Will I go to jail for my cat?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2024
- On June 17, 2024 my ten-pound, black fluff-ball of a cat, Ichabod Roswell Carney-Krantz, was sleeping in the bushes in front of my house when he got attacked by a pit bull. Ichabod had a chance to flee to safety, but for reasons that are locked behind his inscrutable yellow eyes, he decided to instead defend himself. In the ensuing melee, the woman who was walking her dog kicked him and the dog bit and flipped him into the air. In a desperate attempt to extricate himself from the situation, Ichabod bit the dog’s owner on the leg. I heard the whole thing unfold and rushed outside. It was over in seconds.
My security camera captured the whole event.
This was just the beginning of a legal drama that will continue to unfold over the next several months.
Pursuing the case will likely take weeks or months. It could cost a lot of money. And it will certainly take up a lot of my time. It will also, potentially, be an amazing educational opportunity to see how the court process works first hand. Even though this is only a cat bite case, I feel intense pressure to take a plea deal that I know in my heart is not the truth of what happened.
I haven’t made a final decision yet. So I'd like to ask what YOU think I should do. Do I hire a world-class legal team, bring in animal behavioral psychologists, build scale models of my property lines, and make this the cat show trial of the century? Or do I play it safe, pay up, and go quietly into the night?
I will take your comments seriously. I still have a few days to make up my mind.
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Hi Scott, it looks like you raised your own bar.
The quality of your videos and content has been noticeable the last 4 months. Or am I just having a Seniors moment? 😄
Your video topics have been interesting.
And the length of those videos seems to be appropriate for the "message" that you're conveying ie. 10 minutes vs 30 minutes.
I hate channels that pump out standard 30 - 40 minute videos just for the sake of putting out a longer video (not sure of the logic there) where they take that long to say what could have been said in 10 minutes.
Savvy? 😇👍
Cheers from a Canuck fan.
If they want vet bills covered then agree to cover each others (they pay for your cats bill) or to just cover your own, no fault and dismiss.
Glad your cat is ok. Pay the 300 and be done with it. You got a good story out of it, and you now know what a bad ass Ichabod is. You won. 🎉
“I spoke to four lawyers.” I’m on the floor laughing.
If you're not a lawyer, I recommend settling. Court proceedings are WAY MORE COMPLEX than laypeople realize.
Dog was poorly trained; cat was defending itself. It's a defense. Human's are allowed to defend themselves however the responsibility is with the dog owner for CAUSING this.
I agree.
Her response didn’t seem to provoke or even show intent between the two animals, only when kicking at the cat. And that was a defending reaction. But it would seem that her wounds were caused by her. But who knows how a person will respond to an attack on their beloved animal. And we should keep in mind that they are animals. I have a friend that owns two dogs who got into a fight. She attempted to break it up and nearly lost her thumb.
Understanding would be the most prudent approach here.
In defense of the cat in my experience they do instinctively protect their home - my cat has attacked a border collie and 2 foxes that were eying off chickens on its property :D
And that's just when I've been watching :P
Were I in this position I'd probably go to court to ensure Ichabod was safe but I'd also pay the woman's bills
@@sgcarney Is the verge outside your fence classed as your property?
@@sgcarney The dog could have run away and so could the dog owner.
Just because it is a cat it is expected that it should be the one to back down even though it is on it's territory?
The dog was out of control growling snarling and barking at the cat. The Cat having nowhere to retreat to, as it is already at home, has nothing left to do but make a stand.
As a layperson my opinion is to take the reasonable deal just because the lady said it was her fault. I don't know how true it is anymore, but cats used to have free reign & dogs needed to be controlled. Also animals do not reason like humans so we kind of have to take responsibility for their actions. I would love an Ichabod T-shirt!
In the UK, Dogs are pets you are responsible for. Cats are wild animals that free roam and happen to live with humans. There is no legal responsibility for owners on cat's behaviour. They are wild animals. I've tried telling my cat what to do but not much happened 🤣
Wow that is really fucked up. That would also mean that cats are not property and can be stolen with no recourse.
They are property. You just aren't legally responsible for their actions. I assume because the assumption is they are not in your control unlike a dog.
@@MatthewAdams0 That is disgusting. If they are your property then you should be responsible for them.
Check your leash laws. Most states require that all animals be on a leash. If so take the plea deal
Cats are not required to be on leash in Denver.
Poor cat. Poor you. What a terrible story. 😢
Poor cat? It attacked this woman and her dog.
@@vids595 The animals had a scrap, the woman kicked the cat and he bit her. I might bite someone if they kicked me and I’m much less cat than I am human.
I hope your cats okay! We love our pets but they're wild at heart. I once watched a small terrier escape from its owner at a park. It lunged at a pitbull, and the pitbull tore it to pieces. I still remember hearing the screams from the children who watched it go down.
Omg that’s horrible.
cats are extremely tough robust animals. they can take way more abuse than most people can even imagine. the cat is fine.
Her dog was on a leash, she could have dragged it away, this is absolutely nuts.
Or he could have kept his animal on his own property.
@@vids595 The dog is five times the cats size and is walking past the cat's house. The dog owner should have walked away instead of trying to break up fighting animals. You NEVER try to referee. Always get away, and get your leashed pet away. How is this not the dog owner's fault.
@@jakevendrotti1496 What does the size difference matter? The dog was attacked. I would not turn heel and flee while actively being attacked. It is not the dog owners fault because the dog and its owner were in public, the cat was not kept on it's owners property, and the cat attacked.
The video shows that she did exactly that.
I'll say it again, if a woman cannot easily over power their dog, she should not own it let alone walk it.
@@WaterMalone42 ... If ANYBODY cannot control an animal they should not have it, not just women and dogs
@@penguinfromtheholy , that goes without saying. But you know this type of thing is alot less likely to happen with men.
@@WaterMalone42 I had the same impression but you can see that she is able to pull her dog away. No case there
My question is more if the sidewalk is really so close to the fence or she had no business being there
@@Kaidohoobel she did pull away at a minimum but pulling in this instance is not enough. I think she lacked the dexterity and the strength to reel in the leash and firmly grasp the dog collar. Ideally you want to get the front legs off the ground and have full control of the dog. I'm guessing the dog was just doing dog things, picking up scents and smells, looking for spots to pee and came upon the cat in the bush by accident then all hell broke loose. Both pets learned a valuable lesson that day as did their owners.
Or MAN
Icabod chose to stand and fight, as was his right. I respect his decision and I respect and admire him. However, I do not think we should emulate him.
The cat attacked, then attacked again. And it was on public property.
@@vids595 the dog started it.
@@therabbithat Nope. The video is started after the initial attack.
@@vids595 delulu
This is the greatest video on TH-cam
“The charge of the lite brigade” 😅
He's a brave little dude.
@@sgcarney You are conflating bravery with aggression.
I hope your cat is ok? She's seriously taking you to court for this?
I'm seriously going to court. Yes. It's insane.
Well his cat did attack someone, completely unprovoked, and on public property.
@@vids595her dog alarmed a cat sleeping on it's own property... How is this hard
@@jakevendrotti1496 Alarmed? It was sleeping on public property, on the outside of the fence, and it being alarmed is not justification for attacking. How is this hard?
what are the laws in your area for untethered pets? The woman kicked your cat and then her dog flipped your cat. Why did the woman feel the need to kick a cat when she has a pit bull? Your cat bit her after she kicked it. Figure out the pet leash laws first, then go from there. Best of luck to you and I hope Ichabod RCK is doing well. I don't think he is going to sleep out there in the future.
If it really is a pitbull, then sec 8-55 (d. 7) requires it to have a muzzle.
Questionable also if Scott's property ends with fence or with a road. If he owns after fence, then dog bit on his territory, so the liability would be on her (if you could make a case that biting a cat is same as biting a human - didn't check if that is clarified, since this argument is probably too late to use)
It is very clearly not a pitbull, not that it should matter at all. She obviously felt the need to kick it because it was attacking her dog.
@@Kaidohoobel Even is cities where the property boundaries include the sidewalk, the sidewalk is still a public easement.
@@vids595It absolutely matters whether it's a pitbull. Pitbulls are illegal in Europe, period.
I'm still a bit confused about the details but it sounds like your cat was the aggressor. Being woken from sleep in public property I don't think would require self defense. Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, I think you should take the deal.
He intentionally does not show the video of the initial attack. His cat attacked someone on public property.
@@vids595you don't know but assume his intent 🤦♂️ great job
@@jakevendrotti1496 I dont have to assume anything. Simply watch the video.
Yes go to court. Free Ichabod.
I thought this was going to be a non-story, but honestly it's great. This is how you make a mountain out of a molehill in a way that is insightful. I love your style of presenting a narrative and I wish good health for you and your cat :)
The woman should be sued for what she and her dog did to the cat?
Yeah right? What is the world coming to if you are held responsible for what your cat does when you let it wonder the neighbourhood?
Ichabod's freedom matters
This is true.
Have you talked to the Legal Eagal? If not you should
@legaleagle Let's Go!!!
Fight or flight it's an autonomic response. Your cat is innocent.
But it started the fight.
Cats while commonly outside are actually an invasive species that are responsible for the death of billions of birds and small mammals outside each year. The dog while not perfectly behaved was on a leash. Your cat should be kept indoors for his an the environment’s safety.
I am the cat lady, and ha e been bit a million times and counting...it's not all that now. Just be sure to clean well after being bitten,in the rare cases theirs bacteria that can harm you.
This should have been released on April 1st. So much so that I had to check the date.
Scott, tough call. The reason why you couldn’t talk was obviously because it didn’t feel right to plead guilty and you did the right thing. But taking this all the way to a trial is costing more than just your time and your money, right? It’s not your fault and the woman is an a** for doing what she did, and you certainly have a right to take this all the way to trial. I’m just saying, take it to trial for all the right reasons, not just to see how our justice system works. You’re really good at what you do, so I would rather see you back at it than deal with this idiot human. And I say that for my own selfish reasons because I truly appreciate your content. ❤
Right, how dare that woman be attacked by his cat.
this is such a comically US of A thing. crazy gun culture and crazy litigation culture
Going to try to think about this as if I were prosecuting you. Before I do that, I should preface this by stating I have nothing against you or your animal. I will say this though. The clip you show is far far too short, as it should have started before before the owner and her dog approached your home to see if there's any aggravating factors committed by the dog or dog owner beforehand.
While the dog may have stuck it's head in the bush it could be argued that both the owner and the dog remain standing on the sidewalk up until the cat charges. Also, before the cat charges, it seems like the owner has regained control over her dog and is retreating, making them fully and unmistakably on a public easement, making neither a threat by the time cat rounds on the dog
Now for my personal opinion.
These things happen. A dog that has animal aggressive tendencies should not be brought into public spaces until it has been trained out to an acceptable level, however I think it's also irresponsible on your part to let your cat be outside unsupervised and unrestrained in such an urban environment that is clearly going to have passers by.
If it were me. I would take the $300 because I think you were both in the wrong ethically to a similar extent, but I think she may be more in the legal right. The very best I could see is that the judge rules you both equally responsible and drops the case or has you both pay each other an amount. On the other end I could easily see a jury raising the amount you are to pay.
I would just take the plea deal so long as it doesn't stipulate you euthanize or give up your cat. If so I would take it to the bitter end.
I agree with this, the cat went for the dog. Both animals went a bit nuts, the lady did her best acting under stress. But the court thing is silly. Settle the case and build a catio to keep your cat safe.
Bizarre situation; makes one question how efficiently judicial resources are being spent.
But, why did your cat bite that lady? I didn't even know that was a thing. Did it bite before or after it was attacked by that dog?
Stay tuned. All is explained in the video. (And on substack right now)
The cat as first to attack, he starts showing the video a bit after the incident began.
The woman kicked the cat after her dog started barking at it and she was unable to restrain her dog. Despite it being on a leash. The cat bit her to protect its life. Her giant foot, which is the size of the cat, hit the cat. She's out of her mind looking for money. Pathetic.
@@jakevendrotti1496 No, she kicked the cat after it attacked her dog and in no way was it protecting its life, it could have ran away at any time.
I think the sign is a mistake. Just like beware of dog signs.
"Oh so you know the animal is dangerous? Interesting."
At least that is the logic I have heard from lawyers online.
In Denver having a sign up protects from liability. Laws are what they are.
@@sgcarney Sure, in the case that someone enters your property, not an innocent person walking by on the sidewalk.
@@vids595was this you walking by with your dog on a leash and not controlling it? You're just really invested in this, you're also wrong in all of your comments.
@@jakevendrotti1496 I'm not an old lady, just a person with common sense.
Can’t help it, I’ve stood for my principals every damn time. Can’t say it has ever gotten me anywhere, other than a reduced sentence/fine.
By unbuckling my seatbelt at a red light to reach the passenger floorboard, where a roll of tape had fallen that I needed to tape an envelope closed so I could drop it in the drive-up mailbox 40’ away, I spent over a year in court & served 3 days in jail.
If you want to stand on principle, you’ll probably need a lawyer. But then, I remember my dad fought a speeding ticket with legal representation & a jury… his fine ended up tripling.
I will definitely get a lawyer if I pursue the trial.
@@sgcarney Then I wish you luck & a jury full of cat ladies.
With every video, I love you even more.
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If someone was trying to hold a pitbull away from me, but I was trying to fight the dog anyway, and that person, having no hands free to push me, kicked me away instead, I'd thank her.
It wouldn't matter how it got started. She kept the dog. With no hands free, the only option to try to keep the cat feom doing something crazy was to kick it.
The cat was attacking. She was self defending.
I'm afraid of dogs and as a cyclist, runner and hiker, have been attacked many times by dogs. But fair is fair.
If a child had accidentally woken up that cat, would it be ok for the cat to attack the child?
Keep icabod in the house from now on.
I love animals! I hope your cat is OK. From my understanding, there are no leash laws for cats because of their nature, although they should be vaccinated. I have a cat that is territorial and protective, and like your cat will jump, who it feels is an imminent threat near its territory as a dog pretty much would. It's a very tricky situation, but it's hard to believe it would be criminal. Although I could be wrong but I would think it could be the lady could sue for damages, but again, it depends on leash law where you live. Good luck!
A friend, who lived in BFE, was ticketed & fined by the county because her cat was sleeping in her driveway without a leash. That was 1995, Texas.
Defend Iccabod!!!
I don't feel like there's a win win if you take this to court. Peace is better. And 300 dollars isn't much right? Much less than the medical bills you didn't need to pay
I also agree that the sign is a mistake. It's could be construed as you knowing the cat is a (paw)tential (paw)blem. You could get a sign that just says a cat lives here and let people make the connection. We have two cats who are indoor animals mostly, but we take them out in the yard daily with harnesses on so they can't just do their own thing and roam everywhere. We had a previous cat hit by a car and since then regulate them more carefully.
Also, as a legal team member myself, the court trial would be very stressful and uncertain as to outcome. If you thought your single court appearance so far was difficult, you will definitely not want to multiply that by several-fold. Perhaps you can ask for an even lower settlement amount as cooler heads hopefully prevail.
Maybe the dog owner would be wiling to come on your podcast. Bridging the divided between the cat people and the dog people may be your ultimate calling!
If this is serious... you've no choice.. your puddy cat deserves you standing for it... stand for those that cant for themselves . Simple
It is serious. Which is insane.
I can't predict what will happen if you go with a jury, but I can pretend to be a juror and look at your video. From the footage, I see Ichabod there, then a woman and her dog walking on (I am assuming here) a public sidewalk. Then the cat attacks them unprovoked and the dog and woman have to defend themselves. Given that, I would go with offering the 300 dollars. The cat was your responsibility and if it were a situation where Ichabod was a dog and it attacked a child walking by, you wouldn't win. Sorry if that's too direct, I love animals myself and it stinks that that happened.
The cat was provoked. That is why the lady was pulling her dog away. The audio is clear on that.
@@sgcarney Oh okay, I re-watched at the 00:21 mark and hear the barking. If I were a juror I'd want to see exactly what the cat did leading up to the encounter, the dog and cat are both aggressive. The only thing is the cat is hidden on video and the dog owner said the cat jumped out. You said the cat was asleep in the bushes so there's a bit of a difference. I think a juror would want to see at least a few minutes leading up to that moment.Just playing devils advocate here. Hopefully it isn't costly for either of you!
@@sgcarney You are flagrantly lying. Show the entire video.
Main issue you're going to have is that animals aren't people. They can't be treated as reasonable. There is no intention or any of that at play either, and this took place outside of your domain of control. That being off of your property. Even though it's technically a part of your property. That is, it's a public walkway. Where people have an expectation of safety. Your cat isn't allowed to defend the sidewalk to put this another way. There is no self-defense case here if we were talking about humans in Denver.
That said, this isn't legal advice. And no lawyer is going to give it to you on TH-cam. It's highly unethical among other issues at play.
Anyway, I get why you're saying what you're saying. But there's another issue with that it's a cat. Their natural behavior is to bite. They're not like dogs or most other domesticated animals. They can and do bite often when there's no actual fight at play. Worse, often bite when they likely have no ill intentions behind it. It's akin to many school yard boys where the boys hit one another in playful just. They're not actually upset or trying to do harm. But, these aren't friendly faux strikes. These are interactions between different animals. Animals that can't be again expected to reason this out.
That also said, I have no idea what the laws are at the federal, state and county level right now. 20 years ago, I would've stated that you're expected to have control over your property at all times. And that your animal is property. Even maybe 10 years ago I might've said that. The only thing I'd say right now is that this sucks, and well, you have to own what your cat did regardless of why your cat did what it did.
Hope it works out for the best regardless of how it plays out.
Edit: I do have one piece of legal advice though I'm not you lawyer. Take that sign down. You're admitting that you know your cat is dangerous.
I"m not sure cat's have a natural inclination to bite. I've had cats for 40 years and never had anything like this happen.
Volunteered in cat rescue for over 12 years. Been scratched a couple of times, never bitten.
Seems like she assaulted the cat using the dog who she lost control off. It’s her fault she should pay your bills
The only animal lawyer I know of practices bird law. And to be honest, I’m not even convinced he’s a real lawyer.
Best of luck with the case though.
Seagulls break maritime law. Seagulls break every law.
Take the plea deal.
Noooooo!
You are not going to jail, you did on.my opinion the sensible thing to "Safety"
Best of luck with all!❤
Take this tall the way to SCOTUS !!
You should take it to trial, just because it would be entertaining. Get your "A Few Good Men" moment
You should put warning signs all over your house and yes your cat belongs in jail!At least for a few months!
Are you allowed to keep your cat outside off-leash where you live? I feel for poor ichabod, but I thought standards in the US presume you lose your rights if your animal is off-leash? Most cities require them to be secured if the animal is off your property.
I am. There are no leash laws for cats in Denver.
AG1 legal team shat their pants? That's wonderful, you are doing God's work
is it a male cat? if it is then it's just defending it's territory. both cats and dogs are territorial animals.
The difference in reaction of "Oh no, this 8 pound cat might have a confrontation with my 60 pound dog. I guess I'll just take a step back and tug on the leash? Kick the cat? That'll help" and "OH MY GOD, AN 8 POUND CAT BIT ME, AN ADULT HUMAN BEING. MY VERY LIFE AND SENSE OF SECURITY ARE SHATTERED. I'M SUING YOU" is remarkable.
Having worked jobs where I interact with a lot of dogs, holy shit there are a lot of dog owners who don't train their dogs at all or have any idea what to do should they need to restrain them. Props to you if you have a pup and do the hard work, this kind of thing makes my blood boil.
Ichabod deserves justice in the courtroom, but I don't know if the exorbitant costs of the justice system are worth contending with.
The cat was first to attack. What training was this dog lacking? Cat bits can be serious medically. She did try to move away and the cat attacked a second time.
@@vids595 The dog was not responding to commands if the person was giving them. The person, knowing full well this could turn into someone's pet dying, only attempted to pull the dog by the leash. You can, in fact, pick up a dog. If you aren't strong enough to pick up or restrain your dog in an instance like this, you better have an alternative like a dog walker who the dog trusts and IS strong enough to restrain it.
If a child attempts to hit me, I'm still responsible for controlling the situation and showing restraint as an adult. If I'm walking a labrador in a neighborhood with outside cats, I am the adult who should be prepared for what to do if my dog acts out. Dogs get into fights with eachother all the time, they can get very ugly without intervention.
A cat bite CAN be medically relevant. A dog several times the weight of a cat swinging it around is VERY LIKELY to be medically significant.
For the record, I don't love people having outdoor cats, but it's pretty clear in my mind who had the power to alleviate this situation.
@@SameWindowDifferentVisualAbsolutely correct. It appears that the woman has decided to come on TH-cam and comment on everybody's comments. This person is really ridiculous. The cat is much smaller, the dog on a leash was not being controlled whatsoever, the woman kicked the cat. First, the cat was defending itself. The cat was sleeping. It was f****** sleeping. How would you like to be sleeping and then have something 60 ft come at you and start barking and then some a****** kick you. That woman is out of her mind. She should be FINED for wasting the court's time.
If I understand correctly, it wasn’t the dog owner who took you to court, it was the city. She probably could have made this a lot worse by suing you for a lot of money for that bite (emotional stress or something like that). Why not show your appreciation and end it. You’ve already had enough stress over this, and a jury trial could go either way, so just pay the $300, get it over with, and be grateful for an easy resolution. To me it seems silly to play this out for the “principle” of the thing. It’s $300 and your cat started it, after all.
Ride the wave! It’s good educational content and we can all be more informed when facing parallel situations.
“Because you didn't come here to make the choice, you've already made it. You're here to try to understand *why* you made it.” - Matrix Reload (2003)
Stand on principle and go all the way. ❤
What principle would that be? Cats do not have the right to attack other animals or people on public property.
Cats a thug. Got his owner probation
Hope you’re standing on the principle
It looks like the cat aggressively approached the dog to begin with.
Well heck, the cat clearly attacked 5:03
Counter sue, it was self defence!
Stand on principle
Oi, I went to a court proceeding to support a friend due to a "dog bite" from a dog (that probably wasn't a real bite), it was a simple proceeding, I don;'t remember what the results were outside of the dog being fine after all. Hope things go smoothly for you and your cat also and doesn't cost a lot :/
I just want to add something things for people to consider around outdoor cats and pit bulls.
Outdoor cats: outdoor have an environmental impact, but so do indoor cats (so does most everything). A far as I can tell, while can find some studies in small areas studying the impact of outdoor cats, there's nearly nothing really investigating the full impact of indoor only cats, and on insisting cats be indoor on adoption rates. Options like catios are literally made using bird habitats (trees). Litter, toys, cat food have transportation, manufacturing, and in case of food, agriculture and livestock costs. While outdoor cats often share those costs, they can be reduced as outdoor access provides lot of additional enrichment and food sources that can offset toy and food usage (tho may also use additional calories from the exercise, but that exercise is also good for them and reduces obesity/some health issues) Outdoor is riskier (like with this situation), but risk is part of life that we all engage with -- being in a car is common risk to us but most of us still partake. But outdoor cats do have an impact, but primary drivers of that in most places are feral and community cats, and efforts to sterilize and reduce those populations are vital (tnr/tvhr [tvhr is an alt version of trap and release that uses hormone sparing sterilization options. There may be some advantages due to ability to keep male cat sterilized but horny, as cats are induced ovulatiors.). Adoption is key in that, but restrictions to indoor only may effect adoption rates as some people don't have adquate space indoors or are not ethically okay with preventing outdoor access. The impact of outdoor tho is varied based on place -- there's been (iirc) two island case studies where removing the cats hurt some local populations due to not also removing the invasive rodents. While there's some studies suggesting cats don't eat rats, those likely depend on the variety/size of the rat, and the availability of other options. I've cleaned up way too many half eaten rat corpses from my cat, s living in a big city, that's the main thing around. so tldr: outdoor cats have environmental impact, indoor only may reduce that impact and is less risky then outdoor, but it's murky and there's a lack of comparative studies assessing which is best for the environment and overpopulation.
Pitbulls: pitbulls have a bigger bite force and so if attacking, can cause more harm. However, how much aggression is genetic is debatable. Dog studies utterly suck at accounting for contributing factors (like seriously, it's super rampent, there was just a "genetic" peer reviewed paper a couple weeks ago that claimed to be studying behaviour+genetics in different breeds, but did nothing to control for other factors and only mentioned that once deep into the paper). Pits are more likely to be living in poverty, which has numerous overall increased risks. Similar to intact dogs: the data on being intact is conflated with the data of living in poverty -- like there's this study in strays (same income) finding no difference in wandering between intact and neutered, but so many other studies (that don't much to account for income) indicate being intact increases wandering, including lifespan studies that show decreased death from from trauma/car hits. Low income dogs are more likely rural, and may be housed outside more, owners may be home less due to work needs or under increased stress, and well, good fencing costs money. And thus may be why the increased wandering -- possible in your case with the pit (as sound like the pit owner wasn't around, the women was walking a different dog?). There's health and behaviour issues on both sides of having or not having hormones, which why is so importent that these studies improve so vets and owners can pick the best option for pet. For pits, there's insurance restrictions and breed specific laws, but if it's all more enviromental, then that's not good as other dog/breeds in similar situation will also act similar, and we should probably focus on improving human and dog wellbeing instead.
The matrix is trying to cancel and take down Ichabod. Never surrender !
Personally I don't think that it's worth it, unless you you're willing to pay A LOT more money if it doesn't go your way. It doesn't seem cut and dry to me, although I'm not a lawyer, nor do I live in the US. Also is there any risk of your cat being put down if you lose? If so I wouldn't risk it, for anything!
Dear Ichabod, really? Your Pops feeds you, scratches your ears and belly.
In my direct experience, if your cow is in the road and a car hits it, it's the cow owners liability because the animal was not in the owners control.
My 80+ ducks figured out that there was a pond across the street. We had a neighbor who seemed to enjoy running them down with his car, sometimes five or six at a time. Apparently he was legally allowed to do so. Samething, they were not in my comtrol. Matter of fact, I would have been liable if he wrecked.
Her dog was on leash and it did not seem she let go. Ichabod was not in your control or on your legal property. Those two preceps seem to be what these situations are judged by.
I am glad he is okay. I'm impressed he faced off with a pitbull. Ha!
A pitbull with a fluffy tail? Maybe a mix.
The case could be precedent setting in the US. Are pets property or people?
Depends upon the state.
Cats are property.
Ichabod has gumption going after that dog! 😂 Animals do what they do. I don't even blame the dog owner too much. She was caught off guard! Take the plea.... unless you figure more content for your channel will make money. As an early subscriber, I enjoy almost all of your content and this was no exception! I'm a black cat lover... go Ichabod! 🐈⬛
How ridiculous! That cop is a twit. This is a total waste of time and money from the get go. You shouldn’t have to pay anything for her silly dog.. she kicked your cat!
That being said, I’m glad the woman went to hospital, my hubby nearly lost his hand to a cat bite.
If I wasn’t broke I’d buy a shirt 😂
Icchhabod the brave.
Sounds like "free Ichabod" is about to become EXPENSIVE Ichabod!!!!
Get a Weiner dog as your next cat! Weinerbod! 🙂
Take the deal.
Not sure the big deal here. Dogs and cats fight. Lady made a common mistake I’ve made, attempting to break up an animal fight. Animal control verifies pet that bit human has rabies vaccine. Both owners are reasonable people. Story over, right?
If you settle and there are no more repercussions for you or your cat, it's done and over with for $300.
If you might find yourself subject to more fines, possibility of losing ownership of your cat, possible responsible for more financial things like dog bills, dog owner health bills, etc., then fight.
Can you afford the principle of losing? Can you afford the financial burden of a lawyer? How high up in the realm of the human race is this case?
You're a fighter, I get it. But $300 is an easy way to end everything.
Of course, a cynical take would be that using this for content will gain you more than pleading guilty.
And you’re not a stupid man.
Then again. I wouldn’t blame you. Actually, I will blame you 20%. But the cuteness and authenticity of the event (even seeing the cutest dog smiling in court) makes up for it.
I fully recognize this is an amazing story. I also fully believe Ichabod is innocent. It’s the state that is pushing me towards trial. They are welcome to drop the charge.
Thanks for sharing!
I don't see much point in going further with this in court today so I suggest you just let it go unless you're going to be able to turn this into some kind of an Interesting animal piece.
why was your cat in the street ?
He was sleeping in a bush on my property.
Because cats go wherever they want.
There is a dog that lives near me that has bitten three people over the last couple of years. Nothing has happened. I'm not happy about the situation because it belongs to friends of my kids and it's awkward to say that my kids can't go over there.
Bro sorry to hear it. If I'm giving practical advice, I have to say the American legal system is a mess, you really don't wanna get involved unless you are willing to spend the money to win.
The flip side is that for the most part you can buy the courts, so if you're willing to enlist an expensive lawyer, they'll probably have a bunch of connections and you'll be fine so long as the other person can't afford to do the same.
If you want to just explore legal topics, the chatgpt is surprisingly good at evaluating "hypothetical situations".
As for what's the right thing to do; well dude you probably won't forgive yourself if you don't stand up for your cat. You're being more civil than I'd probably have been in the same situation..
" . . .was sleeping in the bushes in front of my house when he got attacked by a pit bull."
The dog is clearly not a pitbull and your cat attacked the dog, not the other way around.
"Ichabod had a chance to flee to safety, but for reasons that are locked behind his inscrutable yellow eyes, he decided to instead defend himself."
You are conflating offense and defense.
"In the ensuing melee, the woman who was walking her dog kicked him and the dog bit and flipped him into the air. In a desperate attempt to extricate himself from the situation, Ichabod bit the dog’s owner on the leg."
Not true. The cat was not interested in extrication at all. only aggression. You need to build a catio.
Except the video shows the opposite. The dog lunges first, the lady pulls the dog back, then ichabod charges, gets kicked and beaten up. Then he bites the woman. The timeline is clear. That said, you might be right about the breed of dog. I can't be sure. I doubt you can, either.
@@sgcarney No the video that you intentionally start after the beginning of the incident shows the cat attack first. A "lunge" is not an attack. You are admitting in your own words that your cat made the first attack. Your cat then pressed the attack after the dog owner retreated.
@@sgcarney I can be sure that the dog is at most a pit mix. I find your attempt to label this dog as a pitbull to be entirely dishonest and intended to play upon stereotypes of pitbulls in order to spin the way people will interpret this incident.
Valiant effort…
Why are cats allowed to trespass? These animals get to roam free. Not cool!
I tell that to the birds and squirrels in my yard, too. Bah humbug.
Why do pitbulls get to live in society? They're more dangerous than wild dogs
Those birds and squirrels are not domesticated.
@@DanielBergerHewittI think we’ve just established the cat isn’t either. 😆 I can tell you have never ‘owned’ a cat. Domesticated is a challenging word for a cat, half the time as the cat’s slave, I have no idea if my cat actually even likes me.
HUH? it's a cat
Please, go all the way. That woman was responsible for controlling her dog. and also kicked the cat. Not cool.
Not sure what is the principle you are trying to defend? What can be way more interesting is using this as a big expose on how off the mark the legal systems can be. Something like this really should never go to court…minor issue where two responsible people should sort out amongst themselves. Get the legal machinery in and it goes haywire. I can actually see this getting bizarre, ugly and fascinating.
That’s exactly the issue!
Hell NO!
Damn court system.
Take it to jury!
The problem is is they way the law is written, you are fucked and theyll not stop till the fuck you.
Im getting a shirt.
Are cat owners required to have cats indoors or on leash?
Unfortunately no, not in most places.
Scott.
Great that you can be you !Technology ❤
1. The cat initiated the attack.
2. The dog is not a pitbull.
3. The dog and dog owner did give ground and were pursued by the cat, the cat attacked a second time.
4. The cat did not make a valiant last stand that is absurd and completely false.
5. The woman who was attacked was in no way in the wrong and should not have apologized.
Dog lunged at the cat first, putting the cat in defense mode. Imagine how many other dogs have walked by that cat while the cat was on that chair in the bushes and nothing happened. Dog instigated the whole thing.
Ichabod did nothing wrong!
Take the plea. Truth is she shouldn’t have kicked at the cat. Cats are miniature lions, everybody knows that. Maybe invest in a fence? But surely leave the sign up.
How embarrassing 😂
i need my tshirt
I found out how to make them!
This dishonest video undermines the good work you have done with your other videos.
I find it quite odd that you deleted my comment. I called you no names or anything derogatory. Why?
I didn’t see it. TH-cam sometimes deletes comments by accident. Sometimes there is a filter. Fwiw, I only block people entirely from the channel. I don’t just remove one comment--I erase their whole history if I have to use my mod powers.
@@sgcarney ok thank you. Really like your work. New follower. I'll try and repost verbatim but fair warning, I think you are liable. LOL cheers!
Is there any footage on this channel that the lady can use to bolster her argument? If so, settle. Denver is so full of whiners now, just crap people. It's sad. CO used to be a very calm state with live & let live people.
This is one of the reasons that cats don't belong outdoors unsupervised. Please keep your kitty indoors when you aren't actively supervising him in the future. It would be heartbreaking if this ended with him or the dog being put down for one unfortunate incident.
* and also a dog must ALWAYS be under the control of its owner!
Good luck trying to supervise cats in general. They get up in trees, they hide in closets. They're cats. They belong outdoors, indoors, and anywhere they want to be. They protect children from attack dogs. Look these things up, they're real.
@@kddidit08 Yes to a reasonable extent, like we see in this case.
🤣🤣🤣take ichobod to the highest court in the land! Sorry can’t spell ikabod!