TOP 5 SERIES: 3 Reasons GARY PAYTON Had To Ring Chase! Stunted Growth
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- The 90s was one of the golden eras for basketball, that I’m sure holds a special place in the hearts of all fans of the game that witnessed what that era had to offer. It was hard nosed, competitive in everyday, balanced, so much so you could have a team from Utah competing for a championship, Detroit, San Antonio and the Seattle Supersonics. Not much like today, where those championship caliber, small market franchises are the league’s bottom of the barrel, and eaten up by superstars taking the easy way as I see it to glory, knowing the short term memory of fans won’t remember the context of how they won. One small market team in particular isn’t even around any longer. Of course the Gary Payton, Shawn Kemp led Supersonics, that featured at point guard one of the greatest 2 way players to ever play the game. A trash talking, edge seeking competitor, that if not for the following 3 reasons, wouldn’t have had to chase rings at the end of his career on large market teams he tried to bury every night. Today’s story will help you understand how great Payton was, the expectations for him, and why he couldn’t win a championship in his prime when he was the best defensive, mixed with offensive point guard ever. 9x all defensive first team, defensive player of the year, 9x Allstar, and of course we have to call him champion for the bench riding shot in the dark win with Miami in 2006. He’s one of the top 50 greatest players of the 90s and well respected historically, but was held from the ultimate goal in the 90s, winning a championship. TOP 5 SERIES: 3 Reasons GARY PAYTON Had To Ring Chase! Stunted Growth
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Should older top tier NBA players be allowed to ring chase at the end of their career?
Yes that was his only option I gave them passes
I have the VHS tape of the 1990 all star weekend rookie 1on 1 gary Payton vs bo kimble.
Yes. Especially if they have been a franchise player for multiple years and the team ain't put shit around him Ala KG. How would we look at KG if he had 3-4 rings instead of one
Yeah, especially guys in the 90s. Chicago and Houston ran shit in the heart of it (1991-1998), Detroit was in its last year of its peak (1990), and the Spurs were just beginning (1999). What are you gonna do lol
@@AguilaDeOnix85 and then the Lakers came
I was happy Gary Payton got that ring. He was so great that not having a ring wouldve been a travesty. Nobody ever guarded Jordan better than The Glove, not even Mad Max.
Joe Dumars
I know. Stupid ass Rockets fans think Mad Max was even top 15 or 20 SG foes vs M.J.
Dumars, Starks, GP , R all way better foes vs M.J. than Mad Max. Nd we only mention these guards is because they were on the defensive vs Mike. They were never meant to or never could outscore M.J. so they had to work non stop on D vs him. Nd thus why they even have a category to fall under as, "Jordan checkers." They were never "Stoppers."
Guards like Reggie Miller, Allan Houston, Sidney Moncrief, Drexler, Richmond could actually make Jordan work on both ends.
So by the time Mad Max is even worth mentioning, there are so many SGs that were on Mike's radar b4 little pathetic Mad Maxine.
@@alecsanderhamilton9224 MJ himself said he hated to play against Houston because of Mad Max.
True facts hopefully everyone pays attention 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
YOU CRAZY. IM FROM CHICAGO.... HE WASNT NOTHING TO MIKE BRU💯💯🤘🏿
Ask Dwyane Wade and Shaq about his contribution to that 2006 Heat team. He was very important to that, he was a veteran voice, backed up Jason Williams, and still was a force on the defensive, and if I remember hit the game winning shot to keep the Heat alive in the finals game 3.
Who can't forget the NBA Inside Stuff on NBC every Saturdays back in the 90's
10:00am
Gary deserves that ring. The 2006 Heat had Zo, Payton, A Walker, a ton of hot names coming off the bench
They had White Chocolate too and yes he deserved it for sure. I patented my game behind his style growing up
GP was my guy. Used to love watching those Sonics team he was on.
Gary Payton my all time favorite NBA player. Good both ends offense and defense. Made layups look special ,variety also post up guard,jumper,1999-2000 led NBA 3 pointers.Mentally tough ,trash talker backed it up.
Maybe bigger George Karl blunder (in a career full of them): keeping leading scorer Ricky Pierce on the bench in 94 when the Nuggets upset them in the 1st round. Seattle was easily the best regular season team that year.
Seattle still had no business playing a game 7 against Denver tho
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Yep
@@authornahsun634 100 percent correct
U wud be rite
A Game 5 not 7. In Seven, Seattle probably wins out
Two years ago I seen Gary arguing with a security lady at Triple A. The lady was like u need a badge to go in the locker room (Big 3 event) He proceeds to say “Do you know who I am??? I’m Gary Payton, I’m Gary Payton, I’m Gary Payton…. I brought a championship to this city, somebody get her 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Glove. One of my top 5 favorite players growing up. The Sonics were the only team that would have beaten my Rockets in 94 and 95 if they hadn’t lost in the 1st to Denver and the Lakers in back to back years.
Love that music!!!!
My Dude
I Gotta applaud you, because your videos 📹have been straight 🔥nova heat.
Your dropping that "Ether".
Thank you for taking time out to produce these amazing videos.
Salute.
Dat welcome to Oakland sign was n Tha West but I get ya drift. Town Bizz!!
The fact that I’m just now finding this channel 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
One of the handful of players that would guard you full court, an absolute terror. Mookie Blaylock was almost similar.
Yeaaaa Man…. Mookie doesn’t ever get His Respect Due. 10
@@kingdingaling2469 they jus talk about his criminal life
Is almost similar still not similar ?
Now he's guarding his snacks in jail
GP turns 55 next month my all time favorite NBA player,was happy when Seattle made it to NBA Finals in 1996 after 2 first rounds disappointment previous . Was glad they won games 4 and 5,the only team to win more than one game from Bulls NBA Finals. Lost in 2004 happy he got a ring 2 yrs later in 2006 with Miami
What???? Stunted growth???? Gary payton??? First fabolous then dipset then jadakiss.... Now gary payton???? You gotta be kidding me
He did Ewing too
Buddy y’all have a hard time understanding he didn’t say they sucked read the title and listen to the video
@@Rieky22 i watched the video before I made my comment
Let's remember just because you are featured on here doesn't mean you were a bad player artist etc . just coulda done better , and we all can and could .
The Orlando year definitely counts. MJ tried to sneak in and steal a title and Shaq didn't let it happen.
🤣🤣 True. I was shocked when I saw him lose like that. In my favorite Js too! I thought MJ was superman at the time.
😂 I don’t know about that wording of MJ tries to sneak in and steal a title but I feel what you’re saying contextually
Jordan was just coming back from retirement. Dont give too much credit
@@normajeaneason6983 sounds like an excuse.
Shaq gave MJ a cool L
@@jrsmith1998 True. How about the following year when he swept him to the Lakers after both playing whole seasons?
He’s my second favorite PG ever!
94 was his year to win a ring in his prime as the #1 overall seed and no Jordan in the league but they just straight BLEW IT against Denver.
The Glove and Reign Man🔥🔥
The Glove GP
When GP first came in the league trash talking, Xavier McDaniel gave him some tough love and prepared him for the league…that humbled GP and helped him stay on top of his game…Gary Payton Interesting Fact:in a interview, GP also said his dad shaped him up for success and had to check him on his ego when he was in high school…..
Mr. Mean
@@baltimoremike9161 yes indeed…Al Payton aka mr mean was on the hook Mitchell documentary….mr mean looks like the neighborhood og who will look out for you, chin check you if you act up and tell your parents if you get in trouble in the neighborhood….RIP Al Payton aka Mr Mean..
@@beezy22 facts
@@baltimoremike9161 yes absolutely…growing up in NC, GA, And The DMV, you always had friends family and neighbors keep you out of trouble and check u if you’re wrong…these days some of the younger generation need to checked for being reckless and getting in trouble..
After his first two seasons, I thought he was going to be a bust, goes to show some players need 3 to 4 yrs to live up to their potential.
Yup it was just a different league back then other than a few notable exceptions rookies didn’t tend to come in ballin out like they do today Steve nash, go, dirk nowitski, and even Kobe along with many other notable NBA greats struggled their first year or two in the league before they started to figure it out
I was thinking the same thing, like why was Nate McMillan even his comp. I recall something that Jermaine O’Neal said later: By the end of your rookie contract if can’t show that you belong it’s the next man up.
@@johndavis9321 A lot of them just weren’t allowed to try neither.
The League & Coaches would make them ride the bench. T Mc, Jermaine O’Neal , just for “ starters “
@@kingdingaling2469 that it is also a good point
Man if he was in the league today, he'll be shutting down guys like Steph, Dame and Kyrie. Yes, I said it if anybody has doubts and want to debate.
The glove was on his knees & still gave ma man a alley oop
Glad G.P. got at least 1 championship, he deserved it! One of the best point guards & competitor's to play in the nba...
Best 2 way PG of all time is a hella flex! Getting that legacy ring is pretty dope, I'm sure Barkley and Ewing would have gladly accepted an old man ring after having a HOF career.
GP one of east Oakland’s finest #townbiz
My favorite point guard of all time........one more time for the slow folks.......MY MY FAVORITE POINT GUARD OF ALL TIME........not the greatest not the best just MY PERSONAL FAVORITE POINT GUARD OF ALL TIME
I'm a fan of both the 90s basketball era and this modern era of basketball iove em both
Do one about Kevin Durant. He stunted his growth going to Golden State
When Shawn Kemp got traded, that messed up Gary Payton and the SuperSonics for years smh…Gary Payton And Shawn Kemp:Supersonic Brothers And Best friends for years…
Stunt II ☝🏽The league wanted 🎯Jordan to win.💯
I feel like the only guy that doesn’t get grief for not winning a championship is Reggie Miller. Me and my friends watched him and we never take nothing from him. I never even hear the media trash him but he’s also rarely mentioned so he might just be lost in the sauce since he didn’t win
True it maybe because he was considered straight laced i
@@esh5168 I think it’s just cause he never left or complained to the media
Plus Reggie has alot of great Moments in the NBA especially in the playoffs..and the one time him and the Pacers and the Bulls met up it went 7 games, plus he stayed with the Pacers his whole career.
I have nothing bad to say about this man. A great player and Hall of Famer.
GP was a top 10 greatest point guard of all time . Definitely one of the greatest two way point guards ever!!!
I’m glad that Gary Payton won a championship ring with Miami
But when he played in his prime with the Sonics in the West
Gary Payton had to play against some of the NBAs best teams & players
Karl Malone & John Stockton’s Jazz (1990s)
Olajuwon’s Rockets (1990s)
David Robinson’s Spurs (1990s)
Shaquille O’Neal’s LA Lakers (90s-early 2000s)
All of these teams whose best players like GP were hall of famers
At least he made a clutch shot to help seal the finals series
I was born in Seattle in 1973, where I grew up. Sonics and Blazers fan. Japanese-American. I blame Gary Payton for the Sonics 1993-94 loss to Denver. But, in 1994-95, our loss to the Lakers was George Karl's fault. Payton feuded with Ricky Pierce in 1993-94, and in 1994-95 George Karl feuded with Kendall Gill and Sarunas Marcilonic.
Still top 10 PG Alltime .
Born in Seattle in 1973,Sonics and Blazers fan, by 1999-2000, I was NO longer a Gary Payton fan. I wanted Dallas to win in 2005-06, because I did NOT want prick Gary Payton to win a ring. He got Vernon Maxwell to throw a dumbbell at him (and injured Horace Grant, who was being peacemaker), he angered Ruben Patterson, and he made Rashard Lewis cry in practice.
JC, you should do videos on Cals Poo Richardson, Michigan Terry Mills, and David Rivers of Notre Dame
My all time favorite NBA player,was happy he got a Championship before his career ended. He was good on both ends offense and defense.
Players should never get hate for ring chasing if they dont theyll get hated too
Mamba mentality IS NOT the killer instinct
Mamba mentality is about pushing yourself
Killer instinct is about dominating others
As a Kid Growing up Iove the 90's era of basketball .
Payton was like Westbrook. Amazing talent, all his teammates love him, but you take the good with the bad, because this dude would more often shoot you out of a big game than carry his team over the finish line.
Very true.
Vin Baker stunted growth!!!
Was ShAq’s 06 Ring really a shot in the dark? That team was built nicely
Mannnnnnn the glove was a whole baller! Mannnnnnn those alleys to kemp was a foo!
Yeah Gary ring chasing made sense.
The only PG to win DYOP
Defensive year of player??
Ring chaser!! You're boy Lafraud is the biggest Ring chaser bro
I’m lost how GP 💍 🏃🏾 he was 34 when he got traded to the Bucks went to Boston at 35 a team trying to make to the finals, then went to Miami to play with Shaq at 36 -38.
@stuntedgrowth did you hear your reasoning in the intro? The very reason I disagreed with your goat analysis. If lbj is now surpassed by giannis n kd, how couldn’t that apply to mj which is exactly what happened. Anyway, keep up the great work overall
I don't believed in the concept of ring chasing, it's just competing. Players have ever right to do what it takes to put themselves in the best positions to win.
Putting hall of farmers in stunted growth is moronic
Running out of subjects
@@ruggerREL plenty of subjects/players left to cover
hall of *famers
Nah it’s not really. Some of them didn’t reach the heights expected. For example some one like T Mac who was a talented player and a great in his day was held back by injuries and team mates.
You tripping with these HALL OF FAME stunted growth? What didn't Payton do as a player?
U guys have serious interpretation issues
Stunted growth means a person didnt meet the expectations, it doent mean the guy is a bust
@@rafaslb501 they just came here to hate on the man
@@rafaslb501 I asked JC a similar on the Pat Ewing episode he replied that legends are not exempted from having flaws in their careers/game style even the great Michael Jordan they are all human and there are still lessons we can still learn from them both good and bad. Sadly people have unrealistic expectations where they constantly putting them on the pedastal
For real. The stunted growth should be on that Sonics team in general. Gary Payton as a player didn't have flaws.
Pat Beverly mixed with Rondo
bench riding shot in the dark is crazy jc... gP defintely was in the rotation. split time with white chocolate. dont do the legend like that !
Show some love to The Glove mane he earned his opportunities lol
With how huge of a market Seattle is now it's surprising they haven't got a team yet
Bro that would be so dope. Always loved Seattle as an NBA team home. And their colors were fire... If Shawn hadn't forced his way out, or the team paid him, they may still have a team.
@@stuntedgrowth I could imagine it now if Seattle came back with a NBA squad it would definitely be a hot destination , not the best weather but just how "quirky" the city is and just the feel of the city it would most definitely get a couple stars in a off-season and how the Seattle metro has boomed in the last twenty years it's bound to get another team they just need to take the steps as a city and build a state of the art arena downtown and they'll attract some one more than likely it'll be the Memphis Grizzlies 👀
I say within 2 to 3 years the Sonics will be back.
Durants been the best player for a bit now.
1. Michael
2. Jeffrey
3. Jordan
Jk
Exactly!!!
The first stunt for every ring-less player from the 90s should be MJ.
JC this summed up Gary Payton's career perfectly. Payton was right tho about him guarding Jordan in that finals. George Karl is a stubborn, asshole, overrated coach. That decided to defend Jordan with Hershey Hawkins the first 3 games, who was pretty good but far from Gary Payton. They series would have went better. I remember saying that when it was happening in real time in 96.
To me GP ring would have meant more if he did it against Jordan. Him not doing it with Shawn Kemp is the travesty but least he got one.
The only thing that I didn't like about this one was the fact that any blame is on Shawn Kemp ,no it was the organizations fault on why Shawn had issues with them and it was not about money for Shawn the organization didn't want to spend any money on good players !!!!!! Shawn was never a problem or a distraction from getting a ring actually SHAWN KEMP should be in the HOF without a question he was one of the only players who literally carried the NBA and made it what it is known for today and that's showmanship and excitement , if course there were a few guys that had that as well buy Shawn was straight out of high school and was the too three best players easy from 90 season to 1997 do the history that boy got robbed out the HOF and he did all of this in that era with all those Hall of famers he shined above all of them he was in every All-Star game and he shine defense and offense so underrated !!!
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I stg I never knew Gary was 6’4. He don’t look that shit at all
Do Kevin Martin. He was a glass cannon in the scoring department
Have you done a video on Perry Jones III yet?
Like your content but must you show and mention Jordan every episode? Lol
I don’t see how people are putting Russ over Payton on their all time list I think that if Durant played with Payton he would have won a ring in okc
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Bring back the Supersonics!
I know this is nit picky, but Vin Baker came from the Bucks right? I mean, it was a three way deal that sent Kemp and Sherman Douglas to Cleveland........Cleveland sent someone to the Bucks and the Supes got Baker. Something like that. He never came from Cleveland though.
My hometown,the city I live in, the Pacific Northwest Seattle 206,,Gary and Shawn used to be at all the middle schools and Highschool's talkin to the kids,they had free bball camps every summer,,,,
Man… that’s not really the same. That’s not really ring chasing.
He was parts of some super dope squads and did His thing.
I get it , but…In this case it’s 1 of the few where it was the move to make @ that time in His career.
Those Sea Town squads with Gill, Schremf , BiG Smooth & Kemp and later Hersey Hawkins for Gill
Those Teams were Super Dope. GP
Ive met GP and He’s cool as a MuFu , mahn. Super smooth Old School energy. Real Cool 1.
Good point. I wish that Sea team stayed together. They were young enough to still make it happen. I think it's OK older guys "ring chase". Especially when they've had HOF level careers. p.s what do you think Wade was yelling at him for? Looked like he was telling "the glove" to play D?
@@stuntedgrowth Yes Sir. Good looks.
Idk, Wade was getting @ Him though ! I don’t ever remember seeing that clip before , neither.
Good 1
I’m going to have to look again.
Haha we got the same birthday
10:56 what’s going on between wade and Gary right there? Looks hostile
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Gotta do Gerry McNamara bro
LeBron had to ring chase his whole career & nobody talks about it. Why? Bcuz Durant. His ring chasing is on another level smh
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Not ring chasing when you are far past your prime.
It’s not ring chasing if they trade you
Should of paid Kemp more or with some kind of bogus bonus to stay, he was angry they paid their 20 min center more than him. Find a better scoring 6th man off the bench and they would of been golden till retirement
Jim was a great shot blocker though
Jordans 94-95 season did count lol
You can say that but he played 17 games I believe str8 from playing pro baseball . can't be the best every year .
@@dutchpackdior2178 he had to pass a physical and play the game of basketball as soon as he laced up his sneakers and put on that jersey he was ready
@@nylgnd38 understood , like i said you cant be the best every year .
Giannis and KD are NOT better than Lebron James even now lol💯
KD and Giannis ain't nowhere near better than LeBron but keep reaching I'm sure that stretch will work out for you someday👍🏼
exactly.
GP put the work in every time he stepped on the court, so yea he can ring chase. Aint like he sat around and complain. I think John Salley aint put no work in and he got a few rings.
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do you really think the freak better then bron?
No. I'm just saying, for a person that thinks that, you can't change their mind. Just like you can't say to a Bron fan Greek is better. He's not though.
@@stuntedgrowth Even right now in 2022, Giannis is not better than Lebron.
Fam the Greek freak has not surpassed LeBron stop lol
Did he really ring chase or did he go to the right team???
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You should stop doing Hall of Fame greats like this. Gary Payton had no stunted growth. He was great.
6:31 Foul
I honestly can’t imagine MJ in today’s game. Of course the GOAT would develop some flopping skills and a 3 point shot...