Shop Tour Part 2: Dust Collection
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- In this second part of a longer series of shop tour videos, I go over the dust collection in the shop. The dust collector is a 5 hp Clear Vue Cyclone. It is in a sound cabinet in the corner of the shop behind the CNC router. The wall construction of the cabinet is 2 by 4 studs with sound board on the inside, ¾ inch plywood on the outside, and batt insulation in the middle. The cabinet consists of a space for the cyclone, the filters, and a 180 gallon dust bin. The dust bin is permanently attached and has to be shoveled out when emptied. There is a main 8 inch line running across the short wall of the shop into the cyclone. Off of this there are three 6 inch lines that drop into the floor and provide dust collection access points in the shop floor.
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It's also worth noting that while you "only" dropped the sound of the dust collection by 6-8dB, you've eliminated almost all of the high-frequency noise and are left with only the low-frequency hums, and it's those low frequencies that are the easiest to get used to and ignore, whereas high-frequency noise can be very grating after not very long. So there's value in that soundproofing beyond just decibels alone.
Am I the only one who thinks his voice is super relaxing and even a bit hypnotizing
Fuzzy Smasher partly why Frank has such a following. Comes across as a really nice guy. I bet he is.
No you're not the only one, when I cant settle cause the day has wound me up - I stick one of Franks old vids on. I'm not saying it's like watching snooker/cricket or anything like that don't get me wrong.
Frank is the Bob Ross of woodworking…
Darth Sagit you should check out Ishitani woodworking channel as well. It's very poetic and relaxing.
The first part reminds me of Bob Ross
the pile of sawdust in the collector bin looked so cool, i wish you would have made a glue coated board so you could push it against the pile and have sawdust art
Time to automate those blast gates!
or add some sort of mechanism. RV dump tank valves are very similar and high er end rigs have dump valves under it and a remote handle in sort of a control panel. Its all mechanical though they do make electric with a remote.
I love how you can easily see the succession of projects from the different layer colors in that dustbox.
All helpful info. Thanks for being so critical on yourself, tomorrow in ruffing in a couple lines in my slab for the shop. I will return my 6'' 90's and install 45's instead.
Another nice video, Frank. To my surprise I found you are in Oregon. I live in Beaverton and am primarily a wood turner but enjoy all your work. Also in my past life I was a mechanical engineer and used to design ductwork for HVAC systems in buildings, commercial and industrial. Too bad we didn't know each other and I could have assisted you with the ductwork design to avoid using those fittings that have such a high pressure drop. Still, your system is well thought out and appears to function well for you. Great that it is so quiet. You are fortunate indeed to have such as woodshop!
i'm a mechanical engineer, that designs HVAC systems, and the occasional duct collection system.
i'm VERY pleased that you talked about the fittings that work well, and work poorly. lots of do-it-yourself-ers build bad systems, then just throw lots of power at them.
I wish I had seen this two weeks ago. I have just put in a new dust collection system and I fell into all the traps .I have taken the 90 degree bends out and the system is operating at a good level for a 3hp unit. Thanks frank, I alway enjoy you videos .One of the best channels on youtube. Please keep it up .
Awesome Frank. Thank you for sharing with us!!!
Great job on the video. As a teenager I worked on a construction crew at a new airport. We had a architect use his eraser one day which meant a cutting blade and jack hammer for us. It was sewer system, same angles.
I appreciate you showing us all the dirty corners of your shop, because while it sometimes it looks a little cluttered, the shop never seems dirty while you do your awesome projects. And since everything you do seems to turn out fantastic it leaves some hope for the rest of us. :P
My thoughts exactly! Those cobwebs (spider webs? with "chips" and stuff stuck to them) give me hope because I get a lot of those around the garage-shoo ;)
The cabinet you built for the collector was very impressive!
Awesome dust collection Frank!!
frank, thanks for your hard work.
There are some great tips and lessons learned in here Frank, thanks for sharing!!
The production quality of these videos is awesome!
I love the big door knob! - That is an excellent, well thought out setup!
Thanks for the tour Frank!
A charming work in progress
Good advice, Frank! "Distance vs. Shapes of the pipes." makes this whole video worthwhile! You're a peach! ;)
Excellent Frank, thank you so much for sharing, did my shop recently and you’re so right about the bends 👍😄
Nicely done Frank! 👍👊
Frank, I love your metal walking clamp and the sound.
I always enjoy hearing your thoughts on a project as far as what work, what doesn't work and what you think could be done differently to make it better.
Thank you, Sir, for letting us in your shop and giving us an insight to your though process while building it. I have only been here for a little bit, but had no clue you were here in Oregon. I love your videos. The way you edit them is amazing. Keep on keepin' on
Shout out for Oregon!
Nice shop, Great Tools good point on the use of under floor utility trench!
Very good informative clear and humble video who bring knowelge first
I've always got the impression watching your videos that you were just a hobbiest. But with this dust system you are a serious hobbiest. It is very nice & quite ellaberat. 👍😊
A very useful video. Dust collection is not a small problem to tackle well.
Solid Information for those of us that want to upgrade from a shop-vac.
Thanks for the great video. Your advice is definitely going to come in handy.
just got the same Clear Vue (because of you) and will start building my cabinet too,
Really helpful Frank - thank you. I'm just getting started and have a small 1.5HP Jet dust collector I roll around between tools for now. I haven't figured out where the tools will end up so until I do, portable is the way to go. Thanks for the lessons learned!
Thanks for the information.
Impressive system for sawdust Frank 👍👍👍❣️
Damn, that's literally awesome!
Nice setup, dude.
Great presentation. Thank you.
Love this guy.
вы проделали титаническую работу !!! всё продумано и предусмотрено или же почти всё. отлично
Upgrading my dust collection to 3 hp from my first naive purchase a delta 1.5 hp and it sits outside in an adjacent building. Great points you shared after Murphy showed them to you. LOL.
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing this with us.
Really appreciate your videos. This one is very helpful as I am ordering an Oneida V3000 on Monday and am figuring out how to connect to all of the tools.
So much thought went into the workshop build and for the most part I think it paid off. (I like how you can run cabling to "new" machines as they are added around your workshop) Another advantage of metal ducting over plastic is there is less friction so more air will move through the metal pipe compared to the same diameter plastic pipe over the same period. Thanks and cheers, David.
Thanks Frank, I got some good ideas to improve my DC from this video.
Awesome video Frank! Like the new outdo by the way!
Yay wanted to know this for ages
great editing. humorous to watch. =)
That's what I was looking for haha, great work
Thanks for the trench tip!!
The 90 degree relaxed bends are called "sweeps" , they are commonly used for large electrical conduit where a tight 90 degree bend is impossible to feed large electrical cable through.
For more than you ever wanted to know about dust collection, check out Bill Pentz' site. Even has plans for fabricating your own fittings out of PVC pipe. Nice setup. Nice shop. Thanks for taking the time to post. Great videos.
Actually seems like a very good system Howard. Of course there are always things to tweak here and there.
Where I worked we would put a 55 gallon drum on a dolly and roll it under the dust collector and clamp it to the bottom of the dust collector . When it was full we would roll it out and roll an empty back under it . We used industrial sized Torit dust collectors !
Good video.
I’m addicted to your videos. It’s really getting out of hand.
Thanks for another peek into the shop workings, Frank.
The idea of trenches in the slab are a great idea, but the boxing up before the pour would cost a bit. The trenches would be a far better idea for maintainence, but additional runs of pipe (say, five buried at closer spacings instead of three) would probably be cheaper (up-front at least).
Plenty of idea food for my own shop build which always seems to be just over the horizon. :)
Men, you're a genius!
Frank, here in Europe you are not allowed to use PVC pipes for dust collection. You must use metal piping which is grounded/earthed to dismiss any static electricity, The flexible hoses also have to have an integral metal spiral which must be connected to ground. Static electricity, sparks and sawdust could make an awful explosion! By the way, thanks for informative and interesting videos!
Sidehop thank goodness for the static electricity police
Morons don't believe in static electricity...
Apparently you haven't done much work or you would have had it shock if you would have grabbed say a hose to vac the floor.
Can you name one example of a shop explosion from a sawdust collection system?
6-7dB is over half. Great job on all of it!
Great info! thanks ! 👍👍👍👍
Nice tour Frank. Weird that the machines furthest away have the best dust collection whereas the machine right next to the Cyclone has the worst. Never would have guessed that.
I have that same cyclone, I ran a hose from my clean out below my filters to the outside, when I have that open I get twice as much air flow as when using filters only. It really helps air flow..
Well, yes your sound proving the cyclone is nice, however, the 5 HP motor will overheat on an extended run like when you are using the lathe.
The part that many people do not understand is that the dust bin needs to be sealed tight any small draft back into the cyclone diminish the efficiency of the machine and clog the filters.
To prevent many of that problem I installed my Tempest cyclone, also with a 5hp motor outside the shop.
Overall you did an outstanding job.
I had no idea you were located in Oregon. I'm a fellow Oregonian. Glad to call you neighbor.
Frank, a Sanitary Tee would work, but the graphic you showed in the video is called a Combo. Combo's are good because they kind of put two fittings in one: a San Tee, and an additional 45.
Frank, electrical sweeps are available in pvc , a 6" sweep has a radius of about 24". The connectors are the same as standard sewer pipe. They are readily available in the east coast at most electrical suppliers. These are the only connections I use for wiring conduits, they also work well for dust collection. Paul
I dont know if you saw my comment on your shop tour video last week... I really appreciate this dust collection video regardless! Thank you for the continued great content!
Solid workshop! Need a powerful struzhkootsosy.
That really sucks Frank! In a dust removal way of course.. 😉
Wow, the strata of dust and stuff is so pretty! Compared with the PVC pipe, metal piping probably less static buildup, another plus for the metal piping.
Another great your video Frank. An idea for the next one- would you do a video tour on all the unused/antique bits of machinery and tools you have laying around your shop.
It's like an Easter egg hunt, every angle of shot on your videos always has a hidden gem hiding in plain sight , would love to hear the stories behind them.
I have read that those plastic white pipes for dust collection create more drag and static due to the saw dust roughing up the inside walls. If you replace the bends with metal pipe that might help. Air can make the turn; it's the dust that drops out and eats plastic. I have a cyclone with 10" wire-flex translucent going 14" down to an air tight 55 gal drum with those HD 55 gal black plastic bags (Uline source) that I string tie off and pull when full, out of the 55 gal drum. I put a 1.5" dia plastic pipe vertical with holes at the bottom end and top(between the bag and drum wall) to make the air pocket at the bottom-bag against drum release the bag. Chicago, my roost for the last 25 years, has good sheet metal sources. If the 55 gal drum fills too fast for you, make an insert of sheet metal to fill the voids in the corners of your wood dust box and let the dust fall into a custom sheet metal box with a 3/4" ply flat bottom with multiple casters and roll the full box out and put in another empty box. Then if you have flat plastic liners for the dust box you can tie off the bag of dust and never get that much in the shop. This will reduce dust in the shop and keep the evil dust out of your lungs and clothes. I believe you are close to a quick dust removal approach with a container with plastic liner that can be tied off and dragged away. A simple approach with the bag is quick and low cost. You may be able to get almost 80 gallons of dust from that wood structure your cyclone sits on. Good luck
Eres un fenomeno muy curioso y bien echo como todo lo que haces te quedo muy bien enorabuena
Thanks for the video.
Going to copy your waste bin method liked it a lot. I am sick and tired of wastebags that are full all the time. I have a woodchip furnace in my home, so now when the boks (that will be 3x bigger than the bags) is full i wil suck it out and in to my towing trailer :)
Thanks again
TR
Next step: electro-mechanical open/close pipes working directly with the machines...
If you make some register covers or baffles in the air outlet, out of fiber board for hvac ductwork it really quiets air noise in the returns on houses
The tiny bandsaw at 10:52, does it have a make or model tag on it? Thank you!
everything I know: vintagemachinery.org/photoindex/detail.aspx?id=5223
Thanks Frank! I am restoring one of these currently and identifying the make was driving me nuts.
That is his personal fingernail trimming tool he bought from Japan. First concession he has made to modern tools in many years.
Did I hear you say the tee was expensive and that was holding you back? What is this Oregon" in which you live? First you have to pump your own gas and now PVC fittings are too expensive? Ha Great video Frank. Everybody loves a good shop tour! We're weird woodworking voyeurs!
Thanks, most everything else about Oregon is awesome.
I'm thinking a custom handle on a long stick for those hand held vacuum hoses is in your future. Nice system. Think, build, use, rethink, improve is always the way to go.
Rockler makes a nice plastic handle and a variety of attachments for it for people who cbf making something, or just want it right now.
Yes
6db = 4x reduction, so that's quite nice :)
1:52 Nice saw dust stratification! :P
Hey frank, I was the one who commented to do a tour of your dust collection on the image you uploaded asking for suggestions. Maybe other people suggested too, I don’t know. This was a cool tour, I don’t know why I find dust collection so interesting. I guess I’m weird 😛
It’s interesting how you would do it all differently now. My favourite part was when you opened up the door containing all the wood shavings and it looked like a layered any colony, or a slice of sea bed. All the different types of wood in layers looked so cool. I don’t know if this is possible but if sometime you should try and capture a slice of it and frame it. Thanks for the tour 🙂
I think you should have a family project painting the walls of your shop a gloss white it should make it so much brighter in there
Have you thought about any special projects for the sawdust since you have so many different colors and textures in there? Maybe Peter Brown can use it in a Dip-It episode? There are people who have posted recipes and how-to's for making burnable logs out of the saw dust (many manufacturers who make fake logs get their material from furniture factories and lumber yards), I'm sure Mathias Wandel could use some of those logs this time of year in Canada :D
Yes I have been trying to figure out a way to freeze that saw dust pattern and do something with it.
6:13 " i was thiking i should go" *stomach gurgling saying hi*
Good microphone you got there... :D
Add a ply "bucket" inside the sealed dust collection cupboard gives best of both worlds, cupboard easy to seal and bucket easy to empty. Sorry if already said in comments, didn't check.
Also, my cyclone has a vacuum gage and clear vinyl 1/4" dia hose connected to the cyclone plenum and when the dust in the collection barrel gets high, the vac gage begins to read higher numbers: it's time to remove the dust. You can buy a larger face vac gage and see it from almost any location in the shop. Oneida has been approached by customers about the static in their smaller Deputy systems and they have replaced my translucent cyclone atop the Festool vac with a black antistatic model: take this as a hint of the potential that static brings. Once your ungrounded system explodes, you have no one else to blame. It is the same damaging explosions we see in grain elevators.
I'm always jealous of your tool collection! Can you make a video about all your shop tools; how you got them and if you'd recommend them?
There are many experts on airflow and ducting in the HVAC (heating, ventilation and air conditioning) fields who will tell you that the major losses of air flow speeds are large diameter pipes, corrugated pipes, long pipe runs and bends. Your last few meters of pipe are the major problem for your suction and the plugging of your pipes are likely due to the large diameter / slow airspeed pipes. You could use smooth walled pipes much closer to the dust pickup ends and improve your system a lot.
I have a similar issue with my bandsaw, drill press and jointer. I stepped my main line down at a branch to fit a large shop vac hose. I have a bunch of older solid walled hose extension/wands and a large floor sweep type end. Keeps me from having to bend down.
I love this idea although I would put the clean out on the outside of the building because my shop is a detached building away from the house. But I thank you for the video.
Thanks Frank, FYI, 6 dB of change is considered half as loud. Isolating sound is all about the seal and mass. I imagine the greatest source of noise is coming from your air outlet.
I have a suggestion: put duct booster fans on ports that have weak airflow.
Hi, i think you need an airlock under the outlet of the cyclone, so the dust would come out, but the system stays air tied, and then i guess you can easily put a bin under the airlock, goodluck😊
Awesome
You should do what Bob did on I Like To Make Stuff where he automatied the blast gates with an arduino. It would solve your planer and table saw woes.
Why don't you just put a trash can inside the airtight dustbin? even if it didnt catch all the dust, it would make emptying it out a lot easier.
My thought exactly. The box is already sealed, so how is the cyclone going to know you sneaked a big trash can inside the box? You could even make a canvas chute attached below the cyclone that would funnel most of the dust into the can.