in this day and age a better solution could have been invented without having to destroy a cartridge and cost £80? Don’t get me wrong I would gladly pay £80 as many times as it saved my fingers but not for going through an unseen wet patch!
I was wondering when the pricing would pop up as that is probably the only obstacle to this saw cleaning up the competition. Looking at the American chanels where Saw Stop is prolific, I've always thought the compact strongly resembles the baby DeWalt. A cursory search shows the DeWalt is half the price. I agree with the 'what price safety' school of thought, but think that's steep for an additional bit of tech. If the cartidge is 80 Pounds Stirling then where did the other 370 go? I haven't been able to compare the 2 obviously, but is there actually value in that 370?
I have an issue with the cartridge marketing model that is upside down and back to front. The free cartridges should be for all activations that do not save a finger. The purpose of the technology is to save fingers not charge you a fortune for a staple or bit of wet timber.
The problem I have with SawStop is that they profess to be all about safety. But Bosche created a saw with similar safety features, except instead of a break that also destroys your blade and an expensive cartridge (and blade) to replace, their saw had a mechanism that instantly retracted the saw blade beneath the table top and did NOT destroy the blade. I don't remember whether or not there was any sort of replacement cartridge, but it was equally effective/safe and less expensive for similar quality. But Sawstop sued them for copyright infringement, even though their safety feature had an entirely different (better designed & less wasteful) mechinism. I still can't figure out how they won that lawsuit, but it forced Bosche to stop making the saw, allowing sawstop to wildly inflate the price of their saws in addition to the expence of replacement cartridges and new blades. Of course it is an excellent saw, but because it has no other competition they can basically charge whatever they want (and do). So claiming that it's all about safety is only half the story. It's equally about maintaining a monopoly so they can price gouge their custumers.
Well, interesting, as the fence resembles ALL the key features of the Dewalt‘s. It just looks like a one-to-one copy. Sawstop fixed one of Dewalt‘s minor flaws with the micro adjustment feature on the angle dial. But that’s it. I bet even the mitre fence is the same kind of crap. 🙄 So who is talking about copyright?
In the previous video they said it was free IF the log showed it had contacted a finger rather than a sausage or wet wood. Presumably it records the characteristics of the electrical trigger.
What’s the situation in the wet though? This is the UK and any outside work is at some point going to involve an accidental rain shower. Will the blade automatically crash? How many expensive rblades have been replaced due to rain rather than sausages?
I wonder how many of these are in use with the feature permanently turned off after one too many false triggers. A new blade and a new cartridge each time could start to get expensive.
Twice the price of my (no longer made) Dewalt and - more importantly - nearly 50% heavier. I'll stick with my Dewalt. Even more worserer, you can't even cut your snarler in half if you want to share your lunch...
I do like the look of the compact saw, but I probably won’t buy one, I might buy a Volvo or Mercedes because they have crumple zones and other safety technology, oh no I won’t I can’t afford it.
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Not heard of this brand ...
Looks good quality.
I hardly ever use the guard on my Dewalt table saw, it just gets in the way but I do use the riving knife.
I think sawstop is good technology, but I’m not sure if I would buy one, I have a Dewalt table saw and I’ve never had an accident using a table saw in 30 years, people have accidents driving cars but not everyone drives the safest cars on the market, why because they can’t afford it,
It's good for new tradespeople or apprentices that are learning to use saws
Good review & you can't put a price on safely. All I'm waiting for are the cabinet saws arriving, but that’s next year at some point. Unless your sawstop guy knows differently.
Does the brake still work after you turn the saw off and the blade is winding down?
Is it true that despite saving several customers' hands, 83 SawStop staff died of heart disease last year through eating too many processed sausages?
That could happen!! I have eaten three!!!!
😂
Many did die suddenly no sausages in sight
I agree rob! No price on safety! ❤
Sawstop is good technology, but I’m not sure if I would buy one, I have a Dewalt and I’ve never had an accident using a table saws in 30 years, lots of people have accidents in cars but they don’t go out and buy the safest cars on the market,
At the end of the day, it’s a tablesaw , with a USP, I agree with spiller, if you’re extra careful, take your time. You can count all your fingers 10 years later, !
I've never had an accident on a table saw. Doesn't mean it won't happen. Be careful
Good vid showing details - thx
Glad it was helpful!
Its easily done. I did the tips of my fingers on a circular saw . Stupidly not waiting for the blade to stop and adjusted the parrelel fence. The next day in the hospital at the plastic surgeons told me 3 joiners had taken fingers off . So I wasn't the only idiot. Then they tell you all the options and the risks and depending on which option you go you could be off work for a year as the risk of infection is too high . I ended up being off for about 3 or 4 months i wast risking an infection. I did mine over 10 years ago and the fingers i did still tingle to this day with all the nerve ends getting cut
Thank you for sharing your story, accidents can happen in an instance to the most professional person such as you in a heartbeat, the thing I am finding is that people are looking at the price over thinking about the consequence of what it would mean to them if they where unfortunate enough to have an accident. I feel that anything we do to mitigate risk must be a good thing??? What if anything have you changed since your injuries???
@@ukconstructionYes but the cartridges are £80 every time you hit a nail or staple or wet patch. Don’t you think in this day and age a better solution could have been invented without having to destroy a cartridge and cost £80? Don’t get me wrong I would gladly pay £80 as many times as it saved my fingers but not for going through an unseen wet patch!
I was wondering when the pricing would pop up as that is probably the only obstacle to this saw cleaning up the competition. Looking at the American chanels where Saw Stop is prolific, I've always thought the compact strongly resembles the baby DeWalt. A cursory search shows the DeWalt is half the price. I agree with the 'what price safety' school of thought, but think that's steep for an additional bit of tech. If the cartidge is 80 Pounds Stirling then where did the other 370 go? I haven't been able to compare the 2 obviously, but is there actually value in that 370?
The compact saw will be £900 and the bigger Jobsite portable will be £1500 quite expensive.
@@spilleradam thanks. I've been looking for the prices since they announced the UK delivery. Need to start saving.
Can you retro fit the sawstop mechanism to an older machine, I'm waiting for this to be possible. Until then I'll take my chances
I have an issue with the cartridge marketing model that is upside down and back to front. The free cartridges should be for all activations that do not save a finger. The purpose of the technology is to save fingers not charge you a fortune for a staple or bit of wet timber.
Robin, I think you were alluding to the fact that it doesn't like wet timber,
what about using it in the rain?
You can turn the safety feature off when cutting wet timber
The problem I have with SawStop is that they profess to be all about safety. But Bosche created a saw with similar safety features, except instead of a break that also destroys your blade and an expensive cartridge (and blade) to replace, their saw had a mechanism that instantly retracted the saw blade beneath the table top and did NOT destroy the blade. I don't remember whether or not there was any sort of replacement cartridge, but it was equally effective/safe and less expensive for similar quality. But Sawstop sued them for copyright infringement, even though their safety feature had an entirely different (better designed & less wasteful) mechinism. I still can't figure out how they won that lawsuit, but it forced Bosche to stop making the saw, allowing sawstop to wildly inflate the price of their saws in addition to the expence of replacement cartridges and new blades.
Of course it is an excellent saw, but because it has no other competition they can basically charge whatever they want (and do). So claiming that it's all about safety is only half the story. It's equally about maintaining a monopoly so they can price gouge their custumers.
Well, interesting, as the fence resembles ALL the key features of the Dewalt‘s. It just looks like a one-to-one copy.
Sawstop fixed one of Dewalt‘s minor flaws with the micro adjustment feature on the angle dial. But that’s it. I bet even the mitre fence is the same kind of crap. 🙄
So who is talking about copyright?
What a fantastic product, I do wonder what else a system like that could be applied too.
Yes Sam, I am wondering the same!!!!
@@ukconstruction I guess it’s ergonomics that would make it challenging, things like circular saws could really benefit from this type of system.
How much is the brake cartridge that needs to be replaced after the safety system kicks in?
In the previous video they said it was free IF the log showed it had contacted a finger rather than a sausage or wet wood. Presumably it records the characteristics of the electrical trigger.
What’s the situation in the wet though? This is the UK and any outside work is at some point going to involve an accidental rain shower. Will the blade automatically crash? How many expensive rblades have been replaced due to rain rather than sausages?
I've used it in the rain. Nothing happened
I wonder how many of these are in use with the feature permanently turned off after one too many false triggers. A new blade and a new cartridge each time could start to get expensive.
Where can i order one
Havnt Festool got the same thing on their saw
Yes, SawStop is owned by Festool
I'm interested in one but they've not said how 'soon'? This year? Next year? When?
November time
@@ukconstruction Thanks Robin, thats great news.
Twice the price of my (no longer made) Dewalt and - more importantly - nearly 50% heavier. I'll stick with my Dewalt. Even more worserer, you can't even cut your snarler in half if you want to share your lunch...
All you need now is some good carpentry work, but that’s difficult to find in England.
England, USA, Australia... especially Ireland ... carpentry you'd be jailed for on the continent 🗯
I do like the look of the compact saw, but I probably won’t buy one, I might buy a Volvo or Mercedes because they have crumple zones and other safety technology, oh no I won’t I can’t afford it.