@@milonchello1643 buying tiamat? What a waste, your wave clear is good enough, buy bamis cinder if you have to (and are going tank), save that cash for the real deal
@@milonchello1643no one, absolutely no one buys tiamat EARLY on Sion. Titanic Hydra sure, as last item seems cool. But your Q W base dmg is more than enough. Watch some baus.
@@SenatorDodo09 Tiamat is not entirely wrong, it could be build into Titanic hydra for more aa procs either for hitting turret with hullbreaker passive, faster waveclear, or even for sion's passive to kill enemies.
This is why minion demat can be very good on champs like syndra and ahri. They have strange breakpoints for thier waveclear and can with using 2 charges on casters allow you to oneshot casters a level earlier.
@@keyholer4664true however minions dont level up in accordance to you, but match time. so if you level up earlier you effectively have better clear time cuz you are ahead of your opponent AND the minions' buff up.
To be fair he started as a adc with sword of the occult as a recommended item and a passive that gave the team crit before people realized he was a better ap caster.
Just a tip about Vex in specific, you should always try to line up and use your E first, which will deal some damage and apply Gloom, then use Q, W or AA, which will consume the Gloom, deal extra damage and reduce you abilities and Fear Passive cooldown
maybe if you're iron 2.if you're any rank above that,it will work even with the enemy laner.push the wave,crash,take the honeyfruit (if you tracked it properly) and roam
@@aaabbb-zc7sx Sure just ignore that the enemy might have better wave clear and cancel out your wave push or it might be an extremely aggresive assasin and will kill you if you get that close to the wave and expend your main damaging abilities. You are such a pro of course
@@mcheimler You're ahri lvl 7, u wanna clear the wave but you are on 60% hp, you're up against a yasuo with full health. Tell me how you reach the backline with Q without being engaged on.
I figured that out as a supp playing champs with aoe like lux. A single e won't kill the back line at lvl 3/4 so if the wave is coming toward the turret i can e and the adc can quickly farm to push the wave back.
@jaxthejaximus6296 if they miss all their last hits because of a single hit on a voidling, then you're playing vs bots. Voidlings are weak af and die in a single hit. It's a shame. Malz kit in general leaves a LOT to be wanted.
You don't often get augment that early ln tho. Need to get couple of kills for this, and he doesn't have much kill pressure on level 5 ans earlier on... I can only think about setting a gunk on overstretched opponent with your jungler
My breakpoint for mid as a sylas is 2,3,5. Level 2 (most likely require an ignite) is a kill if you can bait flash early, predict flash, or be patient as most low elo players flash instinctually. 3 is if you failed to kill at level 2 and got their flash, but you also got enough dmg and ways to stick on to the opponent. 5 is the big pick a path moment. Push everything into q and clear wave to roam or empower w to win fights better. All of these levels could also fit into passive playstyle as well. Abuse ur aoe enhance auto to clear like a monster early and just be a 2nd jg or a bodyguard for ur jg.
Quick question. What do you do if you don’t have as much waveclear either cuz the first skill you level is mostly single target like GP’s Q or Sylas’a W or just DPS or DOT like Azir and A Sol who can’t clear as fast?
As an Azir/Malzahar player, I was an exception lol. Azir doesn’t have the dmg to 2 shot at lvl 5 and Malzahar’s ability to kill the back line is tied to his 1st burn item. Just use this as an example: these tips are generalizations. Not always the best in every situation and do not apply to every mid laner, just the majority.
meh, its a good theory but in reality there is differences depending items and when you hit these lvls. this leads to where you onshot on one wave and the next being too tanky to do it. its a good rule of thumb but something you have to learn for every champ individually
I just tried this and holy shit I had so much more cs mid than I normally do and I felt more confident as to when I could leave lane to back or roam. Thanks Skillcapped 👍
As a jg main this give me new perspective in getting tilted by enemy mid sup and jg ganking me in obj while my mid is taking his time to clear his wave and plates, PROBABLY
Q is typically the main ability, E is typically the secondary, and W is typically some type of utility or movement option. Which is why it’s so strange to me that Morgana’s E is her spell shield and her W is the damage pool. It messes with me.
In this example ahri’s Q is being used on caster minions only, is this on purpose for the demonstration or is there a reason for it? I usually do it on the whole wave then auto or W
I still remember when you could take scaling AP glyphs and seals, hex tech upgrade 1 for 750 gold and 1 shot the entire wave at level7 as Viktor, melees included with upgraded E.
Huh, I've noticed some of this and never put it together that it was intentional design - what does taking minion dematerializer do with each way of using it?
So shaco is a unique champ because if you go ap and first get black flame torch at lvl 5 then you can use one box to complete casters and most of the front line
This is why triple tonic is so good on veigar - getting the point to stack your W up to 3 points at 9 means that you should be able to 1 shot casters at that point
You don't want to one shot casters with Veigar. You want to leave them low enough to last hit with Q. That's his entire schtick. (Unless that's what you meant in which case it's somewhat unclear)
@@DanielRBW Ideally yes - but sometimes, it's very useful to be able to shove the wave harder to match a roam (either by taking turret plates or following). Typically his Q can 1 shot casters here anyway. I really don't find he has enough mana early-mid game that I ever really use W to farm unless I absolutely have to, but it's nice to have a "shove wave and take plate" button if the enemy Katarina or Zed takes a roam I simply cannot follow.
Ziggs couldn't oneshot casters at level 9 without serious money, until like a year ago when his q got 10 damage increase. It was so good this 10 base damage.
I play sion mid, masters players can't do anything when the wave instantly dies and the sion takes zero damage and out trades constantly, can roam with r or take your tower so quickly. Idk why ppl even bother with him top due to terrible top meta for him
You cannot convince me that people can't figure this out just by laning, thus leaving it as something that doesn't NEED to be thought about in the first place, low elo or not.................
playing xerath and not oneshotting casters is pure PAIN long cooldown, high mana, terrible self peel, even vel’koz has an easier time because of W charges letting him get passive and Ziggs because of lower cooldown Q and W self peel
There is at least one mage I can think of that I believe sort of bucks the trend a bit. Lux, because of her passive, can E and then kill the back minions in one auto at... I want to say level five? I might not be right, this is anecdotal at best, and there may be other champs that buck the trend harder that I can't think of. I just have played a lot of Lux.
I miss when akali Q did that :< But they gutted the damage for obvious reasons just hate it that they removed the extra minion damage too... She really is an R bot now
idk man I just right click some stuff and then enemy champions die and I win the game. it just really ain't that deep unless you wanna actively make things more difficult for yourself.
Me with Aatrox at lv 4 trying to kill minions with my Q doing less dmg than my autos in all 3 Q's , sad, Before the P and W changes it was imposibile to kill a super minion while a mage oneshoted the superminion with one ability...
As a jungler, this gives me a new perspective on how to steal cannon minion
😂😂😂
Just smite it if in doubt 😂
cannon tax 😂
Nunu / rammus, smite it while passing by 🎉
do it on my lane and i will run it down
I don’t play mid lane or mages, but I do find it pretty cool that this works out like that.
ye we give riot shit but they definitely put thought into a lot of balancing things like this over the years
No, It don't. You can buy extra dmg items and clear it faster. Or you kassadin/kogmaw or something else which clears with R
@@ksarkieNo 💩 Being fed and buying items changes things, are you mentally challenged?
@@ksarkie but those arent they points or champs hes talking about so idk what your point is
@@SonOfSparda03 totally kassadin clear with R won't let him go gank 🫣
This is why I play sion, you just hold Q and the wave dies or it doesn’t
Usualy e the first melee into q and w is enough to clear the wave till tiamat is bought
@@milonchello1643 buying tiamat? What a waste, your wave clear is good enough, buy bamis cinder if you have to (and are going tank), save that cash for the real deal
@@milonchello1643no one, absolutely no one buys tiamat EARLY on Sion. Titanic Hydra sure, as last item seems cool.
But your Q W base dmg is more than enough.
Watch some baus.
gigachad sion mindset
@@SenatorDodo09 Tiamat is not entirely wrong, it could be build into Titanic hydra for more aa procs either for hitting turret with hullbreaker passive, faster waveclear, or even for sion's passive to kill enemies.
This is why minion demat can be very good on champs like syndra and ahri. They have strange breakpoints for thier waveclear and can with using 2 charges on casters allow you to oneshot casters a level earlier.
Ahri uses 2 on melee, unless behind. Melees die to q+w on 9 that way.
Feels bad reading this comment after the upcoming changes. Looks like minion demat is being dematerialised. RIP
@@RetroCube
I really don't understand why tbh. The rune requires thinking and has a lot of flexible plays and skillful aspects to it.
@@RetroCubei always used it on cannon minion as tf
I used the dematerialisers on ryze on cannons so I could sync them with the rest of the wave more.
Syndra used to oneshot casters with q in level 9. It's been two damn years since that became impossible.
Syndra doesnt need to. And she has two q's. Just be bettee
It definitely doesn’t need to be faster than it already is.
dark seal 10 stacks :>
True, but it also didn't work before the rework.
Which is why you go minion demat
This also depend on how fed you are. If you get your item faster, you clear faster.
U also get xp from kills not just gold. So ud still be lvl 5,7,9 just earlier.
@@keyholer4664you get more gold than xp from a kill compared to what normal waves give. Also specifically on mages dark seal is a thing
@@keyholer4664true
however
minions dont level up in accordance to you, but match time.
so if you level up earlier
you effectively have better clear time cuz you are ahead of your opponent AND the minions' buff up.
cries in veigar needing to setup for Q last hits
Laughs in Veigar with high Q stacks and 1 Shots front with meteor - tagging a caster minion and the other 2 take a Q
Thats missing 4 ap tho?
D: dang it, that is 4 ap... at least the wave was cleared!
@@Inttallity4 ap from passive or over 80 gold, whats better at 7min of the game? 😅
Remember when TF was a mage? I do, I do…
Im still trying to make him work as a mage(but with Nashor’s). As you would expect, it’s pretty hit or miss. Im also not the greatest though
they did tf so bad that his mage build is way weaker before the ad buffs, rip
AP Twisted Fate is still his strongest build mid.
AP TF is strong. People just wanna cheese for free lp.
To be fair he started as a adc with sword of the occult as a recommended item and a passive that gave the team crit before people realized he was a better ap caster.
Ryze: "You guys are allowed to oneshot casters pre-11?"
I remember times when ryze was wave clearing monster after 2-3lvl 😢
Pre rework ryze>>after rework for me
And Q wasnt skillshot. That was awesome, easy poke. Wqe run away😅
Just a tip about Vex in specific, you should always try to line up and use your E first, which will deal some damage and apply Gloom, then use Q, W or AA, which will consume the Gloom, deal extra damage and reduce you abilities and Fear Passive cooldown
Gankplank just laughing you need all this for a fraction of his power
as long as he crits...
@@williamlindroos2250 crit gods are always on the side of the plank lady luck never fails
@@LolMojoJojo ehh noo
@@williamlindroos2250 by mid game he’s got enough for 100% crit anyway lmao he’s one of the Champs that can farm the most efficient
@@LolMojoJojo Yes, waweclear in laningphase has alot to do with full build GP.
Totally dependant of what mage are you playing and the items you may have. And still only works if the enemy is not there.
maybe if you're iron 2.if you're any rank above that,it will work even with the enemy laner.push the wave,crash,take the honeyfruit (if you tracked it properly) and roam
@@aaabbb-zc7sx Sure just ignore that the enemy might have better wave clear and cancel out your wave push or it might be an extremely aggresive assasin and will kill you if you get that close to the wave and expend your main damaging abilities.
You are such a pro of course
@@daleodorito Dont stand in the wave if they have good wave clear. Soak exp if they crash their wave into you. There you go problem solved.
@@mcheimler You're ahri lvl 7, u wanna clear the wave but you are on 60% hp, you're up against a yasuo with full health. Tell me how you reach the backline with Q without being engaged on.
@@KungKokkos lol don’t be ahri vs a Yasmin
I figured that out as a supp playing champs with aoe like lux. A single e won't kill the back line at lvl 3/4 so if the wave is coming toward the turret i can e and the adc can quickly farm to push the wave back.
I play Aurelion so it doesn't work for me 😅
Malzahar at level 2: heheheh
Malzahar at level 2 when the enemy isn't dumb af and actually kills your voidlings: 😢😢😢
@jaxthejaximus6296 if they miss all their last hits because of a single hit on a voidling, then you're playing vs bots.
Voidlings are weak af and die in a single hit. It's a shame. Malz kit in general leaves a LOT to be wanted.
Sivir also lol
Ahri with minion demateliarizer can "skip" one beakpoint, its so broken but nobody goes for it
Unless you are viktor with E augment. Even at level 5 you one shot the caster minions with your E which gives him a big roam power
You don't often get augment that early ln tho. Need to get couple of kills for this, and he doesn't have much kill pressure on level 5 ans earlier on... I can only think about setting a gunk on overstretched opponent with your jungler
My breakpoint for mid as a sylas is 2,3,5. Level 2 (most likely require an ignite) is a kill if you can bait flash early, predict flash, or be patient as most low elo players flash instinctually. 3 is if you failed to kill at level 2 and got their flash, but you also got enough dmg and ways to stick on to the opponent. 5 is the big pick a path moment. Push everything into q and clear wave to roam or empower w to win fights better. All of these levels could also fit into passive playstyle as well. Abuse ur aoe enhance auto to clear like a monster early and just be a 2nd jg or a bodyguard for ur jg.
Luc at level 6 with her 0.0000s CD ult: *Look what they need to mimic a fraction of my power*
me as a lux one trick (proceeds to clear waves with ult and e
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Me a Sylas main, with pea chains as my auto attack and have one short-medium range ability (Q)
This is really good to know for when I somehow get autofilled mid as a support main
Quick question. What do you do if you don’t have as much waveclear either cuz the first skill you level is mostly single target like GP’s Q or Sylas’a W or just DPS or DOT like Azir and A Sol who can’t clear as fast?
Usually it isn't, and those who do usually have weaker early games.
For example, Vladimir.
As an Azir/Malzahar player, I was an exception lol. Azir doesn’t have the dmg to 2 shot at lvl 5 and Malzahar’s ability to kill the back line is tied to his 1st burn item. Just use this as an example: these tips are generalizations. Not always the best in every situation and do not apply to every mid laner, just the majority.
"move around the map" proceed to get gànk àt dragon with xeràth
meh, its a good theory but in reality there is differences depending items and when you hit these lvls. this leads to where you onshot on one wave and the next being too tanky to do it. its a good rule of thumb but something you have to learn for every champ individually
These shorts are good but do you have anything specific to playing Karthus?
I just tried this and holy shit I had so much more cs mid than I normally do and I felt more confident as to when I could leave lane to back or roam. Thanks Skillcapped 👍
As a jg main this give me new perspective in getting tilted by enemy mid sup and jg ganking me in obj while my mid is taking his time to clear his wave and plates, PROBABLY
meanwhile me,an azir main
pretty sure that yasuo aint letting me push lane that like
Thats cool. But what about Lane's where you ACTUALLY staying against someone
Q is typically the main ability, E is typically the secondary, and W is typically some type of utility or movement option. Which is why it’s so strange to me that Morgana’s E is her spell shield and her W is the damage pool. It messes with me.
In this example ahri’s Q is being used on caster minions only, is this on purpose for the demonstration or is there a reason for it? I usually do it on the whole wave then auto or W
Seraphine used to shove casters and almost meles with E QQ at level 5, before farming nerfs
I still remember when you could take scaling AP glyphs and seals, hex tech upgrade 1 for 750 gold and 1 shot the entire wave at level7 as Viktor, melees included with upgraded E.
Are these points assuming average Ap items for that time or no items?
Huh, I've noticed some of this and never put it together that it was intentional design - what does taking minion dematerializer do with each way of using it?
So shaco is a unique champ because if you go ap and first get black flame torch at lvl 5 then you can use one box to complete casters and most of the front line
As Anivia main I don't got such problems.
Getting early evolved E with Viktor feels so POWERFUL just for this
ahri casually hugging the river while going up for no reason with no mana is crazy
I don't play mid but I do this in other lanes. I'm in low elo and I do think about this.
This is why triple tonic is so good on veigar - getting the point to stack your W up to 3 points at 9 means that you should be able to 1 shot casters at that point
You don't want to one shot casters with Veigar. You want to leave them low enough to last hit with Q. That's his entire schtick. (Unless that's what you meant in which case it's somewhat unclear)
@@DanielRBW Ideally yes - but sometimes, it's very useful to be able to shove the wave harder to match a roam (either by taking turret plates or following). Typically his Q can 1 shot casters here anyway.
I really don't find he has enough mana early-mid game that I ever really use W to farm unless I absolutely have to, but it's nice to have a "shove wave and take plate" button if the enemy Katarina or Zed takes a roam I simply cannot follow.
I like doing Karma mid for this reason, I just zoom to a side, R+Q at 5-6 and later just start throwing Qs at the caster minions
some character that has unordinary damage skills like Zoe or Ekko reachs those breaking points earlier (not sure about zoe but Ekko surely does)
Ziggs couldn't oneshot casters at level 9 without serious money, until like a year ago when his q got 10 damage increase. It was so good this 10 base damage.
As a new player last hitting minions is my huge problem
As an Aurelion Sol I dont understand this.
I use the same cast to harrast the other mid lane and wipe the entire minions wave at the same time
Does it work for sylas?
With Morgana you can kill them with 3 points in W. So lvl 4 or 5. Depending on if you need black shield in lane.
Is there something similar for bottom ads? Farming around low elo supports is weird
What if we’re level 9 and it still takes 3 abilities to kill caster wave?
you didnt mention the main reason you can oneshot the back line is items. base stats wont be doing that
Syndras q is very good even if u dont oneshot them u can use e on enemy or hold for zoning
This is really neat! Thanks
Actually useful info thats not only applicable to mid
I play sion mid, masters players can't do anything when the wave instantly dies and the sion takes zero damage and out trades constantly, can roam with r or take your tower so quickly. Idk why ppl even bother with him top due to terrible top meta for him
As an Annie main, I hate these breakpoints. Unless I max W, I don't get these benefits, and it fuckin' sucks.
I kinda do that subconsciously and pretty much never noticed it lol
You cannot convince me that people can't figure this out just by laning, thus leaving it as something that doesn't NEED to be thought about in the first place, low elo or not.................
Sion: E, Q, W, entire wave cleared lvl 6.
Being a talon main and wanting to perma roam, this is useful
playing xerath and not oneshotting casters is pure PAIN
long cooldown, high mana, terrible self peel, even vel’koz has an easier time because of W charges letting him get passive and Ziggs because of lower cooldown Q and W self peel
There is at least one mage I can think of that I believe sort of bucks the trend a bit. Lux, because of her passive, can E and then kill the back minions in one auto at... I want to say level five? I might not be right, this is anecdotal at best, and there may be other champs that buck the trend harder that I can't think of. I just have played a lot of Lux.
Ahri can do it at level 7 with 1 minion dematerializer used on casters
Why would u “know” that you gonna clear the wave faster. What about “seeing” it in action
Because you can play your base timers around that.
As a Viktor player, this rule doesn't rly apply since it depends of your kills or assist
Viktor after e upgrade at lvl 5 has no prob only prob is get 2 takedowns and good cs some pro viktors can do this easily
So that’s why I had specific ease in apc lanes at those levels.
I miss when akali Q did that :< But they gutted the damage for obvious reasons just hate it that they removed the extra minion damage too... She really is an R bot now
I just hit grandmaster as an otp Ekko mid. The game is soo different at this level….
Ekko back in ss6 and ss7 can 1 Q caster at lvl 1. Sadly the change the rune system :(
idk man I just right click some stuff and then enemy champions die and I win the game. it just really ain't that deep unless you wanna actively make things more difficult for yourself.
Mahlz gotta level his q for that to be wirth it.
Then again he has voidlings
Me with Aatrox at lv 4 trying to kill minions with my Q doing less dmg than my autos in all 3 Q's , sad, Before the P and W changes it was imposibile to kill a super minion while a mage oneshoted the superminion with one ability...
Not me on lux one shotting the wave before it even gets to lane with ult
Laugh in Malzhar, i see the wave, i press E + W, then i can roam and farm at the same time
Xerath hasn’t been able to oneshot the back line casters for a while.
Yeah, I feel cool now because I clear my waves ez like this as a new SR mid-lane player. (I spammed ARAM & bot matches for years lol)
As a Lux main I need only one E for casters or E+R for the whole wave so this video makes no sense to me.
I don"t think about it, I just shoot and see how much hp they have left
I noticed something like that but i didn't knew it was like that
So as a top laner, these level spikes are when i should be aware of a royal rumble coming to top lane😂
This perfeckly work with dari q.(Sharp part)
Level 4 Mordekaisar with a blasting wand and a book: Pathetic
bit stupid.. it depends on the gold you have. it depends on the champion. and it can even depend on your rune (minion demat anyone)
but i play asol, does it matter then?
HOW DO I GET THAT SEJUANI EMOTE I AM BEGGING YOU PLEASE
I am not a mid main but if i get mid or want to play mid ı play aurelion sol or azir but ty
Did some1 mentioned AP nasus?
This is why I love Ekko. He 1 shot casters at lv7 with enough AP
With enough AP everyone oneshots.
@@Chaka1337 For Ekko it's 120 AP. Which is very realistic at current meta
no way you snuck in an anime rant mid video 💀
Akali is the only champ that leaves casters at all stages of the game at 1% hp with her Q.
Introducing demats calculus to hit you with a super hard Headache.
Will this help my teammates not go 0-12?
Yeah this is why I don't really like Annie that much... her waveclear is one of the worst after Leblanc... W does very little dmg :/
i didn't know this accurately, but i know how my champ clears most of the time!
or play vegair who if you can farm like 60 stack you can with Q maybe do onetap to casters
Your main ability will one shot the back line! *cries in katarina q damage*
Nunu w can insta clean caster minions at level 1.
Joke on you, Zoe 1 Q max range kill all caster minions