@Morten Høgsberg It is not fair to compare by number of years. In the old times, it was just too difficult to find or afford textbooks that people used to think that prime age for Go was 40s. There was a huge barrier, which is why Japan was able to lead. The next generations eventually gained more accessibility. Prime Lee Chang Ho is immeasurable. He was already using AI opening, and most of his best moves could not be found first generations of AI. He left many highest quality god's moves, helped Go society to realize that the prime age is 18 to 23.
@@beasthundred4709 Lee Changho benefited from being in the last generation before the internet exploded. It is true that internet go existed and was widespread the last six or seven years of his number one status, but artificial intelligence had not yet been invented that could help us improve. It's interesting that we look at go sagan in a similar manner, but it's impossible to compare the two masters. Seigan benefited as you said from most of the knowledge being centralized in the professional ranks and official schools in Japan. However, it is also true that he gave one stone handicaps most of the time to all of his major rivals who had ELO scores in the 32-3300s. It is also true that go would win 70- 80% of those games, this indicating that his ELO score was easily over 3500. considering all the advantages he did not have such as artificial intelligence or the internet, this is astounding.
There is less international games and less titles to fight for back in the days. Also back in the days there are less rewards and sponsors, hence less players base. And Lee chang ho would lose against two shin (shin jinseo and shin minjun) even in their prime days.
The record may probably be wrong as I remember Shin is not always No.1 since 2018, and also Lee Sedol is No.4 when alphago appeared. It's likely a curve so please don't trust the video
modern version of go is Japanese variant of Go, also been an originator of the Game doesn't mean you have to be good at it. Chess is an Indian game but now it's dominated by a Norwegian man lol
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Here's a new version(fixed the mistake of Shin Jinseo's photo and expanded time range):
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it should be alphago number one
내 기억엔 초등학교 입학하고 대학갈떄까지 바둑뉴스는 이창호 이름 밖에 안나옴....... ㄷㄷㄷ
Nobody's ever going to beat Lee Chang ho . His record of being on top for 15 years is dang near unbreakable.
沒有人可以達成大李的成就，前無古人可能也後無來者。不過卻存在著少數棋風專剋大李的棋士，比如老虎 依田紀基。
@Morten Høgsberg It is not fair to compare by number of years. In the old times, it was just too difficult to find or afford textbooks that people used to think that prime age for Go was 40s. There was a huge barrier, which is why Japan was able to lead. The next generations eventually gained more accessibility. Prime Lee Chang Ho is immeasurable. He was already using AI opening, and most of his best moves could not be found first generations of AI. He left many highest quality god's moves, helped Go society to realize that the prime age is 18 to 23.
especially because there is ai, which means the younger players will have a much larger chance of beating the older ones.
@@beasthundred4709 Lee Changho benefited from being in the last generation before the internet exploded. It is true that internet go existed and was widespread the last six or seven years of his number one status, but artificial intelligence had not yet been invented that could help us improve.
It's interesting that we look at go sagan in a similar manner, but it's impossible to compare the two masters. Seigan benefited as you said from most of the knowledge being centralized in the professional ranks and official schools in Japan.
However, it is also true that he gave one stone handicaps most of the time to all of his major rivals who had ELO scores in the 32-3300s. It is also true that go would win 70- 80% of those games, this indicating that his ELO score was easily over 3500. considering all the advantages he did not have such as artificial intelligence or the internet, this is astounding.
There is less international games and less titles to fight for back in the days. Also back in the days there are less rewards and sponsors, hence less players base.
And Lee chang ho would lose against two shin (shin jinseo and shin minjun) even in their prime days.
Dynamic & Fresh graph motion!
And Shin Jinseo like
Hello, guys, whats going on here?
Cho Chikun's real name is Cho Chihun. He is Korean.
Because his Affiliation is Nihon Ki-in, so he represent japan
Cho Chikun is korean living in Japan
In Go's world, we follow club instead of nationality
Shin‘s picture is Park Junghwan🤣
Sorry, that's a big mistake
@@2y2fdata62 haha two park XD
小申頭像咋變朴總了？？？
it should be alphago number one
Shin's photo is wrong.
He is Park.
진서구단 사진 박정환인디
imagine being 20 ish and you are the best at one of the most sophisticated games in human history...
이창호 = 신
shin jinseo's photo is wrong
Lol yeh its just park with different hair style 😂
50년동안.....커제한놈만 1등한게 유일한거냐 ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 역시 뭘해도 안되는종족이네
The record may probably be wrong as I remember Shin is not always No.1 since 2018, and also Lee Sedol is No.4 when alphago appeared. It's likely a curve so please don't trust the video
That is based on gorating data, not individual opinion.
照片錯了吧
last man is not shin.
4:13 wtf am I watching
진서 사진 바꿔
Lmao, China still can't get the fullest grip over Korea for a game they've invented centuries ago despite having nearly 30x their population
modern version of go is Japanese variant of Go, also been an originator of the Game doesn't mean you have to be good at it. Chess is an Indian game but now it's dominated by a Norwegian man lol
@@HH-jk8hi true
Pictures not correct