Mondragon 1894 Bolt Action Straight-Pull Rifles
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Manuel Mondragon was a talented lifelong gun designer born in Mexico. He worked extensively at the Swiss SIG factory, and was the man behind the first military-issue semiautomatic rifle. Before that, though, he designed this series of unique straight-pull bolt action rifles that featured a 3-position safety and "automatic" setting.
Today I'm taking a look at 4 examples of these 1894 rifles, which allow us to see the two major variations in them. They differ in caliber, sight configuration, bolt design, and more...
Thank you, Gun Jesus. Happy New Year.
Gun Jesus xD omg
for any fallout fans out there, there's a rifle availabe in fallout 4's creation club called the "manwell rifle" (ie manuel) as a tribute to manuel mondragon.
I just love what you do Ian! As a european in a nation with very strict fire-arm laws it is extremely interesting to see you talk about and "review" these almost mystical weapons!
"Automatic" or marching fire mode would be pretty effective on the defense, especially from a fortified position. Brace it on some sandbags, switch the rifle to the left hand, aim as best as you can if you aren't a natural Southpaw, then use your right to fire.
Thanks Ian and a very healthy and happy new year, keep up the good work man!..
Ian! You've gotta do an episode on the Ortgies/Deutsche Werke Erfurt series pistols, awesome little turn of the century semi-automatics that are criminally underrepresented.
Happy New Year, Gun Jesus!
A very Interesting example, magnificent video, Its a very Interesting rifle
Too bad my country didn't continue making firearms.
+BorrokaTV Im referring to Mexico.
+BorrokaTV Yeah but he learnt his expertise from the swiss (who also made the guns).
There were several Mexican arms making firms up until the 70's when the draconian new gun laws were passed. Classic Firearms is selling new Mexican made .22lr pistols of 1911 pattern.
And Mexico made HK pattern firearms under license for years. Mexico now makes it's own proprietary assault rifle. Its a mix of several different designs but takes STANAG magazines.
toby Hogan But he designed the guns.
The slam fire seems cool as heck
Great show as allways:)
would love to se those rifles fired in "automatic".
+watched your torture of the ak, very interesting as well. it would be very nice if u could do a Sand test allongside the mudtest.
Keep up the Great work:)
Marching fire. Wish all bolt guns had this feature. Would be epic.
Good translation...I like your videos
Surly this design was way ahead of its time, a straight movement rotating bolt seems more like something that appears around WW2. I could be wrong though it has been known
5x68mm. That mus have been a really fast bullet!
Happy New Year
The two different cartridges sounds interesting do you have any specs.
They sound like interesting intermediate cartridges and very early investigated.
Con mucho gusto mi amigo!
very nice vid. i would have liked to see how the last bit of travel tripped the sear though. seems like something you wouldve shown us in detail :P or did i miss it maybe?
For a split second I though the title said "1849" and was like, WTF?
At this point though I would be totally astonished if you found a flintlock revolver from 1750.
+polymath7 th-cam.com/video/dhRoaISinwA/w-d-xo.html
Forgotten Weapons I'll be damned...
Now find me a bolt action matchlock derringer.
It's not forgotten anymore. The Saga of Yanya the evil came out
With the slam fire option some kind of bolt safety seems necessary. The model A invited accidental discharge in marching fire mode.
The '2A' has the same rear sight as the Swiss Model 1893 Carbine.
+Seamus Makes sense, given that they were being made at the same time and place.
interesting rifles, would be great to see a firing demo of the "marching fire" feature.
While it would be very nice to see these rifles shoot again, if you were to research the ammo used by the 2A and 2B models, you'd see that the 5.2x68 and 6.3x68 (Ian has a slip of the tongue, and calls it 6.3x58 in the video) cartridges were of a highly experimental and rather complex design. All the old cartridges have long since had their powders decay into uselessness, with virtually no chance of any manufacturers willing to make a modern run of these ammunition types. There is plenty of evidence that the Model 1 rifles were chambered for a more normal 6.5x48 and 6.5x53 cartridge designs, but Ian hasn't ever gotten ahold of one yet.
+ostiariusalpha I'm fairly certain if you had some original rounds someone would be able to copy it. I'll bet it's really expensive though. I have seen ads in magazines which say they make any kind or size of ammo but then you start getting into if it's really worth it shooting a collectors rifle. That might lower it's value.
Proud to have that name!!
I wonder if it would've caught on had they played around with the placement of the bolt handle. Happy New Year, by the way.
Id definitely sell a kidney for one of these
That "Marching fire" setting seems so unsafe. Paintguns in the early 90s had a feature like that- A pump would fire the gun without pulling the trigger (called "Locking Autotrigger"), but was phased out due to too many accidents.
Mondragon is a very cool name!
Seems like designing it for "marching fire" (no different from the slam fire possible with the contemporary Winchester 1897 shotgun) would also entail designing a larger, double stack clip and magazine (say, 10 or 12 rounds) to use this feature properly.
This will pair nicely with a Winchester 97
God I fucking love your videos
The 5.8x62mm round looks... weird.
Happy new year.
I would like to ask a question, but realize it could be a total tedious wormhole of an answer now that I think about it. If these Mondragons were the first semi-auto to be used by a significant military, what was the first semi-auto used/issued as a 'run' or 'batch' by a non-major military? I'm guessing that this question would have to include militarized factions and groups though, so it may be impossible to answer.
+Spearfisher1970 The Danish coast guard adopted a run of about 50 self-loading Madsen-Rasmussen rifles in 1896. That's the earliest one I'm aware of.
+Forgotten Weapons Thank you, and thank you for all you do with this channel and the In Range one (I really like the historic-weapon 2-gun challenge face-offs and discussions of the pros/cons). After your answer I found your page on them: www.forgottenweapons.com/early-semiauto-rifles/madsen-rasmussen-18881896/
What stops the bolt from rotating prior to entering the breach?
Happy new year, Ian.
Please tell us again, when is the Gun Jesus's birthday so we can share gifts again?
thanks for the great video Ian but I have one question. will you be firing any of these rifles in a later video.p.s. keep up the good work
+Tama Hawkins No, I have yet have a chance to shoot one of these. Even if I find an owner willing to shoot one, the ammunition is very difficult to get and not easily replicated..
Forgotten Weapons that is a shame.thanks for replying and happy new year to you
+Tama Hawkins To illustrate Ian's point, here is what the ammo looks like.
cartridgecollectors.org/cmo/cmo07jul.htm
Paul Lim thanks that does look like a rare round of ammunition
+Paul Lim That looks silly
Nice vid Ian. Speaking of Mexican stuff, is there any chance of you getting a look at a Mendoza LMG at some point? That would be an interesting video.
+Harold Weaver Smith I would like to, but they are very rare in the US. If I can find one, I will. In the meantime, I do have some photos of one disassembled on ForgottenWeapons.com .
Did these offer any real advantage over the bog standard Mauser or SMLE?
Certainly a lot easier disassembly for a Straight pull bolt than the Styer M95.
I can't recall seeing an simpler and easier to disassemble rifle bolt. That would be quit nice from a maintenance standpoint. Do you know why these were never adopted?
Would it be totally cost prohibitive for a modern firearms manufacturer like Remington, savage, or tikka to manufacture a straight pull rifle? My K31is great, but I would love to have a straight-pull in a modern caliber that could accommodate a scope and modern accessories.
I would love to try that marching fire but I fell like the blot would blow back and break off and hit me in my stomach.
i am a little bit confused. i thought france was the first nation that adopted a semi-auto-rifle.
+no name available No, Mexico was 5+ years ahead of them.
Forgotten Weapons ok. thx ian.
I heard that, but did NOT demonstrate it. Did not explain the settings, markings, etc..
+Robert Thomas th-cam.com/video/vnXecn1tqGI/w-d-xo.html
Is there a reason why the wooden stocks on bolt action rifles extend almost all the way to the end of the barrel? Is it simply stylistic?
i would guess its because there battle rifles ie youre gonna use them for hand to hand ,bayonet combat the woods there to add strength to the barrel so it dont get broken in 1st attack
+Rusty lungzs
And it simply looks a lot nicer (IMHO) which in the age of military parades isn't completely unimportant
+wooden nickel One often overlooked factor is that the barrels of bolt action magazine rifles get very hot, when used for multiple shots in a short space of time. Wooden fore end furniture prevented the soldier from burning himself, and reduced "mirage", the distortion of the sight picture caused by heat haze rising off the hot barrel.
That would be "Shooting School of the Cavalry".
Could the marching fire function be replicated on a modern production firearm without angering the ATF?
"Not quite ready for prime time"
LOL
In what other ways has Mondragon added to the history of firearms?
Didnt you do a video on one of these at Rock Island?
+patrick crosley Yes.
+Forgotten Weapons I knew I'd seen one of these before!
a Zastava M70A and M70B are pretty different too.
Could it be that these rifles were somewhat inspirational for the K11?
+phileas007 I doubt it - the Swiss adopted the 1889 straight pull well before these were made.
Is it just me or do I see a resemblance to the early Swiss straight pulls ?
Not surprising, since these were also made by SIG...
not intended for marching fire its intended for volley fire
What happened to the old into Ian? I really enjoyed it haha
Only about a couple hundred ever made and you have four of them on the table in front of you. About 2%, 1 in 50, of all that ever existed, assuming a decent number survive to the present day.
An "automatic" bolt action, gun grabber's heads assplode. XDDDD
You never explained the selector.
+Robert Thomas At the beginning
+Robert Thomas I go through it in more detail in this video: th-cam.com/video/vnXecn1tqGI/w-d-xo.html
2-B or not 2-B....
E= ejercito=Army maybe
I just wet myself.