The Most Expensive Outlet I Ever Installed
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I saw this Bocci 22 System outlet and thought I would give it a try. The concept was new to me but I had my doubts on how the outlet would actually work in a standard install. Is the minimalistic design worth the cost and additional time to install?
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Ahh yes the classic finding a solution for a problem that never existed.
More like a solution that is overpriced that no sane individual would purchase, especially when the economy is as bad as it is. Worse yet, you request these to be installed by a professional, that takes an electrician and a drywall contractor to do for you, which could in a cool grand when all is said and done...for one single outlet.
@@jmorv8866but how else will people know you're bored and rich and stupid?
@@TheySt0leMyUserName I don't know, I've never been either one of those. :)
That’s exactly what I was thinking
You nailed my feelings.
I've always wanted to turn a small electrical job into a huge drywall and painting job + a small electrical job. What an inovation!
And don't forget, you halve your outlets in the process!
Dude, this is a retrofit. It's an innovation for new construction.
@@FTLNewsFeed How does that differ from installing the box, outlet and plate, then applying mud and paint? Even if it’s easier for a new installation you’re still down 1 outlet so you need to instal more of them and of it doesn’t cost more in time and effort, it certainly costs more in $$$, and the tool to service them? This is for people with more money than brains.
@@FTLNewsFeed its a real awful innovation, homes get flimsier every year
Terrific! I was hoping to find an expensive option to making a double receptacle less useful while simultaneously putting excessive amounts of drywall compound on the wall.
The fit and finish looks terrible as well. 10/10 product.
I've seen this used once: a commercial site, and the wall material was a p-lam veneer, not mud & paint. For that use, it looked super cool, and the surrounding material is durable enough and easy enough to clean to act like a faceplate.
Yes, I could see using them in certain special situations. They are not viable as a general replacement for normal outlets with cover plates.
Can you imagine the scratches and just build up around that outlet down the road?
People trying to find the outlet for their phone charger at night scratching you wall up!
Seriously what a joke, that’s going to look TERRIBLE in a week of use. Honestly it looks crappy already tbh.
At least it'll be easy to find! Just look for the brown circle on the wall with a white-ish dot in the middle of it.
That's easy to solve... install a normal wall plate on top of it in order to protect the wall and cover up past scratches. 😀
That mud is going to crack terribly after the first time you unplug what ever you have plugged in.
What if it breaks and you have to replace it? The inconvenience of that process is just on another level.
If you can afford to install this in the first place there must be an assumption you can afford to fix it…outrageous.
@@AdamS-lh2ug yeah I think that's the same philosophy with expensive cars, or expensive/high-end stuff in general
The Farnsworth House (glass house, built in the 50's) had these installed in the Travertine floor. I also wondered "if they break, imagine the inconvenience".
Imagine getting a service call for one of these and having to call back to the shop and be like, “I’m not making it to my next call on time, or potentially any other calls today.”
“ITS ONE F#&KING RECEPTACLE!”
“About that, let me send you a photo.”
😂
Imagine trying to reach behind a heavy dresser or bed headboard to plug in a lamp. Just stupid crap for the rich.
Honestly, I don't think it looks any better than a standard outlet. In fact, the weird design sort of draws my eye to it more, making it stand out more and feel a bit uglier to me than the typical receptacles that I'd typically never notice
The first thing I do when I walk into a room is locate all accessible outlets.
I do agree this is ugly though.
The outlet has the default expression a normal person would have after realizing how much money they spent on it
You’re not crazy. The cost is ridiculous. Thanks for the video as it will help me remember to never use this outlet.
Wow, just wow. I was wondering how it could pass code but I guess that tool allows the j box to be considered accessible. Its ugly, and honestly it looks DIY gone wrong lol. Plus I would expect the drywall to crack eventually as it was used. A fool and their money are soon parted I guess. Great video as always thx
I think you are right on the drywall cracking. Also I would be surprised if NEC allows a specialty tool to provide access to the connections 🤷♂️
@@EverydayHomeRepairs Maybe you could tag Joel for his take on it. It would be kind of fun to know if a commercially available product by default can never meet code when it is installed properly.
Code the rich don't worry about code.
@@EverydayHomeRepairs maybe it would fall under "manufacturers specifications". If they are ul tested and blah blah.
@@EverydayHomeRepairs This is all it says. NEC 2020 314.29(A) Boxes and conduit bodies shall be installed so that the contained wiring can be accessed without removing any part of the building or structure.
It just looks unfinished! Thanks for VIDEO! On a side note, I just finished replacing all the switches and receptacles in my daughter's house, if I hadn't seen another one of your awesome videos, I wouldn't have known about Wago connectors, it made the job so much easier and quicker! Thank you so very much!!!! Tom in Ceres, CA
I know right? I can't fathom why there isn't some kind of subtle border or rim around the outlet to avoid that ugly gap between the outlet and surrounding "drywall".
I’ve seen a bunch of these in homes. All of them have had flat white walls with a level 5 finish. They do look really good in that situation, but short of that circumstance, they are a bit ridiculous. They are definitely a niche product.
That's an insane business model by the manufacturer. Complete money grab. It won't sell and will fail in the market inevitably. Thanks for the video!
It’s not totally insane. It’s just not exactly ethical. Outlet costs maybe $2 to make. Push it to crazy people and print money in the process. There’s never a shortage of rich idiots in this world.
@@mr_voron exactly - people will go to great lengths to be "unique" and "express themselves"
@mr_voron, There is nothing unethical about separating a fool from his/her money. e.g. Apple does it with every iPhone they sell.
That's okay the government will make up their losses.
I mean you seem to forget about the extreme rich. Example, a famous rapper has all his light switches so that only the switch itself shows without there being a plate. It's kanye west 🤣
It reminds me all too much of the awful mud jobs homeowners and hacks have done to avoid properly repairing a poorly installed outlet (or switch or valve). It's supposed to look high-end and trendy, but ends up looking like a code violation. Thanks for the interesting video!
I have a collection of pictures of spackle jobs I've had to repair over the years. They're even categorized. You got the Brother In-law, Father In-law, home owner, the Mexican, Mr. D and so on. What they all have in common is they never had to sand their own spackle. I want to some day publish a coffee table book with them 😂
@@gititgiitit5450 yes I'd definitely love to see your drywall meme collection.
@@gititgiitit5450 drywall is probably the easiest thing to do on a diy project, people just don't have patience to layer properly.
@@ss4goku9695 the best dry wall guys don't even sand but yes its not that hard
I'm actually truly impressed that people somewhere sat a table and thought this was a good idea and then approved it and then priced it. It's actually mind boggling that something like this is a part of a viable business (is it?) Are they making a profit?
C-10 licensed California Electrical contractor here. That is a very specific and low use design for a reason. We use the recessed box with cover plate system to allow for replacements of wiring devices because, believe it or not, age deteriorates equipment just as much and sometimes more than it does biology.
Also, ALWAYS ground neutral, hot. In that order. You don’t want to connect a device to voltage until it’s grounded so that way if it shipped from the factory with a ground short, it trips the breaker rather than all the metal on the thing becoming live.
This device certainly has its place, and I’m glad to know about it. This is the first place I’ve seen this specifically. However it takes a 1 trade job and makes it a 3 trade job. To do this anywhere other than just for one or two devices, you’d need to hire three separate contractors in most places. Or pay the same cost to one contractor.
I have absolutely no idea why this would be a thing. That cost is mind boggling. I guess if someone wants to pay me $500 to install it…
Plus it doesn't even look any better than a regular outlet w/ cover to me
@@lukecrue1 You could possibly touch it up and match it to the wall color... with a LOT more work.
At that point it wouldn't be serviceable, and obviously wouldn't be code.
@@lukecrue1 Looks hideous.
@@lukecrue1 To me it looks unfinished. Not a great idea, and poorly executed.
@@davidmoran4471 you ain't the only one thinking that.
This is one of those things that someone will be cursing at in 20 years from now.
I can actually think of several scenarios where this outlet could be useful - behind art or devices on the wall where a regular duplex outlet might show, for example.
It definitely seems like a niche application to me.
I am definitely not cost sensitive either, but the cost for that is insane.
Wouldn't a recessed box work better in that instance? It would also allow the thick plug head to be recessed into the wall so only the thickness of the cord needs to be accounted for.
Also cord thickness is about in line with the stickout of an outlet plate anyways.
@@dfwrider3830 not if the piece is small, no.
Also, my point wasn't that this is the only solution to some particular problems - just that it was a solution. It has applications where it would excel, but it is being held back by a crazy price tag.
The entire design of this just makes you ask "Why?!?" Totally get the desire to do a video on it, though.
I could see it used on a ceiling for plugging in a chandelier in if you wanted to bring back the 1980's trailer aesthetic of having the cord snaked through the chain and drape across the ceiling to above your dining room table.
I could see it being used for a ceiling mounted projector, or for “wireless”(no speaker wire) speaker setups, maybe. Ie something you’re going to plug in once, and would like to keep it minimal looking, but still super super niche product.
I installed a couple in the underside of upper cabinets in a kitchen that didn't have a backsplash. Very difficult to get the cut perfectly plumb such that the reveal around the bocci is perfect but white outlet in white underside of upper cabinet is seamless. In my case the bottom surface of the upper cabinets is at eye level so a standard outlet would mess up the clean modern lines. It also avoided having to put the outlets into the solid surface countertop ( the other option ). They are pricey but I installed 4 outlets - two duplex - and given the overall cost of the kitchen it didn't appreciably impact the project cost. It would be crazy to install these throughout a house and I don't love them enough that I'd put them into drywall.
See, now that makes some sense to me. I can’t imagine installing these just every 18” in a room, you’d need a very special case like the one you described.
Are they gfci?
@@jamesgarrison6430 No if you want gfci protection you could do a gfci breaker or put the bocci downstream of a gfci outlet.
What kind of boxes did you use? Why not use plugmold
@@barfy4751 I used 4" square metal boxes as the jb. The bocci are completely flush with the bottom surface of the upper cabinets. The single barrel holes weren't structurally significant for the bottom of the cabinet - routering something much larger could have required new upper cabinets.
Thank you for this video, I had a good laugh at how it's worse in just about every way and then the cost was the icing on the cake. Pure comedy.
I’ve always wanted an outlet that is flush, so while it’s a lot of extra work, I can appreciate the aesthetic.
I worked in some crazy ridiculous high end homes in Vegas and LA and had the pleasure to install a few of these outlets. The worst is having the cabinet maker make a back panel with a paper thin veneer to fit over this thing. Finally got it to work after 4 panels made.
Oh man, yeah the tolerances are just way too tight on these, not to mention the cost, serviceability, and durability issues. Thanks for the feedback.
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I have an outlet behind a kitchen cabinet, and know what you mean. What I did was install the *cover* of a surface mounted, steel 4*4 junction box with the inside facing out. That gave me an extra 3/4" of clearance for the plug to have play.
I can't say I like the look. If I didn't know any better from the thumbnail and your implications I would expect the materials to account for maybe $15. When it comes down to it all it really is is a plain single outlet with a plastic flange
You haven’t seen it on a waterfall quartzite countertop. The only place I install for clients
That thing reminds me of those invisible wireframe glasses that were designed to hide the fact that you're wearing glasses, but all it looks like is you're trying to hide the fact you're wearing glasses
Scott, I’ve been doing my own residential electrical work for 20 yrs now. I thank you for these videos! More importantly, I never do the things you say are dangerous or not within code. I have always gotten my work inspected by a friend that is an electrician who pulls permits for me…(yeah, I pay him for his efforts) in all the time doing outlets, I have never come across 22 system by Bocci. The prices are outrageous and I couldn’t see any justification for them. Finally, what is the purpose when their images on their site don’t really require it? I admit some of them are nice and neat installations, but, so are mine. Thanks for reading….
That's insane, and I'm not sure that the box meets the NEC definition of accessible after the outlet is installed.
It wouldn't
And after he hacked a piece of it off its now damaged
I hit "like", not for the outlet, but for the effort spent in putting this video together. As other's have said - excessive cost and work for little return in my opinion. Thanks for the video.
The other downside is the edges. It doesn’t look like you can get a nice looking edge around it especially if you have to cut it with a knife. You’d think they’d put a ring you could float to. Also you’d have to double the amount of wire and boxes to get the same amount of outlets.
As soon as I saw this I thought of a similar bs plumbing gimmick. There’s a hose Bibb called the aquor. It’s a flat plate that fits against the house with a cover that flips up. The way you turn it on is you have a separate tool that goes in it. It has an o ring on one end and hose threads on the other. When you quarter turn it it pushes something open to let water out. It looks nice and fancy but they suck. For one you have to have the tool at all times to turn it on. You have to hook your hose on to the tool which can be difficult to do without getting sprayed. Because it quarter turns and locks in, it makes it either on or off. There’s no way to control the flow. The tool is straight so it’s 90 def from the wall so trying to fill a bucket without making a mess is impossible. They make the tool with a ball valve and 45 deg angle but that’s another part you have to buy and then it just functions like a normal hose Bibb. It’s also a big assembly so you can’t replace it without cutting dry wall. Presumably you could repair it but who knows how well that will work. On top of that they cost $150 versus a regular sill cock which is like $15. Matt risenger is a big promoter of these. I love his channel but this isn’t a good product.
There is a TH-cam video i keep getting recommended, where they show a standard water outlet in the thumbnail, and i think its says "1920s", and then it shows the new plastic outlet you mentioned as today's advanced technology! Its crazy how in the 19th and 20th centuries, our entire modern world was designed with both good form and function in mind. But now most "advances" actually involve taking away features that make things easy and convenient to use and maintain. New designs that are inconvenient, awkward, expensive, and often ugly!
1. I think it might take a little time getting used to, to really form a decision.
2. It might be a little more energy efficient in terms of insulation.
3. The costs could be much less in the future- unless there's a patent-then it might cost that much for 20 years.
I hope this didn't cost you anything, if it did, thanks for helping us save our money. One of those outlets will never see the inside or outside of my home.
I think I understand where you would use this. This seems like a good thing to use for high-end homes where you have textured walls or the wall itself is some sort of artistic feature. I don't think these would work well in a normal home.
Also my guess is $45 an outlet all included.
Even then it is really dumb and ugly. The pug is white and will stand out. I think there are more and better options with a plate, from hiring an artist to pain the wall plate, or texturing over the wall plate, or 3d printing a wall plate or make some kind of hidden door latch thing to hide the outlets. I only see this type of plug working if it is the same color as the wall but if you paint it, the paint will get wracked from regular wear and tear. This plugs feels like if someone asks you how to get from NY to IL and you tell them just go east, you can't miss it.
@@MrGelowe great analogy hahaha
Good point, something that could be "hidden" and unobtrusive, or again, a pure aesthetic feature, maybe beneficial for builds like a bookcase, where you need a receptical for a lighting plug that is out of the way and hidden and even that is a stretch. I'm still shaking my head over this.
I don't get it ... I just don't get it.
@@MrGeloweI thought the same, but I realised as long as something is plugged in it doesn’t actually look like theres an outlet, only a cord
You can tell right from the start that socket is going to take plaster off the wall EVERY time you unplug something, here in the UK we have the infamous with the 3rd pin safety earth pin thats longer than the others BUT in the dark or reaching down behind the sofa that pin against the plastic socket outlet is the guide to a plug in. your wall in a months time will look scratched and broken.
Seems like a nice idea. If you're also going to have a huge amount of plaster in light fixtures in your ceiling then why not? They always look super clean and tidy. Better than having massive intrusive flanges on the ceiling given the choice. For the cost of these though they'll only ever end up in highend properties, fair enough.
I had to go to the Bocci 22 System website to see how they were presenting these. They do show an example installed on what might be drywall. Though honestly they look photo-shopped. Lines are much cleaner looking than I think possible. But to their defense. most of the examples are on things like tile and marble where they don't look as weird. Again, the photos look photo-shopped making for a much cleaner look than I think is really possible. But maybe it's possible to cut perfectly round holes in these materials with near razor sharp and crisp edges. Also, it would seem to require the hole in the material be cut in EXACTLY the right spot. There is no position adjustment that I can see.
These are definitely meant for super high end installations. And the cost is likely no big deal compared to everything else in the build. But I don't even think they look that good.
They are better suited for new construction. If they are being set into a wall, plaster would be a better choice. These are great for surfaces like you said - tile and stone applications.
There are better choices for flush electrical boxes. I am renovating a new space and am using flush molding and flush electrical boxes. They are both expensive but look really clean.
I can't speak for all the photos on their website, but I think at least some of them are real. I notice a few of the photos the plug is not perfectly centered in the hole. I wouldn't think they would Photoshop the pictures together with intentional defects like that.
I don't work much with tile, but I suspect the holes are made with one of those circular saw-toothed drill bits (not sure of their proper name) to cut a perfect hole that's the exact right size. There's no way someone is cutting the hole for one of these by hand and making it look good.
These are great for finely wallpapered rooms! People often put wallpaper on the outlet covers to try and hide them, but that just never looks right to me.
Good point.
There will always be a customer who wants everything invisible at all cost. People still want the TV invisible until needed. I once installed invisible speakers in the wall, with a special formula Joint Compound which came with the speakers. She later accidentally screwed a picture hanger right through one.
Post this video on Facebook with some anticipatory and inspirational captions every 20 seconds - “ something amazing is happening” etc. and it will get a lot of attention.
😂
Your sum up captured my thoughts well. I can't imagine being able to service anything much the hole via the extraction too, most of the time it would be open up the wall. To be fair, I see some top end places built with aesthetic vision way ahead of practicality. At these places, the owners aren't even calling the contractors/service folks themselves, let alone doing the work. And not uncommon for it to be remodeled/redone before the serviceability age issues hit.
Ma mamma used to say, stupid is as stupid does. That design is a total train wreck.
Sure it's not gonna replace a standard outlet but there's probably some specialty cases where it might make sense, like on some decorative paneling or tile work or built-in furniture/cabinetry where you don't want some visible box on it.
Reminds me of a 1919 apartment that had one single gang round outlet in each room. Each had a brass screw on cover
Good luck getting an electrician to drywall too.
And paint.
Oh he will gladly do it, for an electricians rate.
Also this looks to not meet code. I thought all junction boxes couldn't be hidden behind walls? What's the difference between a junction box in-between the drywall ceiling below and the floor above (inaccessible) or a junction box hidden behind a drywall wall?
That tool he showed yanks out the receptacle so you can pull the wires through the tiny hole to service them. Does not sound fun.
@@davidkahler9390 That's a tiny access hole. I didn't think code allowed for that. Not that I care much about code. Personally I don't know what the issue with with having a junction box hidden. But this is just ugly in my opinion.
This product buries most of the junction box behind a finished surface. The hole is maybe 20% of the size of the rectangle box. I interpret the code to mean that the entire perimeter of the box has to be accessible.
@@MoneyManHolmes I would imagine so.
@@Guillotines_For_Globalists If you have an electrical problem like a short or a loose connection it's most likely to be at a junction box.
I reminds me of soviet houses, where you would enter a huge room in a house massive and there would be just a single round wall socket the same as this in the video, but with a little bakelite cover. And at the same time it looks like someone just had way too much free time on their hands and just spent 8 hours perfectly plastering one single outlet lol
For a single use outlet under a wall mounted TV or minimalist look in a hallway. It “looks” better , as it would appear the TV is plugged into the wall directly , like magic.
This is a great idea if you’re plugging something in 24/7 and don’t want to deal with the outlet messing up a feature wall look or something, but surely you could either put in a floor outlet that pops up or something similar
Floor outlets are dangerous. Also last i checked the NEC requires a clearance of i believe 12 inches.
@@trpstrincllc4866 Why are they dangerous?
@@Guillotines_For_Globalists If a liquid is spilled near the floor outlet it and drips in the outlet it will short out. Depending on your fuses, the wires and whether tho whole thing is secured via gfci it can even lead to a fire by overheating your wires.
@@Ramthul I suppose. I've only ever seen them with what appears to be a bronze junction box which is super flat and has the flush covers for the outlets when they are not in use. Mostly only in higher end homes with large living rooms or family rooms where you would need a lamp but a long extension cord along the floor would be unsightly and a trip hazard. There's really no other way to do it unless you wanted a junction box to be sticking up out of the floor rather than flush beneath the floor.
lot of money, lot of work, and a lot of time for a nebulous, aesthetic benefit. perfect for people with more money than sense.
Imagine being the young new homeowner just wanting to upgrade your outlet and ruining half your wall just because you watched this guy?
It looks like that plate is so flexible, a few plug/unplug cycles that area will flex and crack the patch material.
I could see one of these being used in odd special cases where maybe you wanted an outlet at eye level above a mantle or something but not throughout a house.
Yikes, that's pricey! The only application I've seen with these that make any sense is in high end cabinetry. It actually looks pretty swanky compared to your standard options.
Saw this outlet in a customer home about a week ago. It was installed as a kitchen counter top receptacle behind tile.
I looked at it for a good two-three minutes, the only thing I could think of was just another way to rip off the customer.
This is a "specialty outlet" for some rare special cases and I cannot think of one case where this would be the only "solution". I won't start replacing my outlets with this. As for the Wago connectors - a great solution to the problem of not wanting to "daisy chain" neutrals between outlet, switch and timer (with stranded wires) to the neutral line. The 5 slot Wago was perfect for the job and even handled the stranded wire from the timer to the heat lamp.
I’d be interested to see you review FLUSHTEK next. They work in a more sane envelope of sticking to US standard outlet systems and they appear to be more cost effective if you’re looking for that flush look. Personally I think it’s all bananas but to each their own…
Those have a place if your installing the outlet one stone work or baseboard. I think it gives a cleaner look. But this round thing? Nah
@@jp-ui6qg You make a great point.
Honestly if it was squared it would look a lot better, and still a hack job.
I'm only a little into this video and I already think that this is for a special use case for outlets that get something plugged in once and it stays there like a clock with the plug in the back of the book case or on some architectural wall where you really want a flush almost invisible profile.
I'd also installed that into the drywall, like removing thickness of base plate from drywall so base don't stick out.
My initial impression is that these aren't intended to be installed as regular wall receptacles. Maybe as an outlet built into a desk or other piece of furniture, or some other material where it would actually look nice and luxurious (cost should indicate as such).
Architects will love it !! I swear they will spec it 👍
Yes, the architect will be the friend of this manufacturer.
Very interesting. Yeah I could see this receptacle being installed in museums or really fancy studio-type spaces. That is clearly the target market.
I personally think the best cost/aesthetic balance are decorator-style devices with the snap-on screwless plates.
I think it would be simpler to just find a way to safely hide the power cord of whatever needs to be plugged in than to go through all the effort and expense to install these in a museum setting.
@@veganguy74 Yes, you're quite right
For the richest of the rich who spend so much on useless stuff that is only for the easthetics and nothing else.
I'm a high end residential electrician for homes in that 5m-100m range, bocci's are very popular in these homes but generally in the kitchen (mainly island plug) or bathrooms, they always suck installing.
1) I Love it, but I certainly don’t view it as a singular superior outlet solution nor think it appropriate for most general retrofit applications. Yet I can think of several niche applications off the top of my head; chiefly, within architectural features with high aesthetic focus or installations within period or historic spaces that endeavor to minimize anachronistic intrusions. I’m also curious if it could be used within a tile mosaic backsplash etc.
(Maybe if I watch the damn video you’ll tell me lol)
2) Very expensive! I’d guess that a specialty architectural grade product like that would set you back at least $100 - 200 bucks a pop - NOT including labor, but that’s really peanuts in the context of exacting luxury, or the architectural avant-garde.
Should have saved this video for April 1st
When removing things from painted surfaces, ALWAYS remove it when the paint is still wet. When you allow it to dry thats when you have to cut into stuff and the item your removing rips the paint up. Doing it when its wet creates a perfect outline
Good point.
Based on the title I jumped up my estimate... And I was still waaaay short lol. Insane. I would not want to have to install this and get the reveal right.
Apart from the cost, this is actually something you could use on some design for the house. I personally don't like it, in a generic house, but i can see it on a fancy office or something.
Wow. Can't say I love it I have 2 thoughts 1 accessibility (which you covered) and 2 is this UL listed?
As some of the others have stated I suppose there might be a place for this, but I doubt it's likely to go mainstream
I'm not convinced that requiring an $80 tool qualifies as "readily accessible".
Having said that, I've done enough high end resi work to know some dumb ass will pay for that throughout their place.
I'm pretty sure I'd refuse the work due to not being readily accessible. Hire some other shmuck, thanks
@@danielmaher9512 good point about the tool
I think those are for wealthy people who want to impress their friends and family with how super modern their home is. Like you said, something where esthetics trump functionality. Definitely for people without kids, because children are gonna beat those outlets to pieces inside of a year lol.
If there are people who love the look of this, then good for them and I'm happy they found something cool to them. I just don't see anywhere near enough aesthetic improvement to justify the cost. I saw these on another video a few years ago and I think it was around $80 for the hardware, so after labor, you're probably looking at a cost of at least $150/per finished outlet.
I’m searching for Bocchi the Rock and end up at Bocchi the Outlet
The cost is absolutely ridiculous, I’m going to stick with the Adorne series by Legrand, they look amazing and the standard outlet in that series is around $7 and the basic white or magnesium wallplate is also around $7
Why are they so hard to find
I question if it is code compliant. Accessability.
I was way off on my guess. I said for all the materials to do this project it was $100. Personally, I do not like the design of the new outlet. Maybe because I am so used to what we are using now. I do like those wire connectors. Those are fancy and so much easier to use.
Yeah, and the durability when installed in drywall is very, very poor. The wall would be damaged within months of use.
I can already feel the ghosts of future electricians cursing the graves of anyone who installs these.
It looks terrible for a drywall install, having the effect of looking cheap. But for a minimalist mounting for a marble or tile wall, it could be an upgrade as long as it is wired to a GFCI outlet before it.
It might look nice in tile yeah. Even then I've never minded the normal receptacles with wall plates so long as they aren't sunken and they're caulked
Why GFCI?
@@cgschow1971 Marble or tile is usually in the kitchen or bathroom where things might get wet. But a single outlet seems impractical to me. In the bathroom, I like to connect an electric toothbrush and a shaver, and in the kitchen usually have more than one appliance per outlet.
What keeps the outlet itself from pushing into or pulling out of the wall when you connect/remove things to/from it?
Price makes sense when you consider the market this is for. Super high end homes. Low volume means high price. They are inserted into level 5 drywall and other places they don't want a "normal" outlet. They also wouldn't put a white one on a wall that color and they come in different colors.
I really enjoyed the bit of the plate flexing as he was pushing in the socket because you know that drywall will crack eventually by putting in a plug and pulling it out over time doesn't matter how much fiberglass tape you use.
As for removal, I was thinking a dummy plug to allow you to twist and have the locks disengage but yeah this is a dumb product.
Looks like this would be really pushing code… I know you can’t have a box hidden in the wall with no way to service it, but this is next to not having a way to get in it. This thing just ain’t worth it! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I think that any client that would be interested in these is going to be very particular about how the finished product looks. In the scenario where you're replacing old receptacles, like in a remodel, and the wall is textured, you're going to have to factor in flattening and re-texturing the whole wall, as well as re-painting, otherwise they're going to spot the difference in the texture (unless you're lucky enough to have access to a texture 'artist', which seems to be few and far between.) Someone else pointed out a possible good application is under wallpaper. I think that's a good idea, but I think the price is hard to justify. Along with a lot of others, I wouldn't recommend it to a client because of future access issues, and potential issues meeting code requirements (accessibility). And, after all that being said, I think the outlet in the drywall just looks weird, like there's something wrong.
I really like the look of that install, but given that you have to basically redo the drywall, paint back over it and everything I would guess $200. I have no idea what it normally costs for anything soo that's just a wild guess, but I reckon drywalling is pretty expensive stuff.
So glad you could bring this to us. Thank you!
Decora hasn't looked modern for a very long time. This scratches that itch. However...nope, fuck that $$$.
i have rental properties with ~$0.25 receptacles that are still going strong after ~30 years. In my home, I have changed out some higher-use outlets with Commercial Spec Grade for less than ~$4/per pre-covid. The price of this is really outrageous. I wonder how many the manufacturer sells in a year. 2? 3 maybe?
.25 cent receptacles sound like a fire hazard.
@@priceandpride , 30 years ago this is what they cost...now they are ~$1.25...again UL listed and meets all electrical codes.
We once went to a showing of a house that had flush mount electrical outlets throughout the house. They weren't like this ,just regular flush mount outlets. The agent said the process was approximately $200 an outlet. They also were asking way over the appraised value for the house, so we walked away. I just can't imagine why anyone would actually want these kinds of outlets! To each there own, I guess! Weird....
I’ve seen this used in a subway tile backsplash. Looks pretty good.
Even if I liked this, which I don't, holy shit, the amount of extra drywall work is insane!
I think your drywall finishing leaves a lot to be desired but I do appreciate that you filmed this, finishing with hot mud is never ideal but it definitely can be leagues better than that, I think it's possible to get a really nice effect out of that but only if the drywall is perfect otherwise there's no illusion
Jesus.
Not only is it stupid expensive but it also looks like sh88t. I have a feeling that company wont last very long.
This is along the lines of other products like Trufig and Wall-Smart. They're usually sold & installed by high-end audio/video and electrical contractors in multi-million dollar homes, typically 10,000 sf and larger homes. Clients like that don't care that much about price as long as they can get the aesthetic look they're after. They offer similarly-styled switches and low voltage outlets as well. Oh to be so rich you can throw away $300 to $500 per elecrical outlet! it's just money, right?
I've seen clients get standard duplex outlets installed too, per code, then have the contractor come back after inspection and disconnect and mud over the outlets that would be visible after furniture is completed because they couldn't stand the sight of outlets spoiling their modern, pristine, minimalist design. Nuts.
Your crazy! that was a great bargain for an application that I need to fill! Wow this is great, I have found the solution to a situation that has been plaguing me. Here it is: no it's not. Just joking. I can't think of any application where I would want that outlet, regardless of high price or excess labor requirements. I want more outlets not less. Maybe someone who sees value in minimalist feng shui would like it, but that's a stretch. Dude, hope that post pays for the junk outlet. Love your content, keep going.
Makes about as much sense as buying prefilled ice trays.
I hate waiting for ice to freeze where can I buy a prefilled ice tray?
Inspector- “is that considered accessible.
Everyday home repairs- “ define accessible.”
This appears to be a museum product for a pre wiring historic house or an art museum where lighting is needed for paintings, sculptures. Where the power has to be super subtle. Similar with AC thermostats and switches. The price is the phenomenon of spending OPM (other people's money).
I've been through library, museum and education tech catalogs and it is amazing what they charge for out of date equipment....mostly because the buyers have an inflated budget to burn.
Now plug a 6 outlet power strip into it and you're all set. 😄
I looked into these when I seen them advertised on Facebook. They basically want one wire to each one they don’t want you to have multiple wires in one box which is really stupid because you have to change your entire wiring method for the house if you’re doing them throughout.
Thank you for this video!
For that astronomical price, the outlet better have a bunch of cool features.
Hey warning about those wago nuts from an electrician, under load they WILL eventually fail. I have replaced plenty of them once they're a couple years old with any moderate load on them. Lighting, maybe they're fine, but if you've got a hair dryer or a space heater going through wagos, that thin piece of metal burns up quick.
I understand using them makes a quick easy connection, that's why contractors love them. But they eventually fail, leading to service calls, which is why contractors love them.....