Jon Snow's Resurrection in the Winds of Winter (ASOIAF Theory)
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- Hello everyone! Today I'm going over various theories as to Jon Snow's return n #asongoficeandfire.
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Thank you all for watching! I'll be back with more theories next week, in a collab video! Character art in this video is by TheMico! Art in the thumbnail is by Arantza Sestayo, and the hypothetical Jon resurrection art is by Mummer on Tumblr! www.tumblr.com/mummer
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00:00 Diverging Opinions
00:28 Mutiny at Castle Black
01:01 Jon's Potential Return
01:22 Resurrection in Ice and Fire
01:49 Parallels to Stoneheart
02:53 Jon as a Viewpoint
03:40 Consequences of Resurrection
04:10 Timing the Return
04:33 A Future in Fire
05:51 Melisandre's Knowledge
06:21 Quinn Was Wrong (REAL) (NOT Clickbait)
07:22 Ice Resurrection
07:51 Water Resurrection?
08:16 Evidence in Drafts
08:43 Bloodraven, Bran, and Visions
09:37 Bloodraven's Magic
10:25 Ghost
11:08 Returning to Life
12:04 Conclusions - บันเทิง
Simple: Jon will get up from the Table, kill all the mutineers, and remove his face to reveal there was never a Jon Snow, it was Euron all along!
Nah it was Ser Pounce
Jon is a horse
and then when he rides off to meet Danaerys he will remove his face again to reveal he was Daario all along!
@@benclark96 Damn, you beat me to it.
He's also the only character who *isn't* a secret Targaryen.
Duhhh. We already know
Would be hilarious if we’ve been theorizing about how he comes back for over a decade only to find out he never died in the first place
All I have to say is that GRRM is known to be a big fan of Robin Hobb
If I'm not mistaken, at one point GRRM was asked if there was any chance Jon survived the stabbings and our author responded "No".
He just slept
Idk he got stabbed 4 times in the torso and they don’t have any surgeons so he’s kinda fucked
@@Mephisto707 "Writers lie for a living!" I forget who coined that, but GRRM certainly loves his fake out deaths (Arya, Davos and Brienne have all apparently died but it turned out they were alive - that probably applies to Stannis, too). I think Jon probably is dead, but people have survived similar wounds (IRL and especially in fiction), particularly in icy conditions that reduce blood flow.
"Jon has been out only POV on the wall for about 4 books"
Poor Samwell Tarly, doesn't even get credit from the fandom
I thought about that while scripting, but kept it as is,; out of Sam's 10 chapters, only like 3 are at the Wall.
Fair, I thought the same thing, but gotta poke at it in the comments for that asoiaf street cred
Jon hasn't finished the crypts dream, so there's no way he's not a POV character. Plus GRRM write for the heart in conflict, and Jon has not completed his own heart-in-conflict arc. Forgoing him as a POV character and missing out on his internal dialogue and struggle when he learns his true parentage etc., for the sake of maintaining a Pattern-of-One non-POV after death? That's not his style at all. He writes the story in the most interesting way.
Yeah, it seems pretty obvious he will stay a POV character; he is one of the 'big three' primary protagonists. Catelyn never had that honor
I've said it for years... We've already seen Jon's resurrection take place in the story: Khal Drogo.
The only difference is that a wolf will be used instead of a horse. And since Jon is INSIDE that wolf, it'll be putting HIS mind back into his body. Drogo had a horse be put into his body, but had Drogo been a warg that warged into that horse when he died, then that spell would have "resurrected" Khal Drogo. That's the same spell that will be used on Jon.
Yes Glidus's Drogo is a horse theory!
I just want the book😢
I like the theory that burning Shireen for Stannis’ Azor Ahai reasons, will accidentally bring John back as the real Azor Ahai.
My favorite theory I've seen so far is the idea that Jon will walk out of his own funeral pyre. Something to do with skinchanging into Ghost, watching his own body bleed out and die, Mel giving him some sort of funeral rights as the Watch throws him on the fire, and it healing him instead of cremating him.
Do I think it's the most likely? Probably not, since the repercussions are more on the PTSD side instead literally losing a piece of yourself side, but it is my favorite since this way Jon DOES lose something- the ability to deny his magical girl destiny. Sorry, champ, you are a wolf, the old gods didn't give you a puppy just for emotional support. Oh, you want nothing to do fire magic? Too bad, the red god likes you too. Plus, he gets to join Dany in the bald club.
and his hair will regrow as silver
that do be a sick image
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That’s always been the plan
this comment made me subscribe (i kept forgetting)
i apparently wasn't subscribed despite having been watching this channel pretty much since the beginning of asoiaf content. I hope my word is part of a food description.
Jon warging into Ghost when he dies will keep his soul intact and let him keep his POV imo
I personally think that Ghost and Val are going to be involved in Jons resurrection. I think Val is kinda similar to Melisandre but with the old gods instead of Rhollor. I could see her as some kind of old God pristess especially because of her strong connection to ghost and the way she was able to find tormund so easily. And she also has that weird weirwoodface on her clothes.
What if Val is the one who suggests sacrificing Shireen, given the former’s concern over the latter’s possibly latent greyscale?
Give me Val & Old Gods Magic too. I can see her & the wildling warg being the ones to recognize that Jon’s spirit/consciousness is in Ghost. Jon’s POV in Ghost is gonna be so good. Does he go North beyond the wall and link up with Bran & Summer or does he go South and find Nymeria & Lady Stoneheart? Arya seeing Ghost in a Nymeria wolf dream could be the catalyst for her returning home.
it is known.
The only ways i can think of are dragonglass dagger through the heart, the red witch, or a weird zombie makeout sesh with his stepmom who hated him.
@@dickthomas4670 Shadowbinding as well, but Melisandre is the only one known to be in Westeros.
White hair Jon = throwback to Brynden Rivers, a half-North wargaryen. Plus adds more oomph to the alias The White Wolf
I think Jon will be reborn by the magic of the Others into a wight and warging into Ghost until his body starts moving again.
The chapters involving the Others make it pretty obvious they’re searching for someone in the Night’s Watch, most likely Jon though I can only theorize as to why. Before he dies, Jon feels cold. Now that could easily be him bleeding out, but what if it’s the Others bringing the cold with them? It’s been established that anyone killed by the Others join their ranks as wights but so do heavily decayed and recent corpses touched by their cold.
All the Stark children are wargs, so I have no doubt Ghost will be important in Jon’s resurrection; he’ll wait inside of Ghost until the Others start controlling his body and then he’ll warg back into it, fighting for control.
Martin says the most compelling stories are the ones involving the human heart in conflict. What’s more conflicting than Jon fighting for control of his own body?
Thematically, I think this fits with the parallels between Jon and Dany; first love dies; families are intertwined in visions and prophecies; one will have been reborn in fire, the other in ice.
physically, Jon could potentially be way better preserved in the ice than Catlyn was after being left to rot in the river in a temperate climate...right?
I reread the prologue to A Game of Thrones and was interested in the Others talking and laughing and mocking Ser Royce. It would be cool to see a video about them with different theories
Have you seen Joe Magician's video on Waymar? It's called Waymar Royce: The Killing of the Wrong Ranger. It's really good.
I believe Jon didn't die, but just got wounded, and instinctually skinchanged into Ghost to escape the pain he wasn't consciously aware of yet. I believe wounds unlock latent magical abilities, which is why Bran had to fall from the tower in a Game of Thrones, and Patchface and Aeron Greyjoy had to almost drown. I think all of them survived, and are not undead or resurrected in any way, but all of them improved their magical abilities through the experience.
Magic isn't free or easy, but what would be more powerful than to sacrifice your health, and have a high risk of dying in order to achieve it? And I don't think it necessarily has to be intentional either. Sacrificing others is the easy way out. What kind of sacrifice is someone you don't care about? And what does it to do you if you do it? Sacrificing parts of yourself, like Bran's legs, or Patchface's or Damphair's sanity would be far less selfish and probably not have the same corruption associated with it.
So if Jon sacrificed something valuable to him, what would it be? I want him to change in significant ways.
Jon obviously 'died.'
@@pyropulseIXXI The text in the stabbing Jon scene is intentionally ambiguous and GRRM is justified in going either way. Jon doesn't need plot armour to survive.
I've always wanted to spend some time debating an extremely strong parallel between the movements and elements in both Jon and Dany's narratives. If you want more on it, it's a much bigger theory.
In summary for this video's topic, as Dany has escaped a moment of Chaos, assumed dead, and in the grass sea, Jon should go through something that at the very least reflects these movements. He should escape in or with ghost beyond the Wall. Likely, but not certainly ending up at the Fist. This suggests an Ice version but there's still wiggle room for something else.
My argument is that Jon being resurrected is cool, but would more likely result in a fear reaction rather than awe and respect. Especially from Wildlings. He would need to accomplish something that would override the fear. Making a deal with the Others to allow the Wildlings from Hardhome to reach the Wall safely should result in some level of trust.
Depending how heavily his story matches Dany's it's possible his body will disappear in the chaos at the Wall. Already animated or dragged by Benjen/Tormond/Val into the haunted forest. There is no logical reason to preserve his body rather than burn it at the Wall. Preserving it is a logic dependent on an assumption of reviving it.
If it's Ice, then begin raised by the Others makes the most logical sense. This would result in Jon gaining new allies for his return to power similar to our assumption that Dany will gain the Dothraki. There us a wildcard in thw mix. You missed Coldhands as a direct method of bringing Jon back. Coldhands could pass his reanimation on to Jon as Beric did to Cat. This would make sense as he helped Bran in a similar way Beric helped Arya.
One thing that you didn’t mention in favor of Jon having warged into Ghost is that Robb seems to have warged into Grey Wind when he died
Enlighten me, how so? I can't remember thinking this.
@@WitchburnBrewingRobs last words were "greywind" I believe, like Jon's were "ghost"
Jon has a dream that he has a flaming sword and he's armored in ice. I personally think it will be a combination of Otherization and then fire magic cleansing him of the blue eyes, or something to that effect. Also, recall Leaf telling Bran to not attempt to bring someone back from the dead. She wouldn't tell him that if resurrection via green magic was impossible.
In direct response to your video, I don't think Catelyn losing POV status is indicative of Jon losing POV status, but rather, to prevent us from understanding the POV of an undead character UNTIL Jon comes back. I think Beric, Cat, and Coldhands are all foreshadowing for Jon's state once his resurrection is complete, however it is complete.
He's armoured in valyrian steel not ice. Aka Eurons armour
Is it possible for Lady Stoneheart to pass on her life force to Jon as Beric did to her, entrusting him to avenge Robb. I feel that this would complete Cat's character arc.
no lol
Not ghost dying so jon can comeback 😓
One thing we need to keep in mind with the resurrections, is that neither Beric nor Catelyn came back being completely themselves. Quite the opposite. Catelyn's body was left for a few days in the elements which would contribute to the state of what she looks like when she came back, and Beric has been losing his personality little by little every time he came back. The difference with Jon Snow, is that - again theorizing here - if he indeed warged into Ghost right before he died, then his soul never went anywhere far for him to not be himself when/if he is resurrected. Beric and Catelyn died completely, and their souls went wherever souls are supposed to go in the ASOIAF universe. What I'm taking too many words to say, is that Jon's "vessel" sort of died, but his soul remained in the material world. While Beric's and Catelyn's souls didn't. That's the reason why I think that, while Catelyn and Beric are essentially wights - admittedly by George R.R. Martin himself - just fire wights instead of ice wights like the ones beyond the Wall, if Jon gets resurrected, he won't be a wight in the same way at least.
After his whole ordeal ends, missing fingers and other appendages, Theon has an epiphany and becomes a Godly man that would make his Uncle Damphair proud. He slinks away from Stannis and makes his way back to Castle Black in time to see his childhood friend hit the floor. He takes the salt he was just offered, tosses aside the bread for now, makes a snowball and forces the salt inside. He jams it down Jon's throat, cutting off his last breaths. The stab wounds do not have time to kill his body before he "drowns" and then Theon on gives him CPR or the drowned kiss or whatever and he rises again, what is dead may never die, or something.
Very excited to listen to this, really fun topic! Thank you
First time I've caught a video I actually wanted to watch immediately after it comes out ❤
Catelyn went through changes because she was decomposing in water for three days....
Do you think Jon's body might be put into the ice cells they were clearing out earlier in the chapter? Great video x
Yes. Listening to a storm of swords today there’s a mention of how long bodies can keep in the ice cells. Seems foreshadowing
Just finished House of the Dragon and itching for more ASOIAF. Thank you for the content
When did George said Stannis will burn Shireen? He never confirmed it, as far as I know.
Stannis even refused to burn "innocent people" before, so IDK...
My headcanon (up until Winds is finished) is: Mel and Selyse (a religious zealot) will burn Shireen to try to resurrect Stannis, who both of them believe is Azor Ahai, after reading the pink letter stating he's dead. And Jon will be accidentally resurrected.
If Stannis wrote the pink letter, he'll consider himself responsible of Shireen's death, and he will be devastated. Probably he'll quit his throne aspirations, and will kill Selyse and even Mel.
Also, when Mel finds out that Jon is the one her god resurrected when she tried to resurrect Azor Ahai, her faith will crumble, and will probably left Westeros. Even Selyse could kill herself.
It's kinda a terrible, tragic, but perfect ending to Team Stannis
I'm just talking about Shireen's death. Jon's resurrection will be more complex than what I said (Ghost will be involved too, and yadda yadda).
Great video!
I think they should simply build a pyre for his body. To prevent him from coming back as a walker. But he does not burn and simply is resurrected by the fire. Mylesandra now is sure she has found her champion.
I would love to see Jon interact with Brienne and/or Stoneheart!
Finally this is being talked about!
1:22 Oooh that fanart makes me wonder: What if his hair goes white when he is resurrected? And as a result, he looks the splitting image of his dad. Edit: Oh you mention that at 3:57. That's what I get for commenting before finishing. 😅
Mélisande have red eyes, and in AFFC a line say Lady Stone Heat have red eyes, if we imagine that the red eyes are a symbol of R'hllor's resurection (in opposition to the blue eyes of Others), this would mean that Mélisandre is a revenant, and she could transmit her flame of life, like Béric
It's pretty straight forward.
Mel tells Selyse that Stannis needs magic to win his battle and she needs kings blood to do the magic. Shireen is burned to power Mel's magic. Mel uses magic to resurrect Jon and not help Stannis. Selyese hangs herself when she realizes this.
Jon Snow is reborn amid salted pork and smoked beef under the bloody star on the tunic of Ser Patrick of Kings mountain in the ice cell in the wall.
Yay, another Quinn video. I really just want the book. 😢
What if “Stannis’s decision” to burn Shireen is the sacrifice needed to wake stone dragons. Since Jon will probably be frozen and stiff and if his parentage is the same it could play into dragon wordplay.
Or given Shireen is the sacrifice maybe there’s a case to be made for stone.
One interesting thing is that Stoneheart isn't technically "changed" but rather her thoughts are "frozen in time", since seeking justice for her son was the last thing on her mind. This is very interesting since we don't know what is the last thing on Jon's mind, but it will likely be revealed after he is resurrected. We only know he says "Ghost" but that could be either his direwolf or perhaps something related to the crypts and his parents "being ghosts" in his life, or who knows, maybe bloodraven sent him a dream before his last breath.
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What if when Jon comes back, he returns and becomes the main villain slowly?
The burning of shireen will certainly be part of Jon’s resurrection
Weirwood Leviathan had a theory that Jon would be revived by Bran and that Bran was the Lord of Light. Really recommend reading his essays
I agree Jon won’t be around for around 1/3 of the book. It seems pretty fair to say that a FoC and DwD covered only 3/4 of what it was meant to (about 600 pages short).
I will resurrect the bastard
Mel switched Jon and Tormund. He died in Jons place and Jons shadow was there. I hope this is true because then Jon will get the credit for a Ressurection and released from the Watch when he was never dead at all…
This is beyond stupid
I like that theory. Order of the green hand makes some compelling points in there video about this
I think I have some kind of law school stress disorder. Every time you mentioned law school my heart raced a little bit
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TBH I dont think Jon will be changed by his resurrection in the same way that Catelyn was because his mind is being preserved in Ghost. Beric's change was gradual over the course of several deaths that were short lived tough he ultimately changed a lot, and Catelyn's death was drastic over one death but she stayed dead for days before being resurrected, implying that the longer youre dead and the more you die the more your mind is warped. Jon will probably be dead for days before being resurrected but his mind will be preserved in ghost so i dont think itll be as drastic a change as Catelyn's resurrection. BUT I think there will still be a change as Varamyr's prologue established that the longer youre warged the more animalistic and feral you because so instead of seeing a crueler more vengeful and warped Jon i think we'll see a more feral and primal and wolf-like Jon. He'll grow aggressive and impulsive and animalistic as opposed to growing colder like Catelyn and Beric did.
My belief is that there are a few thing that are needed for his resurrection. 1. Is the Night's Watch funeral rite have to be spoken, the words "And now his watch has ended" need to be said and accepted by the whole watch in order to ensure Jon is really not beholden to his vows when he comes back and not just a technicality. 2. As mush as none of us want it, I think Ghost has to die, the Direwolves names all represent their owners story direction (Sansa and murder of Lady, murder of her innocence. Robb and Greywind being a powerful short burst. Rickon and Shagydog being mostly irrelevant in the end.) meaning Ghost most likely being Jon's Stark ghost/ past. With this I imagine a scene where what ever resurrections thing they attempt failing and them deciding to burn his body, Night's Watch and Wildlings and other witnesses gathered and Night's Watch words said, pyre alighting before Ghost leaps onto the burning pyre. Moments pass before the figure of Jon stands and walks from the burning pyre (white haired now). Giving us in my opinion the final thing I think need to happen. 3. Jon's Dany moment mirroring the end of book 1. And as for Ghost, part of him could live on in Jon's mind giving Jon the theorised Wolfish nature occasionally, that actually being Ghost.
The Azor Ahai legend seems to imply that the legendary figure had the Ahearn of a white walker, which lends to the "ice resurrection" option.
I hope when jon does come back we don't see his inner thoughts so George can move him to a non pov character as he wants to cut down on them.
And instead see the rest of his story through melissandre, sansa (maybe) or even Theon if he returns to castle black After the battle at winterfell
Honestly I hope it doesn't happen even if it will save chapters since I love Jon's POV and think it would be interesting to see how someone who is resurrected sees things.
Jon not being a POV would be a massively missed opportunity. Especially considering Martin said we will see way more of the north and beyond the wall.
Honestly grrm probably wrote himself into a hole I don’t think we’ll ever see the series finished
I graduated law school and pass the Bar last year, best of luck on 1L. It seems worse than it is, you'll survive
He'll be replaced as our Wall POV by either Eddison Tollett or Mance Rayder. I believe that Jon's revival won't be in Melisandre's perspective, even the magic might be interesting. Even after Jon's revival, which I'm hoping will be around the 2/3 or 3/4 mark in the book, Mance or Edd could both be cool POV characters, and I don't think Jon will stay as a POV after his revival, although maybe we'll get one chapter for Jon that he spends warged into Ghost. If he gets a warg chapter, maybe he'll stay as a POV. I think there will be a Ghost chapter with Jon warged into Ghost for the sole reason of: it would be cool
I also think Willas will be a POV for a Tyrell plotline but that might end up being Olenna
i hope jon snow will come back
It depends on what Brian Sanderson decides, when he takes up the task of finishing the books, according to the notes GRRM left him. Because if you think George Martin will actually finish ASOAIF, i have a bridge to sell you.
Rather than being consigned to an ice cell, I think Jon’s body will be burned in a funeral pyre that thematically mirrors Drogo’s at the end of AGoT. I don’t see why the Night’s Watch mutineers would store Jon’s body. I think while the pyre is lit, Ghost (with Jon’s soul inside) will walk into the fire and similar to how Daenerys was unharmed Jon will be back in his own body unburnt. I think Ghost’s body will be consumed in the fire and afterwards Jon and Ghost will share a duel consciousness in his human body.
It’s not a 1:1 thing but it definitely fits the pattern of “burn a king’s body and some crazy magic shit can happen.” There’s also inherent magic present just by being at the Wall.
cheeky stoneheart joke. subscribed
Jon will never come back to life in the books because we will never see WINDS
Nice
I think George didn’t know exactly what he wanted to do next with Jon so left it ambiguous enough and put the right pieces in the right places where he could have the most options in how to bring Jon back or hell have him not even die and just severely wounded
my theory having read others here to particuarly around parallels to Danys story.
Jon is ice and fire.
I reckon his body gets burned but because hes trueborn targaryan he gets revived by the fire!
> he thinks we're getting Dream
I think they’ll put his body on a pyre and try to burn it, but instead or burning him it brings him back. Oh and his hair will change to that platinum blonde Targaryen color.
Go to the song of ice and fire wiki it tells you characters ages and when they died go to Jon’s character bio it doesn’t say he’s dead so yeah he’s coming back
Jon needs to change when he returns. The lack of change on the show was disappointing
I believe not only Jon warged into Ghost, but also, Ghost and/or Shireen will have to die in order to bring him back. But when he does, he will become a more darker and more brutal character, he will become like Dark Raiden in Mortal Kombat or Stephen Strange Supreme in What If...? He won't be evil, he'll still be a good guy (for lack of a better word) but he will not take anymore BS, and do what he will have to do to survive and (possibly later) take back his home. I also think it be a cool visual if he had one Blue eye and one Red eye.
The Mance wrote the Pink Letter, The Paal family poisoned the locusts and Faegon will be killed by Euron first of he's name, and KL will burn by wildfire set off on accident by Dani, Sansa will marry Big Walder and rule the riverlands, Arya will join the silent sisters after meeting the Hound at Quite Isle, Rickon will lead the Skagosi on Unicorns across the North and re-take Winterfell, Bran will bore everyone and Tyrion will become a travelling Bard and tell STORIES cause like he likes Stories sooo much.
rhoynar magic, jon will come back as a turtle like polnareff
I think that the Night King from the tv show is an edited adaptation of undead Jon. Jon and Bran seem to have some sort of psychic connection in the books, similar to Bran and the Night King in the show.
That’s why the Night King came out of nowhere in the show with his name clumsily introduced. He was meant to be Jon, but the show runners wanted to keep Jon as a heroic protagonist, rather than the leader of an icy army of doom.
(That’s why the Night King has a dragon too. Jon will kill one of Dany’s dragons and use it as an icy zombie dragon mount.)
I will die on this hill. Jon=Night King
Jon just becoming the leader of the white walkers would be terrible if it happened in winds. If it happened at the end of the series it might be OK.
@@mappingshaman5280 It’s all in the execution.
Perhaps the Others have a prophecy about a leader from south of the Wall, and Jon has to grapple with being a savior figure to these strange beings.
"I'll be back" Jon snow's last words
random opinion
Satin’s gonna kiss jon, bringing him back to life and satin will be the wall pov for twow
Which link in the maester’s chain represents mastery of law? Or is that included arcane magic?
The new night's king.
Order of the green hand has a cool theory about how Jon Snow wasn’t killed, because Melisandre uses a glamour making Jon snow look like Tormand Giantsbane, and vice versa like she did with mance and rattle shirt. You’d have to watch the video bc they lay out some good points and an interview where George RR Martin was asked why he killed Jon Snow? And his response was something like, oh, so you think he’s dead?
From teacher to Law school, interesting career background
He will be resurrected by the White Walkers, but he’ll transfer his consciousness from Ghost to his original body and take control of it. Basically he’ll be like Cold Hands.
Damn bro, your a teacher, in law school, and make these videos about "a Song of Ice and Fire"?
Do u sleep?😂
Keep grinding man. Thanks for the new video.
If it's like the show where he is resurrected at no cost to himself or others and comes back as basically the same dude death will be forever cheapened in the series. I don't think GRRM is likely to make that mistake. Personally I really like the idea of resurrected Jon as a much darker character, potentially even a major villain (if he is raised by ice magic.)
he most likely will be mostly intact since his soul is in ghost unlike the other people who were resurrected
I want to see ultra marines to rain from sky by drop pods and purge all heretics and nuisances with bolter fire.
Catelyn was rotting for 3 days, Jon been in a cold environment may come back all black if his blood congeals, but he did get stabbed so maybe all white
What if Bran is actually the one to bring him back? Why wouldnt the old gods be able to bring him back if the lord of light can? Imagine Jon acting weird when eventually it is revealed that Bran was warging into him the entire time all the way from thay cave? All the way into Jon becoming the king? What if the white walkers broke through the wall just as Jon comes back for him to act as a messenger of doom? Going down to Stannis just as he wants to take Winterfell only to retreat leaving the Boltons to die at the hands of the Others? Seems like a cool theory in my mind :P
Bran/Bloodraven would be the ultimate saviour of Westeros by controlling reanimated Jon who will try his best along with Stannis to bring the realm together
I think it might be an "accidental" resurrection that takes place on a kind of funeral pyre.
I think Jon staying dead for a third of Winds is an extremely conservative estimation. I’m fully expecting him to be dead and stuck in Ghost for nearly the entire duration of the book. In fact, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s resurrected at the tail end of Winds. Hell, the damn thing could end with his resurrection. And of course, that will be the end of the saga, seeing as how we’re never going to get DoS.
I wonder Danaerys remembers the spell that was used on Drogo.
I love your videos, and I love all these theories, but why does everyone say the Jon Snow’s last words are “ghost”? When his last words are actually “stick them with the pointy end.”
'somehow, Jon snow has returned'
I haven't seen anyone float the idea of the Lord of Light resurrecting Shireen instead. Probably because it would be bonkers, but still, I haven't seen it.
OK, hear me out. If Coldhands is the Night's King, and the Night's King was indeed a Stark, what if Jon is simply risen as an ice wight. Mayhaps those with Stark blood can't be fully risen as wights and that is the condition to end up as Coldhands. Also works if Coldhands is Benjen.
We don't get any Jon PoV's until Mel arrives late in the book and somehow purifies Jon, making him A Wight of Ice and Fire.
This would be the point we get his PoV back as he is closer to living than any other person who underwent resurrection.
I like it. Sounds believable enough for me
Coldhands i think he is a Ravensteeth
Satin will be Jon's Mary Magdalene awwww
Fire resurrection:You are warm like normal human but with wound you died
Ice resurrection:You are cold have no free will you stop aging
Water resurrection: Your intelligence stops when you die but your body ages
Wirewood resurrection: We do not know how it works
Hear me out what if Jon just stays dead? We could get like one of the wildlings or non-participatory brothers introduced as a POV character with Jon - like varamyr sixskins - ends up staying in Ghost
Mel is already dead, a fire wight, so to speak so she is aware of being able to come back to life. Like Berric, she doesn't eat or drink because it doesn't have any effect on her ( which is why the poison from the Maester didn't work on her). Perhaps she will believe that Jon is Azor and breathe her fire into him?
Maybe Cat will give Jon the kiss of fire because it's the will of R'hllor?
Look at the prologue- warg - ghost - back to his body…
One thing to keep in mind: Thanks to the Pink letter we can assume that Jon is killed a while after the Battle of Ice for Winterfell. So that alone could justify it happening late in the book, while being relatively recent in the book timeline
why would the letter suggest that? the stannis part is verry obviously a lie and nothing of the rest of the letter suggest anything like that
@@kaiserfranzjoseph9311 Because the letter was written after Theon & "Arya" got away successfully. (No matter who has written it, that is a detail that only works with someone knowing that those two got away.) And the ravens were accounted for prior to the battle and they would take a while to reach Castle Black either way. So the events at the wall must have taken place atleast a few days after the start of the battle.
There is also Tycho Nestoris, who met with Jon, travelled to Deepwoood Motte and then to Winterfell. Especially with Winter being there that's a difficult task that took a while.
It's not precise information, but all of it points towards Jon's chapters covering a bigger timeframe than the Asha ones.
I think he’ll probably get resurrected by Melisandre. I think he’ll probably come back and be vengeful like Kat, but then Jon can warg over a take control. That way GRRM can had his cake and eat it. There would have been a price, but because of the warg ability Jon negates it. His hair will probably go white.
2:46 everyones convinced jon will be changed by his resurrection Beric Dondarrion was brought back several times without any issues hate the inconsistencies in geroges magic system
Bran is going to get cold hands to bring johns body to him. Then bran resurrects him like a white walker but without the crazy killer aspect.
Stoneheart was resurrected by fire magic, and Jon is setup to similarly be resurrected. GRRM has called her a “fire wight” before. BUT, Jon may actually be resurrected by ice magic, which would make him more of an “ice wight.” Would be interesting comparison of ice wight Jon and the others