HOW its DONE Renault Zoe Battery upgrade 22kw to 40kw Part 2/2 🔋🔌🚗
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 มิ.ย. 2018
- In Part 2 we will see a 22kw battery upgraded ZE40 battery pack, This is a video showing the hardware being upgrade so your see the old Pack be removed and replaced with the NEW ZE40 battery pack.
This is great if you want to keep your car, but is it cost effective to upgrade your battery?
In part 1 we discussed the advantages and disadvantages of a battery swap.
LINK TO Part 1 • Renault Zoe Battery up...
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Hope you all enjoyed this 2 part series!. If the upgrade comes back and starts in the UK will you keep your 22kwh battery or will you upgrade to the 40 kwh battery?
Nicolas Raimo if the price was right would definitely be interested in upgrading. The 22kWh battery is fine 90% of the time for me, but if that extra 10% of the time could be improved without the cost of changing car, it would be very attractive.
Don't forget the battery upgrade is at a cost (see part 1) but same as you most the time the battery the 22kwh is fine for me, and having the larger battery would only give you 1 leg quicker so saving around 30 mins of a long journey
Nicolas Raimo thanks for your reply. It is not about time, but logistics for me. Locally I can charge at home and run about in ZOE fine. Long distance (> 100 miles) I can usually plan to rapid charge at motorway service stations. The frustration is that middle ground. I for instance have relatives who live seventy miles away. The 22kWh should be able to make the trip one way, but I can’t charge there. So I have two options: drive out of the way, or what we actually do: charge at a rapid charger 40 miles from home on way out and again on way home. (That makes 40-60-40 miles between charge). In the summer it’s easy. In winter I am aware that if that charger is out of order we will either be stranded on the way home, or have to hobble to a slow charger, making big delay. As has been said in the group it is not “range anxiety” but “pump anxiety”.
My thought is that with the 41kWh range I could make the same journey knowing (a) if an emergency no need to charge on way there, have enough range to go to a pump after arrival. And (b) if charger blocked or broken on way home, no sweat.
Pete please **** the swearing thanks. I think there's a good chance of renault doing it once beta is finished, why you may ask? well them 22kwh battery packs will make great home storage systems or replace packs for people on battery lease agreements currently there's no need for the old 22kwh packs but this is going to change this YEAR.
I have a joinery like this Stephen really what's needed in a charger nearer to your destination, but yes the 40kwh could help, maybe sell your car for a ZE40?
EV battery upgrade/replacement gets talked about a lot but it's great to see finally a narrated video walkthrough of it actually being done - thanks! :)
Thanks glad you enjoyed it please check out my other videos :)
Hey,
Nice video, super informative.
Can i do the EVC/BMS update by myself? Ie using Clip or other CAN for renault’s ev?
I want to do it and not sure if my dealer would adhere to my request to update the car to 41kw if it didn’t done by him. Any thoughts would be appreciated
If you replace a broken battery with the same size (both 22 kWh), do you need any coding like for a new Radio or does it just work?
I think it's just fantastic the way some EV's are designed. The upgrading of that Zoe's battery pack reminds me of when I was a kid; Swapping out the battery pack in my remote control toy car. It's the same thing......just up-scaled a bit :)
haha yep does feel like that, it's technically possible on all EV's and should be on offer more by car makes to fill that void of money there losing by the reliability of EV's.
What do you code the battery with?
With what program can batteries be coded?
BRILL VID NICK
Thanks Malcolm it’s been sat ready to upload for some time now glad it’s been released for everyone to see
took some time to edit!
Are there any that can help me tell the order to dismantle inside the big 22kwh? drawing or sketches. Or are there some who have experience separating a ZOE battery? Or know someone who can help me with data ?. I would use the Zoe modules for DIY to store solar energy.
Hi 2012 vs 2022 model hoü much km go avarage i mean üeather cold or hot?
HI there Nicolas. And thanks for you video! Lots of intusiasts want to upgrade the battery capacity indeed. But I'm in doubt. You mentioned to upgrade SW just after reassembling the new 40kWh pack... then you didn't say from where? Must we rely on Renault service? Since we're planning to get a 40kWh pack from a demaged Zoe, must we upgrade BMS? In this cas the BMS cames with the pack... Thanks for you support.
So if it's not damaged isn't it worth it the 5000 dollars to upgrade a 2013 zoe life 22kwh bat?
Thoughts on upgrading an old series Zoe born with 22 kWh to the new 52 kWh batteries of the new Zoe?
The 22kwh battery can’t be upgraded to the 52kwh you could fit a 40kwh to it but the 52kwh won’t interchange with older models
Hello Nicolas, all yours videos are very helpful for me. Last year I bought a new Zoe, this year I found a second one, but without battery . Please can you tell me, should I buy it? The car is Zoe Intense, 40 ZE, 2017, 7300km. In my country(Romania) the battery is about 12000 EUROS, at Renault dealer , second hand did not found, nor here neither in Europe. Can you give me please an E-mail address. Thank you. Otherwise I solved the tyre pressure sensors problems(TPMS) if you agree I can give you details. Thank you again, yours, Aurel
Y en a-t-il qui peuvent m'aider à dire l'ordre de démonter l'intérieur du grand 22kwh?
Hi Nick Loving the content, do you have any info on the Kangoo batteries? I have a 22kw Kangoo and I believe the current one is 33kw, I am wondering if the same swap is possible? Also, is the battery the same on the kangoo as it is on the Zoe? I know the motor is bigger on Zoe but the battery might be the same? Many thanks, Nigel
Am not such an expert on the kangoo sadly, i suspect renault use the same battery pack on both but 33kwh isn't the same as the zoe battery is bigger. In theory all batteries could be upgrade if the BMS was upgraded or it had the same level steps. Renault currently suspended battery upgrades while they await for there beta models (1st wave) to provide more data.
Nicolas Raimo ah ok , I guess we will wait and see , I think it would probably be mega bucks anyway and tbh , I am perfectly happy with 22 anyway. I just like to know a bit about what’s going on inside. No worries , keep up the interesting vids ! 🙂
Cheers I will do i hope to film something with battery expert Dr Euan Mctuck soon!, please try share my videos with family and friends am hoping to hit 2500 subscribers by Christmas!
How do you know, if the battery gets heated? When using the Can ZE App, I always feel, the battery gets only warm when I hammer the car. When driving not that fast, not in eco mode I can't see that the battery gets warm.
And below 20C it's not really charging quick above 20 kw DC . Else it's charging 30 kw dc
If you have a 22 it’s won’t have a heater unless your in selected countries
Hi Nick, another interesting video, showing just how easy it is to swap over a battery with the Renault Zoe. I can't help but wonder how far Renault will take this, maybe a 60kw/hr battery in the future ?
All possible if the size remains the same which indications are it will but I suspect it needs better cooling so it might not be able to retro fit in older models like this but we shall find out soon
Nicolas Raimo Nice video. Idea : leave the 22 kWh under the car and fit the 40 to the roof rack. Boom! Instant 62kwh Zoe... But time to get some tractor tyres.
haha, can't imagine the roof would be able to take the weight either, there was some people "towing" extra battery packs in Zoe's i saw the picture long time ago never really did a video on it because Zoe isn't rated for towing
Yes I'd love the bigger battery if it's not too expensive
if you check out part 1 i did all the cost's :)
Does this apply to the ze maxi van?
They stopped doing this program now
Thanks for video. It's very timely as I'm about to buy an older Zoe.
I thought you were going to explain the process of ordering a battery pack replacement. Any pointers?
Non have failed or got near so no need to, but if it does and your leased you’d call RCI
Thank you for replying. Do you mean we can oly replace a Zoe battery if it has failed? I thought it was available to anyone wanting to upgrade to the larger size.
And I'm sorry for my ignorant question, what is RCI?
RCI - is Renault Crédit International its the bank part of renault. Currently the upgrade is on STOP so they are waiting for DATA from the Beta testers before they decide to do anymore. If your pack failed its likely you'd get an ZE40 pack as the 22kwh isn't made anymore so they might offer you this pack as replacement.
Thank you so much for the useful info Nicolas. Where do you keep up with this kind of news? I'd like to know when they start accepting battery upgrade again.
Stay Subscribed ill announce it if i hear more!
Is anyone still offering a battery upgrade service? I know Renault stopped their in-house offering, but couldn't find any 3rd party offerings.
If you OWN your battery out right try Indra you can’t do it if a battery lease
Can the same be done for a renault Fluence?
Maybe after market
Ayone tried to battery-upgrade a Kangoo ZE (2012) 22kwh ? Anyone tried to implement quick charge on the Kangoo ZE?
I dont know why its so hard to find info on that, even renault are hopeless
I'm looking at removing a 33kwh battery from a crashed kangoo and replacing the 22kwh in a perfectly good 2016 kangoo. As far as I can see it should be possible, but will need Renault to reprogram the EVC and some other bits.
I hire electric Zoe's in the city where I live as part of the Co-Wheels car share scheme. One of them shows 170 miles when fully charged, but the others show 70 miles fully charged. Will the one that shows 170 miles have a more powerful battery or just a newer battery? I've wondered about that... Thanks!
the one with 170 miles is the ZE40 battery the larger battery and the one showing around 70-100 miles charged is the 22kwh battery. Hope that helps?
It does thanks! I've always wondered why there was a difference so that explains it. Thanks again!
no problem WillieWagglestick, stay subscribed lots of new zoe info this year!
Hi Nick, we have a Zoe 22kw and want to upgrade the battery but who do we approach as so far we are being told they dont do it ???? This is from Renault Solihull and the lease company. Can you give any advice please ?
They suspended the beta program sadly, if you own the battery you could still do it and I could likely assist
@@NicolasRaimo thank you for getting back to me so quickly, unfortunately we lease the battery so it looks like we won't be able to upgrade the battery. We enjoy your vlogs, keep up the good work. Thank you again.
@@tracydavidge7664 Thanks so much Tracy! Please check out some of my other videos and take a look at my www.patreon.com/raimonick page
how is the Zoe battery cooling? will a bigger battery need more cooling? Great video and think you for sharing
Zoe uses its air con system to cool battery pack ps welcome to my channel have you git an EV yet?
I do not even own a car - but if I need a car I hire one but I have to try and get an EV next time or when the time to buy a car an EV is first on the list ~ a local taxi driver drives has a first gen Leaf and he is very very happy with it
The reson why I asked is due to 2nd gen Leaf issues ~ they got cooling fans etc for the van but not the car!
Zoe’s has cooling since its first 22kwh battery if you watch my how to use an Ecotricity charger I discuss the battery cooling kicking in.
Massive oversight on Nissan front but it’s still a good car for most as few people will do the journey that causes issue.
You in the UK?
yes I am in the UK ~ the taxi driver works in Portsmouth (not sure what company) ~ might be worth an interview
Are Renault still doing this now. As I would like to upgrade mine to a 41Kwh battery pack.
No it was a trail and stopped shortly after this video
Be nice to buy a 40kw for my 2011 leaf in the next 2 - 3 years. I dont think I pay out for a 24kw replacement
It’s in same size space in leaf so I assume it’s more than possible, doubt Nissan will do it for a few years
Interesting I called Renault in Sweden if this service was available and they said no!
Seems that this service is only available in some countries, wonder if it is available in Turkey, Renault is big there?
it has been suspend in all markets as mentioned in video this was only beta testing and a couple of users i know some people who had it done and it may come back
Interestring thing would be, if one can get a 41kWh battery and swaps out his 22kWh battery ... how will Zoe handle this without the updates, that the owner onyl can have, if he pays the expensive swap at a dealer?
So for example ... I buy a crashed ZE40, but battery all is intact.
I rent/lease the 41kWh batetry and give Renault the 22kWh battery from my Zoe back (so it official has no battery) but then I install the 41kWh battery in my Zoe ... Renault shouldn't care, I pay the rent/lease for the 41kWh battery.
BUT what happens in my Zoe with the now 41kWh battery?
They for sure wouldn't give me the needed updates, you can't get them withoput the dealer connects the car with the Renault servers
Is there a "hack"? Or will it only show me wrong distance calculation, but uses all energy of the 41kWh battery?
Hi. Does anyone know how to tell whether battery cooling is working properly? If I plug in my Zoe straight away after driving, it cuts out charging after about 2 hours to 3 hours then has to rest for about 8 hours before it will restart. Like it has gone into a short coma. If you open the doors while it is sleeping, it starts charging again. It will charge through to 100% if you charge it for a bit, drive it out and back into the garage and put it back on charge. So, basically it has to charge for 2 stages. It seems it might charge if you rest it after driving which makes me think about battery cooling.
Does your aircon/heating work?
@@NicolasRaimo Yes. However, when the car's software was updated the aircon did not work. I was boiling hot in the car but at this time the charging was more reliable for the few days when the car was a sweat box. Weird. The dealer kept telling me that the aircon needed to be recalibrated and told me to set the temperature to something - maybe 18 degrees, maybe 28 and then hold the auto button for at least 15 seconds. This did not bring the aircon back. I took the car back in and was told that the aircon pressure sensor needed to be reset and that they had done this. The aircon started to work again. However, the problem with charging continued.
Also, @@NicolasRaimo, thanks for the quick response.
Who do I contact to get the 22kw battery replaced with a 40kw battery? I contacted my dealer and was told this can't be done?
It’s in BETA so only selected people st start had option unsure if this will be rolled out stay subscribed and if I hear more video will be released
@@NicolasRaimo They dont want to sell the battery's they want you to buy an new car.
Hi can these batteries be stripped and used as a power bank
Thanks
there is a company called POWERVAULT that are using the packs from these for home storage all batteries are part of a closed circuit so they will be reused for uses like this
Thanks do you know if these can be stripped and cells used individually like the outlander battery or are they laser welded like vag batteries, thanks for your help I specialise in toyota batteries
there folded cells rather than what you get in a Tesla, am assuming they can be split as the power vault systems are VERY small compared to the overall pack size
Thanks for your help
no problem I think you'd struggle to buy them as Renault are very strict about having them back and most Zoe's sold have a lease battery meaning they own the battery anyway. Please subscribe to the channel i hope to visit the plant who makes them into storage devices soon.
Hey mate has anyone in the uk had this done?
Not under Renault direct no, they also suspended it in Europe but it’s more than possible to do it
Nicolas Raimo how though if you rent the battery ?
@@TheCoopsvids not all zoes have rented batteries some are battery owned
Nicolas Raimo so this is only for peeps who own the battery on the i model then ?
i love how you can just swap out the battery to give your car a new lease of life...
Not just a new lease a bigger range also!
What is the cost of the battery
see part 1 :)
Hi Nicolas Raimo
Nice video. I'm now starting to upgrade my 22Kwh battery to 41kwh. The hardware work is no problem but I need more details about the programming part. Can I contact you on email or Facebook?
Your best talking to a Renault dealer about the programming part this isn’t something am privy to
How did you get on with programming? I’ve just fitted a 41kw battery in an originally 22kw zoe, I bought the car without a battery. I now need the software update but I’m struggling to find any information.
@@CPCastaldo About to do the same, but trying to figure out the can log update that it needs. Did you get it sorted in the end?
@@CuddihyPaul no joy. Not yet anyway. I’ve found a guy who’s meant to be a genius on these. He’s taking the car mid December. Hopefully he’ll get it up and running!
@@CPCastaldo from what ive found looking into it, copying the can logs from a 41kw car and editing it to suit with existing cars info should make it work "in theory" will be trying it myself prob over the Christmas break. if you get it to work would be really interested to find out who managed it as a back up option.
Please correct the title. It is "22kWh to 41kWh". Furthermore the BMS, that is inside the battery, is NOT updated after the swap, but the EVC (Electric Vehicle Controller) is. But the video presentation is nice.
thanks
Hey there,
Is it possible to update the EVC diy? Ie using clip or some other hardware /software?
If I have to pay extra ££££'s for the battery upgrade, I want to own the battery not continue with the lease but I don't think Renault will make that possible. I fear I will have trouble selling my Zoe as people will now only want the 41KWH version.
Not true, 22kwh model will always sell as it still does the task it was made for, in fact i have 1 in stock and 2 people just turned up to view it at the same time. If it fits your needs now it will fit someone else's in the future like all cars its price will drop and more people will find it affordable and as fuel increases it will become a more popular buy.
Ideally I'd like to trade mine in for a 41KWH battery owned version but my local Renault Dealer doesn't seem at all interested or equipt to sell or service my car even though it was bought from them 2 years ago.
I can assist with dealers in the UK if you wish, contact me by clicking About on my youtube channel and then show my email address. Thanks again for subscribing
And what are they doing 5 years later? Laughing there faces off at there existing customers, telling them to buy a new car. Yeah OK Green that is.