Yeeeessssss! Love Hina was my first romcom and I was buying the manga while it was still being written (I'm old 😅). Its genuinely one of my favorites to revisit
@@Cap1leo I’m 28. I remember reading my first volume at the library and picking it up as it was being written to. Later on I got the box set around the same time as haruhi, gantz, Appleseed, maburaho and suzuka, zero no tsukaima and ichigo 100%
When reading it, it's implied that even he didn't know until right before he tried to summon the sword, by then it was too late for him. But also yes, some things must be sacrificed for the plot 😂
@@Wanderer8008 SPOILER: Every single plot hole or reasonable course of action you could think of for all of this to not happen is impossible. Time Travel Superhero.
He wasn't aware then It was until utterly broken he realised Why would any normal person try to use magic as soon as they've come back from a fantasy world Obviously you'll think you left your magic behind as well
Defeating a Demon king is one thing. Reviving him back over and over again just to get stronger is one of the most Metal as F thing I have heard of in a Isekai story. 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
it's not really reviving him as much as SPOILER Reviving over and over again bcs that one hero spoils his plan over 10,000 times so he revives a few hundred thousand more times to corrupt that dude for his plan instead
I am having a hard time believing that a family willing to bankrupt themselves looking for someone is going to turn around and be cruel to the very person they were looking for. EDIT: PLEASE READ THE OTHER REPLIES BEFORE POSTING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER.
bcs it's the parents that care so much to look for him, not much the rest of the family. They did help the parents bcs of family duty, but then they find out (wrongly) that he has been hiding god-knows-where nearby while they bust their asses out to find him. Such a disgrace cannot be kept in the family, so they kick him out. If his parents were still around, they would have been able to accept him, but due to a certain SOMEONE, they are no longer there in this nth timeline
@Đức Mạnh Vương the whole thing could've been prevented if he showed them their power. Also the character the extended family showed indicated that they would never support the parents to the point of bankrupting themselves in the first place
@@Jet-ij9zc oh well it's bcs he was afraid he might be considered a freak SPOILER In the original timeline, he got to meet the hero associations and other allies with same problems so he had no problem showing his power. However, due to Return Hero's manipulation, he's totally isolated. Dude wanted to live a normal life after coming back, the last thing he wanted was to be considered a freak.
Maybe I don't know enough about Asian culture, but I feel like they are so strict and traditional that they wouldn't waste any resources to have looked for him in the first place.
Important to note: Lee Sung-Jun does not have control over where he resets. He starts back at when he first returned to Earth every single time he dies. So, he lives through years of stuff multiple times over all of the time.
I think he has a little bit of control. I don't think it was explicitly shown, but I think he can set checkpoints to revive at sometimes. Like when he's training the Spear Hero
@@WanderTheNomad nah, the years became trivial to him so it doesnt seem like it, but he doesnt control it. There was even a monologue he made to himself where he says its fine going through it since he now has a goal in mind instead of letting idle thoughts roam.
@@Jamik96 He can control how far he reset up until the point of him coming home. But if he died without him expecting it, he'd get reset to the very beginning.
There is a timeline where he tried to make himself mechanical and he went back in time to before he even started the process to become Robotman so saying that he resets from the very beginning is a lie
I kinda like that they use hero in its older definitions as in the Grecian sense, where it’s figures given divine abilities to do great feats but don’t necessarily and usually are not virtues especially their interactions with mortal people.
SPOILER The heroes were actually legitimate heroes, specially Sword hero; He was manipulated into breaking, even then it took so much effort to actually break him.
I feel like I'd be that kind of "hero" if I had such abilities. I wouldn't be "the good/moral guy". I would probably be "the guy that makes sure things are the way I think they should be". ^^;; Probably still mostly doing good. But I'm pretty sure not everyone would agree with what I consider "good". :P
@@kingzroyalzz7059 I'd say the mc is both the spear hero and sword hero. Sword because he is the main villain and the spear hero because he's the only one who can possibly defeat the sword hero now.
Isekais are either the biggest power fantasies or the most miserable stories ever. No middle ground, no inbetweens. I love it. Im surprised no ones done a boys inspired isekai sooner. Imagine having that much power around a bunch of npcs, you can literally do anything. I will definitely be reading this when i can. Instant subscription
There is one type of isekai you're forgetting. That being specifically Konosuba. Not miserable, not a power fantasy. Just a bunch of useless idiots, who should by all logic be overpowered at what they specialize in, barely managing to accomplish both the easiest and most difficult tasks thanks to the one guy who's just lucky and otherwise average that's tired of dealing with the problems they cause.
Within that same spectrum, there's this one h-tai Isekai, where it's exactly that premise. MC falls into a world where people are completely innocent and primal. They eat fruits, violence, essentially, does not exist and everyone lives in a sort of free love society; Language isin't even a thing. MC then starts to change that place slowly with his selfish actions. They develop shame, they develop taste for meat; Slowly grow more violent as feelings of jealously and selfishness develop and stuff like that. I've read it a good while ago, but it still is in the top of my lists of 'most hated MC's to ever exist'. (Source: A world where only I rule.)
@@YTDPROMISE I remember that one. Incredibly frustrating, but captivating to read. Truly an MC that you love to hate bc the story plays out very realistically (imho) despite the idyllic isekai he’s thrown into.
Regressor Instruction Manual or How to use a returner is pretty dark. The MC is a powerless but knows how to turn people against each other. Great stuff.
RIM is a happy dark where you can sleep peacefully after reading it. Hero has returned is just fucking dark dark. everything is pain. totally incomparablee
@@thenoblesolo4965 Same thing with "How to live as a villain", the MC is scum and he knows it, but he is entertaining as all hell and everyone in his world has at least a screw loose, so you don't feel bad while reading his crimes against humanity (the chapter where he brainwashed a japanese player was a bit much tho).
@@thenoblesolo4965yeah rim has some moral greyness but most things the mc does are retaliation against other awful people or for his own survival. Definitely can sleep fine after reading
This story really took me by surprise man. I binged the entire thing! The way these characters are depicted is incredible and heartbreaking. Thank you for bringing this gem of a series to my attention.
Drifters is a isekai Pokémon is debatably a isekai or at least something intensely meta since that kid has never changed even by in world standards There’s a couple other sneaky ones I can’t recall as well.
I never understood the reason so many Isekai protagonist WANT to go back home. Most of the time, the world they get Isekai'd into is something so drastically different that there's no possible way to properly reintegrate into society after getting used to the society of the other world. Arifureta is probably one of the best examples - by the end of the first arc, the main character is basically not even human anymore; there is no possible way for him to ever reintegrate into a normal human life in his world yet returning to his world is his grand goal. A goal he is willing to fight gods to accomplish, without even considering the fact that a human that can defeat a god has absolutely NO PLACE in the world he came from. And that's without even taking into account the fact that some Isekai take place over the course of several years, years in which a character lives an entirely different life in an entirely different world - how could you ever go back?
It seems like most of these protagonists are taking a page out of the book of Marche from FFA. You know, when he was saying you shouldn't use fantasy to dodge your problems in reality. Perhaps that's the reason why so many of them are determined to go back.
Old Comforts? Familiarity? Old Attachments? A lack of fucking transhuman danger? Depending on when you're taken or even how you were taken, there may always be regrets about your old life. Just because you probably shouldn't, or couldn't, go back, doesn't mean you wouldn't miss your old life. Hell, it could all boil down to the new world being a shithole compared to your old one.
I actually love the Arifureta LN for this exact reason. The MC has a drastic change in mindset and obtains an enormous amount of power for the sole purpose of going home, but at one point, it's revealed that he's secretly terrified of what will happen when he gets home because he doesn't believe he's fully human anymore.
FFF-Class Hero is a similar story, though more dark comedy, than complete tragedy. The hero lives through a typical Isekai, but it turns out to be a test. He fails it, because he killed his comrades before facing the Demon King. So, he is forced to go through the same life again, and again. He either has to prove his character improved, and he learned from the experience, or figure out how to stop the entire experiment. It's up to 140 chapters, and insanity follows the hero as he solves problems in a manner befitting a polite, gentle, and civilize man of the modern world.
@@durrangodsgrief6503 it expands on why he ended up killing them. Specifically, every kill gives experience. Since they were all high level, then they boosted his level to be high enough to beat the demon king. The broad strokes involves the general bratty behavior of each chick and how she screwed up the world out of selfish pride. As a spoiler, the elf chick kills her more politically incline brother, and wanted a race war against the humans. Because her relative was captured and sold as a slave. (Mind you the relative did this to escape the elf chick.) The elves cannot win said war without the hero's help. Hilariously enough her mother cheats on her father with the demon king in every incarnation.
@@durrangodsgrief6503 Honestly he sorta has a cheat power against the demon King, aka the Demon king gets huge debuffs if he faces against the hero, but against anyone else the Demon king is massively op practically unbeatable. This is shown in the manwha where he is no longer the hero and he wonders why he couldn't beat the demon king despite being much stronger than his previous selves. I don't remember much since i dropped it at some point.
There’s 0 chance this doesn’t get an anime. 95% chance it’s Netflix. This sounds like a Netflix anime. So it will either be grade sss perfection or grade f trash.
For me, this is THE best after isekai anime. It may for some be really weird an confusing in the beggining but as the story goes on you get it all explained, bit by bit. And the best thing are the atntagonist. I never was so emphatic with villians like here. Even though they are not truly villians.
To me, who is currently reading this story, the only way i can describe this manwha is "NO HAPPY ENDINGS". This manwha is for those who like a story where there's no good endings, there's not happy ever after or any sort of catharsis to the heroes and people lives. There will be only misery and sadness no matter which side wins, and each chapter you are expecting a glimpse of hope just to be bombarded with more disaster incoming.
Yea reading through it... there's literally nothing satisfying with the story. It's edginess just exceeds past any point of engagement and is simply there because its the whole stories selling point. Honestly, spare yourselves the time and don't read it.
The early fights are pretty much complete suffering and 0 payoffs. But after the fight with the Faith Warrior, the edge starts to slowly thin out, and we start to see that they may have a fighting chance. The icing of it all is probably the Resurrection Warrior. His story is undeniably the best one out of all of the Warriors we’ve seen so far.
Banger story, though if any story needed a 'Tragedy' tag, it's this one. A note on the underground bunker massacre, it's one of the most badass chapter ever, a tragic one, but bloody badass as well. Especially since it doesn't just cut to black or anything lame like that, you actually get to feel the desperate last stand as the normie humans pretty much charges headlong into death to keep the Spear hero safe. And they succeed! It's hype as fuck.
Seriously I would love to see an isekai story remiscient of the early 2000s, where a group of teenagers get transported to another world and the story is just about them trying to adjust to their new surroundings while trying to find a way back to their original world.
this should deffinitly get an anime, we need more dark isekai, most of what's out there now is to light and cheery. I can do with a bit more darkness, hell i need it at this point after all the bright slice of life isekai ive been watching.
Srsly I just feel really bad for the supposed villain of this story. It's not like he wanted to be this way, it's just the whole world (or more specifically a single person) is against him. At the point that he turned to villainy, he got no family, no friends, no school education, no job, no social acceptance (even police shun him). And it's really freaking painful, and when you get to later chapters, it just becomes more depressing. SPOILER: Mr. Return Hero was actually an actual hero in his first timeline when he came back to Earth. He along SWORD hero, magical girl, vampire guy, power ranger dude, SHield hero, ORIGINAL spear hero were the victors against evil after the 110th return. They went on to marry and have kids and lived fulfilling lives. UUUUUNNNTTTIIIILLLLLL Return discovers that returning from death literally meant any death, even of old age, and he got sent back to when he first returned to earth. So I'll spare you the details of each return after that point, but after a certain point, racked with trauma and guilt of betraying his former friends and keeping the world in a loop, he remembered abt the detail that only a demon king can kill a hero, so he planned to make a demon king. However since the demon king needs to want to destroy the world, he cant just make himself the demon king since he's doing everything to SAVE it. So he tried corrupting the heroes both bad and good but one obstacle is always there: the SWORD hero, who just destroys whatever half demon king that was growing at that time, none has enough time to mature. Dude was too strong for his own good. So after a while Return figured, fck that, let's turn that obstacle into a demon king then. So he started by mowing down Sword's parents, then he spread rumors to his family and his friends so that they isolate him. The rumors even reach police so like when Sword gets brutalized or robbed no one protected him or vouch for him. Return bribed the school teachers so they wont accept Sword back. Then he went to work on the hero association and got the capable ppl in the previous lives fired and put incompetent ppl in their places, so no one can reach out to the poor guy. Return also made sure no former hero allies in the past returns can meet up with Sword to comfort or change him. He even made sure to erase any timeline where Sword either repents or regrets his actions, or ones where he suicides to save the world from his dumb rampage. And as implied, any help Sword was supposed to received got axed after Return spent around 300k returns to go back and formed the exact plans to deal the most psychological pain to Sword, all the while the poor man still had to live believing that he himself was the one who "killed" his parents. Then we get to that 1st chapter again and this time, after Return's manipulation, Sword has fully turned into a unremorseful killing machine. AND THEN when his former party members from the other world appear, there was a glimmer of hope that maybe he could be saved from the emotional hell but nope, Return planned it so they all die in front of the guy, making him lose that single fire that was lit back up for a few mins. At that point he stopped caring and got transformed into a demon king. AFter all this abuse, I really just want him to have his W then rest. Like fck off with the bs Spear Hero winning. They both should die by each others' hands. Spear should die bcs he's a whiny bitch who keeps complaining as if he's the only one hurt, while for Sword Hero, death is more like a sweet release for him at this point🙁
@@NIK_NOK_107 well not really that complex. Dude wanna die to free earth, cant kill himself, needs to corrupt others to kill him, but he doesn't want to destroy the world so he also trains a hero capable of saving the world from his mess after his death
@@NIK_NOK_107 to each their own. Personally I usually prefer ecchi and harem tags, but the unfairness to Sword hero kept me coming back to cheer him on, and shit on the spear crybaby as much as possible
I didn't think this story was good at first, but it's genuinely exceptional. It's probably the best manwha I've ever read, and I have to admit I didn't come in expecting much. It's that good, seriously.
This video was surprisingly somber. You're talking about a really grim Manga, and it was suitably serious. I'm checking this out now, because I had no Idea that a Boys Isekai was something I needed in my life. Holy Hell
If you want another great subcersive Isekai, there's a LitRPG story called He Who Fights With Monsters, about an irreverent Australian man who gets pulled into a magical world, has adventures, saves the world, comes home... Has to save the world again... And again... And again... Until he manages to finally get back to the other world, where he has his friends, after his family ends up very scared of him. And then the story continues. He has to deal with his traumas and all the experiences and deaths he's had. It's really freaking good.
@@baronvonjo1929 That's one of those things that sounds like a spoiler but isn't. It becomes clear pretty quickly that he is going to return to earth. The real tension isn't "Will he or won't he" but "How much shit does he have to go through before he does?" and "does he manage to retain his humanity?". Next to Tao Wong's System Apocalypse: Apocalypses in the North, and System Apocalypse: Australia, 'He who Fight's Monsters' is awesome and worthy of the read.
The initial premise of a bunch of isekai heroes returning to earth reminds me of this decade old anime called Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero. However instead being dark and subversive it was a magic highschool ecchi harem series.
JP isekai has learned that you can't go super dark with the reality of giving people superpowers or magic, and get published. Same with Anime. There are examples where the story fringes into Slaves or Harems, or the magic system has consequences and severe limits, but it's often hidden or moved into different topics. Or Ecchi like Redo of Healer, Guts and Berzerk, and a few reincarnation/returns, sic. Hence they have built conventions like a magic school. The guilds. Demon Kings, etc. Because, if you don't have these governing controls, you have heroes that gain power through killing people and animals... Thousands of them. And these 12-16 year olds "power up" by killing small animals. Sounds normal. Guilds register people who have skills so that other people can stop sociopaths from gathering or forming gangs and pillaging entire countries. Same with magic schools, et al. And if they aren't "Demons"... Well... It's basically indentured soldiers conscripted to kill the King of another nation as Assassin or Child Soldier to avoid the diplomatic problems and give plausible deniability if the assassins are captured or killed.
the idea of a cold war arms race with various governments snatching up returned heroes was a cool concept and it's a shame the show relegated it to background dressing.
So... wait, he was able to return home with his powers intact... so that should have been sufficient to convince people of his story when he does things that SHOULD be impossible... On the other hand, this reminds me of a collaborative project I saw on a Message Board called "I'm fighting to free this world from my previous victims" A "Dark Isekai" where a bully and his tormented victims are all reincarnated into a fantasy world, the victims, with their Protagonist Tier powers and plot armor quickly become the tormentors themselves, conquering the world and becoming tyrants, while the bully is reincarnated as a low-tier creature and has to learn lessons and eventually save the world.
"So... wait, he was able to return home with his powers intact... so that should have been sufficient to convince people of his story when he does things that SHOULD be impossible" By the time he returns, his parents are already dead and the damage its already done.
there's a darker one. "The Hero Who Seeks Revenge Shall Exterminate With Darkness" I'm not going to lie, it's the most satisfyingly brutal thing I've read in a long time. "Dungeon Seeker" is also really good, and it's the only manga I've ever read that has an actual ending.
This one is darker. The hero who seeks revenge isn't so much dark as it is gory. This story is more misery porn. The hero who seeks revenge is more torture porn.
@@Sigismund-von-Luxembourg it’s dark but you don’t really pay much attention to it because of all the comedy used to overshadow it and the mc being a skeleton makes you not think about it much
I mean how can you hate him after everything he’s been through. Spoiler: He was stuck in an infinite time loop that made it so that so long as he exists then the world can never move forward, ultimately his decisions that cost the lives of over 1B was worth it.
@@vilxxblack2472 Work culture in korea is screwed. I can totally see that father offing himself like he did. Sword heros mother dying? Well she was killed by the Rebirth Hero..Can see all of these scenarios happen irl especially if you are not the only messed up person who had returned.
Tbh i feel that if i could level half a city with a single swing i probably wouldn't even need an actual reason. Haven't read the story yet so maybe they do have it already but someone being a dick just because they have an opportunity to is as close to reality as it gets
when he said that he killed minsu's parents, i thought he was joking. I wouldn't blame him for what he did, he destroyed the world to save the world from an endless loop
The concept of an op isekai coming to earth is very compelling. Like turning a hero of another world into a villain and threat to this world is solid concept. Think I will check it out tbh and even if you spoilt stuff it sounds freaking dope
Bruh the Resurrection Heros backstory was sad asf. I had to put the story down for a couple days to process it cos that shi was too damn depressing for me. They really made me like that guy
So wait, he had access to a max revive potion that could cure people from death and didn't think to use it on his parents? Or to use his powers to prove where he was or make money off of them? Seems like a lot of this could've been easily resolved early on.
He got the potion in the other world AFTER his family died. Since then, when he got back, the world was already messed up so there wasn't much to profiteer with his newfound abilities. Also, he's on a one-track-mind to kill the sword hero.
There's a big spoiler:- due to which no matter what he did, the situation were made so by someone (spoiler) that he ws bound to be lonely and miserable
@@vaeger2947 considering the wacky powers all the heros have, I assume basically anything is possible. Doesn't seem there are many limits in this magic system.
It was the SPEAR Hero who had the max revive potion. All the Sword Hero had was the clothes on his back. When he found out about his Parents, he fell into a Guilt-fueled depression that his powers couldn't do anything about, assuming he even knew he had them, which he apparently didn't until he killed that bully. By that point he'd stopped caring (after all, his parents are dead, and everybody else wants him dead, so why should he give a crap?) As for why didn't the Spear Hero try to use the Max Revive Potion on his family, first he has to find them, and then hope that the potion can cure rotting as well as death (what, you thought his mother & sister were gonna get a proper burial?)
The concept of heroes on this manwha reminds me of the concepts of devils in chainsawman. You get the hero of spear, hero of return, hero of fascism and so on, and their power is in direct connection with how strong the demon king is in their respective isekai worlds.. Amazing concept and execution. And they say you can't do original power systems anymore.
4 minutes in and i'm interested. i gotta pause the video and read the story for myself now. Well done, dude. This is exactly the reason i watch these types of videos.
Wow, that also says something pessimistic about humanity in general since they were so spiteful as to drive multiple heroes to insanity. But it also has a hopeful view of humanity as there are still good people left.
As half-Japanese I find cringe when people use words such as “reverse isekai” and “anti-isekai” it gives me the impression they don’t know the meaning of the word and use it lightly.
If the government already aware of this hero return phenomenon they should have build an organization to find and recruit these heroes. So that this whole being rejected by everyone plot won't heppen.
An anime this reminded me of is I'm Quitting Heroing. DEFINITELY not as dark, but a LOT more so than the first episodes would have you believe. It's not often where Americans will acknowledge where a story should just naturally end (getting TOO wrapped up in the characters, rather than what they're supposed to be doing), but the ending of that show was a REALLY good way to wrap up a single season anime show. I get the desire for a studio wanting to create the next Star Wars, or Harry Potter, or whatever never-ending epic franchise, but I really liked the show for just telling a good solid story and not trying to throw in filler or continue milking it just to keep a steady income for the studio (OVA's get a pass in this regard as far as I'm concerned, they're usually gonna be mostly fan service and not canon anyway).
I mean he could of just said "I was kidnapped and managed to escape" and this whole thing half fixes itself. What is the school gonna say "hey thats your fault for being kidnapped"
its kinda sad because all lee wanted was everyone to live but couldn't do that because he kept on returning to the start of when he got back to the earth.
I think the first Isekai that I've read was a fan manga for the Korean MMORPG Mabinogi. Protagonist was a cancer patient who died in their sleep, only to wake up in Nao's (a goddess in the game) Soul Stream and eventually end up in the world of Mabinogi after talking to Nao.
I prefer "Hero of Return" for the Hero of Rebirth. Partially because that is just what the translation i read called him, and because i feel it is a bit more accurate for his abilities
I remember watching an isekai anime that was absolutely brutal its name was something along of “something ashes” fantasy of ashes or so. Started off as light hearted, bright cozy animation, next thing you know everyone is dropping dead, going crazy, goblins absolutely fking them up. Its sad that it only had one season tho. Drifters is also pretty brutal but not as tragic.
Haven't watched it myself, as I'm not that much into the really dark stuff. But I do find some things I heard about it pretty interesting. Like how the author thought of what it would really be like in a fantasy world. Don't just use your healing on every scratch, or you won't have mana when it's really needed. Be careful. Death could be hiding around an unexpected corner. Etc.
@@Sanquinity it' also popular coz it focuses heavily on inter-personal relations between characters, instead of just the story. As a result, characters are really flashed out
I've also read this and I fuckn love it! It's like you can't hate anyone because they have their own reasons why they behave or act the way they do. The scene that moved me the most was the origin story of the girl on thr church
Great manhwa but one thing that bugged me so much from fully enjoying it is the Sword Hero's conviction of wiping the entire human race. His main reason to kill everyone is because "he had it hard" and wants everyone to feel the same. And when you compare it to someone like Return Hero, who actually suffered so much more, his actions seem unreasonable. His character is flawed yes but if you want me to feel something towards him, then you gotta give a good reason why I should and losing your family doesn't warrant a mass genocide. To me, he just looks like an emo given a delete button. If their aim is to make an antagonist that'll piss me off then it worked. You could argue that what Return Hero did is a lot worse as he's the reason why everything's gone to shit. Heck you could even call him selfish for doing it just so he can finally die. But given his situation, could you really blame him? Sword Hero to Return Hero is like a puddle to an ocean if we're talking about painful experience.
His dark turn went from crazy to cringe later on. I mean what's the point for him going dark and yet got beaten by some hero who recently got out. Him as a veteran former hero is pathetic experience is still beaten by plot armor hero
@@The_Fool999ool. There's a great plot twist coming ahead and all the fights are so hype and fire asl 🔥and the art became devious peak when they fight. You should come back. If it does not convince you. Minor spoiler: Spear hero is not the MC nor the sword hero 😉
hero has returned is my top manwha even beating a big title like solo levelling, the plot although not perfect without hole is goodly well done that you'll choose to accept it, no cringe isekai bullshit and is dark and more suited for adult reader. If u are an avid manwha reader and (somehow) never read this please go read it, i promise you will like it or at least keep you intrigued. One of the main villain, hero of revival is one of my most favourite and well executed villain along with johan liebert from Monster.
So happy I stopped watching to read the story, binged it to now on webtoon. It's so good, very epic and very heart breaking especially metamorphosis hero, that shit made me cry. For those who feel put off reading it, because a lot of time the heroes are losing, remember: This may be the darkest timeline, but there's still hope.
Favorite is still Twelve Kingdoms. Teenager is approached by a man telling her she is a rightful ruler of a kingdom, she is confused and refuses. But then a massive storm washes her and two others into another world reminiscent of ancient China. Mysteriously, she can speak the language while the other two can't, and what ensues is major fantasy drama unlike anything you see in modern isekai
This is the most beautiful tragedy story that I ever read, then it become a manga it became a masterpiece. All the plothole that you going to see in the story is going to make sense because of the plot twist and the ending, is a chef's kiss. The plot twist is the most beautiful "WTF" moments. 10/10 to me.
So read idk 200+ chapters with dozens of plot holes but it's fine since the ending will maybe solve most of them when it's released in a few years. Or let's be honest, likely never, a lot of manga never reach their ending
@@cloberlobster2276 Nah. But I give you a small part of the ending. You know the One punch man time travel with a little avengers time travel. Just change it into spear hero and the sword hero.
Watch out! Spoiler!! Warned you. This manhwa isn't about hero of sword, hero of spear or even hero of magic. It's about Hero of Return (Rebirth). Don't say he's a bad guy - he gets the most terrifying and realistic reason ever. Immortality. It's a story about hundred thousand of years, lives and worlds sacrificed for tomorrow that will never come. Because when this hero dies - world resets back to the most optimal point. Any. Possible. Death. Will. Do. This. Suicide - not an option. Guns - not an option. NOTHING is an option! Imagine: living a perfect life, saving everyone and everything just to all of it being shattered by none other than you. It may be the best blessings iseikai character can get but it is the hardest punishment irl. I can't blame him - this is impossible to bare. He can be killed by Demon Lord, that's true. But there is no demon lord in our world. If there were no Gods - we should invent them... Most of the time this manhwa is cringy af but... Somehow I love it. The part when LAST STRAW stoping hero of sword broke and made him Demon Lord hit me hard. Spoiler again: his companions died in super gruesome and dark way. Friggin terrifying. And painful. As much as I want to see a good ending I subconsciously know that there can't be one...
I'd love to see an inverse of the Isekai genre where a hero from another world is sent to ours to take a chosen hero back. You could even make it a slice of life type thing where they spend time trying to adapt to modern life. But most important of all, make the chosen hero not care, and completely avoid every attempt. Random portal shows up? He turns around and walks the other way. Assassins? He knocks them out and takes them to the police.
You'd probably have to make it like uncle from another world, where he's sent to the wrong time period and has to drive the truck/find the protagonist. But he doesn't realise he's too early and he hasn't been born yet. There was a Truck-Kun isekai where heroes were picked out and transported via couriers.
This story really put me off because it seems like they didn't even try to explain the situation to their family, like all he had to do was summon his weapon or armor.
I feel like Hero Has Returned has one of the biggest letdowns in almost all of webtoon. In a medium plagued with repetition of tired tropes, this one did something pretty fresh for once with an absolutely banger start to a series. It does a fantastic job building up the protagonist/villain in a way that captivates the readers while making us wonder where the story is going next. And then it throws all of that potential in the trash in the first few panels of chapter 3 by saying "also there's like a dozen more evil heroes now" "and also the government collapsed" "and also they're exclusively ruling over South Korea for some reason" "and also also there's been a 1 year time skip so you don't really get to see how any of this actually happened." No, none of this is actually important. What's actually important is the backstory of the minor antagonist the new protagonist encounters, apparently. That's definitely how you improve the flow of the story. This kind of problem just isn't a simple blunder; the writing has a difficult time creating plausible scenarios that just make you think "a-ha, that makes sense." I really wish I could like Hero Has Returned and say it's an A+ with how much cool stuff it does at times, but if you look at the story as a whole, HHR is like a B- at best.
Yeah the concept is incredibly cool but the forced backstory of random characters down the throat just kills the thing. Not even Demon Slayer and MGS does so much guilt tripping holy shit
I mean it's all leading up to the reveal that the Resurrection Warrior has been puppeteering the situation from the beginning. You wouldn't give a shit about the other heroes if you didn't know about their backstory and how we've come to know them so far. Perhaps it could've been done in a bit of a faster light, but they had to build up the story somehow until the big reveal, eh?
@@PixelHeroViish Opinions vary, I thought it was fantastic cause it fit everything together and everything from then on made perfect sense. Even went back throughout the story and the foreshadowing to it was phenomenal. Might’ve not been stellar to you, but it was to me for fucking sure.
Thank you so much for this video recommendation. I'm someone who gets emotionally invested in characters quite easily, so when some of these things happened, man I started tearing up. Story is batshit insane with so much despair and sadness littered throughout. Honestly goated
Man, I kind of need that anime too now!!! 🤣 Excellent way of sharing the events in the story, even being mindfull of spoilers. Thanks for the content, I'll see who I can share this with. That sole premise is just annoyingly cool!!!
I remember when this was released. Everyone that read it then didn't like the guy because he killed people without "reason" completely forgetting about his backstory. They didn't show sympathy for the guy and just straight up hated him. I mean i understand that, but they actually called the story shit because of this and rated it very low just because of this. I personally think the story is great. They just don't like it because they have been exposed to so much "power of friendship" manwhas that they didn't even consider the story, and was solely focused on the guy being evil.
Id like to see an isekai where an enlightened member from a future society so advanced they could harness power from the stars+ And have the average civilian thats on the level of Lelouch sent to another world with slightly less advancements but still good.
I think the issue of Future tech in parallel/modern earth is that you don't have stakes. In comic/manga/manhua it's not common unless it's VR OR parallel earth. The technology gap tends to be selfish fantasy fulfilment, ie Jarvis like AI and stock market manipulation, building space ships from sports cars, etc. or the technology is used to survive an impending disaster or apocalypse/zombie apocalypse. There is an inverse RPG MMO in real life story, but future tech tends to have limits. If levelling up in a game gave you magic/super-strength... Or martial arts skills out of game, IDK. There is a story where the Veteran player enters their MMO world, as a forgettable NPC before the game starts and takes over the main plotline as a Tony Stark type mechanical engineering combat soldier, eventually leveraging the storyline as one of the hero characters of the MMO, and knowing the original plotline once the players join, he can award quests to the players and gains equivalent XP from players, he decides to monopolise and change the story so he doesn't get murdered by the story Arc NPC characters & Factions who are about to invade earth, sic. There are a few stories like this in Web novels, Eg Scientist gets a "system" that improves their knowledge dramatically via quests to write or solve scientific problems, to cheat scientific development, and fast-forward the technology base. It eventually makes sense as to how and why he gets the system, and it's one of the more "grounded" formats, which takes a few massive turns. There's also a "dark" webnovel where a flash drive has access to Movie Fantasy world's, if you download the movie to the drive. but, it also requires extravagant levels of energy and power before it works as it opens a portal. The protagonist decides to make money, as you do, so he pulls out SciFi technology from pausing various movies. Until he realises he's not the first owner of the flash drive, and there were some horror movies on there before. I really enjoyed both stories, especially the concept of memes as a terrifying cthulu like existence that can cross over with other horror concepts. It isn't for the squeamish, occasional arcs are difficult to root for or continue reading. But its maybe 2-5% of the series.
But, but how am I supposed to showcase my superior intelligence to the midieval fantasy and totally accurate science with magic and introduce stuff like soy sauce, guns and crop rotation?
@@skeyedrake5929 That sounds like a good twist. The power level of a 'god level' ability landing in modern society has to be balanced against the big bad, how serious is the threat /challenge to overcome. And, what tech survives the landing/crash to earth. I'm reminded of Dahak (the moon is a hibernating spaceship hiding from galactic AI for tens of thousands of years, and upon detecting signs of being scouted out, decides to wake up and kidnap people to help pilot but also fight the enemy), but also the Apocalypse Troll, a weber book in which a 25th century marine end up facing a time-travel invasion force of kangas, cyborg "dalek" like invaders who, on losing their war against earth, decide to open a portal to early periods of earth, e.g. 2007, to get a foothold and more resources. The future human has to adapt nanotech and biotech from the 25th century to fight against a "troll" that has the ability to read/control minds from vast distances of hundreds of miles, sic. I always kind of thought WH40k was a bit like the Event Horizon Movie/franchise's ship becoming "evil", or infested aura/psychic corruption, eg. Chaos. The problem might be that the nature/magic of Chaos, is a bit ephemeral, and writing a non-40K story with elements from 40K, but not the whole 40K lore is difficult to entertain without also drawing in other 40k references. Imagine trying to build a 40K MMO game, and figuring out how to add 'fishing' minigames during an all-out assault. Maybe something like the vernor vinge Blight/Zones of Thought, or the Mass Effect indoctrination/reaper tech, where a traveller isn't corporeal, but jumps hosts or has the ability to interact at a "ghost" or "ghost in the machine" presence instead.
I'm so glad it's getting recognition. I started reading it when the first chapter came out and was like holy fuck. Couldn't wait and would read it whenever it came out
ive been looking for an iseaki that actually moves on from the fantasy set up to the after story for so damn long thank u so much, ive not finished the video since now i want to read it on my own but i will when i finish it edit: im a bit disappointed, it honestly doesn't use the physiological potential it could have. if you guys like edgy fantasy in the modern world this is your story but it definitely it isn't what i was looking for. so keep looking it is.
OMG. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RECOMMENDING THIS!!! This is EXACTLY how you subvert expectations without ruining the hero's journey frame work. I love how the world doesn't just simply stand by like passerbys. Everyone does their part to save lives and make serious sacrifices to protect the ones they love. I cried several times while reading this. But I think I was the saddest during the handsome sea dragon's backstory chapter. There've been times I'll watch a fantasy movie and wish the main character didn't have to leave or say goodbye. 'Hero has Returned' kinda teaches us the consequences of what happens when we DON'T move on. Finally, the art is INCREDIBLE. it really does need to be animated! I just loved the way the action flows as you're scrolling down the page - it just puts you in the middle of an epic scene.
Nice recommend. I’m already up to the mid 40s. I thought it was going to be another basic edge lord fantasy type story but with some of the story twists while predictable we’re still well executed. The returner hero is interesting but I’m not far enough into it to be convinced he’s the ultimate puppet master. I’ll see. I’m burning though different series like crazy atm.
Man, the writer really really knows how to do character development. I’m at the mid 60s and I’m happy I can no longer predict what’s coming as instead of going off the rails so much of what people have complained about “character wouldn’t do this” makes much more sense if you factor in the Groundhog Day effect. So well done and thought out. Hadn’t explored the aspect of that trope to this degree and happy to have something new to think over. I’m still wondering if there’s some bigger lovecraftian type entity manipulating even the creation of the heroes and demon kings in various worlds. If so maybe the return hero has a goal/target he’s not seeing yet. These worlds have divinity’s and the like so I’m curious how it all mesh in the end.
This reminds me of another anime i know that by the life of me i cant remember the name of, its about a nun that kill izekai protagonist beacuse all of thembwere usually evil or something like that Edit: its called the executioner and her way of life
Isekai trope: All our protagonists should be a hero. Overlord: Bro... Isekai trope: Well, Isekai should be about a guy living his life to the fullest! Isekai Ojisan: Bro... Isekai trope: Uhh, well, when the protagonists comes home, he should be happy! Dungeon seekers: ...I ain't even gonna say anything 🗿
with all the Isekai amines coming out recently its quite refreshing to hear about a manga that shows the after effect of the character disappearing from their world
Me, as SOON as he mentioned that the MC still has his powers: Then the entire story is one big plot hole because he could have just shown everyone actual proof of what he said happened to him, but he only chooses to use his powers to kill everyone, ironically proving everyone who hates him entirely correct.
A certain character completely explains that plot hole and all plotholes relating the sword hero going evil. Spoiler: Hero of rebirth/return has went back in time hundreds of thousands of times in order to turn someone into a demon lord, which is the only way he can be killed (his power is returning by death, happy life impossible, old age will just reset him too). He concluded the best way was to orchestrate every part of the sword hero's life to be a living hell so he can hate the world enough to become one.
@Yurgaloo Why not just make friends who will let him die vs a Demon King? After so many loops, he should be able to convince people he knows how to help him out. Or even sabotage a final battle against a Demon king. Why would the existing convoluted plan be the only way?? Whe you have infinite lives and nearly infinite options you can solve any problem and it shouldn't just be one way.
@@Ryuksgelus Because there is no Demon King on Earth, thats the point. There was never a Demon king on earth, its the only universe without one, he is making the Sword Hero into a Demon King so he can finally die.
@@Ryuksgelus There is no demon king he can be killed by because there is none on Earth. They all belong to their own fantasy worlds where a hero is summoned from Earth to fight against it. The furthest point he can go back is right after he returned to Earth after defeating his own demon lord. He's tried to go ahead and create a demon lord countless times from the Warriors/Heroes, aiding in their creation to get there, but each time it's been killed by the Sword Warrior before they'd become one without fail. And he can't kill the Sword Warrior either, he's failed every single time. So the only possible way for him to die by a demon lord is by turning the Sword Warrior into one. The only other issue is how to make sure said Sword Warrior dies after his death as they only got one shot at that point, so currently he's training up the Spear Warrior to be strong enough to do so.
@@ZappoNinja Wait but then why can't he go back in time to before going back to Earth. This also implies he hasn't died against a Demon King at any point otherwise he'd have been dead for good, which makes no sense either because that makes them arbitrarily and stupidly powerful, because if Sword Guy alone can cause insane explosions, what could other Demon Kings do? And Earth is the only place without a Demon King? Why? That doesn't make sense at all. What makes Earth so special that it doesn't have that constant of most other worlds? HOW did he prevent Sword Guy from showing his powers? That's stupid, because if he can prevent someone else's powers from working or make people not believe him for no reason, why can't he deactivate his own powers and jump off a cliff or something? I understand sometimes you have to sacrifice logic to get a plot working and overexplaining things can ruin a setting aswell, but you need to justify these kinds of plot twists extremely well otherwise you get a stupid plot hole that shouldn't exist and actively ruins the story
Just finished the first season. BIG FAT recommendation! The first few 20-30 chapters seem a bit mellow and generic, but after that point the series just keeps ramping up the quality and trumping itself. By the end of Chapter 84, which ends the first season, it felt almost like a completely different story compared to the beginning, in the best of ways! And all the hiccups and seeming plot-holes of the beginning are beautifully explained. Really. By the end, (almost) everything will make sense. Sure, there are a few open questions and a few things that still seem a bit odd or rushed (like Iron Arm's backstory and, uh, "motivation"), but all that is offset by the fine points of the story. The Transformation Hero's arc, the old Faith Hero's arc, and the truth about the Return Hero, especially the latter, are some of the best bits of storytelling I've seen in recent memory. Go read it, it's amazing!
I really like this webtoon, and it reminds me of a Japanese animation called "Bokurano" that I saw about 20 years ago. I loved that animation, too. The characters all had a dark life, But I could see hope at the end. I hope that webtoon will have happy ending too, but well, Could Minsu have a happy ending?
I really loved this comic, it made me cry SO MANY TIMES. Spoilers But even with the Resurrection Hero being the true big bad, it was very tragic what he had to go through. I think he has lived around 1000 years give or take. It is telling that he has gotten to the point where suicide is just so common for him to do to activate his skill.
No way it's just 1000 years lmao, even ignoring his first 10 loops where he lives around 80 (that's already 800 years), even if his average life each loop is just 6 months (ignoring the loops where he just became a NEET and him discovering how to create a demon king which would take years, when he got himself Sealed by Previous Religious Hero and when he tried to become a Cyborg), and we know his final loop was around 350k, 350k / 2 (1 year for 2 loops) = 175k years, that's how long he lived AT LEAST, not to mention he experienced death 350k times and the emotional torture of seeing his close friends die or get twisted or getting killed by him.
I just realized you have the set of love hina behind you. I only realized it because I’m watching this video and reading my love hina😂
Love Hina was so good that my deeply religious Saudi Arabian friend enjoyed it a lot.
Love Hina was my shit back in the day
@@ReversedFootage love hina was the first manga set I ever purchased back when I was like 8! I still have my original set
Yeeeessssss! Love Hina was my first romcom and I was buying the manga while it was still being written (I'm old 😅). Its genuinely one of my favorites to revisit
@@Cap1leo I’m 28. I remember reading my first volume at the library and picking it up as it was being written to. Later on I got the box set around the same time as haruhi, gantz, Appleseed, maburaho and suzuka, zero no tsukaima and ichigo 100%
One plot hole. He could have shown his remaining family that he has super powers to prove that he didn't just run away.
When reading it, it's implied that even he didn't know until right before he tried to summon the sword, by then it was too late for him. But also yes, some things must be sacrificed for the plot 😂
@@Wanderer8008 SPOILER: Every single plot hole or reasonable course of action you could think of for all of this to not happen is impossible.
Time Travel Superhero.
@@Kain01able it's been so long since I regret watching an spoiler :(
I want to die by the hand of a demon king, oh wait there is no demon king oh well. Let's make one
He wasn't aware then
It was until utterly broken he realised
Why would any normal person try to use magic as soon as they've come back from a fantasy world
Obviously you'll think you left your magic behind as well
Defeating a Demon king is one thing. Reviving him back over and over again just to get stronger is one of the most Metal as F thing I have heard of in a Isekai story. 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Feels more like just a Tuesday. Min max guide to overleveling faster on youtube. lol
it's not really reviving him as much as
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Reviving over and over again bcs that one hero spoils his plan over 10,000 times so he revives a few hundred thousand more times to corrupt that dude for his plan instead
@@ucmanhvuong4301 They are talking about the Spear Hero's story.
@@ucmanhvuong4301 thd demon spear not the hero of return 😂
To the point where the demon king himself begged the hero to just kill him already
I am having a hard time believing that a family willing to bankrupt themselves looking for someone is going to turn around and be cruel to the very person they were looking for.
EDIT: PLEASE READ THE OTHER REPLIES BEFORE POSTING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER.
bcs it's the parents that care so much to look for him, not much the rest of the family. They did help the parents bcs of family duty, but then they find out (wrongly) that he has been hiding god-knows-where nearby while they bust their asses out to find him. Such a disgrace cannot be kept in the family, so they kick him out. If his parents were still around, they would have been able to accept him, but due to a certain SOMEONE, they are no longer there in this nth timeline
@Đức Mạnh Vương the whole thing could've been prevented if he showed them their power. Also the character the extended family showed indicated that they would never support the parents to the point of bankrupting themselves in the first place
@@Jet-ij9zc oh well it's bcs he was afraid he might be considered a freak
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In the original timeline, he got to meet the hero associations and other allies with same problems so he had no problem showing his power. However, due to Return Hero's manipulation, he's totally isolated. Dude wanted to live a normal life after coming back, the last thing he wanted was to be considered a freak.
its also partially because it was manipulated by the resurrection hero
Maybe I don't know enough about Asian culture, but I feel like they are so strict and traditional that they wouldn't waste any resources to have looked for him in the first place.
Important to note: Lee Sung-Jun does not have control over where he resets. He starts back at when he first returned to Earth every single time he dies. So, he lives through years of stuff multiple times over all of the time.
I think he has a little bit of control. I don't think it was explicitly shown, but I think he can set checkpoints to revive at sometimes. Like when he's training the Spear Hero
@@WanderTheNomad nah, the years became trivial to him so it doesnt seem like it, but he doesnt control it. There was even a monologue he made to himself where he says its fine going through it since he now has a goal in mind instead of letting idle thoughts roam.
Iirc, he can come back to any point in time before the moment he dies. He only comes to the start if the cause is unknown or the target time is unset.
@@Jamik96 He can control how far he reset up until the point of him coming home. But if he died without him expecting it, he'd get reset to the very beginning.
There is a timeline where he tried to make himself mechanical and he went back in time to before he even started the process to become Robotman so saying that he resets from the very beginning is a lie
I kinda like that they use hero in its older definitions as in the Grecian sense, where it’s figures given divine abilities to do great feats but don’t necessarily and usually are not virtues especially their interactions with mortal people.
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The heroes were actually legitimate heroes, specially Sword hero; He was manipulated into breaking, even then it took so much effort to actually break him.
I feel like I'd be that kind of "hero" if I had such abilities. I wouldn't be "the good/moral guy". I would probably be "the guy that makes sure things are the way I think they should be". ^^;; Probably still mostly doing good. But I'm pretty sure not everyone would agree with what I consider "good". :P
As someone caught all the way up with this. It hurts me man. They had the perfect ending, they did everything right, and still it wasn't enough.
Ya, what Ending? It went on hiatus at the beginning of the final fight.
They probably mean the ending where the return hero saves everyone and has a happy life in another timeline but returns after he dies
@@好きメカ you are right. The good ending was great, too bad his powers are automatic.
@@好きメカ tbh I had dropped it because I thought the sword hero was not the mc i didn’t know who the mc was
@@kingzroyalzz7059 I'd say the mc is both the spear hero and sword hero. Sword because he is the main villain and the spear hero because he's the only one who can possibly defeat the sword hero now.
Isekais are either the biggest power fantasies or the most miserable stories ever. No middle ground, no inbetweens. I love it.
Im surprised no ones done a boys inspired isekai sooner. Imagine having that much power around a bunch of npcs, you can literally do anything.
I will definitely be reading this when i can. Instant subscription
There is one type of isekai you're forgetting. That being specifically Konosuba. Not miserable, not a power fantasy. Just a bunch of useless idiots, who should by all logic be overpowered at what they specialize in, barely managing to accomplish both the easiest and most difficult tasks thanks to the one guy who's just lucky and otherwise average that's tired of dealing with the problems they cause.
Within that same spectrum, there's this one h-tai Isekai, where it's exactly that premise. MC falls into a world where people are completely innocent and primal. They eat fruits, violence, essentially, does not exist and everyone lives in a sort of free love society; Language isin't even a thing. MC then starts to change that place slowly with his selfish actions. They develop shame, they develop taste for meat; Slowly grow more violent as feelings of jealously and selfishness develop and stuff like that. I've read it a good while ago, but it still is in the top of my lists of 'most hated MC's to ever exist'. (Source: A world where only I rule.)
@@YTDPROMISE I remember that one. Incredibly frustrating, but captivating to read. Truly an MC that you love to hate bc the story plays out very realistically (imho) despite the idyllic isekai he’s thrown into.
Now and Then, Here and There is a good example of misery, lol.
I mean there's also the isekai where it becomes slice of life stuff
Regressor Instruction Manual or How to use a returner is pretty dark. The MC is a powerless but knows how to turn people against each other. Great stuff.
RIM is a happy dark where you can sleep peacefully after reading it. Hero has returned is just fucking dark dark. everything is pain. totally incomparablee
Oh yeah, that's some great stuff. Especially when that plot twist happened
@@thenoblesolo4965 Same thing with "How to live as a villain", the MC is scum and he knows it, but he is entertaining as all hell and everyone in his world has at least a screw loose, so you don't feel bad while reading his crimes against humanity (the chapter where he brainwashed a japanese player was a bit much tho).
@@thenoblesolo4965yeah rim has some moral greyness but most things the mc does are retaliation against other awful people or for his own survival. Definitely can sleep fine after reading
@@lh776 most things mc does are entirely selfish and manipulative. Few of those things hurt other people, sure, with a few huge exceptions ofc
This story really took me by surprise man. I binged the entire thing! The way these characters are depicted is incredible and heartbreaking. Thank you for bringing this gem of a series to my attention.
I think it's guaranteed if you're into anime you've seen or heard of an isekai, big one people always miss, most Digimon seasons are isekai.
..... Holy shit..... Why did I never make that connection 😂
Drifters is a isekai
Pokémon is debatably a isekai or at least something intensely meta since that kid has never changed even by in world standards
There’s a couple other sneaky ones I can’t recall as well.
What does Ash not growing up have to do with isekai? I fail to see the argument for pokemon being isekai
@@varvariiin guy basically lives in a different world after making that wish guy lives in some type of reality warping situation at minimum.
@@RomanvonUngernSternbergnrmfvus what are you even talking about? What guy? Ash? He lives in the world he was born in so no pokemon is not an isekai
I never understood the reason so many Isekai protagonist WANT to go back home.
Most of the time, the world they get Isekai'd into is something so drastically different that there's no possible way to properly reintegrate into society after getting used to the society of the other world. Arifureta is probably one of the best examples - by the end of the first arc, the main character is basically not even human anymore; there is no possible way for him to ever reintegrate into a normal human life in his world yet returning to his world is his grand goal. A goal he is willing to fight gods to accomplish, without even considering the fact that a human that can defeat a god has absolutely NO PLACE in the world he came from.
And that's without even taking into account the fact that some Isekai take place over the course of several years, years in which a character lives an entirely different life in an entirely different world - how could you ever go back?
It seems like most of these protagonists are taking a page out of the book of Marche from FFA.
You know, when he was saying you shouldn't use fantasy to dodge your problems in reality.
Perhaps that's the reason why so many of them are determined to go back.
Old Comforts? Familiarity? Old Attachments? A lack of fucking transhuman danger?
Depending on when you're taken or even how you were taken, there may always be regrets about your old life. Just because you probably shouldn't, or couldn't, go back, doesn't mean you wouldn't miss your old life. Hell, it could all boil down to the new world being a shithole compared to your old one.
I would want to return because I have so many stories to write (and am writing), and fantasy land ain't gonna understand even 1/10th of those.
usually, it's the summoned hero trope that wants to go back home since they still have important ties in their original world who knows they exist
I actually love the Arifureta LN for this exact reason. The MC has a drastic change in mindset and obtains an enormous amount of power for the sole purpose of going home, but at one point, it's revealed that he's secretly terrified of what will happen when he gets home because he doesn't believe he's fully human anymore.
FFF-Class Hero is a similar story, though more dark comedy, than complete tragedy.
The hero lives through a typical Isekai, but it turns out to be a test. He fails it, because he killed his comrades before facing the Demon King. So, he is forced to go through the same life again, and again. He either has to prove his character improved, and he learned from the experience, or figure out how to stop the entire experiment.
It's up to 140 chapters, and insanity follows the hero as he solves problems in a manner befitting a polite, gentle, and civilize man of the modern world.
makes sense you dont want to reward a psychopath
@@durrangodsgrief6503 it expands on why he ended up killing them.
Specifically, every kill gives experience. Since they were all high level, then they boosted his level to be high enough to beat the demon king.
The broad strokes involves the general bratty behavior of each chick and how she screwed up the world out of selfish pride.
As a spoiler, the elf chick kills her more politically incline brother, and wanted a race war against the humans. Because her relative was captured and sold as a slave. (Mind you the relative did this to escape the elf chick.) The elves cannot win said war without the hero's help.
Hilariously enough her mother cheats on her father with the demon king in every incarnation.
@durran godsgrief nah most of the party members he killed were vile. The system is an hypocrite in that manga.
@@youngthinker1 wow so everyone is just fucked then should have told the Spirit he was going by the morals of ancient heroes
@@durrangodsgrief6503 Honestly he sorta has a cheat power against the demon King, aka the Demon king gets huge debuffs if he faces against the hero, but against anyone else the Demon king is massively op practically unbeatable.
This is shown in the manwha where he is no longer the hero and he wonders why he couldn't beat the demon king despite being much stronger than his previous selves.
I don't remember much since i dropped it at some point.
There’s 0 chance this doesn’t get an anime. 95% chance it’s Netflix. This sounds like a Netflix anime. So it will either be grade sss perfection or grade f trash.
For me, this is THE best after isekai anime. It may for some be really weird an confusing in the beggining but as the story goes on you get it all explained, bit by bit. And the best thing are the atntagonist. I never was so emphatic with villians like here. Even though they are not truly villians.
The return hero is definitely still a villain. Just not a villain of his own making. And one with twisted, but ultimately good intentions.
@@SanquinityBro literally stole the entire series.
To me, who is currently reading this story, the only way i can describe this manwha is "NO HAPPY ENDINGS". This manwha is for those who like a story where there's no good endings, there's not happy ever after or any sort of catharsis to the heroes and people lives.
There will be only misery and sadness no matter which side wins, and each chapter you are expecting a glimpse of hope just to be bombarded with more disaster incoming.
@@sanshinobi3664 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Tragedy tag is there for a reason
Edge for the sake of edge basically.
Yea reading through it... there's literally nothing satisfying with the story. It's edginess just exceeds past any point of engagement and is simply there because its the whole stories selling point. Honestly, spare yourselves the time and don't read it.
The early fights are pretty much complete suffering and 0 payoffs. But after the fight with the Faith Warrior, the edge starts to slowly thin out, and we start to see that they may have a fighting chance. The icing of it all is probably the Resurrection Warrior. His story is undeniably the best one out of all of the Warriors we’ve seen so far.
Banger story, though if any story needed a 'Tragedy' tag, it's this one.
A note on the underground bunker massacre, it's one of the most badass chapter ever, a tragic one, but bloody badass as well. Especially since it doesn't just cut to black or anything lame like that, you actually get to feel the desperate last stand as the normie humans pretty much charges headlong into death to keep the Spear hero safe. And they succeed! It's hype as fuck.
What this guy said. The story is one that super dark, but oddly full of hope. Hope that gets crushed, but HOPE, and small victories.
It was like cadia
Cadia STANDS!
@@Ζήνων-ζ1ι 🗣🗣🗣🗣🗣
What's the name of the manhwa
Seriously I would love to see an isekai story remiscient of the early 2000s, where a group of teenagers get transported to another world and the story is just about them trying to adjust to their new surroundings while trying to find a way back to their original world.
Are you referencing a specific isekai because I remember one exactly like that description
@@elknothin3403 grimgar and ashes?
You mean like Digimon?
@@reilysmith5187 basically
You might want to watch Log Horizon, it's EXACTLY that.
this should deffinitly get an anime, we need more dark isekai, most of what's out there now is to light and cheery. I can do with a bit more darkness, hell i need it at this point after all the bright slice of life isekai ive been watching.
we got drifters as a banger but it got rushed near the last eps
The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth.
Srsly I just feel really bad for the supposed villain of this story. It's not like he wanted to be this way, it's just the whole world (or more specifically a single person) is against him. At the point that he turned to villainy, he got no family, no friends, no school education, no job, no social acceptance (even police shun him). And it's really freaking painful, and when you get to later chapters, it just becomes more depressing. SPOILER:
Mr. Return Hero was actually an actual hero in his first timeline when he came back to Earth. He along SWORD hero, magical girl, vampire guy, power ranger dude, SHield hero, ORIGINAL spear hero were the victors against evil after the 110th return. They went on to marry and have kids and lived fulfilling lives. UUUUUNNNTTTIIIILLLLLL Return discovers that returning from death literally meant any death, even of old age, and he got sent back to when he first returned to earth. So I'll spare you the details of each return after that point, but after a certain point, racked with trauma and guilt of betraying his former friends and keeping the world in a loop, he remembered abt the detail that only a demon king can kill a hero, so he planned to make a demon king.
However since the demon king needs to want to destroy the world, he cant just make himself the demon king since he's doing everything to SAVE it. So he tried corrupting the heroes both bad and good but one obstacle is always there: the SWORD hero, who just destroys whatever half demon king that was growing at that time, none has enough time to mature. Dude was too strong for his own good. So after a while Return figured, fck that, let's turn that obstacle into a demon king then.
So he started by mowing down Sword's parents, then he spread rumors to his family and his friends so that they isolate him. The rumors even reach police so like when Sword gets brutalized or robbed no one protected him or vouch for him. Return bribed the school teachers so they wont accept Sword back. Then he went to work on the hero association and got the capable ppl in the previous lives fired and put incompetent ppl in their places, so no one can reach out to the poor guy. Return also made sure no former hero allies in the past returns can meet up with Sword to comfort or change him. He even made sure to erase any timeline where Sword either repents or regrets his actions, or ones where he suicides to save the world from his dumb rampage. And as implied, any help Sword was supposed to received got axed after Return spent around 300k returns to go back and formed the exact plans to deal the most psychological pain to Sword, all the while the poor man still had to live believing that he himself was the one who "killed" his parents. Then we get to that 1st chapter again and this time, after Return's manipulation, Sword has fully turned into a unremorseful killing machine.
AND THEN when his former party members from the other world appear, there was a glimmer of hope that maybe he could be saved from the emotional hell but nope, Return planned it so they all die in front of the guy, making him lose that single fire that was lit back up for a few mins. At that point he stopped caring and got transformed into a demon king.
AFter all this abuse, I really just want him to have his W then rest. Like fck off with the bs Spear Hero winning. They both should die by each others' hands. Spear should die bcs he's a whiny bitch who keeps complaining as if he's the only one hurt, while for Sword Hero, death is more like a sweet release for him at this point🙁
So, you are explaining to me that the whole plot of the story is a complex suicide attempt.
@@NIK_NOK_107 well not really that complex. Dude wanna die to free earth, cant kill himself, needs to corrupt others to kill him, but he doesn't want to destroy the world so he also trains a hero capable of saving the world from his mess after his death
@@ucmanhvuong4301 well I can't argue with that, it's just the story is not really my cup of tea. I tried to try to enjoy but i couldn't
@@NIK_NOK_107 to each their own. Personally I usually prefer ecchi and harem tags, but the unfairness to Sword hero kept me coming back to cheer him on, and shit on the spear crybaby as much as possible
@@NIK_NOK_107 more like saving the multiverse and it timeline but yeah you are correct too
I didn't think this story was good at first, but it's genuinely exceptional. It's probably the best manwha I've ever read, and I have to admit I didn't come in expecting much.
It's that good, seriously.
Tower of god mate
i remember not liking the story all that much, then thinking it was some of the most god tier manhwas i've ever read. c
@@MageMalice Yeah everything starts clicking together after that one plot twist and you go like "holy shit it makes sense now" :D
@@sumgrape2151 Tower of God is really just "Rachel BETRAYS Bam" over and over again
@@sumgrape2151 tower of mid
The hero of rebirth as you call him is actually The Hero of Return.
The Hero of Save-scumming is more accurate.
@@Bloodlyshiva This.... IS SO FUCKIN ACCURATE
He's just Zasalamel minus the big fuckoff scythe
@@Bloodlyshiva yeah he was so fcking selfish, literally that main cause why the hero of sword became like this
@@SilverMere20 i understand your point but imagine living a miserable life over infinite time.... Plus he already lived all the happy endings
The story goes from " Damn this shit is interesting" to "huh? Oh ok" to "meh" to "Holy shit it's amazing"
This video was surprisingly somber. You're talking about a really grim Manga, and it was suitably serious. I'm checking this out now, because I had no Idea that a Boys Isekai was something I needed in my life. Holy Hell
it's amazing you find out the twist of why the comic is named Hero has returned like 10 chapters before the season's end.
It's both, it's really about all of the Heroes that returned.
If you want another great subcersive Isekai, there's a LitRPG story called He Who Fights With Monsters, about an irreverent Australian man who gets pulled into a magical world, has adventures, saves the world, comes home... Has to save the world again... And again... And again... Until he manages to finally get back to the other world, where he has his friends, after his family ends up very scared of him. And then the story continues. He has to deal with his traumas and all the experiences and deaths he's had. It's really freaking good.
I love he who fights monsters. It's on par with apocalypse in the North.
Dude I literally have that shit on audible right now and you spoiled it I'm in book two. That crap sounds far away
@@baronvonjo1929 That's one of those things that sounds like a spoiler but isn't. It becomes clear pretty quickly that he is going to return to earth. The real tension isn't "Will he or won't he" but "How much shit does he have to go through before he does?" and "does he manage to retain his humanity?".
Next to Tao Wong's System Apocalypse: Apocalypses in the North, and System Apocalypse: Australia, 'He who Fight's Monsters' is awesome and worthy of the read.
@@baronvonjo1929 sorry about that
Omg I'm listening to the audio books right now for this series and it is phenomenal!!
The initial premise of a bunch of isekai heroes returning to earth reminds me of this decade old anime called Aesthetica of a Rogue Hero. However instead being dark and subversive it was a magic highschool ecchi harem series.
JP isekai has learned that you can't go super dark with the reality of giving people superpowers or magic, and get published. Same with Anime.
There are examples where the story fringes into Slaves or Harems, or the magic system has consequences and severe limits, but it's often hidden or moved into different topics. Or Ecchi like Redo of Healer, Guts and Berzerk, and a few reincarnation/returns, sic.
Hence they have built conventions like a magic school. The guilds. Demon Kings, etc.
Because, if you don't have these governing controls, you have heroes that gain power through killing people and animals... Thousands of them. And these 12-16 year olds "power up" by killing small animals. Sounds normal.
Guilds register people who have skills so that other people can stop sociopaths from gathering or forming gangs and pillaging entire countries. Same with magic schools, et al.
And if they aren't "Demons"... Well... It's basically indentured soldiers conscripted to kill the King of another nation as Assassin or Child Soldier to avoid the diplomatic problems and give plausible deniability if the assassins are captured or killed.
the idea of a cold war arms race with various governments snatching up returned heroes was a cool concept and it's a shame the show relegated it to background dressing.
So... wait, he was able to return home with his powers intact... so that should have been sufficient to convince people of his story when he does things that SHOULD be impossible...
On the other hand, this reminds me of a collaborative project I saw on a Message Board called "I'm fighting to free this world from my previous victims"
A "Dark Isekai" where a bully and his tormented victims are all reincarnated into a fantasy world, the victims, with their Protagonist Tier powers and plot armor quickly become the tormentors themselves, conquering the world and becoming tyrants, while the bully is reincarnated as a low-tier creature and has to learn lessons and eventually save the world.
Keeping spoilers to a minimum but it would’ve been impossible for him to think of doing that
Do you remember which message board the collabrative project is from?
"So... wait, he was able to return home with his powers intact... so that should have been sufficient to convince people of his story when he does things that SHOULD be impossible"
By the time he returns, his parents are already dead and the damage its already done.
Was that in alternate history site because I remember one like that
there's a darker one. "The Hero Who Seeks Revenge Shall Exterminate With Darkness" I'm not going to lie, it's the most satisfyingly brutal thing I've read in a long time. "Dungeon Seeker" is also really good, and it's the only manga I've ever read that has an actual ending.
This one is darker. The hero who seeks revenge isn't so much dark as it is gory. This story is more misery porn. The hero who seeks revenge is more torture porn.
I find the skeleton who fails to Defend the dungeon to be way darker than most and also not fall into the comically edgy trap that this story did
@@Sigismund-von-Luxembourg it’s dark but you don’t really pay much attention to it because of all the comedy used to overshadow it and the mc being a skeleton makes you not think about it much
@@user-nk5us7jw1s There hasn't been any comedy stuff in awhile that said if it didn't have comedic moments it would be too depressing to read.
Rooftop SwordMaster is also a good one. Though it’s more like a reverse Isekai but in a weird way.
The hero of return is easily my favorite character in this series
May I ask why?
Nah mate, man sacrafice other people happy ending 💀
I mean how can you hate him after everything he’s been through.
Spoiler:
He was stuck in an infinite time loop that made it so that so long as he exists then the world can never move forward, ultimately his decisions that cost the lives of over 1B was worth it.
he remind me of Eren Jaeger but actually well written
For me this is the closest to reality that will happen if you are isekai'd and get back to earth.
LOL idk, must be a korean thing but I don't see families gettied destroyed over looking for a missing son.
@@vilxxblack2472 Work culture in korea is screwed. I can totally see that father offing himself like he did. Sword heros mother dying? Well she was killed by the Rebirth Hero..Can see all of these scenarios happen irl especially if you are not the only messed up person who had returned.
Tbh i feel that if i could level half a city with a single swing i probably wouldn't even need an actual reason. Haven't read the story yet so maybe they do have it already but someone being a dick just because they have an opportunity to is as close to reality as it gets
@@rafaelcastor2089 You're telling on yourself.
@@nitrogenbubbles4555 I know?
I saw this video, decided to check it out, and read all 85 chapters in one sitting, like wow this is actually top tier
My memory’s so shit it doesn’t matter if it’s spoiled, I’ll forget it in a week.
when he said that he killed minsu's parents, i thought he was joking.
I wouldn't blame him for what he did, he destroyed the world to save the world from an endless loop
You are gonna make me read and finish another manga in the bones of week.
Gooooooood
The
concept of an op isekai coming to earth is very compelling. Like turning a hero of another world into a villain and threat to this world is solid concept. Think I will check it out tbh and even if you spoilt stuff it sounds freaking dope
Spear hero: GRIFFITH!!!... wait wrong universe. SWORD HERO!!!!
So he’s the Clang Spearman now?
Bruh the Resurrection Heros backstory was sad asf. I had to put the story down for a couple days to process it cos that shi was too damn depressing for me. They really made me like that guy
I didn't really care much about his sob story because it took 60 chapters to tell which is ridiculous
So wait, he had access to a max revive potion that could cure people from death and didn't think to use it on his parents? Or to use his powers to prove where he was or make money off of them? Seems like a lot of this could've been easily resolved early on.
He got the potion in the other world AFTER his family died. Since then, when he got back, the world was already messed up so there wasn't much to profiteer with his newfound abilities. Also, he's on a one-track-mind to kill the sword hero.
There's a big spoiler:-
due to which no matter what he did, the situation were made so by someone (spoiler) that he ws bound to be lonely and miserable
Can he realistically find the bodies after the mess that happened in the world
@@vaeger2947 considering the wacky powers all the heros have, I assume basically anything is possible. Doesn't seem there are many limits in this magic system.
It was the SPEAR Hero who had the max revive potion. All the Sword Hero had was the clothes on his back. When he found out about his Parents, he fell into a Guilt-fueled depression that his powers couldn't do anything about, assuming he even knew he had them, which he apparently didn't until he killed that bully. By that point he'd stopped caring (after all, his parents are dead, and everybody else wants him dead, so why should he give a crap?)
As for why didn't the Spear Hero try to use the Max Revive Potion on his family, first he has to find them, and then hope that the potion can cure rotting as well as death (what, you thought his mother & sister were gonna get a proper burial?)
The concept of heroes on this manwha reminds me of the concepts of devils in chainsawman. You get the hero of spear, hero of return, hero of fascism and so on, and their power is in direct connection with how strong the demon king is in their respective isekai worlds.. Amazing concept and execution. And they say you can't do original power systems anymore.
wait till you see the 3rd hero of faith
@@modestbutterWait till the hero of jews comes out
4 minutes in and i'm interested. i gotta pause the video and read the story for myself now.
Well done, dude. This is exactly the reason i watch these types of videos.
Wow, that also says something pessimistic about humanity in general since they were so spiteful as to drive multiple heroes to insanity. But it also has a hopeful view of humanity as there are still good people left.
As half-Japanese I find cringe when people use words such as “reverse isekai” and “anti-isekai” it gives me the impression they don’t know the meaning of the word and use it lightly.
If the government already aware of this hero return phenomenon they should have build an organization to find and recruit these heroes. So that this whole being rejected by everyone plot won't heppen.
An anime this reminded me of is I'm Quitting Heroing. DEFINITELY not as dark, but a LOT more so than the first episodes would have you believe. It's not often where Americans will acknowledge where a story should just naturally end (getting TOO wrapped up in the characters, rather than what they're supposed to be doing), but the ending of that show was a REALLY good way to wrap up a single season anime show. I get the desire for a studio wanting to create the next Star Wars, or Harry Potter, or whatever never-ending epic franchise, but I really liked the show for just telling a good solid story and not trying to throw in filler or continue milking it just to keep a steady income for the studio (OVA's get a pass in this regard as far as I'm concerned, they're usually gonna be mostly fan service and not canon anyway).
I think I was fully on board with this webtoon after the spear hero is taken out of commission and shifts perspective to different characters.
hero has returned is one unique manhwa, it has alot of really good plot twists. it has characters, motives, and resolve.
I mean he could of just said "I was kidnapped and managed to escape" and this whole thing half fixes itself. What is the school gonna say "hey thats your fault for being kidnapped"
its kinda sad because all lee wanted was everyone to live but couldn't do that because he kept on returning to the start of when he got back to the earth.
I think the first Isekai that I've read was a fan manga for the Korean MMORPG Mabinogi. Protagonist was a cancer patient who died in their sleep, only to wake up in Nao's (a goddess in the game) Soul Stream and eventually end up in the world of Mabinogi after talking to Nao.
I prefer "Hero of Return" for the Hero of Rebirth. Partially because that is just what the translation i read called him, and because i feel it is a bit more accurate for his abilities
I remember watching an isekai anime that was absolutely brutal its name was something along of “something ashes” fantasy of ashes or so.
Started off as light hearted, bright cozy animation, next thing you know everyone is dropping dead, going crazy, goblins absolutely fking them up.
Its sad that it only had one season tho.
Drifters is also pretty brutal but not as tragic.
Grimgar of fantasy and ashes
@@soyhugo390 that one! Thanks, one of the best anime i have seen, dark af
@@BurriedTruth and one of the best works 1-A studio has done. Not just the content, but visuals also were outstanding
Haven't watched it myself, as I'm not that much into the really dark stuff. But I do find some things I heard about it pretty interesting. Like how the author thought of what it would really be like in a fantasy world. Don't just use your healing on every scratch, or you won't have mana when it's really needed. Be careful. Death could be hiding around an unexpected corner. Etc.
@@Sanquinity it' also popular coz it focuses heavily on inter-personal relations between characters, instead of just the story. As a result, characters are really flashed out
The MC/villain just disrespected the Demon King by reviving him after killing again and again
Isekai uncle, but he hates sand, it's coarse and get's everywhere.
He turns to the dark side after getting burned.
Lol. 😂
I've also read this and I fuckn love it! It's like you can't hate anyone because they have their own reasons why they behave or act the way they do. The scene that moved me the most was the origin story of the girl on thr church
The second video about this manwha on the platform this is truly an underrated gem.
Great manhwa but one thing that bugged me so much from fully enjoying it is the Sword Hero's conviction of wiping the entire human race.
His main reason to kill everyone is because "he had it hard" and wants everyone to feel the same. And when you compare it to someone like Return Hero, who actually suffered so much more, his actions seem unreasonable.
His character is flawed yes but if you want me to feel something towards him, then you gotta give a good reason why I should and losing your family doesn't warrant a mass genocide. To me, he just looks like an emo given a delete button.
If their aim is to make an antagonist that'll piss me off then it worked.
You could argue that what Return Hero did is a lot worse as he's the reason why everything's gone to shit. Heck you could even call him selfish for doing it just so he can finally die. But given his situation, could you really blame him? Sword Hero to Return Hero is like a puddle to an ocean if we're talking about painful experience.
His dark turn went from crazy to cringe later on.
I mean what's the point for him going dark and yet got beaten by some hero who recently got out. Him as a veteran former hero is pathetic experience is still beaten by plot armor hero
Demon king: JUST LET ME DIE!
spear hero: *NO*
*proceed to ender dragon farm him for couple hundreds of times*
Lets be honest atleast 40% of us dropped this when we learned that the sword hero is not the MC
i am one of them.
@@The_Fool999ool.
There's a great plot twist coming ahead and all the fights are so hype and fire asl 🔥and the art became devious peak when they fight.
You should come back.
If it does not convince you.
Minor spoiler: Spear hero is not the MC nor the sword hero 😉
hero has returned is my top manwha even beating a big title like solo levelling, the plot although not perfect without hole is goodly well done that you'll choose to accept it, no cringe isekai bullshit and is dark and more suited for adult reader. If u are an avid manwha reader and (somehow) never read this please go read it, i promise you will like it or at least keep you intrigued. One of the main villain, hero of revival is one of my most favourite and well executed villain along with johan liebert from Monster.
Relatable
So happy I stopped watching to read the story, binged it to now on webtoon. It's so good, very epic and very heart breaking especially metamorphosis hero, that shit made me cry. For those who feel put off reading it, because a lot of time the heroes are losing, remember: This may be the darkest timeline, but there's still hope.
What’s the exact name in the WEBTOON
@@ashrafissa196 the name on WEBTOON is “The Warrior Returns”
@@ashrafissa196 The hero returns
Favorite is still Twelve Kingdoms. Teenager is approached by a man telling her she is a rightful ruler of a kingdom, she is confused and refuses. But then a massive storm washes her and two others into another world reminiscent of ancient China. Mysteriously, she can speak the language while the other two can't, and what ensues is major fantasy drama unlike anything you see in modern isekai
'"They tell you you're the greatest but once you turn they hate us"
This is the most beautiful tragedy story that I ever read, then it become a manga it became a masterpiece. All the plothole that you going to see in the story is going to make sense because of the plot twist and the ending, is a chef's kiss. The plot twist is the most beautiful "WTF" moments. 10/10 to me.
So read idk 200+ chapters with dozens of plot holes but it's fine since the ending will maybe solve most of them when it's released in a few years. Or let's be honest, likely never, a lot of manga never reach their ending
@Keshuel novel. It already ended. Raw version.
Can you spoil it for me? And then delete it.
@Keshuel I'm suprise by that too, all that stuff happen and it's only SS1 , what the hell gonna happen next season
@@cloberlobster2276 Nah. But I give you a small part of the ending. You know the One punch man time travel with a little avengers time travel. Just change it into spear hero and the sword hero.
Watch out! Spoiler!!
Warned you.
This manhwa isn't about hero of sword, hero of spear or even hero of magic.
It's about Hero of Return (Rebirth). Don't say he's a bad guy - he gets the most terrifying and realistic reason ever. Immortality.
It's a story about hundred thousand of years, lives and worlds sacrificed for tomorrow that will never come. Because when this hero dies - world resets back to the most optimal point. Any. Possible. Death. Will. Do. This. Suicide - not an option. Guns - not an option. NOTHING is an option! Imagine: living a perfect life, saving everyone and everything just to all of it being shattered by none other than you. It may be the best blessings iseikai character can get but it is the hardest punishment irl. I can't blame him - this is impossible to bare.
He can be killed by Demon Lord, that's true. But there is no demon lord in our world. If there were no Gods - we should invent them...
Most of the time this manhwa is cringy af but... Somehow I love it. The part when LAST STRAW stoping hero of sword broke and made him Demon Lord hit me hard. Spoiler again: his companions died in super gruesome and dark way. Friggin terrifying. And painful.
As much as I want to see a good ending I subconsciously know that there can't be one...
I'd love to see an inverse of the Isekai genre where a hero from another world is sent to ours to take a chosen hero back. You could even make it a slice of life type thing where they spend time trying to adapt to modern life.
But most important of all, make the chosen hero not care, and completely avoid every attempt. Random portal shows up? He turns around and walks the other way. Assassins? He knocks them out and takes them to the police.
You'd probably have to make it like uncle from another world, where he's sent to the wrong time period and has to drive the truck/find the protagonist. But he doesn't realise he's too early and he hasn't been born yet.
There was a Truck-Kun isekai where heroes were picked out and transported via couriers.
This story really put me off because it seems like they didn't even try to explain the situation to their family, like all he had to do was summon his weapon or armor.
4:30 in, now it makes sense why the circumstances seemed so forced to isolate him, it's to have the "going bad" narrative.
I feel like Hero Has Returned has one of the biggest letdowns in almost all of webtoon. In a medium plagued with repetition of tired tropes, this one did something pretty fresh for once with an absolutely banger start to a series. It does a fantastic job building up the protagonist/villain in a way that captivates the readers while making us wonder where the story is going next.
And then it throws all of that potential in the trash in the first few panels of chapter 3 by saying "also there's like a dozen more evil heroes now" "and also the government collapsed" "and also they're exclusively ruling over South Korea for some reason" "and also also there's been a 1 year time skip so you don't really get to see how any of this actually happened."
No, none of this is actually important. What's actually important is the backstory of the minor antagonist the new protagonist encounters, apparently. That's definitely how you improve the flow of the story. This kind of problem just isn't a simple blunder; the writing has a difficult time creating plausible scenarios that just make you think "a-ha, that makes sense." I really wish I could like Hero Has Returned and say it's an A+ with how much cool stuff it does at times, but if you look at the story as a whole, HHR is like a B- at best.
Yeah the concept is incredibly cool but the forced backstory of random characters down the throat just kills the thing. Not even Demon Slayer and MGS does so much guilt tripping holy shit
I mean it's all leading up to the reveal that the Resurrection Warrior has been puppeteering the situation from the beginning. You wouldn't give a shit about the other heroes if you didn't know about their backstory and how we've come to know them so far. Perhaps it could've been done in a bit of a faster light, but they had to build up the story somehow until the big reveal, eh?
@@ZappoNinja Unfortunately the big reveal isn't exactly stellar
@@PixelHeroViish Opinions vary, I thought it was fantastic cause it fit everything together and everything from then on made perfect sense. Even went back throughout the story and the foreshadowing to it was phenomenal. Might’ve not been stellar to you, but it was to me for fucking sure.
@@ZappoNinja Fair enough
That kind of thing is extremely difficult to pull off well and there will always be more "Okay but why? How?" popping up lmao
Can confirm, this is super good. Gets crazier as it goes on.
You make this manhwa sound way better than it actually is
Did you read it fully?
@@TheRealBatman_2 Hell no I dropped it like 30 chapters in
dude the whole manga gets better when they reach Hero of Return backstories. its around 50 chapter
Thank you so much for this video recommendation.
I'm someone who gets emotionally invested in characters quite easily, so when some of these things happened, man I started tearing up. Story is batshit insane with so much despair and sadness littered throughout. Honestly goated
"Re zero crossed with the boys *pic of homelander*" you earned my like
Man, I kind of need that anime too now!!! 🤣
Excellent way of sharing the events in the story, even being mindfull of spoilers. Thanks for the content, I'll see who I can share this with. That sole premise is just annoyingly cool!!!
I remember when this was released. Everyone that read it then didn't like the guy because he killed people without "reason" completely forgetting about his backstory. They didn't show sympathy for the guy and just straight up hated him. I mean i understand that, but they actually called the story shit because of this and rated it very low just because of this.
I personally think the story is great. They just don't like it because they have been exposed to so much "power of friendship" manwhas that they didn't even consider the story, and was solely focused on the guy being evil.
Id like to see an isekai where an enlightened member from a future society so advanced they could harness power from the stars+
And have the average civilian thats on the level of Lelouch sent to another world with slightly less advancements but still good.
I think the issue of Future tech in parallel/modern earth is that you don't have stakes.
In comic/manga/manhua it's not common unless it's VR OR parallel earth.
The technology gap tends to be selfish fantasy fulfilment, ie Jarvis like AI and stock market manipulation, building space ships from sports cars, etc.
or the technology is used to survive an impending disaster or apocalypse/zombie apocalypse.
There is an inverse RPG MMO in real life story, but future tech tends to have limits. If levelling up in a game gave you magic/super-strength... Or martial arts skills out of game, IDK.
There is a story where the Veteran player enters their MMO world, as a forgettable NPC before the game starts and takes over the main plotline as a Tony Stark type mechanical engineering combat soldier, eventually leveraging the storyline as one of the hero characters of the MMO, and knowing the original plotline once the players join, he can award quests to the players and gains equivalent XP from players, he decides to monopolise and change the story so he doesn't get murdered by the story Arc NPC characters & Factions who are about to invade earth, sic.
There are a few stories like this in Web novels,
Eg Scientist gets a "system" that improves their knowledge dramatically via quests to write or solve scientific problems, to cheat scientific development, and fast-forward the technology base. It eventually makes sense as to how and why he gets the system, and it's one of the more "grounded" formats, which takes a few massive turns.
There's also a "dark" webnovel where a flash drive has access to Movie Fantasy world's, if you download the movie to the drive.
but, it also requires extravagant levels of energy and power before it works as it opens a portal. The protagonist decides to make money, as you do, so he pulls out SciFi technology from pausing various movies. Until he realises he's not the first owner of the flash drive, and there were some horror movies on there before.
I really enjoyed both stories, especially the concept of memes as a terrifying cthulu like existence that can cross over with other horror concepts. It isn't for the squeamish, occasional arcs are difficult to root for or continue reading. But its maybe 2-5% of the series.
@@Toliman. plot twist.
The God/man Emperor of of mankind in warhammer 40k is actually an isekai protagonist from the far distant past.
But, but how am I supposed to showcase my superior intelligence to the midieval fantasy and totally accurate science with magic and introduce stuff like soy sauce, guns and crop rotation?
@@skeyedrake5929 That sounds like a good twist. The power level of a 'god level' ability landing in modern society has to be balanced against the big bad, how serious is the threat /challenge to overcome.
And, what tech survives the landing/crash to earth.
I'm reminded of Dahak (the moon is a hibernating spaceship hiding from galactic AI for tens of thousands of years, and upon detecting signs of being scouted out, decides to wake up and kidnap people to help pilot but also fight the enemy),
but also the Apocalypse Troll, a weber book in which a 25th century marine end up facing a time-travel invasion force of kangas, cyborg "dalek" like invaders who, on losing their war against earth, decide to open a portal to early periods of earth, e.g. 2007, to get a foothold and more resources.
The future human has to adapt nanotech and biotech from the 25th century to fight against a "troll" that has the ability to read/control minds from vast distances of hundreds of miles, sic.
I always kind of thought WH40k was a bit like the Event Horizon Movie/franchise's ship becoming "evil", or infested aura/psychic corruption, eg. Chaos.
The problem might be that the nature/magic of Chaos, is a bit ephemeral, and writing a non-40K story with elements from 40K, but not the whole 40K lore is difficult to entertain without also drawing in other 40k references. Imagine trying to build a 40K MMO game, and figuring out how to add 'fishing' minigames during an all-out assault.
Maybe something like the vernor vinge Blight/Zones of Thought, or the Mass Effect indoctrination/reaper tech, where a traveller isn't corporeal, but jumps hosts or has the ability to interact at a "ghost" or "ghost in the machine" presence instead.
Isn't that the premise of the Culture books?
isekai ojisan kinda touches on that with only the dudes nephew even greeting him and talking about how bad the family got when he went into a coma
DUDE, I SAW THAT MANWA SOMEWHERE BUT FORGOT THE NAME OF IT
This is the edgiest "im 14 and this dark" story i had the pleasure of reading
I'm so glad it's getting recognition. I started reading it when the first chapter came out and was like holy fuck. Couldn't wait and would read it whenever it came out
ive been looking for an iseaki that actually moves on from the fantasy set up to the after story for so damn long thank u so much, ive not finished the video since now i want to read it on my own but i will when i finish it
edit: im a bit disappointed, it honestly doesn't use the physiological potential it could have. if you guys like edgy fantasy in the modern world this is your story but it definitely it isn't what i was looking for. so keep looking it is.
From heroic knight in isekai world to evil knight in real world
OMG. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR RECOMMENDING THIS!!! This is EXACTLY how you subvert expectations without ruining the hero's journey frame work. I love how the world doesn't just simply stand by like passerbys. Everyone does their part to save lives and make serious sacrifices to protect the ones they love. I cried several times while reading this. But I think I was the saddest during the handsome sea dragon's backstory chapter. There've been times I'll watch a fantasy movie and wish the main character didn't have to leave or say goodbye. 'Hero has Returned' kinda teaches us the consequences of what happens when we DON'T move on. Finally, the art is INCREDIBLE. it really does need to be animated! I just loved the way the action flows as you're scrolling down the page - it just puts you in the middle of an epic scene.
Nice recommend. I’m already up to the mid 40s. I thought it was going to be another basic edge lord fantasy type story but with some of the story twists while predictable we’re still well executed. The returner hero is interesting but I’m not far enough into it to be convinced he’s the ultimate puppet master. I’ll see. I’m burning though different series like crazy atm.
Man, the writer really really knows how to do character development. I’m at the mid 60s and I’m happy I can no longer predict what’s coming as instead of going off the rails so much of what people have complained about “character wouldn’t do this” makes much more sense if you factor in the Groundhog Day effect. So well done and thought out. Hadn’t explored the aspect of that trope to this degree and happy to have something new to think over. I’m still wondering if there’s some bigger lovecraftian type entity manipulating even the creation of the heroes and demon kings in various worlds. If so maybe the return hero has a goal/target he’s not seeing yet. These worlds have divinity’s and the like so I’m curious how it all mesh in the end.
This reminds me of another anime i know that by the life of me i cant remember the name of, its about a nun that kill izekai protagonist beacuse all of thembwere usually evil or something like that
Edit: its called the executioner and her way of life
Isekai trope: All our protagonists should be a hero.
Overlord: Bro...
Isekai trope: Well, Isekai should be about a guy living his life to the fullest!
Isekai Ojisan: Bro...
Isekai trope: Uhh, well, when the protagonists comes home, he should be happy!
Dungeon seekers: ...I ain't even gonna say anything 🗿
Such a shame people dropped this manhwa just because the sword hero is not the main character,this guy more fit as main villain than main character.
everyone is the main character
thats the point
they are all 'heroes' and 'protagonists's
with all the Isekai amines coming out recently its quite refreshing to hear about a manga that shows the after effect of the character disappearing from their world
decided to give the series a go after the first 7 minutes. been a fantastic read so far, thanks for the reccomendation!
This is SERIOUSLY so crazy good, when are we getting the anime??
Me, as SOON as he mentioned that the MC still has his powers: Then the entire story is one big plot hole because he could have just shown everyone actual proof of what he said happened to him, but he only chooses to use his powers to kill everyone, ironically proving everyone who hates him entirely correct.
A certain character completely explains that plot hole and all plotholes relating the sword hero going evil.
Spoiler:
Hero of rebirth/return has went back in time hundreds of thousands of times in order to turn someone into a demon lord, which is the only way he can be killed (his power is returning by death, happy life impossible, old age will just reset him too). He concluded the best way was to orchestrate every part of the sword hero's life to be a living hell so he can hate the world enough to become one.
@Yurgaloo Why not just make friends who will let him die vs a Demon King? After so many loops, he should be able to convince people he knows how to help him out. Or even sabotage a final battle against a Demon king. Why would the existing convoluted plan be the only way?? Whe you have infinite lives and nearly infinite options you can solve any problem and it shouldn't just be one way.
@@Ryuksgelus Because there is no Demon King on Earth, thats the point. There was never a Demon king on earth, its the only universe without one, he is making the Sword Hero into a Demon King so he can finally die.
@@Ryuksgelus There is no demon king he can be killed by because there is none on Earth. They all belong to their own fantasy worlds where a hero is summoned from Earth to fight against it. The furthest point he can go back is right after he returned to Earth after defeating his own demon lord. He's tried to go ahead and create a demon lord countless times from the Warriors/Heroes, aiding in their creation to get there, but each time it's been killed by the Sword Warrior before they'd become one without fail. And he can't kill the Sword Warrior either, he's failed every single time. So the only possible way for him to die by a demon lord is by turning the Sword Warrior into one. The only other issue is how to make sure said Sword Warrior dies after his death as they only got one shot at that point, so currently he's training up the Spear Warrior to be strong enough to do so.
@@ZappoNinja Wait but then why can't he go back in time to before going back to Earth. This also implies he hasn't died against a Demon King at any point otherwise he'd have been dead for good, which makes no sense either because that makes them arbitrarily and stupidly powerful, because if Sword Guy alone can cause insane explosions, what could other Demon Kings do? And Earth is the only place without a Demon King? Why? That doesn't make sense at all. What makes Earth so special that it doesn't have that constant of most other worlds? HOW did he prevent Sword Guy from showing his powers? That's stupid, because if he can prevent someone else's powers from working or make people not believe him for no reason, why can't he deactivate his own powers and jump off a cliff or something?
I understand sometimes you have to sacrifice logic to get a plot working and overexplaining things can ruin a setting aswell, but you need to justify these kinds of plot twists extremely well otherwise you get a stupid plot hole that shouldn't exist and actively ruins the story
Just finished the first season. BIG FAT recommendation! The first few 20-30 chapters seem a bit mellow and generic, but after that point the series just keeps ramping up the quality and trumping itself. By the end of Chapter 84, which ends the first season, it felt almost like a completely different story compared to the beginning, in the best of ways! And all the hiccups and seeming plot-holes of the beginning are beautifully explained. Really. By the end, (almost) everything will make sense.
Sure, there are a few open questions and a few things that still seem a bit odd or rushed (like Iron Arm's backstory and, uh, "motivation"), but all that is offset by the fine points of the story. The Transformation Hero's arc, the old Faith Hero's arc, and the truth about the Return Hero, especially the latter, are some of the best bits of storytelling I've seen in recent memory. Go read it, it's amazing!
wow what type of shit you reading if the first 20-30 ch is mellow and generic, recommend me some bro
I just want to add if we were in the hero of return's position, no one would've done it any better
I really like this webtoon, and it reminds me of a Japanese animation called "Bokurano" that I saw about 20 years ago. I loved that animation, too. The characters all had a dark life, But I could see hope at the end. I hope that webtoon will have happy ending too, but well, Could Minsu have a happy ending?
I really loved this comic, it made me cry SO MANY TIMES. Spoilers
But even with the Resurrection Hero being the true big bad, it was very tragic what he had to go through. I think he has lived around 1000 years give or take. It is telling that he has gotten to the point where suicide is just so common for him to do to activate his skill.
No way it's just 1000 years lmao, even ignoring his first 10 loops where he lives around 80 (that's already 800 years), even if his average life each loop is just 6 months (ignoring the loops where he just became a NEET and him discovering how to create a demon king which would take years, when he got himself Sealed by Previous Religious Hero and when he tried to become a Cyborg), and we know his final loop was around 350k, 350k / 2 (1 year for 2 loops) = 175k years, that's how long he lived AT LEAST, not to mention he experienced death 350k times and the emotional torture of seeing his close friends die or get twisted or getting killed by him.
@Jericho Dheo Isubal You're right it was a low ball guess on my part.
Cry? Wtf? Weird people do weird stuff
@@viewer8734 it's called empathy, you loser.
@@viewer8734 idk man that new don quixote reveal was taking my emotional guts and stretching them out
Thanks for introducing me to this manhwa bro 🙏
4:23 Yeah, Imma stop you right there and read it myself...
there's dude who controlled the timeline and he's peak