I don't think Tarkin was there to actually test. He was there find a reason for the Empire to stop using clones, but unfortunately and to his amazement he not only found no reason, he also saw that clones truly were far superior to a traditional army. That's why his face changes from impressed to troubled. Palpatine doesn't want the clones anymore and it's going to be hard to find a reason to get rid of something that's so effective.
I misread "let's build two death stars" as "let's build two star destroyers". I was gonna be all like, wait, Star Destroyers aren't all that expensive to build. Shit, the Republic built thousands of 'em during the Clone Wars.
I agree that clone troopers trained all their life to be soldiers would be overkill for peacekeeping and enforcement. However clones could have still been produced in smaller quantities as elite task forces meant for dangerous and high profile missions. Maybe make more like the Bad Batch, genetically enhanced super soldiers.
the problem with that is cost. the kaminoans already were raising prices on new clones so smaller units would have been more expensive. far to much for what they are worth. also there's still the problem of kaminoans having control of cloning tech. better to have the tech themselves. then maybe this might work. but i would have the imperial red guard any day over any clone.
@@thanoseid2883 They expanded the size of the military like ten fold. I'm sure a legion of clones wouldn't take a bite out of the budget... which if recall correctly at certain legion of a certain sith lord was made up clones still after the Empire back in the EU which made perfect sense.
@@legoeasycompany yeah I remember. But remember the kaminoans were increasing costs well beyond the normal amount. The strain on the republic’s credits was being felt galaxy wide.
Tarkin: your contract was with the republic, which no longer exists. Prime Minister: well these are REPUBLIC troopers so I guess we will recall them since we do not have a contract with the Empire. And we will recall all the Venator and Acclamators as well.
@@Cody_L._Brock in the deep lore, it states that Kamino subcontracted the construction of vehicles and starships to various corpos, including KDY, so he may have a point
@@quartz5938 Unfortunately the the contract was for production of. Not production rights, if that makes sense. Like how Kaminoans had the patents for Jango clones but in the eu was shared with Spaarti clones.
What Tarkin said isn't true from a legal point of view, nor is it consistent with what the Empire was claiming. They did say they were the continuation of the Republic- which is why the Senate survived as well. We do have legal examples of countries using the same argument however to not pay debts or reparations. So in the end, it comes down to politics and power. Clearly, Kamino was not in a position to negotiate anything. They should have known that not only will they be not contracted, they will be eradicated, as were all sources of power, such as the jedi or the CIS. They were naive.
The whole point was to project power and fear, to more or less prevent any uprising to begin with. The problem is, it's a doctrine that should've been temporary, and was largely ineffective when actual war broke out. It's no wonder the Empire only lasted 30 or so years.
The fact that they thought they could replicate the performances of the bad batch was foolish. They are unique for a purpose and takes years to get to know each other’s advantages. A recruited soldier would never get close to this performance
The ONLY soldiers in the entire galaxy (and the entire franchise for that matter) that could replicate the Bad Batch were the short-lived Sith Troopers of Chancellor Sidious's Final Order.
@@_MaZTeR_ They were still recruits. Sith Troopers had flash-imprinted ideologies and advanced training far beyond the Grand Army Of The Old Republic's Clone Troopers, Grand Admiral Thrawn's zombie Night Troopers, and even the First Order's Storm Troopers. They were basically storm troopers with droid brains.
I love the little detail with those droids sounding a lot like the Purge Troopers from TFU. Also, I like how Clone Force 99 made an impression on Tarkin.
@@Emil.FontanotThe average clone is a perfect copy of a man who killed Jedi with his bare hands, that spent his entire life training for combat. The average stormtrooper is a 19-21 year old boy who never held a blaster before his one year of training. Even 99 would kick the average stormtroopers ass.
@@GreenNinj4 this is not true. The average clone is not as strong as Jango Fett. While the Stormtroopers are assault forces, they are very much trained to fight and kill. Whenever they don't fight someone that the plot doesn't want to die, they blast through everything.
@@Emil.Fontanot Doesnt change that a clone trained his entire life, while a stormtrooper trained only a short time of his. And assault forces my ass, Star Wars Rebels, Ahsoka and Mandalorian showed that they are too stupid to do basic things like taking cover💀
There were valid economic and technical reasons why clones were bad for the empire. Partially because of the high operating costs of raising them, along with the fact the inhibitor chips only work for the Republic, and not the Empire. But honestly I feel like it was always some emotionally driven bullshit by people like Tarkin, where they wanted to command armies of normal people and not clones. Not cus they hate clones, but prolly out of tradition. Maybe even sith tradition
Well the clones were a bad choice from the start, too expensive to maintain and make more clones, the war was over, and each new generation of clones were getting weaker due to lack of Jango Fett DNA. So basically, they were meant to last a 3 year conflict and get replaced by normal recruits
It’s honestly very useful long term for The Empire. If you and your family have all served in the military you create a part of your populace emotionally invested in The Empire and it’s continuance.
@@rennyforyourthoughts8023*destruyen alderan,un mundo humano.. Palpatine;*maldito tarkin,que vamos a hacer ahora si nuestro ejército 100% humano se rebela😅😅😅😅
"That remains to be seen!" Was this dude wearing a blind fold for the rest of the war ? The clones took on the most powerful Droid army the galaxy had ever seen, many clones physically fought grievous, they took on the mandalorians on their home planet and won in less than a day, and they defeated the jedi in their own temple... come on now.
Most of the strong Jedi were not even at the temple. And the few that were there, like Obi Wan and Yoda, easily annihilated the clones. Griveous also usually overwhelmed the clones with ease. And again to be honest the clones would have lost many battles against the droids if it wasn't for the Jedi.
@Emil.Fontanot what are you talking about ? Do you know how many clones died because of piss poor jedi leadership ? The clones weren't incompetent dude, plus the jedi council members were gone, not the entire arsenal of the jedi. Also, don't confuse that for plot armor.
@@KNIGHT.COMPANY man, i'm watching the Clone Wars and i'm already in the late seasons. I've lost counts of how many times the Republic would have lost if it wasn't for the Jedi destroying hordes of enemies or making daring plans. People like Ventress and Griveous would have soloed the clones if it wasn't for the Jedi. The Jedi temple was full of padawans or some knights, the masters were all out in missions. Also Anakin was with the clones.
"That remains to be seen" most likely refers to how the current clones, which are far less pure genetic clones of Jango, would perform against an alternative storm trooper.
Tarkin under Disney is not a calculating, ruthless bureaucrat but an arrogant little man driven by emotions. The clones rescued him from the citadel and gave their life to protect him without thinking twice about it, yet hes suddenly against them here because Disney made the glorious decision to get completely rid of the clones 1 year after RoTS. Disney SW is a joke
"If the Death Star had Clone Troopers, this would have been the end for Luke and his friends: 2:57" I believe that is the correct way to state what you wanted to say. Now, you can either pay more attention in school, or if you already graduated, go back and start over. You clearly need it.
Kinda funny how Tarkin tried to get out of the deal with the Kaminoans by trying to pretend the Republic and the Empire are two separate entities when the Empire is, by intergalactic law, the successor State of the republic and is therefore subject to their same obligations.
@1:34 You left out where the prime minister says live rounds could damage the clones and facility, for which Tarkin says they will be fairly compensated. And of course, by "fairly compensated", he means "you get nothing if they don't succeed!"
They will. Give it a few years until the fans forget about legends, then Disney will start ripping off legends material. They already did it to the death troopers.
For me one of the if not the must dumb thing I saw from Disney Star wars. Being evil doesn’t mean being stupid, and while Tarkin is most likely „evil“, he certainly isnt stupid, so why would you shoot youre best squad during a training simulation with live ammo???
To see if they are the best. If they die from it it's no loss to him because they didn't perform to his expectations. We the audience are rooting for the Bad Batch because they're the heroes and we've seen their heroics (well, for a little bit anyway). Tarkin on the other hand is thinking of the grand strategy, and only deigns to visit the cloning facility to tie up lose ends and to be sure he isn't overlooking a potentially more valuable option. Plus he's going into it seeing them as "just clones" and assumes the Kaminoans can just create more if he is sufficiently impressed. Being able to recruit from any world is an advantage over getting clones from one place, especially when it turned out that they were unique clones and not readily replicated.
I can only guess being so close to the Emperor's presence tends not to abode well with individual morals & physical attributes. Admiral Wullf Yularen greatly aged in the final season of the Clone Wars as well before Tarkin did, which I think Filoni did on purpose indirectly to highlight some of the old guard's/general staff corruption was also fluid inside some elements of the Grand Republic. It's an artistic method seeing how you don't see both men have white hair slowly developing in their former hair to immediately aged fast.
@@preciousotoakhia9789 They basically are after order 66. They're still well trained but they lost all their inventiveness and originality which made them much weaker. You could also theoretically hack their chips and make them do whatever you'd like.
@@tadious9415 You cannot hack their chips or deactivate them as if they were droids. I suppose the Kaminoans engeneers could change whatever info the chip has and implant it for newer clones.
Hate is just a part of it but I think mostly he was trying to nullify the contact so that the Empire does not need to pay the debt. Since he was trying to argue about the contact being between the Republic and Kaminoan so Empire should not have to assume its debt. After that he protest and said that the Clones are not up to standard and needed to be re-test, hence why Bad Batch were put into such an extreme practice with life-round. Sadly for Tarkin, the Batch prevail and he has to resort to other method which led to the Clone uprising if I remember correctly.
En dinero pero nala se pensaba en su proyecto de crear más jangos fett con las mismas habilidades o como mínimo con habilidades especiales superiores al clon promedio
People don’t get how impressive this scene was. It’s not often that Tarkin is impressed, let alone shows it quite visibly on his face.
Eeyup.
Tarken is very hard to please.
@@KMDragonS he is an a**hole who always twist the facts to fits with his ideas
@@KMDragonS*tarkin
I don't think Tarkin was there to actually test. He was there find a reason for the Empire to stop using clones, but unfortunately and to his amazement he not only found no reason, he also saw that clones truly were far superior to a traditional army. That's why his face changes from impressed to troubled. Palpatine doesn't want the clones anymore and it's going to be hard to find a reason to get rid of something that's so effective.
Palpatine: Clones are too expensive
Also Palpatine: let’s build two death stars
Two death stars that woulld only take 1 x wing bomber to go in and take it out.
he also stopped using clones because he found out they were making a secret army to go against palpatine
I misread "let's build two death stars" as "let's build two star destroyers".
I was gonna be all like, wait, Star Destroyers aren't all that expensive to build. Shit, the Republic built thousands of 'em during the Clone Wars.
@@smooveboyis that in legends or canon?
Clones are too expensive for me to have the credits left over to build two Death Stars.
I agree that clone troopers trained all their life to be soldiers would be overkill for peacekeeping and enforcement. However clones could have still been produced in smaller quantities as elite task forces meant for dangerous and high profile missions. Maybe make more like the Bad Batch, genetically enhanced super soldiers.
I agree with this take. Specialists like Death troopers could have been highly trained clones.
the problem with that is cost. the kaminoans already were raising prices on new clones so smaller units would have been more expensive. far to much for what they are worth. also there's still the problem of kaminoans having control of cloning tech. better to have the tech themselves. then maybe this might work. but i would have the imperial red guard any day over any clone.
@@thanoseid2883 They expanded the size of the military like ten fold. I'm sure a legion of clones wouldn't take a bite out of the budget... which if recall correctly at certain legion of a certain sith lord was made up clones still after the Empire back in the EU which made perfect sense.
@@legoeasycompany yeah I remember. But remember the kaminoans were increasing costs well beyond the normal amount. The strain on the republic’s credits was being felt galaxy wide.
For those that are talking about expenses when has the empire worried about buying things it wants.....
Tarkin: your contract was with the republic, which no longer exists.
Prime Minister: well these are REPUBLIC troopers so I guess we will recall them since we do not have a contract with the Empire. And we will recall all the Venator and Acclamators as well.
Venators and Acclamators were produced by Kuat Drive Yards so it goes to them.
Everything was spot on tho
@@Cody_L._Brock in the deep lore, it states that Kamino subcontracted the construction of vehicles and starships to various corpos, including KDY, so he may have a point
@@quartz5938 Unfortunately the the contract was for production of. Not production rights, if that makes sense. Like how Kaminoans had the patents for Jango clones but in the eu was shared with Spaarti clones.
What Tarkin said isn't true from a legal point of view, nor is it consistent with what the Empire was claiming. They did say they were the continuation of the Republic- which is why the Senate survived as well. We do have legal examples of countries using the same argument however to not pay debts or reparations. So in the end, it comes down to politics and power. Clearly, Kamino was not in a position to negotiate anything. They should have known that not only will they be not contracted, they will be eradicated, as were all sources of power, such as the jedi or the CIS. They were naive.
Man I wish the Kamino rebellion was a thing in canon.
The Entire Tarkin doctrine was an ineffective joke.
"The Clones are too expensive!" "Hur Hur lets build 2 fucking death stars!"
The whole point was to project power and fear, to more or less prevent any uprising to begin with.
The problem is, it's a doctrine that should've been temporary, and was largely ineffective when actual war broke out. It's no wonder the Empire only lasted 30 or so years.
The fact that they thought they could replicate the performances of the bad batch was foolish. They are unique for a purpose and takes years to get to know each other’s advantages. A recruited soldier would never get close to this performance
The ONLY soldiers in the entire galaxy (and the entire franchise for that matter) that could replicate the Bad Batch were the short-lived Sith Troopers of Chancellor Sidious's Final Order.
@@user-tp7up8lg1d I thought it was the Death Troopers, not the copycat Stormtroopers they made for no reason for the last film.
@@_MaZTeR_ They were still recruits. Sith Troopers had flash-imprinted ideologies and advanced training far beyond the Grand Army Of The Old Republic's Clone Troopers, Grand Admiral Thrawn's zombie Night Troopers, and even the First Order's Storm Troopers. They were basically storm troopers with droid brains.
@@user-tp7up8lg1dor delta squad tbh
@@user-tp7up8lg1d what about task force or scar force the empires versions of the bad batch you guys forgot them
they easily match this
Tarkin: We don't need the clone their lame...
Clone: Kill all drones with tactics.
Stormtrooper: die and scream like "AHHHHHHHHHHH"
Good comment, and it’s a good example for showing how Tarkin’s not a big supporter of clones
Really conveys the importance of the scene and explains it so vividly it's as if I were there to witness it
Sacrifice highly efficient soldiers in exchange for an army uncapable of starting a revolt that could still get the job done with minor threats.
Am I the only one who's gonna agree that Hunter looks like Rambo
I think that's the point
To me like Solid Snake
It's inspired by the Native American guy in Predator, Billy
He's like a combo between Rambo and Solid Snake, like how Embo is a combo of Kung Lao and Captain America
Would it kill Tarkin to give a complement to the amazing clone troopers
Not him, he has no respect for Jedi’s, Clones, innocent civilians or children.
Tarkin doesn’t compliment anyone.
Why does tarkin hate clones the wiped out the jedi after all
@@jaohonaxa he did kind of compliment anakin once in the clone wars
@@preciousotoakhia9789 there's no logic behind it, a clone died to save him in the citadel, so it's kinda out of nowhere.
2:55 WHAT a shot!
It’s 2:59 but I agree brilliant shot
I love the little detail with those droids sounding a lot like the Purge Troopers from TFU. Also, I like how Clone Force 99 made an impression on Tarkin.
Whenever someone with a sniper shouts “knife” throw it their way. 2:54
Ese soy yo matando boss😅😅para que mi equipo lo tenga un 90% más facil
tarkin : we need good man *proceed to see how the bad batch neutralizes war droids with only their tactics*
also tarkin *leaves the test room*
" Empire must be stronger" he says 😂😂😂
The clones are clearly far superior when comparing them to stormtroopers
Yeah but the only problem for the empire is that the clones are more expensive.
The average clone? Well, not really. Elite clones? Yeah, you're right.
@@Emil.FontanotThe average clone is a perfect copy of a man who killed Jedi with his bare hands, that spent his entire life training for combat. The average stormtrooper is a 19-21 year old boy who never held a blaster before his one year of training. Even 99 would kick the average stormtroopers ass.
@@GreenNinj4 this is not true. The average clone is not as strong as Jango Fett. While the Stormtroopers are assault forces, they are very much trained to fight and kill. Whenever they don't fight someone that the plot doesn't want to die, they blast through everything.
@@Emil.Fontanot Doesnt change that a clone trained his entire life, while a stormtrooper trained only a short time of his. And assault forces my ass, Star Wars Rebels, Ahsoka and Mandalorian showed that they are too stupid to do basic things like taking cover💀
There were valid economic and technical reasons why clones were bad for the empire.
Partially because of the high operating costs of raising them, along with the fact the inhibitor chips only work for the Republic, and not the Empire.
But honestly I feel like it was always some emotionally driven bullshit by people like Tarkin, where they wanted to command armies of normal people and not clones.
Not cus they hate clones, but prolly out of tradition. Maybe even sith tradition
not to mention their advanced aging and the fact they have to be raised for 9 years before they're combat ready
Well the clones were a bad choice from the start, too expensive to maintain and make more clones, the war was over, and each new generation of clones were getting weaker due to lack of Jango Fett DNA. So basically, they were meant to last a 3 year conflict and get replaced by normal recruits
It’s honestly very useful long term for The Empire.
If you and your family have all served in the military you create a part of your populace emotionally invested in The Empire and it’s continuance.
@@rennyforyourthoughts8023*destruyen alderan,un mundo humano..
Palpatine;*maldito tarkin,que vamos a hacer ahora si nuestro ejército 100% humano se rebela😅😅😅😅
1:22 me whenever i finish watching Star Wars Content
1:22 Grevious after he finished killing a Jedi strike team
They are one hell of a team
1:22 What else ya got? GIMME MORE!!!
Tarkin:ok, but I'm not sure you'll like it
"Get's kidneys removed"
Tarkin: Look I’ll be honest with you, that was the coolest shit I’ve ever seen. We’ll take a billion of them
"That remains to be seen!" Was this dude wearing a blind fold for the rest of the war ? The clones took on the most powerful Droid army the galaxy had ever seen, many clones physically fought grievous, they took on the mandalorians on their home planet and won in less than a day, and they defeated the jedi in their own temple... come on now.
Most of the strong Jedi were not even at the temple. And the few that were there, like Obi Wan and Yoda, easily annihilated the clones. Griveous also usually overwhelmed the clones with ease. And again to be honest the clones would have lost many battles against the droids if it wasn't for the Jedi.
@Emil.Fontanot what are you talking about ? Do you know how many clones died because of piss poor jedi leadership ? The clones weren't incompetent dude, plus the jedi council members were gone, not the entire arsenal of the jedi. Also, don't confuse that for plot armor.
@@KNIGHT.COMPANY man, i'm watching the Clone Wars and i'm already in the late seasons. I've lost counts of how many times the Republic would have lost if it wasn't for the Jedi destroying hordes of enemies or making daring plans. People like Ventress and Griveous would have soloed the clones if it wasn't for the Jedi. The Jedi temple was full of padawans or some knights, the masters were all out in missions. Also Anakin was with the clones.
"That remains to be seen" most likely refers to how the current clones, which are far less pure genetic clones of Jango, would perform against an alternative storm trooper.
Tarkin under Disney is not a calculating, ruthless bureaucrat but an arrogant little man driven by emotions. The clones rescued him from the citadel and gave their life to protect him without thinking twice about it, yet hes suddenly against them here because Disney made the glorious decision to get completely rid of the clones 1 year after RoTS. Disney SW is a joke
If the Deathstar had a Clonetroper this would have been the ending for Luke and friends 2:57
"If the Death Star had Clone Troopers, this would have been the end for Luke and his friends: 2:57"
I believe that is the correct way to state what you wanted to say. Now, you can either pay more attention in school, or if you already graduated, go back and start over. You clearly need it.
@@brendanbowles8138 Thanks.
@@brendanbowles8138 who shitted in your cheerios
@@brendanbowles8138 What if he is not American?
Like Me
Why are You a asshole?
@@brendanbowles8138 You should be embarrassed about the comment you left here.
The sound for the dark troopers they used here was from The Force Unleashed.
GOD JUST GIVE US STARKILLER ALREADY GOD DAMN-
Kinda funny how Tarkin tried to get out of the deal with the Kaminoans by trying to pretend the Republic and the Empire are two separate entities when the Empire is, by intergalactic law, the successor State of the republic and is therefore subject to their same obligations.
Who’s gonna enforce the law
@@fatmilf1498 A pissed off Vader after an officer fails him.
Bro really aged in dog years, jeez
@1:34 You left out where the prime minister says live rounds could damage the clones and facility, for which Tarkin says they will be fairly compensated. And of course, by "fairly compensated", he means "you get nothing if they don't succeed!"
Man, Tarkin aged a ton from TCW season 3…
1:13 when I saw those dorids
They reminded me of Mono Beetle
From Soinc Adventure 2 Shadow the Hedgehog
2:54 I will never not get tired of this scene
The Kaminoians should’ve created an army of clones to fight against the empire like they did in legends
They will. Give it a few years until the fans forget about legends, then Disney will start ripping off legends material. They already did it to the death troopers.
This show uses a lot of sound effects from the old Republic Commando and Battlefront games Lucas Arts made.
For me one of the if not the must dumb thing I saw from Disney Star wars. Being evil doesn’t mean being stupid, and while Tarkin is most likely „evil“, he certainly isnt stupid, so why would you shoot youre best squad during a training simulation with live ammo???
To see if they are the best. If they die from it it's no loss to him because they didn't perform to his expectations. We the audience are rooting for the Bad Batch because they're the heroes and we've seen their heroics (well, for a little bit anyway). Tarkin on the other hand is thinking of the grand strategy, and only deigns to visit the cloning facility to tie up lose ends and to be sure he isn't overlooking a potentially more valuable option.
Plus he's going into it seeing them as "just clones" and assumes the Kaminoans can just create more if he is sufficiently impressed.
Being able to recruit from any world is an advantage over getting clones from one place, especially when it turned out that they were unique clones and not readily replicated.
2:31 Is it weird that I'm jealous of that battledroid?
Tarkin didn't age well between the citadel and this
I can only guess being so close to the Emperor's presence tends not to abode well with individual morals & physical attributes. Admiral Wullf Yularen greatly aged in the final season of the Clone Wars as well before Tarkin did, which I think Filoni did on purpose indirectly to highlight some of the old guard's/general staff corruption was also fluid inside some elements of the Grand Republic. It's an artistic method seeing how you don't see both men have white hair slowly developing in their former hair to immediately aged fast.
Am i the only one confused why a training room would have live fire in the first place
It was a live fire exercise that killed private Brekenridge in starship troopers
The quadfather
How do you have NON live laser blasts?
Tarkin has NEVER taken being proved wrong well AT ALL. I just LOVE seeing him humiliated.
Same way the training probe in New Hope worked I assume
Stormtroopers would of got shat on
20 months ago
Man they really need cross hair back
why not use these droids instead of recruits and clones? they can be made in many quantities and cheaper but lack skill ofcourse
Why does tarkin hate clone troopers the obey order 66 after all
He doesnt want mindless soldiers
@@omotayoalabi-isama1925 clones are not mindless
@@preciousotoakhia9789 They basically are after order 66. They're still well trained but they lost all their inventiveness and originality which made them much weaker. You could also theoretically hack their chips and make them do whatever you'd like.
@@tadious9415 You cannot hack their chips or deactivate them as if they were droids. I suppose the Kaminoans engeneers could change whatever info the chip has and implant it for newer clones.
Hate is just a part of it but I think mostly he was trying to nullify the contact so that the Empire does not need to pay the debt. Since he was trying to argue about the contact being between the Republic and Kaminoan so Empire should not have to assume its debt. After that he protest and said that the Clones are not up to standard and needed to be re-test, hence why Bad Batch were put into such an extreme practice with life-round. Sadly for Tarkin, the Batch prevail and he has to resort to other method which led to the Clone uprising if I remember correctly.
What was the kaminoans thinking?
En dinero pero nala se pensaba en su proyecto de crear más jangos fett con las mismas habilidades o como mínimo con habilidades especiales superiores al clon promedio
@@gggvvvjggbgg4517 translation.
"I like money..."
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