TEAM TALK: THE GREAT IMPOSTOR! HONDA BF 250 VTEC VS TOHATSU BFT 250 D (2022)
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- TEAM TALK: THE GREAT IMPOSTOR! HONDA BF 250 VTEC VS TOHATSU BFT 250 D (2022)
Ever wonder why the Tohatsu 250 looks exactly like the Honda 250? We suspect there's an impostor in the building! Comment below if you're running either a Honda or Tohatsu outboard and what your experience has been like.
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Anyone out there running a Honda or a Tohatsu? Let us know your experiences with them!
16k for a 250 shoot I've heard 27k now for yamaha sho and way backordered so I bet people will be up for trying out a tohatsu. I'm curious to hear about these motors too
I run a 25hp 2016 tohatsu 310hrs as of today. Been running tohatsu since 2000. Tohatsus 20hp-140hp amazing motors. 150hp-250 tohatsu is just a Honda, big a slow but reliable. If I was buying a 250 suzuki or yamaha.
Can't get a Suzuki right now and looking at repowering with a Tohatsu 140. Been hearing a lot of good things about them and at a few thousand less than suzuki and still a 5 year warranty, seems like a good deal
I wanted a suzuki 115ss for my 18ft center console but I can't get it so I'll probably end up with the tohatsu 115. I've looked at the tohatsu 115 and 140 at the local dealer and the motor is simple and well built. If it's anything like their 25s and 40s then A+.
@@craiglafosse8086 that Tohatsu 115 will hang with the Suzuki. Way better than getting a Merc lol
I just bought a 2022 250 tohatsu, quite,fuel efficient, smooth running motor,it's on a 2002 240 bayscout,pushes it around 50 mph,love it.
Tohatsu is the best bang for your buck in outboards engines. The problem is they like the Hondas are super heavy. But you can't beat them. Bullet proof also
I have a 2015 50 fourstroke tohatsu on a 16' fiberglass flatbottom with a polling platform. I mostly saltwater fish and I have had zero issues with it. With a 13.25x15p prop it pushes the boat 36 knots w/ 2 people. I beat the hell out of it and she just keeps on going. I paid $6,750 brand new out the door rigging installed and taxes included. It was also the cheapest compared to all the other brands at the time by $800, the next cheapest was the Suzuki. I was skeptical about the brand but the dealer I bought it from said that if I didn't like it he would pull the engine off and give me a full refund plus $100, I said bring it on 🤘. I totally recommend getting one
Great engines. And tohatsu and Honda have been sharing tech for years. Mercury shares with tohatsu also in their little motors. Tohatsu is kind of a free agent outboard.
Tohatsu makes all 30hp down for Mercury.
@@shyman9023 yes they do. And they’re bulletproof
Fishermen in Asia have been using Tohatsu exclusively for decades. That should tell you a lot about the outboard, they put long hours on their motors and they need them to be dependable, they run forever. I sold Tohatsu in the 90's. They were good dependable motors then and they've only gotten better
A lot of waterfowl hunters use 40 horsepower Tohatsus. Amazing engines in my opinion.
I have a 30 rocking a gheenoe at 32mph. great motor cranks every time and quiet
Tohatsu makes outboards and let's other companies rebrand lol..most smaller Mercury motors are rebranded tohatsu motors(due to a joint venture with Brunswick corp.)
If Honda wanted to build a performance outboard they would probably do it better than the other companies. Their Indy car engines run strong.
Acura has a 3.0T V6 that could work as an outboard with maybe 300 to 350 hp.
I think Tohatsu is the oldest outboard engine maker in japan and makes for Honda and some Mercury's up to 150 hp
Tohatsu has been making outboards since 1956
Please remember not everyone need a 90 mph boat. People like me just want a decent dependable boat and motor. I'm 73 and been bass fishing 50 yrs of more. My boat is a 92 pro 17 tracker with a 89 55 hp Yamaha.
Does just fine and fills my needs. Plus when towing my mileage only decreases 1 mpg.
Dependability is key!
AGREED! I am (71yrs old) in the middle (8 days out) waiting for my HONDA BFP60 with BLAST, Programmable Fuel Injection, a high performance heavy-duty gear case, Lean Burn Control, and variable speed trolling to be delivered to my dealer to be installed on my 1998 Crestliner 1750 fish hawk SC
Heard the low end torque is surprising on the Tohatsu. The Honda made motors are the 150 and up (BFT) and the original Tohatsu builds 140 and under (MFT)
Great info Jesse! Thanks for sharing that!!
@@TeamMarineService no prob Andy! I just do what I can and tried to make some sweet sound effects whole I'm at it lol
@@jessecooper9795 🤣🤣🤣 Love it buddy!!
@@TeamMarineService keep up the great work! 💪💪
Honda marine parts are expensive but same part from tohatsu on Honda works. Can also use Honda car components in a bind on marine engines.cheaper.
Hey those are the same outboards!!!!!
🤣🤣🤣
I see very few bass boats with either motor
Remember those bass tournament anglers get sponsorships from Mercury, Yamaha and Suzuki. Tohatsu doesn’t do a lot of advertising or sponsorships, thus their prices are lower. There is nothing worse than being on the water with an unreliable outboard…….I’ve already been down that road with a couple other brands, have 2 Tohatsu outboards now and wouldn’t change
I have a 2019 60hp on my boat. Great motor! I originally was set on a Suzuki but my dealer recommended a Tohatsu. More than $1000 cheaper and better warranty too.
Tohatsu used to be Nissan Marine.
Two companies hooking up to make a a product? That's not exactly unheard of.
Nice to know that they're the same though.
They took it from the Honda Civic and dropped it right in there 🤣😂🤣
Ring ding ding ding!
VTEC is different than VVT typically. Had a 2002 200HP Honda with the 3.5 Honda Odyssey and Pilot motor off the cars. The difference back then was the 200hp didn’t,have the hydraulic valve for engaging the VTEC at 4500 rpm. The 225HP had the valve so basically same power and torque below 4500. I didn’t care to rag my motor out above 4500 on plane. Plus salt water waves make it uncomfortable so I save the $1000-$1500 hours. Coast,Guard mechanic said they regularly run them over 5000 hours
The 150 is a defined Honda accord motor. In the accord the same motor made 187 hp at 8000 rpm. Great motor on my bass boat
Yea now you got me wanting to know what's going on with Vexus??
Not now my dad had one. Mid 80s whit cowling blue mid section yellow prop. You I think the tank size was 3-4 gallon it was a 10hp said 100 on the cowling
The only thing that should be important is Timing belt or chain. To replace the Timing belt on a Yamaha is $1800 to $2500 if you can find a mechanic to do the job. Susuki FTW. Timing chain, and been around longer than Tahshit
how about the 450r merc's are they any good?
Chevy and GMC of the boat motor world, so incredibly different that they are twins 🤣
🤣🤣 Nailed it Chris!!!
GMC and Chevrolet are the same company. General Motors
Sounds like my 2002 mercury 115 efi 4stroke…. Vs a 2002 yamaha f115.. great motor it’s just a black yamaha f115. During that era from 01 to 06
How about a segment on E-15 fuel in outboards. Need to get the danger associated with it to the subscribers
The secret to going fast?.........time and money. Really it's all below the water line, and weight. How efficient is your hull? And what does the lower unit shape look like? There's a reason a merc sport master is shaped the way it is. On a real performance hull, any make 250 with a merc sporty lower unit will run a good number. Horse power is horse power. No matter if it's merc black, rude blue, yammy gray..... With the advent of merc removable hubs a person can run a merc prop on about anything. Real performance is all in weight, the hull bottom, and the prop and lower unit profile, gear ratio, and shape.
Oh definitely! An Allison with a Tohatsu is gonna walks away from a Ranger Z520L boat with a Merc!
What do you think of the off shore fishing boats
We've rigged a few of the over the years but overall we do not have a lot of experience with a lot of them
@@TeamMarineService yeah I guess you probably wouldn't get alot of them in Wisconsin lol
Downside to Honda big motors is they'd are auto engines and are not optimized for power to weight. They have proven designs though
Seems Honda puts a Tohatsu label on them to offer at a sub-Suzuki price point.
I have a Honda BF200 on a tritoon. It's been a good motor. Nice and quiet. But, I think it's a good bit heavier than other brands. My stern sits lower than I think it should. If I'm boat shopping again I'd be happy opting for a Tohatsu, especially for the price difference.
Save money on advertising and pass it on. I bought a 2017 MD115 in 2018 for $8,000 out the door.
My 18fr bass boat does 65 with new fury prop. Not bad for just a prop change
You're talking from a Bass fisherman's point of view or even a speed boat guys pov.
Honda focus is on the offshore industry as most of their engines are sold in New Zealand and Australia. When those guys are out fishing, they don't care if their motor makes them go 3 NPH faster like the Mercury. They just want their motor to get them home every time because if your engine peters out (like Mercury's do often) you f**ked because you're stuck sitting on top of the Great Barrier Reef. They also like fuel economy. Honda/Suzuki/Yamaha/Tohatsu fit that build because all four of them are in that bracket. Mercury's are for guys that drive Corvettes. The Merc gives you a great holeshot and top speed when it's not in the shop.
We agree! Mercs are the fastest outboards on their way to the service shop. We prefer Suzuki and Yamaha overall
Never had problem with Honda outboard. Slow and work horse
Honda outboards are the most reliable motors. I will take that over 5 mph faster any day.
@teammarine what prop do y’all recommend the ss250 on a x21??
27 or 28 Solas Scorpion you could try
My x21 won’t get past 65mph loaded, about to do some prop shopping or just flash the SHO…🙁
@@kylewiedenfeld8239 what shaft motor do you got? Is your transom 23”? Mine is and I got the 20” shaft but I’m thinking I should got the 25”. Got the bobs hydraulic and if I raise mine up at all I lose speed.
@@6209buckshot hmmm not sure I haven’t measured it, it’s a250 sho with a 6” atlas, if I raise mine over 3 to 3 1/2” I gain rpm but lose speed as well, if mine atlas is buried it runs the fastest but I can only turn 5400 to 5500 rpm… I have the PTvmx 25p, PT told me to send the prop to them so they can look at it, while they have I will put on my T1 26p and run it for awhile, you think Xpress put the wrong engine on?
@@kylewiedenfeld8239 I don’t know mine came with a 10” manual jack plate, but with the new ss250 I got a bob 10”. So I don’t know if the 10” jack plate offset the 3”? I’m still breaking mine in so haven’t let it fully eat yet?
Anything Tohatsu from a 60hp is rebranded Honda just like mercury and mariner same motor different color and name. Tohatsu has an agreement with Honda to build their bigger 4 strokes. The Great imposter is absolutely correct 💯
Tohatsu is 8lb heavier because the $6000.00 you save weighs that much in 1 dollar bills! LoL😜
honda uses showa tilt/trim units
Both are the same engine but Americans love name brands and that's why the Hondas cost more
Tohatsu claims to be the global leader in outboard sales, not sure if that is true or not.
It's hard to believe that!
@@TeamMarineService Its easy to believe they are not because of pro fisherman all using either yamaha or mercury. its the guys not on tv that you dont see. down here in Louisiana i see about 5 tohatsu's to every yahama/mercury and thats probably underestimating. if you take yamaha and mercurys 250HP sales out of the equation, the numbers are not as impressive as youd think.
Global yes. USA not even close. Asian market is huge! So that could be right. Especially if they are rebranding the same motors for different markets
A good vid. But it bothered me every time you mispronounced "Tohatsu" as "Taihatsu".
Variable lift is Vtec
Bingo!
they are the same even the controls are honda
From several articles I found in 2013 the Tohatsu larger engines are made by Honda and relabeled.
Merc 2.5 from racing division rule and are living and thriving in the Southeast
Long live 2 strokes!!!
🤣🤣🤣 Andy your thumbnails kill me!!!
Haha thanks buddy!!!
In costal North Carolina a lot of commercial fisherman choose tohatsu because I believe it is only manufacture that extends warranty to commercial industry. But it has to be serviced by official certified service center
That's interesting, we will have to look into that. If so we can definitely see why the commercial guys go that route
My 30hp 👍👍
Buddy has a 40hp 👍👍
I don't know anyone who owns a 4 stroke tohatsu who doesn't like it. I DON'T KNOW ANYONE WHO HAS THE REBAGED HONDA.
My new boat is getting a tohatsu 140hp 🤷♂️
I want a Honda so I can scream vtec kick in yo
I run a 150 tohatsu on a 2021 178 progator. Great motor so far. Couldn’t get any other motors in stock, but did a lot of research before buying. Knew top end would be a little slow. Holeshot is par with the other motors and I’m sure if I wanted to spend a bunch of money I could get it to run within 3 or so mph of the other motors. Right now I’m probably 7-8 behind the others, but the boat rides amazing so I don’t care. Does exactly what I expected, smooth and quiet. If I take off the cowling there’s Honda written on a bunch of parts. Exact same motor, Honda makes everything 150 and up. Not sure when that started though.
If you wanna throw up a big rooster tail don’t buy one of these lol
Great info!!! We are confident that with time and money you could get it within the same ballpark as the other motors. Thanks for sharing!! 👍🏻
Have a 2017 Tohatsu 150 hp and it literally says Honda wrote on the valve cover but it is an awesome motor. Not the fastest but couldn’t ask for a smoother running motor.
I call Tohatsu the Honda civic or Toyota Camry of the boating world. Dependable, affordable, quiet, and economic. I had a 60 and it was great, just upgraded to a 140. So quiet idling is the best part. You don’t have to yell when sitting at blast off for a tournament.
We need a long sleeve shirt that says Team Marine Service on the back with your logo on the front and down the side of 1 or both of the sleeves "Speed Money & No Brakes" !!!
Great Idea! We will send this off to Jordan to have some made
Let’s get some walleye or deep v fishing boats on there.
Agree.
Do you guys want to get your hands on a gator trax? Im thinking of bringing my 20 foot strike with 250ss it up to your area after the 4th of July.
Yes yes yes yes!!!! Shoot us over an email to speedmoneynobrakes@gmail.com to keep this conversation going! Thanks buddy
@@TeamMarineService sent you an email
A friend of mine has a triton with a 250 Honda. He loves it. He bought it from a big time older pro. I think it's a 2019. I don't know what he gets wot but he doesn't care. Hint a bassmaster classic winner.
I run a Honda 150 on my Playcraft 2600 Powertoon. Runs great, quiet, and gives super fuel economy.
Jordan’s video editing is great! Your interactions is one of the things that makes these videos entertaining.
Dying to know what the vexus news is.
We appreciate that! We will pass that along to Jordan!
@@TeamMarineService well, don’t let it go to his head 😂
not thaihatsu ...TOHATSU..ha ha ...translate the cc to ci is ridiculous in an outboard ...no need for that
Can we get a best fish and ski? Or best budget fish and skis video? Love the content brother
He escuchado en varios puertos en España, sean de agua dulce o de agua salada, que con un Tohatsu no rivalices ni te piques nunca, por qué saldrás mal parado, y donde más diferencia se nota esto es en bajas cilindradas, yo si me tuviera que comprar un fueraborda ahora mismo tengo claro que sería Tohatsu. (refiriéndose a motores de los mismos caballos).
Sounds like both are built by the same mother company like Chevy and GMC..
Looks like the weight difference is Honda’s weight is without oils the other is with !! Plan and simple is Chevy and gmc !!
100% on the chevy GMC and we think you could be right on the oils
Seatow runs quite a bit of Hondas in Florida.
Curious what your opinion on the Sharrow loop prop is?
It's definitely interesting but we don't know a lot on it yet.
The numbers on the Sharrow are promising, and good on fuel efficiency and performance. Those numbers. however, doesn’t justify the additional cost over conventional props. When you’re talking dropping 3k plus on a prop, you gotta do a shitload of boating to offset the investment in the Sharrow prop.
Throw a video od new Tohatsu MFS140 and 115. We are courious !
Покупаешь Тохатсу мфс75 ,потом увеличиваешь его до 140 сил. Меняешь рестриктор во всасывающем диффузоре, электронный блок управления ( либо его перепрограммирование), распределительный вал. Отличный мотор, самый большой крутящий момент, среди 2х литровых подвесников. Длинноходная и дезаксиальная компоновка двигателя, равнодлинный выхлопной коллектор, мощный генератор. Привет из России!
Always heard Tohatsu made a rock solid outboard...guess it was Honda, or maybe it was Tohatsu?
Haha someone help us out and get to the bottom of it....does Honda make it or does Tohatsu make it???
@@TeamMarineService Tohatsu only makes up to 140hp motors themselves. Honda makes the 150 and up for them.
The Tohatsu’s from 150hp and up are Honda’s. Just different paint thats why Honda is a BF and a Tohatsu is a BFT. The T stands for Tohatsu. I was a Tohatsu dealer. When Honda first started building them for Tohatsu they started at 75hp to 250hp.
The bigger four strokes USED TO BE Hondas from 70hp and up until Tohatsu designed their own up to a 150. I bought a 115, which can be hopped up to a 140 very easily.
@@ripperaceНадо было брать тогда Тохатсу мфс75 и заменить на нëм рестриктор во всасывающем диффузоре, блок управления и распределительный вал. Гонять на 140, а платить за 75. Привет из России!
It’s like the Mercury/Mariner thing
Jesse Wiggins Team Honda
Suzuki is on the move with R and D. See many prior mercury owners now suzuki owners in indiana that love their suzuki.
Totally! Mercury better start taking notice
@@TeamMarineService Exactly. Especially with the pontoon crowd.
😂😂😂😂
What sets the same hp from each manufacturer apart? Why is mercury faster? Fuel system maybe?
I’ve always heard tohatsu makes the guts of smaller Mercury motors. Not sure if it’s true though.
Well even though they say 250 hp there's some of them that are closer to 260-270. Gear case efficiency and design has a lot to do with it
I have a 2008 25 Merc fourstroke and all the part numbers for it are tohatsu.
Tohatsu builds Mercury motors up to 30hp. Just different paint.
Had a 1999 70 hp suzuki the evenrude 70hp 4stroke was the same engine. Suzuki made it for them and just relabled it.
a few factors make the difference in like horsepower brands. weight, peak rpm, lower unit profile and gear ratio, and props themselves are a whole other can of worms.
Looked at the Merch, everything looks sold out. What I would really like is a "Speed, Money, NO BRAKES!!" decal for my new boat. 🙂
Our green and black T-Shirts are and our Green sweatshirt with the logo on the front is sold out. Everything else is in stock!
We can make up some of those decals too! Great idea
Decals in 6” size
Yes with team marine on bottom of decal. I'd put one on my truck especially being a Suzuki 250ss owner with your prop recommendation.
What about review on tohatsu mfs140?
Бери лучше мфс75, потом увеличишь мощность до 140. Заменишь рестриктор во всасывающем диффузоре, электронный блок управления ( либо его перепрограммирование), распределительный вал. Платишь за 75-- гоняешь на 140. Отличный длинноходный, дезаксиальный двигатель с самым большим крутящим моментом среди 2х литровых подвесников, равнодлинный выхлопной коллектор, мощный генератор. Привет из России!
Fyi, outboard motors can be plus or minus 10% of the advertised HP. If you put both motors on a Dyno Yamaha/Merc would come in a closer to 275. The Honda 225. Add the 90lbs weight difference vs a SHO and their is your speed difference.
There is always a price to be paid for performance. Personally I would not own a merc or yamaha thats is not under warranty. A power head is is 14k with parts labor and taxes. Maybe more now days with LONG wait times.
Yamaha and Merc are “Racing” motors and subject to failure.
A local guide is on his 3rd SHO power head on a 2021 motor with under 800 hours. Another “Pro-bass fisherman said he had yamahas crew out his power head twice in one weekend. That extra weight is thicker, heavier parts that make a huge difference in long shelf life. Same goes with Diesel Yacht engines. The high performance motors tweeked to the max will need an owner with deep pockets whereas the same block but detuned will run thousands of hours trouble free. Not everyone wants to go 70 mph. On my lake with all the wakeboard boats and yachts 50 is too fast. I’ll take reliability every time. IMHO.
Has new boat prices ever gone down from year to year? Wondering if these high prices are here to stay.
Higher and higher every year! We do not see an end in sight
As long as people keep paying, they will keep going up. Good thing is that you are less likely to buy and lose money if you want to sell any time soon.
Hell no.
BIG SECRET Tohatsu makes motors for Honda in higher hp and motors for Mercury in lower hp.
Are there any small motors that are imposters? I don't think my 14 ft boat needs 250hp.
It's Honda. It's the same 3.6 v6 base platform as their road vehicles.
plz do a top 10 seadoo/jetski video. love the content
Are there 10 good ones in total????
@@TeamMarineService yes and my #1 is a 1996 seado XP,
just do some research and i would love to see that video
Friend has one, poor hole shot and top end
Sounds like a lose lose!
@@TeamMarineService I think it was some kind of promo or free
The same happens with yamaha 4 stroke and selva marine 4 stroke
Did you see their 3.t and mercury’s 3.5?
2021 20hp tohatsu battery less fuel injected. Fantastic!!
I have same motor 30hp……great technology
Im thinking about getting a 250 tohatsu outboard
Бери уж лучше тогда ямаху ф200 в6 4.2литра, потом увеличишь мощность до 300 сил, путëм замены блока управления, либо его перепрограммирования.Заплатишь за 200, а гонять будешь на 300. Привет из России!
I run a Honda 250 on an Alumacraft Trophy 205. It has great low end torque plus it’s quiet and fuel efficient. It trolls really well too.
As far as top end goes, it tops out at 49-51 mph with a 19p stainless. I’m sure it could do better. I’ve heard from others a Suzuki would be like 50-52 and Yamaha/Merc like 52-54. Not really a significant difference especially when the vast majority of people rarely run WOT. I do maybe 5% of the time, but the lake we boat on most has a speed limit of 40 mph which it does easily and comfortably.
Propping and gear ratios due make a difference, but the Honda is better suited to running heavier loads along with better reliability which is why they are used heavily in commercial and offshore applications. While not apples to apples,but sort of similar. The Merc or Yamaha is like having a truck with 3.21 gears vs the Honda which is like a truck with 3.92 gears.
Overall a great choice for pontoons and typical fiberglass/aluminum runabouts/fishing boats. Unless tweaked or propped differently for the tournament bass boater, it wouldn’t meet their priorities of WOT top speed.
See alot of Suzuki on pontoons at lake Lanier!