Exploring The First Details From The Universe of Starfield
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- With the first details from Starfield starting to be revealed, the Templin Institute gives our take on how the universe is looking so far.
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The names are a bit lazy but otherwise, I'm more interested in what the universe can be. Bethesda's world-building tends to vary a lot in quality but their worlds are made to be explored. I expect there to be many interesting locations to visit and a lot of visual storytelling.
How the hell are the names lazy
Visual Storytelling at this point is one of Bethesda's shtick, they're so good at it that they should be an example of how its done at least imo, idk what other people think
how are they lazy? They are meant to fit the tone and aesthetic they are going for. the whole "Nasapunk" thing as they describe it. Remember how Fallout has a lot of on the nose atomic related names and brands? Or even in TES where a lot of the factions are just basic "Mage's guild, Fighter's guild, etc". I imagine it will make sense in game. Don't overthink creativity. They aren't trying to reinvent the wheel. It's more just their own take on a style of scifi. Also, do you frequent the Bethesda sub reddits? I feel like I ahve seen your username or something very similar before
My theory is that its supposed to be representative of the nations. Not founded on ehtnic similarity but based on ideology. Its least it isn't another "empire". Like in star citizen.
@Sweener give me an example of what you think a non-lazy sci fi space nation is then.
I mean, if the Freestar Collective are painted as die-hard individualists, libertarians, and anarcho-capitalists like this short overview makes it seem, then their hatred of roads makes complete sense. It also makes sense how they could survive the Colony war as each citizen would have large stockpiles of privately owned McNukes.
based freestar collective
I've slogged through mud, and used holes in the ground as toilets.
I am happy to pay enough taxes for some roads and sewer lines.
Would add up with them being a tribe like bunch of barbarians.
Their emblem should’ve been a snake 🤣
Collective...
the factions in Starfield remind me of the factions in the Firefly on one side you have the central government that rules all of human space and on the other you have the rebels who just want independence from that government. In the case of the Firefly universe the rebels lost and in the case if Starfield the rebels may not have won but at least did not loose either.
That sounds pretty likely.
In a war for independence, you simply have to be more trouble than it's worth to hold by force. Eventually the more powerful side say, "You know what, F*** 'em. Let them see how well they do without us. Good luck dumb@$$ trying to live well without our resources."
That could also explain the rundown nature of the capital. Very little supply from the industrial centers, and too many people who want to be left alone to come toghether even so far as to build roads. Or more interestingly, refusing to build paved roads as a part of the culture, a "screw you and your paved roads" in response to a meme trend of "without us, who will build the roads?"
United States vs. Grenada is not a good comparison.
Consider travel times between star systems. It likely takes days, weeks, or months to travel from one star system to another. Also, there are no FTL communications (Todd confirmed this in an interview). All communications are done with starships. So command and control could have been a big factor.
I imagine that the Freestar collective star systems are grouped closely together, facilitating communications between them (days or hours). Meanwhile the border between the FSC and UC is located a good distance from Alpha Centauri and Sol, taking weeks or months to receive word from the battlefront and issue orders. An admiral who seemed good on paper might turn out to be terrible in combat and could not be easily replaced.
Those factors might allow for a smaller power to be able to fend off a more powerful one. A good decisive battle that destroyed a good chunk of the U.C. fleet might have been enough to get them to the negotiating table. The U.C. could, if they wanted to, have gotten a second more powerful fleet together with a proven admiral to crush the FSC but decided it wasn’t worth it. Or perhaps there was a change of administrations when the former heads of MAST resigned in disgrace from the debacle.
Finaly somone thougt a bit through it.
So essentially almost the exact same situation as the American revolutionary war
@@sammywhite5127 And the American Revolution succeeded in part because of the involvement of other 'nemesis' nations with the colonies against the British Empire, who also had their attention divided trying to keep control of the rest of their far-flung Empire.
Without the aid of France, and the cold threats of other European powers and the requirement to station troops and fleets elsewhere, the rebels would have ended like the landing forces on Scarif.
@@MonkeyJedi99 I would add to this that even with France's assistance the revolution was on a knife's edge of failing more than once. However, it might be a good comparison to Starfield if there was another stellar power (perhaps not featured in this Starfield but in a future sequel or DLC) that was distracting the UC from whatever dispute it was having with the FSC. I do agree with the OP TI, what is up with the dirt roads Akila?
Damn, space mail? That's sick.
My problem with the comment about the UC's logo being in English is that the UN also does this with their logo for their peacekeeping and peace enforcement units. It's not about representation, it's about identification during battle or policing action. Everyone on the planet instantly knows the blue helmet with the white "UN" on it, even from a long distance away. It would take more time to identify a more intricate symbol, and you would most certainly have to be closer.
Also, it probably has to do with founding members. NATO was founded by the United States and as a result it's letters are arranged for the English way of saying it. The UN was primarily founded by the US and UK, and so the logo for their military forces are the English letters. If the UC was primarily founded by English speaking states, then yeah the name and logo are gonna be in English.
One way I could see having a big superpower having been fought to a stalemate by a relatively small band of "rugged individualists" (I don't buy that there isn't more going on behind the scenes) is that while the United Colonies are a wide reaching economic superpower, they didn't actually have the military industrial complex to back it up. If the colonization of the settled systems was entirely peaceful then without any major threats they could've ended up with a small, largely performative military that existed mostly to discourage piracy and perform the odd police action. It would've been perfectly adequate after all, right up until an actual war happened.
If that was the status quo, the Freestar Collective just had to get out a little ahead at the starting gate, throw the full weight of their forces at individual UC patrols, spread out and isolated hunting pirates across the settled systems, for an early advantage, press that with deep raiding to force the UC to waste a lot of their superior numbers guarding their backlines, and just generally do as much damage as possible before they get their feet under them and put that economic output to work drowning the FC in numbers. Once that happens switch the fleets to guerilla warfare and tell the ground forces to dig in and resist stubbornly in the hopes the UC decides they don't want to pay the price of crushing them.
Crushing a planet is cheap once you're in space. The power to move thousands of tons of spaceship around the stars makes it trivial to target almost anything on a planet for destruction. A crowbar in orbit becomes a tank-killer weapon on the ground. A tank dropped from orbit can ruin a city.
@@archapmangcmg while crushing a planet from space is easy that doesn't garanty the victory of the United Colonies. Before the war both the United Colonies and the Freestar Collective were part of the same state what meant that if thegoverment that existed before the war used these kind of techniques they would have to assume the costs of rebuilding. This means that if any side were to use orbital bombing as an strategy it would probably be the Freestar Collective because if they succesfully secceded they wouldn't need to pay for the damage they caused as their target planets would be those loyal to the government.
@@davidalonsosariego2618 Actually, it pretty much does guarantee victory on the ground when your ground forces can call down orbital artillery on their enemies while the enemies cannot do the same back.
Orbit is the ultimate high ground advantage.
It's not carpet bombing. It's being able to drop the right amount of pain wherever you want. An army in the open is dead. An army hidden in a mountain range? Slightly more difficult but destroying the mountain range is well within your ability. The enemy army can't hide in terrain. And cities can be starved out.
FC would have to get past the kinds of defences that space assets are by their very nature before they could get to a planet, while having fewer of their own to protect their planets.
If the UC are the economic powerhouse, they're also in the commanding position militarily in a matter of days or weeks to convert.
@@archapmangcmg You underestimate the power of rock. If you have the kind of scifi power it takes to travel between stars and move asteroids around, you also have the powerplants and materials needed for very efficient drilling. Defending armies aren't under a meter of soil, they're headquartered two kilometers down in doomsday bunkers.
Second point: The attackers aren't throwing rocks. We'd throw rocks, but we don't have fusion plants to power our lasers and rail guns, and frankly the 10km/s you can impact with from a rock in orbit is pathetic compared to even a modest rail gun or particle cannon. Both sizes have weapons far move effective than just dropping rocks, which erodes the orbital advance considerably. If both sides are using missiles that impact at 100km/s, then the extra 10km/s from orbit means very little, especially when the defenders have plentiful cheap armor and you don't.
Moreover, the invading fleet is likely much much smaller than the local military forces in terms of manpower, and probably also in terms of resources and weapons. The simple fact is that spaceships, with their compact mobile powerplants, their drive systems, and lightweight armor have a price overhead per weapon deployed. Digging a vacuum tunnel through the ground to launch rail rounds is going to be much cheaper than wrapping a ship around the same gun. The the orbital force is likely heavily outguns unless they've spent on the order of ten times as much on their military forces.
Finally, the locals have stealth, deception, and preparation time on their side. The invaders don't know where the bunkers are, and have no clue where the weapons are until they power up and open fire.
@@archapmangcmg If they are living in a universe of readily available space flight, they would have the capability to detect and intercept something the size of a crowbar or a tank.
I will say this about the name Atlantis, it could be in reference to the space shuttle Atlantis, as Bethesda talked about how when they were designing the game they wanted it to have a "NASA-punk" vibe, hence why they visited Space-X and spoke with Elon Musk, and probably did the same with NASA their personnel. I wouldn't be surprised if other names in the game are in tribute to those early years of Humanity's start of space exploration, and the Astro/Cosmonauts and vehicles that made it possible. Maybe there will be a Gagarin Station, or planet named Grissom or star system called that's renamed to McAuliffe. I can't wait to see what this game has to offer!
Nah, things are much simplier. "New Atlantis" is a name given by philosopher Francis Bacon for his utopian society of people who always search for new knowledge. His ideas are thematically matched with exploring concept of the Starfield
@@Ocelot835 I didn’t know that, thanks for sharing that!
If the UC capital is built on an ocean world with most of the planet covered in water, like 90-95% water, then "New Atlantis" would make sense.
True, but they could've at least gone for Neo Atlantis.
Maybe their major cities are named after the space shuttles. They could have a Columbia, a Discovery, an Endeavor...but not a Challenger, obviously.
@@d.b.4671 Given that Challenger wasn't the reason the space shuttle program ended, you might not want a Columbia then, either
Look let's be real Atlantis used to be on land before it sunk, why do people now associate Atlantis with underwater city even though they named it before it sunk
@@divinefavour1289 I never said it would be an underwater city...why did you think I did?
Ah yes, Skyrim in space
Spacerim.
They wish it would be half us good as Skyrim!
@@shinyagumon7015. The fuck are you even saying?
Is our character going to wake up in the prison shuttle on the way to a prison planet, and some inmate gonna say, _"Hey you, you're finally awake. You were trying to cross the border? Flew right into that UC's ambush, like us and that space pirate over there."_
The question is: will it just work?
After watching: I hope it isn't just Imperials vs Stormcloaks recycled. Underdog rebels from one of many provinces, with towns that are actually the size of small villages. Vs an overwhelmingly powerful continental spanning empire.
With the difference that the Empire had external enemies that weakened it enough for the Stormcloaks to pose a threat.
One way I could see it working is if the vast majority of inhabited worlds are actually neutral/indipendent. A good story would be something like the Siberian War of The New Order HOI4 Mod.
A war so devastating between already unstable nations, that it caused both to collapse. Or at the very least, both to lose territory to the many independence movements to the point they don't even share a direct border anymore.
Would explain why they were forced to sign an armistice, why the Collective are so poor, and would make for a nice source of side-quests, exploring and pacifying the Settled Worlds Anarchy.
That's the the ultimate question for almost every new game, movie, comic and TV show these days!
Todd literally described it as skyrim in space so I wouldn't expect anything good
@@Mordoras1379 I expect it'll be better than Cyberbug 2077
you can ignore video, its false information
United Colonies vs Freestar collective conflict looks not like the Cold War, but, like a classic conflict between "civilized empire" and "uncivilized barbarians". Quite often in history, those barbarians were far less advancced not because they didn't have some technologies, but because it was a conscious choice, of preferring not having an overreaching government, over better roads. And, despite their superiority, empires often struggled to conquer barbarians due to either awful terrain (like Ancient China vs some tribes in modern Vietnam) or lack of resources to justify large scale military campaign. Overall, factions in Starfield look very interesting, if a little generic.
As we saw during the age of imperialism, these barbarian advantages (ie large numbers of light cavalry) are offset by technology. There’s no way a “barbarian” star empire could defeat a “civilised” star empire in a pitched battle, unlike, say, the Mongols and Chinese.
Idk, I think it would make sense/be interesting if they were primitive in other ways, like they use cars instead of hover vehicles or computers that look like they're from today or something - taking this idea of choosing to be less advanced and placing that idea within this new context, not just using the same idea of what was "primitive" that we used thousands of years ago.
It's the United States Military vs Afghan Talibans situation. The stronger, bigger power is fighting for resource and population control, the weaker, smaller power is fighting to be able to live their own way and to be in control of their own homes. Larger powers usually don't have the political will or the public support to go all out on a war with what they perceive as a weak opponent. The weaker side, who is much more willing to make sacrifices and take risks to attain their goal, takes advantage of the larger side's unwillingness to pull all the stops to win, fighting guerrilla style, crippling enemy supply lines and doing strategic surgical strikes on key enemy positions.
@@ricardogens9834 situation was also similar in Roman times. While Roman Republic in Punic wars was willing to sacrifice more than a hundred thousand soldiers and suffer dozens of defeats in a row, but continue fighting, late Empire army would disperse if it lost a few dozens of thousands soldiers, and prefer surrendering a few provinces to barbarians, than fight them.
@@ricardogens9834 Why there is always a idiot willing to bring real world politics to a discussion about the setting of sci-fi video game? Be gone, troll!
Man, I hope we can fly our own ship into some huge space battles, Star Wars Squadrons esque but on a larger scale.
Laughs in blowing up entire solar systems using zero point modules and hyper drive.
I've heard that one before. Remember when No Man's Sky was about to come out?
@@CaptainZlex only too well.....
I wouldn't expect that, remember the engine we're dealing with, it doesn't tend to handle large numbers of entities all to well due to how it does AI, plus I don't think our ship has guns
@@dukoth6552 I know lol I just like to have fantasies. Is it confirmed that we have one ship? Like The Ebon Hawk, or your ship from The Outer Worlds (don't remember its name)?
For those of your playing at home, their are 133 real star systems within the 50 light year radius given. That's a small enough number that it is not unrealistic, though very time consuming, to give each system and history role and personality.
Smaller powers going up against bigger powers, then still somehow wining is not a impossibility. Even history it's self agrees, but they are uncommon enough and unexpected enough that actually effort needs to be put in to explain why the extreme bigger one lost. The winter war of 1939-1940 is a good example, with the joke being that the only reason the USSR won was becasue they had more tropes then Finland had bullets.
While the winter war is a good example it's also a bad example at the same time because Finland lost the war and had to sign a pretty harsh peace treaty. Russia eventually overran them with their superior manpower and industrial might. No matter how good the fins were they were doomed as the war was not one of a occupier vs conqueror, it was between two nation states with one being much stronger.
I wouldn't expect all 133 to be inhabited systems no matter what. Keep all the F, G and K systems, a third of the rest for resource mines and ignore the rest, you've cut down the needed work to a much more manageable size. Oh, the others have been visited (and studied from afar) but they're background to the setting.
As for smaller powers? Yes. Writers need to WORK to justify smaller powers not getting curb stomped, not just wave their hands. "Plucky underdog" does NOT count, though lazy writers often think it does.
But that's why they're bad writers.
The more enemies than bullets is an overused hyperbole, admittedly more acceptable in this exact context, compared to when used for later conflicts.
@@duitk Well there's always the Vietnam war too.
@@rogadip North Vietnam had the support of two superpowers in the USSR and China who provided training and heavy weapons. They had SAMs and a modern air force and were battle hardened. They were not the stupid rice farmers media makes them out to be, they were a solid fighting force. The Vietcong which was their guerilla component was destroyed in the tet offensive. South Vietnam fell to the NVA the north Vietnamese regular army after the US withdrawal.
To me Freestar Collective sounds(at least by name and symbolism) like it would be a Leftist or Communist faction but from the description it sounds like it's vaguely Libertarian or maybe even Anarcho-Capitalist.
I like the idea of using a bird to symbolise freedom and sticking the star in there to show the bird travelling between them is cool.
The capital might make sense if say it was deliberately picked to be neutral not an existing major city - especially if it was maybe first settled after Freestar came together. A new city would have limited wheeled transport and so little need for paved roads.
Maybe the FSC fought more of a guerrilla war against the UC see for example the Viet Cong.
Thing is that war didn’t happen in a vacuum and as only achievable because eventually the Big Bad Soviet’s would get involved
It could have been a Vietnam situation where as the UC pulled out due to internal political pressure and the inability to score any decisive wins against the Freestar.
How could you miss that the UC font is the same character rotated sideways? I'm sure the designer was pretty pleased with themselves over this. It is clever.
And "clever" has given the world so many turkeys. Like the AMC Pacer. The Zune. The Ford Pinto...
Honestly it’s weird but I can’t decide if having aliens be in this game would be good or not
Well there are aliens in the game
The “C” is just the “U” turned 90 degrees. They’re the same picture.
And just like that, we have learned the CU is probably hellbent on cutting costs on everything, starting with their logo. Lol.
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Apparent disparity in forces doesn't always translate directly: the United Colonies may be stronger in theory, but that doesn't mean it can effectively utilize all of its resources to win a war, or that all of its members are contributing instead of attempting to play both sides. One would hope that arguments over centralization is a key part of the UC story.
the United Colonies losing to the free star collective would be like the japanese losing to the vietnamese
or the french losing to the vietnamese
or the americans losing to the vietnamese
or the chinese losing to the vietnamese
totally ridiculous! would never happen.
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A weak power fighting a far stronger one to a stalemate? Yeah, sounds totally implausible.
[distant Vietnamese laughter]
One thing to consider is that these versions of the faction's logo's are likely designed to be printed on spaceships which could mean they would need to be quickly and easily identifiable in a firefight. In real life it's likely that more intricate versions of their logo's would exist, which is always something Bethesda Game Studio's could retcon at a later stage.
Also, we don't really know for sure that both sides aren't equal in power; for example, the UC could be more technologically advanced, but the Freestar Collective could outnumber them 3:1, due to the UC having a higher bar for entry into their armed forces. A reason for the Freestar Collective having no grand central hub could be they lack the technology for planet wide defence, so they spread themselves out to avoid being taken out all at once.
I believe it was also mentioned that the Freestar Collective isn't a single unified front like the UC, rather it's a coalition of many colonies. (someone correct me if I'm wrong)
So it's the IMC versus the Militia from Titanfall, minus the Titans
@@CMTechnica well that one is just UNSC vs Insurrectionist from halo but with mechs
@@CMTechnica. Not quite as the IMC itself was a megacorporation.
Good points! My main criticism of course would be that an emblem on a spaceship is about the *least* identifiable part of a ship in the vastness of space. The information and signals a ship gives off are way more identifiable than a bit of pain scored across something that can't be seen by the naked eye until long after the ships were far to close for comfort.
That, of course, is less a problem in your logic, and more just a problem with how sci-fi universe represent their spaceships and space battles.
@@MrSuperbowlingboy Thermal emissions would be visible from long range and should help identify as soon as you see them, as well as their distance, course, velocity, mass, weaponry and so on. Worse, the heat should be just about impossible to stop entirely and military sensors should be focussing on thermal as first line of detection and identification since you can do it entirely passively.
Radar and laser and other active systems 1) are very short range in comparison, 2) make everyone know you're there and 3) can ID YOU long before they ID others. Jamming should be just about impossible but disguising your emissions should be more practical, eg disguising a capital ship as a large freighter or passenger ship.
You should never be able to disguise yourself all the way to visual range, however, meaning no surprise boarding operations.
Based on real physics, there is no stealth in space.
I think it's perfectly believable for the capital of the libertarian leaning faction to not have any roads.
Since you've talked finding equal powers more interesting, I'd love to see a video on the Federation or the Empire from Elite: Dangerous. Especially after that scathing Star Citizen video.
I think the generic and lazy names are because of the reason that, we don't really have an og open world space game and Bethesda really wants to take that spot. Like Elite and Star Citizen are mmo and mass effect is not really open world and others are strategy games or simulators.
I love how you think that "Atlantis" wouldn't have any relevancy for interstellar humans 300 years from now, when the myths of Atlantis are currently thousands of years old and we have numerous media that takes inspiration.
You seem to do this in most of your videos. Thinking that humans would dump anything that isn't close to their time frame. When all you have to do is look around and see the impact of history. We have signs of culture from thousands of years ago still bumping around. And any future civilization will have the benefit of having digital and abundant records of our current years.
You need to broaden your horizons a bit more in your videos.
Now, I don't expect the Freestar Collective's in-game lore will make all that much sense, but I'll give it a shot...
Perhaps, the Freestar Collective was or still is a more space-based faction, with the majority of their assets and population involved in asteroid mining, orbital assembly of ships, siphoning gas giants, exploiting planetary rings and so forth. They DO have a strong industrial base, but it just isn't present planet-side, since the effort of lifting resources up through an atmosphere and gravity well just isn't as efficient.
This could explain how they were able to push a war to a stalemate in space, yet lacked the raw staying power to actually engage in any kind of planetary assault or sustained bombardment. Instead, the Freestar Collective devoted its forces to attacking enemy supply lines, cutting off individual planets, fleets, and systems and leaving them to wither on the vine. Only in the most pressing of circumstance would large-scale fleet operations then be undertaken against such targets, using numerical superiority by way of modified civilian and industrial vessels fitted to carry anti-ship missiles and point-defence weapons externally, around a core of newly-built warships.
Following the war, it's not unforeseeable that large numbers of these ships would be returned to their civilian occupations, and some might even turn to piracy rather than give up their newly weaponized ships, leading to a degradation in the Collective's outward force projection.
Given their status as a Collective, it's also possible that their 'capital' is more so neutral ground, than any kind of centralized government. Being composed of the descendants of numerous terraforming, mining, and exploration groups as well as fringe settlers, the internal structure of the Collective might be almost tribal in nature, with large space stations and ships posing as the 'capitals' of each respective tribe, while Akila City functions as more of a pow wow site during critical events, or perhaps for a yearly face-to-face by the different faction leaders.
Yes,that would make far more sense but i believe then they would rather have a capital in space,be it in a resource rich system or in orbit of the most populous terrestrial world.
That capital city makes no sense.There are villages more developed than that.
@@krapto3467 Yeah, I'm just trying to think of a reason it might exist... Maybe it was a failed colony, or a resource extraction site that ran dry, or has some kind of other significance to them.
Those options do all sound better.
I sure hope this is the kind of thing they went with. A faction of spacers in a mineral rich region of space declare independence and make their table for debates a barely inhabited rimworld that doesn't necessarily have any inherent strategic value as their space stations and shipyards would have.
I'm gonna name my Starfield character "Garfield."
Do you spell it Gar Field?
Mhmmm, Gore Field? 🤔
I would love to see a video on the universe and factions of Elite, unless it's already been done.
What I wanna know is if we get to play as exotic races, like Space Elves, Space Wolves, Space Dragons, etc.
I want an Elder Scrolls in Space type thing, y'know. We got a Fallout in Space with the Outer Worlds, so wonder how this'll turn out.
The 'fifty light years from Sol' thing suggests strongly that, at least at the game's beginning, nobody has publicly encountered aliens.
I guess they might exist in the form of gengineered human groups. (shrug)
I'm from a heavily Libertarian part of Northern California that felt road construction and maintenance was best handled by an imaginary private citizen who would step up to do it. Still waiting for the Chosen One to fulfill the prophecy and restore the great asphalt trails of yore.
Because the idea of such a thing coming to pass is nothing short of fantasy.
Hmmm, who knows, maybe it'll be something along the lines of real world asymmetric warfare: the UC wants to take over, not obliterate everything, so hands are sort of tied (plus public opinion), whereas the freestar collective basically fought as an insurgency.
I'd be willing to accept a lot of roughness from the Freestar capitol, it's easy to believe it was built from scratch only a few decades ago, perhaps during or shortly before the war, and as such would have slapdash planning and infrastructure. That being said though three planet sized economies is nothing to sneeze at and there's going to be certain minimum logistical demands a capitol city has to meet. If I were designing it I'd probably have the capitol building itself be some kind of large citadel in the middle that houses all the facilities that the government uses directly within it, then have the rest of the city be more of a frontier boomtown kind of thing with ad hoc infrastructure and buildings sprawling out around it.
You see this in real life with important locations that begin life as government facilities going back to roman legion camps. The facility comes first and is well organized and functional, then people who are in the business of serving the needs of the facility find it convenient to set up shop just outside, then it becomes a natural meeting point and logistics hub for the surrounding area and so on until a real town grows around it organically.
spot on man! My sentiments exactly
Nice video :)
I hope one day Templin looks into the Lost Fleet universe. It's very cliché almost to the point of pulpy, but nonetheless extremely well thought-out in just about every aspect - the universe, civilizations, logistics, technology, characters. It has a layer of hard sci-fi around a core of soft sci-fi, crunchy on the outside and chewy on the inside. The best part is without doubt the relativistic physics applied to everything from communications and fog of war to the numerous yet highly detailed fleet engagements with hundreds of named ships.
You know the Historian's look at the Battle of Helm's Deep and Siege of Gondor series of blog posts? It's as though that guy looked at the Expanse and decided it would be cool to write about that a few hundred years into the future and focus mainly on space battle after space battle.
Much of the last 60 years of IRL military history has been small bands of essentially peasants motivated by religion or ideology trapping larger powers in unwinnable guerilla wars until said powers decide that the prize isn't worth the cost paid. So... I can't really say they're wrong to have the Freestar Collective survive all-out war with the UC while still being so poor as to not be able to afford concrete or asphalt for pavement.
Exactly! I mean, within the last year we saw what's arguably the most powerful nation in the world keel over and yield in a 20 year long war. Did they fight another superpower or an alliance of strong nations? No, they fought religious zealots in the middle of nowhere. As long as Bethesda keeps it grounded it should be fine. A constant annoyance chewing away at the supply lines of the UC, an unseen threat ready to at any moment strike within the heart of their cities, a boogeyman ever present within the public conscious. It wouldn't be weird for a superpower to eventually give up in such a situation. If Bethesda pursued the path of least intelligence we'll see the Freestar Collective decimate UC fleets using nothing but freighters and fanaticism. Only time will tell.
Freighters to raming speed.
Especially if lingering damage and debt from the war is why they don't have roads (anymore).
I wonder if the concept art of the Freestar Collective's capital is some strawmanning of less regulated societies, by BGS creators. The whole roads argument and all. I mentioned somewhere else that it reminded me more of The Alliance vs. The Browncoats from Firefly.
You see those troopers from UC? They've got paved roads. Paved. Roads.
When I hear 'individual freedom' nowadays, it just makes me think that faction will be gone as soon as the first serious space flu outbreak hits.
I think it's a big stretch to say that two sides of a war have to be of equal size and capability to be interesting.
Look at the last few wars that the United States has fought, for instance; There almost couldn't be a bigger disparity between the taliban and the US in Afghanistan, yet here we are 20 years later and Taliban won the war.
*300 years from now…:*
Check out this retro game, fem did they get _everything_ wrong.
US vs Vietnam happened btw.
Is the Templin Institute ever going to do research into the Gundam Universes? I don’t use any other social media’s like Facebook or Twitter to look you guys up and ask the question of if you guys are ever going to look into Mobile Suit Gundam? If you guys ever read this thinks for at least taking the to do so :)
I do like the Freestar emblem how it is, the UC one yeah I agree that could use a change as it looks a bit generic and blocky, maybe a more stary design around the central star to represent it as a centralized state. Though overall I think the Freestar could use a boost in system numbers rather than it be 47 vs 3 star systems, that being said they do seem like they are based on the more recently settled star systems or perhaps more far flung ones being less centralized and more of a frontier than the centralized built up worlds of the UC. But might have to wait more time for a star map to come out to see how they are laid out and also what drove the colonization of the different star systems. I could see the Freestar as also occupying more space stations, asteroids, or planetoids and the like given their frontier theme so they are more spread out as well. They could have a fighting chance against the UC assuming they used more guerilla tactics than a grand decisive battle, their more spread out, perhaps even more numerous if less populated, worlds or settlements very expensive to lock down for the more conventional and blocky UC tactics. Nevermind if there is meant to be a story and Freestar are set as the good guys and the UC the bad so I guess there would have to be plot reasons.
No one said the UC had 47 star systems
You always seem to forget. If it’s a “melting pot” simpler would be better as to not draw inspiration from one culture yet it being “in English” would be for economical power.
"Melting Pot" in a cultural context implies homogenization, integration, & streamlining. The phrase to describe what Marc is suggesting is called "Salad Bowl". There is also the fact that with the combo of current linguistic trends having the number of 'living' languages decline for over 1,000 years, the advent of audio-recordings, & most people long-term tend to choose convenience. The number of 'living' languages 300 years from now would likely be a dozen or two at the most, being generous.
3:05 If the United Colonies was in Portuguese (or either Romance language), would be Colônias Unidas - CU, which isn't a good acronym at all, since Cu is a slang for the A-hole.
Yeah, it would work as well in french it would be ridiculous lol
Your the first source im getting Stanfield details from, ill admit I was expecting a larger galactic space opera more akin to open world mass effect, honestly I personally hope there are either aliens or human variants, not a deal breaker if there isn't though I'm down for Bethesda's take on Firefly + OG Star Wars
I wish you talk about Elite universe lore, from the original game to the latest game.
I can't wait to lose myself in this game and lore just like I did first with Oblivion as a kid
Everyone ready to play stealth archer again?
People who can't build roads probably can't build shipyards.
Honestly, New Atlantis seems like a very fitting name actually. As it is told in the tales, Atlantis was a very powerful city and the most advanced in the world. Therefore, New Atlantis is the same. The center of the United Colonies, a place of luxury and marvels. Fitting.
But it's concerning. By putting that name they essentially cursed themselves for a new flooding. "The Fall of New Atlantis", not only plausible, but very likely indeed.
It could also be a reference to the Space Shuttle Atlantis.
Hey. If you guys decide to do more videos on your reimagined SW Sequels, particularly some on the war, I would love to recommend using Ace Combat 6's Liberation of Gracemaria for bgm. And using any AC music that would seem appropriate. Try listening to their OSTs. You'll find many cool tracks.
Sure, I can't see any flaws in using copyrighted music from Ace Combat in a video about Star Wars.
Xeno purge protocol initiated total Extermination in progress.
@@TemplinInstitute Ace Combat music is copyrighted? I've seen some videos with it.
@@TemplinInstitute Also, I'd appreciate it if you toned down the sarcasm.
@@TemplinInstitute Douchey attitude to a harmless suggestion
I'd put money on Space Texas having a planet-buster weapon being the only reason they're still standing.
For all we really know, the UC could’ve pulled out of the collective after years of inconclusive fighting, i,e, Afghanistan. It’s not impossible.
I wonder if the free star systems could be behind some sort of natural bottle neck, a nebula which prevents FTL or the like from going through unless it follows a certain path and they are able to hold that much narrower front while using hidden paths through the nebula to do hit and run attacks on nearby systems/fleets. I don't know if that is what they would do but it would provide at least some reasoning on why they tied.
They just wanted it more🤣 that part got me for real though.
And for the record fuck paved roads! Foot trails for life!🤟
I know this video is not stallaris invacta 2 but for thanksgiving you should make up a hoilday from season 2 to showcase, and maybe how to cook a space turkey er something idk thats ur job
Maybe Freestar Collective all have really good boots? Have you ever been to Texas? Very few building codes so you will see some odd shit. Yet if Texas went to way with say, New York.... The lack of paved streets could be a tragedy of the commons. Essentially everyone uses the roads but doesn't want to pay for them. You could look at many places in the world and see huge contradictions like this.
New Atlantis name doesn't need to have relevance for the United Colonies citizens. We only know New Atlantis is the capital but we don't know if it was specifically founded to be the capital. It could have been founded as a normal colony and then, decades later, be turned into the new capital due to economic or political power that the city may have developed over time
The U and C in the United colonies logo even look like the same shape rotated 90°.
Hmm, in truth the Browncoats were just as devious as the Allied Systems, the only real difference between the two was one had a smaller bank account
FreeStar collective sounds based
Man if only we had a real life example of a relatively young nation that emphasized freedom and individual responsibility a ton for most of it's lifespan to look at when trying to determine the relative wealth level of the two capitals. Too bad we don't have anything like that in the real world
cant wait for the starwars mods
While I am team paved roads some cultures and civilizations learn to exist and thrive without something we consider so fundamental. For example, the Aztec knew about the wheel technology but were more likely to use it for a toy rather then a wheelbarrow. Its not that they were stupid or primitive, simply that they had ready access to the waterways and rivers of their Empire which made travel and transportation much easier via canoe or barge rather then pushing something on a dirt road. Maybe something equivalent here?
The logo for the United Colonies looks good in my opinion. Both letters are the same with the 'C' being the 'U' turned 90° clockwise and the symbol in the middle doesn't seem to be a star, it looks more like a compass to me. The Freestar Collective logo looks like a modernized military logo and gives me an impression that they may have a resourceful/militaristic background.
Having had a deployment to Afghanistan a few years ago, I can tell you that the spirit of "just wanting it more" may be enough to dissuade your enemy from continuing to fight you.
if star citizen would just fkin optimize their game, they could attract such a larger audience. Looking forward to playing this game
Kind of getting some Firefly vibes from the factions setup, except of course that in Firefly, the Alliance crushed the Independent Planets.
While I agree that it's a little silly that the UC struggled against three planets, it wouldn't be impossible to imagine if their supply lines are long / their military structure is broken. Think of New Vegas standing up to the NCR. Plus political will draining even though the the more powerful combatant is technically winning happens all of the time in our world.
My only real issue here is with your analogy. New Vegas vs the NCR is just a bad comparison given what the two factions are like. New Vegas had an army of advanced war robots while the NCR had a fairly conventional but shit army that struggled even against groups like the Fiends. While the UC and the NCR could potentially have something in common militarily, New Vegas and the Freestar guys are just a bad comparison. The Freestar guys don't even have roads let alone a network of advanced war robots able to do their fighting for them.
Someone else in the comment section made a point that the UC probably had an inferior military, one that was far more performative than actually effective. If the UC had no reason to wage wars, then they had no reason to maintain a functional army. Even a small but professional fleet would be able to outcompete an unprepared and unmaintained one.
I can't wait for 2 years after release where modders will make it playable.
Can you do like a video on the Gundam Universe on the Earth Federation
What if the two factions were more equal at the time of war, but, the stresses and pressures of the war took a heavier toll against the Freestar Collective who almost collapsed i the aftermath and ar taking much longer to recover and rebuild compared to the more stable United Colonies and its more centralised nature.
Is it just me or does the name Freestar >Collective< contradicts the self-definition as a loose confederacy; if I hear "Collective" I expect a strong, centralized government/state caring more about efficiency than individual or terretorial freedoms and rights (what doesn't mean there can't be an explanation of this, as hte most "Peoples Republic"s are not Republics and not caring for their people)
It should be the freestar confederacy, but whatever lmao
Freestar Collective: Man fuck roads, all my homies hate roads
Would be a lot better if they didn't have a previous conflict, but rather the UC was the larger and older colonial charter and Freestar was a later colonial charter with a group of frees soil types and there being bad blood between the two as the different charters covered some of the same ground causing strife as the two both tried to exploit and explore the systems potentially leading to a war if the wrong events unfold. Meaning the character as a ship captain or explorer or whatever might effectively be trying to either start or prevent a war from happening maybe depending on factions you join.
if you got flying cars, do you even need pavement?
hey im walkin' here
@@TemplinInstitute that's so pedestrian...
So this is basically Firefly if the Independents won.
ROADS?! Hell no! What's next, a licence to make toast in your own damn replicator?
As far as Freestar vs UC, think less in terms of ww2 and more the American revolution. Depending on how space travel works, all the freestar guys would really have needed to do would be to avoid getting pinned down to one or two decisive battles where they could be wiped out and eventually the economics of trying to bring the rebels to heel would be far outstripped by letting them go and opening amicable trade relations
6:46 "They just wanted it more" Nice burn 😂😂😂. I absolutely despise this underdog bs that makes no sense if you even use a single braincell to process its absurdity.
Freestar Collective = Space Afghanistan
Templin institute legit just fixed the emblems 😂. BETHESDA TAKE NOTES
Freestar Collective emblem is literally Hawks space ship from the early 80's TV version of Buck Rogers. Side note, Erin Gray SO HOT!!!
Starfield will be the Starship Troopers game we always wanted but not in the way we want it…. It’s only fun if you can kill the bugs…..
Third Person View pleeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaasssssseeee!!!!!!!!!!
I personal believe that the conflict between the free stars collective and United Colonies mite make more sense if the UC is positioned as an empire in decline with the FSC succession being the first signifier of UC collapse as the government is no longer able to exert control over the periphery of it territory.
The Freestar Collective emblem reminds me a lot of the Hiigaran emblem from the Homeworld universe, only less cool. The Hiigaran emblem has a very similar layout with the outstretched wings surrounding a stellar object, but it's far more stylised and very pleasing to the eye. The FSC emblem as such feels like a cheap knock-off.
Granted, I'm perhaps a little prejudiced. The Hiigarans are one of my favourite sci-fi factions; both in lore and in visual design.
it seems they're going for a bit of a star wars thing
Thing is… I’ll probably buy it and play it even tho it sounds like Swtor. I just can’t miss the similarities
Yo a low Sci-Fi FPS RPG focused on exploration versus Sci-Fantasy extra pulp take on setting with immortal emperor, galactic scale mega conflict, camp dialogue, wow styled combat and heavy mass effect inspirations ? The only thing that is similar is that there are two factions and spaceships
Hopefully it won't end up a total disaster like fallout 76, cyberpunk 2077, and last of us part 2!
It will. It is a AAA game made by Bethesda
I liked Last of Us Part 2…
@@infamousempire8302 well you're free to be easily entertained
@@ronniehopper2726 free to be entertained... by a $60 B movie
@@CMTechnica monetarily free is not what I was implying, also there's some good b movies the worst asylum film is a Got damn masterpiece compared to the storytelling abortion that was The last of Us part 2. P.s. if you paid $60 for that game after the leaks you were fucking robbed.
The name "Freestar Collective" sounds like faction/empire of a new human race that achieve transcendence through cybernetics.The name "United Colonies" sounds like several "rebellious" colony planets on the outer rim regions of space banded together for mutual protection and seeking independence from its parent Empire.
For a good sci-fi with disparate power scales in armed conflict and the outcome of that I like to refer to the Firefly 'verse.
The Independents had a righteous cause, great morale, a solid rallying cry... and they lost catastrophically in the face of the scientific might of the Alliance.
In the time the show is set, those surviving Browncoats may or may not still believe in what they fought for, but they are solidly beaten, only able to "win" by staying on the fringes where the Alliance doesn't see a profit in paying attention to things.
Did you like the Game play Reveal a few days ago?
This is triggering all my bad worldbuilding alarms.
We don't really KNOW anything about the actual world yet, though.
I can't believe I mistaken Starfield for Star Citizen..
This is going to be something along the lines of Fallout New Vegas, isn't it?
I'm really hoping that starfield will be elder scrolls in space