Thank you. There is definitely more wear and tear with the rentals. But to be fair, most of the things I pointed out happened early on and were not the fault of renters.
I have a Grand Design Imagine XLS 22RBE and have towed it from Southern California to Wisconsin and back twice. Each round trip is 4500 miles and includes 2 mountain passes. I tow it with a 2020 Ford F-150 with a 3.5L Ecoboost using a WD hitch. The truck tows the camper and a family of 4 with no problem. Typical speed is 70 mph. Super important to spend some time and get the tongue weight set properly.
I have a Grand Design imagine 17MKE and towed it with my 2015 Silverado 1500 4x4 double cab 5.3l for 5,000 miles. Truck had 1750 payload and pulled the trailer okay. But start going up hills and it felt that I was working the truck a little too much. Bought a 2019 Silverado 2500HD 4x4 double cab with the 6.0 l. Got over 7,000 miles now and there is a difference. Much more stable and while the power is close to same as my 2015, I know the truck is going to last for much longer. No major issues with my trailer. I’d buy another one and probably will down the road. Great videos!
I tow a 2600RB with a half ton (2018 F-150 V8) it tows it fine, although the factory tires are a bit weak in the sidewalls so you can a bit of sway. I also highly recommend the rear cam.
We pull a 2400bh with a 2018 f150 v8. We replaced tires with BFG K02 E rated tires and added airlift 5000 air bags. These upgrades really stabilized the truck when towing. We also replaced standard mirrors with OEM tow mirrors. We keep the loaded weight of the trailer around 6500 lbs and we have good results towing our trailer. I will likely upgrade to a f250 if we decide to go full time and start towing over mountains on longer trips. We are currently empty nester weekend warriors in the
@@fedguy9182 Thank you for the information. Is your truck close to its payload capacity when towing at 6500 pounds? Just curious because i just ordered a 2400bh and i have 2016 f150 v8.
@@tjwrangler011 We have around 400 lbs of payload remaining. I need to go to the CAT scale again once we restock the trailer when we take it out after storage. I just upgraded to a Pro Pride 3P hitch so it may alter the payload a little but it is my understanding that the hitch geometry really minimizes the payload numbers as a significant portion of the hitch weight (200 lbs) transfers to the trailer. Our trailer is well below its GVWR. What is the payload sticker show for your particular truck? Our payload sticker is 1800 lbs with the truck GVWR of 7050 lbs
@@fedguy9182 that is good to know. Thank you. The payload in my truck is 1830 lbs and the GVWR is 7000 lbs. I need to upgrade my tires to E rated tires.
@@tjwrangler011 E rated tires will help but most important thing is dialing in the WD hitch so that the front end is within a 1/4 inch or so of the un hitched truck front end. Enjoy and stay safe.
We just got a 2021 Grand Design 2800BH and tow with a 2015 F-150 super crew 6.5’ 5.0L. Truck has 1971lbs payload capacity and 9100lbs towing capacity. Airlift airbags installed as well to stiffen up the rear. When fully loaded including people, dog, firewood, etc. we’re within our weight limits, and the Equalizer hitch controls things well. This trailer is actually a little lighter than our previous one, and better balanced as well. I won’t argue that a 3/4 ton truck would be ideal. 😀
We have the same trailer and rent ours out. It has come back in one piece, no interior damage like yours. We tow ours with a 2017 Ramm 1500 Ecodiesel and we really dont need the equalizer hitch, but use it for safety reasons. We get around 15mph pulling our trailer out here in Utah with all the mountain passes and hills we go over. We love our Imagine 2400BH. Ours came with the 150 watt roof mounted solar panel and upgraded 6volt batteries. We put our 4000 watt generator in the front pass through storage. ITS HUGE.
We have a 2017 GD 297 RSTS and we love. I did extensive research on all brands and decided on GD based on many categories. Of course we have had some minor issue which we expected as well as the dreaded bearing issues which were covered under warranty. Personally, I would never rent out our rig, let alone allow anyone including family to borrow it. You just increase the chances of things braking on your rig. Not sure how anyone can vet any renter, especially prior towing experience and set up knowledge. We have put on several thousand miles on ours with not major issues. We did replace our china bombs tires and upgraded the suspension system (MoreRide). We tow our with our 2016 diesel Ford F-250 4X4.
You’re towing with a half ton? I’m looking at the same trailer but have a 2017 Ford Expedition Platinum Max. Won’t be getting a bigger truck but can’t decide if I’d be ok pulling the GD2800BH
We have a 2020 grand design imagine 2400BH, and are from Central Minnesota. Overall we did have a few pieces of trim come loose or not installed properly, but they were very minor, one of our shades stopped retracting, And be careful not to put too much pressure on the bottom step of the ladder in back there's no support and it will bend. We had a similar issue with our shower sliding door, the dealers took care of it it, something down low came loose, seemed to be a simple fix, and has worked perfectly ever since. Overall though I've been very happy we've had our unit for a little over a year now, our dealer, and Grand design have been excellent to deal with. We also tow with a 2018 F-150 with a 3-5 EcoBoost long box crew cab, I opted to go with a propride hitch, which I find to help in extreme wind scenarios when we go on several thousand miles trips. Personally as of right now I wouldn't even consider another RV manufacturer, I love our grand design!
Just a thought.... if those issues were minor, then why hasn’t manufacturing done something to eliminate them? Poor quality is not an accident, it is a choice!
We have the 2019 model and love it. We replaced the dinette with a pair of recliners since we try to eat outside as much as possible. Love the storage, fresh and waste tank capacities and the utility center in the pass through. Sorry you’ve experienced some quality issues - Grand Design I’m sure will stand behind their product. We tow the 2400BH with our Ram Ecodiesel 1/2 ton and have never felt the truck was overmatched.
Overall the issues were minor and we are still happy with it. Our 1/2 ton doesn't feel overmatched at all either, but our lease is up this year and we are looking at getting a F-250.
Hi there. We own a GD 2670 mk and also had a very difficult time with the water hose near the outdoor kitchen. I hopped on the GD FB sites and found the solution. Turn off all water systems and unplug main water. Now release some pressure off of the waterlines inside at the kitchen. Now go back outside to the connection and force the hose into the connection. If it still doesn’t go in, take a screwdriver and tap the the screwdriver into the hole to release the pressure and try to attach the hose again. Good luck!
Get some Goodyear Endurance and then look and feel the weight difference and the thickness difference in the two. You will be amazed at how much better built the Goodyear's are built.
We just purchased our GDI xls travel trailer and during our walk through phase we had the dealer to change out the outdoor water spiket until they found 1 that fit. We love our new addition.
I've got a 2018 2800BH at about 7200lbs loaded behind my 2017 F350 gas 6.2L (3:73). The 150 eco would be fine, maybe even better pulling, but braking downhill we felt pushing in my buddies 150 so we went with the 350 to get the heavy duty brakes and suspension. I've never felt like I was being pushed at all.
Very frustrating with making a decision on the towing rig with RVs like this. A 3/4 ton would be much more comfortable. However, if you are going to get a 3/4 ton, why not get a larger trailer. The 28-30 foot range is kind of a losing situation regardless of the tow rig you get. Either you are underpowered or you have too much excess power (= waste). For me, I would get the 3/4 ton, but go for the 31 grand design trailer.
Nothing wrong with an overkill tow rig! I have a 3/4 Gasser and I'm looking at the 2600RB. Buuut I currently have a 21 footer and yeah I'd agree with it not matching my truck. Sure is nice not really feeling the trailer back there though
I wonder why JD put in the title about too heavy? Almost all modern half tons can tow a 6k dry trailer. It's certainly at the heavy end of what most folks recommend for a 'normal' half ton, but as the new owner of a 34' 6k dry trailer pulling with a 5.3 4x4 standard bed WT trim truck with HD tow package it's been completely fine towing it 1,500 miles from Ohio to the Florida Keys. I did spring for the Equalizer hitch, which keeps it under control in the wind.
I think Grand design costs more than some and are supposed to have a reputation for being a good trailer. But if I was the CEO and saw this video I would definitely want more quality control at the manufacturing point. There is no reason why the trim should be falling off other than shoddy work. I'm not dissing your trailer because I know things happen. Thanks for the video wishing you well.
we've got the 2020 2500RK (very similar design, weight, & length minus the bunks) and ours is falling apart even worse than his... we've only used it a few times and never had it out of our possession (no rentals) so I don't think this is the exception, more than likely the rule. GD is as crappy as the rest.
I wouldn’t wait on replacing those tires... Had a friend rent a similar trailer and blew one of the tires in the middle of WY. Trashed the floor and dinette and cost $6k to repair.
Got a set of Goodyear Endurance coming before the next season starts! That being said, these tires have held up well over 11K miles. I have heard horror stories, but I've also heard a lot of people say that they have also driven well over 10K with Westlakes. Luck of the draw?
We have a 2021 GD Imagine XLS 22RBE and the barn doors for the bedroom and bathroom are not held open with that flimsy snap strap that you have. They are held open with a stretchy rope-like thing that attaches to a hook on the door (best way I can describe it). No issues with the door moving while in transit. My husband did have to make adjustments to the door handle/strike plate on the exterior door so we did not have to slam it to get it to close properly. Now, we can gently push on the door and it closes like it should.
I would really be careful with payload so as not to exceed TV GVWR, GCVWR (when hitched), and/ or your TV and Trailer Axle Weight Ratios. Did you get this thing on a CAT scale? You might be surprised at what you find. Also, you might want to check your pin or tongue weight of the trailer when fully loaded. Just a note of caution.
Suggest you do some research regarding the various tow ratings. A trucks' published tow capacity is meaningless in the 1/2 ton world. It's calculated based on towing a flat trailer loaded with cinder blocks.....not pulling a 30' sail of a travel trailer. For 1/2 ton's it's all about payload capacity, followed by axle ratings. To determine your actual payload it's always best to CAT scale the truck and subtract it from truck's GVWR. However, as a base, use the yellow/white payload sticker (cargo carrying capacity) listed on the on the driver door pillar. Trailer tongue weight (13% of trailer GVWR) + hitch + all passengers and cargo in the truck cannot exceed sticker payload.
The Grand Design Imagines are mostly half ton towable. Some are even 1/4 ton towable. That whole is made pretty cheap. Their Reflection travel trailers are mostly 3/4 ton towable. My experience owning one of their Reflection 5/th wheels is that they are 1 ton SRW towable--I honestly believe they might underestimate their dry tongue weights. I towed my 5th wheel with a 3/4 ton for a while, and definitely wished for 1 ton truck...
Grand Design trailers are not poorly put together trailers. There usually either first or second in reality, quality, and design next to the airstream (check the ratings the last few years.) Me and my wife bought a 2020 2250rk and tow it with my 2019 raptor. We've had it just over two years and no major problems, a few things here and there but we all have too remember these trailers are houses on wheels. Everytime you take it out driving down a road something could happen. That's why it's very important to stay on top of maintaining your trailer. You said you've taken already 11000 miles in 7 months? That's a lot driving in a short period of time. Grand Design does multiple of checks during, before and after it reaches its destination too be sold.
J. D. Was asking in another video about what constitutes people labeling various RVs or RVs as junk. I think in this video Mat gives a pretty good example of where the junk label comes from. I myself would be strongly tempted to place this trailer in the junk, do not purchase category because of its in service issues. This Grand Design overall is a well thought out layout and has a number of nice touches. But it has a fairly high number of defects which generally can annoy the patience and satisfaction level of the ownership experience for the purchaser/owner/user. Things such as the all too common failings of the strip molding, the failure of the shower wall, the cabinetry pulling apart and the sub optimal performance of a number of items like the sliding door to the master suite, (guide failure, roller track failure), the rapid deterioration of the sink cover, the problems with the stove. I know that this trailer is being used as a rental and rental service is generally harder on the units for wear and tear, but the failures of the components illustrated in this video is nothing new. These are very very common problems. Especially with the moldings and cabinetry and shower stall paneling failure. This has been happening for a very, very long time across the market and the industry for some reason has failed to come up with and implement any good solutions. It’s exactly these failures, which continue to happen, even on higher price point RV units which lead to the labeling of RVs like this one as junk. J. D., as a long time user and RV advocate, may have become complacent on these defects, but for someone such as me, I am more interested in these failings verses the upgraded dual axle suspension components or whether it has incandescent vs LED tail lights or the fancy external radio speakers, outside kitchens and and the like. I am more interested in the trailer not constantly coming apart or leaking or breaking in some way. I noticed this trailer was being compared to the Mallard he also owns and was renting out. I suspect the overall ownership satisfaction level with the Mallard is a lot higher than this trailer, and may have a significant role in the future for the next trailer purchase.
Don't bother with this video. Deceptive title. It has nothing to do about "Towing" it is basically just a tour of the RV. Why not title tour of Grand Design RV?
We really liked the look of grand design and options, but Flagstaff ended up winning because of no leaf springs and grand design was overpriced for no edgeless windows and so many complaints on stuff falling apart. But i do wish others made that command center for battery switch in the front.
For your water port, it my be just stuck. Try a flat punch or something similar to push in on it to break it free. Mine had the same issue because it was never used and the brass seems to seize up.
I can't speak from experience on the quality of GD trailers, but it seems unfair to put a lot of stock in his reciew being it gets rented out. You can bet renters are not going to be easy on the equipment...
It seems anything over 8k you think is too heavy for a half ton! My dad has been an owner opererator since he was 19 and I've also had my Class A CDL sine I was 23 I'm 35. All half tons are capable of towing this trailer. And most newer ones are capable over 10k mine 12,300. If you know the capabilities of your truck and know what your hauling have the proper equipment I'd tow a 12,300 trailer with my truck everyday!
Really depends on actual weight of people, cargo and trailer; and capacities listed on the truck's sticker. For the two of us with our 2018 Sierra 1/2 ton and Imagine 2600RB, we have a 15% margin on GCWR and feel comfortable in all situations. If there were more people & cargo involved, I would move to 3/4 ton or better.
Outdoor kitchen should be metal and you won't get water damage - I hope Grand Design is watching because you have a nice product so why not make it a fantastic product?
We have a Grand Design, and have none of these issues. The trailer felt more solid than just about any other brand we walked through. Seems like a lot of this is damage from rental abuse, wear and tear.
Can't argue that rentals accelerate the wear and tear. That being said, most of these issues happened right away and before the rental season became busy. Also, we've been renting out our Heartland Mallard for a lot longer that our Imagine and have not had the same number of issues with that. Luckily most of the issues in our Imagine were minor and easily fixable. I'm still a fan a Grand Design, just not ready to say they are far superior to what else is out there.
I opted to buy an East to West Alta 2800KBH. They have the 2600BH model that is the same layout. I found the main TV too high up toward the ceiling. The E2W has Two inch block insulated walls. All aluminum framing, including roof rafters. Azdel in the walls versus luan. And it's a couple of thousand cheaper. Anyone looking at Grand Design should consider East to West.
To each their own. I've been renting my camper out for 5 years and barely any damage. I have caused more damage than all renters. Still in great shape and the rent has way more than paid for the camper. I screen tenants well though and clean and inspect the heck out of it every time am positive that has made a huge difference.
The problem with renting a travel trailer is simply that you are allowing inexperienced folks, and, with the bunkhouse...kids, to use and operate a (regardless of brand or manufacturer), not particularly foolproof or indestructible product. Even a six-figure Airstream will wear down much sooner with too much traffic and activity inside. For best results and longevity, any craft should only have one very careful and passionate captain.
@@georgehelms9771 I guess from a perspective of a person that has actually rented out their camper tons of times, In practice, I couldn't disagree more with pretty much all of this. But that's ok, it's not for everyone. And probably better their isn't more people renting their camper, less competition for me.
I have the identical ‘21 Ram 1500 truck towing a nearly identical trailer (Shadow Cruiser 248 RKS) I also use the Blue Ox Sway Pro WDH which I’m very dissatisfied with. Way too much trailer sway. I watched TH-cam reviews of WDH’s and recently bought a WeighSafe WDH with hopes it eliminates the trailer sway. Wait and see as it hasn’t arrived yet
BTBRV, I have a 2017 Yukon Denali that tows 8000 lbs with payload of 1522 and I have the exact trailer (2020 GD Imagine 2400BH). I run a e4 weight distribution and sway system. I agree that 7500 lbs towing capacity or even my 8000 lbs is not ample. All loads are not equal and the trailer weight damn near as much or more than the truck. What is the most weight you feel you would be comfortable towing with a large SUV and a 8000 lbs tow rating? Curious because I am considering selling and downsizing to about 6000 lbs max trailer weight. Thank you!
Payload is the key starting point. A 7500 lbs max gross trailer weight could easily have 900-1000 lbs of torque weight leaving only 500-600 lbs for people and belongings. You probably want a trailer with no more than 5000-5500 lbs max gross trailer weight rating with your Denali.
Given the issues with the barn door, trim work and the bathroom that is not a good quality construction. I own a class C 2015 Winnebago Cambria, and comparing it to the Grand Design I can see my RV is better constructed. Our shower has the Nautilus shower door (original) and it still works. Then again we don’t rent out our RV, so we don’t have the wear and tear department.
If you have the 5.0 liter V8, it might not do too well in mountainous terrain. I just traded mine in for a F250 with the 7.3 liter V8 and the 10 spd tranny. It's a beast
The hose port on the far side. You have to have the water completely depreasurized or your not getting that hose on there. I hook mine up before we hook the water up. I have to use a flat head screw driver to get it back off.
My wife and I thought about renting out our 40' 5er. Thought about it for roughly 30 seconds... The conclusion we came to was Hell No. Actually my wife said if we rent it we'll never use it again for us. LOL... I guess trying to rent a 5er wouldn't go good anyway cause it's specialized vs a bumper pull travel trailer.
Hello. I just bought this truck (Silverado 1500 LT 2FL Turbomax, 4x4) about 4 weeks ago, this car is beautiful, good, strong engine. I want to buy an RV but I don't know if this vehicle can tow an RV or not? If so, what is the maximum weight of an RV? My Truck: Brand new 2024 Gvwr=7,000lbs. Gcwr=14,500lbs. Rgawr=38,000lbs. Maxpayload=1,966lbs. Curbweight=5,034lbs. Conventional TWR=9,000lbs. Max tongue weight=900lbs. Gooseneck TWR=8,900lbs. Max tongue weight=1,335lbs. Gawr FRT=3,800lbs. Gawr RR=3,800lbs. Tire size: FRT=RR=265/65R18 T. (rim 18x8.5J) SPA=265/70R17 S (rim 17x8J). Font=Rear=Spare=240 kPa, 35Psi. So, Can my truck (GVWR=7,000lbs) tow an RV/Trailer with a maximum load of 9,000lbs? If possible, please post more videos of the Silverado 1500 2.7l, 4-cylinder truck pulling an RV trailer. Thanks
THIS is why people say they are made cheap. The way you went on about "how are they cheap" made me think you're paid by the RV/Camper industry. Sure you can spend a HUGE amount of money and get better quality, but for the most part they all are made cheap.
My bedroom door keeps coming off the hinges 3 times already been fixed along with the pot drawer. I was hoping this was the last camper I was going to buy.
I PERSONALLY WISH...that ALL the RV manufacturers would show "slides in" floor plans with measurements!!!!! I'm a SF, being able to utilize every part of my vehicle is "CRITICALLY IMPORTANT" to me when I take a break without moving a slide!!! Am sure there are LOTS OF US who are now traveling without any significant "Others" who need accurate data so that we make decisions RELATING to our safety.
You guys are warriors. I won’t tow anything over 7-8000 lbs or over 30 ft with my F250. I want to enjoy the trip, not deathgrip the steering wheel every time semi passes me.
If you put a picture like you did in the thumbnail with the caption you did, the overwhelming response will be it’s too heavy. Most will tell you they wouldn’t tow more than a 24’ with a 4000 lb gvw with a 1/2 ton. A lot of these guys are 3/4 ton owners trying to justify their purchase.
I can safely tow that with no lack in power and I have a 2022 Chevy Colorado Z71. I have rear airbags and run the P3 anti sway hitch. I've pulled 31' over 7000 lbs a few times lol. The newer midsize trucks have pretty hefty weight limits and plenty of power. 7700 lbs towing over 2000 lbs payload and over 700 lbs tongue weight capability. With a few extra parts such as bags and a hitch mixed with the towing package Chevy has I have zero complaints!
By numbers, he is ok, by experience, you’re at the top of the combined weight rating, you’re wearing that truck out. A 3/4 ton gas rig would be the perfect truck for that trailer. You won’t wear it out as fast. 30 years in the service end of dealerships and mostly in farm country. You need a bigger truck!
I think you need to have the mindset that there will be a little damage after each rental. Hopefully not. I’ve contemplated buying a rig exclusively as a rental, but I’d get extremely upset if a renter damaged anything on my rig. I’d never refund the security/damage fees.
You are right, it's all about mindset. We knew going into this that the RV would get extra wear and tear and wouldn't be as pristine as if we were the only ones using it. We figured the pros still outweighed the cons as we are bringing in good extra income and will have the rig paid off in 2-3 years instead of 10 years.
Did you say your truck is a 2.7L. I have a 2017 f150 2.7lL pulling my Jayco 28'. My payload capacity is 1700lbs (not enough) even with an equilizer hitch. Motor will pull it though. What is your? Im looking at a 3.5L ecoboost with the max tow package. Closer to 2,500L payload.
He said he has the 2.7 and that his max towing is 7500 lbs, but nothing about payload which is unfortunate. I wouldn’t think it would be as high as yours though. He also said the gross trailer weight was like 7400 lbs. Seems like an accident waiting to happen.
I have a 2018 F-150 and the payload sticker is 1694. I'm pulling a Grand Design 2800BH (32' Long) using a ProPride Hitch and my weights are good. What is your hitch weight?
@@scottschermerhorn7040 we just purchased a Grand Design 2800BH ourselves, towing with a 2020 Expedition Max, rated for 9000lbs tow and 1715 lbs payload. sounds like you had no issues with your F150, I am still on the wall but my weights...we went with an Equalizer wdh.....just curious to read others' comments but like a lot of things, you don't know until you get going
You must have purchased it outright as most lenders don't approve of renting out RV's they have financed also insurance companies will balk as well if they find its being rented, how do you get around those two issues or do you just not tell them and hope nothing happens.
I did not get approval to rent before I got the loan. At this point, as long as they are getting their payments, they are happy, and I think I'm ok. I did call my insurance company and get their approval however. Did not want to get dropped!
You'd likely be just fine, this video screams wear and tear all over it. I was a Property Manager for years, I don't care how much he states that certain problems weren't tenant issues, I promise you that the renters treated those RV's just like people treat rental cars and hotel rooms. In general all RV's have small issues during their first year of ownership, if you go Jayco, that will likely have issues too. The biggest plus of going with a Grand Design is the trust and reputation they have garnered within the RV world for honoring their warranties without making the customer jump through hoops to get service. Jayco has a good reputation as well I believe although I'm not as familiar with their service record. They are certainly large enough not to nickel and dime their customers to death.
@@genesishep Thank you. We did have a few problems in the beginning and Jayco fixed them quickly. We are. Really liking the grand design and are still looking.
Thanks for sharing. This was one model that has been on my radar for the past few months as a potential upgrade so what you documented has been really helpful. @BTBRV it almost feels like the RV industry is a messy mix between housing developers who sub out their work to the lowest bidder and auto (typically but not always used) dealerships who do whatever it takes to challenge your warranty claims. I'd enjoy/appreciate a video on what consumers like me could do/say/advocate/ask for on the frontside of a transaction, to make sure that the purchase doesn't bite us on the backside ... of the transaction. Great stuff as always brother. Keep well, stay safe and happy holidays! I hope that 2021 is awesome for you, especially because of the content that you provide (and share).
I would also like to see a similar review of the Mallard RV. It seems as Mat likes the Grand Design better for his use than the Mallard, but the Mallard is holding up better in service. (Found the 1 year Mallard review over on the Drive North site.)
You summed it up perfectly. It's been a year since that Mallard review and we have had zero issues since! I'm hoping that hold true with the Imagine. Maybe we just needed that one season to get all the bugs worked out.
Get a weight ticket and check ur axle weights. I tow with my F150 but with 5 people, 5 bikes and the travel trailer tongue weight my rear axle is 50lbs over rating. Check ur weights.
We took it to a CAT scale last summer fully loaded with 5 passengers, bikes, gear etc. We were 10lbs over rear axle rating. We've since lightened the load a bit when we go out. I agree with most comments that a 3/4 ton would be ideal, but we still have 10 months on a lease, so we have to make this work. Got me eye on a F-250 though!
This person is using his trailer for income generation/commercial purposes and complaining about how a unit built for personal use is holding up under commercial use situations. The items he mentions are all minor/common issues you see in all units across the industry. Very few units have no problems during the first year of operation, in fact most do have minor issues with moulding etc. once they begin their journey traveling down the road. Ironically the biggest reason to go with a Grand Design unit is their warranty and willingness to stand behind their products and willingness to honor their customers warranty without making the process difficult for their customers. The reality is this person is using their RV in a manner that would and in my opinion SHOULD void his warranty, commercial use will lead to more frequent and more substantial wear and tear and is more likely to increase problems with abuse/misuse/lack of care when compared to a unit that is only utilized by the purchaser for personal use. Someone who utilizes their RV for commercial purposes will likely make more warranty claims and if done by more people this has a chance of deterring a manufacturer from offering more robust warranties for their products. If this type of use becomes more and more common it will eventually impact those of us who do not abuse the warranty because costs will skyrocket for the manufacturer. It will either result in lower term warranty coverage or higher sale costs to recoup the expense of covering these higher traffic units. I hope that manufacturers will offer or do offer commercial warranties for people who wish to use their RV's in this manner rather than pass along the costs to all of us as a means of offsetting the increased cost of honoring their warranties. That will still likely not work as most buyers will not be honest about the intended use for their RV's because commercial warranty options will be more expensive for all the reasons I stated above. I am all for freedom to use my property in the way I wish to use it but I also would not expect a manufacturer to cover my damages/losses if I use their product in a method that it was not intended for. I do not know how I feel a bout this in general because I believe in freedom of use, I just don't want someone else's freedoms to impact me down the line in a negative way.
hello me and my wife had our travel trailer totaled out,we have been looking at new trailers and found 2 one that is 27 ft and weighs 5400 lb is that too heavy for my Ford F-150 with tow package, we need to buy new trailer this weekend and would make sure we do everything right, our other trailer was only 5,000 lb
I’m with Micheal Wheelus, about the caption and I agree with the caption on the fact that I hope he never has a blowout on either the trailer or truck while towing because it takes a lot outta truck to keep it all safe and under control not to mention the stress it puts on the driver especially when he has his wife and kids in the truck with him all screaming. Been there and done that. And this guy keeps saying he hasn’t had to much wrong ether camper when at every corner of it he says something that has or is broken I’m sorry guy but if my camper was that new and everything had broken on it as you say has on yours I’d nearly call it a lemon or either you or the people you rent it out to are extremely rough on it
I have an Imagine 2500RL 2021 and my shower pull slide would not stay closed. There was too much tension. To fix your problem on the shower door, there's a screw at the top off the base that adjust the tension for the slide. I also experienced some of the same issued as you showed in your video. I have a question, what are the straps that you used to used to hang your scissor jack tool?
Good question. Being that we have 3 kids, we still need the the extra sleeping spot the dinette offers. We also like having a large table for playing cards etc. So, I'd still stick with dinette.
The American RV industry needs some foreign competition to force their quality standards up. I own a Grand Design 2600 RB, a great trailer. They all fall apart from brand new faster than an 80's Chrysler K-car though. I did tow it at first with a 2014 Ram 1500 rated at 13,600. It did the job "fine" for weekends here and there. That truck was replaced after a short time though, a half ton is too weak for any extended multi state, all weather travel.
If a vehicle can’t tow a trailer safely without a weight distribution hitch, then it simply can’t. WDH only make the ride better, but slightly destabilize the rig, that’s why always use WDH with a good sway control.
Can you talk about Hensley hitches on larger travel trailers? I think a lot of the half ton sway issues you speaks of is because of not using an anti sway hitch.
Most sway towing with 1/2 ton trucks is because 1) tires sidewall isn’t strong enough. 2) over correcting with weight distribution hitch. You corrected the squat, but it also lighten the tongue. WDH meant to correct a reasonable squat, it you over correct it, weight is not only redistributed to the vehicle front axle, but also trailer axles, which could make your tongue weight less than 12%.
Quite frankly, I don’t believe that these issues are from normal wear and tear! Considering that it has been a rental unit! A majority of the issues were caused by renters!
My experience as a rental property manager backs up your gut feeling on the matter. Tenants are rougher because ultimately they do not have to fit the bill long-term. Think of these as a hotel on wheels and how often have you personally seen or heard of damage done by prior guests? It's no different for these RV's, its actually more likely since RV's do need a bit more tender care than your average hotel room considering the lighter weight construction of some items.
I realize there are problems will all brands of trailers but to judge Grand Design by this video really isn’t fair. Renting out a house takes a toll on the house. Imagine the treatment of a trailer by renters. Unfair to Grand Design. We’re on our second Grand Design and don’t have trailers falling off hinges, trim falling off, etc.
WOW thanks for the review. I`ve been looking at the 25-28' toy hauler from these guys. But I kept thinking for the money they want this is pretty poorly put together. And knew there would be issues with them. I never liked the way the workmen looked from the 2 I looked at. I could see light through the corners of the slides there was problems with trim in the BRAND NEW UNITS I looked at. Along with rush, and not just surface rust either. All the dealer would say is oh they will see if they can take care of this. I really liked then but this on 2 brand new units at two different dealers. So I`m still shopping, but also thinking 40k-50k will pay for a lot of hotel rooms.
Guy they all are not worth the money for how there built but it is what it is, just like trucks noway in hell are they close to being worth 40 to 90 thousand dollars
I have too say Grand Designs are not poorly put together. You have too remember these trailers are rolling houses on wheels. Things are going too come loose and get damaged and you said you put about 11000 miles already on this trailer in such a short time that's a lot. Me and my wife bought a Imagi e 2250 rk and tow it with my 2019 raptor. We bought ours over two years and just had small issues.
I don't like the wheel set up . To much overhang in the rear . Just by looking at it don't look safe to pull in the wind . My opinion . Very nice looking trailer
Knowingly pulling overweight is a great way to pick up a manslaughter charge if you are involved in a serious accident. Knowingly means you tell everybody on TH-cam.
What are the (re)views on Carlisle brand tires? I figure if they are good enough for uhaul why not a personal trailer. I have a 2015 Wolf Pup 16BHS. With 14inch tires.
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A renter broke this, a renter broke that. Makes my mind up on renting out my travel trailer. Thanks for the honest review
Thank you. There is definitely more wear and tear with the rentals. But to be fair, most of the things I pointed out happened early on and were not the fault of renters.
I have a Grand Design Imagine XLS 22RBE and have towed it from Southern California to Wisconsin and back twice. Each round trip is 4500 miles and includes 2 mountain passes. I tow it with a 2020 Ford F-150 with a 3.5L Ecoboost using a WD hitch. The truck tows the camper and a family of 4 with no problem. Typical speed is 70 mph. Super important to spend some time and get the tongue weight set properly.
I like the disclaimer about towing...”most” half tons properly equipped wouldn’t have a problem towing this.
I have a Grand Design imagine 17MKE and towed it with my 2015 Silverado 1500 4x4 double cab 5.3l for 5,000 miles. Truck had 1750 payload and pulled the trailer okay. But start going up hills and it felt that I was working the truck a little too much.
Bought a 2019 Silverado 2500HD 4x4 double cab with the 6.0 l. Got over 7,000 miles now and there is a difference. Much more stable and while the power is close to same as my 2015, I know the truck is going to last for much longer.
No major issues with my trailer. I’d buy another one and probably will down the road.
Great videos!
I tow a 2600RB with a half ton (2018 F-150 V8) it tows it fine, although the factory tires are a bit weak in the sidewalls so you can a bit of sway.
I also highly recommend the rear cam.
We pull a 2400bh with a 2018 f150 v8. We replaced tires with BFG K02 E rated tires and added airlift 5000 air bags. These upgrades really stabilized the truck when towing. We also replaced standard mirrors with OEM tow mirrors. We keep the loaded weight of the trailer around 6500 lbs and we have good results towing our trailer. I will likely upgrade to a f250 if we decide to go full time and start towing over mountains on longer trips. We are currently empty nester weekend warriors in the
@@fedguy9182 Thank you for the information. Is your truck close to its payload capacity when towing at 6500 pounds? Just curious because i just ordered a 2400bh and i have 2016 f150 v8.
@@tjwrangler011 We have around 400 lbs of payload remaining. I need to go to the CAT scale again once we restock the trailer when we take it out after storage. I just upgraded to a Pro Pride 3P hitch so it may alter the payload a little but it is my understanding that the hitch geometry really minimizes the payload numbers as a significant portion of the hitch weight (200 lbs) transfers to the trailer. Our trailer is well below its GVWR. What is the payload sticker show for your particular truck? Our payload sticker is 1800 lbs with the truck GVWR of 7050 lbs
@@fedguy9182 that is good to know. Thank you. The payload in my truck is 1830 lbs and the GVWR is 7000 lbs. I need to upgrade my tires to E rated tires.
@@tjwrangler011 E rated tires will help but most important thing is dialing in the WD hitch so that the front end is within a 1/4 inch or so of the un hitched truck front end. Enjoy and stay safe.
We just got a 2021 Grand Design 2800BH and tow with a 2015 F-150 super crew 6.5’ 5.0L. Truck has 1971lbs payload capacity and 9100lbs towing capacity. Airlift airbags installed as well to stiffen up the rear. When fully loaded including people, dog, firewood, etc. we’re within our weight limits, and the Equalizer hitch controls things well. This trailer is actually a little lighter than our previous one, and better balanced as well. I won’t argue that a 3/4 ton truck would be ideal. 😀
We have the same trailer and rent ours out. It has come back in one piece, no interior damage like yours.
We tow ours with a 2017 Ramm 1500 Ecodiesel and we really dont need the equalizer hitch, but use it for safety reasons. We get around 15mph pulling our trailer out here in Utah with all the mountain passes and hills we go over. We love our Imagine 2400BH. Ours came with the 150 watt roof mounted solar panel and upgraded 6volt batteries. We put our 4000 watt generator in the front pass through storage. ITS HUGE.
We have a 2017 GD 297 RSTS and we love. I did extensive research on all brands and decided on GD based on many categories. Of course we have had some minor issue which we expected as well as the dreaded bearing issues which were covered under warranty. Personally, I would never rent out our rig, let alone allow anyone including family to borrow it. You just increase the chances of things braking on your rig. Not sure how anyone can vet any renter, especially prior towing experience and set up knowledge. We have put on several thousand miles on ours with not major issues. We did replace our china bombs tires and upgraded the suspension system (MoreRide). We tow our with our 2016 diesel Ford F-250 4X4.
How often do you grease your wheel bearing?
Great job showing the good and the bad.
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I have the 2019 28ft bunkhouse Grand Design Imagine and love it. Never had an issue. Will replace the tires next year though.
You’re towing with a half ton? I’m looking at the same trailer but have a 2017 Ford Expedition Platinum Max. Won’t be getting a bigger truck but can’t decide if I’d be ok pulling the GD2800BH
We have a 2020 grand design imagine 2400BH, and are from Central Minnesota. Overall we did have a few pieces of trim come loose or not installed properly, but they were very minor, one of our shades stopped retracting, And be careful not to put too much pressure on the bottom step of the ladder in back there's no support and it will bend. We had a similar issue with our shower sliding door, the dealers took care of it it, something down low came loose, seemed to be a simple fix, and has worked perfectly ever since.
Overall though I've been very happy we've had our unit for a little over a year now, our dealer, and Grand design have been excellent to deal with. We also tow with a 2018 F-150 with a 3-5 EcoBoost long box crew cab, I opted to go with a propride hitch, which I find to help in extreme wind scenarios when we go on several thousand miles trips. Personally as of right now I wouldn't even consider another RV manufacturer, I love our grand design!
Just a thought.... if those issues were minor, then why hasn’t manufacturing done something to eliminate them? Poor quality is not an accident, it is a choice!
We have the 2019 model and love it. We replaced the dinette with a pair of recliners since we try to eat outside as much as possible. Love the storage, fresh and waste tank capacities and the utility center in the pass through. Sorry you’ve experienced some quality issues - Grand Design I’m sure will stand behind their product. We tow the 2400BH with our Ram Ecodiesel 1/2 ton and have never felt the truck was overmatched.
Overall the issues were minor and we are still happy with it. Our 1/2 ton doesn't feel overmatched at all either, but our lease is up this year and we are looking at getting a F-250.
Hi there. We own a GD 2670 mk and also had a very difficult time with the water hose near the outdoor kitchen. I hopped on the GD FB sites and found the solution. Turn off all water systems and unplug main water. Now release some pressure off of the waterlines inside at the kitchen. Now go back outside to the connection and force the hose into the connection. If it still doesn’t go in, take a screwdriver and tap the the screwdriver into the hole to release the pressure and try to attach the hose again. Good luck!
Good to know, thanks.
Get some Goodyear Endurance and then look and feel the weight difference and the thickness difference in the two. You will be amazed at how much better built the Goodyear's are built.
Got a set coming for next season!
Goodyear E durance is the way to go.
We just purchased our GDI xls travel trailer and during our walk through phase we had the dealer to change out the outdoor water spiket until they found 1 that fit. We love our new addition.
Manual Jack's that rough.! So glad they fixed alot on my 2021
I've got a 2018 2800BH at about 7200lbs loaded behind my 2017 F350 gas 6.2L (3:73). The 150 eco would be fine, maybe even better pulling, but braking downhill we felt pushing in my buddies 150 so we went with the 350 to get the heavy duty brakes and suspension. I've never felt like I was being pushed at all.
So, the caption says, ‘too heavy?’, but the video doesn’t really talk about that (only some text). I’ve been tricked.
Very frustrating with making a decision on the towing rig with RVs like this. A 3/4 ton would be much more comfortable. However, if you are going to get a 3/4 ton, why not get a larger trailer. The 28-30 foot range is kind of a losing situation regardless of the tow rig you get. Either you are underpowered or you have too much excess power (= waste). For me, I would get the 3/4 ton, but go for the 31 grand design trailer.
Nothing wrong with an overkill tow rig! I have a 3/4 Gasser and I'm looking at the 2600RB. Buuut I currently have a 21 footer and yeah I'd agree with it not matching my truck. Sure is nice not really feeling the trailer back there though
I really like this travel trailer. It’s nice. Nice it has bunks for the kids. Like the floor plan. Thank you for showing this travel trailer.
I wonder why JD put in the title about too heavy? Almost all modern half tons can tow a 6k dry trailer. It's certainly at the heavy end of what most folks recommend for a 'normal' half ton, but as the new owner of a 34' 6k dry trailer pulling with a 5.3 4x4 standard bed WT trim truck with HD tow package it's been completely fine towing it 1,500 miles from Ohio to the Florida Keys. I did spring for the Equalizer hitch, which keeps it under control in the wind.
I think Grand design costs more than some and are supposed to have a reputation for being a good trailer. But if I was the CEO and saw this video I would definitely want more quality control at the manufacturing point. There is no reason why the trim should be falling off other than shoddy work. I'm not dissing your trailer because I know things happen. Thanks for the video wishing you well.
we've got the 2020 2500RK (very similar design, weight, & length minus the bunks) and ours is falling apart even worse than his... we've only used it a few times and never had it out of our possession (no rentals) so I don't think this is the exception, more than likely the rule. GD is as crappy as the rest.
The CEO is paid to produce profits, not quality products.
The spray handle that’s hard to connect might be because water pressure. Try connecting with zero pressure. Just a thought.
I wouldn’t wait on replacing those tires... Had a friend rent a similar trailer and blew one of the tires in the middle of WY. Trashed the floor and dinette and cost $6k to repair.
Got a set of Goodyear Endurance coming before the next season starts! That being said, these tires have held up well over 11K miles. I have heard horror stories, but I've also heard a lot of people say that they have also driven well over 10K with Westlakes. Luck of the draw?
@@DriveNorth Not the draw you'd want to play.
We have a 2021 GD Imagine XLS 22RBE and the barn doors for the bedroom and bathroom are not held open with that flimsy snap strap that you have. They are held open with a stretchy rope-like thing that attaches to a hook on the door (best way I can describe it). No issues with the door moving while in transit. My husband did have to make adjustments to the door handle/strike plate on the exterior door so we did not have to slam it to get it to close properly. Now, we can gently push on the door and it closes like it should.
I would really be careful with payload so as not to exceed TV GVWR, GCVWR (when hitched), and/ or your TV and Trailer Axle Weight Ratios. Did you get this thing on a CAT scale? You might be surprised at what you find. Also, you might want to check your pin or tongue weight of the trailer when fully loaded. Just a note of caution.
I agree. A F150 can get a little puny quick. Those tires need to go ASAP.
Suggest you do some research regarding the various tow ratings. A trucks' published tow capacity is meaningless in the 1/2 ton world. It's calculated based on towing a flat trailer loaded with cinder blocks.....not pulling a 30' sail of a travel trailer.
For 1/2 ton's it's all about payload capacity, followed by axle ratings. To determine your actual payload it's always best to CAT scale the truck and subtract it from truck's GVWR. However, as a base, use the yellow/white payload sticker (cargo carrying capacity) listed on the on the driver door pillar. Trailer tongue weight (13% of trailer GVWR) + hitch + all passengers and cargo in the truck cannot exceed sticker payload.
The Grand Design Imagines are mostly half ton towable. Some are even 1/4 ton towable. That whole is made pretty cheap. Their Reflection travel trailers are mostly 3/4 ton towable. My experience owning one of their Reflection 5/th wheels is that they are 1 ton SRW towable--I honestly believe they might underestimate their dry tongue weights. I towed my 5th wheel with a 3/4 ton for a while, and definitely wished for 1 ton truck...
Weigh your rig and talk with your insurance co. If you have an accident, some insurance companies will deny the claim.
I’ve seen them with loose trim brand new at the RV show.
Grand Design trailers are not poorly put together trailers. There usually either first or second in reality, quality, and design next to the airstream (check the ratings the last few years.) Me and my wife bought a 2020 2250rk and tow it with my 2019 raptor. We've had it just over two years and no major problems, a few things here and there but we all have too remember these trailers are houses on wheels. Everytime you take it out driving down a road something could happen. That's why it's very important to stay on top of maintaining your trailer. You said you've taken already 11000 miles in 7 months? That's a lot driving in a short period of time. Grand Design does multiple of checks during, before and after it reaches its destination too be sold.
I pull a 27 ft Coachman Spirit with my 16 1/2ton Ram with a weight dist hitch. Does fine so far.
We bought a grand design 2670mk in 2018, and we had the same build issues. We sold it and are buying an Arctic fox this weekend.
We are also considering an Artic Fox for our next rig. Well worth the extra money from what I've researched.
Check out East to West, a subsidiary of Forest River owned by the daughter of FR CEO. Very good specs
J. D. Was asking in another video about what constitutes people labeling various RVs or RVs as junk. I think in this video Mat gives a pretty good example of where the junk label comes from. I myself would be strongly tempted to place this trailer in the junk, do not purchase category because of its in service issues. This Grand Design overall is a well thought out layout and has a number of nice touches. But it has a fairly high number of defects which generally can annoy the patience and satisfaction level of the ownership experience for the purchaser/owner/user. Things such as the all too common failings of the strip molding, the failure of the shower wall, the cabinetry pulling apart and the sub optimal performance of a number of items like the sliding door to the master suite, (guide failure, roller track failure), the rapid deterioration of the sink cover, the problems with the stove. I know that this trailer is being used as a rental and rental service is generally harder on the units for wear and tear, but the failures of the components illustrated in this video is nothing new. These are very very common problems. Especially with the moldings and cabinetry and shower stall paneling failure. This has been happening for a very, very long time across the market and the industry for some reason has failed to come up with and implement any good solutions. It’s exactly these failures, which continue to happen, even on higher price point RV units which lead to the labeling of RVs like this one as junk. J. D., as a long time user and RV advocate, may have become complacent on these defects, but for someone such as me, I am more interested in these failings verses the upgraded dual axle suspension components or whether it has incandescent vs LED tail lights or the fancy external radio speakers, outside kitchens and and the like. I am more interested in the trailer not constantly coming apart or leaking or breaking in some way. I noticed this trailer was being compared to the Mallard he also owns and was renting out. I suspect the overall ownership satisfaction level with the Mallard is a lot higher than this trailer, and may have a significant role in the future for the next trailer purchase.
Don't bother with this video. Deceptive title. It has nothing to do about "Towing" it is basically just a tour of the RV.
Why not title tour of Grand Design RV?
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Just another video saying NOT to tow with a 1/2 ton truck... 1/2 ton owners get it by now, shouldn’t have anything other than a popup😳🤪
We really liked the look of grand design and options, but Flagstaff ended up winning because of no leaf springs and grand design was overpriced for no edgeless windows and so many complaints on stuff falling apart. But i do wish others made that command center for battery switch in the front.
For your water port, it my be just stuck. Try a flat punch or something similar to push in on it to break it free. Mine had the same issue because it was never used and the brass seems to seize up.
Brilliant business model. Having other people create content for your channel. I'm being sincere. Cheers!
I can't speak from experience on the quality of GD trailers, but it seems unfair to put a lot of stock in his reciew being it gets rented out. You can bet renters are not going to be easy on the equipment...
It seems anything over 8k you think is too heavy for a half ton! My dad has been an owner opererator since he was 19 and I've also had my Class A CDL sine I was 23 I'm 35. All half tons are capable of towing this trailer. And most newer ones are capable over 10k mine 12,300. If you know the capabilities of your truck and know what your hauling have the proper equipment I'd tow a 12,300 trailer with my truck everyday!
Jayco has been the best camper I've had so far , I should have kept my last one .
Really depends on actual weight of people, cargo and trailer; and capacities listed on the truck's sticker. For the two of us with our 2018 Sierra 1/2 ton and Imagine 2600RB, we have a 15% margin on GCWR and feel comfortable in all situations. If there were more people & cargo involved, I would move to 3/4 ton or better.
Outdoor kitchen should be metal and you won't get water damage - I hope Grand Design is watching because you have a nice product so why not make it a fantastic product?
We have a Grand Design, and have none of these issues. The trailer felt more solid than just about any other brand we walked through. Seems like a lot of this is damage from rental abuse, wear and tear.
Can't argue that rentals accelerate the wear and tear. That being said, most of these issues happened right away and before the rental season became busy. Also, we've been renting out our Heartland Mallard for a lot longer that our Imagine and have not had the same number of issues with that. Luckily most of the issues in our Imagine were minor and easily fixable. I'm still a fan a Grand Design, just not ready to say they are far superior to what else is out there.
I opted to buy an East to West Alta 2800KBH. They have the 2600BH model that is the same layout. I found the main TV too high up toward the ceiling. The E2W has Two inch block insulated walls. All aluminum framing, including roof rafters. Azdel in the walls versus luan. And it's a couple of thousand cheaper. Anyone looking at Grand Design should consider East to West.
I just got the 3150KBH it’s so nice
I'd never rent out my 2020 Imagine. To each thier own but that's a sure fire way to destroy the trailer quickly
To each their own. I've been renting my camper out for 5 years and barely any damage. I have caused more damage than all renters. Still in great shape and the rent has way more than paid for the camper. I screen tenants well though and clean and inspect the heck out of it every time am positive that has made a huge difference.
The problem with renting a travel trailer is simply that you are allowing inexperienced folks, and, with the bunkhouse...kids, to use and operate a (regardless of brand or manufacturer), not particularly foolproof or indestructible product. Even a six-figure Airstream will wear down much sooner with too much traffic and activity inside. For best results and longevity, any craft should only have one very careful and passionate captain.
@@georgehelms9771 I guess from a perspective of a person that has actually rented out their camper tons of times, In practice, I couldn't disagree more with pretty much all of this. But that's ok, it's not for everyone. And probably better their isn't more people renting their camper, less competition for me.
I have the identical ‘21 Ram 1500 truck towing a nearly identical trailer (Shadow Cruiser 248 RKS) I also use the Blue Ox Sway Pro WDH which I’m very dissatisfied with. Way too much trailer sway. I watched TH-cam reviews of WDH’s and recently bought a WeighSafe WDH with hopes it eliminates the trailer sway. Wait and see as it hasn’t arrived yet
BTBRV, I have a 2017 Yukon Denali that tows 8000 lbs with payload of 1522 and I have the exact trailer (2020 GD Imagine 2400BH). I run a e4 weight distribution and sway system. I agree that 7500 lbs towing capacity or even my 8000 lbs is not ample. All loads are not equal and the trailer weight damn near as much or more than the truck. What is the most weight you feel you would be comfortable towing with a large SUV and a 8000 lbs tow rating? Curious because I am considering selling and downsizing to about 6000 lbs max trailer weight. Thank you!
Payload is the key starting point. A 7500 lbs max gross trailer weight could easily have 900-1000 lbs of torque weight leaving only 500-600 lbs for people and belongings. You probably want a trailer with no more than 5000-5500 lbs max gross trailer weight rating with your Denali.
Given the issues with the barn door, trim work and the bathroom that is not a good quality construction. I own a class C 2015 Winnebago Cambria, and comparing it to the Grand Design I can see my RV is better constructed. Our shower has the Nautilus shower door (original) and it still works. Then again we don’t rent out our RV, so we don’t have the wear and tear department.
Grand Design is made by Winnebago
I tow a camper of similar size with a F150 w/v8 and haven't had any issues.
If you have the 5.0 liter V8, it might not do too well in mountainous terrain. I just traded mine in for a F250 with the 7.3 liter V8 and the 10 spd tranny. It's a beast
@@GiftHorse123 If I didn't have to use my truck as a daily driver, I would take a harder look at that 7.3L .
My tundra handles my 7000 pound 33 foot grand design just fine. Towed through the Appalachian mountains with no problem.
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What model Grand Design? Is 7,000 dry weight?
@@danmac1827 2670MK. Mine is a 2021. Dry weight on my particular one is like 7001. 33 feet tongue to bumper
The hose port on the far side. You have to have the water completely depreasurized or your not getting that hose on there. I hook mine up before we hook the water up. I have to use a flat head screw driver to get it back off.
My wife and I thought about renting out our 40' 5er. Thought about it for roughly 30 seconds... The conclusion we came to was Hell No. Actually my wife said if we rent it we'll never use it again for us. LOL... I guess trying to rent a 5er wouldn't go good anyway cause it's specialized vs a bumper pull travel trailer.
Nice rig. I have a Mallard M260.
Hello.
I just bought this truck (Silverado 1500 LT 2FL Turbomax, 4x4) about 4 weeks ago, this car is beautiful, good, strong engine. I want to buy an RV but I don't know if this vehicle can tow an RV or not? If so, what is the maximum weight of an RV?
My Truck: Brand new 2024
Gvwr=7,000lbs.
Gcwr=14,500lbs.
Rgawr=38,000lbs.
Maxpayload=1,966lbs.
Curbweight=5,034lbs.
Conventional TWR=9,000lbs.
Max tongue weight=900lbs.
Gooseneck TWR=8,900lbs.
Max tongue weight=1,335lbs.
Gawr FRT=3,800lbs.
Gawr RR=3,800lbs.
Tire size:
FRT=RR=265/65R18 T. (rim 18x8.5J) SPA=265/70R17 S (rim 17x8J). Font=Rear=Spare=240 kPa, 35Psi.
So, Can my truck (GVWR=7,000lbs) tow an RV/Trailer with a maximum load of 9,000lbs?
If possible, please post more videos of the Silverado 1500 2.7l, 4-cylinder truck pulling an RV trailer.
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THIS is why people say they are made cheap. The way you went on about "how are they cheap" made me think you're paid by the RV/Camper industry. Sure you can spend a HUGE amount of money and get better quality, but for the most part they all are made cheap.
Yep. Just an industry built on polishing turds.
My bedroom door keeps coming off the hinges 3 times already been fixed along with the pot drawer. I was hoping this was the last camper I was going to buy.
9:21 it appears your door seal is bent. That can be the reason the wood is like that from water getting in.
I PERSONALLY WISH...that ALL the RV manufacturers would show "slides in"
floor plans with measurements!!!!! I'm a SF, being able to utilize every
part of my vehicle is "CRITICALLY IMPORTANT" to me when I take a break
without moving a slide!!! Am sure there are LOTS OF US who are now
traveling without any significant "Others" who need accurate data so
that we make decisions RELATING to our safety.
Miss.... get a .357 self defense is the original human right
You guys are warriors. I won’t tow anything over 7-8000 lbs or over 30 ft with my F250. I want to enjoy the trip, not deathgrip the steering wheel every time semi passes me.
So we not going to discuss the two dents in the front
Good eye. A renter did that. They paid for a new rock guard, but we are waiting until we are ready to sell before putting it on.
If you put a picture like you did in the thumbnail with the caption you did, the overwhelming response will be it’s too heavy. Most will tell you they wouldn’t tow more than a 24’ with a 4000 lb gvw with a 1/2 ton. A lot of these guys are 3/4 ton owners trying to justify their purchase.
I can safely tow that with no lack in power and I have a 2022 Chevy Colorado Z71. I have rear airbags and run the P3 anti sway hitch. I've pulled 31' over 7000 lbs a few times lol. The newer midsize trucks have pretty hefty weight limits and plenty of power. 7700 lbs towing over 2000 lbs payload and over 700 lbs tongue weight capability. With a few extra parts such as bags and a hitch mixed with the towing package Chevy has I have zero complaints!
Other than everything falling apart it seems like a decent travel trailer. A few tubes of construction adhesive ought to fix'er right up!
And duct tape
By numbers, he is ok, by experience, you’re at the top of the combined weight rating, you’re wearing that truck out. A 3/4 ton gas rig would be the perfect truck for that trailer. You won’t wear it out as fast. 30 years in the service end of dealerships and mostly in farm country. You need a bigger truck!
I’m guessing the “water” connection by the outside kitchen is remote propane connector
I think you need to have the mindset that there will be a little damage after each rental. Hopefully not. I’ve contemplated buying a rig exclusively as a rental, but I’d get extremely upset if a renter damaged anything on my rig. I’d never refund the security/damage fees.
You are right, it's all about mindset. We knew going into this that the RV would get extra wear and tear and wouldn't be as pristine as if we were the only ones using it. We figured the pros still outweighed the cons as we are bringing in good extra income and will have the rig paid off in 2-3 years instead of 10 years.
Did you say your truck is a 2.7L. I have a 2017 f150 2.7lL pulling my Jayco 28'. My payload capacity is 1700lbs (not enough) even with an equilizer hitch. Motor will pull it though. What is your? Im looking at a 3.5L ecoboost with the max tow package. Closer to 2,500L payload.
He said he has the 2.7 and that his max towing is 7500 lbs, but nothing about payload which is unfortunate. I wouldn’t think it would be as high as yours though. He also said the gross trailer weight was like 7400 lbs. Seems like an accident waiting to happen.
I have a 2018 F-150 and the payload sticker is 1694. I'm pulling a Grand Design 2800BH (32' Long) using a ProPride Hitch and my weights are good. What is your hitch weight?
@@scottschermerhorn7040 we just purchased a Grand Design 2800BH ourselves, towing with a 2020 Expedition Max, rated for 9000lbs tow and 1715 lbs payload. sounds like you had no issues with your F150, I am still on the wall but my weights...we went with an Equalizer wdh.....just curious to read others' comments but like a lot of things, you don't know until you get going
sounds like people are just rough on it. looks great to me
You must have purchased it outright as most lenders don't approve of renting out RV's they have financed also insurance companies will balk as well if they find its being rented, how do you get around those two issues or do you just not tell them and hope nothing happens.
I did not get approval to rent before I got the loan. At this point, as long as they are getting their payments, they are happy, and I think I'm ok. I did call my insurance company and get their approval however. Did not want to get dropped!
We have a Jayco xj213 and was thinking about going for the grand design. Hmm 🤔 maybe we should keep looking.
You'd likely be just fine, this video screams wear and tear all over it. I was a Property Manager for years, I don't care how much he states that certain problems weren't tenant issues, I promise you that the renters treated those RV's just like people treat rental cars and hotel rooms.
In general all RV's have small issues during their first year of ownership, if you go Jayco, that will likely have issues too. The biggest plus of going with a Grand Design is the trust and reputation they have garnered within the RV world for honoring their warranties without making the customer jump through hoops to get service. Jayco has a good reputation as well I believe although I'm not as familiar with their service record. They are certainly large enough not to nickel and dime their customers to death.
@@genesishep Thank you. We did have a few problems in the beginning and Jayco fixed them quickly. We are. Really liking the grand design and are still looking.
Thanks for sharing. This was one model that has been on my radar for the past few months as a potential upgrade so what you documented has been really helpful.
@BTBRV it almost feels like the RV industry is a messy mix between housing developers who sub out their work to the lowest bidder and auto (typically but not always used) dealerships who do whatever it takes to challenge your warranty claims. I'd enjoy/appreciate a video on what consumers like me could do/say/advocate/ask for on the frontside of a transaction, to make sure that the purchase doesn't bite us on the backside ... of the transaction. Great stuff as always brother. Keep well, stay safe and happy holidays! I hope that 2021 is awesome for you, especially because of the content that you provide (and share).
I would also like to see a similar review of the Mallard RV. It seems as Mat likes the Grand Design better for his use than the Mallard, but the Mallard is holding up better in service. (Found the 1 year Mallard review over on the Drive North site.)
You summed it up perfectly. It's been a year since that Mallard review and we have had zero issues since! I'm hoping that hold true with the Imagine. Maybe we just needed that one season to get all the bugs worked out.
Great information much appreciated.
Thanks!
Get a weight ticket and check ur axle weights. I tow with my F150 but with 5 people, 5 bikes and the travel trailer tongue weight my rear axle is 50lbs over rating. Check ur weights.
We took it to a CAT scale last summer fully loaded with 5 passengers, bikes, gear etc. We were 10lbs over rear axle rating. We've since lightened the load a bit when we go out. I agree with most comments that a 3/4 ton would be ideal, but we still have 10 months on a lease, so we have to make this work. Got me eye on a F-250 though!
This person is using his trailer for income generation/commercial purposes and complaining about how a unit built for personal use is holding up under commercial use situations. The items he mentions are all minor/common issues you see in all units across the industry. Very few units have no problems during the first year of operation, in fact most do have minor issues with moulding etc. once they begin their journey traveling down the road. Ironically the biggest reason to go with a Grand Design unit is their warranty and willingness to stand behind their products and willingness to honor their customers warranty without making the process difficult for their customers. The reality is this person is using their RV in a manner that would and in my opinion SHOULD void his warranty, commercial use will lead to more frequent and more substantial wear and tear and is more likely to increase problems with abuse/misuse/lack of care when compared to a unit that is only utilized by the purchaser for personal use.
Someone who utilizes their RV for commercial purposes will likely make more warranty claims and if done by more people this has a chance of deterring a manufacturer from offering more robust warranties for their products. If this type of use becomes more and more common it will eventually impact those of us who do not abuse the warranty because costs will skyrocket for the manufacturer. It will either result in lower term warranty coverage or higher sale costs to recoup the expense of covering these higher traffic units. I hope that manufacturers will offer or do offer commercial warranties for people who wish to use their RV's in this manner rather than pass along the costs to all of us as a means of offsetting the increased cost of honoring their warranties. That will still likely not work as most buyers will not be honest about the intended use for their RV's because commercial warranty options will be more expensive for all the reasons I stated above.
I am all for freedom to use my property in the way I wish to use it but I also would not expect a manufacturer to cover my damages/losses if I use their product in a method that it was not intended for. I do not know how I feel a bout this in general because I believe in freedom of use, I just don't want someone else's freedoms to impact me down the line in a negative way.
.000008 % of travel trailers are rented out. Relax.
hello me and my wife had our travel trailer totaled out,we have been looking at new trailers and found 2 one that is 27 ft and weighs 5400 lb is that too heavy for my Ford F-150 with tow package, we need to buy new trailer this weekend and would make sure we do everything right, our other trailer was only 5,000 lb
If you had a choice between this and the image gd 3210. Which would you choose and why?
I’m with Micheal Wheelus, about the caption and I agree with the caption on the fact that I hope he never has a blowout on either the trailer or truck while towing because it takes a lot outta truck to keep it all safe and under control not to mention the stress it puts on the driver especially when he has his wife and kids in the truck with him all screaming. Been there and done that. And this guy keeps saying he hasn’t had to much wrong ether camper when at every corner of it he says something that has or is broken I’m sorry guy but if my camper was that new and everything had broken on it as you say has on yours I’d nearly call it a lemon or either you or the people you rent it out to are extremely rough on it
I have an Imagine 2500RL 2021 and my shower pull slide would not stay closed. There was too much tension. To fix your problem on the shower door, there's a screw at the top off the base that adjust the tension for the slide. I also experienced some of the same issued as you showed in your video. I have a question, what are the straps that you used to used to hang your scissor jack tool?
We had more issues with our Grand design than any unit we have owned. Grand Design was no help either.
Don’t ever let your finance or insurance company know you’re renting out your RV. Fast way to get dropped and in hot water with both.
How is that so long? My camper has the sofa too, along with queen master, and U shape dinette and bunks in the back and is only 31 feet .
Maxxis makes great trailer tires as well. They are a bit cheaper than Goodyears.
Yikes, for the price difference I'm glad I bought a Forest River Cherokee 26dbh, less issues so far for a lot less $$$.
Renters could destroy an anvil
If you had to buy another 2400BH, would you still choose the dinette or the theater seats? Optional on the 2400.
Good question. Being that we have 3 kids, we still need the the extra sleeping spot the dinette offers. We also like having a large table for playing cards etc. So, I'd still stick with dinette.
There are several minor issues on this rv, I counted several, maybe they can fix this with an updated model
The American RV industry needs some foreign competition to force their quality standards up. I own a Grand Design 2600 RB, a great trailer. They all fall apart from brand new faster than an 80's Chrysler K-car though. I did tow it at first with a 2014 Ram 1500 rated at 13,600. It did the job "fine" for weekends here and there. That truck was replaced after a short time though, a half ton is too weak for any extended multi state, all weather travel.
If a vehicle can’t tow a trailer safely without a weight distribution hitch, then it simply can’t. WDH only make the ride better, but slightly destabilize the rig, that’s why always use WDH with a good sway control.
Can you talk about Hensley hitches on larger travel trailers? I think a lot of the half ton sway issues you speaks of is because of not using an anti sway hitch.
Most sway towing with 1/2 ton trucks is because 1) tires sidewall isn’t strong enough. 2) over correcting with weight distribution hitch. You corrected the squat, but it also lighten the tongue.
WDH meant to correct a reasonable squat, it you over correct it, weight is not only redistributed to the vehicle front axle, but also trailer axles, which could make your tongue weight less than 12%.
Quite frankly, I don’t believe that these issues are from normal wear and tear! Considering that it has been a rental unit! A majority of the issues were caused by renters!
My experience as a rental property manager backs up your gut feeling on the matter. Tenants are rougher because ultimately they do not have to fit the bill long-term. Think of these as a hotel on wheels and how often have you personally seen or heard of damage done by prior guests? It's no different for these RV's, its actually more likely since RV's do need a bit more tender care than your average hotel room considering the lighter weight construction of some items.
“We’re up to almost 6,000 pounds.” The dry weight on mine is 6,600 pounds.
How often do you grease your bearings?
I realize there are problems will all brands of trailers but to judge Grand Design by this video really isn’t fair. Renting out a house takes a toll on the house. Imagine the treatment of a trailer by renters. Unfair to Grand Design. We’re on our second Grand Design and don’t have trailers falling off hinges, trim falling off, etc.
I am going in a 39ft camper and leaving on Tuesday it is a keystone
WOW thanks for the review. I`ve been looking at the 25-28' toy hauler from these guys. But I kept thinking for the money they want this is pretty poorly put together. And knew there would be issues with them. I never liked the way the workmen looked from the 2 I looked at. I could see light through the corners of the slides there was problems with trim in the BRAND NEW UNITS I looked at. Along with rush, and not just surface rust either. All the dealer would say is oh they will see if they can take care of this. I really liked then but this on 2 brand new units at two different dealers. So I`m still shopping, but also thinking 40k-50k will pay for a lot of hotel rooms.
Chas f. You should stick to hotels.
Guy they all are not worth the money for how there built but it is what it is, just like trucks noway in hell are they close to being worth 40 to 90 thousand dollars
I have too say Grand Designs are not poorly put together. You have too remember these trailers are rolling houses on wheels. Things are going too come loose and get damaged and you said you put about 11000 miles already on this trailer in such a short time that's a lot. Me and my wife bought a Imagi e 2250 rk and tow it with my 2019 raptor. We bought ours over two years and just had small issues.
Is this camper really too heavy for a F150 3.5 ecoboost?
No.
He’s towing with the 2.7 and probably doesn’t have enough payload.
I don't like the wheel set up . To much overhang in the rear . Just by looking at it don't look safe to pull in the wind . My opinion . Very nice looking trailer
Knowingly pulling overweight is a great way to pick up a manslaughter charge if you are involved in a serious accident. Knowingly means you tell everybody on TH-cam.
Does the trailer have independent suspension? If not, you might consider that upgrade to reduce shock and vibration while hauling down the road.
It does not. Would be nice though!
I thought this was about towing?
Renting will do this as renters don’t take take the responsibility to care asan owner would
I have been renting my camper out since 2015 and have to say that I disagree with this statement.
What are the (re)views on Carlisle brand tires? I figure if they are good enough for uhaul why not a personal trailer. I have a 2015 Wolf Pup 16BHS. With 14inch tires.