2008 Toyota Sienna Transmission Fluid Change
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- DIYDave tackles a transmission fluid change on his 2008 Toyota Sienna, and talks about the various opinions about transmission maintenance that drove the choices he made. Enjoy and subscribe!
* UPDATE: The 2008 Sienna takes "Type WS" fluid, *NOT Type IV as I noted in the video**. Thanks to Raymond Zhao for calling my attention to this in the comments. Do NOT trust the Haynes service manual for this vehicle - that's what called out Type IV ATF fluid!
*UPDATE 11/30/19* After two more "spill-and-fill" cycles, the Sienna transmission is smooth as silk and the fluid is rich and red. This has been a success! I doubt I will ever have to deal with this again on this vehicle, but if I did, I would almost certainly consider the DIY "flush" by draining the pan, refilling, and then pumping out through the transmission cooler lines. If I do that, I might do a video accordingly. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Usually when somone spends this much time talking at the start i skip through but man youve got the same brain as me im glad somone else went this deep into an old minivans transmission life span LOL
@@bullydungeon9631 Thanks 😁
Very informative and so much attention to detail. Anyone with Toyota Sienna would benefit from watching this 👍🏼
Thank you!!!
Dave makes one of the best videos on the 2008 Sienna steering rack and pinion replacement. He takes you through the whole process with details. The information is invaluable.
Thank you so much for all the kind words!! Very much appreciated!!❤️
Where is that video please? Can't find it
th-cam.com/video/S3kKdGKQcFM/w-d-xo.html
Nice now I know where to go👌
I appreciate that you use words like "sequester" and "concurring". Classy! ;)
LOL thanks 😁
This is by far the best video I've seen on transmission change for a sienna, thanks!
Thanks for watching!!
Nicely done Super Dave!
Thanks James!!
Good job Sir. Very detailed and informative.
Nice video and info. I used a plastic bag around the drain hole to guide the fluid and to avoid splash
Dandy idea! Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the video I will get my toyota sienna 2008 this Saturday
Awesome!! It's a great vehicle! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for your step by step expeenation
Wow, transmission change on the Sienna is quick and easy! However, the spark plug change is not.
Oh the spark plugs change is nightmarish. You have to remove the whole stinking intake and lower windshield screen to even GET to the rear plugs!! Thanks for watching!
@@DIYDaveOK I had a mechanic do mine. He put new coils in the back while at it.
@@davidwooten3430 Not a bad idea. I never changed the plugs or coils while we had that van. We outgrew it when our kids grew up and sold it a couple of years ago.
Thank you Dave for your insight opinion on the transmission filter and why it's not worth the effort to replace it. I appreciate your sharing video that can help me drain and fill my 2009 Sienna. (I assume they have the same transmission)..... Again, thank you and take care !!
Thanks for watching! Yes, I believe they are the same (or substantially similar) tranny. Not 100% certain, but likely.
IT'S GOING TO EVENTUALLY NEED IT DONE! SCREENS CLOG CRACK! WEAR OUT! THE MAGNETS WILL BADLY NEED A GOOD CLEANING! PAN TOO. NEW GASKET! WE PLACE OVERSIZED MAGNETS THAT HUG THE BOTTOM PAN! OUTSIDE! THIS HELPS.
Excellent video. Thank you.
Thanks!!
Thanks Dave!
08 Sienna here.......What a great utilitarian vehicle. Smooth, decent power and dependable.
It was an absolute tank. Loved that beast!
Thank you for the video sir👍
Thank you for watching!!!
I agree with you on the transmission flush at the mechanic shop. Don't do it.
At 85000 mi the fluid was turning brown on my 2008 Sienna so I did a "DIY flush" through the top cooler line, and the fluid was then bright red after I ran 12 quarts through it (actually I call it a fluid exchange because you're not really flushing). It's actually a very easy job. The hardest part was getting the drain bolt loose.
The fluid was still bright red at 145,000 mi but I did another flush/exchange at that time. Mileage is now 195,000 and the fluid is still bright red. Overall an overwhelming success.
That's awesome, Jack! Thanks for sharing and for watching!
That is the CORRECT way to change the fluid on a Sienna. 12- 12.5 quarts. NOT 3.......
Thanks for the video. Just got a 2008 sienna with 174000 on it and want to spill and fill the transmission. Also, I have that same closed drain pan and it sucks. Always makes a huge mess from splashing
USE A DEEP WIDE WELL ONE, OVERSIZED! AT HARBOUR FR. TOOLS= 10 DOLLARS.
Dave, do you still have the van? Love your videos on the 2008 Sienna steering rack and pinion replacement. Yours is the best one ever on the whole Internet I’ve seen.
No, we outgrew it when our kids graduated and moved out. Sold it about two years ago. Wife wanted a RAV4 ❤️ And thanks for the kind words!! It was a challenge to be sure!
@@DIYDaveOK …we only put in 72,000 KM on our 2008 Sienna. We are the first owner. Mostly used for vacation drives. We put in 241,000KM on our 2006 Corolla. Great little car.
Our Sienna was my wife's daily driver to school and our "mass transit" vacation van on *four* trips to Florida from Oklahoma. It was an absolute dream to drive and *loved* to be on the highway. I miss that van and believe with proper care it easily had another 100,000 miles of life left. Heck I would have kept it had my wife really not kinda pushed for the RAV4❤️
Hi How many miles did you’re van have when u did this ?
Well done video
Thanks!
Your detail in explaining was awsome. Thank you.
Thanks, Paul!! And thanks for watching!
Great video! I think I'll use a deep pan to catch the fluid, park it on my ramps overnite than spill n fill! Thanks for info, especially about when and if you should do a trans oil change.my 2008 Sienna has 140,000 but i’ve been changing fluid every 50,000 so I think I'll be ok. I'm 72 years young and in great shape but this will be my first time on the trans, oil changes I do myself. Again thanks for ur input, God bless.......
Awesome! Thanks for the kind words and I'm glad you found the info useful!!
@William That's really done by using the best FULL SYTHN. FLUID.
72 is a lot younger, you a short a little to be mid age.
Nice Job
Great job.
Thanks for watching!
...and nice video!
Thanks again!
Oh the lifetime fluid it 100% legit. When the fluid's lifetime is up so soon is the transmission. Lifetime-Setting Fluid.
LOL I love this! Too true.
Buen video gracias. And you 👍
Gracias!
I put an inline screw on filter on mine between the transmission and radiator. I take the filter off and slide the drain pan under and start it up while filling the tranny funnel. You dump as much as you want through the system and you get ALL the fluid out. The best part is i never have to get it on ramps its all done from the top. I should do a video to show people what i am talking about. Its simple and effective and uses a real hydraulic type filter instead of the door screen thats in the transmission. 3 1/2 quarts doesn't get much out the drain plug way.
Definitely an alternative to repeated drain and fills. I considered this very method, but was always a little wary of making sure I was refilling as much as I was removing. Sounds like it has worked great for you!
I remembering calling the dealer and was told that the ws fluid that is an advanced fluid. and he said out of his 30 years working for Toyota he haven't sold many filters for the sienna, he also stated that a regular drain and fill is good enough and that the filter is a screen mesh that is sort of reusable but if you change the fluid regularly the particles will be removed mainly when you drain the transmission, I didn't fully agree but normal drain and fills will be very suffice. Many people overthink this and keeping fresh and clean fluid will not allow the particles to build up because it will be regularly drained.
Exactly what my research indicated. Just no need to replace the transmission filter on this specific vehicle due to the nature of the filter
GUNK BUILDS UP ON ANY SCREEN MESH, ESPECIALLY LETTING IT GO SO VERY LONG! THE MAGNETS ALSO GET CLOGGED! SO YOU'RE NOW RECYCLING METALS PARTICULATES! DON'T LOOK AT ONLY THE EASY WAY OUT HERE. METICULOUS DETAILS WILL MAKE A GREAT DIFFERENCE! OUR' 20008 SIENNA IS USED AS TAXI! IT HAS 878.OOO! MILES!🚕🚕🚖🚖IT RUNS LIKE NEW
Hi Dave, the van manual instructs to use "Toyota Genuine ATF WS" (ATF JWS3324 or NWS9638). Toyota dealer gave me ATF WS (00289-ATFWS). Haynes manual specifications say "Toyota Genuine automatic transmission fluid Type T-IV (or equivalent)". Which one is the right trans fluid? Can I use the ATF WS (00289-ATFWS)? I added the ATF WS (00289-ATFWS) but not driven it yet, please let me know if this is right ASAP. Thanks.
I did the same thing, and found the Haynes manual is wrong. The 08 Sienna takes WS fluid, but after checking with some local techs they said running for a time with the Type IV was ok, but just switch it with a drain-and-fill, which I did and the trans ran fine until we sold it. If you put in WS, you're fine!
Also transmission shops use different transmission fluids for different vehicles you might get some other type of oil residue there which might not be good
Thank you
I have a 2008 toyota sienna le. It start to do crazy like delay shift gear. Sometimes is jerk when you press on the gas to acceleration. Do you think i need to change the fluid. I got a code p2714 thanks
That's a code for a malfunctioning shift solenoid - solenoid "D" stuck in the off position. It is possible changing the fluid could help, especially if it hasn't been changed, but there's also a legit possibility the solenoid or the wiring to it is faulty.
Hi there . I have a 2008 xle with 170k on it . It needs a wheel bearing , front sway bar links and rear shocks and 4 wheel alignment which will cost a total of $1000 . Is the vehicle worth fixing you think ? Thanks v much for the recommendations
Absolutely. Those Siennas are absolute tanks and many are going strong at 300k miles. I know it's a lot of money, but if you trust who gave you the diagnosis, go for it.
if you use the crush washer over and do not install new one will it leak, stupid question i know but has trans oil changed recently and something is leaking trans fluid on the ground and i am adding oil every so often, thanks for any response, thank you
Not typically, especially if you checked it after you refilled it. I'd look for any other possible leak sources, like the drain pan gasket or a loose cooler line to the radiator.
@@DIYDaveOK they had the pan off and put filter in, i have trouble crawling under it to check stuff and suspect i will have to take it back and complain, i really do not like to do that but i do not like the leak either, thanks for the response
Were you checking the fluid level with the motor running?
Yup. Warmed up and in park. Gotta get that fluid to go through it's thermal expansion to ensure its at or near the full mark. That's the beauty of a same-temperature drain and fill; no matter how complex or "sealed" the transmission is, if you take x amount out and put exactly x back in, you should be golden.
Any negative effects of using the wrong ATF? Is the van still shifting well?
None at all. The van operated flawlessly for the rest of the time we owned it.
Friend a query my toyota sienna is year 2004 and its transmission liquid is dirty has 120 thousand km I can apply this change of liquid and how many miles it was applied again
I'm not sure of the specifics regarding the transaxle on that year Sienna, but the *general* concepts should apply - cold engine, drain and measure, then replace with the same amount of fluid. There is also a caution about doing anything like this on a vehicle of that age - 18 years is a great run and with low mileage, too! Has the transaxle fluid *ever* been changed? If you decide to do this, just keep in mind the most critical thing to remember, as I stressed in the video, is *never* do a *powered flush* of the system as some garages try to sell - especially on a vehicle of that age. After doing that, I'd run another 500 miles or so, then do the same thing again - cold engine, drain and measure what comes out of the transaxle, and replace with exactly the same amount. Be sure to use the proper fluid for your transaxle. Again, I don't have the specifics for your year Sienna, so I'm not sure how much you should expect to drain out of it. Given that your Sienna is 18 years old, I don't think I would do more than two spill and fill cycles. There's an argument to be made that on a vehicle of that age that transaxle fluid change is of limited value if it has *never* been changed. So consider those factors in your decision. Thanks for watching!
I read somewhere on the Internet that you should change your transmission fluid and filter on these Toyotas every 90,000 miles… How often do you change yours?
This was the only time I changed it on this Sienna. We sold it about three years ago. I would do an initial drain and fill at about 60k miles on most Toyota/Lexus models.
The owners manual says 3.7 quarts for drain and refill. Is 3.5 quarts a bit short?
Not sure, Khoa, but in the subsequent spill-and-fills I did, I got essentially identical amounts each time. Thanks for watching!
Do you recommend to change the transmission filter?
How often?
On this Sienna, the filter is more of a mesh than a fine filter, so regular replacement isn't IMHO as essential as it might be in some cases. I never replaced the filter on this one.
Hi if you can please answer my question I would appreciate it, My mom has a 2010 Toyota Sienna Le with 187,000 miles we bought it on September 24 2016 with 70,000 miles from private owner we have never changed the transmission fluid since we bought it. The transmission was rebuilt at 116,000 miles does that mean the fluid was changed. We have a good mechanic that works in our car we’ve changed motor mounts about 5,000 miles ago and rear shocks and front wheel bearings last year. Only thing we need to get fixed is the steering rack and pinion, should we change the transmission fluid. Also we’ve done tune ups and regular other maintenance but he never told us about changing the transmission fluid he did mention when we did the tuneup about when it had 120,000 miles that it was dirty.
Hi Joseph! If you had the tranny rebuilt, I'd have to believe fresh fluid was put in it. If you've had 70k miles since then, I'd definitely consider at least a series of about three drain-and-fills about 100 miles or so apart, which would replace about 70-80% of the fluid in the trans. Thanks for watching!
@@DIYDaveOK thank you so much
@@josephcordero6669 My pleasure!
Star bold or hex bold? I still feel confuse. which bold is for Transmission tank?
Hex bolt.
The drain plug requires a 10mm star socket? or 10mm hex socket?
Hex.
Are you sure about the type IV? My dealership told me Toyota WS. I also have a 2008 Toyota Sienna .
It is WS. I think soon after I posted this video early comments pointed out what I realized was an error in my service manual that absolutely did state Type IV. I flushed it out later with two rounds of WS after talking to a couple of transmission shops who each advised me that while the IV wasn't ideal, there wasn't *that* much difference between the two fluids and the change out I did with the WS would be adequate. I had this vehicle for at least a couple more years following this video and the tranny ran flawlessly.
We have a 2007 sienna with 251,000 miles on it and we have changed transmission fluid and she's still a beast.
We did a spill and fill too.
It's a great van! Thanks for watching!
Question to you with your 250K miles. At which mileage you've changed the transmission fluid the first time?
@@kovalenkoihor4325 we started doing a drain and fill at about 190. We are now almost 200 miles away from hitting 300k
@@TheYotaMan Why I was asking, because I'm right now at 120k Miles (~180K kms) and I have no idea, whether it was changed even once. So now afraid to change it not to have transmission issues (like slipping etc. ). Right now I'm more convinced that I need to do partial change anyway with high probability of not having any potential issues
I just did my 08 and it took 3 quarts 28 ounces. I might still need to put in the remaining 4 ounces (bought 4 quarts) but I’m being cautious.
I think as long as you replace like-for-like (same amount in/out) you're safe, especially if you do so with the transmission cold. Thanks for watching!
I’d put 4Quarts rather than 3.5Q because initially the estimated amount of used tranny oil that was taken out was more than 3.5Q that you measured in the milk jug but good experiment though.
Just drained my sienna 2008 and it drained exactly 4 quarts. Very interesting. Like 0.5 quarts more than documentation says. But on warmed up I have exactly HOT level of fluid on a dipstick. So should be good.
Nice Job Dude....Just bought an '06.... About to go through all that shit.....Sure as hell ain't a '72 Chevy
Your not cleaning the sludge/ magnet /. Filter in the pan.also could you judge filter clog by fluid flow at the rad. Cooler lines??
Mesh style filter doesn't really benefit the system much from replacement.
Any pics of the screen? What size particles?? Will the fresh fluid clean sludge off the pan bottom and spread it through the transmission
@user-st5rc9nz4j No, no pics. Determined mesh replacement was unnecessary in research prior to doing the video. "Sludge" is typically too viscous to be "swept back" into the transaxle, especially given presence of magnet.
How difficult was it to clean the driveway?
LOL not too bad. A scant bit of dry detergent and a good water hose spritz took care of the worst of it. 😁
Why not do the trans filter too?
On these transmissions, (and some other Toyota transmissions such as that on some Camry models) the filter is little more than a coarse mesh, and given that changing it involves dropping the pan, I didn't see a great marginal benefit in it. This was also consistent with the experience of others I had researched before taking on the project. Thanks for the great question and for watching!
I check my levels and it was nothing on the dipstick, so I added a court in a half and now it’s shows low on the dipstick idk what’s going on I have a 2007 le just brought it off a lot
Wow, keep in mind a Sienna transaxle holds at least *10 quarts* of fluid - so if a quart still shows it low more may well be necessary. Also be sure to check the fluid level with the engine warm, because it expands significantly with heat. You don't want to overfill it!
@@DIYDaveOK ok thanks I checked it while the engine was hot, it’s showing cold now on the dipstick should I add another half court of ATF?
@@dmoore215 If the engine is cold, always let it warm up before checking trans fluid level. If when warm it is still significantly low, add more fluid then. Add modest amounts and wait a few minutes, letting it come to temperature. That's because what you add will be cooler than what's already in the transaxle. Once it warms up and expands, you can recheck your level.
@@DIYDaveOK ok I appreciate it 🤟🏽
Dave, thanks for the info and your take on the reasoning of why and when and how to change the fluid. I’m 56 and spent most of my years “turning wrenches”. I also laugh when I hear “lifetime” fluid. Everything is such a scam anymore by these megacorps and just meant to get more dollars out of our pockets and make us all more dependent on them, shame on them. I remember when the “old timer” mechanics could tune an engine pretty accurately just by listening to it...sorry about the rant, just makes me so angry today how things work these days. I’m gonna take your advice and not change the filter and just do a couple dump and refills. That’s what I did on my ex-wife’s Honda Odyssey about 4 years ago (after an “auto zone” employee already sold me two filters-a spin on exterior trans filter and an interior one). My buddy, who I worked with at a John Deere dealership was gonna let me use his flush machine, but lucky I got similar advice to yours and didn’t “backflush” the trans unit. Take Care, Man
Thanks for the kind words and feedback, Steve! Thanks for watching!
used a deep drain pan
How's the van running? Did the mistake in fluid do anything?
Hi Alex! No problems whatever with the transmission. Did a couple more spill and fills with the.WS fluid and we've been just fine. Thanks for watching!
My 2007 Sienna manual calls for ATF WS! Not the one mentioned in the video.
Why not remove the pan and change the filter on the 1st one?
My research into the transmission on this Sienna indicated filter replacement was not critical. It's more of a mesh than a true filter so replacing it less vital.
Is not a bad idea to remove transmission pan and change filter and pan gasket that's all I do
Yes, that's definitely an option, but the "filter" is really a coarse screen rather than a fine filter, so replacing isn't as essential. Certainly no harm in replacing it. Thanks for watching!
@@DIYDaveOK some people wash it and reused it 2015 Toyota avalon is about 145$
How many times you change your transmission fluid since you already changed??? I just wander. Thanks
If I remember correctly, I went through three spill-and-fill iterations.
Our 2010 Sienna takes 4.25 quarts after a drain and fill.
Guessing it was a 4 cyl, then?
3.5 V6@@DIYDaveOK
That' washer was fine. Not needed to replace. Also = USE A SAFETY JACK STANDS!
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What type of oil?
Type 4 or just go to Toyota
You remind me of Alton Brown (cooking channel)
Thanks!! I used to watch Good Eats all the time!!
07 sienna takes atf ws oil ... or Valvoline MaxLife Multi-Vehicle Automatic Transmission Fluid
I went ahead and used Toyota OEM fluid on mine, and the call-out from the manual on my '08 was Type IV fluid, and it has been running like a champ since my drain/refill. Thanks for watching and commenting!!
@@DIYDaveOK 2008 sienna Used WS oil.
@@Xemma25X I will have to verify that. The sources I checked said it was Type IV, and in fact a separate video on the 08 Sienna did the same thing. But I will verify. Thanks for watching and contributing!
@@Xemma25X wow, Raymond, I just looked at the manual again and you are 100% right. What a dummy mistake on my part. I think I may have taken that from the Haynes teardown manual. Thanks for the heads up!!
DIY Dave Because I want to change now! last time mechanic gave me a replacement TIV! I clean the transmission! Used 12QT WS oil ！
Cambio de filtro de la transmisión y de la turbina
Changing the filter is not as essential on this van. We owned this van for several years and tens of thousands of miles after I did this service with no transmission issues whatsoever, and never changed the filter.
you should of dropped the transmission pan & replaced the filter while you was changing the fluid
My research prior to doing this job indicated that changing the filter was not a critical aspect of maintenance on this transaxle, so I opted not to. Thanks for the input and for watching!!
When doing a transmission service it's good to take the pan down & clean it out & the magnets in the pan
@@jesse197981 Definitely an option. I chose not to drop the pan in this case.
As an engineer, you need about 50x times to fully replace your transmission fluid, in your way.
I have an engineering background myself and am fully aware you won't replace 100% of the fluid with this method. I believe I demonstrated the math about the approximate percentage of replacement for this Sienna. Mathematically, not even 50 changes will literally replace 100%; this system asymptotically approaches 100%. The poiny is that a *substantial* replacement of fluid by this method over multiple iterations is *far* better than the power flush method pushed by numerous shady shops.
@@DIYDaveOK Thanks, the cost and time effective way and only one time, is to buy a cheap oil pump and take the return hose from the radiator to a battle of new oil, after emptying what in the oil pan, and start the car etc, it’s like the way with can without oil stick (recycling the oil through he pump till the new oil come out). You you find a lot of videos on TH-cam.
Yes, I've seen those videos and I choose not to take the risk of a external pump inadvertently going dry (source tube falling off, obstruction in the line, etc etc,) and destroying the transmission in the process. High risk of that occurring? Maybe, maybe not, but for me it's just too simple to do two or three spill-and-fills and call it good. To each their own. I applied a similar process to my 2015 Lexus ES 350 "sealed" transmission at 60k miles - a process recommended by the excellent @TheCarCareNut channel, and the results were great. Did a video on that myself.
@@DIYDaveOK Thanks again, yeah maybe a different opinion, I did both way in my 2006 Seinna and my FJ Cruiser, finally, I decided to do a full oil change only one time every 3y the right way as I said before, using a pump and recycling the oil, if you follow the right steps which is easy, then there will not meet any high risk occurring. Just think about it, do it once for cheap or many times for more times and money to pay?
"Right" is subjective in this case. I eliminate the risk of any external pump failure with a simple spill and fill. If you're comfortable using the pump method, that's valid as well. As for cost, either method as a percentage of the cost of the a) vehicle or b) a transmission, is vanishingly small, and either method is better than the chemical-forced flush.
You are lucky that you can fill it from the hood
Yes, I know. I *hate* these sealed transmissions on the newer cars. Thanks for watching!
I asked the dealer to change the transmission fluid for my 2007 Sienna while they changed the oil for me. They laughed at me and told me to spend the money to buy them coffee. They showed me the manual which clearly states that the fluid is a life time fluid except you are doing a of towing.
Well, lifetime fluid is a joke IMO. There's simply no such thing. In reality, "lifetime" means "life" of vehicle, which these days means about 100k or maybe five or six years. Then they want you to buy a new car.
@@DIYDaveOK
I put an ATF temperature gauge in our RAV4. When I saw the temperature go up to 226°F, I knew the fluid was seriously damaged. Without knowing how hot your fluid gets you can't possibly know whether it's lifetime or not. Less than 47,000 miles on our RAV4 and I've already done three drain and fills.
Fluids wear out with use. Not changing it will just get a premature tranny replacement before you needed to. Notice they never said what mileage lifetime is.
Absolutely. In fact, I just shot a video today doing trans fluid spill/fill in my 2015 ES 350 using guidance from The Car Care Nut channel. Hope to get that edited this week!!
No sirve 😔 está información,,el chiste es que le quite el filtro de la transmisión y que le tire el aceite en general,,,de 10 a 12 cuartos 😮
He worked a little bit but he talk a lot look like never have a chance to talk
Hi Danny! I'm still trying to reduce the chatter. Sorry about that! Trying to get better, thanks for watching!
Thank you
Thanks for watching!