Are we more just than God?! Shamsi and Visitor Speakers Corner
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Alhumdullilah for Islam
amir asahd Ameen
What's more ridiculous than this jew's argument is that he is gonna walk around free
oooy did someone say FREE???
@@DarkCrusade LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
every human being the right exist and freewill, killing innocent people for have different believes and opinion is wrong.
@@DarkCrusade HAHAHAHA
Shamsi is a powerhouse. Wish he had his own tv channel
He has his TH-cam channel.
A X dusDawah
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I can't find it
@@ringmaster996 type DUSdawah
raise your standards
well done shamsi!!! this fella needs to be put on the watch list
skilla b but nooooooo
he is a jew...
if they do it'll be anti-sematic
Him and 12m others?
@@DDDSSDDDSSDDDSSfortunately for him and tge 12m others are exempt, watch list only for Muslims
وَإِذَا فَعَلُوا فَاحِشَةً قَالُوا وَجَدْنَا عَلَيْهَا آبَاءَنَا وَاللَّهُ أَمَرَنَا بِهَا ۗ قُلْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَأْمُرُ بِالْفَحْشَاءِ ۖ أَتَقُولُونَ عَلَى اللَّهِ مَا لَا تَعْلَمُونَ (28)
And when they commit an immorality, they say, "We found our fathers doing it, and Allah has ordered us to do it." Say, "Indeed, Allah does not order immorality. Do you say about Allah that which you do not know?"
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had a question regarding this matter. maybe a brother knows the answer to this.
Didnt Allah (swt) commanded Prophet Ibrahim (as) to sacrifices his Son ? I know Allah (swt) saved him from this test, however the point is that Allah commanded Prophet Ibrahim (as) to do such a thing in the first place right ? now the verse you posted is very beautiful and clear but it also contradicts the story of Prophet Ibrahim (as) regarding this matter.
@@xXxFirewalkerxXx I'm not a scholar, but just as you said, it's a test to see how pious prophet Ibrahim is. Of course Allah won't allow the killing of babies, so it's just to see if prophet Ibrahim would do it even if we think it's wrong. And as you can see clearly, Allah stopped him, after prophet Ibrahim was about to follow the command.
@@-AEON- I agree with you bt the verse says ''Indeed, Allah does not ORDER immorality.'' I know that Allah (swt) did stop him and it was just a test but it doesnt change the fact that Allah (swt) gave the order in the first place right ?
@@xXxFirewalkerxXx You're right it doesn't, but we don't go and use an "if" senario of me following Allah in killing a child because he orders me to do it, to show how religious and pious I am. I respect the Jewish guy, but it was a bad example of showing you're loyalty and it doesn't change the fact that Allah clearly states that we shouldn't kill innocent people in the Quran, so I'm with you regarding you're opinion and peace be upon you mate.
Thank Allah for islam against falsehood.
Alhamdulillah for Islam
I see you Osmana in the video lol 😂 😂 😂....
@@mohammedimran-ow6je 😂😂
Osama your that guy in the video 😂😂😂😂bro you where standing silent for 15 min 😂😂😂😂
@@abdullahmubarak6948 i was gaining knowledge akhi
Osama yea i got you man where are you from
Argument from fitrah is a really powerful one. SobhannAllah.
@@snowstreams7503 The story of Ibraheem, peace be upon him, wouldn't be significant if it weren't for the fitrah that tells you killing children is wrong. At the end of the day, his son wasn't killed because Allah is al-Adl, or the Just, which supports the notion that the fitrah is significant because here we have Allah appealing to our nature of what is good and not letting Ibraheem kill his son. To say that Ibraheem would have killed him if Allah didn't stop him is baseless, because I think the opposite.
You're better off arguing about Khidr, in the Qur'an, who was a man (we don't know how status in the eyes of God) that was commanded to do things that were against the fitrah, such as killing a kid, and the justification given was because of some future good.
This is different than killing the caananites, because the justification was that their fathers sinned, which doesn't make any sense. In the story of Khidr, he did something contrary to his fitrah but the reason for it was revealed, and it was a good reason, which makes the action moral. The same cannot be said for the Canaanites.
Moral of the story? If you're commanded to do something clearly wrong, like killing a baby, because God told you to and you weren't told the reason, then don't do it. This could be why Allah stopped Ibraheem.
@@snowstreams7503 Wallahi I'm inclined to agree with you, but It's definitely a different opinion that I hold of the importance of the story of Ibraheem, peace be upon him. You are right, Snow Streams, because I did challenge Shamsi's criticism of the Jew in the video in my mind when I listened to it. I'm at a loss, though, about the benefit of the story of Ibraheem. Is the only benefit of the story of Ibraheem and Ismaeel that we should obey Allah despite our fitrah or is it _"Allah won't make you do something against your clear fitrah (unless it's for a good, _*_revealed_*_ reason like the case of Khidr)."_ If I'm wrong, you should be able to provide a command from the Qur'an or Hadith that goes against our clear fitrah. Could you provide an example of something in Qur'anic commandments or Hadith commandments that go against our fitrah? Something as clear as killing a baby would be helpful, inshallah.
In addition, you mentioned the point of argument should be that the reason given to kill the caananites was a bad reason, but this would have to be based on our fitrah, wouldn't it? It couldn't be based off of Qur'anic revelation, because then it would be pointless to argue about it. If you want to argue that it's not the killing of the baby that's against the fitrah, but the terrible reasoning, that's fine but that means that in this case, their fitry understanding of right and wrong logic overrides their commandment from _"God."_
How could anyone ever reach Islam if their fitrah didn't challenge their God?
@@snowstreams7503 Great response, thank you. Everyone knows more than me about this sobhannAllah. I am still very much inclined to agree with you and I wanted to raise this questions to Shamsi because it seemed inconsistent.
@@helsharidy123 the Jews committed and committing #GENOCIDE, wrote it in their Book and blamed it on God.
In the Bible who is Jesus talking about being the children of the Devil, murderers? If not this Jew
and his kind
*_You belong to your father, the devil,_*_ and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a _*_murderer_*_ from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies._ John 8:44
I think the best way to destroy this Jewish guy argument is to debunk is claim of OT being a revelation from The Creator from the get go
Yes br shamsi , Alhmdulillah for Islam.
The Jewish guy has this sick psycho killer logic. He said he feels it is wrong but logically he can justify it.
What a sicko!
O Khan his argument is just that god knows better then humans thus if god says something one should listen. That humans cant depend on themselves. Forexample in Abraham and the story where he almost kills his son
@@jona7200 that would logically allow anyone to kill whomever one wants if one claim that it is from God.
This is why Shamsi brought up the innate nature of humans, which has been given to us humans by God. With this we can distinguish between fals Gods and fals religions.
The jews argument is weak and only based on him believing in his scripture without (so I claim) putting it to the test!
BLMbeats that was a test and Allah never let him actually do it because like shamsi said, Allah does not oppress! So no your argument is very weak and your example actually goes against you
@@jona7200 did God let that happen? No. But here you are telling to actually do it and let them to do it to all arabs. So your saying that logic is right? Then according to the law of every country (besides Jewish) this is murder and genocide
@@sahararestaurant7620 what i am saying is that Allah tested Abraham (PBUH) to see if he obeyed no matter what. Abraham (PBUH) was prepared to do it. And subhan allah, Allah stopped him, beacuse the point was prooven. What would happen if he refused?
OMG imagine if a Muslim said that 😱
imagine if a muslim said like that..😒
@@voteukip658 thank you for proving my point..
@@voteukip658 a self confessed false flag JEWISH troll
@@voteukip658 talk to the hand exposed Jew Troll
@@Ninialzh what?
@@voteukip658 what a bunch of nonsense.
Islam forever ♥️
Killing a child isn't an action that befits God's majesty, he is high, above and perfect from any deficiency you ascribe to him.
Well done br Shamsi for exposing their (Jews) lies and oppression.
Complete and utter misguidance from this Jew. It's actually quite scary people think like this.
Chrishitians George Talking-to-a-Bush and Tony BeLIAR said God spoke to them to attack Iraq ... scared
@pseudoswitch next Israel prime minister watch list
If what he said is scary then you should be scared of the Quran because it says that Allah rained down the flood and only Nuh and his family were saved , which means that the rest of the world which include *babies* , children and even animals , died by Allah .
@@osherbe3159 liar the Quran never says to kill innocent people and children, give the verse where it's Allah killed children
@@damxcv I didn't say the Quran commands to kill innocent people , I said that at the time of Noah when G-d rained down the flood then clearly children and babies were killed .
Alhamdulilah for Islam.
Mashallaah
even to justifiying bad thing he need to lie and struggling, alhamdulillah im muslim 10:33
Yooo, I love shamsi! He's clever and entertaining to watch. May Allah preserve him.
may Allah give good health to bro shamsi to spread truth. people can see the different between islam and other religion by having dialogue.
Son shall not bear the inequities of the father nor vice versa but the same god says to kill the infant for their forefathers crime.
الحمد لله for Islam
Well said brother. 👍
Muzzamil Mohamed Ameen
Was gonna comment the same thing but I read your comment. It clearly shows that God in the old testament contradicts himself
Alhamdulillah for Islam... It is clear
Alhamdulillah for Islam 😊☝️❤️
Basically running in circles here. The brother answered the questions and he goes back and rephrases it somehow.
.....debate no.3 , there's definitely barakat in that drink to last throughout all 3 😅...
May Allah keep us on Islam till Qiyamat. Alhamdulillah
Long live Palestine ✌️🇯🇴
May God bless Br Shamsi with wisdom, sincerity & knowledge .AaminX3
Alhamdulliha every muslim do at least sajda e shukr for giving us beautiful religion Islam. Shukr ya Allah
woow!!! Brother Samsi....u r good.
Brother Shamsi has cleared it with the verse he recited, and Allah does not oppress his servants, also Allah says that he commands us to stablish Justice and to do what is good and correct and does not commands us to do what is immoral and evil
May God protect u and make ur dawah successful
Alhamdulillah for islam...
Subhan Allah may Allah bless you shamsi ❤
Alhamdulilah for Islam
ALHAMDULLILAH AMEEN brother Shamsi DAWAH strengthen day by day INSHA TRUE GEM to this ummah may ALLAH SAW ALWAYS PROTECT him INSHA ALLAH AMEEN
Jews showing their true colors. Doesnt happen often..
Bravo approvo i love Allah Forever ❤️
ALHAMDULILLA for Islam 💞
They are one eyed from the beginning......thank you Allah the Lord of the world for giving me Islam .....
Alhamdoulilah for ISLAM
"Look after yourself " man Shamsi is the best
اللهم انصر دينك وكتابك وسنة نبيك صلى الله عليه وسلم
الحمد لله على النعمة الإسلام مشاء الله أخي شمسي حفظك الله رب العالمين لا إلله إلا الله محمد رسول الله
They have never done one thing which god told them since day one.
That’s why they are cursed and talk sick. Asstughfarullah
Mashala my brother I’m kurdish i love u man ❤❤❤
One allah islam jindabad.. ☝☝💪
One allah islam jindabad.. ☝☝💪
Royal Muslim's.... ☝☝💪💪💪
I'm from India.. 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳💪💪
الحمد لله على نعمة الاسلام و السنة
Brother Shamsi barakAllahu feek for all your efforts - week after week, month after month mA - wAllahi we're blessed to have you and may Allah preserve you and grant you all goodness
Just a reminder iA We have to be careful not to let our emotions drive our efforts in dawah, especially since anger is so easily misdirected. And to never insult people as the Prophet, alayhi salatu w salaam, never, ever abused anyone subhanAllah. Allah tells us that by returning harm with good we can turn our enemies into friends bi'ithnillah. And to not be harsh as that would only drive people away.
To plant the seed of resentment in someone's heart is already a big problem but what's worse is to do so while inviting to Allah as the person may associate that ill feeling with Islam
The evil of becoming arrogant and resentful toward your opponents in debates is a real threat to the sincerity and health of our hearts
W Asalaam alaykum w rahmatullah
Mashyallah..
How can someone be so blind and they blame Muslims for being ignorant
I love you man ypu doing great great job
Islam is d right religion that teach u hw to deal with different issue that came up
May Allah blessings be upon u brother ❤️
Wow that is honestly sickening to listen to
Killing babies if God turned the. Table how u feel which we read in books
JazakAllah bro Shamsi.
Thank Allah for Islam
Mashallah shamsi brother irfan sulehrya frim pakistan i like you
God never command u to do something evil or unjust . There is a difference between the one who follow God’s commands and the one who follow the devil 👿 orders
SAM DAWAH this video should go #viral SHAER IT WITH ALL the other CHANNELS
Msha allah bro i like your dawah
MashaAllah may Allah help you brother but it is easy for us if you give subtitle in bottom.
جزاكم الله خير
May Allah guide us all
Shamsi❤
Allhamdulliah for islam
Islam ٱلْـحَـمْـدُ للهِ
we clearly see who muslims are and christians/jews! Allah ou akbar!
May Allah bless u akhi shamsi lion of salifiyah
We need to have that Jewish man arrested...any Public arrest will do!
Isn't "thou shalt not kill" one of the 10 commandments?
Well that commandment went right over his head..🙄
that is contradicted
When I read that ALLAH Subhanahu Wa Talah said to the muslims to be patient amd npt worry about what this people are saying or the atrocities they are doing because HR will deal with them in a very Mighty way that the human mind cant comprehend and that HIS Anger is over them, I was not worried anymore about what they do....Muslims be one and dont support them in what they do because you will answer to what u have done.May ALLAH protect us and help those who are oppressed.Ameen
mashallah
Al hamdoullillah iam muslim
MashAllah
one word christianity BLIND FAITH!
This is a perfect example of the verse of Allah 'يُحَرِّفُونَ الْكَلِمَ عَن مَّوَاضِعِهِ' -the Jews of old and today are the same. He bought a correct principle that our human minds cannot comprehend the wisdom of Allah, but used it in a deviated way to justify the killing of innocent child.
jazaak ALLAH Bhai I am from India
The Jewish guy he's the one who speaks emotionally but he didn't realise that because there's a veil on his eyes he can not see the clear sun.
I came across this verse every time and i can realise it clearly in reality. (deaf dumb blind; nor they can understand. )
Alhamd lillah for Islam.
Good Mohammad Muslim
Jews are not following neither the revealed Torah, nor the Zaboor or even guidances of the 8 Almighty's Prophets before the coming of Jesus (pbut), instead they follow their 70 rabbis' Talmod (made in Babylon) and the corrupted Torah... Lost righteous ppl...
Exactly !!!!!
Love u shamsi
Islam is the only one☝🏿
Alhumdolilah 4 islam
BARAKAALLAH fik my brother SHAMSI, walahi this Jewish man his privileged to have a conversation with you. normally he need to have a shower before he stand next to you and to pay you for learning about the proper religion. if i was there definitely i slap him on face, because he knows what you saying is the truth but he's trying to justify it, means if he does something wrong for his benefit it's ok, NO sorry, not what you doing in Palestine. ضهراء الحق و زهقاء الباطل ان الباطل كنا زهوقا
ALLAH is the greatest ✌🇵🇸 🇵🇸 🇵🇸
Justifying child murder and oppression! And they have the gall to abuse Islam!
Allhumdu lillah for Islam brothers 😁😁
Love from pakistan 🇵🇰🇵🇰🇵🇰💞💞💞
I love how adept Shamsi is in choosing the first question he starts off with. Here he starts off with "are we more just than God?". The other guy knew at that moment he was going to drown in this debate.
By the way, Shamsi is referring to the command in Old Testament to kill from a people called Amalekites.
And Samuel said to Saul, “The Lord sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel; now therefore listen to the words of the Lord. Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’” (1 Sam 15:1‑3)
ALLAHU AKBAR
BROTHER Can i upload your videos on my youtube chennel i want your permission please bro
Alhamdullah.
He's not wrong if God did command us to do something. So it's objective in a moral sense.
الان عرفت من أين اخذ التشيع الرافضي منهج الثاراث و الانتقام و قتل ذراري من يسمونهم قتلة الحسين رضي الله عنه ،فمن يعرف ان اصل التشيع هو عبد اللات ابن سبأ اليهودي لن يستغرب لمنهج الشيعة اليهودي .
Please everyone come to Islam the true religion!
Please brother shamsi stay humble
The jew follows blind faith
No they’re waiting for their messiah dajjal
Nature vs nurture. Girl in Australia lived with dogs since early childhood and became just like them.
Br Shamsi just destroyed this guy by logic. God is just and merciful. From the Holy Quran “This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion(5:3)
alhamdulillahi people can see this clearly
لا حول و لا قوة الا بالله.... الله اكبر
sam .. I love you when you read the Quran. It is their biggest argument