Abortion is the civil rights issue of our time, it is exactly what slavery was during the civil war. It is about redefining what a human is, who much of a human is a person. Once again the Republicans are on the side of the human life.
Can you explain your view of a human? My view is that if something doesn't have experience, which happens in the brain, then it doesn't have value as a life.
A person you may know Oh see I would never say your experiences make you "human", they definitely make up a large portion of your character and personality, but your DNA biologically is what makes you a human. DNA is what distinguishes a human from any other lifeform
What I mean is the ability to experience (Not past experiences). That only happens once the brain is sufficiently developed. If you could imagine a robot that has no conscious experience there is really no ethical implication for destroying it. But if we believe it has conscious experience (that could even be richer than our own) then there is an ethical duty toward that being. That is how I feel about a human fetus. Once it begins to have conscious experience we have an ethical obligation. Before then it is essentially an organic robot.
A person you may know See that is an argument for consciousness, I'm saying that what makes something Human is the DNA, a fetus at the moment of conception has their own unique human DNA and everything that makes up what that human is. Because alot of people lose consciousness all the time, for short times or for lifetimes, they do not cease to be human when that happens.
YuGiOhDuelChannel that is an argument for consciousness but I would argue that is all we have an ethical responsibility towards. This is the conversation that we should be having as a society. unfortunately it is poisoned by politics
BigHat FBW Do you have anything constructive to add? A specific example of what he said/did that was wrong and why it was wrong. Or are you just going to sit there spewing petty insults attempting to legitimize the blatant hate and bias behind a thin veneer of well constructed speech and large words that ultimately boil down to "I don't like Ben because I think he's stupid." At least make a genuine effort to point out the specific reasons why you think that, or don't and just continue being spiteful, hateful an all around unhelpful.
It's from Logistics! "If Ben is a articulate speaker, and articulate speakers impress crowds well, then it is highly probably that Ben impresses crowds." (Not as good as him, but just a basic exp.)
Ben would make an awesome White House press secretary! It would be a pure joy to see him keep the media in check! Only problem would be that he would have to call Trump out often.
Abortion is morally wrong I agree with ben on this issue, but it is a very difficult issue to decide what is best for society.I made a channel so I could discuss issues like these.
"Abortion is morally wrong I agree with ben on this issue," No, you don't. " but it is a very difficult issue to decide what is best for society." No, it isn't. Murdering babies is evil. Period. See how easy that is? ".I made a channel so I could discuss issues like these." There's nothing to discuss, especially when you seem to be confused on the issue. Take your spam elsewhere.
Remember everyone: Slavery and abortion are very similar. Both are about weather a human is a human or not. Both are about the property of that human. And both are, hopefully, soon to be abolished!
So if a guy his hairy as shit with caterpillar eyebrows and back hair like a caveman you'd rather just leave it? I think most women would disagree with you on that one.
I remember one of my professors wondering why developmental biology had been removed from undergraduate curricula in biology and biochemistry all over the country, and lamenting over the fact that this was a crucial course for any biology-related major. In the best case scenario, the course was offered as an elective. In the worse case scenario it simply wasn't offered anymore.
ugh, can we hire a guy to wrestle the phone or keyboard out of trumps hands when he starts tweeting stuff? I dont want him impeached, I just want someone to stop him from giving his opposition ammo.
Ben thank you for bringing rational discussions about hot topics. And thank God how well spoken you are for all of us who can not put words to the truth in their heart. God continue to strengthen you and give u wisdom. amen amen amen.
Killing the weak for being weak is at the core of their motivations. Interesting how these same people aren't for killing serial murderers but are for old people and babies.
The Spencer thing though, I would like to hear the question he was responding to because that one seemed like it may have been handled well, however, but the presidential Twitter comment and conway's tweet are wrong.
Why can't we criticize judge's integrity? Is this some kind of magic robe they wear? That is ridiculous. They wield so much power we should definitely criticize their integrity if it is a problem.
I agreed with everything you said up until the end; I'm thinking Trump claimed that Blumenthal didn't get asked about lying in regards to serving in Vietnam to provoke the media to have to correct him and report more on that fact.
Sales for Ivanka's line went down, they ended their contract. That's the way business works. I realize people stopped buying Ivanka's clothes because of the Trump name, but sales going down means companies have to cut contracts. Feelings may be hurt, it's a stupid reason to stop buying a product, but that's how business works.
Trump is the tyrant we predicted he would be. And now is the time to make good on being #NeverTrump. So let's hold our noses and work with the Democrats to get him impeached.
Nicole Williams if that's the case how come they aren't will to show proof sales went Down. Ivankas sales on Amazon stayed they same so there is no to think her sales in stores really dropped.
Ben you know there will some growing pains for Trump at first..This is small shit. If this is the worst then by all means we have it pretty great !!! America First 🇺🇸
Nacirema Edam Agreed, Ben is making a mountain out a mole hill. Plus, I can see through people's shit. Ben just doesn't like Trump. I get it and understand it. But people kill me with all nitpicking, phony outrage and the hypocrisy. Grow up people. Trump's shoots from the hip. He's never going to be "Presidential" 🙄 which is just a euphemism for a typical, phony, lying politician. Let me know when Trump really does something bad, I'll be waiting with open ears.
You call breaking federal law a small thing? You retards voted in a moron who cares nothing for the law. should have been with us with #neverTrump And when we said never, we mean NEVER.
A fetus doesn't have the same rights as an animal. It's really something to think about. It's also interesting to think that a pregnant murdered woman means a trial for double murder.
Disagreeing with the president isn't the problem it's defending these ridiculous judges who aren't judging based on the law but legislating from the bench that "doesn't bode well"
I can't begin to tell you how much I don't care about who said what and when in regards to this. I watched half way. Love your work but I'm out on this subject.
Oh Ben... haven't you heard of the grammar program: quantum language? And that president means pre-simulation-denture...? Just someone for us to direct energy to and yell at?
I #boycottNordstrom on Twitter, then began thinking where are Nordstrom's located? They are in areas that voted Democrat so it won't hurt them much if any at all by boycotting Ivanka, in fact it may help them.
I am a Trump supporter who also enjoys Ben Shapiro. That said, abortion is not a great thing, but what would become of these unwanted babies, who will pay for them. It's a sad thing and should not be taken lightly, but we have bigger issues, leave this one alone.
Well Ben if they let her brand go for political reasons then no one will pick it up even if it sells. It obviously sold in Nordstrom an they still got rid of it for political reasons. They've said the line was doing good in the past. Why would they get rid of it if it was doing good. Political reasons. Honestly, they kept her line until trump got elected.
If women don't want to be burdened by the possibility of being pregnant, why don't they just remove their ovaries? No constant trips to Planned parenthood, no need for continual contraceptives, and they ultimately take their body into their control. They remove themselves from the "You're killing a life inside of you," argument and can adopt at any time, giving them the "Joy" of parenthood.
i support trump but i hold the constitution in higher regard. if trump crosses the line he needs to be held accountable. this is why i love ben shapiro and the right wing, we hold our own to the standard of law regardless of there political affiliation
....more an episode on the general controversy around the trailer than just the trailer itself. I shouldn't have needed to spell it out. And lefties can continue to whine about how the show's based on a satirical movie. One of the main writers of this show tweeted out 'fuck white people'' on election night, and called people who criticised the trailer 'white supremacists'. That tells you all you need to know about this racist scum. Fuck that trailer, fuck netflix, and fuck any lameass who tries to defend it.
If you don't feel any remorse or guilt, maybe not at the moment, but later down the road post going through an abortion.. You need to search your soul. Unless one doesn't believe in that either.. Then you just suck at life.
Jimi Quackers As a straight, white, Christian male, I'm glad my brain wasn't sucked out in the womb! I'm not glad that you'd want that to happen to others! I use exclamation marks!
Regarding the pro abortion guy, if anyone wants something to research, I bet if you look you'll find that the abortion guy lied about everything in his past.
Kellyanne fucked up clearly, but Spicer was just responding to questions about it. Frankly I prefer he _give_ an answer than just dodge it - sick to death of press secretaries that dodge questions. As for Ms Conway, between this and the 'alternative facts' line, she needs to be reigned in for a while. She's very good but that only seems to make her mistakes seem more profound.
I agree that Trump needs to self-regulate himself on social media, but I'm not very concerned about it. He does appear to be able to learn from mistakes eventually. *However*... Knowing the democrats as we now do, I'm not convinced a minor disagreement with Gorsuch is a terribly bad thing. Most of the sitting democrats in Congress appear to be such idiots that they have a knee-jerk favorable reaction to *anyone* that disagrees with Trump in any measure.
didn't watch the whole video but responding to the title, I'm a Democrat and I can speak for all my democratic friends that we do not think everything is considered sexist or racist lol 😅 don't think anyone does unless they are a sjw :o
Nelly Shu I'm glad to know the left hasn't collectively gone mad. SJW seem to have the loudest voices right now. I hope sane liberals will be around for a long while, the debate isn't half as much fun without ya. Cheers!
Why does anyone think they have the ability or right to say when human life begins? The only reason people are arguing about it in the first place is because they are trying to justify their belief in killing humans. They don't want to say they are killing a human so they start a stupid argument about when life begins. But it's not about when they think human life begins. Why do they get to decide? When you have to split hairs about when life begins, maybe you're opening yourself up to make decisions you shouldn't be making in the first place and proclaiming loud and long that a woman should have the right to do what she wants with her body does not mean that you actually know anything about when human life begins. It just means you're trying to rationalize your beliefs because you want to abort a baby.
It makes sense to me, and it even fits everyone's ideology: Abandoning God leads you to doing horrible evil, and calling it good. Isaiah 5:20 'Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.' - And those who will do this will think the Godly to be evil - for they 'punish' women and oppress them. Makes sense to me.
Abortion is the civil rights issue of our time, it is exactly what slavery was during the civil war. It is about redefining what a human is, who much of a human is a person. Once again the Republicans are on the side of the human life.
Can you explain your view of a human? My view is that if something doesn't have experience, which happens in the brain, then it doesn't have value as a life.
A person you may know Oh see I would never say your experiences make you "human", they definitely make up a large portion of your character and personality, but your DNA biologically is what makes you a human. DNA is what distinguishes a human from any other lifeform
What I mean is the ability to experience (Not past experiences). That only happens once the brain is sufficiently developed.
If you could imagine a robot that has no conscious experience there is really no ethical implication for destroying it. But if we believe it has conscious experience (that could even be richer than our own) then there is an ethical duty toward that being.
That is how I feel about a human fetus. Once it begins to have conscious experience we have an ethical obligation. Before then it is essentially an organic robot.
A person you may know See that is an argument for consciousness, I'm saying that what makes something Human is the DNA, a fetus at the moment of conception has their own unique human DNA and everything that makes up what that human is. Because alot of people lose consciousness all the time, for short times or for lifetimes, they do not cease to be human when that happens.
YuGiOhDuelChannel that is an argument for consciousness but I would argue that is all we have an ethical responsibility towards. This is the conversation that we should be having as a society. unfortunately it is poisoned by politics
Ben is a genius
23sneakergeek literally, he graduated high school at 16 years old. #Shapiro2020
BigHat FBW Do you have anything constructive to add? A specific example of what he said/did that was wrong and why it was wrong. Or are you just going to sit there spewing petty insults attempting to legitimize the blatant hate and bias behind a thin veneer of well constructed speech and large words that ultimately boil down to "I don't like Ben because I think he's stupid." At least make a genuine effort to point out the specific reasons why you think that, or don't and just continue being spiteful, hateful an all around unhelpful.
23sneakergeek He is a genius. You don't even need to agree with him politically. I just appreciate the sheer volume of words. This dude is a computer
BigHat FBW it's called logic.... lol and just cause it makes sense doesn't mean it's from a computer wow .
It's from Logistics! "If Ben is a articulate speaker, and articulate speakers impress crowds well, then it is highly probably that Ben impresses crowds." (Not as good as him, but just a basic exp.)
Seattle needs you.
Valiant For Truth - WORD.
Valiant For Truth The world needs him
J Y Exactly. LA is a hopeless case.
LA is a pretty nice place. Mostly people go out and drink and smoke weed. They aren't totally shoved up their own ass with politics
Portland Or too!
The opera singer/political genius is back.
Ben plz run for president and drain the swamp!
I thought Trump was supposed to be draining the swamp?
if a person kills a woman who is pregnant & the baby dies also how is it treated in a court of law?
N Cisco 78 as double homicide but don't tell that to the left they won't like it
I'm always so encouraged by your videos. Makes me happy knowing there are sane, intelligent, conservative voices out there fighting for us!!
Ben would make an awesome White House press secretary! It would be a pure joy to see him keep the media in check! Only problem would be that he would have to call Trump out often.
realtimegaming that would be awesome and hilarious!!
I personally would like to see him on the supreme court lol
Ben, much love from the Navajo Nation bud. You speak the truth and i appreciate that.
Abortion is morally wrong I agree with ben on this issue, but it is a very difficult issue to decide what is best for society.I made a channel so I could discuss issues like these.
I think abortion is wrong under any circumstances. Also, I liked your channel.
Sometimes it can help society though.
ben shapiro is an idiot, and your an idiot. i down voted your videos. FUCK YOU.
"Abortion is morally wrong I agree with ben on this issue,"
No, you don't.
" but it is a very difficult issue to decide what is best for society."
No, it isn't. Murdering babies is evil. Period. See how easy that is?
".I made a channel so I could discuss issues like these."
There's nothing to discuss, especially when you seem to be confused on the issue. Take your spam elsewhere.
legally a baby doesn't have human rights until born and given a birth certificate. and i think this is the best argument for abortion.
I'm pro choice..
Everyone should have the ability to choose between condom, pills or other forms of preventing pregnancy.
Parker is a quasi-human.
I Love Freedom of Speech, which is why I love Ben.
Remember everyone: Slavery and abortion are very similar. Both are about weather a human is a human or not. Both are about the property of that human. And both are, hopefully, soon to be abolished!
Ben, those eyebrows need some serious attention.
Kind Regards,
Milo.
Hahaha!
pubes?
Jay Cummings Well, at least for a unibrow
Jay Cummings yes it should but not shaven or made to look feminine
So if a guy his hairy as shit with caterpillar eyebrows and back hair like a caveman you'd rather just leave it? I think most women would disagree with you on that one.
Don't endorse a product for someone, just give them a government contract instead.
Interesting setting for the show Ben.
I remember one of my professors wondering why developmental biology had been removed from undergraduate curricula in biology and biochemistry all over the country, and lamenting over the fact that this was a crucial course for any biology-related major. In the best case scenario, the course was offered as an elective. In the worse case scenario it simply wasn't offered anymore.
Blessings to you and your family Ben
Ben, is that a Rothko print behind you? I just saw the original at MOMA last week...amazing.
ugh, can we hire a guy to wrestle the phone or keyboard out of trumps hands when he starts tweeting stuff? I dont want him impeached, I just want someone to stop him from giving his opposition ammo.
The artwork at that hotel really sucks.
ben do more debates. awesome stuff
How can it be advertising when you are asked a specific question relating to the business?
Listened to the entire podcast on soundcloud and damn ben you have a nice vibrato
I love listening to Ben! Genius!
Wait, how does someone go from being against the murder of children to being for it? That's incomprehensible to me!
I love how he doesn't give a crap about using fake synonyms and safety words. he says it how it is
Nice pipes.
Had a dream last night and Ben was in it speaking. I just listened hahah.
Good work calling out the conflicts of interest AND the idea of boycotts over Ivanka's father's politics.
I used to be pro choice. Let people do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt me. Ben switched me to the other side so quickly. This guy.
I wish I had eyebrows as magnificent as Ben's.
David Thoren just glue some caterpillars to your eyes.
I missed out on a few of these. What happened to the studio? Why is the show in his house now?
Take away the tax break for giving to charity and watch the ''charity'' dry up.
Ben speaks.... wisdom flows.....
I subscribe and tapped the notification bell, but I haven't been getting his videos. I'm pissed
Ben should really get into the advertisement business. he really knows how to sell a product.
Ben thank you for bringing rational discussions about hot topics. And thank God how well spoken you are for all of us who can not put words to the truth in their heart. God continue to strengthen you and give u wisdom. amen amen amen.
Killing the weak for being weak is at the core of their motivations. Interesting how these same people aren't for killing serial murderers but are for old people and babies.
Suicide is illegal here. Can I just self-abort now?
The Spencer thing though, I would like to hear the question he was responding to because that one seemed like it may have been handled well, however, but the presidential Twitter comment and conway's tweet are wrong.
ben for prez 2020!
Compounded interest is a social construct. To derive a market from a market propped up in compounded interest proves that debt ceiling is an oxymoron.
Why can't we criticize judge's integrity? Is this some kind of magic robe they wear? That is ridiculous. They wield so much power we should definitely criticize their integrity if it is a problem.
you went full William Lane Craig. Never go full William Lane Craig.
Most weeks?? It's February 10 th. But, I agree.
Presidents usually learn from mistakes and get the hang of it over time.
I am prolife and morally against abortion (murder), but I am also for women to have the right to safe legal abortions.
Am I the only one who thinks Trumps little tiff with his Supreme Judge pick is to make the opposition embrace him?
Why is Ben doing these segments from home? Have I missed something?
I agreed with everything you said up until the end; I'm thinking Trump claimed that Blumenthal didn't get asked about lying in regards to serving in Vietnam to provoke the media to have to correct him and report more on that fact.
Sales for Ivanka's line went down, they ended their contract. That's the way business works. I realize people stopped buying Ivanka's clothes because of the Trump name, but sales going down means companies have to cut contracts. Feelings may be hurt, it's a stupid reason to stop buying a product, but that's how business works.
Trump is the tyrant we predicted he would be. And now is the time to make good on being #NeverTrump.
So let's hold our noses and work with the Democrats to get him impeached.
Improvman ψ your an idiot .Trump didn't say it Kellyanne said it .
Nicole Williams if that's the case how come they aren't will to show proof sales went Down. Ivankas sales on Amazon stayed they same so there is no to think her sales in stores really dropped.
Talia Shoma Actually, they did show the decline.
Is this worthy of impeachment, this has to violate some law?
Improvman ψ what law ? Cite the law. I'll wait
It was a question
is that a Rothko?
Is this Ben Sharpio's official channel?
Does the $2 subscription get you access to full videos or do you have to pay $8?
The American Dream. All compounded interest being compounded for all.
That OBGYN is a liar. He wanted to promote his profession as an executioner and offend people at the same time.
Ben you know there will some growing pains for Trump at first..This is small shit. If this is the worst then by all means we have it pretty great !!!
America First 🇺🇸
Nacirema Edam Agreed, Ben is making a mountain out a mole hill. Plus, I can see through people's shit. Ben just doesn't like Trump. I get it and understand it. But people kill me with all nitpicking, phony outrage and the hypocrisy. Grow up people. Trump's shoots from the hip. He's never going to be "Presidential" 🙄 which is just a euphemism for a typical, phony, lying politician. Let me know when Trump really does something bad, I'll be waiting with open ears.
Nacirema Edam
This 'small' shit Ben criticizes Trump about is embarrassing and a mockery of the white house.
You call breaking federal law a small thing?
You retards voted in a moron who cares nothing for the law.
should have been with us with #neverTrump
And when we said never, we mean NEVER.
Improvman ψ lol Trump is a dumbass
phoenixwing50
And Republicans still voted for him.
so many mike drop moments
A fetus doesn't have the same rights as an animal. It's really something to think about. It's also interesting to think that a pregnant murdered woman means a trial for double murder.
milo has 5x the subscribers. However i would love to hear ben or milo speak live in a heart beat.
Can we get married haha?
THE HERO!!!
Ben do you still play the violin? Would you consider playing a little on a show?
Disagreeing with the president isn't the problem it's defending these ridiculous judges who aren't judging based on the law but legislating from the bench that "doesn't bode well"
Wow, sounds like some demon got a hold of that guy! Great analysis Ben!
You are right. Why Trump write tweets!? He should send IRS to those businesses!
Ok! So
I can't begin to tell you how much I don't care about who said what and when in regards to this. I watched half way. Love your work but I'm out on this subject.
I am a Christian. However , do you have to be a christian to love children? No, I hope not. Where is the love for the children? So sad.
Oh Ben... haven't you heard of the grammar program: quantum language? And that president means pre-simulation-denture...? Just someone for us to direct energy to and yell at?
Genius, but I wonder how smart he is with Calculus
I #boycottNordstrom on Twitter, then began thinking where are Nordstrom's located? They are in areas that voted Democrat so it won't hurt them much if any at all by boycotting Ivanka, in fact it may help them.
I think trump was on about the word abhorrent that wasn't used that was his problem with the misrepresentation
But Hillary did solicit donations as Secretary of State.
So this critism of Trump is invalid?
The election is over. Hillary is irrelevant.
I am a Trump supporter who also enjoys Ben Shapiro. That said, abortion is not a great thing, but what would become of these unwanted babies, who will pay for them. It's a sad thing and should not be taken lightly, but we have bigger issues, leave this one alone.
Well Ben if they let her brand go for political reasons then no one will pick it up even if it sells. It obviously sold in Nordstrom an they still got rid of it for political reasons. They've said the line was doing good in the past. Why would they get rid of it if it was doing good. Political reasons. Honestly, they kept her line until trump got elected.
Ben your hate us showing. Spicer was responding to a question. The rant was less than 1 minute. We will have to start playing "Good Ben" "Bad Ben".
If women don't want to be burdened by the possibility of being pregnant, why don't they just remove their ovaries? No constant trips to Planned parenthood, no need for continual contraceptives, and they ultimately take their body into their control. They remove themselves from the "You're killing a life inside of you," argument and can adopt at any time, giving them the "Joy" of parenthood.
Trump is definitely straddling that line between conflict of interest with his family.
As a big Trump fan - I hope he doesn't use the POTUS account like this again. It was only a retweet though, so he can still save it.
Can this guy run for president?
That stuff about trump is concerning.
Thoes eyebrows...
i support trump but i hold the constitution in higher regard.
if trump crosses the line he needs to be held accountable.
this is why i love ben shapiro and the right wing, we hold our own to the standard of law regardless of there political affiliation
A quarter of this video is ads.
Do an episode on the Dear White People Netflix controversy.
Why? It was just a really poorly made trailer.
Apparently the show isn't actually like it is in the trailer.
....more an episode on the general controversy around the trailer than just the trailer itself. I shouldn't have needed to spell it out. And lefties can continue to whine about how the show's based on a satirical movie. One of the main writers of this show tweeted out 'fuck white people'' on election night, and called people who criticised the trailer 'white supremacists'. That tells you all you need to know about this racist scum. Fuck that trailer, fuck netflix, and fuck any lameass who tries to defend it.
If you don't feel any remorse or guilt, maybe not at the moment, but later down the road post going through an abortion.. You need to search your soul. Unless one doesn't believe in that either.. Then you just suck at life.
As a pro-choice atheist...I support Ben Shapiro!
Jimi Quackers
As a straight, white, Christian male, I'm glad my brain wasn't sucked out in the womb! I'm not glad that you'd want that to happen to others! I use exclamation marks!
I love exclamation marks too!
The entire abortionist thing sounded like a made up story from the imagination of a pro-abortion stand point
Regarding the pro abortion guy, if anyone wants something to research, I bet if you look you'll find that the abortion guy lied about everything in his past.
Most of the people on the left do.
Kellyanne fucked up clearly, but Spicer was just responding to questions about it. Frankly I prefer he _give_ an answer than just dodge it - sick to death of press secretaries that dodge questions. As for Ms Conway, between this and the 'alternative facts' line, she needs to be reigned in for a while. She's very good but that only seems to make her mistakes seem more profound.
I agree that Trump needs to self-regulate himself on social media, but I'm not very concerned about it. He does appear to be able to learn from mistakes eventually. *However*... Knowing the democrats as we now do, I'm not convinced a minor disagreement with Gorsuch is a terribly bad thing. Most of the sitting democrats in Congress appear to be such idiots that they have a knee-jerk favorable reaction to *anyone* that disagrees with Trump in any measure.
I don't have any problem with Trumps tweets regarding Nordstroms
hotel Rothko
didn't watch the whole video but responding to the title, I'm a Democrat and I can speak for all my democratic friends that we do not think everything is considered sexist or racist lol 😅 don't think anyone does unless they are a sjw :o
Nelly Shu I'm glad to know the left hasn't collectively gone mad. SJW seem to have the loudest voices right now. I hope sane liberals will be around for a long while, the debate isn't half as much fun without ya. Cheers!
beckyfuge : )
Nelly Shu the hard left loves to misrepresent your views, that's for sure.
Why does anyone think they have the ability or right to say when human life begins? The only reason people are arguing about it in the first place is because they are trying to justify their belief in killing humans. They don't want to say they are killing a human so they start a stupid argument about when life begins. But it's not about when they think human life begins. Why do they get to decide? When you have to split hairs about when life begins, maybe you're opening yourself up to make decisions you shouldn't be making in the first place and proclaiming loud and long that a woman should have the right to do what she wants with her body does not mean that you actually know anything about when human life begins. It just means you're trying to rationalize your beliefs because you want to abort a baby.
It makes sense to me, and it even fits everyone's ideology: Abandoning God leads you to doing horrible evil, and calling it good.
Isaiah 5:20 'Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.' - And those who will do this will think the Godly to be evil - for they 'punish' women and oppress them.
Makes sense to me.