@markheckman3987 I 100% agree with your comment. But I believe they establish that RA is BridgeGuy. And BG killed those two girls Abby and Libby. They established that RA made confessions. I believe on February 13 2017 RA was in a state of awareness when he decided to go hunting for an easy target. I believe he got spooked and, like a lot of attackers quickly panic, as BG planned fantasy faced a hickup
I will continue to follow Katie after this trial regardless of the outcome because she is one of the few professionals willing to say there isn’t enough evidence. Katie has a brain and doesn’t want to make everyone happy she just wants facts.
I have never seen reporting like this! This is old fashioned journalism at it's best. If I ever needed an attorney I would trust Katy with my life! She is smart, concise, logical, and articulate. Having her on the team has elevated the professional level and helped the viewer sort out the details better. I haved watched this pogram along with TH-cam creator Lawyer Lee to compare reporting. I have been pleasantly surprised that the notes your team has taken and what Lawyer Lee took has been very detailed and almost exactly the same each night. I am much more informed because of these people. Thank you so much for your dedication and care for the truth! Anna from Logansport.
The burden of proof lies with the prosecution, and they failed these poor girls miserably. If I were on the jury, I would have to say not guilty. Each piece of evidence the state has presented, the defence provided more than enough reasonable doubt for. I'm so sad for Abby and Libby's families. ❤ from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
It’s sad that the police didn’t get the right person but if the jury finds RA not guilty than true justice for the girls and families would be served because there is too much reasonable doubt. Just because there’s a body in jail does not equal justice. There has to be the actual killer in prison!!
@bunnyluver2176 That's what I think, too. I think there are likely multiple other people involved. LE would have been under immense pressure to solve this case, and having absolutely nothing on anyone, Richard Allen was thrown up as a plausible patsy. He had placed himself on the bridge that day and was local to the area. I really hope he is acquitted, and it forces them to find out who's really the responsible party.
This channel has done a fantastic job delivering the details of this heartbreaking case! I hope these 2 girls finally get justice...whoever did this is beyond evil. Abby and Libby had their whole lives ahead of them 😢
@marylittleton8520 you'd never know, it's been uselessly manipulated being from as far back as the original turned out to be. They also had to heavily edit out graffiti that was showing up all over his image when zoomed in that would likely mean they manipulated the face even more to match color etc etc.
Digitalgems9000 Is the kind of juror that nobody wants and should never be acceptable. Will blindly believe anything the govt says no matter what, no matter how ridiculous.
What doubt?????? He SAID IT HIMSELF in 2017 that he was there and what he was wearing. It was before he pretended to be insane. And WHERE IS HIS PHONE FROM 2017?
Bucketload of reasonable doubt. Such sloppy investigative work. They were so stupid to bring this case to trial it’s so weak. Any intelligent person can see through the lies and deception of the prosecution trying to railroad an innocent person.
Honestly they really have nothing on him other than being in the area. And they lied about the evidence they did have, like when they said the gun was a match.
Wonder attorney and wonderful coverage from this news channel. By far the best coverage I’ve seen. Unfortunately, this biased and crappy judge didn’t televise the case. I guess she didn’t want everyone to see what a bad judge she is. If RA is found guilty he’ll likely get a retrial due to her bias and incompetence.
There wasn’t even enough evidence to arrest him in the first place imo If they get a guilty verdict… it’s gonna be beyond sickening! I pray for Richard Allen for a smart reasonable jury They have asked some GREAT questions so yeah I think I trust them with this. A hung jury would suck too but hopefully this case will go to a new non bias judge unlike Gull. Or will the case stay in her courtroom?
Exactly. According to attorneys that were present in court, the bridge guy couldn’t even be seen in the ACTUAL video. The guy on the bridge and the girls might not have even known each was there, in reality. And of law enforcement had done there job correctly, they could have done a photo lineup right away while things were still fresh to see if anyone identified Richard Allen. Nobody was asked to identify him in court …
@@BellaFleurElise There is no proof that came from BG. It wasn’t one continuous thing. They could have filmed BG, he could have walked past, and someone else could’ve come and taken them.
I truly believe the real killer(s) are still out there. Justice for these two girls and their families. If Allen is innocent then justice for him too. If he truly is guilty then he deserves what he gets but for me there’s too much reasonable doubt. I think they broke his mind and spirit and said anything to make it all stop. It’s unheard of to put anyone in solitary confinement before their trial. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
It's hilarious how the state speaks as if they identified Richard Allen through some amazing investigative work. This has literally been one of the most laughable and embarrassing investigations I've ever seen.
Facts that I wish the Defense would of highlighted: Blood flow. Based on testimony and ppl in gallery, both girls had blood flow going up towards the face. This suggests their bodies were on an upside down incline when they were bleeding, which suggests they were held in that manner. Also, lack of blood on Abby’s upper torso and hands suggests a clean up. Movement of bodies: Libby weighed 200 pounds and allegedly “ dragged” but there were no drag marks and the state did not mention cuts, contusions or bruises suggesting being dragged or even being able to fight back. Another thing that suggests being restrained. Twigs, pebbles, rocks would have left marks on a naked body being dragged on a terrain. Phone: the IPhone 6 had waterproof tech, for those that suggest moisture caused the issue. So the phone conveniently started acting up within seconds of an incoming call from LG’s fam at 5:44 pm. Then unplugged at around 10? Then turned on around 4 am on the 14th? Ya. This suggests human manipulation of the device. They turned it on again or turned off airplane phone because they wanted the girls to be found. The girls behavior. Neither screams or tries to get away? There’s an episode of unsolved mysteries where 2 ppl are killed. Guess what the se one victim did? Tried to run and got shot in a creek! Sound carries, watching one get wounded, why didn’t the other try to escape? Answer! Multiple perps. Imo, not guilty.
Aye you should go to law school!!!! last night I was on here commenting. How two teens 12-14 years old let an old man catch them. I have two boys that age I play sports with them and they fast I know they boys but girls are just as capable!
@@toddquinn2 you know why because you got something that’s called fight or flight that’s why I can’t accept it. They teen girls who probably watch scary movies so if something not right they are running. He could have had an Apache gunship point at them you still gonna run. And in the video they recording and walking away, seem like in a pace (fight or flight) type of way. So since you said I can’t wrap my head around this that means it had to be another person. And also RA looked old cold in that video so I don’t expect him to catch two teen girls!!! So teacher anything else?!
@@toddquinn2 because it doesn’t make sense. They were both athletic teens,, on of whom was as tall and weighed more then him, please, 2 on 1, plus the fact that he was quite a ways away when they took the video. They could have easily gotten away, or taken him down, if he was the only one.
Only thing I can answer is chin had to be lower than neck for blood to flow upward. If 1 girl sat at tree head fell forwards as she bled out then moved to lie down, other girl if head went towards shoulder her chin would have been below neck. But that’s all I can explain! The phone had headphones plugged into the jack too at 10.30 pm how on earth did he do that?
@@ferrari251 she mentioned muddy 29 times across two interviews with no mention of blood. Oddly enough when it came time to require blood she never mentioned only mud again
@@ferrari251 she mentioned muddy 29 times across two interviews with no mention of blood. Oddly enough when it came time to require blood she never mentioned only mud again
@@simonegarciatsu2854agreed. I tried watching some of the TH-camrs but their shows go for 4-5 hours! Who has that kind of time? This is succinct and well informed and gives us a good picture of what’s going on without making us sit for hours to listen.
I’m sorry I don’t consider someone a “great journalist” if he misreports something so critical. RA’s daughter was asked “do you love your dad” she responded “yes,” but this reporter reported she said “no.” “Journalists” have gotten fired for less.
Terrific coverage of a sad and gruesome crime. These Delphi debriefs are the best. Bob, Emily, Sarah, Katie, and Scott are true professionals and deserve a long vacation following the trial. I almost feel like an extra juror, yet I cannot decide if the State proved it's case. Finally, did the banning of cameras in the courtroom inspire better coverage?
He is either the luckiest guy in the world or really unlucky. If he fits the lucky category he was so lucky, he didn’t leave an ounce of DNA, an ounce of physical evidence,lucky enough to have his tip sheet marked clear, lucky enough to have his tip sheet “lost” for 5.5 years In the unlucky category: unlucky enough to be a man at the same place as where 2 girls are murdered, around the same time, to get a super unethical shrink who had followed the case before, during and after she started working with him via podcasts and social media, unlucky enough to be put in the worst prision, in solitary, with the worst of the worst, unlucky enough to get a doctor who thinks he is faking, but at the same time shoots him up with powerful medications against his will. I really don’t see how it isn’t one of those 2.
The worst part is they didn't forget. They intentionally left out, and tried to suppress what they knew were issues with this whole thing. There's absolutely 0 reason the AS(KK) info was suppressed when they're literally the reason the girls were lured there to their deaths. There's also nothing in his confession that hadn't been leaked. You also have the states phycologist admittedly being obsessed to the point of stalking his families home... of course the reason she's no longer employed there is sealed but seems to be she was wanting her Hannibal esc patient confession.
I have doubts he is the killer. I feel a huge injustice was done to the 2 girls and their's respective families caused by the incompetence of the people involved in the investigation in those early days. 😢 How sad!
It’s clear the anchor Scott and the attorney Katie Jackson-Lindsay see what the majority of ppl who have followed this case see and that’s that RA is not guilty. I hope the jury makes the right decision and finds him not guilty. Unfortunately, I think the police botched the investigation from the beginning and now it’s almost impossible to get justice for these precious girls. What a shame. Just putting a body, anybody, in prison for this crime is NOT JUSTICE!
RA self reported being on the trail. Reported years ago. He didn't leave the area. Never has had a criminal record. Kept a respectable job, kept his family. His wife says he's not a killer. What else is there?
The thing I still cannot wrap my head around, even after listening to the debrief every night, is how NO ONE heard the girls scream or make a sound during the murders. Especially when learning how horrific the scene was it seems nearly impossible for 1 person to keep 2 girls quiet during that. It is just something I haven’t been able to shake during this trial. Thank you for the reporting during this trial WTHR. It was incredibly powerful and I hope Libby and Abby will have justice someday.
Libby wanted to solve crimes. She was physically strong. She wasn't a wallflower. A young teen with her can do attitude would have put up a fight and screamed. Unless she trusted her killer(s).
First and foremost I wish justice for Libby and Abby!!! If I were a juror, I wouldn't be able to find RA guilty. Way too much reasonable doubt for me. I couldn't live with my conscience sending an innocent man to prison. Ignorance is bliss!
Agree with what you have said here 💯. Every single bit of evidence the state has presented, the defence has created more than enough reasonable doubt for. I am so sad for Abby and Libby's families, but I believe they should acquit. ❤ from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
But you could live with setting him free and he does it again huh? That you could live with but not justice for Abby & Libby? Ffs turn in your woman card immediately
@@Beth_Dutton1106don’t be such a bully. She’s entitled to her opinion and I agree. You have to be sure when sending someone to prison for life. Too much reasonable doubt in this case.
@Beth_Dutton1106 FFS woman! According to the laws of your country, a person MUST be found guilty 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. And it is MY opinion that in this case, the defence did their job. So my 'woman card' and the OP'a will be staying right where they are. Thank you very much!
Yes, after the not guilty verdict is announced tomorrow morning, the FBI will step in and arrest Holeman and Kelsi German Siebert. Wait for it! Your pay is about to come to an end. 😉 @@Digitalgems9000
@@Digitalgems9000 No he isn't. Someone leaked the crime scene photos. You can see that the sticks were arranged like a part of a ritual. The sticks were also cut with a saw. Theres no way a man could have done this in 19 minutes like the prosecution claims. This proves that it cant be RA because the timeline doesnt work
I wonder what the families even think at this point. If I were the girl’s families I’d want the RIGHT person in prison for the crime. If I was a family member I’d have a lot of trouble believing it was actually RA who killed these precious little girls.
My biggest hang up is the eye spacing. His eyes are close together and that's a pretty memorable thing about a persons face and the sketches don't reflect that.
I came here to say what has already been said. I am not sure this guy is the killer… at all. If he is, he had help. If he isn’t, he’s the fall guy. I just think nothing really adds up.
All of this reporting has been so impressive. The whole team has done an incredible job. There is so much reasonable doubt, I could not convict this guy.
I always thought they had more video and audio than just Guys down the hill and I was looking forward to hearing more and make a decision about that. Personally he's not BG. He's too small.
And the “guys down the hill” was only audible with manipulation of the full audio file. My daughter thinks it’s too much like the ghost hunters that take radios in and scan them until they hear a ghost “talk”. I think I pretty much agree. My mind was blown when it came out in court (no video THERE for the public) that the guy could not even be seen on the video, on an 85 inch screen. He was that far away and might not have even known there were girls ahead.
My friend went to Delphi on the bridge and unknowingly was on BW’s property. She was hunkered down to pee and BW came out of nowhere with a gun screaming at her and the other lady she was with pointing the gun at them saying it was private property, she ran into her car and this psycho chased them bumping into their car all the way to a gas station where they saw a cop and BW sped off!! She made a report and literally told the Delphi police that he was going to shoot them and to look into him as the killer. But, You know, good ol’ Andy and Barney said ….. “it’ll be ok now, ya’ll come back now y’hear? They’re all good ol’ boys hooked up as Freemasons. They’ll cover each other to the end. Even McLeland is a Freemason in the same club as the suspect Gull said they couldn’t talk about. T
The defense definitely showed there is a mountain of reasonable doubt. That’s why the state’s closing argument was based all on emotion because they don’t have any evidence except his false confessions. And ppl say they would never confess to a crime they didn’t commit but we know from other cases that it’s not that uncommon. Many ppl who confessed were later exonerated with DNA evidence.
I so appreciate WTHR's neutral reporting. It is hard to find these days. I have been following this case for years, and have made a point to listen to all perspectives. In my opinion, if this jury finds him guilty, it will only be a matter of time before the Innocence Project, or a similar organization, gets involved. In fact, they'll have a choice overload when it comes to reasons for an exoneration. Starting with Official Misconduct (OM), or new DNA evidence, Perjury or False Accusation (P/FA), False or Misleading Forensic Evidence (F/MFE), and last but not least, False Confession (FC). Please jury get this right. 🙏
How many rounds did that ballistics 'expert' rack through Ricky's gun, before she found one that could fit? None, without firing the gun, which changes everything. There is so much incompetence and corruption in this trial, I hope he gets a record large settlement when he sues for what they've put him through. He told police he was on the bridge to provide any information that could have been helpful, as a good citizen would.
Even with the van knowledge, I've seen screenshots of its mention going around for quite a while (2017). And WHY would they botch the case so badly to allow his psych to be someone who was invested in true crime and following everything? I just cant trust this.
@@Aochic I honestly just don’t really know enough. The fact that they stuck him in prison is weird. Isolation for so long even weirder. No cameras or media coverage allowed inside the courtroom. The complete changing of the sketch of the suspect. The Anthony shotts/kegan Kline stuff not being connected in any way? It’s all just…. So so weird. Look at how smoothly the case against Brian kohberger is going in comparison.
@ I’m worried if they got the wrong guy, then there’s a child murderer walking free or if they do have the right guy but did so much blundering and ass backwards way of handling the arrest, evidence and even the trial that they’ll let him go is equally terrifying.
Im watching from VA and you all have surprised me with outstanding coverage of this case. Best mainstream media coverage, IMO. Its a really horrendous case- not only what happened to the girls, but the way the state of Indiana, the DOC, this horrible "Judge", etc have tried to throw a man in prison (and throw away the key) without sufficient evidence of guilt, behind closed doors. No cameras, NO WONDER. I don't know how Judge Gull even sleeps at night. Shame on her and all wbo have participated in this...Judge Gull was making it impossible for the defense to even get paid for this case, muchless to have the funds needed to pay experts- like the firearms expert. I wish the Jury could know thats one reason further testing wasn't done. I wish the Jury could know about all of the appalling acts this Judge took. Its almost as if she was trying to guarantee an Appeal. She should be disbarred. I think the "boa constricter" analogy was aimed at more than just the DOC...it was to all the lying, shady, sloppy LEOs, ISP, CCSO, Gull, and the prosecution...Literally the whole worlds watching and disgusted by this. Abby, Libby and their families deserve TRUE JUSTICE. Everything about this investigation and trial is the furthest thing from that.
Right!? Thank goodness they’ve been sequestered, this is the most contentious trial (online) I can remember. If only it was actually public. Conspiracies thrive in this lack of legit info.
It seems so many are looking at RA and feeling pity for him bc of him looking thin and beaten down. His own tortured mind did that to him imo. Seems Abby and Libby and what they went thru is being overshadowed. I was in defense of RA until I started following the day by day court case. He confessed over 60 times and most of those were not during a psychotic break. He seemed calm and in a normal mind during most. He wanted to confess but his mom, wife and attorneys would not allow it. I do understand the family not wanting to believe this but come on those little girls deserve JUSTICE. I pray the jury gets it right, no matter what that is. Nobody knows 100% other than RA and he's been trying to tell the truth.
It makes sense that they were killed by someone who lives close by. In that area, someone who murdered them probably in their home and then drag them out later after the searchers went home and staged the scene. It's interesting that that guy had sticks in his house. What would be the purpose of that
RA is not tall!!! He is 5''5...the guy on the bridge is taller and walks in a certain way dragging his right leg.....this should never have been a case against RA in my eyes....why none of the people involved in this case from the prosecution side suggests and goes to the bridge to test his height and how he walks....isn't it easy???
Maybe Libby was killed at crime scene her heart was still pumping because puddle of blood… confirmation she bled out where she was. Libby in Abby’s clothes and phone jack disconnect and lack of a blood puddle under her maybe due to her being removed and brought back to crime scene? Had to be someone close and comfortable with knowing not a lot of resources to figure this out. Hmmmmmm
The other suspects with sticks in his garage near crime seen who yelled angrily in court i suspect. Abby lived further down in the same road as that suspect.
Why isn't anyone pointing out that the bridge guy walks with a limp. He has a bad left leg, maybe his knee. By the way, the towns former mayor walks with the exact same limp and with his hands in his pockets. Watch "True Crime Design" podcast. She covers this topic!
No worries, Richard, I believe you! I do realize you have confessed over 60 times to your wife, mom, and sympathizers that don't want to hear you tell the TRUTH or silence you per prison phone calls.
he was there no doubt, he confessed to committing the crime no doubt, what he confessed to was verified later to be accurate, what he confessed to nobody knew of before, he may have said those things in psychosis or not, the fact remains, for me, that he's the spitting image of the guy in the bridge video, that he was there, that items of his belongings were found at the scene and that from the first day he had been playing a bluff game, right now people think he's a martir, but he's not, he was effing THERE
Strange that they didn’t want to show his height, meaning, do the math for it. It should have been fairly easy. He’s casting a shadow. There is a tree behind him.
RA had 5 years to clean up and discarded evidence including his cellphone. He also had 5 years to rehearse for his interviews. He talked about how he, along with his wife, would watch Dateline weekly. He continued to learn CSI tactics looking for evidence.
DNA does not disapear in cars! DNA can be picked up on clothes years later even after being washed! They take apart knives and they found nothing. In fact the pathologist said serated knife and smooth blade. Wow, you are stretching by saying "looking for evidence". Any of us true crime followers would be bridge guy with your thoughts. I have been researching true crime for over 50 years. Neve,r not one case has an unaliver ever called in a tip line and put himself at the scene of the crime, ever!!! Your stretching it Matt. STick what is in evidence or I hope like hell you never serve on a jury.
@johannawigg6921 fair question... his wife Kathy is the decision maker in the home. He couldn't tell her because he was too afraid of her abandoning him. Besides, after nothing came from his self reporting, started to feel more and more comfortable that he might not get caught
I was not on the trail that day, I’m not psychic and I can’t do a remote viewing into the past at that scene, I do not know what really happened that day. That being said, there is clearly reasonable doubt in this case, the prosecution has not proved (beyond a reasonable doubt) that Richard Allen committed this crime.
I don't believe the state has come close to proving this case beyond a reasonable doubt. It appears to me that Richard Allen is actually innocent. But there are problems with this iPhone data reflecting that a headphone was plugged into the jack. We have lots of unanswered questions about that. Hello did the phone move at any time after 2:30? Are we supposed to believe that someone sat there with the dead bodies and listen to music on the headphones for 6 hours?
So he was bridge guy , he was seen by a witness who stated he was muddy and later added bloody. State says he told them he was indeed wearing the blue jacket. Then in closing they try to point out that when his house was raided they found a blue jacket in a way to insinuate that was the jacket from that day that bridge guy was wearing - but wouldn’t that jacket be muddy and bloody as the witness stated ? The state is a mess, nothing makes sense at all with them
@ I don’t think anything physical was presented, obviously. But the jacket was never brought up or at least I never heard of that until now. So no blood, mud, DNA with that crime scene. I don’t think they though that one through
something was plugged in or something made a connection in the port. so a drop of moisture could do that, not to be grim but blood or bugs could bridge a connection. I once had a phone that would randomly think headphone were plugged in and would disconnect speaker phone during calls. was an odd glitch so you cant just say someone plugged in and removed headphones is certified fact.
Why does it matter at all how the witnesses describe the Bridge Guy? We have a video of him and he is not a young tall guy with poofy hair and the Bridge Guy from the video looks a lot like Richard Allen. The reliance on witnesses with the description does not make any sense to me when there is a video.
There have been several people that people say “looks just like bridge guy.” It’s not a great video, that has been “enhanced” (altered.) i certainly don’t think that is “beyond a reasonable doubt”
In the actual video (shown in court, that has NOT been allowed true public access to proceedings), attorneys observing the trial said they NEVER saw the bridge guy (on an 85 inch screen). But he somehow races across within 43 seconds, no signs of exertion in the manipulated audio, to start issuing orders. Yeah, right. I doubt the bridge guy even knew there were girls on the other side and the girls probably didn’t know there was a guy far, far back from them.
Brad Webber was clocking out at work when Libby was recording the Bridge Guy, wasn’t he? Also, does he even look like the Bridge Guy? Finally, per my simple Google search, it is a very common error for smart phones to give “headphones inserted” errors when they get water damage. I found several posts on this topic: “I accidentally spilled water on my phone, and now there's an error where the phone detects earphones even when there isn't. How do I fix this?” “If your cellphone is showing a “headphones inserted” error after water damage, you can try these steps: Check for water damage Look for water, evaporation, or dried water markings behind the screen, or corrosion marks at ports. You can also check the Liquid Damage Indicator (LDI), which is usually located in the headphone jack, battery compartment, or SIM tray slot. If the LDI is red or maroon, your phone has water damage.”
Wonderful summary from Katy. I totally agree with you, there’s too much reasonable doubt. I think worst case it’s going to be a hung jury and mistrial.
I would rather see a crime go unsolved.
Than the wrong person being accused 😢
As it should be!! That's how our justice system works. We would rather see 100 guilty go free than to convict 1 innocent
Well said.
We're praying for you Ricky 😫🙏
#notguilty
Justice for ALL.🇺🇸
@markheckman3987 I 100% agree with your comment. But I believe they establish that RA is BridgeGuy.
And BG killed those two girls Abby and Libby.
They established that RA made confessions.
I believe on February 13 2017 RA was in a state of awareness when he decided to go hunting for an easy target. I believe he got spooked and, like a lot of attackers quickly panic, as BG planned fantasy faced a hickup
I will continue to follow Katie after this trial regardless of the outcome because she is one of the few professionals willing to say there isn’t enough evidence. Katie has a brain and doesn’t want to make everyone happy she just wants facts.
I have never seen reporting like this! This is old fashioned journalism at it's best. If I ever needed an attorney I would trust Katy with my life! She is smart, concise, logical, and articulate. Having her on the team has elevated the professional level and helped the viewer sort out the details better.
I haved watched this pogram along with TH-cam creator Lawyer Lee to compare reporting. I have been pleasantly surprised that the notes your team has taken and what Lawyer Lee took has been very detailed and almost exactly the same each night. I am much more informed because of these people.
Thank you so much for your dedication and care for the truth!
Anna from Logansport.
Agree 💯
The burden of proof lies with the prosecution, and they failed these poor girls miserably. If I were on the jury, I would have to say not guilty. Each piece of evidence the state has presented, the defence provided more than enough reasonable doubt for. I'm so sad for Abby and Libby's families. ❤ from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
It’s sad that the police didn’t get the right person but if the jury finds RA not guilty than true justice for the girls and families would be served because there is too much reasonable doubt. Just because there’s a body in jail does not equal justice. There has to be the actual killer in prison!!
@bunnyluver2176 That's what I think, too. I think there are likely multiple other people involved. LE would have been under immense pressure to solve this case, and having absolutely nothing on anyone, Richard Allen was thrown up as a plausible patsy. He had placed himself on the bridge that day and was local to the area. I really hope he is acquitted, and it forces them to find out who's really the responsible party.
In my opinion Doug Carter is not the guy but I'm sure he knows who Bridge Guy is. He is pointing out clues.
Richard Allen is not Guilty.
He IS GUILTY. Just because the conditions in that jail were not as luxury hotel does not make him innocent
@@bambinaforever1402 based upon what please? You've said this many times but never given your reasoning. Are you one of the Vinlanders?
This channel has done a fantastic job delivering the details of this heartbreaking case! I hope these 2 girls finally get justice...whoever did this is beyond evil.
Abby and Libby had their whole lives ahead of them 😢
I think it will end in mistrial hung jury next time this judge gull should not be no where near this case and should apologize to the town
Richard’s not that guy can’t see bridge guys face
@marylittleton8520 you'd never know, it's been uselessly manipulated being from as far back as the original turned out to be. They also had to heavily edit out graffiti that was showing up all over his image when zoomed in that would likely mean they manipulated the face even more to match color etc etc.
nah he's going to prison
I don’t think people knew how to describe Bridge Guy …thus you get all these rednecks saying everything under the sun.
Digitalgems9000 Is the kind of juror that nobody wants and should never be acceptable. Will blindly believe anything the govt says no matter what, no matter how ridiculous.
REASONABLE DOUBT, all over this. It’s a disgrace.
What doubt?????? He SAID IT HIMSELF in 2017 that he was there and what he was wearing. It was before he pretended to be insane. And WHERE IS HIS PHONE FROM 2017?
@@bambinaforever1402 💯!
Bucketload of reasonable doubt. Such sloppy investigative work. They were so stupid to bring this case to trial it’s so weak. Any intelligent person can see through the lies and deception of the prosecution trying to railroad an innocent person.
Honestly they really have nothing on him other than being in the area. And they lied about the evidence they did have, like when they said the gun was a match.
imagine defending a child killer. hope you're never on a jury.
@Digitalgems9000 imagine not having the facts and calling someone a killer
@@Digitalgems9000Imagine you being the one in charge, and putting innocent people away. I guess you don’t believe in “innocent until proven guilty”.
@@Arbysroastbeefjuice lmao he isn't innocent at all. can't wait for the verdict. you people are nuts
Really like the way Katy explains complicated things in an easy to understand way, she's a great guest.
Thank You, Katy!
Agreed! She is an excellent guest providing a vital facet of analysis.
I really like her take
Katy is really a sharp attorney. So informative !
Wonder attorney and wonderful coverage from this news channel. By far the best coverage I’ve seen. Unfortunately, this biased and crappy judge didn’t televise the case. I guess she didn’t want everyone to see what a bad judge she is. If RA is found guilty he’ll likely get a retrial due to her bias and incompetence.
If RA is found guilty or not guilty, I do hope he tries to sue the Indiana prison/system.
LOL no
That attorney is amazing. Better than all the guests on court TV. You guys lucked out getting her
What a shoddy investigation! Just trying to pin this on someone to make it go away!
idk how you can convict here what a bunch of bs i feel so bad for the families.
Probably a trump voter if you're this stupid.
There wasn’t even enough evidence to arrest him in the first place imo
If they get a guilty verdict… it’s gonna be beyond sickening! I pray for Richard Allen for a smart reasonable jury
They have asked some GREAT questions so yeah I think I trust them with this.
A hung jury would suck too but hopefully this case will go to a new non bias judge unlike Gull. Or will the case stay in her courtroom?
@@Sebastian-km9qx lol cope
@@Digitalgems9000 it could be you one day! Cope? Would you cope then?
@@pommiebears don't you got some andrea burkhart to watch?
DO we know that Bridge Guy was the killer, though? I don’t think we do know that.
Exactly. According to attorneys that were present in court, the bridge guy couldn’t even be seen in the ACTUAL video. The guy on the bridge and the girls might not have even known each was there, in reality. And of law enforcement had done there job correctly, they could have done a photo lineup right away while things were still fresh to see if anyone identified Richard Allen. Nobody was asked to identify him in court …
"Guy's down the hill", they were mudered soon after they went down the hill.
@BellaFleurElise but did bridge guy day that ? Or someone else ?
We don’t know that.
@@BellaFleurElise There is no proof that came from BG. It wasn’t one continuous thing. They could have filmed BG, he could have walked past, and someone else could’ve come and taken them.
I truly believe the real killer(s) are still out there. Justice for these two girls and their families.
If Allen is innocent then justice for him too. If he truly is guilty then he deserves what he gets but for me there’s too much reasonable doubt.
I think they broke his mind and spirit and said anything to make it all stop.
It’s unheard of to put anyone in solitary confinement before their trial. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
lol no
I agree
@@lindz3104 🤡
me too that gives me chills.
Absolutely!
It's hilarious how the state speaks as if they identified Richard Allen through some amazing investigative work. This has literally been one of the most laughable and embarrassing investigations I've ever seen.
This channel has provided the best coverage of this case by far. (UK viewer).
There’s no way anyone can hear all this evidence and still strongly believe Richard Allen definitely did this.
Facts that I wish the Defense would of highlighted:
Blood flow. Based on testimony and ppl in gallery, both girls had blood flow going up towards the face. This suggests their bodies were on an upside down incline when they were bleeding, which suggests they were held in that manner. Also, lack of blood on Abby’s upper torso and hands suggests a clean up.
Movement of bodies: Libby weighed 200 pounds and allegedly “ dragged” but there were no drag marks and the state did not mention cuts, contusions or bruises suggesting being dragged or even being able to fight back. Another thing that suggests being restrained. Twigs, pebbles, rocks would have left marks on a naked body being dragged on a terrain.
Phone: the IPhone 6 had waterproof tech, for those that suggest moisture caused the issue. So the phone conveniently started acting up within seconds of an incoming call from LG’s fam at 5:44 pm. Then unplugged at around 10? Then turned on around 4 am on the 14th? Ya. This suggests human manipulation of the device. They turned it on again or turned off airplane phone because they wanted the girls to be found.
The girls behavior. Neither screams or tries to get away? There’s an episode of unsolved mysteries where 2 ppl are killed. Guess what the se one victim did? Tried to run and got shot in a creek! Sound carries, watching one get wounded, why didn’t the other try to escape? Answer! Multiple perps.
Imo, not guilty.
Aye you should go to law school!!!! last night I was on here commenting. How two teens 12-14 years old let an old man catch them. I have two boys that age I play sports with them and they fast I know they boys but girls are just as capable!
@@blackhawkuIf he had a gun and threatened to shoot them…why do you not accept the idea that they were too scared to run?
@@toddquinn2 you know why because you got something that’s called fight or flight that’s why I can’t accept it. They teen girls who probably watch scary movies so if something not right they are running. He could have had an Apache gunship point at them you still gonna run. And in the video they recording and walking away, seem like in a pace (fight or flight) type of way. So since you said I can’t wrap my head around this that means it had to be another person. And also RA looked old cold in that video so I don’t expect him to catch two teen girls!!! So teacher anything else?!
@@toddquinn2 because it doesn’t make sense. They were both athletic teens,, on of whom was as tall and weighed more then him, please, 2 on 1, plus the fact that he was quite a ways away when they took the video. They could have easily gotten away, or taken him down, if he was the only one.
Only thing I can answer is chin had to be lower than neck for blood to flow upward. If 1 girl sat at tree head fell forwards as she bled out then moved to lie down, other girl if head went towards shoulder her chin would have been below neck. But that’s all I can explain! The phone had headphones plugged into the jack too at 10.30 pm how on earth did he do that?
Katy has done a wonderful job explaining facts of the case really helpful you all have done great!
If I saw muddy and bloody, I’d call 911!
All she really saw was muddy. She made up the body years later.
Yes that witness is unreliable too. She had to be discounted.
@@ferrari251 she mentioned muddy 29 times across two interviews with no mention of blood. Oddly enough when it came time to require blood she never mentioned only mud again
@@ferrari251 she mentioned muddy 29 times across two interviews with no mention of blood. Oddly enough when it came time to require blood she never mentioned only mud again
Bob Siegel and Emily Longneck are the journalists. Damn fine people.
Katy the lawyer is amazing as well. They just have a really amazing team. And I watch a lot of this case’s coverage. This is by far the best
@@simonegarciatsu2854agreed. I tried watching some of the TH-camrs but their shows go for 4-5 hours! Who has that kind of time? This is succinct and well informed and gives us a good picture of what’s going on without making us sit for hours to listen.
I’m sorry I don’t consider someone a “great journalist” if he misreports something so critical. RA’s daughter was asked “do you love your dad” she responded “yes,” but this reporter reported she said “no.” “Journalists” have gotten fired for less.
There’s way too much reasonable doubt from what I can gather. I don’t believe he’s guilty. But I pray the right person is convicted.
Terrific coverage of a sad and gruesome crime. These Delphi debriefs are the best. Bob, Emily, Sarah, Katie, and Scott are true professionals and deserve a long vacation following the trial. I almost feel like an extra juror, yet I cannot decide if the State proved it's case. Finally, did the banning of cameras in the courtroom inspire better coverage?
You have a point there! Removing the cameras did illicit great coverage. ❤ from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Excellent point
Emily Longnecker has been covering this story since the girls went missing. I feel for her 😢
He is either the luckiest guy in the world or really unlucky.
If he fits the lucky category he was so lucky, he didn’t leave an ounce of DNA, an ounce of physical evidence,lucky enough to have his tip sheet marked clear, lucky enough to have his tip sheet “lost” for 5.5 years
In the unlucky category: unlucky enough to be a man at the same place as where 2 girls are murdered, around the same time, to get a super unethical shrink who had followed the case before, during and after she started working with him via podcasts and social media, unlucky enough to be put in the worst prision, in solitary, with the worst of the worst, unlucky enough to get a doctor who thinks he is faking, but at the same time shoots him up with powerful medications against his will.
I really don’t see how it isn’t one of those 2.
Not guilty. The prosecution forgot their case.
The worst part is they didn't forget. They intentionally left out, and tried to suppress what they knew were issues with this whole thing. There's absolutely 0 reason the AS(KK) info was suppressed when they're literally the reason the girls were lured there to their deaths. There's also nothing in his confession that hadn't been leaked. You also have the states phycologist admittedly being obsessed to the point of stalking his families home... of course the reason she's no longer employed there is sealed but seems to be she was wanting her Hannibal esc patient confession.
more like the defense. lmao he's going to prison soon
@@Digitalgems9000 it's not over yet
@@EremiasRanwolf-d6z verdict is coming buddy. your idol is about to be in prison
@@Digitalgems9000based on what please?
I have doubts he is the killer. I feel a huge injustice was done to the 2 girls and their's respective families caused by the incompetence of the people involved in the investigation in those early days. 😢 How sad!
imagine defending a child killer. yikes
@@Digitalgems9000imagine sending an innocent man to prison! And letting the real killers (plural) go free! What a travesty!
@@ChrisB-s2h imagine defending a murderer. do better, Chris
@@Digitalgems9000Are you in every comment? Get a life…
This is his life. Paid Patty Trolls. y@@Arbysroastbeefjuice
It’s clear the anchor Scott and the attorney Katie Jackson-Lindsay see what the majority of ppl who have followed this case see and that’s that RA is not guilty. I hope the jury makes the right decision and finds him not guilty. Unfortunately, I think the police botched the investigation from the beginning and now it’s almost impossible to get justice for these precious girls. What a shame. Just putting a body, anybody, in prison for this crime is NOT JUSTICE!
Stop it
I wonder why cameras were not allowed in the courtroom? Is someone hiding something?
RA self reported being on the trail. Reported years ago. He didn't leave the area. Never has had a criminal record. Kept a respectable job, kept his family. His wife says he's not a killer.
What else is there?
Gary Ridgeway
Cop says he’s right where he needs to be? What about innocent until proven guilty?
The thing I still cannot wrap my head around, even after listening to the debrief every night, is how NO ONE heard the girls scream or make a sound during the murders. Especially when learning how horrific the scene was it seems nearly impossible for 1 person to keep 2 girls quiet during that. It is just something I haven’t been able to shake during this trial.
Thank you for the reporting during this trial WTHR. It was incredibly powerful and I hope Libby and Abby will have justice someday.
Not at all hard to imagine that they would’ve been terrified
Libby wanted to solve crimes. She was physically strong. She wasn't a wallflower. A young teen with her can do attitude would have put up a fight and screamed. Unless she trusted her killer(s).
The kind of people who would do what was done to Richard Allen are the kind of people who would kill 2 children.
First and foremost I wish justice for Libby and Abby!!! If I were a juror, I wouldn't be able to find RA guilty. Way too much reasonable doubt for me. I couldn't live with my conscience sending an innocent man to prison.
Ignorance is bliss!
Agree with what you have said here 💯. Every single bit of evidence the state has presented, the defence has created more than enough reasonable doubt for. I am so sad for Abby and Libby's families, but I believe they should acquit. ❤ from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
But you could live with setting him free and he does it again huh? That you could live with but not justice for Abby & Libby? Ffs turn in your woman card immediately
@@Beth_Dutton1106don’t be such a bully. She’s entitled to her opinion and I agree. You have to be sure when sending someone to prison for life. Too much reasonable doubt in this case.
@Beth_Dutton1106 FFS woman! According to the laws of your country, a person MUST be found guilty 'beyond a reasonable doubt'. And it is MY opinion that in this case, the defence did their job. So my 'woman card' and the OP'a will be staying right where they are. Thank you very much!
@@Beth_Dutton1106oh stop it!! Your comment shows you’re stuck in a box. Critical thinking will help you get out of
Yay! Emily is back, she's the best!!
This is incredible and appreciated coverage. Thanks from Canada
I second this. Greetings from Mexico :)
The real killer is still out there!
the real killer is about to be in prison after the verdict, lol
Yes, after the not guilty verdict is announced tomorrow morning, the FBI will step in and arrest Holeman and Kelsi German Siebert. Wait for it! Your pay is about to come to an end. 😉 @@Digitalgems9000
Agreed
@@Digitalgems9000 No he isn't. Someone leaked the crime scene photos. You can see that the sticks were arranged like a part of a ritual. The sticks were also cut with a saw. Theres no way a man could have done this in 19 minutes like the prosecution claims. This proves that it cant be RA because the timeline doesnt work
I wonder what the families even think at this point. If I were the girl’s families I’d want the RIGHT person in prison for the crime. If I was a family member I’d have a lot of trouble believing it was actually RA who killed these precious little girls.
Full of reasonable doubt!!
Amazing coverage. Thank you for your unbiased coverage.
Katie Jackson-Lindsay is awesome! She explains things so well and is such a great speaker. Such an asset to the team 👍🏼
Suspiciously lost crucial timeline interviews lost! That l e team needs to be arrested! They r grossly negligent. DNA not tested! What?
I find it hard to believe one man under 5/10 did this
My biggest hang up is the eye spacing. His eyes are close together and that's a pretty memorable thing about a persons face and the sketches don't reflect that.
Well the one sketch, older guy with a hat, looks like Bob Weber, what’s up with that?
I think the fact that he is 5’4 is the most distinguishing feature. Not many men are that short, yet no one reports a really short guy.
I hope everyone remembers closing arguments aren't evidence. I don't believe the prosecution proved their case.
I came here to say what has already been said. I am not sure this guy is the killer… at all. If he is, he had help. If he isn’t, he’s the fall guy. I just think nothing really adds up.
All of this reporting has been so impressive. The whole team has done an incredible job. There is so much reasonable doubt, I could not convict this guy.
That Van info is b.s. I saw a video that talked about the white van early on in the investigation. Not only known to the killer.
I always thought they had more video and audio than just Guys down the hill and I was looking forward to hearing more and make a decision about that. Personally he's not BG. He's too small.
Personally, you're a retard.
If they had any more audio that could help the public identify the voice then it would've been released in full to the public.
And the “guys down the hill” was only audible with manipulation of the full audio file. My daughter thinks it’s too much like the ghost hunters that take radios in and scan them until they hear a ghost “talk”. I think I pretty much agree. My mind was blown when it came out in court (no video THERE for the public) that the guy could not even be seen on the video, on an 85 inch screen. He was that far away and might not have even known there were girls ahead.
Brad Weber should be watched 👀
My friend went to Delphi on the bridge and unknowingly was on BW’s property. She was hunkered down to pee and BW came out of nowhere with a gun screaming at her and the other lady she was with pointing the gun at them saying it was private property, she ran into her car and this psycho chased them bumping into their car all the way to a gas station where they saw a cop and BW sped off!! She made a report and literally told the Delphi police that he was going to shoot them and to look into him as the killer. But, You know, good ol’ Andy and Barney said ….. “it’ll be ok now, ya’ll come back now y’hear? They’re all good ol’ boys hooked up as Freemasons. They’ll cover each other to the end. Even McLeland is a Freemason in the same club as the suspect Gull said they couldn’t talk about. T
@mariejohnson7326 - Wow. Did Delphi police write up a report?
@ No
Amazing reporting guys.
I've watched yall every day of the trial.
The defense definitely showed there is a mountain of reasonable doubt. That’s why the state’s closing argument was based all on emotion because they don’t have any evidence except his false confessions. And ppl say they would never confess to a crime they didn’t commit but we know from other cases that it’s not that uncommon. Many ppl who confessed were later exonerated with DNA evidence.
I so appreciate WTHR's neutral reporting. It is hard to find these days. I have been following this case for years, and have made a point to listen to all perspectives. In my opinion, if this jury finds him guilty, it will only be a matter of time before the Innocence Project, or a similar organization, gets involved. In fact, they'll have a choice overload when it comes to reasons for an exoneration. Starting with Official Misconduct (OM), or new DNA evidence, Perjury or False Accusation (P/FA), False or Misleading Forensic Evidence (F/MFE), and last but not least, False Confession (FC). Please jury get this right. 🙏
I am scared that they will wrongly convict Allen, people will move on and the real killers will continue their evil lives.
The poor families of these girls. 😭
How many rounds did that ballistics 'expert' rack through Ricky's gun, before she found one that could fit? None, without firing the gun, which changes everything. There is so much incompetence and corruption in this trial, I hope he gets a record large settlement when he sues for what they've put him through. He told police he was on the bridge to provide any information that could have been helpful, as a good citizen would.
Justice for Abby
& Libby 💜🩵
Check out Lawyer Lee for full coverage of this trial. She’s been in the courtroom everyday. She’s a Harvard educated lawyer with 30 yrs experience.
She has done an excellent unbiased analysis of this whole case. The only reporter I really trust.
Even with the van knowledge, I've seen screenshots of its mention going around for quite a while (2017). And WHY would they botch the case so badly to allow his psych to be someone who was invested in true crime and following everything? I just cant trust this.
Thanks for your educated verdict, Katie.
Think they’ll find him guilty. But this was a very very strangely handled case
Can we say cover up?
Was probably a sherif
@@Aochic I honestly just don’t really know enough. The fact that they stuck him in prison is weird. Isolation for so long even weirder. No cameras or media coverage allowed inside the courtroom. The complete changing of the sketch of the suspect. The Anthony shotts/kegan Kline stuff not being connected in any way? It’s all just…. So so weird. Look at how smoothly the case against Brian kohberger is going in comparison.
Hung jury, or not guilty. I don’t know how any reasonable person can find him guilty BEYOND a reasonable doubt.
@ I’m worried if they got the wrong guy, then there’s a child murderer walking free or if they do have the right guy but did so much blundering and ass backwards way of handling the arrest, evidence and even the trial that they’ll let him go is equally terrifying.
Im watching from VA and you all have surprised me with outstanding coverage of this case. Best mainstream media coverage, IMO. Its a really horrendous case- not only what happened to the girls, but the way the state of Indiana, the DOC, this horrible "Judge", etc have tried to throw a man in prison (and throw away the key) without sufficient evidence of guilt, behind closed doors. No cameras, NO WONDER.
I don't know how Judge Gull even sleeps at night. Shame on her and all wbo have participated in this...Judge Gull was making it impossible for the defense to even get paid for this case, muchless to have the funds needed to pay experts- like the firearms expert. I wish the Jury could know thats one reason further testing wasn't done. I wish the Jury could know about all of the appalling acts this Judge took. Its almost as if she was trying to guarantee an Appeal. She should be disbarred. I think the "boa constricter" analogy was aimed at more than just the DOC...it was to all the lying, shady, sloppy LEOs, ISP, CCSO, Gull, and the prosecution...Literally the whole worlds watching and disgusted by this. Abby, Libby and their families deserve TRUE JUSTICE. Everything about this investigation and trial is the furthest thing from that.
I feel like he is guilty... but I also think the defense did a good job proving reasonable doubt... I do not envy the jurors!
Right!? Thank goodness they’ve been sequestered, this is the most contentious trial (online) I can remember. If only it was actually public. Conspiracies thrive in this lack of legit info.
How? They offered zero alternatives.
My thoughts exactly!
It seems so many are looking at RA and feeling pity for him bc of him looking thin and beaten down. His own tortured mind did that to him imo. Seems Abby and Libby and what they went thru is being overshadowed. I was in defense of RA until I started following the day by day court case. He confessed over 60 times and most of those were not during a psychotic break. He seemed calm and in a normal mind during most. He wanted to confess but his mom, wife and attorneys would not allow it. I do understand the family not wanting to believe this but come on those little girls deserve JUSTICE. I pray the jury gets it right, no matter what that is. Nobody knows 100% other than RA and he's been trying to tell the truth.
@@Throawei Weren’t allowed to. The defense were ordered not to offer alternative suspects. It’s a farce, this trial.
It makes sense that they were killed by someone who lives close by. In that area, someone who murdered them probably in their home and then drag them out later after the searchers went home and staged the scene. It's interesting that that guy had sticks in his house. What would be the purpose of that
best news for this case..thank you WTHR
RA is not tall!!! He is 5''5...the guy on the bridge is taller and walks in a certain way dragging his right leg.....this should never have been a case against RA in my eyes....why none of the people involved in this case from the prosecution side suggests and goes to the bridge to test his height and how he walks....isn't it easy???
Maybe Libby was killed at crime scene her heart was still pumping because puddle of blood… confirmation she bled out where she was. Libby in Abby’s clothes and phone jack disconnect and lack of a blood puddle under her maybe due to her being removed and brought back to crime scene? Had to be someone close and comfortable with knowing not a lot of resources to figure this out. Hmmmmmm
The other suspects with sticks in his garage near crime seen who yelled angrily in court i suspect. Abby lived further down in the same road as that suspect.
Thank you so much for covering this case in such a professional way!!!
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Why isn't anyone pointing out that the bridge guy walks with a limp. He has a bad left leg, maybe his knee. By the way, the towns former mayor walks with the exact same limp and with his hands in his pockets. Watch "True Crime Design" podcast. She covers this topic!
No worries, Richard, I believe you! I do realize you have confessed over 60 times to your wife, mom, and sympathizers that don't want to hear you tell the TRUTH or silence you per prison phone calls.
We will take your word for it.
I bet you'd say ANYTHING after months of confinement..
Haha right? It's like people don't want to believe he's guilty.
he was there no doubt, he confessed to committing the crime no doubt, what he confessed to was verified later to be accurate, what he confessed to nobody knew of before, he may have said those things in psychosis or not, the fact remains, for me, that he's the spitting image of the guy in the bridge video, that he was there, that items of his belongings were found at the scene and that from the first day he had been playing a bluff game, right now people think he's a martir, but he's not, he was effing THERE
Is bridge guy even the killer?
No proof of that.
@ nope. I do believe the prosecution thinks the average person is a lot more gullible than we are!
@@AngelPrissy lol yes there is
@@Digitalgems9000what is the proof?
@@kimberlystrawbridge7168 guilty verdict soon RA defender.
I hope they can reach a verdict but I have a feeling they are not going to all agree that he is guilty.
I hope not! He's a scapegoat
@@Aochic lol no
@@Digitalgems9000what's funny. They don't have the evidence to convict without reasonable doubt.
@@jamesball8519 can't wait for the verdict. you RA defenders are gonna shed so many tears.
@@jamesball8519that guy is a troll. He’s commenting on all the comments and saying the exact same thing.
If BG was my husband or my dad, I would know it from the video.
Exactly. I don't understand what's so difficult. His wife and daughter will know if BG is him.
That enhanced video of bridge guy that is not RA that is Mr Logan. I have just seen another video with him wearing the same jacket and hat.
Coerced, threatened confessions bcs the prosecution needed those confessions.
Those little girls........I honestly believe this jury are smart........just bring your comon sense an well have our answer
Strange that they didn’t want to show his height, meaning, do the math for it. It should have been fairly easy. He’s casting a shadow. There is a tree behind him.
RA had 5 years to clean up and discarded evidence including his cellphone. He also had 5 years to rehearse for his interviews. He talked about how he, along with his wife, would watch Dateline weekly.
He continued to learn CSI tactics looking for evidence.
Amen
DNA does not disapear in cars! DNA can be picked up on clothes years later even after being washed! They take apart knives and they found nothing. In fact the pathologist said serated knife and smooth blade. Wow, you are stretching by saying "looking for evidence". Any of us true crime followers would be bridge guy with your thoughts. I have been researching true crime for over 50 years. Neve,r not one case has an unaliver ever called in a tip line and put himself at the scene of the crime, ever!!! Your stretching it Matt. STick what is in evidence or I hope like hell you never serve on a jury.
So ? He also had five years to keep living his innocent life ! Why not move if he's so guilty ? He had five years as you said !
@johannawigg6921 fair question... his wife Kathy is the decision maker in the home. He couldn't tell her because he was too afraid of her abandoning him. Besides, after nothing came from his self reporting, started to feel more and more comfortable that he might not get caught
Right…so, he kept the coat, the gun, and didn’t leave, in five years. I mean….you make a good point.
Not guilty. IMO the state hasn't proven it's case RA did it. Reasonable doubt
I agree.
The amount of times she said 'uumm" was A LOT.
Take a shot when she says “umm.”
I didn’t notice
Now you’re making me notice this 😡😂😂
Women ☕
I was not on the trail that day, I’m not psychic and I can’t do a remote viewing into the past at that scene, I do not know what really happened that day.
That being said, there is clearly reasonable doubt in this case, the prosecution has not proved (beyond a reasonable doubt) that Richard Allen committed this crime.
I believe he should be found not guilty. There's just nothing there.
This should of been an easy case, should of ended within the month it happened, it turned into one huge conspiracy crime Novel 🤦🏻
I don't believe the state has come close to proving this case beyond a reasonable doubt. It appears to me that Richard Allen is actually innocent. But there are problems with this iPhone data reflecting that a headphone was plugged into the jack. We have lots of unanswered questions about that. Hello did the phone move at any time after 2:30? Are we supposed to believe that someone sat there with the dead bodies and listen to music on the headphones for 6 hours?
Great seeing a strong team covering this story. Hopefully the jury will jury will bring justice for Abby and Libby.
You guys are awesome. Thanks so much for the excellent coverage.
So he was bridge guy , he was seen by a witness who stated he was muddy and later added bloody. State says he told them he was indeed wearing the blue jacket. Then in closing they try to point out that when his house was raided they found a blue jacket in a way to insinuate that was the jacket from that day that bridge guy was wearing - but wouldn’t that jacket be muddy and bloody as the witness stated ? The state is a mess, nothing makes sense at all with them
Did they show the blue coat at trial to the jury?
@ I don’t think anything physical was presented, obviously. But the jacket was never brought up or at least I never heard of that until now. So no blood, mud, DNA with that crime scene. I don’t think they though that one through
@@lc285nope because it would be clean.
something was plugged in or something made a connection in the port. so a drop of moisture could do that, not to be grim but blood or bugs could bridge a connection. I once had a phone that would randomly think headphone were plugged in and would disconnect speaker phone during calls. was an odd glitch so you cant just say someone plugged in and removed headphones is certified fact.
The phone was never tested for water damage.
It's a tough one, but it is possible that someone did it or could be weird thing's like you mentioned because that can happen to
Good observation. Makes sense!
Dirt, blood, water or a mixture of all of it could have breeched the port, frozen, and then thawed. It got down to 28 that night.
@@brandyugaz3988it was tested for water damage and none found
Why does it matter at all how the witnesses describe the Bridge Guy? We have a video of him and he is not a young tall guy with poofy hair and the Bridge Guy from the video looks a lot like Richard Allen. The reliance on witnesses with the description does not make any sense to me when there is a video.
There have been several people that people say “looks just like bridge guy.” It’s not a great video, that has been “enhanced” (altered.) i certainly don’t think that is “beyond a reasonable doubt”
In the actual video (shown in court, that has NOT been allowed true public access to proceedings), attorneys observing the trial said they NEVER saw the bridge guy (on an 85 inch screen). But he somehow races across within 43 seconds, no signs of exertion in the manipulated audio, to start issuing orders. Yeah, right. I doubt the bridge guy even knew there were girls on the other side and the girls probably didn’t know there was a guy far, far back from them.
Does it? I can’t see what BG looks like. I have tried to see, and I can’t make out much.
Your coverage has integrity, is impartial, free from personal opinion, and based in truth. ABC, NBC, CBS, they should all learn from you.
They’re the local nbc channel. Bottom right corner has their logo.
Talking to agents of the state without an attorney!
He didn't talk with an attorney until 22 of November. He was arrested Oct 26. In Westville by Nov 2. Torture first, then public defender much later.
@@ITSANEWDAY-co1tni think that is what they meant, that you shouldn’t talk to them without the lawyers
I agree! I think BW should have been looked into way more. He comes off so creepy and suspicious.
We know he did even found a bullet casing and even admitted it multiple times
Brad Webber was clocking out at work when Libby was recording the Bridge Guy, wasn’t he?
Also, does he even look like the Bridge Guy?
Finally, per my simple Google search, it is a very common error for smart phones to give “headphones inserted” errors when they get water damage.
I found several posts on this topic:
“I accidentally spilled water on my phone, and now there's an error where the phone detects earphones even when there isn't. How do I fix this?”
“If your cellphone is showing a “headphones inserted” error after water damage, you can try these steps:
Check for water damage
Look for water, evaporation, or dried water markings behind the screen, or corrosion marks at ports. You can also check the Liquid Damage Indicator (LDI), which is usually located in the headphone jack, battery compartment, or SIM tray slot. If the LDI is red or maroon, your phone has water damage.”
I have seen nothing to prove “bridge guy” was actually the killer.
The headphones detected reported in the logs, not as a message on the phone.
Oh so there is an enhanced Video? Are we going to see it?
I think RA is guilty, but I don’t think the prosecution proved it.
My heart and prayers are with the families ❤ I can't imagine the pain they must be feeling . I just hope they can have closure despite the outcome
Wonderful summary from Katy. I totally agree with you, there’s too much reasonable doubt. I think worst case it’s going to be a hung jury and mistrial.
I want Katy on my team if I ever need a lawyer. I thought this defense sucked.