Fans and pundits are so stuck on formations which is hilarious because coaches today are more concerned with the shape of the team at different phases of play. The formation is just how the player line up or start as a base before shifting into the defensive/attacking/transitional shape
Does that mean when he loses, he isn't actually losing? 😊 As long as he plays a system, and not a formation. Or does it change when he plays a formation instead of system? If I said that my wife was the most beautiful woman in the world, would it be true if I said it so many times? Or does that only work when football managers say it? I don't understand why people believe everything they hear. But here we are.
He didn't have to change last night tho. It's just the personal he chose to play that system was absolutely criminal. Everyone and their dog knows you can't play Casemiro and Ericsen together in the midfield as a two. That's just suicide
I’ve been watching the United Stand and United View for a few years and I noticed the main difference between Flex and Goldbridge is that Flex doesn’t speak in absolutes, he doesn’t speak from a position of authority and is way more likely to be have a conversation with people that disagree with him, instead of just insulting their intelligence. Appreciate you Flex👌🏾
Amorim is correct. If he changes his ‘system/approach’ and goes back to the previous system that would mean going back to a system that was proven not to work! Short-term solutions have been the problem for the last 10 years. They don’t work in the long term. Open heart surgery!!!
Owen is the biggest hypocrite on this channel. He CRIED during summer that if INEOS sacked EtH it would be stupid and the worst way to start the season. Now he is saying it’s mismanagement that they kept him. What a joker.
Yeah they all changed their tune and are now saying it was a mistake to sack him and now they are blaming keeping Eth as the problem. These fan channels don’t know anything
@@joseph4400no one said they know anything 😂.. they comment as everyone else .. they r fans first off .. hindsight they say .. they dont effect anything at the club .. u hv misplaced anger
@@kayflow9023no anger here, just a realisation. They are fans like us yes, but when they start saying nonsense like “the fanbase” and try and seclude themselves from the rest of us, they feel as if they’re above other fans. Trust, if you watched the show I am referencing, you’d understand how dismissive he was about the idea of sacking EtH
@ mate that’s literally the entire fan base .. how many of us said Full sale was the only option n were referred to by mainstream media n ppl like G Nev as foreign fans .. the narrative was plain xenophobic.. Ineos is going well now isn’t it? i backed eth n said this will continue even with a new manager cos the culture of the club stinks. we were dismissed. on the other hand u can also look at Ineos who at the end of the day messed up. they made the decision to keep eth give him a new contract and then sack him.. THEY made the decision to wait for Ashworth for 6mo only to sack him after 4mo n u hv fans praising their “ruthlessness” .. its plain moronic
100% should not change system. but tweak it to a 3-5-2. an extra body in midfield will help and also a extra player upfront to try score some goals a 1 uptop
Why did these joke owners recruit Amirom when he has a clear style of play but then cannot get players he needs to implement his style esp now in Jan. This is on ineos and jim ratcliff, Amirom shouldnt have to change his ways and if he does this ownership has got away with it again.
These Utd fans seem to be willing to accept relegation. If you can't recruit top players with no Champions League, how do you recruit quality when you're in the Championship? And why will Kobbie, for example, want to risk his England career by playing in the second tier? I guarantee that if we get relegated they'll all be crying disaster. Because one thing is for sure fans are fickle and illogical and led by their simple minded emotions. As the saying goes, "Be careful what you wish for".
I love how people are saying Amorim shouldn't adapt, when Amorim himself made a change at 30 minutes last night to bring in an extra midfielder. Every good manager adapts their team based on the players available. Amorim doesn't know this league so he will evolve too.
There’s a difference between making a tactical tweak, and abandoning your whole system while you’re trying to implement it. Amorims ideas start with the 343 base and can morph into 4231/352 shapes. If he never implements the 343 shape and idea first then his full vision won’t ever be realized
imagine southgate came in played a back 5 and got these results, no one would back him. no idea why amorim gets unlimited support, he has to prove he's good enough.
If we somehow believe some of these players are good, I use this analogy: If you had individual quality engine parts, but they were not meant for that particular engine, the engine will not run correctly, and the vehicle won't drive.
I think Amorim using two fullbacks as wingbacks instead of an attacker in one of the wingback positions has killed us. The attacking set up he puts our meedi players in doesn’t suit them. So why would INEOS get a manager that can’t work with the current squad ? It’s just dumb. It’s not Ruben’s fault. But the more losses the more the players will not play for him.
Flex ur right, he'll lose his job otherwise won't he....? Yes . If u keep losing ,u get sacked. So to suggest making adjustments to try to win a game to save your job, that makes sense. So..but the cause of these issues is the decision making and timing of ineos. Youre not likely to get relegated, its not off the table, based on current form. However, there are likely enough games to get enough pts to survive. So therefore just let amorim keep to it...for a bit longer.. If there was a categorisation of the situation, and theres concerning worrying or serious.. A 2nd one of amorim out or players out.. And finishing position of...what do u say mu fans speaking as a lfc gal.. from my pov its 'serious' and 'players out' and id say between 11th- 16th... However if things continue i could also see ineos panicking and sacking him for...potter? Equally because we dont know the strategy of ineos they might be fine with amorim as long as can survive the drop to get to the summer. I disagree with flex, i dont think ineos would keep amorim if relegation becomes a real real likely situation..i think the next 10 games will answer alot of these questions
We can’t sake this manager given the situation, he wanted to come at the end of the season but they threw him in the deep end while we are currently in sort of a relegation battle.he needs to stay despite the losing of games even for the next few months . Only time will tell whether the players can turn it around .
Minimum he has to put a team out that can get to half-time 0-0 against Liverpool & Arsenal. If he puts the same team out the game will be over in the first 30 minutes.
have u seen us? the goal we conceded against Newcastle in 3min we’ve conceded that same goal several times under diff managers.. i don’t care who u put up there these man r defeated in the TUNNEL
Ppl say I rather get relegated under Amorim,do u realize how worse this club will be if we do get relegated! We can all say goodbye to this football if we do
Ten hag put us here. Replace a legendary keeper with a Bad keeper. Bad player aignings worsever premier league finish one loss away from relegation zone. Yes amorim is not looking good but his win rate IS TILL BETTER THAN TEN HAG. Zero %wins i. Europe this season by ten hag! Amorim beat that one ny far he is better in prem as well! Ten hag apologists wanted this now it is time... BELIEVE IN THE PLAN... GIVE IT TIME.. remember you were pushing it for 3 years now you have to follow it!
I'm hoping with a weeks worth of training for next couple weeks we some improvement but lets be honest the attack is where we are weak. When your looking at other teams and thinking I would have them attackers in my team even though they ain't that good shows you that is the area where we are lacking most. I like some of them but still it's just not good enough
I know it’s not you guys fault that you weren’t born when it happened but you know our history and therefore are fully aware that we were relegated back in the 70’s. I was 17 then so this younger generation needs to smell the coffee and realise it could easily happen again, especially the way we are playing. The sooner we and especially the players wake up to the truth the better.
He’s getting selection wrong. Why not try Martinez as dm when ugarte is not available. And should have started Antony at wb. He’s just doing same thing that doesn’t work. And doesn’t use youths.
The difference is Arteta didn’t have a team that got to 3 cup finals in 2 years and won 2 out of 3. Arteta didn’t have a team that finished 3rd 2 seasons ago.
I’m 100% Amorim in but I am starting to think we need to change and adapt to what we currently have and can do with this squad. I’m not saying 4231 but you can’t blindly lose more games. We need more bodies in the middle line a flat 3 would help us more. Or simply 352 which I know is similar to what we play but the midfield would same more solid than just 2
casemiro played well , thats good ifu gain a in better form casemiro .. United needs him! and i belive it was the first time casemiro played with mainoo and it worked good, and now comes bruno ... we are having a fair match with liverpool believe me and even if we lose we will win against arsenal , a draw at least
Before the current footballing structure at Utd came in, Utd HAD NO FOOTBALLING STRUCTURE. It’s unreasonable to query Ineos for what’s happening when actually implementing one. You’ve cried for them to rip it all up and start all over and did not think about what the immediate effects would be? This is what it looks like to shake things up and start a competent football project, from a position of not having one before. Hold tight.
When are the senior managers and the owners going to realise its not the team manager and after so many top names have been and gone that that's not the problem at Man. Utd. its the players/squad are not good enough many off them are second rate at best, especially Carthorse Maguire, time for a complete re-think of the club strategy and a clear out of the many players who are not top professionals and not club orientated, many would not be there if Sir Alex was in charge he employed only the best and booted out those who were not up to United standards or those who thought they were bigger than the club, and thats a very hard pair of boot to fill. R.
Not a United fan but Flex is right. The same people who slag off Big Ange for not changing his system and methodology are now saying Amorim should not change and stay the course! United are in serious danger of going down, it's not the time for arrogant pig headedness tbh.
As a neutral I don't understand your fans screaming that he shouldn't adapt. The worst part is it's likely the same people that mock Ange for never adapting at Spurs. If you're presented with two scenarios: 1) Continue playing the same way, with players you want to move on (so will never actually be part of this long term system) and continue losing to teams that you should be beating (you might not be a top 6 side right now but you should not be 7 points above the drop) or 2) Change up the system and see if it makes a difference short term (talking literally January until potential reinforcements can be added) and if it doesn't - there is quite literally nothing stopping you from going back to the current system Why would you ever pick scenario 1? This idea that you need to "learn the system" with players THAT WONT BE THERE makes no sense. It would be different if there was a core group of young players that you were going to build around, but your best player at the moment has 6 months left on his contract. I like Amorim, I think he has shown he has potential to be a top manager, but he has been employed by the club to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal and as of right now, he is not doing that. United are BAD, the squad is not good, but it is NOT this bad. You do not have the 16th best squad in the league. I think your fans are scarred by the ETH situation where his "just play this way short term" tactics actually just stayed the way he kept playing forever even after he flipped most of the squad into a team that should've been able to play "his system".
Arsenal fan here. You are right he has to change something. You have 1 win and 5 losses in your last 6. You will not get to 40 points if that continues.
Beat a struggling Manchester City and says Rashford was the problem”.then lost 4 in a row 😂😂😂😂..Rashford please leave in January don’t play anymore games so the don’t blame you for their relegation
Relegation would not fix the club, it would lead to even more staff redundancies, cutbacks & possible freefall down the leagues, even the possibility of bankruptcy. It is vital that we stay in the Premier league, unfortunately no matter how good of a plan or idea you think you have if it's not working over a prolonged period of time you have to change or modify it.
We keep saying Amorim won't change formation, how many times did ETH changed formation and squad still played suit, this group of players is not about formation they can't play just can't play
Every other manager comes in and uses what they have, so coming in and having issues with players is just a receipe for disaster. Use what u have till u can change no point picking fights
RUUD won games with what style of play? The short time he coached man United? The players out of a Dundee’s could play, no gabs in the midfield and goals. Now you telling me all 22 players are shit? The manager needs to change something, this same people saying we need to be relegated just to prove a point are insane. KG was just raising good points at a wrong time. Before we get January there is nothing wrong in changing something to win and secure points while he looks into Jan which was what FLEX was speaking to. Any time some of us question the manager FANS HAVE THIS 😍 on the manager and is a huge problem. We have to learn from recent mistakes and make INOES hear us.
u can play 3 Goalkeepers at anfield we will still lose .. back 4 back 5 .. we hv played with more defensive minded players under Amorim n still conceding the most goals .. mate i dont care what u want to change to .. the players dont care ..
@ this mentality is the reason we look stupid in the eyes of rivals, what happened against Newcastle second half? Even though they went in defends mood. We still played to stop the goals. U fans suck off this manager as if he can’t do no wrong, bro this loses are on him and on he players. They tried to score again from the corner what did Amorim do since we played Arsenal? His line ups are wrong to begin with, his in game management is ok but not good enough. Style of play, he needs to adapt to what the players can do than what they can not do. Stop this nonsense
@@ClovisFootballTalk lol this was the same thing eth was criticised for .. not sticking to his principles etc .. ranting for these man isn’t it pal .. don’t care who u put in at Anfield they shit their pants in the tunnel ..
@ bro try it, I need to see u have tried it thank putting a Weak ass midfield what did u expect, again they didn’t they score second half if we are this bad? The players are shit yes, but miss me witb this bs, he has to do something same thing ETH was criticised for as u clearly said, if TEN HAG can win first season with these bozo best believe Amorim MUST or FAILL
@ lol he’s played virtually every midfield n still losing .. the players don’t care .. the biggest miss yesterday was Ugarte.. he will be back n possibly play with Kobbie .. we will still lose.. did u even see Amad yesterday or the past few games ? he’s been rubbish too
i dont understand how people can think if United get relegated, that somehow is going to help in some way. just means its less money the club has to recruit.
MU has a big enough fan base worldwide the PL won’t let it get relegated. Imagine how much global viewership, merchandise sales and sponsorship money then PL will lose if MU is not in it. MU 10000% won’t go down and the reason has nothing to do with football on the pitch.
I rather we get relegated so that this player will voluntarily moved elsewhere. And hopefully relegation would drive the glazers away. It is that bad for me
@@biasone9634 people think that they gonna get relegated and offload players and comback to get the players they want without thinking about the financial aspect of relegation its so funny to see here
@@VanLucifer of course the club would suffer financially. I didn't say it would be easy to go down and back up again. But i dont see any other way how this team sell their player with their massive wages and get rid of the parasite owner. There is no quick fix here. Relegation is the worst case scenario but it could be a blessing in disguise 🤷 lower league mean less money for the glazers🤷
The fact Amorin played Casemiro and Ericsen together as a 2 in midfield, has to be a worrying sign that he hasn't been watching this Utd team that much before he joined. You can't do that
Amorim stick to your principles, if we go down so be it, im tired of these rubbish player's. If they dont want to play for us , so be it. The glazers can go too.
When mikel came in at arsenal with shit players he played 5 at the back until he has 2-3 windows of his own players before he switched it up and played the way he really wanted to play
If you have only got skodas you can not try play formula 1 football. Survive the season playing to strengths until he can change players ..only logical answer.
Apologies but I can't have manz cracking up.... we've got a time line. 2 years either way, player's have yo adapt & learn. It takes time for them to get to know each other, know the system & know when yo do all of this. He needs to hold the line because everyone else is starting to fall back. Back to negativity. We have to UNDERSTAND that this whole bunch of players, none of them are his. AMORIM after 10 games will know who he can trust. Those who he can trust will evolve into the new team. De ligt has been a positive surprise, martinez has been a surprisingly negative. Still No LB or LWB. The only thing we're really talking about is our own fears..... 😅😅😂relegation he said.... Madness Rashy is gone, Zirkzee will remain till the summer at least, Eirksen, maguire are gone. Casemiro will end up in his final year. I can see youngster's who could be fastracked into the first team
Seeing Newcastle playing, when one player attack, you two players cover for any loose ball that's how they get the ball back, our guys don't do that, they can't even take a throw in to keep attacking just useless
These fans 😂 get what they deserve. 1. Mistreated Mason Greenwood 2. Got rid of a manager who developed Mainoo + Garnacho. 3. Got rid of a manager who won 2 trophies 🏆 in 2 years. 4. Said they are looking for "style of play" 5. Now they're complaining instead of looking in the mirror.
Look at Liverpool they have 3 players they are not sure will be there In d summer has their coach picked a fight? No... he has carried on, we play these players and until they leave we should use them simple
the entire team is riddled with mistakes .. drop Lisandro don’t care someone else will make a grave mistake .. Onana probably throws the ball in the net .. kobbie was already being slammed by fans i can understand Amorim taking him out of the firing line for a game .. now the same fans see how essential he was ..
Let's be real , even though ManUtd currently are so bad, ManUtd wont get relegated.Not even everton will relegated. United will finish in around 8-12th position in the end
These Utd fans Digust me the way they treat zirkzee when Hojlund was a million times worst yesterday yall can't keep the same energy for other players and we know why
Owen goes on about players he’ll bent on a path against the manager like they have done before. Mate how many of these players have been here that long? Get a grip guys.
A manager who can't change is just a bad manager. Like if he is just going to play his system and only his system. We don't need him. Southgate can play 5 at the back as well(what the 3-4-3 has been for most of our games) and at least with him the fan base won't be wilfully ignoring when he has got it wrong. I get he is in a power struggle with the players, and he is trying to show he is in charge. But he needs a bit of humility because the system with this team is not working, and going to Anfield with it would just be idiotic.
Is fans thing too much when the answer is right in front of us. WHEN HE BROUGHT IN KOBBIE, the game changed a little bit and we didn’t concede also becoz new castle were defending only but atleast I was 0:0 second half. WHAT HAPPENS IF HE CHANGE SOMETHING, START OF THE GAME and is 0:0 first half? This lose is on the manage and these players were good in other clubs before coming to united, they have lost faith or hope that’s why they are not playing well. Dressing room a mess, people getting sacked here and there so many shake ups and it affects people
@ we all know this is bigger than the manager with the type of shit he has seen is a lot. But playing Casemiro and Eriksen In the midfield against Joelinton, Bruno G is mental and sackable offends.
@ if Kobbie started u lot wd hv said same .. he had been poor too.. the whole team is riddled with mistakes .. if it’s not Kobbie losing the ball it’s Maz giving away a penalty .. or Onana doing something stupid or Yoro getting outjumped
@@kayflow9023 no KOBBIE had some mobility with him against THE OPPOSITION U ARE PLAYING BROV, stop this man. Before the window opens what is the manager doing or just give up and throw the towel easily? COME ON KAYFLOW
@ Kobbie n legs in the same sentence? he’s just a faster ericksen .. b4 this game i watched MANY channels n most didn’t start Kobbie .. in fact ppl said Ericksen cos he’s a “baller” n we will keep the ball better .. doesn’t matter who u play mate .. i’ve seen the Longstaff bros DOMINATE Utd with Matic n Pogba in that midfield.. this mid was always gonna get bullied ..
Man is trying to teach these man a system how can he do that if he dont use the system. He said himsrlf if he dont stick to it now I'll be the same in 2 years Tge ange comparisons are weak! Tottenham players know their system it just has holes all over it
Reading fans stormed their pitch due to bad ownership along with fans in both Italy and Spain recently. It's time for United supporters to do the same at OT. Storm the pitch, get games called off. Force the Glazers and Rat OUT
It’s gotta be said: flex you jump around a lot brother, I really like you and your content but you change your stance way too often. Saying Ruben needs to change the system to accommodate the players is wrong. And weeks ago you were championing him to stay true even through the storm. In my opinion we’re getting what was always coming and even the manager knew this was coming so why should he change
Start selling players we can get money for Dalot, Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho and Martinez and anyone else. We need at least 5 good quaity players in. Left and right wingbacks, midfielder, a 10 and a competent striker. I'm going to back Amorin he's way better than Eth and has a style and we're seeing it. The players do not fit his system.
I agree with your point about the stand off, but these players are employed to play football. They seem to have forgotten that and downed tools again to support Rashford. At the same time you have fans talking about giving WWE Maguire a new contract. He is terrible. People need to give their heads a wobble.
I keep saying let's stop this when the team.does well.its the coach and wen they don't it's the players. The manager should stick to a team that works best for 3 straight games and only change when a player looks tired, all this chop and change is not working. The players are doing what they can, we haven't had the same defense for 3 straight games or d attack, so how do u form partnerships? Plus keeping Rasmus for 90mins was criminal
I find it funny how deluded man utd fans are about their new coach to the point they are crucifying their own players. Answer me this: did Eddie Howe, Unai Emery or even Thomas Tuchel "have their players" when they came in mid season to turn their clubs around? And the former two were arguably a lot worse than man utd. Just face facts, Amorim is clueless - almost as clueless as Ragnick was.
@ryanblain358 so explain how I'm clueless? Explain how the three managers I named turned their failing clubs around and this guy isn't? Believe me, I'm all for a weak man u but this is madness!
@@HorsieWalkerof course one of the factor is the manager. Other factor is the players. Did u ever consider that these players are just shit and overpaid? How do u explain that under multiple manager, this squad is still underperforming? Overpaid make u lazy. This is not a theory. I mean they can play shit and they still get paid the same amount. They don't care. I hope man united get relegated for real. Maybe that will drive away these shit players and maybe drive the glazers out also
@@HorsieWalker facts. They don’t want to comprehend that this formation and system possibly may never actually work in this league. There is nothing wrong with expecting a manager to make the best of what he has.
@@ryanblain358 you either adapt or die. it's YOUR job as a manager to make it work with what you have at your disposal. lets not pretend like 'amorim' is some 20 year veteran with tons of accolades on his mantle. he's not.- he's a fresh pup on his first adventure outside the comfort of his own home. and right now? he is DYING. oh, and he will 100% lose his job in the not so distant future. you chose POORLY.
THIS IS ALL ON AMORIM , of the guy is a good manger he needs to adapt a system where these players fit , we have seen them play way better than this, no fuckin team would sell 10 players and buy 10 players, yes these players are shit, but that's what he have . Amorim must be sacked today , cozz he wont fuckin change his system, its the only system he knows .
Bruno has been 1 of the worst singings we have made, this were would we be without him well we r 14th with him... Rasmus was crap all night and Josh gets subbed after 30mins. If this manager doesn't start being fair he will out the.door very soon
His system isn’t a formation. He’s said it so many times. I don’t understand why people don’t see and hear that.
Fans and pundits are so stuck on formations which is hilarious because coaches today are more concerned with the shape of the team at different phases of play. The formation is just how the player line up or start as a base before shifting into the defensive/attacking/transitional shape
Does that mean when he loses, he isn't actually losing? 😊
As long as he plays a system, and not a formation. Or does it change when he plays a formation instead of system?
If I said that my wife was the most beautiful woman in the world, would it be true if I said it so many times? Or does that only work when football managers say it?
I don't understand why people believe everything they hear. But here we are.
Why should he change ? Either you adapt or you get benched. That's how the culling procedure works.
So relegation is a posibility.
He didn't have to change last night tho. It's just the personal he chose to play that system was absolutely criminal. Everyone and their dog knows you can't play Casemiro and Ericsen together in the midfield as a two. That's just suicide
@@DC94359 i meant his system. Yes playing both of them was wrong of him. But it does not change much. We would have lost with any player.
except it didnt work for ralf bcos the players all became demotivated and he got sacked
I’ve been watching the United Stand and United View for a few years and I noticed the main difference between Flex and Goldbridge is that Flex doesn’t speak in absolutes, he doesn’t speak from a position of authority and is way more likely to be have a conversation with people that disagree with him, instead of just insulting their intelligence. Appreciate you Flex👌🏾
Amorim is correct. If he changes his ‘system/approach’ and goes back to the previous system that would mean going back to a system that was proven not to work! Short-term solutions have been the problem for the last 10 years. They don’t work in the long term. Open heart surgery!!!
stop being deluded, they had open heart surgery
Owen is the biggest hypocrite on this channel. He CRIED during summer that if INEOS sacked EtH it would be stupid and the worst way to start the season. Now he is saying it’s mismanagement that they kept him. What a joker.
At least he's right now
Yeah they all changed their tune and are now saying it was a mistake to sack him and now they are blaming keeping Eth as the problem. These fan channels don’t know anything
@@joseph4400no one said they know anything 😂.. they comment as everyone else .. they r fans first off .. hindsight they say .. they dont effect anything at the club .. u hv misplaced anger
@@kayflow9023no anger here, just a realisation. They are fans like us yes, but when they start saying nonsense like “the fanbase” and try and seclude themselves from the rest of us, they feel as if they’re above other fans. Trust, if you watched the show I am referencing, you’d understand how dismissive he was about the idea of sacking EtH
@ mate that’s literally the entire fan base .. how many of us said Full sale was the only option n were referred to by mainstream media n ppl like G Nev as foreign fans .. the narrative was plain xenophobic.. Ineos is going well now isn’t it? i backed eth n said this will continue even with a new manager cos the culture of the club stinks. we were dismissed. on the other hand u can also look at Ineos who at the end of the day messed up. they made the decision to keep eth give him a new contract and then sack him.. THEY made the decision to wait for Ashworth for 6mo only to sack him after 4mo n u hv fans praising their “ruthlessness” .. its plain moronic
Amorim is our graham potter .. Peace 🫡.
This is not beyond the realms of possibility. Nothing says he’s guaranteed to succeed.
100% should not change system. but tweak it to a 3-5-2. an extra body in midfield will help and also a extra player upfront to try score some goals a 1 uptop
He does tweak it.
Why did these joke owners recruit Amirom when he has a clear style of play but then cannot get players he needs to implement his style esp now in Jan. This is on ineos and jim ratcliff, Amirom shouldnt have to change his ways and if he does this ownership has got away with it again.
piss poor planning .. they hv no clue .. their decision making needs massive questioning but fans letting it slide
not sure what owen is talking about, half these players weren't here when rangnick was. look at the team that started, mostly all came after ten hag.
few seem to understand this
These Utd fans seem to be willing to accept relegation.
If you can't recruit top players with no Champions League, how do you recruit quality when you're in the Championship?
And why will Kobbie, for example, want to risk his England career by playing in the second tier?
I guarantee that if we get relegated they'll all be crying disaster. Because one thing is for sure fans are fickle and illogical and led by their simple minded emotions.
As the saying goes, "Be careful what you wish for".
Flex, completely agree with you!!!!
Tak!
I love how people are saying Amorim shouldn't adapt, when Amorim himself made a change at 30 minutes last night to bring in an extra midfielder. Every good manager adapts their team based on the players available. Amorim doesn't know this league so he will evolve too.
There’s a difference between making a tactical tweak, and abandoning your whole system while you’re trying to implement it. Amorims ideas start with the 343 base and can morph into 4231/352 shapes. If he never implements the 343 shape and idea first then his full vision won’t ever be realized
He's getting sacked he's shit
Don't back down, Flek. Double down!
Thank god Ruben made the Reserves play the New system & Ruben was brave enough to make early changes.
Flex ...Amorim is an actual coach making sense.
Martinez has to be replaced by Yoro going forward. I would not back Martinez to win a header against Warwick Davis
warwick davis is a millionaire respect the guy
The players aint bending their knees for this ,manager, thats for sure
imagine southgate came in played a back 5 and got these results, no one would back him. no idea why amorim gets unlimited support, he has to prove he's good enough.
Sorry but these players are shite. They were shite before Ruben and they are shite now.
Southgate would've gotten more points ngl
Amorim is drowning in the swamp of Man United. This club actually damages managers. I'm sure he's already thinking about his exit
If we somehow believe some of these players are good, I use this analogy: If you had individual quality engine parts, but they were not meant for that particular engine, the engine will not run correctly, and the vehicle won't drive.
I think Amorim using two fullbacks as wingbacks instead of an attacker in one of the wingback positions has killed us. The attacking set up he puts our meedi players in doesn’t suit them. So why would INEOS get a manager that can’t work with the current squad ? It’s just dumb. It’s not Ruben’s fault. But the more losses the more the players will not play for him.
6 wins and I’m happy
Flex ur right, he'll lose his job otherwise won't he....? Yes . If u keep losing ,u get sacked. So to suggest making adjustments to try to win a game to save your job, that makes sense. So..but the cause of these issues is the decision making and timing of ineos. Youre not likely to get relegated, its not off the table, based on current form. However, there are likely enough games to get enough pts to survive. So therefore just let amorim keep to it...for a bit longer..
If there was a categorisation of the situation, and theres concerning worrying or serious..
A 2nd one of amorim out or players out..
And finishing position of...what do u say mu fans speaking as a lfc gal.. from my pov its 'serious' and 'players out' and id say between 11th- 16th...
However if things continue i could also see ineos panicking and sacking him for...potter? Equally because we dont know the strategy of ineos they might be fine with amorim as long as can survive the drop to get to the summer.
I disagree with flex, i dont think ineos would keep amorim if relegation becomes a real real likely situation..i think the next 10 games will answer alot of these questions
We can’t sake this manager given the situation, he wanted to come at the end of the season but they threw him in the deep end while we are currently in sort of a relegation battle.he needs to stay despite the losing of games even for the next few months . Only time will tell whether the players can turn it around .
We need a new striker who is prolific and then he play attacking players in the wing back roles and we will be better still with the 343
Minimum he has to put a team out that can get to half-time 0-0 against Liverpool & Arsenal. If he puts the same team out the game will be over in the first 30 minutes.
have u seen us? the goal we conceded against Newcastle in 3min we’ve conceded that same goal several times under diff managers.. i don’t care who u put up there these man r defeated in the TUNNEL
Ppl say I rather get relegated under Amorim,do u realize how worse this club will be if we do get relegated! We can all say goodbye to this football if we do
I’d love to say goodbye to this football 😂
Good then the glazers will go!!!
United can't get into a relegation battle because our players don't have the minerals for the fight
Ten hag put us here. Replace a legendary keeper with a Bad keeper. Bad player aignings worsever premier league finish one loss away from relegation zone. Yes amorim is not looking good but his win rate IS TILL BETTER THAN TEN HAG. Zero %wins i. Europe this season by ten hag! Amorim beat that one ny far he is better in prem as well! Ten hag apologists wanted this now it is time... BELIEVE IN THE PLAN... GIVE IT TIME.. remember you were pushing it for 3 years now you have to follow it!
De Gea was finished
I'm hoping with a weeks worth of training for next couple weeks we some improvement but lets be honest the attack is where we are weak. When your looking at other teams and thinking I would have them attackers in my team even though they ain't that good shows you that is the area where we are lacking most. I like some of them but still it's just not good enough
I love how the narrative is the same from every fan channel every week. So last week “it’s the players” this week “relegation” all
In union 👏
I know it’s not you guys fault that you weren’t born when it happened but you know our history and therefore are fully aware that we were relegated back in the 70’s. I was 17 then so this younger generation needs to smell the coffee and realise it could easily happen again, especially the way we are playing. The sooner we and especially the players wake up to the truth the better.
He’s getting selection wrong. Why not try Martinez as dm when ugarte is not available. And should have started Antony at wb. He’s just doing same thing that doesn’t work. And doesn’t use youths.
The difference is Arteta didn’t have a team that got to 3 cup finals in 2 years and won 2 out of 3.
Arteta didn’t have a team that finished 3rd 2 seasons ago.
This situation feels same as Arsenal situation 5 years ago
worse
I’m 100% Amorim in but I am starting to think we need to change and adapt to what we currently have and can do with this squad. I’m not saying 4231 but you can’t blindly lose more games. We need more bodies in the middle line a flat 3 would help us more. Or simply 352 which I know is similar to what we play but the midfield would same more solid than just 2
We will lose to Liverpool with any system. We are crap
We can’t do anything because these players are the worst players I’ve ever seen at United.
Not amorims fault that our players have zero control, cant score, dont put in effort and cant even pass!
casemiro played well , thats good ifu gain a in better form casemiro .. United needs him! and i belive it was the first time casemiro played with mainoo and it worked good, and now comes bruno ... we are having a fair match with liverpool believe me and even if we lose we will win against arsenal , a draw at least
Before the current footballing structure at Utd came in, Utd HAD NO FOOTBALLING STRUCTURE. It’s unreasonable to query Ineos for what’s happening when actually implementing one. You’ve cried for them to rip it all up and start all over and did not think about what the immediate effects would be? This is what it looks like to shake things up and start a competent football project, from a position of not having one before. Hold tight.
Hey flex I would like to come onto your program as I have some viable ideas as to where we are going wrong
When are the senior managers and the owners going to realise its not the team manager and after so many top names have been and gone that that's not the problem at Man. Utd. its the players/squad are not good enough many off them are second rate at best, especially Carthorse Maguire, time for a complete re-think of the club strategy and a clear out of the many players who are not top professionals and not club orientated, many would not be there if Sir Alex was in charge he employed only the best and booted out those who were not up to United standards or those who thought they were bigger than the club, and thats a very hard pair of boot to fill. R.
Not a United fan but Flex is right. The same people who slag off Big Ange for not changing his system and methodology are now saying Amorim should not change and stay the course!
United are in serious danger of going down, it's not the time for arrogant pig headedness tbh.
Flex your not wrong. Whe ever the majority of this fanbase want something the opposite is true.
As a neutral I don't understand your fans screaming that he shouldn't adapt. The worst part is it's likely the same people that mock Ange for never adapting at Spurs.
If you're presented with two scenarios:
1) Continue playing the same way, with players you want to move on (so will never actually be part of this long term system) and continue losing to teams that you should be beating (you might not be a top 6 side right now but you should not be 7 points above the drop)
or
2) Change up the system and see if it makes a difference short term (talking literally January until potential reinforcements can be added) and if it doesn't - there is quite literally nothing stopping you from going back to the current system
Why would you ever pick scenario 1? This idea that you need to "learn the system" with players THAT WONT BE THERE makes no sense. It would be different if there was a core group of young players that you were going to build around, but your best player at the moment has 6 months left on his contract.
I like Amorim, I think he has shown he has potential to be a top manager, but he has been employed by the club to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal and as of right now, he is not doing that. United are BAD, the squad is not good, but it is NOT this bad. You do not have the 16th best squad in the league.
I think your fans are scarred by the ETH situation where his "just play this way short term" tactics actually just stayed the way he kept playing forever even after he flipped most of the squad into a team that should've been able to play "his system".
Arsenal fan here.
You are right he has to change something. You have 1 win and 5 losses in your last 6. You will not get to 40 points if that continues.
we need 15 points from the rest of the season, a win a month lol i think they can manage that
Beat a struggling Manchester City and says Rashford was the problem”.then lost 4 in a row 😂😂😂😂..Rashford please leave in January don’t play anymore games so the don’t blame you for their relegation
Relegation would not fix the club, it would lead to even more staff redundancies, cutbacks & possible freefall down the leagues, even the possibility of bankruptcy.
It is vital that we stay in the Premier league, unfortunately no matter how good of a plan or idea you think you have if it's not working over a prolonged period of time you have to change or modify it.
It would the glazers would have tos elll the club as debt would not be service. Quick sell would be necessary
we will stay
@@nolhman123u hv no idea what u asking for
@@nolhman123 the glazers are going nowhere more debt
@ they will sell if the asset looks like it will plummet
We keep saying Amorim won't change formation, how many times did ETH changed formation and squad still played suit, this group of players is not about formation they can't play just can't play
Manchester united is a mid table team, we need to accept it
We are worse than mid table. We are close to relegation bro
Every other manager comes in and uses what they have, so coming in and having issues with players is just a receipe for disaster. Use what u have till u can change no point picking fights
RUUD won games with what style of play? The short time he coached man United? The players out of a Dundee’s could play, no gabs in the midfield and goals. Now you telling me all 22 players are shit? The manager needs to change something, this same people saying we need to be relegated just to prove a point are insane. KG was just raising good points at a wrong time. Before we get January there is nothing wrong in changing something to win and secure points while he looks into Jan which was what FLEX was speaking to. Any time some of us question the manager FANS HAVE THIS 😍 on the manager and is a huge problem. We have to learn from recent mistakes and make INOES hear us.
u can play 3 Goalkeepers at anfield we will still lose .. back 4 back 5 .. we hv played with more defensive minded players under Amorim n still conceding the most goals .. mate i dont care what u want to change to .. the players dont care ..
@ this mentality is the reason we look stupid in the eyes of rivals, what happened against Newcastle second half? Even though they went in defends mood. We still played to stop the goals. U fans suck off this manager as if he can’t do no wrong, bro this loses are on him and on he players. They tried to score again from the corner what did Amorim do since we played Arsenal? His line ups are wrong to begin with, his in game management is ok but not good enough. Style of play, he needs to adapt to what the players can do than what they can not do. Stop this nonsense
@@ClovisFootballTalk lol this was the same thing eth was criticised for .. not sticking to his principles etc .. ranting for these man isn’t it pal .. don’t care who u put in at Anfield they shit their pants in the tunnel ..
@ bro try it, I need to see u have tried it thank putting a Weak ass midfield what did u expect, again they didn’t they score second half if we are this bad? The players are shit yes, but miss me witb this bs, he has to do something same thing ETH was criticised for as u clearly said, if TEN HAG can win first season with these bozo best believe Amorim MUST or FAILL
@ lol he’s played virtually every midfield n still losing .. the players don’t care .. the biggest miss yesterday was Ugarte.. he will be back n possibly play with Kobbie .. we will still lose.. did u even see Amad yesterday or the past few games ? he’s been rubbish too
next match man utd will top 16..
((Continued..)) The next 10-15 games will answer alot of these questions
i dont understand how people can think if United get relegated, that somehow is going to help in some way. just means its less money the club has to recruit.
you mean recruit more bums
MU has a big enough fan base worldwide the PL won’t let it get relegated. Imagine how much global viewership, merchandise sales and sponsorship money then PL will lose if MU is not in it. MU 10000% won’t go down and the reason has nothing to do with football on the pitch.
I rather we get relegated so that this player will voluntarily moved elsewhere. And hopefully relegation would drive the glazers away. It is that bad for me
Ahahahaha glorious
@randomstranger936 financially it would be a disaster of EPIC scale. one you wouldn't recover from FOR YEARS.
@@biasone9634 people think that they gonna get relegated and offload players and comback to get the players they want without thinking about the financial aspect of relegation its so funny to see here
Why would the Glazers leave
@@VanLucifer of course the club would suffer financially. I didn't say it would be easy to go down and back up again. But i dont see any other way how this team sell their player with their massive wages and get rid of the parasite owner. There is no quick fix here. Relegation is the worst case scenario but it could be a blessing in disguise 🤷 lower league mean less money for the glazers🤷
I fully back him and so should the club.
Amorim needs to take some accountability though.
Amorim is not the issue , The issue is the Glazers not even Ineos . The Bloody Glazers.
Just prepare yourself mentally for the inevitable guys😢
No he should not change one bit expose these man who are not good enough.
Just play the kids.. Since we are gonna lose, might as we lose with kids that will try rather than criminals who will only play for themselves
It's not their responsibility to suffer because the first team has flaked.
The fact Amorin played Casemiro and Ericsen together as a 2 in midfield, has to be a worrying sign that he hasn't been watching this Utd team that much before he joined. You can't do that
343 is prone to crosses the evidences are there for anyone to watch in the match replays
Amorim stick to your principles, if we go down so be it, im tired of these rubbish player's. If they dont want to play for us , so be it. The glazers can go too.
We cannot play Martinez v Salah you need to play yolo at left centre back
When mikel came in at arsenal with shit players he played 5 at the back until he has 2-3 windows of his own players before he switched it up and played the way he really wanted to play
If you have only got skodas you can not try play formula 1 football. Survive the season playing to strengths until he can change players ..only logical answer.
Imagine if Rashford had played those 4 games he lost back to back?..he would’ve been blamed for everything!!..relegation is on it’s way 😂
Apologies but I can't have manz cracking up.... we've got a time line. 2 years either way, player's have yo adapt & learn. It takes time for them to get to know each other, know the system & know when yo do all of this. He needs to hold the line because everyone else is starting to fall back. Back to negativity. We have to UNDERSTAND that this whole bunch of players, none of them are his. AMORIM after 10 games will know who he can trust. Those who he can trust will evolve into the new team. De ligt has been a positive surprise, martinez has been a surprisingly negative. Still No LB or LWB. The only thing we're really talking about is our own fears..... 😅😅😂relegation he said.... Madness Rashy is gone, Zirkzee will remain till the summer at least, Eirksen, maguire are gone. Casemiro will end up in his final year. I can see youngster's who could be fastracked into the first team
Seeing Newcastle playing, when one player attack, you two players cover for any loose ball that's how they get the ball back, our guys don't do that, they can't even take a throw in to keep attacking just useless
These fans 😂 get what they deserve. 1. Mistreated Mason Greenwood 2. Got rid of a manager who developed Mainoo + Garnacho. 3. Got rid of a manager who won 2 trophies 🏆 in 2 years. 4. Said they are looking for "style of play" 5. Now they're complaining instead of looking in the mirror.
Look at Liverpool they have 3 players they are not sure will be there In d summer has their coach picked a fight? No... he has carried on, we play these players and until they leave we should use them simple
the entire team is riddled with mistakes .. drop Lisandro don’t care someone else will make a grave mistake .. Onana probably throws the ball in the net .. kobbie was already being slammed by fans i can understand Amorim taking him out of the firing line for a game .. now the same fans see how essential he was ..
Let's be real , even though ManUtd currently are so bad, ManUtd wont get relegated.Not even everton will relegated.
United will finish in around 8-12th position in the end
Please wake up, I refer to my own post.
with onana the worst keeper in the epl good luck with that gig seek medical assistance raise your meds
These Utd fans Digust me the way they treat zirkzee when Hojlund was a million times worst yesterday yall can't keep the same energy for other players and we know why
Owen goes on about players he’ll bent on a path against the manager like they have done before. Mate how many of these players have been here that long? Get a grip guys.
A manager who can't change is just a bad manager. Like if he is just going to play his system and only his system. We don't need him. Southgate can play 5 at the back as well(what the 3-4-3 has been for most of our games) and at least with him the fan base won't be wilfully ignoring when he has got it wrong.
I get he is in a power struggle with the players, and he is trying to show he is in charge. But he needs a bit of humility because the system with this team is not working, and going to Anfield with it would just be idiotic.
No system works with these players. If it did he’d not be here lol
Well seems rv found a way and left undefeated 🤣
Is fans thing too much when the answer is right in front of us. WHEN HE BROUGHT IN KOBBIE, the game changed a little bit and we didn’t concede also becoz new castle were defending only but atleast I was 0:0 second half. WHAT HAPPENS IF HE CHANGE SOMETHING, START OF THE GAME and is 0:0 first half? This lose is on the manage and these players were good in other clubs before coming to united, they have lost faith or hope that’s why they are not playing well. Dressing room a mess, people getting sacked here and there so many shake ups and it affects people
they get defeated in the tunnel
@ we all know this is bigger than the manager with the type of shit he has seen is a lot. But playing Casemiro and Eriksen In the midfield against Joelinton, Bruno G is mental and sackable offends.
@ if Kobbie started u lot wd hv said same .. he had been poor too.. the whole team is riddled with mistakes .. if it’s not Kobbie losing the ball it’s Maz giving away a penalty .. or Onana doing something stupid or Yoro getting outjumped
@@kayflow9023 no KOBBIE had some mobility with him against THE OPPOSITION U ARE PLAYING BROV, stop this man. Before the window opens what is the manager doing or just give up and throw the towel easily? COME ON KAYFLOW
@ Kobbie n legs in the same sentence? he’s just a faster ericksen .. b4 this game i watched MANY channels n most didn’t start Kobbie .. in fact ppl said Ericksen cos he’s a “baller” n we will keep the ball better .. doesn’t matter who u play mate .. i’ve seen the Longstaff bros DOMINATE Utd with Matic n Pogba in that midfield.. this mid was always gonna get bullied ..
Flex want the coach give in to the players, to change formation, and keep this players lazy, how many tweeks eth did and they still played shit
Get greenwood back serious
Man is trying to teach these man a system how can he do that if he dont use the system. He said himsrlf if he dont stick to it now I'll be the same in 2 years
Tge ange comparisons are weak! Tottenham players know their system it just has holes all over it
Window or bust.
Reading fans stormed their pitch due to bad ownership along with fans in both Italy and Spain recently. It's time for United supporters to do the same at OT. Storm the pitch, get games called off. Force the Glazers and Rat OUT
Glaziers make non football decisions. I.e ticket prices. Ineos football decisions. I.e ffp
Ten Hag out 😂😂😂
It’s gotta be said: flex you jump around a lot brother, I really like you and your content but you change your stance way too often.
Saying Ruben needs to change the system to accommodate the players is wrong. And weeks ago you were championing him to stay true even through the storm.
In my opinion we’re getting what was always coming and even the manager knew this was coming so why should he change
Paraphrasing the words of Kevin Keegan "I will love it to see Man Utd down the championship" Come on you dumpsters keep getting bottled.
Owen constantly talkin over people. does it all the time, Flex starts talkin, Owen talks. and cuts him off. just rude.
Def they will relegated
Start selling players we can get money for Dalot, Bruno, Rashford, Garnacho and Martinez and anyone else. We need at least 5 good quaity players in. Left and right wingbacks, midfielder, a 10 and a competent striker. I'm going to back Amorin he's way better than Eth and has a style and we're seeing it. The players do not fit his system.
before that you need a world class keeper
I agree with your point about the stand off, but these players are employed to play football. They seem to have forgotten that and downed tools again to support Rashford. At the same time you have fans talking about giving WWE Maguire a new contract. He is terrible. People need to give their heads a wobble.
I keep saying let's stop this when the team.does well.its the coach and wen they don't it's the players. The manager should stick to a team that works best for 3 straight games and only change when a player looks tired, all this chop and change is not working. The players are doing what they can, we haven't had the same defense for 3 straight games or d attack, so how do u form partnerships? Plus keeping Rasmus for 90mins was criminal
Its only football …. Not important …. Get a life
I find it funny how deluded man utd fans are about their new coach to the point they are crucifying their own players. Answer me this: did Eddie Howe, Unai Emery or even Thomas Tuchel "have their players" when they came in mid season to turn their clubs around? And the former two were arguably a lot worse than man utd. Just face facts, Amorim is clueless - almost as clueless as Ragnick was.
The only one clueless here is you 😂 you have no idea what you’re talking about. Obviously not a United fan yet commenting on a United video. Weird af.
@ryanblain358 so explain how I'm clueless? Explain how the three managers I named turned their failing clubs around and this guy isn't? Believe me, I'm all for a weak man u but this is madness!
@@HorsieWalkerof course one of the factor is the manager. Other factor is the players. Did u ever consider that these players are just shit and overpaid? How do u explain that under multiple manager, this squad is still underperforming? Overpaid make u lazy. This is not a theory. I mean they can play shit and they still get paid the same amount. They don't care. I hope man united get relegated for real. Maybe that will drive away these shit players and maybe drive the glazers out also
@@HorsieWalker facts. They don’t want to comprehend that this formation and system possibly may never actually work in this league. There is nothing wrong with expecting a manager to make the best of what he has.
@@ryanblain358 you either adapt or die. it's YOUR job as a manager to make it work with what you have at your disposal. lets not pretend like 'amorim' is some 20 year veteran with tons of accolades on his mantle. he's not.- he's a fresh pup on his first adventure outside the comfort of his own home. and right now? he is DYING.
oh, and he will 100% lose his job in the not so distant future. you chose POORLY.
THIS IS ALL ON AMORIM , of the guy is a good manger he needs to adapt a system where these players fit , we have seen them play way better than this, no fuckin team would sell 10 players and buy 10 players, yes these players are shit, but that's what he have .
Amorim must be sacked today , cozz he wont fuckin change his system, its the only system he knows .
Delulu
Talk about over reaction. There’s no chance of relegation. You will win enough to finish 14th at worst. Chill and wait for what he can do next season.
There is a chance
it’s a possibility.. doesn’t mean it shdnt be talked about ? literally Amorim was asked in his presser
Bruno has been 1 of the worst singings we have made, this were would we be without him well we r 14th with him... Rasmus was crap all night and Josh gets subbed after 30mins. If this manager doesn't start being fair he will out the.door very soon
Bruno wasn’t playing last night so why even mention his name. We always scapegoat 1 or 2 players and getting rid of them doesn’t change anything
@joseph4400 not referring to last night just talking in general