The STRONGEST I've Faced Thus Far...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
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Well.. it would seem I have met my match.
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Diaphone and Rooflemonger have been great resources for me as I just got into fighting games with SF6. Both have videos on Versus Rising, though maybe not character guides on all yet
While both great content creators the videos I've seen from them thus far on this game are a lot more fundamental and basic than what I'm looking for. Highly recommend for beginner players to check out their content though.
I like diaphone alot when I pick up a new game. He tends to pick characters I like so he's a good resource to learn stuff quickly for me.
These GBVS Rising videos have been fire, your commentary while playing is great
you actually made me really want to play this game, and i tried it out today and played for 6 hours. I'm sure I'll only watch you on this game so I really hope you'll keep playing it, I'm learning a lot from you.
Watching Shuaboo, Ren and reading dustloop is everything you need bro, I´m a Seox main too and that´s all I´ve been doing since the game came out
Vaseraga knowledge for ya, when hes stomping and has the scythe behind him its a stance with a few different options he can use to end the stance the stomps also have hurtboxes so they will hit you i am also 99% sure he cannot block while in stance so if hes in stance without his aura (aura explained at the bottom) just slapping him with a long reaching move or projectile is fine usually
His reversal is a command grab with frame 1 invincibility (the blue move that was confusing you that he used on wakeup)
And lastly when he has the aura around him from doing his little flex animation most of his special moves will gain armor and then the aura will be used up and he will have to activate it again hope this helps
Not many great sources for seox, the way I learned was just from labbing by myself and experimenting in quick matches. As an S badge Seox main, one big thing I would recommend is utilizing his light rekka into dash more. all his auto combos, his medium long jab, and a bunch of other things all safely combo into his light rekka, and as long as you choose to dash backwards it is incredibly safe outside of a few niche character interactions. I tend to always dash backwards since most people in this game LOVE to mash, and then if they mash with a slow option (anything slower than a jab pretty much), I punish with a heavy rekka immediately following up. Do this enough and you condition your opponent to guard after your rekka, after which you dash INTO them instead of dashing back, giving you a cross up and potentially a full combo off of that alone. Very safe even when guarded, combos off of basically everything, and has great potential mix options after you've conditioned your opponent in a match. Add to that how it deals a bit of chip every time you do it, and it is basically the bread and butter of Seox's neutral game. Allowing him to safely go for pokes and immediately disengage without giving up his turn. Medium jab into rekka in particular is a very nice option for a bit of extra damage whenever you use his best neutral poke.
This last bit is more personal preference but personally I would recommend utilizing his gate of demons (air projectile when using heavy ver) as more of a projectile/ jump punish rather than a combo tool. I noticed you utilizing triple auto combo, raging strike, heavy jab, gate of demons into medium or heavy jab, which by all means is a solid combo, but for me personally I would recommend the much more simple combo of, triple auto combo, raging strike, triple auto combo, heavy rekka. It deals like 100~ more damage (4980 compared to 5150), but more importantly it leaves your projectile available to keep your opponent in the corner. Against seox it is incredibly difficult to get out of the corner, and with how far his rekka can carry you it's very easy for him to corner his opponents. With that in mind leaving your projectile available to prevent them from jumping out of the corner can be some excellent pressure. (just by jumping up and casting heavy version mid air before they get up after getting knocked).
As I mentioned though there is merit to utilizing either combo as having the rekka off CD is very valuable for seox's neutral, but at least for me personally I prioritize having the projectile to keep the opponent in their place until I can hit an auto combo allowing me to heavy rekka them again by utilizing the extra time given through doing a raging strike combo
Wow these are great tips. As a beginner seox player may I ask what are some more tips for seox?
@@illusionary_slayer No problem at all! In terms of beginner tips the easiest recommendation is just spamming the ever loving shit out of raging strike for the extra damage. Until about S+ rank you honestly can just use these as freely as you want without thinking, but once you get to S+ it will be *thoroughly* beaten out of you to use raging points more intelligently.
Additionally start spamming the ever loving shit out of light dash attack. This is standard for every single character across the board, and is just an op poking tool. You dash attack fishing for a hit, if it hits do your full auto combo strings, if it doesn't do auto combo into light rekka dash back. it's always plus on block so you should use it commonly to poke.
For starters lets do some basic combos. There are probably more optimal combos out there but these are what I use because they're what I made myself.
Basic poking:
whenever you land basically any move whatsoever (or even if you don't land it), immediately follow it up with a light version of the rekka. Light jab, medium jab, auto combo, etc. If you think the heavy version of the rekka will be enough to carry the opponent into the corner, feel free to use that for some extra pressure.
Auto combo corner string: this is basically what you flow chart into whenever any of your projectiles hit while the opponent is grounded in the corner.
Full auto combo, heavy rekka into archdemon kick, finishing with snake bite, full medium auto combo, and then finally meter version of rekka, skybound art, or superskybound art if you want extra damage at the cost of meter.
Demon step: Holding demon step will give you a plus on block teleport to your opponent, which can immediately be followed up with a medium heavy combo string as seen above. Keep in mind though that if they attack the projectile you will be punished.
Empty hands: When this connects honestly it doesn't do much, it's main use is as a pressure tool and gap closer. On connect in the corner the only thing that really connects is a light auto combo, which to be fair can combo into either of the skybound arts, but it's bigger use is to close distance, or to continue pressure, as this move is plus on block, and should your opponent try to punish with a jab they will give you a free full combo string as seen above.
Heavy gate of demons: This is typically used to punish a jump, but if for some ungodly reason your opponent lets this thing hit while they're in the corner you can completely melt them (e.g they try anything besides jump or block on getup)
Heavy gate of demons projectile can be combo'd into the hold version of demon step for a teleport hit at range. This can immediately go into your medium combo string, and finish with a skybound art, superskybound art, or the meter version of the rekka as mentioned above. This full combo off of a projectile hitting, caps out at an insane 10679 damage if you use the super skybound version while they have 0 gauge, but even without the optimal scenario it still deals insanely good damage.
Moving on from specific combos now lets talk about a few mix up options.
Have an opponent that loves to mash after your light rekka? You have two viable options. In terms of easy options, that'll be your medium version of rekka. When your opponent blocks your auto combo, instead of going into light dash back, go into medium to fish for a jab. If they jab, the medium rekka will punish them, giving you some free damage and nice conditioning, meanwhile if they continue to block, simply dash back on the 2nd hit of the medium rekka like normal. Your second option is a much more consistent punish, but it's also insanely harder to do. During the archdemon kick point of your light rekka, you have a very small window where you can fit in a heavy version of seox's counter. Do this right, and you will heavy punish jab out of the light combo. This is the ideal punish as it will condition your opponent that jabbing during your light rekka specifically will result in them getting countered, but as mentioned this in practice is quite difficult to do, even I struggle with implementing this in matches, but it's worth practicing due to it fixing the one problem seox has, which is having a good way to punish jab out of his light rekka.
Next up lets talk about guard happy opponents. These, you want to utilize one of two things. Either A, the cross-up grab technique, where after your light rekka on guard, you dash into them and immediately grab. This is only really necessary against opponents who actually USE the block button, so never use this as your first option, only do it if they seem to be able to consistently block your cross-ups, and don't typically try to punish with a jab out of your light rekka dash. Your next choice is to utilize the non combo variant of raging strike. This is typically done via a blocked auto combo, into an immediate raging strike rather than your light rekka. This when done will drain a BP from your opponent, two if they decide to react, but if they don't it'll give you a full combo. If they do though, it will leave them with a single bravery point, meaning that for the rest of the game your raging strikes are unblockable, giving you more than enough resources to kill them. Keep in mind though, this move is HEAVILY punished by a spot dodge, so if your opponent is smart they'll start spot dodging after your auto combo, in response to this though, you can just not do your raging chain and spam your jab, giving you a full auto combo if they spot dodge.
Lastly if you're getting heavily pressured in the corner and can't seem to find an opening, don't hesitate to utilize the brave counter to take your turn back. It'll deal a bit of chip and knock your opponent away. This should be used sparingly as typically you want to use your BP for more damage as seox, but the option is definitely worth it if you can't seem to find an opening.
@@Karzakus Thank you so much! These are such great tips!
Something I normally do when I’m trying to learn a new character is that I look up high level gameplay of that character and I implement the stuff I see them do into my own gameplay and I watch a considerable amount of combo videos afterwards
I bumped into the Same problem trying to beliel guides,and combos so I can start a foundation for myself. I hope you have better luck
Man, you may have to become the Seox pioneer. I don't see very much content either, but it's the most interesting game to me right now.
I played a little of Vasaraga in the last version, and I remember that when he flexes his chest, he gain super armor on his next special. And they have a habit of using their ultimate ver. of command grab as a reversal because I'm pretty sure its invincible. As for the stomping move, you can duck under the baseball swing and dodge if he stomps on his scythe, so downback is generally safe. I'm not a great player yet, so I can't vive much advice on how to counter that stuff yet though. Maybe low crush moves when you have a gap in pressure or safe jump on knockdown if you can. Hope this helps if you don't already know!
I've been getting tech from the gbfvr discord. They have character specific channels, although it's still in the info gathering phase for the mechanic changes.
I've been enjoying granblue fantasy versus rising since it released and I'm glad you are enjoying it as well. I'm so glad this game got the second chance it deserved. Especially since I enjoyed granblue fantasy versus it hurt me when the game wasn't really all that popular. Hopefully this game can change that.
Damn...Siegfried pressed ctrl alt del on your health bar...mans was hella good
I feel like I have seen plenty of TH-cam guides on Granblue and rooflemonger covered every character in the game on the pick your main video
Normally I watch replays of top players and see what habits they do and pick up what i think is useful.
Another thing with this game at least is while it seems simple on the surface and combo execution is fairly easy ALL the system mechanics are complex.
Spacing matters, Move versions matter, delays matter, every character has some random knowledge check that you need to know how to counter using the character specific tools etc
For pressure and such i think generally universal pressure in this game is:
66L > L
c.L delay c.L
using plus special moves in neutral etc
Seox in particular has really good ex/heavy special moves that honestly you can throw out in neutral and keep the pressure going.
I'm surprised Lotus isn't using Seox's wall jump to skip fireball nuetral
I got all my knowledge from watching streams and just from playing OG GBVS. There’s a channel I watch that’s essentially like ‘Fight Club TV’ where they upload GBVS:R high lvl matches.
always loved fighting games and the art style in this one is gorgeous
Have you checked Twitter? That's where I've been grabbing my tech for this game since character guides are dry rn. I've also heard the discord is good but I haven't checked yet.
I watch other people use the character I use (Narmaya) against characters I am having trouble with to see how they approach the matchup. There's not many specific character guides out yet for the game so replays might be the best course so far imo. But I am someone who learns best with more playtime so I just gotta grind it out.
peep you have a big back dashing habit; just remember it’s not invincible in this game
The in game resources gave me more than most other games-
Mechanics, starting combos, and character match ups is wild. Not too much character specific so I get that- I just copy opponents and people I watch 😂 but thats every fighting game I play.
Since I seem to be picking up Lowain, I just kinda hunt for "High Level Lowain" and hunt the clips channels for anything i might be not thinking of myself!
I’ve been waiting eagerly for guides to show up on youtube but still nothing yet. Really want ones for my mains (djeeta and zooey) but so far I’ve just been copying what I see other people do and discovering stuff in training mode on my own
I think i fought those Sieg player before during beta..
It was fun to fight him
For me with seox I mainly lab and watched replays and for me watching high rank seox players and looking into my on replays help me climb S rank a lot easier
Throw is the best friend against vaseraga
I know he's inspired by it but play Siegfried both looks and feels like he jumped straight out of Soul Calibur. To be honest I don't exactly know what I'm doing with Narmaya, right now I'm just trying to figure stuff out, since mvc3 I don't have the best track record of following guides to figure out how to get good and fighting games and I need to fix that
The character I am running with is Anre used him in a couple friend matches and enjoyed him but haven’t had much time to sit down and learn him yet but plan too
Tbh I learned the first game on my own and watched some replays here and there to learn my character along with playing the game ofc. Maybe I should make content on the game. Not sure. Seems like there is a gap in the market. Oh yh I should also join the official discord. A lot of resources there
honestly i just learn stuff about my character inside the matches like for siegfried i can use my medium/heavy fireball to cover for my powerup which is nice and i just do alot of practice to make sure i get the basics im in i think A4 or A3 i cant remember exactly so i think im doing pretty well but idk
This is my first fighting game every were I'm taking it seriously and not messing around with friends. Im looking for guides and information but no one is posting about those topic. I know the beginner type stupid like how there is 4 attack buttons how blocking back and holding the block button is different, simple inputs ect. But im looking more for neutral tips, spacing, frame data, bread and butter combos ect.
I scavenge for any high level match footage of my character and try to learn from there or i look up the names of players i see in those matches and see if theyre making any content for the game.
Tbh how I learn isnt any helpful advice but I just guess stuff until it works, i also copy what other players do with my main (bub main btw)
Ik Mabushin has been a really good Seox for a while now but if you’ve been watching matches you’ve probably seen some of his stuff
Ik Huebert picked him up as well
I just find videos on certain character I want to play or just play against friends to help learn some characters
The ingame resources teach you like basically nothing if youve been playing fighting games but im trying to learn yuel and theres like no content out at all
Aye thanks for the entertainment man
Main game material?
Any tips? I’m new to the game itself so I’m trying to figure out which character is best for a beginner.
Gran is pretty good beginner pick, teaching you the basics of the game and all of that, Djeeta is a bit more rushdowny, Siegfried is pretty good and is also pretty easy, he's slower than the other 2 but with larger pokes, Katalina is a really solid beginner pick, and for other character recommendations just throwing out random archetypes, Ladiva is a grappler, Lancelot has insane rushdown, Ferry and Metera are both zoners but Ferry is more attack based while Metera is projectile based, and Soriz is a straight up brawler and he rules
also for tips on the game, just know your best pokes for your character, what can combo out of them and the best corner combo for your character, damage in this game seems low till you get to the corner, if you hit them while in the corner MAKE. IT. HURT. if you dont do technical inputs yet, do them they're massively better than the shortcuts even tho shortcuts do have their uses like 1 button DP's/supers, and finally dont be afraid of using too many EX moves, they come back decently quickly and are how you do most if not all your high damage combos, both midscreen and in the corner.
Everyone is strong in some way. Prob best to pick the char that matches your playstyle the most
Im very green to 2d fighting games and I picked up the free edition of this game hoping to maybe try to get into it but as someone with very little experience and knowledge of fighting games its a big struggle for me. I feel like its just hard in general to learn any fighting games. I can attempt to follow a combo guides but i dont really know what im actually learning and the in game tutorials teach you things that half the time dont work online. Then i end up getting to frustrated and stop trying. I wanted to get into the new Tekken 8 coming but i start to feel like fighting games are maybe not for me. Do you or anyone form the comments have any tips for a fresh new to fighting games player like myself?
Learn fundamentals first! Proper offense, punishes, blocking, find your main then do some combo learning
Thank you! Offense is something i definitely lack in. Combos and trying to build the muscle memory gets tough especially when im playing a real player. Its like all i learned goes out the window. Blocking i feel im ok at. im patient enough to block most of what comes at me and not to always mash out of block and get baited.
I honestly believe just build muscle memory in ranked at first, a lot of people say grind training mode but that isn't fun for a while for most, over time you will start to notice improvement
Finding the right character for you is all huge
Thanks! I actually have been trying this and thing you're right on that. I did some training to learn but went right into ranked to try and put myself to the test. I have been losing more then anything and have been getting frustrated a lot but its better then hitting bots.
Lotus!!!
Letz go where ma Zeta mains at!!?
I think it's because so many fighting games released at a very close period, content creators are overwhelmed to even properly play one.
SF6 & dlc characters, MK1 & dlc characters, Tekken 8 betas & demo, DBFZ rollback, Strive new character, GBVSR, Tekken 8 releasing next month, then UNI 2.
You learn by playing I guess...? I just would look up for combos every now and then, and see potential playstyles checking proplayers sets on TH-cam (there's quite a few already), and that would be enough to reach S back in the first iteration of the game... Right now is working the same for me in Rising. Dunno, imo this version is more begginer friendly and you get better pretty fast by just paying sttention to opponents. Running attacks are strong, overheads are easier to do (and faster I feel, are they still 6 framed?) and bravery points are super important, that's all I feel is different and important.
I’m a seox main and one of the oki setups I do in the corner which forces a mix up is after doing EX rekka into heavy and EX projectile I do a full heavy auto combo which places you right under the opponent and do his jump off the wall attack but hold it to cancel. As the opponents landing you can either go overhead, low or throw. Hope this helps!
I've mainly been learning by trial and error. Sometimes there is a good video of "High level" play that features the characters I play. Though most of the time it is players spamming Dash Light and getting a counter hit combo for a W. I'm looking for more nuanced stuff for match ups and all that or how to deal with very specific situations/moves. It has been a big let down so far, but I'm invested into the franchise (playing the mobile game for around a year, bought both fighting games and have been hype for Relink the past 6 or so years.) so I definitely don't mind learning by myself. Would be dope if there was a Quwataro type creator for Rising.
Also Seox is called Six by the community. He is the sixth Eternal. The Eternals (or Jotuuns) are masters of their respective weapons. (there are ten weapon types in the game so there are ten Eternals) We mainly use the Spanish number names but if you say the English numbers people generally know who you mean. Anre(Uno), Tweyen(Dos), Threo/Sarasa(Tres), Feower(Four/Quatro), Fif(Five/Cinco), Seox(Six/Seis), Seofon(Siete), Eahta(Okto/Ocho), Niyon (Nine/Nueve) and Tien(Ten/Diez). I've personally heard the English variants more for the latter six but have included the Spanish for completeness.
Siegfried is my oshi(my star character) in the original game. He is my absolutely favourite character followed by Izmir(Larana) and Stan and Aliza. That guy was tight. Definitely have to super jump his medium fireball or evade it. It has super slow start-up so it can be challenged pretty easily. The main purpose of it is for him to walk behind it so he can get in on match-ups against zoners. Ferry is still stupid hard for me to fight though.
Dustloop has a decent amount of frame data up already, it has helped me learn at least where I can *try* to contest.
Where am I learning where to play this game? Ironically the actual discord, I'd watch posts of said character. Otherwise, I look at the wiki and just theorize and test shit. I would argue that most of the game is learning where you're allowed to mash your BnB's and go from there. Btw Vasaraga main
PS: vod/script training room of learning the specifics of MUs.
It's kind of a weird spot for new guides in the old characters. The old guides already exist, and interest is naturally lower for them, so there's not much incentive, specially with it being a "simple" game.
All I really got for you in regards to learning would be dustloops, as Granblue fantasy does in fact have its own section on the site, both the original and rising, and most of the originals gameplay has carried over so you can just use the knowledge on dustloops about the original.
Hey man, I randomly matched up against you when this vid dropped. It was a dope surprise to end my session and close games! Love your videos as well, your Seox is nasty.
I dont actually have a way to play the game because i lack a console or good computer but my friends play with me through steam remote play 😂. I really like seox gran and belial
In terms of learning resources I've really liked Diaphone's guides, but I'm biased cuz he's covered my character. Might still be helpful to help with some matchup knowledge. You could also check out some guides for the original game as I imagine most of their advice would still apply. My friend has also told me to spam 66L to start pressure and that's really helped.
after hit confirming heavy rekkas mid screen, you to do cr. medium into raging strike
ima start playin this game soon tho just gotta figure out who to main
The Highest Rank for Rising is the same as SF6
Seigfreid is utterly insane
i’ve been scraping together vira tips from watching high level replays and even non English players and seeing how they play
but ive found a few more vira specific videos to watch instead of just watching replays
the mount of djeeta and gran players i encunterred is insane and i don't know i feel salty wen beaten by basic plain vanilla characters hahaha
been playing Siegfried. little quirk I found in my last Seox match, if you don't delay rekkas to frame trap him then Sieg can mash H and screw up most of your enders. Dash back gets caught by far H and close H stuffs overhead and dash through.
Love the commentary! Really fun to watch. Feel a bit sad you can't find many Seox resources. Do characters have discords for this game? If you ever want to switch, the Cag community seem very great at putting out guides for the basics, setups and neutral c:
Hey, speaking of your thoughts on the resources available in game to learn, I feel like as a more casual player, this game is absolutely amazing in terms of what it offers. It explains everything you need to know very well and I didnt feel lost or overwhelmed by it all. Now sure, I guess if youre trying to learn more in-depth stuff, I wouldnt know about it, but I feel like at that point that isnt on the game to teach you but the community\yourself to grow from experience
I’ve always thought the game looked nice, I just suck at fighting games to learn. Granted, I am willing to put in the time to learn characters when I get my hands on the game.
It does have a free version if you wanna try it out
@@TheDsLeet Does it rely on PS Plus?
@@tdemonicss Ye, I think the free version can only be played online
@@TheDsLeet It can still be played offline, but I've only had the free version with ps plus. I wanna save up for the full game and all.
Hey Lotus( and other viewers if you want to chip in your own opinions), I’ve seen a lot for this game and played the free version, it seems fun but I couldn’t play the characters that I wanted to try, is it worth getting?
just had a thought, since you know a lot of these content creators, why not make a collab video where one of them teaches you some of the more advanced aspects of the game. Since that kind of content is kinda sparse at the moment, it would probably get a lot of views.
Look for メノ(Meno). He already has BnBs for most of the cast, including Seox.
I think the key to getting better at this game is patience. I notice that some players try to just run at you and press. But you really just want to control your space and let your opponent over extend. Seox has a move that lets your retreat for free, when you retreat just hold your space until your opponent tries walk forward or jump and react accordingly
Training mode has everything you need. You can peep the properties on all the moves by hitting triangle i believe. Then on the third tab they got a combo load out for ya. Outside that you'll have to go get smashed online to pick up stuff.
To learn I try to find some content on youtube but other way to learn is going to the ranking session and watch the best 3 players with your character, I learned a lot with this ^^
Seox is a very safe, conditioning based character who can alter jump arcs to bait anti-airs and such. He usually needs to dump a lot of resources to do big damage but in turn you get to fuck with your opponent a lot. Weaving in and out of attack range is super important