Analyst says someone plugged headphones into Libby's phone | Trial Day 16| DELPHI DEBRIEF
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- A digital forensic examiner testified Tuesday in a Carroll County courtroom.
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Never in my life have I seen a case against someone that leads to so many doubts. He’s been in prison for 2 years on what evidence? A shell case that wasn’t even used in the murders that COULD have been cycled through his gun!? You’ve already ruined this man’s life. I believe he is innocent and if he truly
Is I pray the jury finds him not guilty. This is scary for every American.
The state police went as far as to uninvite the FBI from the case.
I don’t think he’s completely innocent- I think he unknowingly had a hand in this, but he’s definitely been patsied, the fall guy. There’s no way ONE person did this. I don’t believe he is the murderer.
@@sonofhibbs4425 Then there would be no reason for him to keep quiet, what you're saying is nonsense.
The only doubts are in your heads!
@NB-ky50l bro, there’s WAY more evidence, it’s not just the shell casing…
I've been an iPhone repair technician for 12+ years. Yes, water and dirt can cause a headphone jack on an iPhone to register that something is plugged in. However, if it was indeed water or dirt that was causing the phone to think that there was something plugged into the jack, then it would have never started registering that it was no longer plugged in. The water and dirt would have damaged the jack and that's why you get false readings. Meaning the phone would have needed to be repaired for it to stop registering that nothing was no longer plugged in or it would have needed to be removed from the water and dried out. There is a possibility, if dried out, the phone would start functioning correctly again. In these circumstances, that would have been impossible since the prosecution is claiming that the phone was under her foot the whole time. The prosecution’s theory is impossible. A phone can’t start operating correctly again if it’s not either dried out and hope it works or if it’s repaired.
Hi. No, it can can fix itself. Happened to me and a quick google search tells you.
Right if it had a dirt or water obstruction it would have probably done a reset, they wouldn't have been able to access it.
@RedMissileGaming I can not understand a word. Always IT had been no good for me. If you can explain it more easy, pls. So, someone touched or not the phone?
@@tinamartina1801re-read his comment. It is simply written.
@@johnusher83 Oh okay, Google said it, so it must be true. If your phone is lying in dirt and water it will not repair itself. If you remove it from the dirt and water it might start working again once it's dried out. You're 100% wrong in your assumption. Given the circumstance there's no way dirt or water caused the phone to register that something was plugged into it.
The jury in the trial for the step-mother that killed Gannon Stauch also were able to ask questions. I think it’s so helpful.
I love it !
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I knew yrs ago some states allow it but I'd forgotten
I think it's good too
I'm still out on guilty or not though. Tough case for this Jury I envy them none
Sweet precious Gannon💙💙
I think is really good to have this chance to ask questions. In the U.K. if only a judge precedes a trial he would read his statement that goes step by step in explaining why and how she/he reached her/his conclusion and why her/he’s sentencing is appropriate.
Now, I’m a psychologist with both academic and practical experience, I used to run a service that was tailored by myself and my neighbour, was headhunted to take a part in a separate pilot project and was a part of Criminal Rehabilitation Initiative, CRI. As a part of my BSc Psychology degree I had a whole unite Forensic Psychology where the main focus was on Witness Testimony and Interviewing techniques Top down-Bottom up technique being one.
So, more than 20 years ago it’s been determined that Eyewitness Testimony shouldn’t be used at all! As a student we started researching this topic by watching a footage of 5min where a crime takes place. Following the video we have ten minutes to recount what we remember happening in the footage. Second recall was after 15min, 2h, 24h and if we as students who expected the scenario made it so wrong then some woman with history of mental health issues such as anxiety.
I struggle to understand what exactly connects RA to this case is less than other people. State brought experts that tweaked the evidence to serve their theory as from the moment they decided RA is their guy all other theories fell down the drain and everything has to be skewed. They don’t follow the science and evidence based approach! It’s like a different dimension, those people are so sure in their own ignorance and arrogance that is so insulting to the memory of those lovely girls!
I am furious that this case is totally dismissing what the trial supposed to be about! How dare to do this just to cover their stupidity. This case turned to be insane incompetence and out of touch posse realised how stupid they look like so they send FBI away and stupidity became a malice!
This is so surreal and disgusting that Saudi Arabia is more human in or desecrate 🎉
This prosecution and this judge and these law enforcement officers have made me lose any and all faith I have had in the Justice system. This entire trial has been anything but fair. Libby and Abby will not get Justice and it is entirely the fault of the judge, state and law enforcement. Such a travesty.
Sadly no one in this world today is worth a damn I think anybody about maybe 60 and under it's just a ruined Society no one knows anything anymore
I agree. The State of Indiana is ultimately responsible for Gull. This circus should never have happened. It's worse than Communism because nothing is done. Indiana It's a big coverup for KILLERS.
This was never about determining the truth. It was about convicting someone in order to close the case and end the investigation.
100% Agree 🎯@@michaeltreacy6356
@michaeltreacy6356 it's disgusting
It is concerning that those in authority can ruin a mans life with shoddy evidence. There is a predator out there still. The FBI should take these small town cases from the beginning.
When is found not guilty, will you welcome him as your next door neighbor??
@@EP-fq8mqYes l would have him as my neighbor. I would pray over him for what he has had to go through. A sexual predator is still out there.
Yes! A predator is out there. I see a cult killing. Read The Ultimate Evil by Maury Terry, an investigative journalist for information on such cults.
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@@chericarreon7553I completely agree. I wouldn't be scared to have him as a neighbor, as long as he didn't live in Delphi, there is still a ritualistic murderer out there. Probably more than one.
I don’t understand. No matter if his car was seen there or not is irrelevant when he himself went to police to let them know he was there.
It’s not rare for a perp to insert themselves into a case thinking they won’t be suspect if they offer to help.
I've watched this case from day one and he as been pulled all the way through Jesus what's going on ,I read if I'm wrong well that in is cell he had some papers from the prosecution and so he nos the details of how the girls were killed
@@Moonbeamer7 It's not unusual for a an innocent person either.
I really enjoyed this debrief! Thank you ladies for doing an amazing job at gathering information and reporting on it!!!!
If you can't see the shady work from this police group you got major problems... Whether he did it or not they don't have the evidence and there's a lot against the prosecution
Sucks the defense is so limited with funding to pay for all these tests that the State should have done properly since it’s their burden to prove.
The state didn't want proper testing. They just wanted a scapegoat.
I don't know what the public would have done without this coverage. Thank you so much for the day to day breakdown and analysis. It is shocking that cameras were not permitted in court.... at least audio coverage could have been approved! The judge on this case is a law unto herself. Richard Allen is not getting a fair trial.
@101GM8 you should be concerned for both. Even though I believe he's guilty (although I don't know if I could convict him yet beyond reasonable doubt), you should still be concerned about him getting a fair trial. The implications are huge for society if we are meant to be presumed innocent until proven guilty and we don't get a fair trial.
Imagine, trying to mount a defense from complete isolation, from"thehole" there is something that they are trying to hide from the public. Something stinks about this.
@@101GM8 a trial is not about the victims rights . It's about the defense rights to a fair trial. The victims are gone, the families will have their day during victims impact statements . It about his rights until conviction. Otherwise he would have been linched
We would have been fine. There’s far more comprehensive and truthful coverage that isn’t on TH-cam.
We are experiencing a better version of what everyone experienced with trials, before the advent of television and video cameras in the court room. Kinda sucks really.
Justice for the Girls: Rest In Peace 🌸Abigail "Abby" Joyce Williams (June 23, 2003 - February 13, 2017) and Liberty "Libby" Rose Lynn German (December 27, 2002 - February 13, 2017)
Corrupt prosecutor , corrupted case..therefore No justice for Abby & Libby
Exactly. The true victims in this case will get no justice because law enforcement tried to blame a likely innocent person instead of conducting a thorough investigation.
Either way, we will always have doubt.
No cameras, no wonder.
You both are doing a great job explaining everything. I’ve watched several court attendees, and this is my favorite now. Thanks so much!
For someone to know that plugging the headphone in cuts the sound has to be very phone saavy. Here we are many years later and I am just learning you can do that. It would make me think the suspect would be younger. Probably the younger the more likely
Some debriefing from other Channels are too much of that make sense. Too much talking unnecessary. These ladies are to the point no fluff. Just so annoying that the judge wouldn’t let cameras in there! We are entitled to see and hear all this! If we as citizens can obtain any of these documents we should be able to watch the trial
Surely there is no way that the jury will find Richard Allen guilty after hearing all this. I just can't see that happening!
If I was on that jury, I'd be feeling like this is heading for a mistrial. Even if it really was Allen, there are too many discrepancies in play now. Some could have been avoided (his custody conditions). Others just aren't adding up.
Hes guilty
im not saying that its not possible he murdered those girls im saying their case sucks
Surely they will let the guy go after they heard how he talked about m*lesting his sister. You people have abandoned all rational logic here.
That's only because you are hearing what the media wants you to hear, within the framework that will cast the most doubt, with the goal to get the most views.
This definitely seemed more planned than just some dude on a bridge who randomly decided to hurt 2 girls. This makes no sense. I think there was too much focus on a man on a bridge when something else could have happened. Weird stuff
Hence why police called off a search. They knew more.
@sarzbeth Makes me wonder if the bridge guy has been a red herring all along!! Not saying that for sure but wouldn’t that be crazy if he wasn’t even involved!!?
I strongly believe that even if RA is guilty, this whole case has been handled so poorly that it has started to look like a sh&@!t show. For every piece of evidence that is presented, a thousand reasons are created to disprove it. I lost respect for the media and law enforcement.
"The Magic Phone & The Jumping Bullet"
Since law enforcement and prosecutors want to keep "playing pretend," let these words serve as a reminder that the truth is real, and the real killers are still out there. This circus must end. Release the innocent man, properly investigate the case, follow up on the "Odin" report, and arrest the true perpetrators. Continuing this facade is a waste of everyone’s time and a stain on justice.
It’s alarming that one man's constitutional rights have been blatantly violated, yet no one in authority has intervened. Bad judges are rare, but Judge Gull's decisions take the cake. Her rulings have gone beyond questionable, bordering on bizarre. Consider this: during trial, a juror asked a question to someone on the stand, and after they answered, the prosecutor objected, which Judge Gull then sustained-leaving the jury without an answer. This undermines the very essence of a fair trial.
Then there’s the DNA issue. According to law enforcement, a foreign male DNA profile was collected at the crime scene-specifically used to compare with DNA swabs in this case. However, we’ve been told the DNA doesn’t match Richard Allen or the victims. Now, at trial, DNA has mysteriously disappeared as a factor, with the state claiming it no longer has the DNA once used in comparison. Are we to believe that crucial evidence-key in convicting someone in courts for decades-has simply vanished?
Similarly, interviews related to the case have been suspiciously erased. The state first claimed the interviews on the hard drive were deleted. Then they said they were recorded over, and later blamed a DVR malfunction in February, May, and June of 2017. Which is it? It can’t be all three. How many “coincidences” need to pile up before everyone acknowledges the gross mishandling of this case?
Meanwhile, the treatment of Richard Allen in custody has been inhumane and publicly humiliating. Forced to endure severe mental distress, he experienced a psychotic episode, during which he ate his own feces. This degrading ordeal was seen on camera, in court, even with family members present.
Numerous law enforcement officers-including former Delphi Police Chief Steve Mullins, ISP Lt. Holman, Sheriff Tony Liggett, and ISP officer Harshman-have lied in depositions and on the stand, misrepresenting evidence to the jury. Judge Gull remains unchecked, seemingly the most powerful woman in Indiana, allowing these errors to go uncorrected. The Attorney General and his investigator, who graduated from the ISP academy alongside ISP Superintendent Doug Carter, have also been present in court. Superintendent Carter, dubbed "DC the Riddler," has long teased that he withheld information only the killer would know. But after all these years, are we to believe this secret was the presence of a van? That seems highly implausible.
The state has constructed a timeline that seems implausible. According to their account, the "Bridge Guy" video was recorded at 2:13 p.m. on February 13, 2017. They allege that Richard Allen, startled by Brad Weber’s van at 2:32 p.m., then crossed the creek, committed the murders, staged the scene, and managed to escape-all without being seen. The idea that he could accomplish all this undetected strains belief.
Additionally, witness Sarah Carbaugh, who created the sketch of the "older" Bridge Guy, reported seeing a similar figure at 3:57 p.m. on North County Road 300. However, neither she nor any other witness has identified Richard Allen as the person they saw. The timeline doesn’t align with this account, especially given that the state now appears to be relying on Weber’s van as the main evidence against Allen.
Taken together, these inconsistencies in timing and witness statements cast serious doubt on the state's narrative.
The unfolding of this case is beyond a travesty; it’s a series of injustices that continue to this day. Richard Allen deserves better. It’s maddening and heartbreaking that the very people sworn to serve and protect would compromise their duty for job security, a rampant issue across Carroll County and Indiana.
It’s said that every ISP academy graduate hears ISP Superintendent Doug Carter whisper, “Never do anything to discredit this organization.” Yet, we’re seeing the opposite, with the "blue line" prevailing over honesty and accountability. Crossing that line or speaking out can cost an officer their job or even worse, sometimes your life.
Judge Frances Gull originally appointed Baldwin & Rozzi as Allen's public defenders, only to later remove them-an unconstitutional act that the Indiana Supreme Court reversed, reinstating Baldwin and Rozzi. Judge Gull’s erratic and dubious decisions signal something deeply wrong, undermining the integrity of this case and the judiciary as a whole. We need an end to this circus.
During his time at Westville Prison, Richard Allen suffered from severe, drug-induced psychotic episodes. The antipsychotic drugs he was forced to take only intensified his condition. Fortunately, he is no longer in that state of mind-at least for now. This troubling period of his life is now coming to light, and it’s important that the public understands what he endured. For anyone suggesting he’s “faking it” or questioning his mental state at the time, please note that Richard Allen is not pleading insanity in this case. Whether you believe he was “crazy” then or not is irrelevant; this argument simply does not apply here.
I think you actually might be insane
Beautifully Put....
Definitely insane to write all that nonsense
What was written is absolutely going on. Completely agree! Well said!
@howardproductionco brain rot, you probably just heard about the case..
If someone plugged headphones into the jack it was to silence any incoming call/notification sound in hopes that it would not notify a search party member to the location of the crime scene. The fact that whatever this device was (headphones or whatever accessory), was attached/detached at times possibly directly related to the dispatch of a search party this would also mean that whomever attached the acessory in question had intimate knowledge of the plans and location of the search party in relation to the crime scene. Testimony was given that the suspect was seen leaving the scene covered in ONLY mud then at a much later time (years possibly) both mud and blood by a "witness" who was driving by the area that afternoon. This testimony however unlikely😑😐, has been accepted by the prosecution and the court. If the suspect had committed these murders and was seen leaving the scene walking (eventhough he had a vehicle) then who was tampering with the phone that night?
I think this also proves once again how incompetent law enforcement was in their investigation. The fact that they didn’t pick up on this is huge. Either they purposely didn’t admit this (in order to frame Allen) or they missed it.
This phone issue is one I don't know if we can answer. A lot of theories but unlikely that the killer (whoever it was) took the phone, listened to it with an ear jack for hours, and then put it back. The video Libby took was incriminating as she mentioned the gun and caught BG's appearance and voice. Whether the killer was Allen or someone else it seems that s/he would get rid of the phone. I suppose someone could have taken it, listened to it in a concealed area, and then put it back but why? I hope the jury can ask questions and decide for themselves what they think. Clearly the examination of the phone should have given a better explanation!
@@TamaraOHearn If bridge guy saw them recording him wouldn't he just destroy the phones altogether? I watched a video by a TH-camr and I agree with her, the voice and the footage don't match up. The video and audio may have been edited, they possibly occured at different times and could be two different people completely.
That's exactly what I thought when I heard this. And, thus, why were there no fingerprints on that plug or even the entire phone!!??????
Whole damn investigation botched from the get go!
You failed to mention that Betsy passed Abby and Libby on the trail right after she saw RA on the bridge. Important piece of information you should’ve mentioned.
The defense just destroyed the prosecution. Its over folks
We'll see, I hope so
Why was the phone not just removed ? Why would the killer leave it at the scene ??
To give false evidence so he doesn’t get caught
@@spurs5677 That makes no sense whatsoever!
Why didn’t the perp take a tracking device with him??
If it was under Abby's body he might not have noticed it
So many men back into parking spots. My husband does it all the time. Why? I dont know!
Because it's safer and it's easier to get away, think ahead, it's not hard.
@Stroopwaffe1 what's my husband getting away from. Don't insult me. Silly. My point is it's not weird.
It’s faster to leave…
@@Bigg_Swig my point is it's not strange or uncommon
People who do that are just hiding from the repo man
Just want to tell anyone who woke up sad today, that we will be ok guys 🇺🇸♥️
devastated
How quick people forget what happened last time
Devastated for America and the world.....
@@Michiganmegs I remember my wallet was pretty heavy last time
@@breadfan9that was before the pandemic. Trumps tariffs will be sure to help inflation…. Not. Get ready to see a lighter wallet, maybe some moths. Good talk.
You ladies are great...I got more information from the both of you than any of the others in all these years.
Shoddy police work.
At its finest!
They manipulated that phone early on in 2017, with a reqson.
They never wanted this case to be solved.
After all, the real ki**s are their own people (and higher ups) with ever changing story of the fam.
Shane and KG with many manyyyyyyyy other players.
Can you please elaborate? I don’t know all these inside rumors/notions! I’d love to hear all about them!
Excellent report. Thank you for providing such thorough updates and information. Will tune in to all of your reports.
All I hear is BLAH BLAH BLAH No evidence
If Richard Allen is found not guilty for this crime (which based on this shoddy investigation I believe that he should be.) I whole heartedly believe that he should sue the f*&k out of the law enforcement's office for the way that he was treated. To be placed into these conditions ever is crazy but prior to having your day in court is the definition of cruel and unusual punishment
Really great coverage/reporting of the trial. Bring these ladies back!
This case is a mess. I don’t think we will ever know the truth. 😢
Feel so incredibly sorry to the girls and their families.
Great information ladies thank you 😊
Isn’t this the Comet reporter who got Ali Motta (Defense Diaries) kicked out of the well by judge Gull?? 🙄
Is it? What an awful thing to do. It’s like the people who spied on their neighbors during Covid to make sure relatives weren’t coming to see the children…
They also were calling the victim little women
Which one ? The one on the right who loves the camera.
Sounds like a petty Karen thing
Great job on Day 16 recap!
You guys/ladies are really great reporters. Thanks so much.
You both did very well covering this update.
You should be proud over your reporting on this. Great work! Thanks from Sweden 🇸🇪
Can we all move to Sweden? Not happy about our orange man president elect.
I'm beyond THRILLED that TRUMP elec is President!!!! Our Country was better before 2020 for sure. Hopefully our Country can heal a little now. 🇺🇸❣️🙏
Isn't this the outstanding reporter that was trying to read the note from RA to his wife ? Pick more reputable guests guys
Absolutely, this lady fits right in with the corrupt police . SMH !
The cartridge was examined by a flawed methodology. It should have been done by a blind test.
US military use the same method so do all CSI. Its yet to be disproved just hypothesise
@@GibboFrankmy ex husband was the Sheriff of a huge area for twenty plus years - the way that the state's expert did it is a joke according to law enforcement.
@@marygoff3332😂😂😂 oh so now the wife of a sheriff of God knows where is an expert. Ballistic testing is so far advanced nowadays. Allen is the butcher. Even he thinks it and says it repeatedly
The FBI, ATF, Institute of Justice, and the NFSTC disagree with you. With your thinking, all the defense had to do was fire 3 p226s and demonstrate that the ejection marks are all the same which would have absolutely crushed the State's case.
But they didn't, I wonder why. 🙄
@MetailMills It likely came down to money. The defense doesn't have an endless pit of money like the prosecution has.
Most of that doesn't even seem plausible. Technology often glitches, especially laying there in the dirt with condensation and such.
No-one can plug in a headphone jack in one millisecond.
Is this the Karen from the Comet who took it upon herself to complain loudly to the judge about a lawyer reporting on the case not having the credentials to look at the evidence when she was?
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oh the lawyer would be ali from defence diaries karen got the attention of the judge who shoured ar ali to get out she stood up for herself against the judge still didnt get a chance to look at the exhibits.
Ladies you did a great job! Thank you
What about Abby's phone? Am i missing something, did she had a phone? Why we only talk about Libby's phone?
She didn't have one
@An_Drea_Calling thank you, that's also really strange tho, do we know why she didn't have a phone?
What a great job? It was balanced and fair. Thank you!
What happened is that both girls took off fast into the direction of the creek. Abby got wet as she crossed the creek, Libby was probably already naked and had her cloths in her hand with the phone in the shoe and lost some of her cloths into the river during that process. I'm not sure why Abby had the cloths of Libby on. Perhaps she got cold and had to put em on during the "R". So, the pullover was too big for her and she rolled up the sleeves into her hands. As there were hairs of Libby in the sleeves, they ended up in the hands ob Abby. To force the girls to do what he wants, he "reloads" the gun again to put pressure on the girls and loses the previous unspent bullet he put into the chamber on the bridge the moment he met the girls.The Killer saw the Van, got scared and cut Libbys vein at her neck. Libby grabs the wound but the blood still spurts out of the vein, she can hardly stand on her feet and holds on to the tree with her blood-stained hands. She lets go and staggers around, falls on her knees and finally dies. Meanwhile Abby faints or is shocked that much she can't move and remains on her back. Also her vein got cut. (I Guess if she just faint the buddy would bring her back as a last result to save himself.) Libby got dragged by her arm to the big branch next to a tree. Due to the location of her "loose" head the blood ran over her face and there are scratches on her back. I don't know why there were only branches and not leaves used to cover the bodies. That is a mystery to me. Looks like someone tried to build some kind of a lean-to or similar.
You would think the family would want justice, but their just as bad as the judge and prosecutor they're so quick to judge that they might be playing into the murderer being free. shame on them.
You would see water damage
The man is innocent
Superb reporting ladies
The time that that discrepancy of the ports on the phone would have occurred when they went across the creek .According to the State RA was long gone .
We love Bob and Emily but y’all did great!! Terrific!
What about the flat cap the bridge guy is wearing. Surely his family ,friends and Co workers would recognise it. Golf hat
I have no doubt his family knows if it's him or not. It doesn't take more than that to recognize a family member.
It was recognized. 16 people called the tipline to say that Bridge Guy was Ron Logan
Brad holder wears that hat but he’s untouchable because he’s a practicing odinist
Excellent analysis + discussion
Wait... why is his phone missing??
I have done many years in security housing units( SHU) in California’s Department of corrections whereby I was in solitary 23/7 and never experienced what “Bridge Man” has experienced. Also I have friends who did over 30 years in Pelican Bay(SHU) as well as ADX Colorado, Federal Bureau of Prisons without any ill effects. I imagine it’s all about ones mindset . It takes a strong mind to prevail. This person, “Bridge Guy” is weak minded or he wouldn’t be in the situation he is now. I say if convoluted put him in the big yard with the fellas they’ll deal with him accordingly
Why weren't the FBI brought into this case to do a thorough examination of the crime scene and evidence there
They didn't even have to be brought in. They were already there and were kicked off the case. That makes one wonder.
Mullins removed FBI ...red flag
They kicked off the FBI because they disagreed with their assessment
My husband was very sick and bed ridden in the hospital. He became delirious because he was isolated. He could not tell if it was day or night for example.
Yes, my husband went back to normal when he got well and home.
Yall are awesome!!❤
Starts at 03:00
The way I see it, whether guilty or innocent, judges/cops/authorities packed 10 years of solitary confinement within 1.5 yrs. Inhumane for anyone that is assummed innocent until proven guilty.
Unexcusable really.
I don't know much but did this guy get arrested because some halfwit said the shell casing markings matched his gun😮?. They did not compare other weapons to see if they could have left similar markings or not. That would leave their findings null and void. This is what they had? Forget about what happened after he was arrested, that's a whole class on misconduct, illegal acts and how to guarantee a new trial that the family will have to sit thru again. As a citizen of Indiana that has to be scary, that they arrested a person because of shoddy policy on shell case markings. And to be a juror where they allow to ask questions and no one asked anything about the testing of that shell casing and no one asked about a person's rights while being held has me believing they will convict this guy. I hope it's the right guy but there will be another trial coming if they do.
It's not the right guy.
Didn't he confess something like 61 times? I believe in false confessions. And I've been to jail and know what it's like to want to say you're guilty just to hurry the process up. But THIS MANY TIMES? He suddenly started acting strange after meeting with lawyers. And the bullet is too coincidental. He even confessed he played with the gun and maybe a bullet fell out.
He also confessed to seeing the van that disrupted him. No one even knew about a can being nearby until later when the driver mentioned being there. How did he know about the van at that time and place of he wasn't the one there?
He also has DV history. Police have been called in regards to him, but his wife never followed thru and pressed charges. So he seems like someone without a history. Ppl speed all the time and just don't get caught. No one can say "they never sped in their life". You just gotta get caught.
So someone without moving the phone knew a call was coming in and in a millisecond put headphones in to quiet the ring. Impressive..
It was more likely that water damage caused the port to malfunction causing it to read that the headphone Jack was plugged into the device as soon as it rang. Then a few hours later it registered that the plug was removed. Had the phone not died it would’ve registered back and forth between plugged in and not plugged in 🤷♀️
@@georgiegirl8345 that makes no sense.
I will take the word of an expert over a Google search, thank you very much. ❤
@@georgiegirl8345exactly
Right just turn phone down.
@@georgiegirl8345 yea, that's what I think too. I could only use my phone on speaker after a few drops of water from hand washing landed on phone.
This is an older-style phone with a hard connecting jack as opposed to Bluetooth. Evening/morning dew would complete the circuit and the phone would log a connection. The phone never changed orientation which indicates that no one moved the phone. Dew would work well with the timing of the connection.
That phone would not have been exposed to dew: it was under a body, under a shoe. If anything, it might have been in contact with moist soil or a moist leafbed.
@@u.synlig Under a body that is cooling? Do you understand how moisture condenses in changing temperatures? I am sure that you can Google 3rd grade science if needed.
@@Stringsmiththat’s cool and all but do you have proof? Bc without it what you just said doesn’t mean a damn thing
@@justinpruitt9285 Do I have proof that condensation can complete a circuit? This is 3rd grade science. Maybe you were absent that day.
@@Stringsmith wish prosecutor could have hired you. They can not afford you.
I wonder if they were taking and left the area, and were brought back at 4:30am after the search teams left and then her phone regained service? That would explain the random service, the plug in, the call, etc.
I regularly tune into this channel Tops reporting on this case. Thank you ladies Appreciate
RA doesn't look like a very tall guy, one can not say that about BG🧐
Wow, bring back the gentleman who usually does this instead of the woman who works for the newspaper!
She was CLEARLY biased and it showed, whereas the usual folks show no bias whatsoever.
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He was covering the election
Right away she said she was stepping in because he was covering the election .
Amy is very thorough, really great!
Has it been discussed as to why one was naked and the other wearing the other's clothes? Sounds ritualistic to me. Also, it wld seem difficult for one person to control both girls, and do all that was done to them.
The phone went through water . It’s malfunctioning. This program is misleading in many ways. Not good reporting.
From the get-go it has been my opinion that Eichard Allen is innocent from everything that I have heard regarding this case.
Since the girls seem to have been familiar with social media would it be possible they met someone online? Has anyone looked into this direction? Did they usually go for walk alone, or was this first time? How much convincing did they have to do in regards to their parents? Would this bridge not be an ideal meeting point - you can't miss it, it is a landmark, and there is a road close by as well?
Defense was not allowed to bring up evidence that they were talking with a now convicted child predator on the same day of the murder
@@quinnvids Thank you!
You said the phone was off when it was found so are you saying it was dead or turned off ?
This would be the dumb criminal of the day event or laughable at best, ie, leaving what could be a 'smoking gun' cell phone at the scene. But ok, instead of just taking the phone, the criminal just happened to have earphones which fit, is in or on scene for hours, or returns, in the dark, search already underway, plugs/unplugs phone, four times, cycles the phone methodically for information, moves the victim, places the phone in a shoe under her and disappears. SERIOUSLY???
Ladies, excellent teamwork. I thought you both worked great together.
I feel like this case is similar to the Richard Jewell case from Georgia. Richard Allen is not even the right person/s to be acused.
How about cell phone data for van guy? Where was he that day?
The state filed a motion to keep out their own geofencing as it didn't match their theory and would have helped the defense.
@@christytobin3256I really think this case proves how much we all should be suspicious of the state. All evidence should be allowed in and the jury should be able to make a decision based on all evidence gathered.
Is that the lady from the comet who watched the video in court they weren’t suppose to watch?
was not 12 phones that were collected.it was 12 electrical devices,computers,phones,etc...have to get the facts correct
From a cyber security engineer "it was put on airplane on an iPhone 6- it did not send the icon to the interface by itself, someone put it on airplane"
Thanks Ladies good job.
Perhaps the killer placed the phone under her body to muffle any sound of the phone ringing? The parents were calling those phones they were there searching as soon as they knew something was not right.
Ive been in solitary 45 days at a time no visits no phone calls no pictures, just your mat one blanket and a bible
Yeah! The odinist or however they are called, tampered with the cellphone. What a joke.
For a local news media also known as mainstream, this channel is very fair in reporting on this case. Free Rick Allen. Not guilty
not 100% but sure better then most bias pro government pro LE stations.
Guilty as Charged
Not guilty...they need to look closer to family
@@justicejane2429these people are sick sick puppies
Agree, not guilty. Doubt created.......
Everyone knows there’s easier ways to silence a phone other than plugging in headphones. It’s a lot easier to push button on side. The headphone jack stuff is a red herring. Doesn’t even make sense that the killer would have been lingering around the bodies for 5-7 hours and plugging in and unplugging some headphones.
Betsey said she was certain she saw the car at the cps building so not sure why you’re saying it was unclear.
Exactly. Funny how differently people interpret what the hear.
Because they are bias.
Betsy said she saw a car but not RAs car. The state hasn’t been able to prove it was actually his car there that day.
No mention of defense budget limitations. This is a capital case with an indigent defendant without any power to “investigate” nor any funds $$$$$$$ to match the expert “analysis” of the state. A case whose only real “evidence” is the tortured confession of the defendant.
Really liked Amy's coverage
Kinda funny RA has every phone but the phone he had that day. The monster got rid of it...just like Kline did with his.
We don't know he had all his other phones. Also, sometimes phones break and people throw those away. I know I do, but I keep working phones when I upgrade.
If that's the best evidence, it's no evidence at all.
@@snippetsordinarylifehe had 23 other phones saved so yes we know that he had all his phones and the only one missing was the one he was using during the time of the murder so stop trying to play with the truth. the reality is there if you look at it and are willing to live in the real world where logic applies
Yes,If you kept that many phones over time ,Why would the Phone from the Day the Girls were killed you wouldn't have had as well in your home ?
@@ArohaStill Was it testified that each if those 23 phone were for Rick Allen's personal use? Or were they all the phones recovered from his household (his + family members)?
(How frequently would a person have had to replace a mobile phone, to have 23 in their possession by the end of 2022?)
@@u.synligno it wasn’t, these people are making things up, it was never testified to that he had every phone of his but that one
Regarding the phone. Are we to believe 1) that the phone was so damaged that it registered a headphone jack that wasn't there. How much other data off the phone is unreliable because of the water/soil damage to the phone (or damage that already occurred. I Have a teenage daughter and she has thoroughly damaged her phone with normal use) OR are we to believe 2) That someone was in the crime scene area off and on or there continuously until 10pm and left NO OTHER evidence of their presence. No DNA, foot prints, fingerprints, etc? I think the former must be true. the phone was pretty damaged and some or maybe all of the evidence on it is unreliable.
This trial has gone off the rails.
Some Cells update things as well ,When they are set to at certain times,They could be running Program in the Background and so forth!
I am now further perplexed as to what happend to Libbys phone at 4:33 a m. Around the 28:00 minute mark it was discussed the "phone going in and out of service". I understand that to mean there is no cell phone signal. It has been my understanding the phone shut down, or said another way,, the power turned off, the previous day at or about 2:32 p.m. Is this not correct?
It was further my understanding the phone powered back on at 4:33 a.m. the following day. And this curiousity of who, what or how this could have occurred has been unanswerable.
28:00 Was the prosecution suggesting to the cell phone witness that the reason the phone turned its power back on because the phone had regained cell service? And the witness testified this was possible?
Please clarify.
I would love to know what RA did after he left the bridge...who did he see after? And was he at home with his wife throughout the night? Why do we not have testimony of his whereabouts? Do we have video of him buying a 6 pack or was that another false memory? Like him saying he killed his grandchildren, knowing that he has no grandchildren
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I can't say definitely that he's not guilty because, you know, no one really knows what has happened on that day, but it will be so unjust for him to be found guilty on all these groundless pieces of evidence.