For a number of years, my agency issued the 180gr Ranger T for our Beretta 96's and then Glocks. We had a few officer involved shootings with the Ranger T and in one of the instances, I was the officer who fired. In every instance, the Ranger T did exactly what it was supposed to do with the round performing exceptionally well. Now that I have retired, the few times when I carry a .40, it's loaded with either the Ranger T or the HST. Excellent work as usual, Az.
@@c.r.chandler5905 Wow, good to know it performs as well IRL situations when needed. Awesome setup in a 96 for sure. Don't know if I have told u before but, *Thank you for your service* . Always appreciate ya my friend!!🍻
I picked up a S&W 411 at a garage sale for 300dollars. As I walking away the LADY said stop. This goes with it. A 50cal can. Inside was 100 FMJ'S and 10 boxes of 180gr black Talons. OH YEAH
The 180 grain was what my agency issued for duty carry. I worked many officer involved shooting incidents, including autopsies. The Department switched to the Remington 180 grain for a cycle (low bid I’m sure) and it had a huge hollow point cavity. They failed to perform on numerous occasions, mostly because of poor penetration. The two rounds that never failed to perform were the Winchester 180 grain and the Federal 180 grain HST. Both were excellent, and I would carry nothing else. Just my opinion, based on what I was able to see during the after incident investigations.
In an In Service class, Winchester was selected to replace the Federal 124 grain Hydrashok +P+. The County selected the Winchester 124 grain SXT +P which was an impressive load. Later on Glock offered a great deal to replace the Gen 3 Glock 19 with Gen 4 Glock 23. The Department selected the 180 grain Remington Golden Saber. The 165 Winchester T Series is my preferred load in the Glock 27. The joke was, The Black Talon was replaced by the SXT. The Same Exact Thing.
@@spnfirearms No, thank you!! Means a lot!! I really do appreciate all the support and always shouting out the channel. Super awesome of u!!.. And thank you very much for taking the time to check em out!!🤙🍻
Good test, AZ! These Ranger, aka Black Talon V2, have a good rep for good reason! While I personally like to see a bit more penetration, especially from the 180, they ain't bad at all! I'd also like to see a bit more velocity from the 165 but I can why they don't since penetration might suffer. This would require a somewhat stronger construction from the bullet, which is why I prefer the Speer Gold Dot, but in my own handloads since Speer doesn't exactly push the limits even a little! In most cases I prefer my hand loads over factory for just that reason. Not to mention I know with 100% certainty that my own loads are assembled correctly and that they will go bang every time. The only factory ammo I carry is the Underwood loading of the Lehigh Extreme Defenders, since I simply can't match their velocities. That's a first for me, too. When all is said and done the Ranger-T definitly isn't a bad thing to carry around. It will definitely get the job done! Cheers, jc
@@williamkirby-wt7su Thank you so much!! I really do appreciate that and appreciate u taking the time to check em out. Glad u are enjoying the channel. Thanks again.. Plenty on the way my friend😁👍🍻.
40 S&W is such a good cartridge. Both of those rounds did really well. The 165 had almost 100 ft/lbs more energy and it's my favorite weight for the 40 S&W. Thank you more another great test. I like your new lighting on the cross sections, it really shows the performance of the bullet.
@@rangetime6779 Awesome, good to hear, thank you u so much, and thank you for actually sticking around that long into the video. Appreciate that my friend!!🍻
Thx. Just bought .40 dies, to develop loads over the winter. I calculate about .22/round with Berry's bullets and .20/round with coated hardcast, both using used brass. Gets the price of practice ammo below 9mm store bought.
Great to reload the .40 . Not to tell you what to do , But just getting started you might not know about the" Glock bulge " Check out on TH-cam and the internet and some police departments would have the primers crimped in the cases , Check that out also on TH-cam and the internet . Those two Don't happen as much as it used to but it is very good to know about . Optics Planet has X-Tream bullets155 gr TC That can be taken from a mouse fart to a OMG
@duaneridings6591 thanks. My sole .40 has a barrel with a fully supported chamber. I reloaded magnums for decades so I will certainly work up loads and check cases for pressure. Still haven't determined the best powder to use.
I don't know if you schedule your time at the range according to sunrise or sundown, or maybe it's just camera angles, but you get the best slow motion in the gel.👊 Always enjoy your tests.👍
@@Disastrous.Affect Thank you so much I really appreciate that!! And yes, I make it super early for setup to catch the sunrise, so we can get/have good lighting for the videos. Glad u enjoy em, means a lot!! Thanks again buddy!!🍻
Fantastic test bro!! I carry the 165gr T series in my G22, it is definitely a fight stopper. I've heard personal stories of the T series in various calibers that has absolutely smoked perps here in South Africa. The 165gr T series hits the spot for .40, best weight, velocity combination for the .40.
Great test. Cannot sleep on the .40 that’s a nasty round especially a Winchester bonded. Big ol slug. I love some me some Winchester bonded. Surprised of the great performance out of the shorty. Great job as a always boss.👍😁
@@michaelkaczor4206 Thank you sir, appreciate that!! Same here, was very surprised, specially with the 165gr.. Always had issues in the jugs with the shorty. Was awesome to see em both do so well. Agree with the bonded, definitely some good stuff. Thanks again my friend😁👍🍻.
Great test, the 165 is as fast or faster than many of the watered down 10mm loads that are so common these days. I also prefer the 180, but I'd not turn down the 165.
Just for a go 2:00 to round those are superb,these beat every other 40 in lucky gunner test and the push deep ,the sectional density of the 180 makes it nearly perfect although less energy .Cor Bon used to make a 180 gr dot that would hit 1075 or more in duty gun.
@@spnfirearms Alright, so for my first and favorite is prolly the g33 or sig p229 depending on what I'm wearing.. 357 sig of course though lol. Second would be g27, so basically the same thing just different caliber. Just really enjoy that small platform. And for the final setup would be a pair.. og lrp .380 pocket carry with the canik mete mc9. Thanks as always🤙.
Good video. Have you ever tested the Speer 155 Gold Dot in 40? If I carry 40, that's my go-to (because I still have a couple cases of it). 1250fps from a G23 and it's just RUDE how it hits. A little over 500fpe and penetrates well.
@@Swampytheroot Thank you sir!! Wow, very cool. Sounds like some warm stuff.. I've tested 155gr hst quite a bit but haven't come across the 155gr GD. It is also loaded pretty hot. I'll keep an eye out for sure, and absolutely grab for a test if I find some. Thanks again!!
Originally everyone issued hot 155s....but they found out slide velocity too abrupt beating up frames just an FYI. Only 155 still being sold I can think of is Silvertip
It’s crazy how I always see people who actually do ballistic tests like really do them all the time with numerous calibers and different type of ammo they always seem to be a fan of .40 Cal…. That alone should suggest the whole 9mm vs .40 shouldn’t be a argument. .40 is a better round more power larger wound cavity more energy dump etc…. And this is why ima always go with .40…9 mil gets the job done of course but .40 GETS THE JOB DONE. Iykyk
@Hunter-vl6ft It's almost always police department blemish return. The last/current batch of the 180gr has scratches all over the nickel case. Still functions flawless but you have to watch out.
Both provide a great impact damage and wound. It didn't have as deep of penetration as some may desire but it makes up for it in expansion and talon tearing. I didn't pick up if you observed more damage with one over the other. The stills seem to indicate a bit more impact damage with the 180. That surprised me if so. Either are great options. Thank you.
@@guardianminifarm8005 Yes sorry, when doing the cross sections I actually noticed that the 180gr had wider damage at the beginning of the track than the 165gr, but the 165gr had a longed damage path before settling down. Also the 165gr still shot didn't or wasn't able to catch the frame just right at maximum temporary stretch like the 180gr. Hope that helps and made sense. Thanks as always my friend!!🍻
Great video!!! If you do reloads I recommend trying the Maker P-Rex 124 gr 9mm loads. They are very consistent and open up to .8415 I bet they would also be the best out of a 357 Sig. I loaded some 9mm +P if you would like to try them.
@@drewday6109 Thank you buddy!! Absolutely, sounds like it would be some fun testing. You can email me anytime and we can figure something out. Thanks again!! AzAirgunner357@gmail.com
1145 out of a short barrel is freakin awesome. Those are 500fpe out of a fullsize, easily. 386fpe is anemic dude. Don't carry that crap. the Jared Reston shootout (look it up) was that same round. 380s fpe- you are better off, far better off, carrying a 9 +P+.
For a number of years, my agency issued the 180gr Ranger T for our Beretta 96's and then Glocks. We had a few officer involved shootings with the Ranger T and in one of the instances, I was the officer who fired. In every instance, the Ranger T did exactly what it was supposed to do with the round performing exceptionally well. Now that I have retired, the few times when I carry a .40, it's loaded with either the Ranger T or the HST. Excellent work as usual, Az.
@@c.r.chandler5905 Wow, good to know it performs as well IRL situations when needed. Awesome setup in a 96 for sure. Don't know if I have told u before but, *Thank you for your service* . Always appreciate ya my friend!!🍻
I picked up a S&W 411 at a garage sale for 300dollars. As I walking away the LADY said stop. This goes with it. A 50cal can. Inside was 100 FMJ'S and 10 boxes of 180gr black Talons. OH YEAH
They both performed well. I would opt for the 165gr. It's the sweet spot for 40sw.
The 180 grain was what my agency issued for duty carry. I worked many officer involved shooting incidents, including autopsies. The Department switched to the Remington 180 grain for a cycle (low bid I’m sure) and it had a huge hollow point cavity. They failed to perform on numerous occasions, mostly because of poor penetration. The two rounds that never failed to perform were the Winchester 180 grain and the Federal 180 grain HST. Both were excellent, and I would carry nothing else. Just my opinion, based on what I was able to see during the after incident investigations.
In an In Service class, Winchester was selected to replace the Federal 124 grain Hydrashok +P+. The County selected the Winchester 124 grain SXT +P which was an impressive load. Later on Glock offered a great deal to replace the Gen 3 Glock 19 with Gen 4 Glock 23. The Department selected the 180 grain Remington Golden Saber. The 165 Winchester T Series is my preferred load in the Glock 27. The joke was, The Black Talon was replaced by the SXT. The Same Exact Thing.
I think FBI went to 180 gr Ranger Bonded right before transition to nine,I bought a bunch of it cheap ,nickle case and around 1000fps ,Copper Talon.
I like 165 grain in 40.. 165 grain HST's are nasty
@@joeyphillips1181 it’s hard to bad mouth an HST. Superior to the Hydra Shock. My preferred EDC round.
Thank you for your content brother. I appreciate it greatly, I’ll continue to pass your name on. Respect man.
Subscribed to both yall
@@spnfirearms No, thank you!! Means a lot!! I really do appreciate all the support and always shouting out the channel. Super awesome of u!!.. And thank you very much for taking the time to check em out!!🤙🍻
@@franky334444 Heck yeah, appreciate that🙏 thank you!!
Good test, AZ! These Ranger, aka Black Talon V2, have a good rep for good reason! While I personally like to see a bit more penetration, especially from the 180, they ain't bad at all! I'd also like to see a bit more velocity from the 165 but I can why they don't since penetration might suffer. This would require a somewhat stronger construction from the bullet, which is why I prefer the Speer Gold Dot, but in my own handloads since Speer doesn't exactly push the limits even a little! In most cases I prefer my hand loads over factory for just that reason. Not to mention I know with 100% certainty that my own loads are assembled correctly and that they will go bang every time. The only factory ammo I carry is the Underwood loading of the Lehigh Extreme Defenders, since I simply can't match their velocities. That's a first for me, too.
When all is said and done the Ranger-T definitly isn't a bad thing to carry around. It will definitely get the job done!
Cheers,
jc
Glad to see more 40 videos. Great test.
@@steveflo Thank you sir!! I'll keep em comin.🍻
Just a note to say thank you for doing these tests. You and Tools&Targets have the most informative tests on youtube. Hope your viewership goes up.
@@williamkirby-wt7su Thank you so much!! I really do appreciate that and appreciate u taking the time to check em out. Glad u are enjoying the channel. Thanks again.. Plenty on the way my friend😁👍🍻.
Tools, Sam and AZ do some of the best gel tests on YT👍
@@jimchambers7548 Thank you my friend!! Awesome to be compared to some of the biggest testers out there. Thank you 🙏🍻.
@AzAirgunner you earn the respect🍻
My favorite part of every video: “Alraught, standin back to 15 feet” 😂😂😂
Thanks AZ! 😬
@@brel1600 😄😂Heck yeah!! Thank you buddy!! My Aunt is always making fun of me for sayin it lol. Appreciate u taking the time to check em out😁👍🍻.
Very impressive performance!
40 S&W is such a good cartridge. Both of those rounds did really well. The 165 had almost 100 ft/lbs more energy and it's my favorite weight for the 40 S&W. Thank you more another great test. I like your new lighting on the cross sections, it really shows the performance of the bullet.
@@rangetime6779 Awesome, good to hear, thank you u so much, and thank you for actually sticking around that long into the video. Appreciate that my friend!!🍻
Thx. Just bought .40 dies, to develop loads over the winter. I calculate about .22/round with Berry's bullets and .20/round with coated hardcast, both using used brass. Gets the price of practice ammo below 9mm store bought.
Great to reload the .40 . Not to tell you what to do , But just getting started you might not know about the" Glock bulge " Check out on TH-cam and the internet and some police departments would have the primers crimped in the cases , Check that out also on TH-cam and the internet . Those two Don't happen as much as it used to but it is very good to know about .
Optics Planet has X-Tream bullets155 gr TC That can be taken from a mouse fart to a OMG
@duaneridings6591 thanks. My sole .40 has a barrel with a fully supported chamber. I reloaded magnums for decades so I will certainly work up loads and check cases for pressure. Still haven't determined the best powder to use.
Hell yeah!! Love the ammo showdowns!
@@DeepSouthEdc Thank you bro, I appreciate u watchin em!!
@@AzAirgunner.I do too!
180 grains are beast 🔥🔥🔥🔥 love your video's my guy
@@dawonnejackson7316 💪💯Totally agree!! Thank you so much, I really appreciate that!! Glad ur enjoying em!! Plenty on the way my friend😁🤙🍻.
I don't know if you schedule your time at the range according to sunrise or sundown, or maybe it's just camera angles, but you get the best slow motion in the gel.👊 Always enjoy your tests.👍
@@Disastrous.Affect Thank you so much I really appreciate that!! And yes, I make it super early for setup to catch the sunrise, so we can get/have good lighting for the videos. Glad u enjoy em, means a lot!! Thanks again buddy!!🍻
Fantastic test bro!! I carry the 165gr T series in my G22, it is definitely a fight stopper. I've heard personal stories of the T series in various calibers that has absolutely smoked perps here in South Africa. The 165gr T series hits the spot for .40, best weight, velocity combination for the .40.
Hey man new subscriber here. Great videos!
@@ArmedAndIndigenous Thank you very much, I appreciate the support and u taking the time to check em out!! Plenty on the way my friend😁👍🍻.
40 is the goat
Awesome content as usual sir!
@@TheRios7018 Thank you brother I appreciate that!!
Great video!! Looks like the 165 grain has more energy and opened up nicely
@@RandyWittmann Thank you sir!! I was definitely surprised on how well it did in gel, compared to our old jug tests.. Big difference. Thanks again!!
Great test. Cannot sleep on the .40 that’s a nasty round especially a Winchester bonded. Big ol slug. I love some me some Winchester bonded. Surprised of the great performance out of the shorty. Great job as a always boss.👍😁
@@michaelkaczor4206 Thank you sir, appreciate that!! Same here, was very surprised, specially with the 165gr.. Always had issues in the jugs with the shorty. Was awesome to see em both do so well. Agree with the bonded, definitely some good stuff. Thanks again my friend😁👍🍻.
Great test, the 165 is as fast or faster than many of the watered down 10mm loads that are so common these days. I also prefer the 180, but I'd not turn down the 165.
@@murphymmc Thank you!! Appreciate u taking the time to check it out!!🍻
Some say the 40 is 💀. It doesn't look that way to me.💥 Good test. 👊🇺🇲
@@GreyShooter Thank you buddy!! Absolutely agree. Definitely a favorite around here😁🤙 🍻.
Just for a go 2:00 to round those are superb,these beat every other 40 in lucky gunner test and the push deep ,the sectional density of the 180 makes it nearly perfect although less energy .Cor Bon used to make a 180 gr dot that would hit 1075 or more in duty gun.
Nice work, Im waiting for .357 sig test
@@Ali-ym8ny Thank you!! I'll have it up soon for ya😁👍🍻.
Can you test the 135 gr .40 vs the 18p gr.
I want to see 135 also
Also, if you get the chance to respond, im always curious what others carry. What are you top 3 carry guns you run? thank you and respect
@@spnfirearms Alright, so for my first and favorite is prolly the g33 or sig p229 depending on what I'm wearing.. 357 sig of course though lol. Second would be g27, so basically the same thing just different caliber. Just really enjoy that small platform. And for the final setup would be a pair.. og lrp .380 pocket carry with the canik mete mc9. Thanks as always🤙.
Good video.
Have you ever tested the Speer 155 Gold Dot in 40? If I carry 40, that's my go-to (because I still have a couple cases of it). 1250fps from a G23 and it's just RUDE how it hits. A little over 500fpe and penetrates well.
@@Swampytheroot Thank you sir!! Wow, very cool. Sounds like some warm stuff.. I've tested 155gr hst quite a bit but haven't come across the 155gr GD. It is also loaded pretty hot. I'll keep an eye out for sure, and absolutely grab for a test if I find some. Thanks again!!
Originally everyone issued hot 155s....but they found out slide velocity too abrupt beating up frames just an FYI. Only 155 still being sold I can think of is Silvertip
It’s crazy how I always see people who actually do ballistic tests like really do them all the time with numerous calibers and different type of ammo they always seem to be a fan of .40 Cal…. That alone should suggest the whole 9mm vs .40 shouldn’t be a argument. .40 is a better round more power larger wound cavity more energy dump etc…. And this is why ima always go with .40…9 mil gets the job done of course but .40 GETS THE JOB DONE. Iykyk
My Contact at Federal tells me 180 HST always performs well real world. It's my Winter Carry when not working
great video! shame you cant find T-Series anymore.
@@DasNukem Thank you!! I hear ya, definitely some tough stuff to get a hold of. I appreciate ya checkin it out!!🍻
SG Ammo gets runs of these 2x a year or so.
@Hunter-vl6ft It's almost always police department blemish return. The last/current batch of the 180gr has scratches all over the nickel case. Still functions flawless but you have to watch out.
Both provide a great impact damage and wound. It didn't have as deep of penetration as some may desire but it makes up for it in expansion and talon tearing. I didn't pick up if you observed more damage with one over the other. The stills seem to indicate a bit more impact damage with the 180. That surprised me if so. Either are great options. Thank you.
@@guardianminifarm8005 Yes sorry, when doing the cross sections I actually noticed that the 180gr had wider damage at the beginning of the track than the 165gr, but the 165gr had a longed damage path before settling down. Also the 165gr still shot didn't or wasn't able to catch the frame just right at maximum temporary stretch like the 180gr. Hope that helps and made sense. Thanks as always my friend!!🍻
I belive the rank and file USMS guys are still using the 180gr Ranger T...they were up until about 2 years ago.
Great video!!! If you do reloads I recommend trying the Maker P-Rex 124 gr 9mm loads. They are very consistent and open up to .8415 I bet they would also be the best out of a 357 Sig. I loaded some 9mm +P if you would like to try them.
@@drewday6109 Thank you buddy!! Absolutely, sounds like it would be some fun testing. You can email me anytime and we can figure something out. Thanks again!! AzAirgunner357@gmail.com
1145 out of a short barrel is freakin awesome. Those are 500fpe out of a fullsize, easily. 386fpe is anemic dude. Don't carry that crap. the Jared Reston shootout (look it up) was that same round. 380s fpe- you are better off, far better off, carrying a 9 +P+.
Lucky gunner has these for 32$ a box 50 rounds! Of course shipping is 20$ but if you buy 2/3 boxes it’s not horrible
You can buy a lot of different ammunition, But ranger t seems to be consistent, And expensive! L o l
almost like a 9mm
They both would cause an awful stomach ache if you caught one😬
@@jimchambers7548 💪💯 You ain't kiddin. Definitely not something would wanna be in front of😬.
Political correct talons in 10mm spl 😂
Interesting court statement... 😅
We went from 180 to 165.