Goto your local Auto-Parts store, get some Lucas Oil Treatment, add it to the oil, I use it in the gearbox oil and on the side gears on my Clausing, made the machine WAY way quieter!!! Makes the oil more "Sticky" and it grips and hangs on the gears longer - you wont believe the difference between that and regular oil with no Lucas in it
@@WinkysWorkshop STP was OK, it made it thicker not not stickier like Lucas does, I'm telling you - you wont believe how quiet it made my noisy-assed worn out 1967 Clausing 13x36
@@WinkysWorkshop You know Mark I wonder what would happen if you did sprinkle some fine sawdust from some soft wood. Sounds kinda crazy but the worst that could happen is you would have a big mess to clean up.
Maybe in the future you could build a cam actuator for the pump and eliminate the manual operation. In my opinion, lubrication is always an added benefit to just about any machine. You get two "atta boys".
Your solutions to problems and resultant custom devices are a wonder to behold Winky. I wonder how the oil quietens the rattle down. The heavy weight oil probably means its cushioning the slack between cogs. That probably means that the cogs are relatively loose to reduce friction while sliding past each other. Also perhaps, meshing is deliberately loose to overcome any profile deficiencies to keep gear machining cost down. I know, too much detail and probably wrong, but fun to consider!
Wow, thanks! Most the gears are not adjustable but yes, the oil takes up the imperfect transitions between the teeth and warn gears make the transition worse. These years are 14.5 pressure angle. From what I hear the higher angles like 20 are more quiet but not as strong. Of course helical is the best answer.
Mark another excellent project both in design and craftsmanship. Just thinking out loud, it would be interesting to see what kind of noise comparison you would have with something like spindle oil. As the gears mesh together the compression is what creates the noise. With the thicker viscosity oil does the compression increase and noise level increase? Or just the opposite with something like spindle oil. Surly it would be easier to pump. Again, just thinking out loud. Your ideas and execution are always Top Shelf. Thanks for taking your time for all of us here.
Thanks! Well, I think the thicker oil pumps easier (its intended for grease) but for sure the thicker oil makes it more quiet. My video didn't highlight the change very good. I should have had a fixed mic position, moving around effected the perceived change.
As always, your creativity and ingenuity are cool. People like me have less vision. I’d likely would have bought an oil pump or something. Great video, thank you!
Thanks. The grease gun is still acting weird but it works. I was hoping one or two strokes on the lever would do it but it takes 4 or 5. Still quick and easy though.
Perhaps a good future project would be to get a set of gear cutters suitable for that pitch and cut a new set of gears on the mill with a dividing head.
I've done that twice with terrible results. I'm not sure what happened but I think the cutter was made wrong or marked wrong. They looked great but were louder than the current gears. I was thinking about gear hobbing.
Interesting bit of engineering going on there. There is another product that I tried that was recommended by another youtuber called Motor Honey that worked pretty good. Thank you for the video.
You might try chainsaw chain oil. Similar to STP, but it's typically not as viscous. However, it's typically made with tackifiers that make the oil really cling to the moving parts it's on. Now that I think about it, perhaps you could adapt a chainsaw auto oiler pump to drive from the lathe
Great minds think alike. I looked for a chain saw oiler before buying the grease gun and could not find one... in hindsight I should have gone to the local lawnmower/chain saw shop to see if they had a dead saw with an oiler. At the very least they may have provided me with a part number. Also, I tried Chain saw bar oil. It worked well but the 600w worked a little better. Have not tied STP or Lucas oil.
Great job, beautiful workmanship. only comment I would make, (have many years experience with cantankerous grease guns) I would have tried to have the pump submerged. Good luck and thanks for sharing
Thanks, it is mostly submerged although the back of the plunger is not. Its amazing to me that nobody is making a really good grease gun. Everyone of them I have tied has been trouble! It works okay but I have to pump it about 6 times when 1 or 2 should be adequate.
The problem is, the gears run too fast and vary in speed. Plus I don' trust the pump to handle continuous use. A continuous low volume pump would be nice.
Hello Mark, Great build, thanks for sharing... I was thinking maybe a future enhancement would be some sort of cam powered for the motor that moved the pump handle... Take care. Paul,,
That’s a clever design. I wonder if having an electric pump that turns on when you turn on your lathe might be best. Then you don’t have to worry about it and it stays quiet.
Great idea! I think the “air” is due the fact that grease guns typically have a spring that force feeds the pump the grease and the high viscosity of grease doesn’t force the grease past the threads on the barrel. I think you are drawing in air around your barrel thread (at least above the fluid level) essentially losing prime to some extent. You might try your pipe dope between the the barrel threads and your steel slug.
It probably wasn't visible in the video but the top of the gun has a rubber gasket so I doubt it is sucking air round the threads. I do agree about the spring pushing grease.
I am trying to remember the oil test display that used to be on the counters of auto parts stores. It had a hand crank and 3 gears behind a lexan view port. have you tried that oil?
Winky, it's a Friday night, uh ...actually early Saturday morning. Lets call it nearly 1 AM. The Twilight Zone will be rapping up and Alfred Hitchcock will be coming on. My daughter lives only 7 miles away but I haven't seen her in months. Sounds depressing? Well, it isn't. I multi-tasked and watched your latest video! Thanks!
@@WinkysWorkshop That comment got posted before I had a chance to edit it. I really meant to tell you how enjoyable your video is. You keep that old girl looking beautiful! It was manufactured in a better time. Wakodahatchee Chris
I wish you were right. The video didn't show it but there is a rubber gasket in the head of the grease gun. I'm thinking I might need a check valve at the oil pickup.
I would experiment with hypoid gear oils, say 90 wt. The oil you are using looks a bit thin. Also think about putting a drain plug in the bottom and a magnet. Keep us updated on your progress.
Great idea? Do you still put some oil on the wheel axles or does it splash enough to take care of that? My clock repair background snuck through. We call gears "wheels."
Hello Dave , thats a very good question. I suspect the axles will get plenty of oil but a lighter oil is probably more suitable for axles. Heck, I think it will be fine.
If you want total quiet, throw all the gears in the garbage and do a Clough42 Electronic Lead Screw installation. Makes easy one button threading both imperial and metric. Brings your lathe into the 21st century!
Aside from one gear the positions are all fixed. The clearance looks about right. I think the gears are worn and that a couple have bent teeth. I can't see then but judging by the sound I'd say there are several slightly bent.
That would be easier. I had some on my Logan 200 with change gears and it was nasty stuff... not sure if it was made by Mac however. Is it similar to black tar?
@@WinkysWorkshop it’s kind of a brown spray. I like it because it lasts a long time and really quieted down the gear train and it’s made for open gears. Yes, it’s messy to clean up but so is heavy oil
Goto your local Auto-Parts store, get some Lucas Oil Treatment, add it to the oil, I use it in the gearbox oil and on the side gears on my Clausing, made the machine WAY way quieter!!! Makes the oil more "Sticky" and it grips and hangs on the gears longer - you wont believe the difference between that and regular oil with no Lucas in it
I've heard the same about STP but I might try the Lucas. I also tried Chainsaw bar oil but the 600w I'm using worked a little better.
@@WinkysWorkshop STP was OK, it made it thicker not not stickier like Lucas does, I'm telling you - you wont believe how quiet it made my noisy-assed worn out 1967 Clausing 13x36
@@Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes I suspect they are similar but I'll try the Lucas.
I just use Way Oil
@@cpcoark I tried that. It works but not so good on worn out gears
There's no doubt about it, if you've a problem you fix it. Good Job.
Thank you!
That's a very good idea. And the filter and the magnet makes it even better.
Thanks, I need to get some screen and get the filter installed before I forget about it.
Noisy gears remind me of stories about ol' timey used car dealers putting sawdust in the gearboxes to quiet them down for a 100 miles or so 😆
And banana peels into the differentials!
Seem like i heard that one too.
Heard that one from my grandfather.
@@WinkysWorkshop You know Mark I wonder what would happen if you did sprinkle some fine sawdust from some soft wood. Sounds kinda crazy but the worst that could happen is you would have a big mess to clean up.
@@andyZ3500s I'd say it would work but I dont think I'll try it. Too hard to clean up
Maybe in the future you could build a cam actuator for the pump and eliminate the manual operation. In my opinion, lubrication is always an added benefit to just about any machine. You get two "atta boys".
Ha... thank! Yeah... If I want to drive a pump I need to tap into power that doesn't change speeds. Not sure where
Definitely one of the most clever things i've seen in quite a while
Thanks.
Great build. This would have many applications.
Jere
I agree although I think a better grease gun might work better
Your solutions to problems and resultant custom devices are a wonder to behold Winky.
I wonder how the oil quietens the rattle down. The heavy weight oil probably means its cushioning the slack between cogs. That probably means that the cogs are relatively loose to reduce friction while sliding past each other. Also perhaps, meshing is deliberately loose to overcome any profile deficiencies to keep gear machining cost down. I know, too much detail and probably wrong, but fun to consider!
Wow, thanks! Most the gears are not adjustable but yes, the oil takes up the imperfect transitions between the teeth and warn gears make the transition worse. These years are 14.5 pressure angle. From what I hear the higher angles like 20 are more quiet but not as strong. Of course helical is the best answer.
Mark another excellent project both in design and craftsmanship. Just thinking out loud, it would be interesting to see what kind of noise comparison you would have with something like spindle oil. As the gears mesh together the compression is what creates the noise. With the thicker viscosity oil does the compression increase and noise level increase? Or just the opposite with something like spindle oil. Surly it would be easier to pump. Again, just thinking out loud. Your ideas and execution are always Top Shelf. Thanks for taking your time for all of us here.
Thanks! Well, I think the thicker oil pumps easier (its intended for grease) but for sure the thicker oil makes it more quiet. My video didn't highlight the change very good. I should have had a fixed mic position, moving around effected the perceived change.
As always, your creativity and ingenuity are cool. People like me have less vision. I’d likely would have bought an oil pump or something. Great video, thank you!
An oil pump powered off the lathe would be very cool. Thanks
Works great Mark, Well done. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks Randy!
Always coming up with great ideas... Good one Mark !
Thanks you sir!
I also like it. Nice design.
Very well done.
Dave.
Thanks Dave
Awesome idea, years ago in the machine shop at the mill I worked it, they would use STP for their gear cases in the machine shop.
I plan on trying that and Lucas oil, Thanks
Very nicely done!
Thank you very much!
Great video , very innovative
Thanks. The grease gun is still acting weird but it works. I was hoping one or two strokes on the lever would do it but it takes 4 or 5. Still quick and easy though.
Nice! Pretty ingenious ingenuity.
Thanks!
Good lubrication,Mark.Thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great idea Mark!
Thanks John!
I used to have a S.B. Lathe just like yours, My Father bought it in 1960. I'm still kicking myself for getting rid of it!
It's a nice but I wish it had less wear.
Perhaps a good future project would be to get a set of gear cutters suitable for that pitch and cut a new set of gears on the mill with a dividing head.
I've done that twice with terrible results. I'm not sure what happened but I think the cutter was made wrong or marked wrong. They looked great but were louder than the current gears. I was thinking about gear hobbing.
Pretty nice! Good job👍
Thanks!
Great project, Thanks for
Thanks for watching!
Interesting bit of engineering going on there. There is another product that I tried that was recommended by another youtuber called Motor Honey that worked pretty good. Thank you for the video.
I've heard of that oil. So far I think Lucas is the most recommended.
You might try chainsaw chain oil. Similar to STP, but it's typically not as viscous. However, it's typically made with tackifiers that make the oil really cling to the moving parts it's on.
Now that I think about it, perhaps you could adapt a chainsaw auto oiler pump to drive from the lathe
Great minds think alike. I looked for a chain saw oiler before buying the grease gun and could not find one... in hindsight I should have gone to the local lawnmower/chain saw shop to see if they had a dead saw with an oiler. At the very least they may have provided me with a part number. Also, I tried Chain saw bar oil. It worked well but the 600w worked a little better. Have not tied STP or Lucas oil.
Great job, beautiful workmanship. only comment I would make, (have many years experience with cantankerous grease guns) I would have tried to have the pump submerged. Good luck and thanks for sharing
Thanks, it is mostly submerged although the back of the plunger is not. Its amazing to me that nobody is making a really good grease gun. Everyone of them I have tied has been trouble! It works okay but I have to pump it about 6 times when 1 or 2 should be adequate.
Good job Winky, consider a cam setup with a roller to pump the handle whenever the spindle is running. Should make another great video. Cheers!
The problem is, the gears run too fast and vary in speed. Plus I don' trust the pump to handle continuous use. A continuous low volume pump would be nice.
@@WinkysWorkshop I suppose you are right about the speed and durability of the pump. Just a thought.
@@rayp.454 A good thought... I'd love to have a full time pump.
Very smart thinking thanks.
Very welcome
Hello Mark,
Great build, thanks for sharing... I was thinking maybe a future enhancement would be some sort of cam powered for the motor that moved the pump handle...
Take care.
Paul,,
I was thinking the same but couldn't figure out how to make it happen. It wouldn't need much flow. Also, I'd get a different pump.
Now that's one heck of an idea, wish I thought of that. May do something like that to my sb9
Thanks! It seems to work well although the pump could be better.
Good idea Winky.
Thanks!
That’s a clever design. I wonder if having an electric pump that turns on when you turn on your lathe might be best. Then you don’t have to worry about it and it stays quiet.
I agree, it would be better
Great idea!
I think the “air” is due the fact that grease guns typically have a spring that force feeds the pump the grease and the high viscosity of grease doesn’t force the grease past the threads on the barrel. I think you are drawing in air around your barrel thread (at least above the fluid level) essentially losing prime to some extent. You might try your pipe dope between the the barrel threads and your steel slug.
It probably wasn't visible in the video but the top of the gun has a rubber gasket so I doubt it is sucking air round the threads. I do agree about the spring pushing grease.
I am trying to remember the oil test display that used to be on the counters of auto parts stores. It had a hand crank and 3 gears behind a lexan view port. have you tried that oil?
THAT LUCAS! See my comment!
@@Mad-Duk_Machine_Werkes THX ,Inflicted with"SOMETIMERS"
When I was a kid I remember it was STP
Winkey you could have rotated the chuck to test the thread
😮😂😊
Not really... the handle of the gun was hitting the jaws of the chuck.
I like it, no I love it.Great job….
Thank you very much!
Great job, chain saw bar oil may be an option, very sticky
I tried it. the 600w seems to work a little better.
Thanks for sharing
Sure thing, thanks for watching
U need a check valve between pump and mana fold because when it is a grease gun the end of the hose the coupling is the check valve
I agree. Oil pump cans are made with a check valve.
You might be right, however, there is a check valve in the gun where the hose screws on. I will investigate the hose, thanks!
You might be right.... but see my other reply.
buen trabajo amigo
Gracias!
I wonder if you could make a foot pedal to pump it so you can pump while you’re machining. Nice job sir.
I'm hoping it will stay lubricated for at least 10 minutes. Interesting idea but perhaps not needed.
Great job as usual, but I've got ask, why did you put the lever at the back? Are you thinking ahead to when you add a cam to operate it?
Well, there wasn't a good place to put it but it would be cool to have it a very slow flow all the time.
Did you try thread tape? Air can pass between the 16tpi, without a good seal
It didn't show in the video but there is a rubber ring seal inside the gun. I could be wrong but I can't imagine it leaking at the seal.
Winky, it's a Friday night, uh ...actually early Saturday morning. Lets call it nearly 1 AM. The Twilight Zone will be rapping up and Alfred Hitchcock will be coming on. My daughter lives only 7 miles away but I haven't seen her in months. Sounds depressing? Well, it isn't. I multi-tasked and watched your latest video! Thanks!
Thanks for watching. I hope you get some sleep too.
@@WinkysWorkshop That comment got posted before I had a chance to edit it. I really meant to tell you how enjoyable your video is. You keep that old girl looking beautiful! It was manufactured in a better time.
Wakodahatchee Chris
@@cdrive5757 No problem... and thanks, glad you enjoy the videos.
Was the noise from the metal gears really that bad?
Yes, much worse
The air is getting into your pump by threads of your slug you turned. You should have included an print or thread sealer
I wish you were right. The video didn't show it but there is a rubber gasket in the head of the grease gun. I'm thinking I might need a check valve at the oil pickup.
I would experiment with hypoid gear oils, say 90 wt.
The oil you are using looks a bit thin.
Also think about putting a drain plug in the bottom and a magnet.
Keep us updated on your progress.
Yeah... got the magnet and I should have put a drain in there!!! I'll look at that oil. Thanks
That's a I need to do that.
It works fairly well, thanks
Great idea? Do you still put some oil on the wheel axles or does it splash enough to take care of that? My clock repair background snuck through. We call gears "wheels."
Hello Dave , thats a very good question. I suspect the axles will get plenty of oil but a lighter oil is probably more suitable for axles. Heck, I think it will be fine.
Next add a foot pedal linkage so you can just use your foot ???
Haha... hopefully I don't have to oil it more than one a day
I use engine assembly lube , stays on the gears alot longer.
I have several options I need to try. I tried chainsaw bar oil but this 600W is a little better.
If you want total quiet, throw all the gears in the garbage and do a Clough42 Electronic Lead Screw installation. Makes easy one button threading both imperial and metric. Brings your lathe into the 21st century!
Yeah... That would be cool for sure!
@WinkysWorkshop I did the ELS on my Atlas a couple yeas ago. Absolutely the best important possible. I love it, n9 noise quiet as a mouse.
Does one have to be cautious to make sure that the oil selected is compatible with the plastic used for the gears...????
Good question! I was told they were nylon and I've seen nylon used lot in oil pumps. I guess we will find out.
try power punch, that will give you some good results.
I have several to try now, thanks
What about mounting the pump lower than the reservoir? This way it will not suck air and will always be primed.
Its actually about 1/8" from the bottom. I'm wondering if it has a check valve at the intake
I don't think so as the grease gun follower spring pushes the grease into the pump normally.
You could have just cut off the original grease tube and welded a bottom on it to get your reservoir.
There wasn't enough room plus no real advantage.
Hold the handle and turn the Chuck to thread it on?
Not sure what you are talking about
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Thanks
Nice, but that’s why helically toothed gear exist.
Please send money 😜
Now you can spend " more " time with your Wife ? She can pump the oil as you work ??
Sharing Hobbies is Quality Time !!
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Haha... good idea!
Try chainsaw bar oil, it will quit the gears
Yeah, I tried it but the 600w worked a little better. Still the chain oil did work well.
Just hand spin the chuck to try it.
spin the chuck to try what? You lost me.
Hi, what sensor do you put in the Spindle?
I found the video, is an RPM sensor.
Yep, you got it.
sounds more like you don't have enough clearance between the gears.
Aside from one gear the positions are all fixed. The clearance looks about right. I think the gears are worn and that a couple have bent teeth. I can't see then but judging by the sound I'd say there are several slightly bent.
Model engine oiler ratchet type
Interesting idea
I’ve been using Mac’s open gear lube spray from Napa on my Atlas lathe gear train for years, works great
That would be easier. I had some on my Logan 200 with change gears and it was nasty stuff... not sure if it was made by Mac however. Is it similar to black tar?
@@WinkysWorkshop it’s kind of a brown spray. I like it because it lasts a long time and really quieted down the gear train and it’s made for open gears. Yes, it’s messy to clean up but so is heavy oil