I hate that line alot. Yeah sure, Hamilton may have cheated. But Jefferson cant use that to comapres to what he did jefferson spoke out against slavery, sure. But hes the same person THAT RAPED A FUCKING UNDERAGED 30 YEARS YOUNGER SLAVE. people also cheated alot back then so, no, Hamilton does have a point in this.
@@yay7707 good point. I meant something else, but I understand why you thought I meant something different. I was saying how I love how it sounds, just the echo, and the animatic makes it better. Thanks for sharing your points though!
I teared up I was like “OH SHIT DONT COME FOR MY CINNAMON ROLL AT LEAST HIS AFFAIR WAS CONSENSUAL!” I had a lot of mixed emotions from this mostly because I’m African America so. I teared up like “damn ham tried everything to free us.
i just noticed when Jefferson "says how dare you" if you pause it at the right second you can se a freaky distorted version of Jefferson can be seen holding the Reynolds pamphlet
“And as for slandering Jefferson with talk of mistresses, do you really wanna, really wanna have that conversation?” There’s a difference between the two. Maria Reynolds was a consenting adult. Sally Hemings was 14 when Jefferson’s abuse began
@@CraftageNate It is still cheating but what Jefferson did was much, much worse and he really can’t argue about mistresses when he did such awful things
@@Thathestiadevotee Oh your 100% right. I agree. Let me repeat: I. AGREE. but in the play, considering what we know about Fantasy Ham and Jefferson, it's a valid comeback. So for the song it works. But from a historical point, not. at. all.
@@CraftageNate OH. Sorry I didn’t realize what you meant at that moment. In the musical, this definitely works with fantasy Ham and Jefferson. Thank you for specifying.
I love how Hamilton sounds so desperate in his argument, because even though he presented good arguments, and it’s a downright moral issue, in the end, he still witnessed slavery in his home, and his dead friend fought against slavery
Ok this was a very good detail and I just want to mention it Notice at the beginning and most of the song Alexander was almost a really bright white, Thomas and George were a light grey and James was a darker grey, then notice after James mentions Alexander’s affair, Alexander goes to a light grey like Thomas The animator of this might’ve done it on purpose or not but it makes it look like that Alexander lost confidence the more the battle went on and by the end of it his confidence wasn’t really there which is why he just decided to agree with them. And this goes along with James, when he first stepped in he was a darker grey and after Hamilton interrupted him he was a lighter grey and swung back at Alexander signifying that he had more confidence in his opinions. And again same goes with Thomas, when Alexander mentioned his wife he kind of turned a darker grey and started flashing black because he lost a lot of confidence and what he said really affected Thomas The creator might’ve not even meant to do this, which in that case this rant would’ve been absolutely pointless But if they did mean to do it, it was a really good detail to add and it made it kind of easier to connect to their emotions
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HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THAT! I like to also interpret it as the conversation slowly going more morally grey and ambiguous, even through its obvious that slavery is bad, how would you tackle something like this? But I did not notice him growing grayer so thank you for that info.
Lilli's Realm I think it was really needed, or at least be more well known as a deleted song, just link how Congratulations is. This song is underrated. But we need it today now more than ever because of the protests happening in America, the “cancel Hamilton” hashtag going around because of some vocal minority wanting to cancel the show because of the lack of attention brought to the slave-owning side of the founding fathers. I disagree with cancelling the show, so I wish this song was more widely known in the fandom so people know that Lin did originally consider addressing that the founding fathers owned slaves and their immoral decisions.
“We can’t address the question if we do not have an answer” Here to report from 200 years later: we have the answer, but for some reason America forgot how to pick up the pen.
Hamilton thinks of Washington good, so it sounds like him, but Jefferson and Madison sound possessed, creepy and foreign, which was a really cool effect.
I like that while the other two battles are more combative, and deal with issues both opponents knew exactly where they wanted to take it, with this one introducing slavery the tone's almost melancholic, as it adds ethics into the matter, and neither party really has a solution as to how to deal with it.
I wish Lin included this. Like does it portray the founding fathers in a bad light?, yes but they were pretty crap people irl and it would've romanticized these characters less
If i'm correct, he made this track after Hamilton was published, so rip to that idea. No joke, it would be pretty nice to have this around here somewhere though.
@@carolinemcgovern4488 yeah, thats actully a good placement, it wouldnt make sense for them to sing this before Washington on your side or after One last time. It would also feel like washington didn't run for president again because of it. Unless this wouldnt be the third cabinet battle and maybe came before.
@Little_biscuit 333 I just read your comment and I find it really interesting and would like to put my input here. I can agree, they did some horrible things, and that they also did some really good things but the part that I agree with but also disagree with is the fact that you said: "Although it was socially acceptable during that time period ... they did horrible things also". Its the fact that it was socially acceptable at the time, think of it from a more recent example, segregation of people of colour in America and Australia (I'm not sure what happened in Britain and other countries I only know these two). It was seen as socially acceptable to have people separated due to the colour of their skin, I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, but at the time of it starting it was seen as socially acceptable, and so no one said or did anything. I guess what I'm getting at is the fact that at the time no one did anything about the issue because they didn't see the issue or didn't want to see the bigger picture overall. It also takes a lot of courage to stand against the majority and it is usually required that you follow the bigger part of the population. (Also I can accept the fact that you were saying that in regards to the song being placed into the musical and what that would have done for the overall mood of the musical, and if I can I would also like to point out that you never made a comment about how it never mentioned that fact that Hamilton worked for shipping slaves and owned two himself and what that would have done for our protagonist.) PS. I am not disagreeing with you I agree 100% there were just somethings that I noticed that I wanted to point out :)
Trisha Tolentino but at the same time it does mention Sally Hemings in a very disrespectful way. Calling her a mistress and the way Hamilton said “while you’re he-hawing with sally Hemings” when in reality Jefferson abused and got her pregnant starting when she was only fourteen. That’s why I don’t think it should have been included
The issue on the table. The timing... Hamilton’s affair with Maria Reynolds took place from 1791-2. The affair wasn’t revealed until 1797. Benjamin Franklin died in 1790. Either Franklin had a time machine, or the Quaker petition wasn’t addressed for seven or more years.
@@TheCreepyLantern fjdjfkgkg ur so right also the timeline in Hamilton is already so messed up I think basically every character must have had a Time Machine,,,
He signed the petition on February 3, 1790 lol so yea, 🤷 timeliness is a bit off...but mentioning the affair did enough damage to Hamilton he couldn't argue further.
the entire timing of the musical is pretty bad anyway, Hamilton and Burs meeting time is wrong cause they wanted to go whit 1776 beacause it’s a more recognizable date, the winter ball years is wrong, the first battle year is wrong too
OH MY GOD, I never thought I would find another animation with this song. James finally stepping up, Thomas his face when Sally's face was mentioned. If you accept requests, can you maybe make the Adams administration? The full rap, if not that's completely fine! Keep up the amazing work.
WHY IS JEFFERSON LITERALLY A HEAD TALLER THAN HAMMY HAM I need to know why this is a consistent idea that was also drawn in the last animatic I viewed.
Thomas Jefferson was 6’2 if I’m not mistaken. Alexander is debated to be 5’10 or 5’7. I personally believe he was 5’7, but that’s basically the explanation.
It's weird knowing Thomas Jefferson owned slaves but wasn't pro slavery and it's also weird how in school we aren't taught how Thomas Jefferson originally denounced slavery in the declaration of independence
It's not often addressed, but history is incredibly messy. It always has been and forever will be. Hamilton himself was not an abolitionist and it was only through relatively recent searching through his cash book we found evidence of purchase of slave labor for, presumably, his household. As to how well these folk were treated, we can't know as that's long lost to history. Slavery was a massive institution for the vast majority of human history. To a lesser extent today and far less accepted. History isn't, or rather, very rarely is a clear cut good vs evil. It is distinct in it's humanity within it's various stories. The attempts made to cancel men long since dead for lacking the supposed enlightened thinking of the modern day is an utter waste. It was tragic yes and it should be addressed in teachings. However, letting it overshadow the accomplishments they each achieved is no better. History is often nasty and embroiled in savage practices by today's standards. But never forget without them we wouldn't be here to complain or address it in the first place.
@@imotekh6110 Yup. It's important to understand both the bad and good of any group or individual. Not to say there aren't those who have more bad than good, but that we acknowledge both to understand history as complex and yet easy to accept, warts and all.
@@imotekh6110Agreed, but for the record i just want to say these are still rich white old slaveowners we are talking about and people, especially black people have a right to disown them. Just because they 'founded' america doesn't mean im going to act like they're these tragic morally grey demigods lost to history
Im kinda glad that lin didn't put this song in the musical. Slavery is a kinda sensitive topic still and to have such a diverse cast, but it's a great song.
Trina Whitaker I agree that it shouldn’t be in the official musical because it doesn’t fit with the narrative, message or story that the show is trying to convey, and that slavery and race is still controversial/sensitive topic. But because of the BLM protests and the cancel Hamilton hashtag surfacing, people should be more aware about the faults of the founding fathers, but also that Lin did briefly consider putting this in the musical and giving attention to the ugly side of the characters and to be more historically accurate.
The Man Behind The Slaughter Sadly yes because nowadays there are people who get offended really easy and there is a cancel culture think going on on twitter. But Hamilton will be fine because it is only a vocal minority that wants it cancelled.
@@conuson_candl1877 oooofff I hate "everyone is just too gosh darn sensitive nowdays" replies. The basics of it is: dispite hip hop and dispite diverse casting, Hamilton does nothing to make us rethink or revist the founding fathers mythology. In this current time in America when the people are questioning that mythology and the monuments with to it, there are those who are also questioning Hamiltons place in it.
"As for slandering Jefferson with talk of mistresses.. Do you really wanna- really wanna have that conversation?" My jaw actually dropped. That part paired with the visuals of the animatic is just amazing.
Onnnn the other hand.... At least Maria Reynolds was a grown ass adult who had the legal right to refuse without fear of punishment..... Sally was a minor and a slave, neither of which enforce the idea that she could refuse. So, while neither party is "in the right," it's stealing a single chapstick from Walmart vs grand larceny.
@@krisynthiagomez5883Jefferson did it whit a slave tho: Sally Hemings , and being a slave she had no rights so FOR THE TIME Hamiltons cheating would have been worse
I like how at the end Washington says "Let's hope the generation thinks of something better". And I immediately jump up my seat and point at the scream. And I shouted "They will!"
rant time: although i feel cabinet battle 3 would have been a good addition to show the effect of politics on people and character development for the FICTIONAL hamilton, the ACTUAL hamilton wasn’t much of an abolitionist (even though he’s portrayed that way) like john laurens was and that doesn’t sit right with me - so i agree with LMM’s decision to cut it since it’s not accurate and doesn’t further the plot. that said i like this animatic of it because of the subtle color changes of FICTIONAL hamilton and jefferson, kinda illustrates how slavery was viewed as a morally “grey” idea rather than totally evil and disgusting like we know it now. if you watch FICTIONAL hamilton you’ll see what i mean.
I agree with your rant. but I would like to counter the 'grey area' doing my own long research, in real life, slavery was a trend like hot-topic clothing. if you had money, you owned slaves. Jefferson tried TWICE to get rid of it in America (the draft of the Constitution and His letter from France.) Hamilton and Laurens tried as well... the problem is that... well.. like he said "We can't answer a Question if we don't have a answer." because the north needed the south. can you imagine the Civil War that early? america would have collapsed much MUCH earlier and all that fighting would have been for nothing. Slavery is bad. And it still exists. it's a cancer. But back then, it was even worse. And at the time, waiting until 1808 was the right call. alright! thanks for reading if you made it all the way :)
Actual Hamilton was an abolitionist and didn’t like slavery, he just didn’t really think that he could do much to end it and the common thought at the time was that slavery would end itself.
@@michaelterrell5061 Hamilton was not an abolitionist, he may have thought slavery wasn't good but that doesnt make him an abolitionist. An abolitionist is someone who openly fights for the end of slavery, and Hamilton never did, had no problem working in the slave trade, marrying into a slaveholding family and buy, sell, rent slaves for them and even for himself. Even tho Chernow's book takes a very rosy, heroic view of Hamilton, uou have to keep in mind that he's a writer, a journalist and not an actual historian. Hamilton was more preoccupied about his own place in society, his advancement and ambitions, his financial plans and his legacy than social justice and ending slavery
@@sergentculotte2147 He was a member of the Manumission society which actively sought to end slavery. He married into a wealthy family and his father in law owned slaves, he personally did not.
When Washington bangs his gavel on the desk, you can hear a clock ticking and then an explosion. I love about this part is because it shows the future consequences of that decision, with the "next generation" of Americans experiencing the America Civil War, Reconstruction and the Gilded Age
I can see why this song was cut honestly, it is a shame but it's tone is significantly darker than any of the other songs in the musical, it's just good that we have access to it in the first place
The change of pace and energy that comes from this is amazing It threw me off in the best way,every single time i hear Jefferson say " *HOW DARE YOU* " I get chills it just makes your spine shiver and i love that
0:00 Introduction: As always Washington starts off by this time describing the issue of slavery and the petition by B. Franklin wondering if they should ban slavery. 0:24 Jefferson’s Argument: Jefferson starts off explaining that all states can’t make a decision to ban slavery until 1808 and that even though slavery would be banned racism would still catch up to them. He also explains that it could be impossible to ban slave trades now even if it’s a great idea. Then later on he also says that he attempted to have one place to end forms of slavery but failed to come up with the votes. 1:02 Hamilton’s Argument Hamilton says that the longer they wait for 1808 to make a debate about the topic than the population in each state doubles and maybe triples itself each year. Mentioning that Washington owner slaves before and that they would have their souls cursed when they die. At the end he roasts Jefferson mentioning his sexual relationship with Sally Hemings. 1:54 Madison’s Plan As for Madison he suggested a compromise a that the debate will still happen in 1808 (despite his belief that the debate would be a disaster). After telling both North and South that they’ll stay with the 1800s being the deadline they hope that the worst will pass over. 2:23 Washington’s Decision Washington agreed with Madison’s argument and tells him to tell all the states. After the discussion is over he hopes that the next generation of people could think of a better idea to abolish slavery.
Interesting thing about this song is that they really all agree for the most part. Although Hamilton still tries to take a cheap shot. Good that they call him out for it.
I think that the biggest thing I love about this: It doesn't paint Jefferson is a arrogant light. name ONE TIME in his turn he takes a hit and Ham in this song, 0. every point he makes. Are very valid.
I feel like before Lauren’s died Both him and Hamilton wanted to abolish Slavery but when Lauren’s died Hamilton felt like he made a promise to Lauren’s and that was, of course getting rid of slavery yet I feel that being a founding father got in the way of that, most of our founding fathers owned slaves because when they became more important they got more money so they got bigger housing and since the founding fathers thought of themselves as royalty they didn’t want to clean/ didn’t have time to, leading to them buying slaves. I feel like some of this rubbed off on Alex because he grew up poor in a very poor town so when he came to America he didn’t really know what the wealthy did with their money and I hate to say it but having slaves became a sort of “trend” so Alex felt pressured and because he had never had much money he didn’t know what to do with it leading to him buying slaves but I feel like he always felt guilty about it like he let Lauren’s down or betrayed Lauren’s who was one of his best friends. In the end of the song he sounded more defeated so I’m guessing that he didn’t want to fight against slavery because of all of the backlash he would get for it (sorry this was really long)
He grew up with slaves. His mum iwned slaves back in St Croix. You didnt have to be super wealthy to have them. Granted when she died they were sold as part of her business, and Hamilton spent the next decade poor AF, but slaves certainly were not new to him.
It’s also worth mentioning that African slavery just….wasn’t really seen as immoral by most people at the time. It’s not like most people thought it was a thing worth supporting either, but a lot of people just didn’t think it was an issue really worth causing conflict over, especially in a new nation.
Cabinet battle #4 G: The issue on the table J: It's Hamilton we cant get him off the table M: Hamilton get down H: *NO* (Not my joke but I thought it was funny)
I just want to know that this song does a good job of rationalizing the decision to make The Reynolds Pamphlet. Yes everyone agreed to not speak of it publicly, but the fact remains that (within the context of the play) Hamilton's top enemies are just casually aware of his secret and can casually threaten him with it at ANY time (as shown in this song). How long can he count on them to keep silent? Isn't it better he rip off the band-aid and take control of the narrative? After all, rumors only grow.
To be honest, I think all three of them have good points. Slavery is bad and shouldn't continue (or happen again) but you couldn't just abruptly stop slavery and not face repercussions. Also, you face the problem that (most) Slave owners aren't just going to treat people (who they see as property) kindly or humanly. It's just not going to happen. (Sad, but true back then.) James Madison had the best argument but both Alexander and Jefferson bring in really good points. (When they weren't arguing like oversized babies) Overall, it's an awesome song and this was an awesome animatic.
This song is quite slow and deliberate, which really gives it feel like you're backed into a dark corner which really matches the fact that the song is about not really having great options
The twisted thing about this debate is that both of them are right. Jefferson’s point about America literally being politically and economically unable to answer the question of slavery is dead on. Anything other than what they did likely would’ve caused the United States to collapse. So Jefferson’s hope that future generations could solve this issue has merit. But Hamilton was also right. In the end, kicking the can down the road led to the Civil War, where hundreds of thousands of Americans died, proving in the end that it was probably better to rip the bandaid off in the beginning.
I..... why have I never heard cabinet battle 3....I love it it’s so relaxed and interesting and detailed... I. I love it! Why didn’t anyone show me this before now!? Also great animation it was nicely done.
I mean, a civil war musical does exist. It's just not rap, but it is a popular musical about the civil war through the eyes of all sides. Slaves, confederates, and Yankees.
Washington also refused to break up families and freed his slaves after death. Thomas Jefferson outlawed the slave trade. We shouldn't romanticize them nor unduly demonize them.
Coming back to this song now with everything going on, mostly in America, hits hard. I think Lin should have included this one, or at least acknowledged slavery more. I love this animatic though! You’re very talented
it would have raised controversy in vain and people would have lost the message of the work. that would stop being the "life and work of Hamilton" and would become "that moment when no one stopped slavery"
I wonder when this was gonna be in the show. I mean Washington is still here, yet there’s the bomb line “do you really wanna have that conversation?” implying the reynolds pamphlet has already been published. But, one last time happens way before the reynolds pamphlet. so washington couldn’t have been there! very interesting!
It was a song made during the early days of development and got left out as the musical took its final form. It doesn't fit in anymore chronologically for the reasons you stated.
@@Teknanam Granted they still could have worked around it. In real life, Eliza was already married when Hamilton meets her for the first time. However, tone wise it clashes with the rest of the musical. Not to mention, I don't think it would fit from a story perspective either.
Jeffeson was a hypocrite, but laws at the time ensured even if he wantd to free his 600 slaves, he'd go broke and all the slaves would be kicked out of Virginia.
@@yay7707 Consent age at the time was 10-12 so culturally, no one would miss a blink at Jefferson getting into a relationship with a 14-16 year old. Which leaves the slave part. A factor to remember though is the relationship started in France at an unknown date, but she was 16 when she was pregnant. She'd be 16 in 1789 which was when France abolished slavery and when Jefferson and the Hemings headed back to the states. Both Sally and her older brother James (who payed for a tutor to teach them both French) could legally refuse to come back to America with Jefferson since they weren't his slaves there. While there is no reports of James saying he'll stay, one of Sally's sons says she told Jefferson she wasn't coming back and in order to get her to come back with him, he had to promise her extraordinary privileges for her and any children they had. In the end, Sally chose to be a privileged slave in Monticello rather than be a free woman in France. Situation is still screwed up, but way too many people imagine Sally as a helpless sex slave when thinking about the Hemings-Jefferson relationship. We'll never know the exact nature of it. But we do know Sally had some odd attachment to Jefferson after he died, choosing to keep some of his belongings before she was informally freed by Jefferson's daughter (and Sally's niece since she was the half sister to Jefferson's wife).
as much as i love this song, and how i love that it teaches people even more about slavery that we dont really learn in school (at least i dont, im achally finishing my slavery unit in school now lol) but i understand why it wasnt included, it takes place somewhere between the renyolds pamphlet and the world was wide enogh. (i think this because madison and jefferson were pretty much calling hamilton a hypocrite about him calling jefferson out on cheating) and that point in the musical really didnt have time for that. after all they needed to cover burn, congragulations (AH WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE CUT) phillips death, burr losing the election, ect. its possible this song took place before that though, considering washington was still there and hadnt retiered. but going back to my point, it dosent make sence to bring up this topic out of the blue. the musical does mention slavery quite a few times, but its not all about it. i think having a song dedicated to it- while fun and amazing, it dosent belong. thank you for hearing me out :D also sorry about my grammer and spelling T-T
Actually it wasn't that Jefferson was cheating, his wife had already died, long ago when he was 39, she was 33, when he was with 'Sally' he was 45 and she was 14-16
This is my favorite song from the mixtape and I’m always happy to see that people remember it exists! I love this animatic, it’s definitely on of my favorites!
„Sir, even you, you have hundreds of slaves Whose descendants will curse our names when we're safe in our graves” God I love Lin, this is such an incredible line, the song itself s amazing I’m so sad it didn’t make it in.
This animation is great! I also get why he took this out of the final script. It may have went down a rabbit hole he didn't want to go for the story but also Hamilton may have benefitted more from slavery irl than the show portrays
goood i so dumb how did i not relize that was bleak mail "do you really ,do you really, what to have that conversation? "...OH and the animaten was really good bay the way how jefferson gletct out there was really cool!.
Wait... Wait! Did I just figure out that the reason Madison and Jefferson say “Do you really wanna have that conversation?” This Song used to take place before We Know, and Hamilton says something about Jefferson’s affair before that, and Madison and Jefferson are implying that they know what happened with Hamilton’s affair. THE AMOUNT OF DETAILS!! Edit: TYSM for whoever liked this! I don’t get likes often! 😁
First of all, this was a good one. Second, much darker tone than 1&2. Third, this song makes angry. What reasons, I don't know yet. Lastly, I dunno which side to choose.
“It cannot go ignored.”
Lin: _cuts this song out_
Me: Apparently it can.
That part
OML I ALMOST CHOKED ON MY SODA READING THIS-
Well you can say that he was out of his GODDAM MIND
@@Amat3ur_h0ur I know right this would have been one of the best songs in Hamilton
Well yeah, it can't have his favorite pet OC losing TOO much face.
I like when Lin tries to do the other cast members voices because he ends up sounding adorable
Yeah uwu Lin is an angel :3
springbon -t he really is :3
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Okay I have no idea but I assume he recorded the demos before working with the cast?
I mean that’s questionable in the satisfied demo😂
"As with slandering Mr. Jefferson with mistresses, do you really, _do you really_ , want to have *that conversation?*
I FRIKIN LOVE IT
love2draw doodles SAME
I hate that line alot. Yeah sure, Hamilton may have cheated. But Jefferson cant use that to comapres to what he did
jefferson spoke out against slavery, sure. But hes the same person THAT RAPED A FUCKING UNDERAGED 30 YEARS YOUNGER SLAVE. people also cheated alot back then so, no, Hamilton does have a point in this.
@@yay7707 good point. I meant something else, but I understand why you thought I meant something different. I was saying how I love how it sounds, just the echo, and the animatic makes it better. Thanks for sharing your points though!
@@yay7707 ....the slave was also his dead wife’s half sister...
I teared up I was like “OH SHIT DONT COME FOR MY CINNAMON ROLL AT LEAST HIS AFFAIR WAS CONSENSUAL!” I had a lot of mixed emotions from this mostly because I’m African America so. I teared up like “damn ham tried everything to free us.
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@@pine4218 Tru there are others that have awesome work too but they don´t post very much uwu
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@@PersianMapper Agztwvakagragsczyakafadasagssc XDDDDDD! I can hear that in my mind LOL ♡
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i just noticed when Jefferson "says how dare you" if you pause it at the right second you can se a freaky distorted version of Jefferson can be seen holding the Reynolds pamphlet
Or turn the playback speed of 0.25
Oh damn. It's only 2 frames. How did you see that?
“And as for slandering Jefferson with talk of mistresses, do you really wanna, really wanna have that conversation?” There’s a difference between the two. Maria Reynolds was a consenting adult. Sally Hemings was 14 when Jefferson’s abuse began
It's still cheating. and in the context of the play... it would have made sense.
@@CraftageNate It is still cheating but what Jefferson did was much, much worse and he really can’t argue about mistresses when he did such awful things
@@Thathestiadevotee Oh your 100% right. I agree. Let me repeat: I. AGREE.
but in the play, considering what we know about Fantasy Ham and Jefferson, it's a valid comeback.
So for the song it works. But from a historical point, not. at. all.
@@CraftageNate OH. Sorry I didn’t realize what you meant at that moment. In the musical, this definitely works with fantasy Ham and Jefferson. Thank you for specifying.
@@Thathestiadevotee No problem! Have a good night brother!
"Holy moly, he talks"
Same tho Ham XD
"Our descendants will curse are names when we are safe in are graves"
Well I mean yes
Our. OUR!
Our names. Not are names.
@xx_neon_axel_xx No. Stop excusing stupidity. People need to learn to fucking spell, it really isn't that hard.
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@@savagesavie1701 Auto correct isn't that retarded, and even if it were, is it really so hard to take five seconds to fix it yourself? Bitch please.
I love how Hamilton sounds so desperate in his argument, because even though he presented good arguments, and it’s a downright moral issue, in the end, he still witnessed slavery in his home, and his dead friend fought against slavery
Ok this was a very good detail and I just want to mention it
Notice at the beginning and most of the song Alexander was almost a really bright white, Thomas and George were a light grey and James was a darker grey, then notice after James mentions Alexander’s affair, Alexander goes to a light grey like Thomas
The animator of this might’ve done it on purpose or not but it makes it look like that Alexander lost confidence the more the battle went on and by the end of it his confidence wasn’t really there which is why he just decided to agree with them. And this goes along with James, when he first stepped in he was a darker grey and after Hamilton interrupted him he was a lighter grey and swung back at Alexander signifying that he had more confidence in his opinions. And again same goes with Thomas, when Alexander mentioned his wife he kind of turned a darker grey and started flashing black because he lost a lot of confidence and what he said really affected Thomas
The creator might’ve not even meant to do this, which in that case this rant would’ve been absolutely pointless
But if they did mean to do it, it was a really good detail to add and it made it kind of easier to connect to their emotions
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HOW DID I NOT NOTICE THAT! I like to also interpret it as the conversation slowly going more morally grey and ambiguous, even through its obvious that slavery is bad, how would you tackle something like this? But I did not notice him growing grayer so thank you for that info.
@@springbon-t1874 just you wait, just you wait..
OMG I can't believe you figured all that out you got a real good eye my dude!!!
I wish this was in the musical it would have been good
Eruel jhon Mallorca really, h don’t remember it in the musical..
@@corndogthemagnificent2212 it wasnt included
I don’t think it was included because this would jumble the timeline up a lot
Exotic Cats I agree but It’s just so good and I want to here all of them sing it lol
Lilli's Realm I think it was really needed, or at least be more well known as a deleted song, just link how Congratulations is. This song is underrated. But we need it today now more than ever because of the protests happening in America, the “cancel Hamilton” hashtag going around because of some vocal minority wanting to cancel the show because of the lack of attention brought to the slave-owning side of the founding fathers. I disagree with cancelling the show, so I wish this song was more widely known in the fandom so people know that Lin did originally consider addressing that the founding fathers owned slaves and their immoral decisions.
“We can’t address the question if we do not have an answer”
Here to report from 200 years later: we have the answer, but for some reason America forgot how to pick up the pen.
Good thing we knew how to use a pen a century and a half ago.
Jefferson: "HOW DARE YOU!"
Ok Satan/Karen
what's the difference between satan and a karen?
the answer is no.
“How to punch someone through the internet”
@@slushy711 that's rude
To satan
@@slushy711 HAHAHA
Washington: Hamilton! What did I say about comparing Thomas Jefferson to the devil?
Hamilton: That it's offensive to the devil?
Hamilton thinks of Washington good, so it sounds like him, but Jefferson and Madison sound possessed, creepy and foreign, which was a really cool effect.
I thought the... Hamilton community was dead omg!
No hun some of us live on forever
Mixed Love GOOD TO KNOW
Same lol I got into this fandom like 5 years late
@@lazy_prerfectionist1042 SAME
Hell to the nah
Hamilton fans: Man, the 2 cabinet battle songs are amazing!
Lin: *_theres three, actually_*
The little Jefferson glitches look amazing!!!!!
I like that while the other two battles are more combative, and deal with issues both opponents knew exactly where they wanted to take it, with this one introducing slavery the tone's almost melancholic, as it adds ethics into the matter, and neither party really has a solution as to how to deal with it.
I wish Lin included this. Like does it portray the founding fathers in a bad light?, yes but they were pretty crap people irl and it would've romanticized these characters less
@Little_biscuit 333 To be honest, I'm having a hard time trying to place this song. Could it go-between Washington on your side/one last time?
If i'm correct, he made this track after Hamilton was published, so rip to that idea. No joke, it would be pretty nice to have this around here somewhere though.
@@carolinemcgovern4488 yeah, thats actully a good placement, it wouldnt make sense for them to sing this before Washington on your side or after One last time. It would also feel like washington didn't run for president again because of it. Unless this wouldnt be the third cabinet battle and maybe came before.
@Little_biscuit 333 I just read your comment and I find it really interesting and would like to put my input here. I can agree, they did some horrible things, and that they also did some really good things but the part that I agree with but also disagree with is the fact that you said: "Although it was socially acceptable during that time period ... they did horrible things also". Its the fact that it was socially acceptable at the time, think of it from a more recent example, segregation of people of colour in America and Australia (I'm not sure what happened in Britain and other countries I only know these two). It was seen as socially acceptable to have people separated due to the colour of their skin, I'm not saying it was the right thing to do, but at the time of it starting it was seen as socially acceptable, and so no one said or did anything. I guess what I'm getting at is the fact that at the time no one did anything about the issue because they didn't see the issue or didn't want to see the bigger picture overall. It also takes a lot of courage to stand against the majority and it is usually required that you follow the bigger part of the population. (Also I can accept the fact that you were saying that in regards to the song being placed into the musical and what that would have done for the overall mood of the musical, and if I can I would also like to point out that you never made a comment about how it never mentioned that fact that Hamilton worked for shipping slaves and owned two himself and what that would have done for our protagonist.)
PS. I am not disagreeing with you I agree 100% there were just somethings that I noticed that I wanted to point out :)
Trisha Tolentino but at the same time it does mention Sally Hemings in a very disrespectful way. Calling her a mistress and the way Hamilton said “while you’re he-hawing with sally Hemings” when in reality Jefferson abused and got her pregnant starting when she was only fourteen. That’s why I don’t think it should have been included
The issue on the table. The timing...
Hamilton’s affair with Maria Reynolds took place from 1791-2. The affair wasn’t revealed until 1797. Benjamin Franklin died in 1790. Either Franklin had a time machine, or the Quaker petition wasn’t addressed for seven or more years.
if Ben had a time machine, we'd catch him on the CCTV of modern day strip clubs lets be real
@@TheCreepyLantern fjdjfkgkg ur so right
also the timeline in Hamilton is already so messed up I think basically every character
must have had a Time Machine,,,
He signed the petition on February 3, 1790 lol so yea, 🤷 timeliness is a bit off...but mentioning the affair did enough damage to Hamilton he couldn't argue further.
If they are referring to the Quaker's Petition I studied at school, it was written in the late 1600s
the entire timing of the musical is pretty bad anyway, Hamilton and Burs meeting time is wrong cause they wanted to go whit 1776 beacause it’s a more recognizable date, the winter ball years is wrong, the first battle year is wrong too
I love the song but Alexander sounds so sad, depressed, like he is giving up😔
OH MY GOD, I never thought I would find another animation with this song.
James finally stepping up, Thomas his face when Sally's face was mentioned.
If you accept requests, can you maybe make the Adams administration? The full rap, if not that's completely fine!
Keep up the amazing work.
Adams Administration?, the off-broadway one? YOU GOT IT MAN! :D (And thank you so much)
@@springbon-t1874 Yeah, that one! Oh my God, this will be epic! Thank you so much!
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@@springbon-t1874 OML UR WISH CAME TRUE-
Jefferson started it
WHY IS JEFFERSON LITERALLY A HEAD TALLER THAN HAMMY HAM
I need to know why this is a consistent idea that was also drawn in the last animatic I viewed.
Actually in real life Jefferson was taller than Ham so... i guess that´s why
@@spongelover722 and @KeiraTheKontortionist, yep that's why
springbon -t thanks for the explanation! I thought it was just an exaduration (however you spell it :P)
@@beesare_cool Sure no problem, actually of you search it, Thomas was like 1.89 and Ham like 1.7 so... Hammy was small XD
Thomas Jefferson was 6’2 if I’m not mistaken. Alexander is debated to be 5’10 or 5’7. I personally believe he was 5’7, but that’s basically the explanation.
It's weird knowing Thomas Jefferson owned slaves but wasn't pro slavery and it's also weird how in school we aren't taught how Thomas Jefferson originally denounced slavery in the declaration of independence
Also that hamilton himself owned slaves
History and humanity are complicated
It's not often addressed, but history is incredibly messy. It always has been and forever will be. Hamilton himself was not an abolitionist and it was only through relatively recent searching through his cash book we found evidence of purchase of slave labor for, presumably, his household. As to how well these folk were treated, we can't know as that's long lost to history. Slavery was a massive institution for the vast majority of human history. To a lesser extent today and far less accepted. History isn't, or rather, very rarely is a clear cut good vs evil. It is distinct in it's humanity within it's various stories. The attempts made to cancel men long since dead for lacking the supposed enlightened thinking of the modern day is an utter waste. It was tragic yes and it should be addressed in teachings. However, letting it overshadow the accomplishments they each achieved is no better. History is often nasty and embroiled in savage practices by today's standards. But never forget without them we wouldn't be here to complain or address it in the first place.
@@imotekh6110 Yup. It's important to understand both the bad and good of any group or individual. Not to say there aren't those who have more bad than good, but that we acknowledge both to understand history as complex and yet easy to accept, warts and all.
@@imotekh6110Agreed, but for the record i just want to say these are still rich white old slaveowners we are talking about and people, especially black people have a right to disown them. Just because they 'founded' america doesn't mean im going to act like they're these tragic morally grey demigods lost to history
Im kinda glad that lin didn't put this song in the musical. Slavery is a kinda sensitive topic still and to have such a diverse cast, but it's a great song.
Trina Whitaker I agree that it shouldn’t be in the official musical because it doesn’t fit with the narrative, message or story that the show is trying to convey, and that slavery and race is still controversial/sensitive topic. But because of the BLM protests and the cancel Hamilton hashtag surfacing, people should be more aware about the faults of the founding fathers, but also that Lin did briefly consider putting this in the musical and giving attention to the ugly side of the characters and to be more historically accurate.
@@silversunset wait- There's a hashtag for that? Why?
The Man Behind The Slaughter Sadly yes because nowadays there are people who get offended really easy and there is a cancel culture think going on on twitter. But Hamilton will be fine because it is only a vocal minority that wants it cancelled.
@@conuson_candl1877 oooofff I hate "everyone is just too gosh darn sensitive nowdays" replies.
The basics of it is: dispite hip hop and dispite diverse casting, Hamilton does nothing to make us rethink or revist the founding fathers mythology. In this current time in America when the people are questioning that mythology and the monuments with to it, there are those who are also questioning Hamiltons place in it.
No, It should have been in there.
I love how the end is a *literal ticking time bomb.*
Oh wow....the mention of Sally Hemings of was deep in this song 😰
"As for slandering Jefferson with talk of mistresses.. Do you really wanna- really wanna have that conversation?"
My jaw actually dropped. That part paired with the visuals of the animatic is just amazing.
Onnnn the other hand.... At least Maria Reynolds was a grown ass adult who had the legal right to refuse without fear of punishment..... Sally was a minor and a slave, neither of which enforce the idea that she could refuse.
So, while neither party is "in the right," it's stealing a single chapstick from Walmart vs grand larceny.
They could have actually, Hamilton's affair was mutual, both parties had free will in the matter. That was not the case for Jefferson.
just to point out a small detail when they said that.
what is in the background...?
sheets of paper...
the Reynolds pamphlet.
🤯🤯
@@krisynthiagomez5883Jefferson did it whit a slave tho: Sally Hemings , and being a slave she had no rights so FOR THE TIME Hamiltons cheating would have been worse
@@leonida5943 that was my point the slave woman didn’t have a say in the matter, Hamilton’s mistress did.
I gasped so loud when it said,
"How will the south find labor for its businesses?"
"How will Thomas Jefferson find his next mistresses?"
I like how at the end Washington says "Let's hope the generation thinks of something better". And I immediately jump up my seat and point at the scream. And I shouted "They will!"
Yeah...
Civil war.
@@dewo277e9 if it works
rant time: although i feel cabinet battle 3 would have been a good addition to show the effect of politics on people and character development for the FICTIONAL hamilton, the ACTUAL hamilton wasn’t much of an abolitionist (even though he’s portrayed that way) like john laurens was and that doesn’t sit right with me - so i agree with LMM’s decision to cut it since it’s not accurate and doesn’t further the plot. that said i like this animatic of it because of the subtle color changes of FICTIONAL hamilton and jefferson, kinda illustrates how slavery was viewed as a morally “grey” idea rather than totally evil and disgusting like we know it now. if you watch FICTIONAL hamilton you’ll see what i mean.
I agree with your rant.
but I would like to counter the 'grey area'
doing my own long research, in real life, slavery was a trend like hot-topic clothing. if you had money, you owned slaves.
Jefferson tried TWICE to get rid of it in America (the draft of the Constitution and His letter from France.) Hamilton and Laurens tried as well...
the problem is that... well.. like he said "We can't answer a Question if we don't have a answer."
because the north needed the south. can you imagine the Civil War that early? america would have collapsed much MUCH earlier and all that fighting would have been for nothing.
Slavery is bad. And it still exists. it's a cancer. But back then, it was even worse. And at the time, waiting until 1808 was the right call.
alright! thanks for reading if you made it all the way :)
Actual Hamilton was an abolitionist and didn’t like slavery, he just didn’t really think that he could do much to end it and the common thought at the time was that slavery would end itself.
@@michaelterrell5061 Hamilton was not an abolitionist, he may have thought slavery wasn't good but that doesnt make him an abolitionist. An abolitionist is someone who openly fights for the end of slavery, and Hamilton never did, had no problem working in the slave trade, marrying into a slaveholding family and buy, sell, rent slaves for them and even for himself. Even tho Chernow's book takes a very rosy, heroic view of Hamilton, uou have to keep in mind that he's a writer, a journalist and not an actual historian. Hamilton was more preoccupied about his own place in society, his advancement and ambitions, his financial plans and his legacy than social justice and ending slavery
Wait a minute, isn’t he the founder of New York manumission society? Or am I missing something
@@sergentculotte2147 He was a member of the Manumission society which actively sought to end slavery. He married into a wealthy family and his father in law owned slaves, he personally did not.
When Washington bangs his gavel on the desk, you can hear a clock ticking and then an explosion. I love about this part is because it shows the future consequences of that decision, with the "next generation" of Americans experiencing the America Civil War, Reconstruction and the Gilded Age
My favorite cut song because A. It deals with a huge national issue and B. Madison actually has a verse
-I genuinely thought nobody made these hamilton animatics anymore-
Lemme tell you that this is actually awesome and I love it 🌸🌸
I can see why this song was cut honestly, it is a shame but it's tone is significantly darker than any of the other songs in the musical, it's just good that we have access to it in the first place
The change of pace and energy that comes from this is amazing It threw me off in the best way,every single time i hear Jefferson say
" *HOW DARE YOU* "
I get chills it just makes your spine shiver and i love that
0:00 Introduction:
As always Washington starts off by this time describing the issue of slavery and the petition by B. Franklin wondering if they should ban slavery.
0:24 Jefferson’s Argument:
Jefferson starts off explaining that all states can’t make a decision to ban slavery until 1808 and that even though slavery would be banned racism would still catch up to them. He also explains that it could be impossible to ban slave trades now even if it’s a great idea. Then later on he also says that he attempted to have one place to end forms of slavery but failed to come up with the votes.
1:02 Hamilton’s Argument
Hamilton says that the longer they wait for 1808 to make a debate about the topic than the population in each state doubles and maybe triples itself each year. Mentioning that Washington owner slaves before and that they would have their souls cursed when they die. At the end he roasts Jefferson mentioning his sexual relationship with Sally Hemings.
1:54 Madison’s Plan
As for Madison he suggested a compromise a that the debate will still happen in 1808 (despite his belief that the debate would be a disaster). After telling both North and South that they’ll stay with the 1800s being the deadline they hope that the worst will pass over.
2:23 Washington’s Decision
Washington agreed with Madison’s argument and tells him to tell all the states. After the discussion is over he hopes that the next generation of people could think of a better idea to abolish slavery.
If your wondering what the glitch of Jefferson was I'm gonna describe it: he's smiling and crying in tears and yeah
And oh there's another one where he's holding the pamphlet so there's two different ones
Interesting thing about this song is that they really all agree for the most part. Although Hamilton still tries to take a cheap shot. Good that they call him out for it.
I think that the biggest thing I love about this: It doesn't paint Jefferson is a arrogant light.
name ONE TIME in his turn he takes a hit and Ham in this song, 0. every point he makes. Are very valid.
I feel like before Lauren’s died Both him and Hamilton wanted to abolish Slavery but when Lauren’s died Hamilton felt like he made a promise to Lauren’s and that was, of course getting rid of slavery yet I feel that being a founding father got in the way of that, most of our founding fathers owned slaves because when they became more important they got more money so they got bigger housing and since the founding fathers thought of themselves as royalty they didn’t want to clean/ didn’t have time to, leading to them buying slaves. I feel like some of this rubbed off on Alex because he grew up poor in a very poor town so when he came to America he didn’t really know what the wealthy did with their money and I hate to say it but having slaves became a sort of “trend” so Alex felt pressured and because he had never had much money he didn’t know what to do with it leading to him buying slaves but I feel like he always felt guilty about it like he let Lauren’s down or betrayed Lauren’s who was one of his best friends. In the end of the song he sounded more defeated so I’m guessing that he didn’t want to fight against slavery because of all of the backlash he would get for it (sorry this was really long)
L A M S
just wants to point out a minor correction:
The Hamiltons did have a few slaves.
But your whole point stands and I'm not challenging it in anyway
He grew up with slaves. His mum iwned slaves back in St Croix. You didnt have to be super wealthy to have them. Granted when she died they were sold as part of her business, and Hamilton spent the next decade poor AF, but slaves certainly were not new to him.
It’s also worth mentioning that African slavery just….wasn’t really seen as immoral by most people at the time.
It’s not like most people thought it was a thing worth supporting either, but a lot of people just didn’t think it was an issue really worth causing conflict over, especially in a new nation.
the whole time alex is like: *this is what john wanted...*
Omg you don't have to make me cry like this
@@red-qw5jd”do you really wanna REALLY WANNA have that conversation”
I love Alex’s hair in this 🥳
Its gone tho...
1:41 bah, that disturbs me more than it ought to. It really is like their possessed, but not...but worse. Like sin itself is grinning back.
1:40 I LOVE IIIT😻
“Let’s hope the next generation thinks of something better” idk I feel like that still happens and at some point I might be doing that
Cabinet battle #4
G: The issue on the table
J: It's Hamilton we cant get him off the table
M: Hamilton get down
H: *NO*
(Not my joke but I thought it was funny)
H: the table is comfy.
I like to sit on a surface that Isn’t meant to be sat on, because at the end of the day I’m to overwhelmed to care about what is and is no a chair.
@@lizlake4462 Eyyyyyyyyy
He likes to feel tall...
@@lizlake4462 YES
I just want to know that this song does a good job of rationalizing the decision to make The Reynolds Pamphlet.
Yes everyone agreed to not speak of it publicly, but the fact remains that (within the context of the play) Hamilton's top enemies are just casually aware of his secret and can casually threaten him with it at ANY time (as shown in this song).
How long can he count on them to keep silent? Isn't it better he rip off the band-aid and take control of the narrative?
After all, rumors only grow.
Wow 😮
If that song was actually added the show would have taken a dark turn
John would be so mad rn 💔
This looks good! Amazing job keep it up you're amazing!
"doing whatever the hell it is you do in Monticello!" (I HAD TO)
the extra writing
ham: put that thing away from me
washington: i’m to old for this
ham: holy molly he talks
To be honest, I think all three of them have good points. Slavery is bad and shouldn't continue (or happen again) but you couldn't just abruptly stop slavery and not face repercussions. Also, you face the problem that (most) Slave owners aren't just going to treat people (who they see as property) kindly or humanly. It's just not going to happen. (Sad, but true back then.) James Madison had the best argument but both Alexander and Jefferson bring in really good points. (When they weren't arguing like oversized babies)
Overall, it's an awesome song and this was an awesome animatic.
This song is quite slow and deliberate, which really gives it feel like you're backed into a dark corner which really matches the fact that the song is about not really having great options
Hamilton defending Ending the slave trade
Me: He's totally thinking about making Laurens proud.
Did you forget Lafayette?
this is why fandom fucking sucks
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The twisted thing about this debate is that both of them are right.
Jefferson’s point about America literally being politically and economically unable to answer the question of slavery is dead on. Anything other than what they did likely would’ve caused the United States to collapse. So Jefferson’s hope that future generations could solve this issue has merit.
But Hamilton was also right. In the end, kicking the can down the road led to the Civil War, where hundreds of thousands of Americans died, proving in the end that it was probably better to rip the bandaid off in the beginning.
Anyone pause on the “How DARE you?!” Part Jefferson says? That frame had me shook-
I..... why have I never heard cabinet battle 3....I love it it’s so relaxed and interesting and detailed... I. I love it! Why didn’t anyone show me this before now!? Also great animation it was nicely done.
I feel like Lin should write a Civil war musical. Idk why but someone needs to write it, the ultimate sequel to hamilton.
I mean, a civil war musical does exist. It's just not rap, but it is a popular musical about the civil war through the eyes of all sides. Slaves, confederates, and Yankees.
@@zoinks8868 Ah, thanks for yelling me.
What is it called?
Maybe a musical about the life of Frederick Douglass. That be interesting to see
Imagine how sad Hamilton felt...I mean...his best friend was against slavery...Alex probably felt que fail John :(
DUDE THIS IS AMAZING
Thank you! :D
"Let's hope the next generation thinks of something better"
😳 well fuck thats haunting-
Remember, both Washington and Jefferson were horrible slave owners. Don't let the musical change that.
Washington also refused to break up families and freed his slaves after death. Thomas Jefferson outlawed the slave trade. We shouldn't romanticize them nor unduly demonize them.
Coming back to this song now with everything going on, mostly in America, hits hard. I think Lin should have included this one, or at least acknowledged slavery more. I love this animatic though! You’re very talented
it would have raised controversy in vain and people would have lost the message of the work.
that would stop being the
"life and work of Hamilton" and would become "that moment when no one stopped slavery"
This is great! I really enjoy your style.
Thank you!!
i wanna say that the fact this did not make it into the OBC album further accentuates the "under the rug" discussion of the sensitive topic here
I wonder when this was gonna be in the show. I mean Washington is still here, yet there’s the bomb line “do you really wanna have that conversation?” implying the reynolds pamphlet has already been published. But, one last time happens way before the reynolds pamphlet. so washington couldn’t have been there! very interesting!
It was a song made during the early days of development and got left out as the musical took its final form. It doesn't fit in anymore chronologically for the reasons you stated.
@@Teknanam Granted they still could have worked around it. In real life, Eliza was already married when Hamilton meets her for the first time. However, tone wise it clashes with the rest of the musical. Not to mention, I don't think it would fit from a story perspective either.
To make it more confusing, the petition in question was in 1790, years before Hamilton had his affair.
Who's gonna tell Hamilton he wont even live till 1808-?! XD
Not it
this style is JUST MW A H💕💕 i love this
U are like one of the very few people to still make Hamilton animations and pls don’t stop
If Madison had a song this would be it. Prove me wrong.
OK IM HERE NOW AND THIS IS GREAT!! The black and white colours show how old the debate is, and the angles are amazing! 💙💙💙💙❤️❤️❤️❤️
Jefferson: “Slavery's a sin”
Also Jefferson: *is a slave owner*
Jeffeson was a hypocrite, but laws at the time ensured even if he wantd to free his 600 slaves, he'd go broke and all the slaves would be kicked out of Virginia.
Teknanam okay sure that might had been a good excuse. But it wont excuse the fact that HE RAPED A UNDERAGED 30 YEARS YOUNGER SLAVE
@@yay7707
Consent age at the time was 10-12 so culturally, no one would miss a blink at Jefferson getting into a relationship with a 14-16 year old. Which leaves the slave part. A factor to remember though is the relationship started in France at an unknown date, but she was 16 when she was pregnant. She'd be 16 in 1789 which was when France abolished slavery and when Jefferson and the Hemings headed back to the states. Both Sally and her older brother James (who payed for a tutor to teach them both French) could legally refuse to come back to America with Jefferson since they weren't his slaves there. While there is no reports of James saying he'll stay, one of Sally's sons says she told Jefferson she wasn't coming back and in order to get her to come back with him, he had to promise her extraordinary privileges for her and any children they had. In the end, Sally chose to be a privileged slave in Monticello rather than be a free woman in France.
Situation is still screwed up, but way too many people imagine Sally as a helpless sex slave when thinking about the Hemings-Jefferson relationship. We'll never know the exact nature of it. But we do know Sally had some odd attachment to Jefferson after he died, choosing to keep some of his belongings before she was informally freed by Jefferson's daughter (and Sally's niece since she was the half sister to Jefferson's wife).
@@Teknanam true
@@Teknanam that's the most interesting thing about most of these stories, they aren't that simple.
I really like the animations of Hamilton's emotions at 1:12
You guys didn't hear right Hamilton expose Jefferson
I’m so glad someone did this Animated
"Holy moly he speaks" LMAO
You always seem to get better and better, like woah.
Why does this sound so eerie! I love it! It's so good ;w; I love the chilling atmosphere to this song
as much as i love this song, and how i love that it teaches people even more about slavery that we dont really learn in school (at least i dont, im achally finishing my slavery unit in school now lol) but i understand why it wasnt included, it takes place somewhere between the renyolds pamphlet and the world was wide enogh. (i think this because madison and jefferson were pretty much calling hamilton a hypocrite about him calling jefferson out on cheating) and that point in the musical really didnt have time for that. after all they needed to cover burn, congragulations (AH WHY DID IT HAVE TO BE CUT) phillips death, burr losing the election, ect. its possible this song took place before that though, considering washington was still there and hadnt retiered. but going back to my point, it dosent make sence to bring up this topic out of the blue. the musical does mention slavery quite a few times, but its not all about it. i think having a song dedicated to it- while fun and amazing, it dosent belong.
thank you for hearing me out :D also sorry about my grammer and spelling T-T
Actually it wasn't that Jefferson was cheating, his wife had already died, long ago when he was 39, she was 33, when he was with 'Sally' he was 45 and she was 14-16
@@lindamcgarrigle2577 yeah sally was a slave im pretty sure?
in what did i miss he asks sally for something.
This is so amazing 👏
I like your art style, i'm so glad you animated this song
This is my favorite song from the mixtape and I’m always happy to see that people remember it exists! I love this animatic, it’s definitely on of my favorites!
I just found your channel and I have to say that I absolutely *love* your artstyle!
"At least my mistress was a consenting adult"
1:54 "Holly molly he talks"
„Sir, even you, you have hundreds of slaves
Whose descendants will curse our names when we're safe in our graves”
God I love Lin, this is such an incredible line, the song itself s amazing I’m so sad it didn’t make it in.
I really wish this one had stayed in the show. It would’ve been nice too have a darker cabinet battle that showed Hamilton losing
Your animations are soo expressive . I like this animation style for that alone. Great work and thank you for reigniting my love for Hamilton .
This animation is great! I also get why he took this out of the final script. It may have went down a rabbit hole he didn't want to go for the story but also Hamilton may have benefitted more from slavery irl than the show portrays
Whoa I thought this fandom is dead already. Good job by the way! ✨✨
IT WILL NEVER BE DEAD!!!🖤💛
The clock ticking down to the civil war is incredible.
this is really madisons best song
Probably the latest Hamilton animatic i could find
goood i so dumb how did i not relize that was bleak mail "do you really ,do you really, what to have that conversation? "...OH and the animaten was really good bay the way how jefferson gletct out there was really cool!.
Wait... Wait! Did I just figure out that the reason Madison and Jefferson say “Do you really wanna have that conversation?” This Song used to take place before We Know, and Hamilton says something about Jefferson’s affair before that, and Madison and Jefferson are implying that they know what happened with Hamilton’s affair. THE AMOUNT OF DETAILS!!
Edit: TYSM for whoever liked this! I don’t get likes often! 😁
First of all, this was a good one.
Second, much darker tone than 1&2.
Third, this song makes angry.
What reasons, I don't know yet.
Lastly, I dunno which side to choose.
... the side that denounces slavery????
"do you really wanna really wanna have that conversation?"
they fuckin got him there tbh
Conspiracy:- lin made this, but broadway was too expensive cause he fired everybody and done it all himself