Also… Barbie was fun, but as a woman/feminist living in the real world, it falls incredibly short. In my country, before turning 29, being kidnapped for sexual trafficking is a real fear. And from 30 to 40 years, it is more likely to die from a femicide (usually perpetrated by current or past romantic partners) than from many diseases. Most women’s main problem is really not cellulite.
Such an important point! Yeah I noticed they touched very lightly on the more violent implications of patriarchy, but it definitely wasn’t enough to (and probably didn’t want to) actually address anything in a serious manner. Which, again, is fine! But touting the film as a groundbreaking feminist work doesn’t make sense for many reasons.
Yes. Exactly. and the thing is the things you listed, to a lesser degree, are problems in the US, UK and other places that adopt this feminism... but they refuse to acknowledge it, because it happens to poor people. not them, and we arent real to them. so why would they acknowledge our issues? they go so far as to joke about them as if they are not real. This is exactly why i couldnt enjoy barbie. it was the discourse. its just a movie, its not special or important.
I just think it was really funny and indicative of pop culture feminism when it’s “uplift other women” until your favorite movie isn’t nominated for 10 awards instead of 8.
I wonder how much the "they should have been nominated for those" is related to the common idea that if something isn't perfect then it's bad. They didn't explicitly get the Right nomination, so the ones they got are meaningless.
I kinda think the only awards it really deserved were the production design ones Like it’s basically just another blockbuster movie but in pink this time
It’s funny how the people outraged over the snub overlook the fact that this year set the record for highest number of films directed by women to ever be nominated for Best Picture in a single year (3 films: ANATOMY OF A FALL, BARBIE, and PAST LIVES) as well as the first time multiple non-English language films are nominated for Best Picture as well (PAST LIVES, ANATOMY OF A FALL, and THE ZONE OF INTEREST), and also that there’s a woman among the director nominees (Justine Triet). Why aren’t they mentioning these things at all? What do you think?
I honestly hate how no one is acknowledging America's nomination because it goes against their narrative! America! Congratulations girl! I'm so hyped for you ❤❤
I wish I could like this more times. You really hit the nail on the head about what has been irking me around this conversation. I really don't have much to add but I'll be damned if I don't leave a comment for the algorithm, lol.
I'm a 19 yo girl, I found barbie really fun and consider myself a feminist, but I really disliked the message of this movie. Ken being mistreated everytime and then becoming the villain is really not what I wanted to see, and tbh, ken was indeed the best part of the movie. He was such a lovable obsessed goofball and I love him. The monologue about being a woman that led everyone supposedly to tears was so shallow in my opinion. This whole movie was shallow. The mother daughter plot was atrociously shallow, the message, everything. Ken was the punching bag everytime and it makes me so sad cause we've spend years trying to convince ppl that feminism has nothing to do with hating man and then this comes out. this movie was disappointing. And the rage ppl are feeling about margot and greta "not being" nominated is the perfect picture of (I'm a white girl, but I'm not blind) white liberal feminism. because "having cellulite is way more difficult than feminicide, guys 😔". But I did enjoy the theme of emotional maturity the film brought. As a childlike girl in my late teens (that also spent 2 years locked at home so I'm kinda still 17 mentally lol), this spoke to me, really. I have been told my whole life that I look like a doll (not like barbie, more like a porcelain one, they say lol), and I've had for years this obsession with perfection, looking unrealistically cute, but I also feel to much, I'm way more human than I wanted to be. I'm also very naive, and this movie made me remember the time I realized I wasn't safe; that man saw me as an object, that no adult would protect me. and it hits hard, dude. so yeah, that was the part I liked the most. and ken. oh boy, I love ken. and don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a movie having a shallow message, it's just that everyone paints barbie as this subversive masterpiece and gets so offended someone dares to point something they dislike about it. that's why I had to say I'm a girl whilw writing this. cause if not, someone would easily call me a misogynistic pig that doesn't get art. in short, enchanted did it better.
100%. barbie was a box office hit for a reason - when art is shallow, it is almost guaranteed a wider audience (because no one likes to be uncomfortable). there was nothing "groundbreaking" in barbie. the only character i empathized/sympathized with was ken, and i don't think that was the film's intent. honestly the whole thing was confusing when it came to the "real" roles of men and women in society. and tbh, i'm surpised it's nominated in acting categories at the oscars. i thought the film looked great (especially production design), but, as you said, it was just a "fun" hit that is too surface-level and juvenile to be such a big winner imo.
If you compare Barbie to As Good As It Gets and Blue Jasmine, Barbie except for production design probably shouldn't have been nominated for anything. How is it different from Enchanted? I think it's because audiences have been conditioned by Marvel and CGI and diversity and average looking characters for so long. That's why Barbie was a breath of fresh air.
FINALLY. Someone said it. Well done. I have been my entire life a massive Barbie fan so I was expecting a lot out of this movie and I have to say I was deeply disappointed. Just like you pointed out, it felt so very shallow. It didn't have any kind of the magic of the animated Barbie movies, for example - which, okay, good, I understand, they went on the realism path, so it's normal it didn't-, but the storyline they chose instead felt like it wanted to touch certain points without actually taking the time to analyze why it would do that. Having seen this movie four times, I can say without a doubt that the only thing that I liked from the female characters' perspective is Barbie's personal journey of meaning - I cry everytime we see her POV of the world as it is and the ending scene when she chooses to be human. You know what I can say that is my favorite part of the movie overall? Ryan's Ken. Ryan's Ken and even the damn Mattel crowd are my favorites because they made genuinely good comedy and made me genuinely laugh every single time. And for a movie that wants to be about the women of this world, the fact that the only characters I could genuinely understand or at least enjoy watching were mostly the male ones is simply sad.
Yep, focusing on so-called "snubs" and ignoring all of the incredibly talented people who have been nominated is certainly...a thing... ...they did... ...a choice... ...they made... Yeah, some people need a little perspective.
Whenever someone blames Progressives, I point out that the Democratic party helped Trump to win the nomination because Hillary and DWS thought it would be a slam dunk in the general.
THIS was everything I've been feeling about the whole barbie-movie phenomenon. As an old white dude, I have zero personal attachment to the brand, but as a lifelong activist I had all the concerns about barbie, matell, & capitalism. It's ust that you, Alice, summed it up so evenhandly&beautifully that I posted this vid to my social media... And become a first time subber, NOT "snubber"!
I was dissapointed that Greta Gerwig didn't get a Best Director nomination but i have to admit that her competition was extremely tough and the Best Director lineup for this year was one of the best I've seen so yeah okay, just your normal Oscar lol. It's a good thing that it took me like a day to move on from this whole snub thing, i'm already used to it 😂
@@aliciavquinn I have seen the entire lineup, and frankly, all 5 of them deserved it in my view. I was so happy to see Justine Triet nominated for Directing. THE ZONE OF INTEREST was also deserving of that nomination too, and extremely relevant to modern times.
The competition for Best Actress is also really tough this year, there's loads of great performances aside from Margot Robbie that didn't even get nominated (Greta Lee really stung), and even amongst the actual nominees there's three who could potentially win and not be considered much of an upset (Lily Gladstone seems to be the favourite, but I don't think there'll be much uproar if Emma Stone or Sandra Huller wins instead)
I wonder what connections can be drawn between the perpetuation of those things that are not just - problematic beauty standards, working conditions, ecological and humane atrocities, etc. And the toys of the past. It'd be like the "Toys that made us" but "The toys that made us stop thinking" Like how Captain Planet's one-dimensional baddies were depicted as slovenly and with direct desire to destroy the environment, instead of the more nuanced realization that pollution is often a result of exploitation for a goal. Great video! I started following for the fashion but definitely sticking around for these compelling and well thought out essays.
What an intriguing consideration. I’ll admit I don’t know much about the toy industry, but bet there’s a lot of comparisons that can be drawn. It’s all connected! And thank you kindly :)
Everyone was mad about Greta and Margot not getting nominated, but I was suprised the movie had any nominations at all. I don't think it's a bad movie. I quite liked it but the whole narrative about it being a feminist manifesto is so weird to me. The monologue scene that is being praised sounds like 12 year olds shower thoughts, that doesn't mean I disagree with it. But I think it was extremely shallow and maybe if it was delivered by a little girl or Barbie who was so new to the real world, it would make more sense. And every time you mention that this movie might be problematic in some areas, its fans will come at you saying 'well it's a comedy and a family movie, it can't be too serious' and I get it, but simultaneously, they made it to be the greatest feminist movie ever made. And asking different actresses, especially actresses of color, what do they think of Oscars snubbing Greta and Margot gives me the same energy when someone asked Youn Yuh-jung how does Brad Pitt smells like after she just won an Oscar. Thank you for this material I could finally rant about this movie.
@@phoenixfritzinger9185 I agree production and design were great but I think they need more for best picture than technical aspects so I'll be suprised if it wins
I hope you make a lot more of these video essays! This was an excellent examination, and when I went to see what other essays you've posted, was bummed to see this is only your third! I hope to see more in the future - keep doing what you do! :)
I said the day I saw it that 'Barbie is not a feminist film, it's a male apologist film for people who hate Barbie,' and was immediately attacked as being anti-woman and clueless about art. But I stand by that. From a cinematic perspective, Barbie underwent no inner change, only external peer pressuring to abandon a coping mechanism women have (with debatable success) used to escape patriarchy for millennia: beauty, and an insular female perspective. Essentially, that's (remember all the mermaid and makeup escapism?) where 2010s feminism came from, which is why its foundation is so wonky, and Gerwig and Robbie could not extricate pedestaling the male perspective from true woman-centric storytelling. From the craft perspective, Ken is the only one with a full story arc. He has the best song. He undergoes real character development. He's likable. Barbie, by contrast, only exists in the context of the perspectives and needs of the people (or toys) around her, an innately antifeminist take. Her plot was also lost halfway through, and her reward for "waking up" (cough, being mean girl'd into adopting a different perspective) was... what? A gynecology visit? Surrendering power and agency to become completely dependent on a "typical" dysfunctional American family that high key resents her? Of course that won't get an Oscar. It doesn't even track. Barbie chooses subservience, and continues to lack personality or personal agency. She's not even a fun character. Barbie didn't deserve an Oscar, but women deserve better. I think the first thing we need to do, as women, is learn ourselves more, and introspect a little more deeply on who we really are, and what our REAL stories are, before we try to tell a broadly "feminist" story. And yes, also do all the things you said about needing to be more intersectional. But like, changing the white balance won't fix the antifeminist nature of narratives like this until we understand what is a true story of women from the female perspective, and what is just a typical male-centric romcom wrapped in a feminist plot. There WAS a feminist story to be told in Barbie... it just wasn't Ken's.
I don't think you can call a film that paints all men as either idiotic, easily duped, predatory, and incompetent as "male apologist." The one male character who isn't any of these, Allan, is only portrayed positively, ironically, for performance "patriarchal" male behavior like using violence to defend the women in the film. Even the fact you use a term like "male apologist" is rather icky in and of itself.
Oh cool so you are a male apologist. Good to clear that up before we get started,@@nope5657 . The "all men as either idiotic, easily duped, predatory, and incompetent" thing you mentioned has a long history in feminist discourse. Specifically, the thing men do where they allow themselves to be perceived as 'idiotic' in sitcoms and life is known as "weaponized incompetence," and I'll let you look that up. Incidentally, I agree Allan was one of the best parts of the film... but there's a storytelling craft reason why that is, not a patriarchal one. Correlation does not imply causation. Allan is not likable because he's "more masculine" than Ken; he's likable because he's the only one who's motives are unclear in a movie that is blunt to the point of infantilizing. Why does Allen always follow Ken around? Why does he care that Barbieland goes back to the way it was? Surely, Allen being a man, he'd prefer the mojo dojo casa house to Barbieland, no? These are never answered in film, only posited. As such, the audience feels greater investment in what he will do. Both Allan and Ken have superior characterization and inner struggle to any of the female "leads," confirming that they, not Barbie, are where the filmmaker wants our attention to go in this film. You can read the book "Story Genius," by Lisa Cron for a more thorough explanation of the difference between 'plot' and 'story,' and how a viewer/reader's attention is directed through a film/book.
Nice to hear these ideas put like this; seeing the movie objectively without a primarily emotive response. For some reason it seems people have difficulty doing that with a lot of media and art. I appreciate how intelligent and articulate you are
There’s nothing “sus” about a best picture nominee missing out on a direction nomination. It’s happened several times in the past. Nominations for director are chosen by directors, whereas best picture nominations are made by the entire voting body. Directors are going to be better at recognising the subtle distinction between “good” movie and well-directed movie. Some movies with pedestrian, workmanlike, unremarkable or adequate direction can nonetheless seem very impressive to a general audience because, for example, the screenplay or the production design is so strong. The tendency for people to think of the director as the “author” of the film - for which we can probably blame the French “Auteur” critics of the 50s and 60s - has led people to erroneously credit directors for everything they like about a film.
Great video as always! Loved the points you made and completely agreed with it. Barbie is a great movie and everyone who worked on the film should be proud. Glad you touched on a number of things that people seemed to just gloss over when talking about the movie
wow i’m in the pool and found your page while searching for something to just listen to and you’ve supplied! this is my third video watching of yours in this short pool party (alone) and i’m obsessed! keep up the great work:)
how is it possible that people believe that margot robbie didn't get a nomination for best ACTRESS... because she's a woman?? anyway, the fact that barbie (which isn't exactly what you'd expect to be an oscar darling) got EIGHT nominations is already remarkable, people are throwing this way out of proportion. best director and best actor / actress nominations are hard enough to get in the worst years for film, because EVERY film has a director and a lead actor lmao. add in that this year was actually a pretty good film year and therefore the competition was stacked, i wasn't really expecting greta or margot to get those specific nominations in the first place (i could **maybe** see greta getting a best director nom, but considering all the stunning performances this year, i didn't think margot would get this one) if you want to talk about oscar snubs, godzilla minus one didn't get nominationed for best international feature film :-(... though it was nomination for visual effects, which it deserves, especially on its budget!
@@aliciavquinn thank you. the amount of "barbie was snubbed" takes on my feed have had me losing my mind a little, so seeing videos like yours that criticize that take is a breath of fresh air :-) and gm1 definitely deserves the raves. if you haven't seen it and still want to catch it its currently in cinemas again in black and white lmao.. and i might be going to see it a third time...
Lets be honest, the movie was very enjoyable and the story was fun but the pre-school level, on the nose message and performances do not deserve oscar nominations.
One thing about the snubbing, is that at no point they are saying that Margot Robbie was a better actress than any of the five nominated. Or that Greta Gerwig is a better director. They didn't reduced the nominations to four to exclude Barbie. They just voted for other actresses than Robbie and other directors than Gerwig. I would probably put Robbie above Gladstone -don't get me wrong: Gladstone had a very solid performance, but that wasn't a leading role, and I don't think it was particularly challenging-, or Benning -I haven't seen Nyad, so I don't have a personal opinion-. If they had focused the criticism on the fact that Robbie was snubbed against inferior performances, the criticism would be more solid. But the cry seem to be focused on the fact that “the feminist film got snubbed.”
It's really unfortunate but I'm not shocked at white feminism throwing the rest of us under the bus yet again. So proud of my Indigenous babes America Ferrera and Lily Gladstone! Lily is my favorite actor!
This conversation needs to be spread more because the outrage towards the lack of noms for Margot and Greta is giving so much “2018 Women’s March” energy.
Being in my 40s I've been fed up with the bs out of barbie since the 1900s. This year I'm waiting for tradwife barbie. On the upside. .. the driving support behind the brand is not staying current. While the movie mucked up a bunch of money, it did not do much to generate new interest. The current generation I've witnessed in school have become more resistant to the Barbie Aesthetic due to the perceived Karen connection
I'm thinking the outrage over Robbie and Gerwig "not being nominated" was actually calculated marketing by executives. It was almost as if life imitated art, which is so weird.
I, a gay guy who loved Barbie as a child, watched the movie with five female friends (3 out of 5 didn´t liked it and only one thought it was okay). I knew that there would be some feminism included bc Barbie just is a feminist icon. But it was just "too much". Greta Gerwig clearly knew nothing about Barbie and Barbie lore. There was way too much focus on the symbolism so that the actual story didn´t made any sense. Also, why is Barbie leaving Barbieworld to help a random woman? LIke why didn´t the doll that was played with became alive? Why "THE" Barbie? And why did she only start feeling sad when that one woman played with her? Also the Ending? Like "the Kens become equal qhen women in the real world are" what? There are many women in position of power. Back then Barbie AND Ken had many different jobs in many different areas like Astronaut Ken AND astronaut Barbie. Also Barbie world is supposed to be a role model "how it should be" world, so why no equality?
I have no idea how the oscars work but i assume that most of the critics and higher ups are male (like everything else in the world with positions of “power”). And i think many men may view “feminine” things as trivial and not as important or they cant even understand it while a woman/girl can. I would love to see more examples of matriarchal societies or even just a majority of women in power and see what happens then. If a majority of the film critics at the oscars were female what would change? I didn’t like the Barbie movie that much and agree with a lot of your points critiquing it but there are so many woman focused movies and tv shows that barely if ever get recognized and I genuinely think they are amazing media pieces and would be recognized as such if there were more women in power. (And im not blaming men as I dont understand a lot of male focused media so I get it how some men may not understand female centered media)
I’m actually in the middle of writing a whole video on the problematic history of awards shows because there’s just SO much 😅 but the Academy is made up of actors, writers, directors, costume designers, makeup artists, producers and other industry professionals. Nominations are mostly decided by members of the relevant branch (i.e. directors nominate directors), and all vote for Best Picture. In recent years, they have had to implement representation and diversity standards for Academy members as well as the films they nominate, because yup exactly - it was a mostly a bunch of old white men voting for other white men (and even with their inclusion efforts to include more members from underrepresented communities…the progress is nothing to marvel at).
While Gladstone is the first Native American actress nominated for Best Actress, the honour of first indigenous actress nominated in that category goes to Yalitza Aparicio for 'Roma'. I personally however would have swapped out Annette Bening for 'Nyad' with Greta Lee for 'Past Lives'. 2023 was just stacked. Also, the snubs I think are more egregious are Lee, Charles Melton and John Magaro missing out on Supporting Actor noms for 'May December' and 'Past Lives' respectively and 'All of Us Strangers' getting shut out completely (Searchlight, I know you prioritised 'Poor Things' but you have successfully managed multi-film campaigns in the past).
That why I very specifically said one of the first indigenous 😊 I’ve seen many call her the first - which as you pointed, isn’t quite true. This year is definitely unusually stacked! I agree - I thought Charles Melton was fantastic in May December.
If you mean *indigenous American women,* then yes you’re right about Yalitza Aparicio being the first to be nominated for “Best Actress”. However, Merle Oberon and Keisha Castle-Hughes, who are of *Māori* descent, were nominated for “Best Actress” Oscars long before Yalitza Aparicio was.
@@beethovensfidelio thought that was what they meant. I remember watching Whale Rider when I was little and being so mesmerized by Keisha Castle-Hughes.
I love this video and agree with almost everything, but I think the point people are trying to make about the costume designer award is less that costume design isn't a valuable and important job but more like, the Academy is more willing to recognize women in costume design than women directors because directing is traditionally considered a "man's" job
Oh trust I understand that and appreciate that perspective! I do see a lot of people dismissing costume designers tho…and thought it was weird to gripe about in this instance particularly, as Barbie is SO deserving of recognition for its costumes. And also since there are 3 Best Picture nominations directed by women, and 2 of them are up for Best Director. To me personally didn’t seem like Greta not being nominated had anything to do with her being a woman this go around. And 8 Oscar noms for a film that wouldn’t typically be a favorite of the Academy is still great 😊
Hey! That was really great. This video I mean. This is the first video of yours I've seen, so thank TH-cam for sharing. I haven't seen the film, but if I were to use the film as a means of learning how to do things right or wrong regarding the representation of women in a film or TV show, this would be the film to use as practice. Thanks for all the insight of your video. I do children's books and often wonder how much thought I have to put into various characters, especially now with all eyes upon popular culture.
the movie is good. the visuals are great, the outfits are cute and its very obvious everyone involved put in a lot of effort into the movie. but people put barbie over the line with so much acclaim about its feminism, as if the feminism in the film - both indirect and direct - is brief, broad and lacks nuance. when gloria (the mum) rants about the struggles of being a woman in society, she doesn't mention aspects like race, disability and sexuality that strongly influence how different types of women are treated. a white billionaire straight cis woman experiences a very limited and avoidable amount of misogyny, as opposed to a poor chronically ill black woman. there is a difference and the film kind of brushes that aside. so yes, the movie has a good message, but it doesn't critique the patriarchy and promote feminism in the best way possible. its social commentary is not on the level of parasite or the hate u give? no, and that's okay, but idk why so many people online are acting so.
My main problem with all the crapola is when people say that Ryan Gosling slammed anyone. He says he is honored to be nominated when there were so many good actors and movies. He gives Greta and Margot credit for there even being a Barbie movie and for letting him be in it. He says he is disappointed they were not nominated. He is really good in the movie and so is America. I would hope that all nominees would give credit to their fellow co-stars, and anyone involved in the movie, especially one that made over a billion dollars. I saw one idiot yesterday going after him for not giving up his. From listening to Margot and Greta interviews I am guessing that neither one would suggest Ryan or America giving up their nominations any more than they would want to give up the rest of the nominations for Barbie.
This is the problem when people immediately graft their politics onto everything they watch. Imagine being so deranged as to rail against anyone that dares not stan for the billion dollar toy movie.
Thank you! this is some well needed information, i did not know that they got nominated in other things, i thought that was quite unfair that only get got nominated but know i know the whole picture, thank you! Also, you would fit in so great as a Barbie in Barbie 2 movie, You got the looks ;).
Yeah definitely! A lot of people I spoke to were surprised they were actually nominated, which makes sense given the ✨reaction✨ haha. Thanks for watching!!
I am a 64-year-old Australian agitator and advocate for revolutionary change. Domestic Violence and the abuse of the disabled and mentally ill are the issues that I focus on because they reflect the complete lack of concern for working people. All government initiatives are window dressing and are criminally underfunded and under-resourced . "The feminists" who run DV shelters are "corporate feminists" who understand nothing about the personality disorders that are present in the majority of cases (narcissistic aggressors, borderline victims) and do a great disservice to women, who if they recognised that had issues could seek help, not only saving lives but breaking the cycle underpinned by excruiting sefl loathing and feelings of worthlessness. In fact I do not see this being addressed all Feminism, as with the left in totality, is practised in words only. Not a word is mentioned about imperialism, that appears to be tacitly agreed is a taboo subject, as that would require removing war criminals from power and holding them to account. Where were the left with the Eygptian people rose up and removed their dictator, and what was done to support the women in Iran being murdered in broad daylight. Thousand take to the streets over the genocide being perpetrated in Palestine, while voting for the war criminals that supply Israel with the weapons of mass murder they employ The second paragraph of the declaration of indepence states that it is the duty of every citizen to throw off despotic government to ensure the prosperity of future generations. The future for our youth today, is bleak to say the least. Barbie was just another pacifier for the left to suck on. And it is not as if this was not forwarned "We cannot here enter into an examination of the special problem of the duration of the American crisis and its possible depth. This is a question of conjuncture and not of program. It goes without saying that in our opinion the inevitability of a crisis is entirely beyond doubt; nor, considering the present world scope of American capitalism, do we think it is out of the question that the very next crisis will attain extremely great depth and sharpness. But there is no justification whatsoever for the attempt to conclude from this that the hegemony of North America will be restricted or weakened. Such a conclusion can lead only to the grossest strategical errors. Just the contrary is the case. In the period of crisis the hegemony of the United States will operate more completely, more openly, and more ruthlessly than in the period of boom. The United States will seek to overcome and extricate herself from her difficulties and maladies primarily at the expense of Europe, regardless of whether this occurs in Asia, Canada, South America, Australia, or Europe itself, or whether this takes place peacefully or through war. We must clearly understand that if the first period of American intervention had the effect of stabilization and pacification on Europe, which to a considerable extent still remains in force today, and may even recur episodically and become stronger (particularly in the event of new defeats of the proletariat), the general line of American policy, particularly in time of its own economic difficulties and crisis, will engender the deepest convulsions in Europe as well as over the entire world. From this we draw the not unimportant conclusion that there will be no more lack of revolutionary situations in the next decade than in the past decade. That is why it is of utmost importance to understand correctly the mainsprings of development so that we may not be caught unawares by their action. If in the past decade the main source of revolutionary situations lay in the direct consequences of the imperialist war, in the second post-war decade the most important source of revolutionary upheavals will be the interrelations of Europe and America. A major crisis in the United States will strike the tocsin for new wars and revolutions. We repeat: there will be no lack of revolutionary situations. The entire question hinges upon the international party of the proletariat, the maturity and fighting ability of the Comintern, and the correctness of its strategical position and tactical methods." L Trotsky The third international after Lenin 1928
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Finally got the time to watch it! Thanks for your very thoughtful analysis and commentary. I like how you rounded aspects from representation to structural problems in a very nuanced way. Also, the warning(?) that we can be critical of the things we like is so important. A few years ago there was a controversy with some videos about video games (very good videos, btw) and the presenter always said that, but almost no one seemed to even listen. The best for me was the final conclusion, "Life in plastic may not be fantastic" XD. I'm looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on other media-related topics!
Thank you very much, as always! So kind. And I agree! Nuance is often a stranger to the internet. Another sometimes necessary warning(?) is that someone criticizing or disliking something you like is not a personal attack - l’ve had to talk someone down many a time, like it’s fine to disagree, but please don’t be offended by my mere mortal opinion 😭
Babylon came out in 2022, so it was nominated for several awards in 2023. Margot Robbie received a Golden Globe nomination for her role in Babylon for Best Actress in a Musical or Comedy, but she didn’t win and was not nominated for an Oscar (Michelle Yeoh won the Golden Globe and Oscar that year for her role in EEAAO. Absolutely deserved no question in my mind!)
just had this video recommended to me, wish I had this to watch while I was still fuming over the ‘Greta didn’t get best director oh no our lives are ruined’ thing 😂 one thing I always thought was crazy was how people seemed to think the chances for barbenheimer to win best picture were relatively equal… guess which movie came back with 7 oscars and which one achieved a total of zero (if you don’t count wwimf) ?? Honestly, I’m glad the academy humbled those people.
Please don’t take this as anything other than an objective observation bc I’m in a rare ‘feeling nice’ mood today and I’m sure I’d hate you in real life or, at the very least, you would surely hate me but, you are shockingly pretty
@@aliciavquinn I'm an author (and educator) who has published on racism and related things, so I'm always trying to support folks with the ability to look honestly at issues that may include them. As for the movie, I think the most radical thing about it was the implication of the loneliness of masculine expectations.
When it comes to Geta's films being seen as "white femism", I don't think it is, at the end of the day, people tend to write what they know, and if you grew up being a white woman, it makes sense to write your relatable characters to be like you, obviously art can be used as a chance to write about all different types of people, but at the end of the day, you don't have to if you don't want to, if it's not for you, you can sit aside and let different people write their stories as well as others
The issue isn’t at all with her writing what she knows - I’d say what she knows often manifests in incredibly moving and complex storytelling. Still, we can recognize the limitations of the ideologies promoted in such films. Labeling white-centered stories as universally “feminist” ignores complex gender hierarchies and is in line with white, mainstream feminism. Barbie has shortcomings in its feminism directly related to its lack of intersectionality and its attachment to an exploitative and inherently anti-feminist corporation. The overreaction to the Barbie/Oscars nominations centered on Margot and Greta mirror that precisely in my opinion - as someone else put it, “white feminism imitates white feminist art.”
@@aliciavquinn we're all human. Anyway, I really liked the video and it was cathartic to hear everything I've been feeling put into words, so thank you for this! 🙂
Margot was terrific in "Barbie." The major problem with her performance is that it's upstaged halfway through the film by America Ferrara's character, Gloria. Who delivers the monologue that everyone leaving the theater talks about? Who heads out on the road with Allan before deciding to turn back and fix Barbieland? Who masterminds the big plan to win Barbieland back? Who deprograms all the Barbies? It's usually the lead character- who's confronted with the film's major conflict and then is expected to take charge and save the day. But instead it's fricking GLORIA that gets promoted to movie protagonist, cheating Barbie out of being the heroine in her own film. And that's because Gloria represents all the downtrodden and anxiety-filled women in the audience. That's why her cringey monologue- which had absolutely nothing to do with either Barbie or with what was going on in that scene.-was such an overwhelming slam dunk. This movie isn't about Barbie, ladies- it's really about all of you!! Barbie doesn't even get the flashy song and dance number near the end of the film! Even the movie's final climax isn't structured upon Barbie's moment of self-actualization, but Ken's! If Margot Robbie dominated the 2nd half of "Barbie" the way she did the 1st half, she would've secured that nomination. But the movie wouldn't let her. The real villain in "Barbie isn't the Kens or the patriarchy, it's fricking Gloria. Because Barbie was HAPPY with her life until Gloria whispered thoughts of death in her ear, and made her think she wasn't good enough as she was, and sent her into an existential crisis.Gloria gaslit Barbie through the entire movie with her doom and gloom stories of what it means to be a 'real woman.' And once Barbie crept off in her desperate quest to become somebody that will earn women's approval, Gloria stole the damn movie from her.
But even if you celebrate America's nomination and the fact that Barbie is nominated for best adapted script (which should've been original btw), there's no excuse for not nominating Greta for best director. Yes, Margot Robbie did a great job as Barbie, but you could argue her interpretation was not Oscar-worthy. However, Greta created a unique movie, with real settings, and creative choices, and even if you didn't like the film, if you understand about movie direction, you have to agree that she was ESPECTACULAR as a director. Really outstanding. There's no other movie like Barbie and the creative choices she made were amazing. It's not my favourite film this year, but it is my favourite direction choice by far. And so far, only SEVEN women have been nominated for best director in the history of the Oscars, so the fact that you couldn't have two women the in same category this year shows that there's a bias in this specific award. It's no secret that they value some prizes more than others. We are not downplaying the other awards they got nominated for, but it is right to point out how flawed the Best Direction award is.
You mention that neither of Greta's three Best Picture nominees were nominated for Best Director, but actually, Lady Bird was nominated for Best Director back in 2018 (making Greta herself only the fifth woman in history to get a Best Director nomination). There was also a similar outrage when she missed the Best Director nomination for Little Women.
I think your criticisms of Mattel (corporate performative and exploitative behavior) and outrage over Robbie and Gerwig Oscar "snubs" are well argued and very fair. However, I would like to quibble with your critique of the lack of intersectionalism in the movie itself. A movie, especially ones that seek to appeal to a broader audience, needs to be focused on a few themes. We've seen how bad a movie typically turns out when it tries to say too much. Barbie's theme centered around the female experience through the lens of a patriarchal context. Trying to cram ideas of how the patriarchy also harms males or struggles faced by minority groups would detract from the theme and water down the movie as a whole. While those other ideas are important, I'm not sure a mainstream blockbuster movie is the correct vehicle to explore these complex issues.
I’m not saying it’s the correct vehicle, either…But many have brought up valid criticisms that using a diverse cast for the sake of saying “it’s diverse!” and then not doing anything beyond that, while simultaneously attempting to tell a broadly feminist story through a white-centered lens just mirrors mainstream neoliberal white feminism. Really goes hand in hand with the “there is no universal woman” critique. It feels like shallow white feminism to talk about patriarchy and gender dynamics without any intersectionality. And, again, I don’t think the film was going for that, but it did enter itself into discourse on the subject, so it’s worth noting IMO.
I don’t think Margot Robbie’s performance in Barbie was more deserving than any of the Best Actress performances. I can honestly understand why she wasn’t nominated in that category. Honestly the same with Greta Gerwig, who I believe was snubbed for Little Women, actually. This year is unusually stacked, and though I loved Barbie, I don’t agree that that it was on the same level.
It happens all the time at the Oscars. “Jaws” was nominated for “Best Picture”, but not “Best Director” for Steven Spielberg. “The Prince of Tides” was nominated for “Best Picture”, but not “Best Director” for Barbra Streisand (to quote Billy Crystal’s response to Streisand’s snub at the Oscars, “Did the picture direct itself?”).
Alicia...you are an undeniably attractive, (not that matters for this situation--or, sometimes just life in general, for as both my patents used to remind my sister and myself--"someone's looks have no meaning to the sightless!'"-- exceptionally bright, even-handed, well-spoken, and individual. Now HOLD on...I'm getting there. Because I know statements like that can often lead to the dread: "BUUUUUT..."! (yes, the ellipsis purposely included. 😇) and then the hammer of disagreement comes crashing down like my hemline when suddenly realizing if was a "formal" event! Not THIS time. For I have much in agreement with your viewpoints, opinion, and estimation of things in your examination and presentation (It cooooould be called a "discussion", a comments can be left here--as I myself am doing! Hopefully with SOME degree of clarity and value. I'll do what I can) too many to have and interchange with you here. But as I say, I agree with nearly all you stated. We'll pass on the entire situation of the "Oscars" and I am going to pick from one point you brought up--which, whether you know it or not, it is the MOST important and purposeful one that can be part of ALL the rest. And, to paraphrase, that is/was: "Different aspects of an individuals identity interact with how the experience the world!" And as simple and obvious as that may seem and sound, it is one of the most complex issues of all individual beings since the advent of what is often thought of as "Modern Civilization". Few if anything is more complex, as no two creatures have the exact same experiences and upbringing whomever and whatever they might be and whenever and wherever time and country they have existed. And to some degree, it is both an unavoidable curse, and also a enriching blessing, and shall in all likelihood continue the human race eventually expires. It is, give or take, the way of things. However, personal malleability goes a long way to the blessing side of the scales. As long as minds are open--the is always a chance for understanding, and acceptance--with it tempered by compassion. With my tongue nowhere near being in my cheek, allow me to go on for at least a small bit here? I obviously already have, but allow me a personal point to add in about the mentioning of feminism (notice how no one, and I mean NO one, ever uses the term "masculisim"? Right--I hear you...aside from literally sounding idiotic, they already believe they are "in control" of the planet...they don't NEED a politicized term pointed at THEM! Oy!!) So anyway...back to the point at hand--yes, it is the way we are often viewed/treated by others; often those with minds shut tighter than a frog's rump in a hurricane; whatever might be part of any for of discrimination. I have experienced it in a VERY distinct and "specialized" way--sort of an small but sort of excusive way and category that doesn't get an award nominations of ANY kind--as a heterosexual white male, who is a devoted crossdresser. I simply LOVE and ADORE wearing the clothes that are, more or less specifically, created and intended for: women! They can often be SOOOO gorrrrgeous! Sensual in a "contentment" way that is incredibly so fulfilling. I adore feeling feminine!! Not necessarily feminized--as I'm not quite skilled enough to feel fully like or as a female--not to say an actual woman! And that's, well--IT! I'm not gay, a "trans" person, (unless the passe' term of "transvestite" is in the prefix), or desiring "Post-Op sex/gender change" surgery. I have been indulging in crossdressing for over 45 years! But, I have been ostracized by just about EVERY "group" or "political affiliation", philosophical organization,and/or religious organization, and just most "every day folks" most of my adult life. Seems that...until, say, perhaps the last ten-ish years, "folks" just couldn't seem to wrap their head around the concept of a "hetero guy", who just wants to dress as a woman! So, to summarize-ish: It all comes down to realizing the VALUE of every single worthwhile...I use that word specifically, the lunatics, criminals, manipulators, violent and at al etc such folks... human being then, now and into the future/tomorrow's! It's really the basic Golden Rule: "Do Unto Others...!" in whatever part(s) of "society" and race, creed, color, gender, LBGTO, you NAME it/us/them!! Let me close here for now with the very basic, direct, no nonsense or ways to misunderstand the clear and words of the brilliant comedian George Carling..."Save the planet...SAVE the PLANET?! It'll survive! It'll long outlive US! The PLANET is FINE...it's the PEOPLE that are F*CKED!" Not all, but still too damn many of em! Let's keep our fingers crossed("dressed") for the rest to catch on up. HUGS! 🥰🤞👌💖 If you'd ever like to "stop by" and have a chat--I'd ADORE it! I'm just over here on Instagram or Facebook. You might enjoy it! facebook.com/michael.roach.33/
Also… Barbie was fun, but as a woman/feminist living in the real world, it falls incredibly short. In my country, before turning 29, being kidnapped for sexual trafficking is a real fear. And from 30 to 40 years, it is more likely to die from a femicide (usually perpetrated by current or past romantic partners) than from many diseases. Most women’s main problem is really not cellulite.
Such an important point! Yeah I noticed they touched very lightly on the more violent implications of patriarchy, but it definitely wasn’t enough to (and probably didn’t want to) actually address anything in a serious manner. Which, again, is fine! But touting the film as a groundbreaking feminist work doesn’t make sense for many reasons.
Beautifully written. You are completely on point on everything. It is a fun movie but let’s not kid ourselves!
I am a big big fan BTW!! Thank you for responding ❤❤❤
Yes. Exactly. and the thing is the things you listed, to a lesser degree, are problems in the US, UK and other places that adopt this feminism... but they refuse to acknowledge it, because it happens to poor people. not them, and we arent real to them. so why would they acknowledge our issues? they go so far as to joke about them as if they are not real. This is exactly why i couldnt enjoy barbie. it was the discourse. its just a movie, its not special or important.
Hey Colombian here and thank you you exactly articulated it ❤
I just think it was really funny and indicative of pop culture feminism when it’s “uplift other women” until your favorite movie isn’t nominated for 10 awards instead of 8.
Some Barbie stans: "How dare our movie only got 8 nominations!"
Meanwhile, animation fans:
”You guys get nominations?”
I wonder how much the "they should have been nominated for those" is related to the common idea that if something isn't perfect then it's bad. They didn't explicitly get the Right nomination, so the ones they got are meaningless.
That’s so true. Nuance is a stranger to many (at least those online) these days
I kinda think the only awards it really deserved were the production design ones
Like it’s basically just another blockbuster movie but in pink this time
It’s funny how the people outraged over the snub overlook the fact that this year set the record for highest number of films directed by women to ever be nominated for Best Picture in a single year (3 films: ANATOMY OF A FALL, BARBIE, and PAST LIVES) as well as the first time multiple non-English language films are nominated for Best Picture as well (PAST LIVES, ANATOMY OF A FALL, and THE ZONE OF INTEREST), and also that there’s a woman among the director nominees (Justine Triet). Why aren’t they mentioning these things at all? What do you think?
Because they don't ACTUALLY care.
well the main conventionally attractive white woman didnt win so they dont count ig (note: sarcasm)
I honestly hate how no one is acknowledging America's nomination because it goes against their narrative!
America! Congratulations girl! I'm so hyped for you ❤❤
She did not deserve that nomination. She's just there as a token for Oscar's ✨diversity✨
I wish I could like this more times. You really hit the nail on the head about what has been irking me around this conversation. I really don't have much to add but I'll be damned if I don't leave a comment for the algorithm, lol.
Oh thank you for saying so!! Really appreciate it 🫶🏻
I'm a 19 yo girl, I found barbie really fun and consider myself a feminist, but I really disliked the message of this movie. Ken being mistreated everytime and then becoming the villain is really not what I wanted to see, and tbh, ken was indeed the best part of the movie. He was such a lovable obsessed goofball and I love him. The monologue about being a woman that led everyone supposedly to tears was so shallow in my opinion. This whole movie was shallow. The mother daughter plot was atrociously shallow, the message, everything. Ken was the punching bag everytime and it makes me so sad cause we've spend years trying to convince ppl that feminism has nothing to do with hating man and then this comes out. this movie was disappointing. And the rage ppl are feeling about margot and greta "not being" nominated is the perfect picture of (I'm a white girl, but I'm not blind) white liberal feminism. because "having cellulite is way more difficult than feminicide, guys 😔". But I did enjoy the theme of emotional maturity the film brought. As a childlike girl in my late teens (that also spent 2 years locked at home so I'm kinda still 17 mentally lol), this spoke to me, really. I have been told my whole life that I look like a doll (not like barbie, more like a porcelain one, they say lol), and I've had for years this obsession with perfection, looking unrealistically cute, but I also feel to much, I'm way more human than I wanted to be. I'm also very naive, and this movie made me remember the time I realized I wasn't safe; that man saw me as an object, that no adult would protect me. and it hits hard, dude. so yeah, that was the part I liked the most. and ken. oh boy, I love ken. and don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with a movie having a shallow message, it's just that everyone paints barbie as this subversive masterpiece and gets so offended someone dares to point something they dislike about it. that's why I had to say I'm a girl whilw writing this. cause if not, someone would easily call me a misogynistic pig that doesn't get art. in short, enchanted did it better.
No, you're right on. It's a fun... typical male-centric romcom. It's not a bad movie, but it's not and was never "feminist."
100%. barbie was a box office hit for a reason - when art is shallow, it is almost guaranteed a wider audience (because no one likes to be uncomfortable). there was nothing "groundbreaking" in barbie. the only character i empathized/sympathized with was ken, and i don't think that was the film's intent. honestly the whole thing was confusing when it came to the "real" roles of men and women in society. and tbh, i'm surpised it's nominated in acting categories at the oscars. i thought the film looked great (especially production design), but, as you said, it was just a "fun" hit that is too surface-level and juvenile to be such a big winner imo.
I wasn’t a huge fan either. The first half was fun but I felt it deteriorated into preachiness at the end. Loved Ken too!
If you compare Barbie to As Good As It Gets and Blue Jasmine, Barbie except for production design probably shouldn't have been nominated for anything. How is it different from Enchanted? I think it's because audiences have been conditioned by Marvel and CGI and diversity and average looking characters for so long. That's why Barbie was a breath of fresh air.
FINALLY. Someone said it. Well done. I have been my entire life a massive Barbie fan so I was expecting a lot out of this movie and I have to say I was deeply disappointed. Just like you pointed out, it felt so very shallow. It didn't have any kind of the magic of the animated Barbie movies, for example - which, okay, good, I understand, they went on the realism path, so it's normal it didn't-, but the storyline they chose instead felt like it wanted to touch certain points without actually taking the time to analyze why it would do that. Having seen this movie four times, I can say without a doubt that the only thing that I liked from the female characters' perspective is Barbie's personal journey of meaning - I cry everytime we see her POV of the world as it is and the ending scene when she chooses to be human. You know what I can say that is my favorite part of the movie overall? Ryan's Ken. Ryan's Ken and even the damn Mattel crowd are my favorites because they made genuinely good comedy and made me genuinely laugh every single time. And for a movie that wants to be about the women of this world, the fact that the only characters I could genuinely understand or at least enjoy watching were mostly the male ones is simply sad.
Yep, focusing on so-called "snubs" and ignoring all of the incredibly talented people who have been nominated is certainly...a thing...
...they did...
...a choice...
...they made...
Yeah, some people need a little perspective.
‘Twas a choice, indeed!
@@aliciavquinn Oh, Heaven help us.
hillary was really talking to herself with that one 😬😬😬
#hillarybarbie 🤪
hillarybarbie is wild lmao
Whenever someone blames Progressives, I point out that the Democratic party helped Trump to win the nomination because Hillary and DWS thought it would be a slam dunk in the general.
THIS was everything I've been feeling about the whole barbie-movie phenomenon. As an old white dude, I have zero personal attachment to the brand, but as a lifelong activist I had all the concerns about barbie, matell, & capitalism. It's ust that you, Alice, summed it up so evenhandly&beautifully that I posted this vid to my social media...
And become a first time subber, NOT "snubber"!
I was dissapointed that Greta Gerwig didn't get a Best Director nomination but i have to admit that her competition was extremely tough and the Best Director lineup for this year was one of the best I've seen so yeah okay, just your normal Oscar lol. It's a good thing that it took me like a day to move on from this whole snub thing, i'm already used to it 😂
It’s definitely abnormally stacked this year, which is great!
@@aliciavquinn I have seen the entire lineup, and frankly, all 5 of them deserved it in my view. I was so happy to see Justine Triet nominated for Directing. THE ZONE OF INTEREST was also deserving of that nomination too, and extremely relevant to modern times.
The competition for Best Actress is also really tough this year, there's loads of great performances aside from Margot Robbie that didn't even get nominated (Greta Lee really stung), and even amongst the actual nominees there's three who could potentially win and not be considered much of an upset (Lily Gladstone seems to be the favourite, but I don't think there'll be much uproar if Emma Stone or Sandra Huller wins instead)
u kill it with every outfit ❤ and every video and thesis and essays
Ahh thanks!!!
Gosling was legitimately the most entertaining part of the movie.
The complete lack of intersectionality is what really did it for me. A movie so soulless only white feminists could make it.
I wonder what connections can be drawn between the perpetuation of those things that are not just - problematic beauty standards, working conditions, ecological and humane atrocities, etc. And the toys of the past. It'd be like the "Toys that made us" but "The toys that made us stop thinking" Like how Captain Planet's one-dimensional baddies were depicted as slovenly and with direct desire to destroy the environment, instead of the more nuanced realization that pollution is often a result of exploitation for a goal.
Great video! I started following for the fashion but definitely sticking around for these compelling and well thought out essays.
What an intriguing consideration. I’ll admit I don’t know much about the toy industry, but bet there’s a lot of comparisons that can be drawn. It’s all connected! And thank you kindly :)
Everyone was mad about Greta and Margot not getting nominated, but I was suprised the movie had any nominations at all. I don't think it's a bad movie. I quite liked it but the whole narrative about it being a feminist manifesto is so weird to me. The monologue scene that is being praised sounds like 12 year olds shower thoughts, that doesn't mean I disagree with it. But I think it was extremely shallow and maybe if it was delivered by a little girl or Barbie who was so new to the real world, it would make more sense. And every time you mention that this movie might be problematic in some areas, its fans will come at you saying 'well it's a comedy and a family movie, it can't be too serious' and I get it, but simultaneously, they made it to be the greatest feminist movie ever made. And asking different actresses, especially actresses of color, what do they think of Oscars snubbing Greta and Margot gives me the same energy when someone asked Youn Yuh-jung how does Brad Pitt smells like after she just won an Oscar. Thank you for this material I could finally rant about this movie.
Maybe for like production design or costuming
Like the technical awards
@@phoenixfritzinger9185 I agree production and design were great but I think they need more for best picture than technical aspects so I'll be suprised if it wins
I hope you make a lot more of these video essays! This was an excellent examination, and when I went to see what other essays you've posted, was bummed to see this is only your third! I hope to see more in the future - keep doing what you do! :)
I said the day I saw it that 'Barbie is not a feminist film, it's a male apologist film for people who hate Barbie,' and was immediately attacked as being anti-woman and clueless about art. But I stand by that.
From a cinematic perspective, Barbie underwent no inner change, only external peer pressuring to abandon a coping mechanism women have (with debatable success) used to escape patriarchy for millennia: beauty, and an insular female perspective. Essentially, that's (remember all the mermaid and makeup escapism?) where 2010s feminism came from, which is why its foundation is so wonky, and Gerwig and Robbie could not extricate pedestaling the male perspective from true woman-centric storytelling.
From the craft perspective, Ken is the only one with a full story arc. He has the best song. He undergoes real character development. He's likable. Barbie, by contrast, only exists in the context of the perspectives and needs of the people (or toys) around her, an innately antifeminist take. Her plot was also lost halfway through, and her reward for "waking up" (cough, being mean girl'd into adopting a different perspective) was... what? A gynecology visit? Surrendering power and agency to become completely dependent on a "typical" dysfunctional American family that high key resents her? Of course that won't get an Oscar. It doesn't even track. Barbie chooses subservience, and continues to lack personality or personal agency. She's not even a fun character.
Barbie didn't deserve an Oscar, but women deserve better. I think the first thing we need to do, as women, is learn ourselves more, and introspect a little more deeply on who we really are, and what our REAL stories are, before we try to tell a broadly "feminist" story. And yes, also do all the things you said about needing to be more intersectional. But like, changing the white balance won't fix the antifeminist nature of narratives like this until we understand what is a true story of women from the female perspective, and what is just a typical male-centric romcom wrapped in a feminist plot.
There WAS a feminist story to be told in Barbie... it just wasn't Ken's.
I don't think you can call a film that paints all men as either idiotic, easily duped, predatory, and incompetent as "male apologist." The one male character who isn't any of these, Allan, is only portrayed positively, ironically, for performance "patriarchal" male behavior like using violence to defend the women in the film.
Even the fact you use a term like "male apologist" is rather icky in and of itself.
Oh cool so you are a male apologist. Good to clear that up before we get started,@@nope5657 .
The "all men as either idiotic, easily duped, predatory, and incompetent" thing you mentioned has a long history in feminist discourse. Specifically, the thing men do where they allow themselves to be perceived as 'idiotic' in sitcoms and life is known as "weaponized incompetence," and I'll let you look that up.
Incidentally, I agree Allan was one of the best parts of the film... but there's a storytelling craft reason why that is, not a patriarchal one. Correlation does not imply causation. Allan is not likable because he's "more masculine" than Ken; he's likable because he's the only one who's motives are unclear in a movie that is blunt to the point of infantilizing. Why does Allen always follow Ken around? Why does he care that Barbieland goes back to the way it was? Surely, Allen being a man, he'd prefer the mojo dojo casa house to Barbieland, no? These are never answered in film, only posited. As such, the audience feels greater investment in what he will do.
Both Allan and Ken have superior characterization and inner struggle to any of the female "leads," confirming that they, not Barbie, are where the filmmaker wants our attention to go in this film. You can read the book "Story Genius," by Lisa Cron for a more thorough explanation of the difference between 'plot' and 'story,' and how a viewer/reader's attention is directed through a film/book.
@@nope5657op is a misandrist
Nice to hear these ideas put like this; seeing the movie objectively without a primarily emotive response. For some reason it seems people have difficulty doing that with a lot of media and art. I appreciate how intelligent and articulate you are
There’s nothing “sus” about a best picture nominee missing out on a direction nomination. It’s happened several times in the past. Nominations for director are chosen by directors, whereas best picture nominations are made by the entire voting body. Directors are going to be better at recognising the subtle distinction between “good” movie and well-directed movie. Some movies with pedestrian, workmanlike, unremarkable or adequate direction can nonetheless seem very impressive to a general audience because, for example, the screenplay or the production design is so strong. The tendency for people to think of the director as the “author” of the film - for which we can probably blame the French “Auteur” critics of the 50s and 60s - has led people to erroneously credit directors for everything they like about a film.
Great video as always! Loved the points you made and completely agreed with it. Barbie is a great movie and everyone who worked on the film should be proud. Glad you touched on a number of things that people seemed to just gloss over when talking about the movie
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how is it possible that people believe that margot robbie didn't get a nomination for best ACTRESS... because she's a woman??
anyway, the fact that barbie (which isn't exactly what you'd expect to be an oscar darling) got EIGHT nominations is already remarkable, people are throwing this way out of proportion. best director and best actor / actress nominations are hard enough to get in the worst years for film, because EVERY film has a director and a lead actor lmao. add in that this year was actually a pretty good film year and therefore the competition was stacked, i wasn't really expecting greta or margot to get those specific nominations in the first place (i could **maybe** see greta getting a best director nom, but considering all the stunning performances this year, i didn't think margot would get this one)
if you want to talk about oscar snubs, godzilla minus one didn't get nominationed for best international feature film :-(... though it was nomination for visual effects, which it deserves, especially on its budget!
Totally agree with you on all points! And thanks for mentioning Godzilla Minus One, I’m not usually one for sci-fi tbh but it gets some rave reviews!
@@aliciavquinn thank you. the amount of "barbie was snubbed" takes on my feed have had me losing my mind a little, so seeing videos like yours that criticize that take is a breath of fresh air :-) and gm1 definitely deserves the raves. if you haven't seen it and still want to catch it its currently in cinemas again in black and white lmao.. and i might be going to see it a third time...
I loved Gm1! That said, each country sends one movie and afaik, GM1 was not Japan’s entry, so it was literally impossible for it to get the nom.
Lets be honest, the movie was very enjoyable and the story was fun but the pre-school level, on the nose message and performances do not deserve oscar nominations.
One thing about the snubbing, is that at no point they are saying that Margot Robbie was a better actress than any of the five nominated. Or that Greta Gerwig is a better director. They didn't reduced the nominations to four to exclude Barbie. They just voted for other actresses than Robbie and other directors than Gerwig.
I would probably put Robbie above Gladstone -don't get me wrong: Gladstone had a very solid performance, but that wasn't a leading role, and I don't think it was particularly challenging-, or Benning -I haven't seen Nyad, so I don't have a personal opinion-. If they had focused the criticism on the fact that Robbie was snubbed against inferior performances, the criticism would be more solid. But the cry seem to be focused on the fact that “the feminist film got snubbed.”
That's a pretty good quality of videos, you're an excellent blogger ❤
Great video, this was such a good analysis of the situation. Glad I found this channel
Thank you very kindly!
It's really unfortunate but I'm not shocked at white feminism throwing the rest of us under the bus yet again. So proud of my Indigenous babes America Ferrera and Lily Gladstone! Lily is my favorite actor!
This conversation needs to be spread more because the outrage towards the lack of noms for Margot and Greta is giving so much “2018 Women’s March” energy.
Being in my 40s I've been fed up with the bs out of barbie since the 1900s. This year I'm waiting for tradwife barbie.
On the upside. .. the driving support behind the brand is not staying current. While the movie mucked up a bunch of money, it did not do much to generate new interest. The current generation I've witnessed in school have become more resistant to the Barbie Aesthetic due to the perceived Karen connection
Oh interesting about the youngers! Thanks for sharing your perspective 😊
This was perfectly said. Thank you for being sane
I'm thinking the outrage over Robbie and Gerwig "not being nominated" was actually calculated marketing by executives. It was almost as if life imitated art, which is so weird.
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I, a gay guy who loved Barbie as a child, watched the movie with five female friends (3 out of 5 didn´t liked it and only one thought it was okay). I knew that there would be some feminism included bc Barbie just is a feminist icon. But it was just "too much". Greta Gerwig clearly knew nothing about Barbie and Barbie lore. There was way too much focus on the symbolism so that the actual story didn´t made any sense. Also, why is Barbie leaving Barbieworld to help a random woman? LIke why didn´t the doll that was played with became alive? Why "THE" Barbie? And why did she only start feeling sad when that one woman played with her? Also the Ending? Like "the Kens become equal qhen women in the real world are" what? There are many women in position of power. Back then Barbie AND Ken had many different jobs in many different areas like Astronaut Ken AND astronaut Barbie. Also Barbie world is supposed to be a role model "how it should be" world, so why no equality?
I have no idea how the oscars work but i assume that most of the critics and higher ups are male (like everything else in the world with positions of “power”). And i think many men may view “feminine” things as trivial and not as important or they cant even understand it while a woman/girl can. I would love to see more examples of matriarchal societies or even just a majority of women in power and see what happens then. If a majority of the film critics at the oscars were female what would change? I didn’t like the Barbie movie that much and agree with a lot of your points critiquing it but there are so many woman focused movies and tv shows that barely if ever get recognized and I genuinely think they are amazing media pieces and would be recognized as such if there were more women in power. (And im not blaming men as I dont understand a lot of male focused media so I get it how some men may not understand female centered media)
I’m actually in the middle of writing a whole video on the problematic history of awards shows because there’s just SO much 😅 but the Academy is made up of actors, writers, directors, costume designers, makeup artists, producers and other industry professionals. Nominations are mostly decided by members of the relevant branch (i.e. directors nominate directors), and all vote for Best Picture. In recent years, they have had to implement representation and diversity standards for Academy members as well as the films they nominate, because yup exactly - it was a mostly a bunch of old white men voting for other white men (and even with their inclusion efforts to include more members from underrepresented communities…the progress is nothing to marvel at).
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I just got this video in my recommendations. Very good work, Alicia
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This look is so cute, Its giving younger Erin Moriarty vibes and great job with this essay!
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While Gladstone is the first Native American actress nominated for Best Actress, the honour of first indigenous actress nominated in that category goes to Yalitza Aparicio for 'Roma'. I personally however would have swapped out Annette Bening for 'Nyad' with Greta Lee for 'Past Lives'. 2023 was just stacked. Also, the snubs I think are more egregious are Lee, Charles Melton and John Magaro missing out on Supporting Actor noms for 'May December' and 'Past Lives' respectively and 'All of Us Strangers' getting shut out completely (Searchlight, I know you prioritised 'Poor Things' but you have successfully managed multi-film campaigns in the past).
That why I very specifically said one of the first indigenous 😊 I’ve seen many call her the first - which as you pointed, isn’t quite true. This year is definitely unusually stacked! I agree - I thought Charles Melton was fantastic in May December.
If you mean *indigenous American women,* then yes you’re right about Yalitza Aparicio being the first to be nominated for “Best Actress”.
However, Merle Oberon and Keisha Castle-Hughes, who are of *Māori* descent, were nominated for “Best Actress” Oscars long before Yalitza Aparicio was.
@@beethovensfidelio thought that was what they meant. I remember watching Whale Rider when I was little and being so mesmerized by Keisha Castle-Hughes.
I love this video and agree with almost everything, but I think the point people are trying to make about the costume designer award is less that costume design isn't a valuable and important job but more like, the Academy is more willing to recognize women in costume design than women directors because directing is traditionally considered a "man's" job
Oh trust I understand that and appreciate that perspective! I do see a lot of people dismissing costume designers tho…and thought it was weird to gripe about in this instance particularly, as Barbie is SO deserving of recognition for its costumes. And also since there are 3 Best Picture nominations directed by women, and 2 of them are up for Best Director. To me personally didn’t seem like Greta not being nominated had anything to do with her being a woman this go around. And 8 Oscar noms for a film that wouldn’t typically be a favorite of the Academy is still great 😊
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Awesome video Alicia.
You’d think a best picture nominee had never missed out on a direction nomination before.
Steven Spielberg of “Jaws” fame enters the conversation! 😂
Hey! That was really great. This video I mean. This is the first video of yours I've seen, so thank TH-cam for sharing. I haven't seen the film, but if I were to use the film as a means of learning how to do things right or wrong regarding the representation of women in a film or TV show, this would be the film to use as practice. Thanks for all the insight of your video. I do children's books and often wonder how much thought I have to put into various characters, especially now with all eyes upon popular culture.
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the movie is good. the visuals are great, the outfits are cute and its very obvious everyone involved put in a lot of effort into the movie. but people put barbie over the line with so much acclaim about its feminism, as if the feminism in the film - both indirect and direct - is brief, broad and lacks nuance. when gloria (the mum) rants about the struggles of being a woman in society, she doesn't mention aspects like race, disability and sexuality that strongly influence how different types of women are treated. a white billionaire straight cis woman experiences a very limited and avoidable amount of misogyny, as opposed to a poor chronically ill black woman. there is a difference and the film kind of brushes that aside. so yes, the movie has a good message, but it doesn't critique the patriarchy and promote feminism in the best way possible. its social commentary is not on the level of parasite or the hate u give? no, and that's okay, but idk why so many people online are acting so.
My main problem with all the crapola is when people say that Ryan Gosling slammed anyone. He says he is honored to be nominated when there were so many good actors and movies. He gives Greta and Margot credit for there even being a Barbie movie and for letting him be in it. He says he is disappointed they were not nominated. He is really good in the movie and so is America. I would hope that all nominees would give credit to their fellow co-stars, and anyone involved in the movie, especially one that made over a billion dollars. I saw one idiot yesterday going after him for not giving up his. From listening to Margot and Greta interviews I am guessing that neither one would suggest Ryan or America giving up their nominations any more than they would want to give up the rest of the nominations for Barbie.
This is the problem when people immediately graft their politics onto everything they watch.
Imagine being so deranged as to rail against anyone that dares not stan for the billion dollar toy movie.
Thank you! this is some well needed information, i did not know that they got nominated in other things, i thought that was quite unfair that only get got nominated but know i know the whole picture, thank you! Also, you would fit in so great as a Barbie in Barbie 2 movie, You got the looks ;).
Yeah definitely! A lot of people I spoke to were surprised they were actually nominated, which makes sense given the ✨reaction✨ haha. Thanks for watching!!
Why is it that everything you say seems like the most fascinating thing I've ever heard? :)
Hahaha that’s far too kind 😭
I am a 64-year-old Australian agitator and advocate for revolutionary change. Domestic Violence and the abuse of the disabled and mentally ill are the issues that I focus on because they reflect the complete lack of concern for working people. All government initiatives are window dressing and are criminally underfunded and under-resourced . "The feminists" who run DV shelters are "corporate feminists" who understand nothing about the personality disorders that are present in the majority of cases (narcissistic aggressors, borderline victims) and do a great disservice to women, who if they recognised that had issues could seek help, not only saving lives but breaking the cycle underpinned by excruiting sefl loathing and feelings of worthlessness. In fact I do not see this being addressed all
Feminism, as with the left in totality, is practised in words only. Not a word is mentioned about imperialism, that appears to be tacitly agreed is a taboo subject, as that would require removing war criminals from power and holding them to account.
Where were the left with the Eygptian people rose up and removed their dictator, and what was done to support the women in Iran being murdered in broad daylight. Thousand take to the streets over the genocide being perpetrated in Palestine, while voting for the war criminals that supply Israel with the weapons of mass murder they employ
The second paragraph of the declaration of indepence states that it is the duty of every citizen to throw off despotic government to ensure the prosperity of future generations. The future for our youth today, is bleak to say the least. Barbie was just another pacifier for the left to suck on.
And it is not as if this was not forwarned
"We cannot here enter into an examination of the special problem of the duration of the American crisis and its possible depth. This is a question of conjuncture and not of program. It goes without saying that in our opinion the inevitability of a crisis is entirely beyond doubt; nor, considering the present world scope of American capitalism, do we think it is out of the question that the very next crisis will attain extremely great depth and sharpness. But there is no justification whatsoever for the attempt to conclude from this that the hegemony of North America will be restricted or weakened. Such a conclusion can lead only to the grossest strategical errors.
Just the contrary is the case. In the period of crisis the hegemony of the United States will operate more completely, more openly, and more ruthlessly than in the period of boom. The United States will seek to overcome and extricate herself from her difficulties and maladies primarily at the expense of Europe, regardless of whether this occurs in Asia, Canada, South America, Australia, or Europe itself, or whether this takes place peacefully or through war.
We must clearly understand that if the first period of American intervention had the effect of stabilization and pacification on Europe, which to a considerable extent still remains in force today, and may even recur episodically and become stronger (particularly in the event of new defeats of the proletariat), the general line of American policy, particularly in time of its own economic difficulties and crisis, will engender the deepest convulsions in Europe as well as over the entire world.
From this we draw the not unimportant conclusion that there will be no more lack of revolutionary situations in the next decade than in the past decade. That is why it is of utmost importance to understand correctly the mainsprings of development so that we may not be caught unawares by their action. If in the past decade the main source of revolutionary situations lay in the direct consequences of the imperialist war, in the second post-war decade the most important source of revolutionary upheavals will be the interrelations of Europe and America. A major crisis in the United States will strike the tocsin for new wars and revolutions. We repeat: there will be no lack of revolutionary situations. The entire question hinges upon the international party of the proletariat, the maturity and fighting ability of the Comintern, and the correctness of its strategical position and tactical methods."
L Trotsky
The third international after Lenin 1928
What are the fashion books you have there?
English Society in the Eighteenth Century by Roy Porter, From A to Biba: The Autobiography of Barbara Hulanicki
by Bárbara Hulanicki, The Complete Costume History: From Ancient Times to the 19th Century by Auguste Racinet, The Beau Monde by Hannah Grieg, Fashioning London: Clothing and the Modern Metropolis by Christopher Breward, The Study of Dress History by Lou Taylor, Dress Codes: How the Laws of Fashion Made History by Richard Thompson Ford, Sargent's Women: Four Lives Behind the Canvas by Donna Lucey, and Fashion: The Whole Story by Marnie Fogg, and Valerie Steele
That LA Times quote is disgusting.
Feminism is when you tear other women down to make your favourite seem better, that's how it works right? /s
Finally got the time to watch it! Thanks for your very thoughtful analysis and commentary. I like how you rounded aspects from representation to structural problems in a very nuanced way. Also, the warning(?) that we can be critical of the things we like is so important. A few years ago there was a controversy with some videos about video games (very good videos, btw) and the presenter always said that, but almost no one seemed to even listen. The best for me was the final conclusion, "Life in plastic may not be fantastic" XD. I'm looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts on other media-related topics!
Thank you very much, as always! So kind. And I agree! Nuance is often a stranger to the internet. Another sometimes necessary warning(?) is that someone criticizing or disliking something you like is not a personal attack - l’ve had to talk someone down many a time, like it’s fine to disagree, but please don’t be offended by my mere mortal opinion 😭
People are laboring under the delusion that the Oscars are fair in the first place and/or matter in general.
If the actress who played Barbie deserve an Oscar for a film made this years it should be more for Babylone
Babylon came out in 2022, so it was nominated for several awards in 2023. Margot Robbie received a Golden Globe nomination for her role in Babylon for Best Actress in a Musical or Comedy, but she didn’t win and was not nominated for an Oscar (Michelle Yeoh won the Golden Globe and Oscar that year for her role in EEAAO. Absolutely deserved no question in my mind!)
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just had this video recommended to me, wish I had this to watch while I was still fuming over the ‘Greta didn’t get best director oh no our lives are ruined’ thing 😂 one thing I always thought was crazy was how people seemed to think the chances for barbenheimer to win best picture were relatively equal… guess which movie came back with 7 oscars and which one achieved a total of zero (if you don’t count wwimf) ?? Honestly, I’m glad the academy humbled those people.
I’m just saying…. not many famous white folks are going this hard for The Color Purple 🤷🏻♂️
Also you have good vibes btw 😊
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maybe people dont care about movies as much as they claim
Please don’t take this as anything other than an objective observation bc I’m in a rare ‘feeling nice’ mood today and I’m sure I’d hate you in real life or, at the very least, you would surely hate me but, you are shockingly pretty
Marginal correction (LadyBird was nominated for Director), but absolutely spot on work!
Haha I know I misspoke - I meant none of which won! And thank you 😊
@@aliciavquinn I'm an author (and educator) who has published on racism and related things, so I'm always trying to support folks with the ability to look honestly at issues that may include them. As for the movie, I think the most radical thing about it was the implication of the loneliness of masculine expectations.
Why have you worn your corset that way?
It’s a belt, so there’s not really another way to wear it 😅
When it comes to Geta's films being seen as "white femism", I don't think it is, at the end of the day, people tend to write what they know, and if you grew up being a white woman, it makes sense to write your relatable characters to be like you, obviously art can be used as a chance to write about all different types of people, but at the end of the day, you don't have to if you don't want to, if it's not for you, you can sit aside and let different people write their stories as well as others
The issue isn’t at all with her writing what she knows - I’d say what she knows often manifests in incredibly moving and complex storytelling. Still, we can recognize the limitations of the ideologies promoted in such films. Labeling white-centered stories as universally “feminist” ignores complex gender hierarchies and is in line with white, mainstream feminism. Barbie has shortcomings in its feminism directly related to its lack of intersectionality and its attachment to an exploitative and inherently anti-feminist corporation. The overreaction to the Barbie/Oscars nominations centered on Margot and Greta mirror that precisely in my opinion - as someone else put it, “white feminism imitates white feminist art.”
This is the only critique of Barbie I've appreciated.
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Respectfully, I would say this video is good.
Thank you so much (respectfully)
Pardon my mansplain, but I believe Gerwig did get a Best Director nom for Lady Bird
No you’re absolutely right and it was in my script I just misspoke 😭 I meant nominated for one, but never won.
@@aliciavquinn we're all human. Anyway, I really liked the video and it was cathartic to hear everything I've been feeling put into words, so thank you for this! 🙂
Margot was terrific in "Barbie." The major problem with her performance is that it's upstaged halfway through the film by America Ferrara's character, Gloria.
Who delivers the monologue that everyone leaving the theater talks about? Who heads out on the road with Allan before deciding to turn back and fix Barbieland? Who masterminds the big plan to win Barbieland back? Who deprograms all the Barbies?
It's usually the lead character- who's confronted with the film's major conflict and then is expected to take charge and save the day. But instead it's fricking GLORIA that gets promoted to movie protagonist, cheating Barbie out of being the heroine in her own film.
And that's because Gloria represents all the downtrodden and anxiety-filled women in the audience. That's why her cringey monologue- which had absolutely nothing to do with either Barbie or with what was going on in that scene.-was such an overwhelming slam dunk. This movie isn't about Barbie, ladies- it's really about all of you!!
Barbie doesn't even get the flashy song and dance number near the end of the film! Even the movie's final climax isn't structured upon Barbie's moment of self-actualization, but Ken's!
If Margot Robbie dominated the 2nd half of "Barbie" the way she did the 1st half, she would've secured that nomination. But the movie wouldn't let her. The real villain in "Barbie isn't the Kens or the patriarchy, it's fricking Gloria. Because Barbie was HAPPY with her life until Gloria whispered thoughts of death in her ear, and made her think she wasn't good enough as she was, and sent her into an existential crisis.Gloria gaslit Barbie through the entire movie with her doom and gloom stories of what it means to be a 'real woman.' And once Barbie crept off in her desperate quest to become somebody that will earn women's approval, Gloria stole the damn movie from her.
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Lots of women indigenous to Europe have won Oscars, and have been doing so since the inception of the award.
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Why would such a silly, fluff movie get ANY nominations?
But even if you celebrate America's nomination and the fact that Barbie is nominated for best adapted script (which should've been original btw), there's no excuse for not nominating Greta for best director. Yes, Margot Robbie did a great job as Barbie, but you could argue her interpretation was not Oscar-worthy. However, Greta created a unique movie, with real settings, and creative choices, and even if you didn't like the film, if you understand about movie direction, you have to agree that she was ESPECTACULAR as a director. Really outstanding. There's no other movie like Barbie and the creative choices she made were amazing. It's not my favourite film this year, but it is my favourite direction choice by far. And so far, only SEVEN women have been nominated for best director in the history of the Oscars, so the fact that you couldn't have two women the in same category this year shows that there's a bias in this specific award. It's no secret that they value some prizes more than others. We are not downplaying the other awards they got nominated for, but it is right to point out how flawed the Best Direction award is.
White people gonna white people
I wish Barbie had just gone away
The movie or the doll?
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You mention that neither of Greta's three Best Picture nominees were nominated for Best Director, but actually, Lady Bird was nominated for Best Director back in 2018 (making Greta herself only the fifth woman in history to get a Best Director nomination). There was also a similar outrage when she missed the Best Director nomination for Little Women.
I meant one of which was nominated, but none won. Little Women was partly filmed in my hometown - I remember the outrage then well!
I think your criticisms of Mattel (corporate performative and exploitative behavior) and outrage over Robbie and Gerwig Oscar "snubs" are well argued and very fair.
However, I would like to quibble with your critique of the lack of intersectionalism in the movie itself. A movie, especially ones that seek to appeal to a broader audience, needs to be focused on a few themes. We've seen how bad a movie typically turns out when it tries to say too much. Barbie's theme centered around the female experience through the lens of a patriarchal context. Trying to cram ideas of how the patriarchy also harms males or struggles faced by minority groups would detract from the theme and water down the movie as a whole. While those other ideas are important, I'm not sure a mainstream blockbuster movie is the correct vehicle to explore these complex issues.
I’m not saying it’s the correct vehicle, either…But many have brought up valid criticisms that using a diverse cast for the sake of saying “it’s diverse!” and then not doing anything beyond that, while simultaneously attempting to tell a broadly feminist story through a white-centered lens just mirrors mainstream neoliberal white feminism. Really goes hand in hand with the “there is no universal woman” critique. It feels like shallow white feminism to talk about patriarchy and gender dynamics without any intersectionality. And, again, I don’t think the film was going for that, but it did enter itself into discourse on the subject, so it’s worth noting IMO.
It’s bizarre to celebrate the work but not nominate the people who brought the movie to the world in their deserving categories
I don’t think Margot Robbie’s performance in Barbie was more deserving than any of the Best Actress performances. I can honestly understand why she wasn’t nominated in that category. Honestly the same with Greta Gerwig, who I believe was snubbed for Little Women, actually. This year is unusually stacked, and though I loved Barbie, I don’t agree that that it was on the same level.
It happens all the time at the Oscars.
“Jaws” was nominated for “Best Picture”, but not “Best Director” for Steven Spielberg.
“The Prince of Tides” was nominated for “Best Picture”, but not “Best Director” for Barbra Streisand (to quote Billy Crystal’s response to Streisand’s snub at the Oscars, “Did the picture direct itself?”).
Alicia...you are an undeniably attractive, (not that matters for this situation--or, sometimes just life in general, for as both my patents used to remind my sister and myself--"someone's looks have no meaning to the sightless!'"-- exceptionally bright, even-handed, well-spoken, and individual. Now HOLD on...I'm getting there. Because I know statements like that can often lead to the dread: "BUUUUUT..."! (yes, the ellipsis purposely included. 😇) and then the hammer of disagreement comes crashing down like my hemline when suddenly realizing if was a "formal" event! Not THIS time. For I have much in agreement with your viewpoints, opinion, and estimation of things in your examination and presentation (It cooooould be called a "discussion", a comments can be left here--as I myself am doing! Hopefully with SOME degree of clarity and value. I'll do what I can) too many to have and interchange with you here. But as I say, I agree with nearly all you stated. We'll pass on the entire situation of the "Oscars" and I am going to pick from one point you brought up--which, whether you know it or not, it is the MOST important and purposeful one that can be part of ALL the rest. And, to paraphrase, that is/was: "Different aspects of an individuals identity interact with how the experience the world!" And as simple and obvious as that may seem and sound, it is one of the most complex issues of all individual beings since the advent of what is often thought of as "Modern Civilization". Few if anything is more complex, as no two creatures have the exact same experiences and upbringing whomever and whatever they might be and whenever and wherever time and country they have existed. And to some degree, it is both an unavoidable curse, and also a enriching blessing, and shall in all likelihood continue the human race eventually expires. It is, give or take, the way of things. However, personal malleability goes a long way to the blessing side of the scales. As long as minds are open--the is always a chance for understanding, and acceptance--with it tempered by compassion.
With my tongue nowhere near being in my cheek, allow me to go on for at least a small bit here? I obviously already have, but allow me a personal point to add in about the mentioning of feminism (notice how no one, and I mean NO one, ever uses the term "masculisim"? Right--I hear you...aside from literally sounding idiotic, they already believe they are "in control" of the planet...they don't NEED a politicized term pointed at THEM! Oy!!) So anyway...back to the point at hand--yes, it is the way we are often viewed/treated by others; often those with minds shut tighter than a frog's rump in a hurricane; whatever might be part of any for of discrimination. I have experienced it in a VERY distinct and "specialized" way--sort of an small but sort of excusive way and category that doesn't get an award nominations of ANY kind--as a heterosexual white male, who is a devoted crossdresser. I simply LOVE and ADORE wearing the clothes that are, more or less specifically, created and intended for: women! They can often be SOOOO gorrrrgeous! Sensual in a "contentment" way that is incredibly so fulfilling. I adore feeling feminine!! Not necessarily feminized--as I'm not quite skilled enough to feel fully like or as a female--not to say an actual woman! And that's, well--IT! I'm not gay, a "trans" person, (unless the passe' term of "transvestite" is in the prefix), or desiring "Post-Op sex/gender change" surgery. I have been indulging in crossdressing for over 45 years! But, I have been ostracized by just about EVERY "group" or "political affiliation", philosophical organization,and/or religious organization, and just most "every day folks" most of my adult life. Seems that...until, say, perhaps the last ten-ish years, "folks" just couldn't seem to wrap their head around the concept of a "hetero guy", who just wants to dress as a woman! So, to summarize-ish: It all comes down to realizing the VALUE of every single worthwhile...I use that word specifically, the lunatics, criminals, manipulators, violent and at al etc such folks... human being then, now and into the future/tomorrow's! It's really the basic Golden Rule: "Do Unto Others...!" in whatever part(s) of "society" and race, creed, color, gender, LBGTO, you NAME it/us/them!! Let me close here for now with the very basic, direct, no nonsense or ways to misunderstand the clear and words of the brilliant comedian George Carling..."Save the planet...SAVE the PLANET?! It'll survive! It'll long outlive US! The PLANET is FINE...it's the PEOPLE that are F*CKED!" Not all, but still too damn many of em! Let's keep our fingers crossed("dressed") for the rest to catch on up. HUGS! 🥰🤞👌💖
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