Thank you for this posting..I am 72 and have studied the scriptures on my own for well over 40 years.I have never "fit in" with the Bible studies at various churches because my method as God leads is much like Brother Feldick presents. Only recently have I stumbled into these teachings on early morning tv (no cable)..I am greatly encouraged as I was beginning to wonder if my mind was spiritually sound. I must mention that Mr. Feldick being a fellow Okie grabbed my attention immediately. : )
Thank you brother Les for clearly revealing the Word of Truth regarding this soon "catching away" event for all who love Jesus Christ. He is coming back for all who love Him to rescue us before the Fathers wrath falls on the unrighteous. Praise His name! As our Messiah said" I go to prepare a place for you that so where I am may ye also be"! God bless.
Karen, please heed Paul's warning not to believe preachers like Les Feldick who teach the gathering of God's people will take place before the man of sin is revealed. Rather, be prepared to endure to the end for Jesus said those who do endure to the end will be saved. In Jesus' detailed account of his return, he never said a word about taking believers to heaven before the abomination that causes desolation appears. Instead, he clearly taught that ALL of the elect from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens will be gathered AFTER the tribulation. God bless.
Karen don't accept deception from game loser; the truth is "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” The reason the man of sin is revealed is due to many many falling away from the faith unto another gospel. Jehovah Witness Seventh Day Adventist and Catholicism and the like spirit of error. It is clear that gameloser believes his denomination teaching rather than Gods Word. SO SAD 😀❤😇😎
th-cam.com/video/sQC_2OlF4xQ/w-d-xo.html Here is lecture from my church, and my pastor, pastor Arnold Murray. Pastor Murray's lecture is very in-depth.,this one is concerning the rapture. Hope you like it. It's a warning to all people.
@@edwahjoshua1206 actually the son of perdition is the devil. The word perdition means,"to perish". Read in depth. Study God's Word chapter by chapter and verse by verse! Ezekiel 13KJV even proves that God is "20:AGAINST those who teaches My children to fly to save their souls! " Please don't take this man, or any other mans word for it without checking it out in God's Word! You need to dig deep! God is of Spiritual things. The devil is of the world! Remember this! As long as you are still in your flesh body(you pinch your arm and it hurts), anything claiming to be Jesus come to rapture you out of here is an AntiChrist (anti=instead of). Antichrist is none other then the serpent in the garden, which will come in as a subtle person, "prosperously and peacefully", to "deceive MANY" many unlearned CHRISTIAN'S!!!! He will try to decieve the whole world! But God's elect know God's Plan. We are in the 5th trump, the time of teaching. The Antichrist comes at the 6th trump, in Jerusalem, when Michael the arch angel kicks Satan and his fallen angels out of heaven and onto earth. That's why God tells us to keep God (not hair) over our heads to protect us from the angels,, THAT is the ONLY hour of Temptation-tribulation . There's no pre-tribulation. God will send His two witnesses to also warn the people who some will kill them and let them lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days until the 7th trump when the true God comes. God's elect will be brought up to Death which is the devil-Antichrist, and they are not to premeditate what they shall say, but let God Speak through them! As it is written! Read Mark 25 ,Matthew 13, Revelations! The Bible!!! Do NOT be decieved (for DECEPTION is the "mark" of the beast-devil-Antichrist IN the forehead, what's in your forehead? You're brain! Don't be decieved, don't get the mark, and don't do the Antichrists works (for that is the "mark" in right hand) the right hand in the Bible always symbolizes your works, don't help the Antichrist he is an abomination!)and as long as you're in the flesh, it is NOT the true God, it's an insteadof-Christ(ANTI-Christ).For at the 7th trump we will be changed into our SPIRITUAL bodies in the TWINKLING of an eye as it is written and every knew will bow and every tongue will confess that JESUS CHRIST IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR!!! AMEN. THEN comes the Millennium where we God's elect and the kings and queens of the ethnos will be teaching to their relatives who didn't quiet make it. Then the devil will be released a short season to see who will fall for him and who will stand . Those who fall for him AGAIN will be thrown into hell with him and be blotted out forever. Amen.
Wow, thank you Mr.Feldick for your service all these years..My mom found your bible study on TV in Okc 3yrs ago and loves you..She has been born again since 1983 and former 700 clubber, Copeland & the likes of those..but did stop growing in God and fell into a depression Took her a long time for her to fjnd a Shepard...She believes that you Sir have renewd her Faith, health and she is no longer a Luke warm Christian about who God is to her... She has a deep faith and trust in God. I believe that this is not about pre or post but about faith in God and that moves all understanding..Myself as of 3days ago was backslidden for nearly 20yrs and my mothers faith and God answered those prayers and covered me in the blood of christ daily, and I today i walk once more in Salvation.. Jesus amen
Praise the Lord. I worry for my own now, as they call me a fanatic for wanting to study my Bible so much. This world today has MANY traps for our youth.
I really enjoy the teaching of Mr. Feldick. I used to think their was a post rapture due to the teachings of Dr.Kent Hovind, but now I am listening to Les and he makes more sense of it all. This is my 2nd time of listening to him. God* bless you all, in Christ Jesus* name. AMEN
Praise God! Thank U Bro for putting studies up! It is REALLY encouraging as I have been saved now alil over 25+ yrs and I was saved on pre-trib beliefs and I await the "Blessed Hope" along with other saved bro & sis. May we all be "RaptureReady" wen the Briide of Christ is called to our new home(Heaven bound) by the Bride Groom,Jesus Christ,our Lord & Savior! Even so Lord Jesus come quickly!Sooo exciting..Keep da Faith!
RIP, Les. I've listened to you for years, including watching you on TV for several more. You were a great teacher & I learned much from you. Thanks to you & Iris. Stay strong, Iris.
Donna Adams Matthew 24 is Jesus talking to his JEWISH Apostles about the tribulation. He's not addressing the church. We don't get the full revelation of the church doctrines until after Paul is converted in Acts 9 . You are missing the transition thar takes place in Acts . You can't live in Matthew , Mark , Luke and John and expect to be biblically sound .
@@donnaadams1765 You have to blame the Holy Spirit for every mistake you make when you get something wrong. Not a good idea to virtue signal as if your audience is to be impressed. What do you appeal to when someone reproves one of your potential doctrinal mistakes? If you are going to post this undefined remark, you should at least give an example of how it is in agreement or disagreement with this video message.
Found you just the other day and have spent hours reviewing your videos. I have been rightly dividing the word for many years now and am so glad I found you.
Les is a teacher of the word of God. I very much am a fan of his style. I support his cause & as a scientist, have followed along with his teaching with intent. I find Les to be the most accurate teacher in this time. Les is rite on. He does it as a professional scientific method instructor. If you have been taught to critically think, it should make sense.Wake up believers. Les is rite in my opinion.
MOREOVER: Revelation 19 11. And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. 17. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of the great God; 18. That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great. 19. And I saw the Beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. 20. And the Beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. 21. And the REMNANT were SLAIN with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh. Revelation 20 1. And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the SOULS OF THEM THAT WERE BEHEADED for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had NOT WORSHIPPED the Beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is THE FIRST RESURRECTION. 6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. ....and: 1 Thessalonians 4 15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and REMAIN unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are ASLEEP. 16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and THE DEAD in Christ SHALL RISE FIRST: 17. Then we which are alive and REMAIN shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. REMAIN περιλειπόμενοι perileipomenoi G4035 vp Pres pasD Nom Pl m ones-surviving - Survivors, those who survive a disaster - ἁρπαγησόμεθα harpagEsometha G726 vi 2Fut Pas 1 Pl shall-be-being-snatched-away ...and: Revelation 1 7. Behold, he cometh with CLOUDS; and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. - So everything is very clear: the first resurrection of the 1.Thessalonians 4 is the same as that of Revelation 20... for then there is the first resurrection of the believers... after the Great Tribulation when the Antichrist governs the earth. Rapture teaching before the great tribulation is FALSE because raptured and resurreciton before the first resurection is IMPOSSIBLE!... Is a LIE! - *************** MOREOVER: 2 Timothy 4 7. I have fought a good fight, i have finished my course, i have kept the faith: 8. Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me AT THAT DAY: and not to me only, but unto ALL THEM also that love HIS APPEARING. ἐπιφάνεια epiphaneian G2015 n_ Acc Sg f ON-APPEARance Appearance, Showing someone - Will be AT THAT DAY at HIS APPEARING and unto ALL THEM will be a crown of righteousness. Not in stages ... rapture and then others will come. ALL at once. - *************** MOREOVER: Hebrews 9 27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he APPEAR the SECOND TIME without sin UNTO SALVATION. ὀπτάνομαι ophthEsetai G3700 vi Fut Pas 3 Sg to appear - rapture cannot be true... because those who will be raptured ARE NOT SAVED!... because SALVATION is ONLY when LORD JESUS APPEAR!....and LORD APPEAR ONLY at Armageddon... the LAST DAY! - Now... do you understand how fake is this teaching about rapture? ***************
MOREOVER: John 6 44. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will RAISE HIM UP at THE LAST DAY. - rapture cannot be true... because those who will be raptured ARE NOT SAVED!... because the FIRST RESURRECTION It occurs when LORD JESUS come back at Armageddon which is The LAST DAY: Revelation 20 4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION. *************** To be martyr for Christ is not wrath of God...is honour! Apostasy is here. Very soon must rise AntiChrist and false prophet. When AntiChrist appear to confirm 7 years covenant, pre-trib will fall. And then will be fulfilled what Apostle Paul says: - 2 - Thessalonians 2 1. Now we beseech you, brethren, by THE COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM, 2. That ye be NOT soon SHAKEN IN MIND, or BE TROUBLED, neither BY spirit, nor by WORD, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at HAND. 3. Let NO MAN DECEIVE YOU by any means: for THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST, and THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the SON of PERDITION; 4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Apostle Paul says... if anyone says that the day of Lord (His return) is before AntiChrist appear, is under influence of another spirit. Bible is very clear. *************** READ CAREFULLY: The conevant confirmed by the antiChrist Daniel 9 - about THE Antichrist - 27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE WEEK: and in the MIDST OF THE WEEK he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. ONE WEEK - 7 years
LORD Jesus Christ speak: Matthew 24 14. And THIS GOSPEL of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL THE WORLD for a witness UNTO ALL NATIONS; and THEN SHALL THE END COME. 15. When ye therefore SHALL SEE the ABOMINATION of DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21. For THEN shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
- THEN?...THEN shall be great tribulation!...WHEN?.. when antichrist enter in Temple...WHEN?...in midst of 7 year covenant!.. - Yes... christians (disciples of Christ) must endure 3 and half years great tribulation...which start after 3 and half years of fake covenant (7 years). - VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION: What kind of teachers guided by The Holy Spirit are they if this "preachers" have no idea that the great tribulation will be for 3 and half years and not for 7 years?... Which spirit lead in confusion this preachers?... Think about that! ...Not many will REMAIN... because the largest number of christians will go in Kingdom of Elohim, after they refuse to obey antichrist and to receive his mark. Is a honor to die for Christ. But... for this apostate church... to die for Christ is madness. Christians have no problem to rot due to cancer ... but to die for Christ is foolishness to them!... Apostasy is here. Very soon must rise the antichrist and the false prophet.
Iurkowski Dorian The Tribulation is for the unsaved. They must stay on Earth to go through the Wrath of God along with the Nation of Israel, not Believers. The Body of Christ, His Church will not be punished with the Tribulation unbelievers on Earth. (ll Thessalonians 2: 1-3; l Corinthians 15: 51-54; l Thessalonians 4: 13-18; Titus 2: 13.) Why would you think He would do that to us?! We have no sin to be punished for. If we stayed here it would be Jesus suffering all over again. We are His Body. I Peter 3: 18a, “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,...”; also Hebrews 9: 28. Another thing, leaving us here would be God mixing His Law with His Grace. The Bible says these two cannot be mixed.
John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that EVERYONE who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the LAST DAY.”
Remember:Snatched/ Caught Up/ Rapture is a separate event from God returning on the last day. 1 Thes. 4:17 ... caught up in the clouds meet the Lord in the air...(that's the second Heaven - God doesn't set foot on the Renewed Earth). Hope this helps 🙏🏻✝️📖🛐🕊
David--- Never said I was pretrib. However, if you say PreTrib is not the truth, then I would immediately assume it is, considering how wrong you are about absolute fundamentals of God's word.
+Landy Tandy Good for you. Do you know the first commandment? There is ONE God and "beside" Him is no other God. Where is Jesus? At the right hand of God..."beside" Him. Do you know what Teshuvah is? Repent and RETURN to God. Or the Days of Awe? Last chance to do that repenting!!! Who is Jesus' God? Did Jesus pray to himself? How did Jesus tell us to pray? "Our FATHER who are in heaven"! Did Jesus tell us ANYWHERE to pray to Him rather than the Father? What was Jesus' response when called good? He said no, the Father is! This is why I am the way I am. I do not deny that Jesus is the Son of God at all. I do not deny that Jesus is the prophet like Moses. I do not deny that Jesus is Gods word cast into Marys womb. I listen to the first and foremost commandment above ALL else.
ALL I Know is if the pre trib rapture turns out to be wrong as the church believed for 1,900 years then every single one of the pre trib preachers will end up being a false prophet.
PROVERBS 10:30 "The righteous SHALL NEVER BE REMOVED: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth." PROVERBS 2:21-22 "For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect SHALL REMAIN IN it.22But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it." PROVERBS 3:25-26 "Be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh26For the LORD shall be thy confidence, and shall KEEP THY FOOT FROM BEING TAKEN." JUST LIKE IN THE DAYS OF NOAH IT WILL BE THE wicked THAT ARE TAKEN JUST LIKE THE WICKED WERE taken BY THE FLOOD WATERS. Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." 1 Peter 4:12 "Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:" Psalms 37:8-11 "Refrain from anger and turn from wrath; do not fret--it leads only to evil.9.For those who are evil will be destroyed, but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.10.A little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look for them, they will not be found." Acts 14:22 "Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God." John 17:15 "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil." Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Revelation 13:7 "It was given power to wage war against God's holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation."
Lord God ALMIGHTY is the chain breaker, the resurrection, HE speaks creation, life, and HOLY POWER is The (his)Holy Spirit of Love, Peace and A sound mind, Rejoice in the LORD Jesus of Nazareth
John 14:26 But the COMFORTER, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Akeila, please heed Paul's warning not to believe preachers like Les Feldick who teach the gathering of God's people will take place before the man of sin is revealed. Rather, be prepared to endure to the end for Jesus said those who do endure to the end will be saved. In Jesus' detailed account of his return, he never said a word about taking believers to heaven before the abomination that causes desolation appears. Instead, he clearly taught that ALL of the elect from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens will be gathered AFTER the tribulation. God bless.
@@thereturn2361 You have no idea how to apply 2nd Timothy 2:15 KJV. The tribulation is not church age doctrine. It is called the time of Jacob's trouble
Thanks for the bible lesson. I enjoyed listening. I have noticed also that it seems the teaching on the Rapture is gaining more negativity among people which I've found surprising. I guess that too is a sign of the "end" times, perhaps.
+Tracy Zdelar People that know the truth are very tired of the cowards thinking they will escape the trial of their faith. But more than that is the fact the many Christians and non Christians will loose their salvation based on these false teachings as they may think they will get a second chance for eternal LIFE if they refuse the mark, because these pre and mid tribulation lies have many unprepared for reality. We will all be faced with the mark of the beast, but only those that are prepared in spirit and mind and heart by the holy Spirit will be able to endure until the end just as the bible predicts. Any other teaching is just errors coming from the cowards. And the bible states that no coward will have eternal life, but will experience the second and final death.
+Brad Renfroe Rom_11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. how do we explain this, for reference it says the branches are cut off for unbelief not works
+Brad Renfroe I know John 15 im not referrencing that. Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Its talking about the fact that the "Jews" that were cut off for the unbelief and not for the purpose so we could be graffed in (gentiles)
@DonCornelius366 The subject we're talking about is tribulation, great tribulation and the timing of the great tribulation. What you're referring to is God's wrath which is two different things..an argument commonly used by pre-tribers. I agree that Christians are protected from God's wrath but not from tribulation. When Moses brought his people out of Egypt (picture of the great tribulation) they were among the Egyptians but were protected and unharmed by God's wrath, but went through much tribulation under Pharaoh's hand.
Just as many believers who come to Christ in the tribulation will be protect from the wrath, but this is in no way an argument that debunks pre trib. Nor Is Israel saved BEFORE the rapture, they are saved AFTER the tribulation.
Matthew 24 is one of the most misunderstood chapters in the Bible. But it is so easily understood when rightly dividing the Word of God through the knowledge of the mystery given to the Apostle Paul. Why has the Lord opened the eyes of this individual to this truth while much more intelligent Christian leaders are blinded to this truth? Do others in the so-called Grace Movement have the same thoughts? I was saved through the writings of C. R. Stamm, the book "Man, His Nature and Destiny". Brent Greenwood gave me the book while we both served in the USAF. Thank God for friends like Brent.
Brothers and sisters in Christ, can we please express our opinions regarding the matter in a gracious loving manner? There is no reason we can't have a civil debate. We also should not be making such harsh accusations as labeling another believer a "false teacher or a heretic" because we happen to hold different points of view on a doctrine that has zero impact on our salvation regardless of what position we hold. One cannot seriously believe that someone with the opposing view is intentionally trying decieve individuals or the church as a whole. Now with that being said, I'm sure we can all agree that the rapture/resurrection of the church, where we'll receive our perfect glorified bodies, is perhaps one of the MOST SIGNIFICANT events we're all looking forward to, right? Then why are the details of it not mentioned in Rev 19 when heaven is opened up and Jesus is riding down to the earth with His armies? Likewise, why is it not detailed at the beginning of Revelation before the first seal is broken? Or in the middle of Revelation? This is a MAJOR EVENT! My point is that none of us can point to a single scripture that tells the EXACT timing of the rapture/resurrection of the church so we're left to search all the scriptures and try to piece the timing together. No matter when the timing is, I believe it is just so unnecessary for us to become divided over it. When we do we are allowing our enemy to further obliterate the unity that our savior prayed for us to have. Let us not give satan what he wants. Let us be patient, gracious and merciful to one another as we seek our Lord and study His word to show ourselves approved. In the end we will all meet in the air and rejoice at the appearing of our precious Jesus. May His peace rule and reign in your hearts and minds.
+Marissa McGee Very well said. I agree this issue has nothing to do with salvation. We should as the body of Christ be of one mind. There is no need to argue over it. When ever someone believes the rapture is, I am going to treat them as a brother in the Lord. The attacks, and name calling, and division are so uncalled for.
+Marissa McGee Well for starters, how can Christians miss the voice of the Lamb ? Jesus said my sheep hear my voice, which might suggest some people are not his sheep. It really does matter because some people might put off becoming a Christian, thinking they have to go through the Tribulation anyway... In your post you mention Revelation 19, and asked why it doesn't mention the Rapture. It does, but people miss the obvious. Read it again, in brief, how can MUCH PEOPLE be in Heaven, Marry the Lamb Jesus, put on White Linen (which it says is the Garments of the Saints) Ride White Horses back to earth with Jesus (on his Second Coming) and HERE IS THE KEY......And the Anti-Christ, his Kings and Armies await us on Earth to do battles with us !!! The people are STILL ON EARTH !!! Is that not self explanatory ? We are in Heaven, SAINTS/PEOPLE while those that oppose and hate God are Still on earth. It is staring you in the face. God Bless
Jesus called them false prophets, and he said there would be false prophets in the end times. A prophet is someone who preaches the word of God. dispensation and dispensationalists are delusion and teaching man-made doctrines. If the blind lead the blind then they will both fall into a pit. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. King James Version (KJ
Do not be overwhelmed in these last hours brothers and sisters, this is our time to shine. Stand up for our Lord Jesus and help bring others to the kingdom before its too late. No matter how hard it gets, don't venture from the path that has got you this far! Keep looking up and do not get distracted by the many distractions all around us! Revelation 3:11 - Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
Plow, YOU: So how long was the time Jesus called His last "hour"...7 YEARS ? Or the "hour" that Babylon is destroyed ? 7 YEARS ? ME: the word for "hour" in Rev 3:10 is #5610 which can mean: "day, hour, instant, season, time". the "temptation that will come upon all the habitable earth" is the temptation to believe the deception of the AntiChrist. the Church/Bride is kept "OUT" (#1537) of this period of time - which we know from Scripture is 7 years (Dan 9:27) -- which is also the First Seal; get it? it is JESUS that sends the AntiChrist upon the earth, and it is GOD that sends the strong delusion for the Nations to believe the deception of the AntiChrist (2Thes 2:10-12) -- making the entire Scroll the wrath of GOD/Lamb... and the Church/Bride doesn't go thru the wrath. "Because you kept the word of my patience, I also will keep you OUT (1537) of the hour of temptation (3986) to come upon the habitable world all, to try (3985, tempt, entice) those dwelling on the earth." get a Greek/English Bible, FGS !!
Plow, YOU: Therefore...you are going against all scriptural contexts of the term "hour"...in order to insert a 7 year period. ME: no. the word used has other meanings than ONE literal hour. take the Greek word "kurios" -- it is translated "lord" 56 times, "Lord" 663 times, "master" 12 times, "Master" 2 times, "sir" 13 times, and "owner" once. you have to translate it within its CONTEXT. Revelation 3:10 is speaking of the "TIME" when the entire world is "tempted, enticed" to believe the deception of the AntiChrist -- and that is a 7 year period of "TIME" according to Daniel 9:27.
Plow, YOU: i'm saying thete are SCRIPTURES...IN REVELATION...THAT SHOW...SHOW this "hour"...but YOU reject them for your own UNSCRIPTURAL INTERPRETATIONS. ME: so Daniel 9:27 is not a "Scripture" describing Rev 3's "time of temptation" coming upon the entire world ???
Sry 4 caps...But the scripture reads exactly as i reported.. Who stops the sacrifice and oblation? Who goes into the temple showing himself as God? Antichrist...
for you post tribs. Luke 21:36 pray that you may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE!!! all these things. Rev 7:9-14 these came up out of great tribulation.1st thess 5:9 we are not appointed to wrath!
@@donnaadams1765 Matthew 24 is to the Jews during the 70th week of Daniel, not for the Body of Christ which is a unique dispensation which began with Paul. Once the Pauline church is taken up to the heaven, Israel's Kingdom program will resume, and Matthew 24 will be fulfilled.
@@VFXShawn Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews - Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God. 48 Then answered the Jews Then answered the Jews Then answered the Jews Then answered the Jews pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL.
This is one of the biggest problems in trying to get people out of the false pre-trib belief, God's wrath and the tribulation are NOT the same thing! Its called the tribulation because that is what it is. Tribulation is oppression of the saints by evil. Believers are told to endure trials and tribulations. - Thes 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; - Acts 14:22 and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. - Philp 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake. In Luke 21, those verses are about the events leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70A.D. and not about his 2nd coming. The word "escape" you mentioned is a good English word but not a great meaning for the original Geek that was used. εκφυγείν more accurately translated should be (to flee).
@@dlbard1 You ignored Revelation saying it is the only time of God's wrath and he sends satan to fulfill it. Jacob's troubles, Daniel's 70th week are this wrath. Tribulation is wrath! We are not appointed to wrath.
I discovered Les' bible study years ago on local t.v. channel. Long story short it has changed my life and opened up the scriptures to me. Dispensationalism is a bad word in some circles. I believe that's because the term is misunderstood. For example, I catch many errors when pastors try to fit the church into promises that God made to Israel. Once when I was teaching in prison about the difference between how God dealt with Isreal under the old covenant and His dealing with the church today I was confronted by two team members and one prisoner. After a brief discussion it became obvious that they did not entirely understand the difference between the two dispensations. This, I believe, is how good Christians get into error concerning doctrinal issues. I am convinced that the anti-dispensation folks don't give enough weight to the writings of Paul. Another good dispensation teacher is Robert Breaker, although I don't agree with his KJV only argument.
Blazing , Scott ; Satan has his shepherds too . Les is just a man who lies cheats and such like the rest of us . Trust the bible in context as it is written . Read the whole paragraph as it was intended to be read . Your Shepherd is Jesus Christ .
Blaze Les is purposefully omitting 2nd Thessalonians Chapter 2 verse 1 thru 6 . Those who do address that verse immediately tries to muddy the interpretation by emphasizing the restrainer and ignoring the whole purpose of the scripture which was to refute false doctrines that were sowed in the church .
Charles...It was about the Church Departing. Not the Church departing from the faith. The Thessalonians were fearful they were going through Gods wrath. Paul told them THAT DAY can not come until the DEPARTING (Of the Church see verse one, the SUBJECT is the Gathering together unto Christ) of the Church, then that Anti-Christ will be Revealed. Paul is reassuring them that the Church doesn't go through the Wrath of God, they DEPART FIRST !!
post tribs cant answer this ,if you are raptured at the end of tribulation where are those saved out of tribulation to reign on earth for 1000 years with christ ?
+sheila hyatt do you believe the reserection in Rev 20 4 5 is the first reserection? if so are you denying the reserection of jesus christ? the only way the reserection in revelation 20 4 5 can be the first reserection is if it is part of the whole reserection. meaning the first reserection happens in stages, Jesus is first fruits, the next in line is the reserection / rapture in 1st thes 4 16 18, then the 2 witnesses Rev 11 and finally the reserection of rev 20 4 5 what do all of these have in common? everyone in them is a believer, the second reserection at the end of the 1000 years or the great white throne judgment everyone in it is an unsaved person. There's not a single believer in it.
***** the problem with your theology is you have the living preceding the dead, you say the the second coming is Mathew 24 29 31 and I agree it lines right up with Revelation 19 11 16 it's the same event in both, you say the rapture occures at the second coming though there is no mention of the dead in Christ rising first. Nor is there mention of it on Revelation either, the first reserection doesn't occur until after Jesus has already returned to earth and he has cast the anti christ and his false prophet into the lake of fire Rev 20 4, but by the time the first reserection happens you have already had the living raptured. Proof that the post tribbers and pre wrathers have the living preceding the dead. It isn't going to happen. Also at the reserection rapture it's jesus himself that is gathering not angels, How do the people in the sheep and goat judgement of Mathew 25 31 46 get to that judgment?
***** OK if that's true then who are the people in rev 4 1 1 10 and Rev 5 8 10 who are in heaven before the first seal is broken. I agree we go through tribulation and even persecution but we do not go though THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD. There's a big difference between the two We all go through tribulation on a daily basis. Everyone of us. But we do not go though God's judgements and the seal trumpet and bowl judgements are God's wrath on those who dwell upon the earth. To answer the question I asked you Where is Jesus physically at when Rev 19 20 and Rev 20 1 3 take place Jesus is physically on earth before the dead in Christ are reserected in rev 20 4, which makes it impossible for there to be a rapture of the living at the second coming cause you would have the living preceeding the dead and 1 Thessalonians 4 13 18 clearly says the dead in Christ rise first. That can not happen if Jesus is on the earth in rev 19 20 and Rev 20 1 3. Rev 20 1 even says I saw an angel come down from heaven. Is israel God's chosen people?
What do you make of Matthew 24:29-31 which tells us what takes place "immediately after tribulation of those days," and includes "great sound of the trumpet" and His sending forth His angels to gather His elect?
More dangerous to the body of Christ is not the false teacher who deceives the church willingly but the false teacher who deceives the church being deceived himself..
+dre maestas So let's see dre maistas if I can understand what you are trying to say? Anybody who doesn't agree with you and your doctrine is a false teacher? Brother, look at your hands, do you see any nail holes in them? I didn't think so.
I am a prophet and my Lord has revealed the gathering together to me. 43 years ago. I have just since Feb of this year been told by my Lord to start speaking to all that want to hear. Peace be unto you
+Larry Orr I've never looked at Pauls writings as such, but I see the case for it. Trouble is though, that Paul gave me very useful and valuable information about other things that totally cleared up fuzzy pictures. I am not ready to entirely dismiss all of Pauls writings as false. Some, maybe, at most, but not all. Remember there are two different kind of gentiles, those that want to be grafted into Israel and those that want to remain in other countries. Could it be that Paul is speaking only to the latter?
For those who have died, yes . However they whom remain until the end, they will be changed first in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, as is written in first Corinthians chapter 15, v 51, and 52. You will be changed.
‘For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.’ 1 Thessalonians 4:15 “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” Matthew 24:30 The main emphasis of Paul’s letters to the Thessalonians is the resurrection of believers. He wrote both letters before Matthew, Mark, and Luke wrote their gospels. So, when Paul spoke ‘by the word of the Lord’, he was simply repeating Jesus’ description of the coming of the Son of Man that was passed down by the disciples. Paul calls it the coming of the Lord and the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. Let’s compare each account of His coming. Will life be normal at His coming? YES (Mat. 24:37-39, 1 Thes. 5:3) Are believers exhorted to watch and be ready? YES (Mat. 24:42-44, 1 Thes 5:4-6) Is the Antichrist revealed before His coming? YES (Mat. 24:15, 2 Thes. 2:1-4) Will Jesus come like a thief? YES (Mat. 24:43, 48-50, 1 Thes. 5:2, 4) Does Jesus come in the clouds? YES (Mat. 24:30, 1 Thes.4:17) Is a trumpet blown? YES (Mat. 24:30, 1 Thes.4:16) Is there a gathering of dead and alive believers? YES (Mark 13:26-27, 1 Thes. 4:14-17) Is their destruction after His coming? YES (Mat. 24:37-39, 1 Thes 5:3) Is the coming of the Lord taught by Paul (1 Thes. 4:15), the same event as the coming of the Son of Man taught by Jesus (Mat. 24:30-31)? Absolutely!
@@gracewright8038 - RIGHTLY DIVIDING OR CORRECTLY HANDLING, is a reference to the only INSTRUCTIONS given in all of scripture, about how to actually study scripture. Isaiah 28:9-10 is a direct reference to how God has written His message into scripture via PRECEPTS or "KEY WORDS", and only by following those KY WORDS, line upon line, here a little and there a little can one truly understand scripture the way that God intended. "ll the Bible is for us, but it’s not all written to us, nor is it all about us." Your assertion is self contradicting nonsense. 2Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,
delawarecop Rightly Dividing doesn’t mean correctly handling. It means exactly what it says, to divide the Word rightly. It cannot be “a direct reference to Isaiah,” for what Paul taught didn’t come from the Old Testament. Everything to Paul from the Lord Jesus Christ was a mystery which was kept hid in God since before the foundation of the world (Romans 16:25). This is the way Les teaches the Bible so if you watched the video and the rest of the series, you would have picked up on this. You called “All the Bible...self contradictory nonsense,” but didn’t say why. The Bible, all of it, is for us and our learning. Genesis through the 4 Gospels and Hebrews through Revelation are written about and to the Nation of Israel. Romans through Philemon is where Believers get their instructions and doctrine today. This is where Salvation for the Jew and Gentile is found (l Corinthians 15:1-4).
@@gracewright8038 - "Rightly Dividing doesn’t mean correctly handling. It means exactly what it says, to divide the Word rightly." Thanks for sharing your worthless opinion, but I would suggest that you learn GREEK before spouting nonsense. The word being translated is orthotomounta, which means "to make a straight cut". It's a direct referenc to Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." But you don;t read Hebrews, because that's apparently only for the Jews, right? Rubbish! As for your drivel about Romans 16:25, it's a pity that your Les brainwashing didn't afford you to read the next verse, huh? Romans 16:25 Now to Him who is able to strengthen you by my gospel and by the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery concealed for ages past, 26 but now revealed and made known through the writings of the prophets by the command of the eternal God, in order to lead all nations to the obedience that comes from faith-… AND MADE KNOWN THROUGH THE WRITINGS OF THE PROPHETS - That's OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS, not new testament prophets. What was made known and was formerly a MYSTERY - is how the indwelling Holy Spirit is able to strengthen us through following the gospel that Jesus has revealed to paul. The Holy Spirit now allows us to see the connection to all the Old Testament writings, which were previously abscured. Seriously how can people be so gullible to believe the damned lie of fools like Les? There is no other place in all of scripture that instructs us how to actually read the bible, except in Isaiah 28:9-10. You cannot even demonstrate in the New Testament how there is some ne "MYSTERIOUS" way to read and understand scripture, because it simply doesn;t exist. So all that you have is EMPTY RHETORIC and endless unsubstantiated assertions, which in reality are NOTHING! "You called “All the Bible...self contradictory nonsense,” but didn’t say why." No I didn't - YOU FALSE ACCUSER & LIAR! "Genesis through the 4 Gospels and Hebrews through Revelation are written about and to the Nation of Israel." Absolute rubbish! Tell me where it says this in scripture, or you are merely a another Les parrot squawking pure madness. "Romans through Philemon is where Believers get their instructions and doctrine today. " More garbage from the self deluded fools who follow false teachers like Les/ Again I ask you to support your statement from scripture, or you are a repetitive LIAR. How does this fit into your false gospel? Galatians 3:26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.
@@gracewright8038 Dear Grace, I see from your conversation with delawarecop that you don't think that the gospels or Hebrews through Revelation are written to us. This is indeed curious. I would like to ask you some questions but am not doing so to condemn you in any way. I sincerely hope you will consider your answers to see if they still agree that those portions of scripture do not apply to us. Feel free to respond if you like, but I would be satisfied if all you do is honestly consider your position in the light of scripture. Here are some questions for you: 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal 3:28 Since we are all one in Christ, are you then saying that the gospels and Heb-Rev are strictly for the unbelieving Jews? If so, then how are we going to be saved? John said that if we receive Christ and believe in Him, we would be born again. John 1:12-13. Jesus said, "and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die." If these verses do not apply to us, then how are we to be saved? John writes that if we confess our sins, God will forgive us. If this is only to the Jews, how do we get our sins forgiven? The writer to the Hebrews said, "Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus," Are we not "holy brethren" or "partakers of the heavenly calling?" John wrote that the man who does the will of God lives forever. Does that not apply to us? John also wrote that we have overcome the world by our faith. Certainly, that applies to us, doesn't it? Paul wrote, "I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus." Since both Jew and Gentile are saved in the same way, how is this not written to the Israelites? This could go on forever, but I think you get the message. God bless you in your study of his word.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
The big error people make is not rightly dividing prophecies for Israel and Porches for the Church. The Church is NOT Israel, we are grafted into CHRIST (all Jewish and gentile believers). There are specific prophecies for Israel and those mostly get played out in the tribulation, for DANIEL'S PEOPLE. IN the Day of JACOB's Trouble. The Church is not pointed to Wrath.
Amen. Most of them point to Matt 24 because of this error. There is no Resurrection of the dead mentioned in Matt 24, or Mark 13, or Rev 19, or Ezekiel 39, or Zechariah 14. What we see in Matt 24 is the fulfillment of the wheat/tares and the sheep goats of Matt 13 and Matt 25:31-34. There is no mention of the dead or a resurrection here either. These are living people on the earth who survived the tribulation. There is no rapture, no Resurrection, not graves being opened, and no saints being transformed into immortal beings, and no one being taken to heaven in these passages.
Rev 12 proves that the harpazo is long before the Great Trib described to the Jews by Jesus in Matt 24:21. the Great Trib is the last 3 1/2 years -- and that is for the Woman/Israel.
God's people are not appointed to "wrath". That word is "orge" in the Greek and Scripture defines the meaning of this word in Scripture ... John 3:36, Rev. 14:10.... it is spiritual and eternal Hell. People (with an agenda) love to attempt to show that we are not appointed to tribulation as a result.... that would be a lie. The Word shows that we are not appointed to wrath, but to salvation and forever living with Him. Interesting that our appointment is eternal... Somehow people want to deceive us into believing that we are not appointed to "thymos" .... the word used to describe the wrath poured out in Revelations... such as the bowl/vial judgements.
Randy, God's people are not appointed to "wrath". That word is "orge" in the Greek and Scripture defines the meaning of this word in Scripture ... John 3:36, Rev. 14:10.... it is spiritual and eternal Hell. People (with an agenda) love to attempt to show that we are not appointed to tribulation as a result.... that would be a lie. ME: explain why Jesus is telling the Church in Rev 3:10 that they will be exempted from the "hour of trial" that shall come upon the entire world. yet Jesus tells the Thyatira Church that if they do not come out of their Church that has embraced the Jezebel Spirit -- they will be cast into Great Tribulation. (Rev 2:20-24) and why did Jesus say that we should pray always that we may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass ?? (Luke 21:36) so Jesus says that there is a way to escape all the horrors of "the great deception of the antiChrist" coming upon the entire world (2Thes 2:8-12) -- that even the Elect of God might succumb -- and Jesus tells a Church that they will NOT go thru the horrors to come, and yet Jesus tells another Church that (because of their idolatry) they WILL go thru the horrors that the evil World will suffer ...... your explanation ?
VictorCrowne... Every Scripture that "supports" the pretrib doctrine is first bathed and marinated in speculation, assumption, conjecture and lies.... let's take a look at your references: Rev. 3:10... "hour of trial"...the assumption is by the pretrib doctrine... this equates the 7 YEAR great tribulation period... that's a long hour! As will all pretrib passages they must be manipulated to fit their doctrine. This verse has some parallel passages... Luke 21:36, and Psalm 91. In Luke 21:36 Jesus commands us to "pray always, that you may be considered worthy...." which is a work and we are not saved by works... (Eph 2:8,9) therefore we cannot be raptured by works either, because the only prerequisite for "rapture" is salvation. Therefore to assume that "escape" in this passage is equalivant to being "raptured," is an impossibility. Why would someone who is going to be "raptured" anyways, be "praying always, that they might be considered worthy to be "raptured" (escape)? Of course, here again we have a huge assumption, and pretribbers brush off the command to be praying always, because ....well ....why? On the other hand if we are to be praying always that we might be able to escape all that is coming on the Earth ...and there is a lot... then we'd better get busy.... because "all" is not a singular event. The coming of our Lord comes as a woman in labor (1 Thess. 5) in which there are waves, like a woman in labor, that gradually get worse and worse. Many have not escaped the first waves of labor that have already come on the earth... Rev. 2:20-24... I love how pretribbers like to capitalize the word "great" in GREAT tribulation don't you? It helps change the sentence structure from adjectives to nouns. ....like "taken" or "catching away" is changed from a verb to the noun "rapture." In this passage the sentence structure does not use the term "The Great Tribulation" as you do, rather they are told that they will suffer great tribulation. It is not a noun, but an action. Like the church of Thessalonians were suffering great tribulation as Paul recognized in 2 Thess. 1, and that is why he informs them in 2 Thess. 2:1-3 that two things must happen first before we are gathered together with Him... the great apostasia (apostasy/falling away), and the man of perdition must first be revealed. I could go into the great tribulation that Jesus spoke of, in which the Jews suffered during the Jewish Diaspora where nearly 12 million Jews died, but that would be a long essay. I have some questions for you: 1)Rev. 20:4,5 informs us that those who are martyred for not taking the "mark of the beast" are resurrected at the "first" resurrection of the dead. Therefore how can there be a previous resurrection of the dead if this is the first one? For Paul called the event in which we are changed in twinkling of an eye, the "resurrection of the dead," ...see 1 Thess. 15:42-54. 2)Jesus called Peter a "rock" and on this "rock" I will build my church. Why did Peter teach the church the "second coming" and how to live because of it ....2 Peter 3:10-18? 3)Jesus models His return in Acts 1:9-12. He left the Mount of Olives to the sky/clouds and then to Heaven. The disciples were staring into heaven obviously looking for more... but that more never came. They then were confronted on why they were staring into Heaven and told that Jesus would return in "like manner" as He left. This passage doesn't speak of the tribulation period... does that mean it doesn't exist??? Of course not! 1 Thess. 4:16,17 doesn't speak of where Jesus goes after we meet Him in the air??? Does that mean He doesn't continue to the Mount of Olives like He modeled in Acts 1:9-12 ... of course not! Yet, because the Word of God does not give every detail in every passage, you think (because you want them to be so badly) that they are separate events. 1 Thess. 4:16,17 is the same exact event as Matt. 24:29-31. You separate these events because the passages don't tell every detail. Does that mean that Matthew, Mark and Luke are telling of a different Jesus because they don't have the same exact details ....what an absurd idea! Jesus will return in "like manner" as He left. Therefore, He will come from Heaven with those who are absent from the body, but present with the Lord, to the sky/clouds where those who are alive and remain will meet Him (Matt. 24:29-31, 1 Thess. 4:16,17) At this time those who are mortal (alive) will have there physical bodies changed from mortal to immortal. This is the opposite of Adam who was changed from immortal to mortal "...by one man's sin death entered into the World..." Isaiah 65;20 speaks of this immorality during the millennium ...if a person dies at the age of 100 they will be considered a mere child. The dead in Christ will be changed from corruptible (defined by the word as rotted in the grave ...see Acts 2:31) to incorruptible. The dead will again need physical bodies (Earth suits) at this time to rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years. Without these physical bodies they could not rule and reign with Him for they would be disembodied spirits or ghosts. Flesh and blood does not inherit the kingdom of Heaven... and their physical bodies do not go to Heaven... Jesus isn't headed there again for 1000 years. When John was told to "come of here... immediately he was in the spirit." Physical bodies don't leave Earth. Those who present the pretrib rapture love to lie to us and tell us that we get "glorified" physical bodies at the time of the rapture so they can go to a "glorified" heaven. This also in not found in the Word of God. In order for a pretribber to show Scripture differences between a "rapture" and a "second coming," they must flat out lie to us.... Do you have one?
"Now, there is in store for me a Crown of Righteousness, which the LORD, the Righteous Judge, will award to me ON THAT DAY -- and NOT only to me, but to ALL who have longed for His APPEARING." 2Timothy 4:8 ** "And when the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive a Crown of Glory....." 1Peter 5:4 ** "Behold, I am coming soon and My Reward is WITH Me....." Revelation 22:12 ** The 24 elders in Revelation 4:1-5 HAVE their Crowns & we receive ours when they do theirs. The Rapture is PRE-TRIB. We'll be in Heaven with Christ, then come back WITH Him at His 2nd Coming. Jude1:14-16 & Revelation 17:14. MARANATHA
***** The rapture is NOT pre-trib. 2Thess 2:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure: 5 ¶ Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer: 6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you; 7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, {his...: Gr. the angels of his power} 8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: {taking: or, yielding} 9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; 10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. - Patience and faith in persecution and tribulations endured - may ye be counted worthy of the kingdom for which we suffer - Jesus revealed from heaven with his angels - Jesus appears to all bringing judgment with him - Jesus will be glorified in his saints at that day He returns Plain and simple. It is NOT pre-trib
TheTurtlee1 When you see the antichrist, you MISSED Jesus Christ.......When this man of sin signs a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years, you'll be happily on your way for 7 years of terror. I'll be with the Lord Jesus Christ, missing it all.....MARANATHA
***** You are making a lot of baseless statements. 1) that Jesus comes before antichrist. 2) the man of sin signs a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years. 3) that there are 7 years of terror. 4) that you will be with Jesus in heaven before tribulation. I have not seen any of those statements shown in Scripture. I might add, your use of maranatha defies you.
TheTurtlee1 He doesn't need scripture support. He thinks if he says it enough times it will come true. Perhaps he clicks his heals at the same time? 2 Thess 2:3 satan WILL come first. 7 year Trib is connecting dots. Number 4 however is true if he dies before Christ returns and he might because he will do nothing to make ready for the Tribulation. People, I tell you in humble love, we will NOT leave earth AFTER Jesus has returned. If were still alive we WILL go through satans Tribulation. I pray to God I am here. Be in a position to help children. DON'T be a foolish virgin. Thanks.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray , and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land
Yes , I agree, there is a hateful aggressive behavior of post tribbers against the pre trib Truth. They name call, and exhibit their fruits of the flesh.
there is no post,pre or middle. There are the ones who have the Father's Holy Spirit abiding in them and they clearly see what the Father's word says. Peace be unto you
d bur my brother I was simply saying that there should be no divisions of time concerning the rapture or the gathering together. The first gathering will be the ones who did not love the truth and became believers of lies. The elect would be deceived if it were possible , but it is not possible . These will be cast into the winepress of God's and the Lord Himself will trampleth them to death. They will see the Lord coming in the clouds and they will mourn because they know they have been deceived. Soon after the one with authority over fire calls his angel to collect them the Saints are redeemed off of the Earth Then He shall gather unto Him the ones who are dead in Christ and then the ones living and place them with Him in the clouds.
Larry Orr "The first gathering will be the ones who did not love the truth and became believers of lies." Not correct. In fact, you are twisting Scripture throughout your whole post.
+d bur you don't want to know the truth. you say I am twisting scripture and you didn't say how . if you want to learn then you will listen.There are many that will not hear.
If you look at Rev, the first three chapters deal with the Church. In fact, it is mentioned 19 times. After that, church is no longer here as when the vision from Heaven deals with the 24 Elders which is the Glorified Church with their crowns.The tribulation begins in Chapt 6. Now, having said that, in Chap 19, when the Saints of God return (after the marriage supper of the Lamb) they are coming back with Jesus. So, if they were here during the tribulation, was it a quick turn around in Heaven?? Also, during the Tribulation no one is translated, sin will be judged, and Bible is concerned with the saved and lost. Rapture, Church meets Christ, We go to Heaven, Living Saints translated, world not judged, Bible is concerned with the saved. Last point, during the Rapture, the Mount of Olives is untouched as Jesus does to come to earth. After the Tribulation, he sets foot on the Mount of Olives and it is split in half.
Phineas Thats too bad cuz you are just the type satan is looking for to take his mark. For the rest of you, please make ready to go through the Tribulation. Not one verse in the word of God takes us off the earth after Jesus returns. Not one. God Bless.
MeatTheBible you lost the meat of matthew 24. 2 in field, one left and the other is take. where did he/she go? try marriage supper in heaven. no time to have all mentioned scriptures of judgment seat of Christ and the handing out of gifts and crowns. you also forget that we are to be ready as full of oil and waiting for His marriage to those at the door waiting to go in not stay behind like the foolish virgins? hello? its not hard to see this.
James Bannister My brother, Matt 13:29-30 tells us clearly who in the field was taken where. The ones that are left go to the BARN = JERUSALEM to be with Jesus forever. The wedding SUPPER is here on earth AFTER all Saints have made the cut. The BILLIONS that make it during the Tribulation will be at the supper as well no? Or will we call the step wives? And lastly friend, look up the word MEET in the parable of the ten virgins. Only used 4 times and it means to escort a VIP to your destination. The groom NEVER left. The 5 that din't make it were taken. Pray to God you are left behind. Thanks.
I'm actually getting convinced of a two-rapture event. Pretrib and also for those saints in tribulation who are saved after the first. Those are some of the strongest saints ever. Literally the most evil time in history with the entire world against them and they stand strong
The Bible doesn't tell us there will be 2 raptures, the 7yr tribulation fulfills the 490yr prophesy with Israel and the Jew. The Jewish program is earthly, the Body of Christ program is heavenly.
Thank you for this! I was raised pre trib rapture, but after learning of how the church continued with carrying on the lies of pagan holidays, the wrong sabbath, etc.. I read the whole Bible myself and became a mid trib because of Mathew 24, Rev 6, & 2 Thes 2. I’m not a biblical scholar so I didn’t understand how God deals differently with different people at different times (dispensation). I understand Mathew was to the Jews regarding the 2nd coming. I get Rev 6 is the trib saints. But I’m still hung up on 2 Thes 2 specifically 1 & 3. I’m definitely more confident of a pre-tribulation rapture now! Just have one scripture left I don’t understand how it fits with a pre-trib rapture!
If you read Matt 24 then you understand that Christ promised to return in his generation. I believe He did as he promised. AD 70 fulfilled all the law and the prophets and signified the end of the old “heaven and earth”, and beginning of new covenant
All the Things described in John’s revelation of Yeshua the Christ happened in first century. John called himself a “fellow partaker in the tribulation” rev 1:9. If you are pre trib rapture than it had to happen before john wrote Revelation Do you wonder why Hebrews 10:37 says in yet a very,very little while he who is coming will come, and will not delay. I would say 2000 years is a bit of a delay, wouldn’t you??
1. Christ prayed to the Father NOT to take his followers out of the world BUT rather to keep them from the evil in it (read your Bible)....Yes, we all will go through tribulation at that time (not wrath) else you are contradicting what Christ himself spoke. Best thing is to prepare your hearts and minds to be with the Lord, just as a bride for her groom...lots of similarities here....read about Jewish weddings..amazing significance..like Jesus come to take His bride at night with trumpets etc (not quietly). God's protection will be very strong though for true believers so no need to stress. 2. The exodus out of Egypt is a strong comparison to Christs return, Pharaoh is like the Antichrist and Egypt is like the world..we will be protected by incredible works of God as believers at that time...miracles will be done and we will be strengthened in Lord like no other time... 3. Why does God shorten those days - because of the Elect living in the world at that time, that's why. 4. Why during the last bowl judgement in Revelation 16 does it still mention "Behold, I am coming as a thief" - because Christ has not yet returned, that's why. 5. Why does Jesus and St Paul warn us to not be deceived so many times? - because we will be in the world and have to decide to not take the mark of the beast and not to trust the false prophet etc.. 6. Daniel 7:21-25 mentions the Saints are overcome by the little horn (antichrist) speaking pompous words - ie this is within the “great tribulation” period or last 3.5 years (v25) so true Christians will be in the world at that time. 7. Was Christ raptured away from the Cross ? NO, what does he say about his disciples - “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. If they have persecuted me they will persecute you”. 8. The parable of the tares and wheat mention it is the wicked who will be taken away first, not the wheat - not the other way around. Most dreams I have seen on TH-cam about the end times from Christians - they wake up after they are killed unfortunately in their dream so is a lesson for us all to be extra careful - some have rapture dreams but we know this happens at the end, not at the start and not one dream shows the rapture prior to this..Don't live for the world but for God....God bless. Ps If your going to comment on this post please respond from scripture each of my 8 points above first before putting forward your own views else you have no argument. You cannot override scripture with another scripture or do you think the Bible contradicts itself?
I also agree with u, tribulation yes, not wrath. as u pointed out it is all over the bible. there is no greater honor than to die for jesus and im ready. first the dead in christ then us who are left alive....AFTER the seventh trump
The wrath starts at the beginning of the tribulation. It’s Jesus himself who opens the seals. That includes the Antichrist. So if you aren’t doing they wrath then you won’t be here for the full “tribulation “ we have always faves tribulation but “the great tribulation “ is a specific time period never seen before either way be ready
Your ministry is a blessing! I will pray for you and all brethren here. There is a CROWN in Heaven awaiting all who share the Gospel of Jesus Christ and a soul is saved. ( "THE GOSPEL " below) See 1 Thessalonians chapter 2:verse 19-20; " For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming? 20 For you are our glory and joy. Also See: Philippians chapter 4:verse 1 Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved. THE RAPTURE IS IMMINENT - The founding church of apostles and saints looked for His coming daily! His coming was IMMINENT.Their greeting was always "Maranatha" (Aramaic: מרנאתא; marana-tha, lit. 'come, our lord! '). It occurs once in the New Testament 1 Corinthians chapter 16: verse 22. Our lives are inspired by the certain hope Jesus will call us to His side and take us home one day. He promised and He keeps His word. (John chapter 14: verse 3) The saints who passed before us, first, and we who are alive right after them to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with our Lord God and Savior; our groom! That IS "rock solid".1 Thess. chapter 4 : verses 15-17 - THE BRIDE OF CHRIST TAKEN UP BEFORE TRIBULATION BEGINS - Beloved in Christ Jesus the Lord; Look at John 14:3; Titus chapter 2: verses 11-14; Revelation chapter 3: verse 10; 1 Thess. chapter 5: verse 9 for pre-trib rapture. When the last "christian is saved" we are out of here at the call of Jesus Christ. See :Romans chapter 11:verse 25. It is "IMMINENT"! WE WANT TO GO HOME! (when Paul shares '' fullness" of Gentiles here it means the last Gentile to complete the church (composed of Jew and Gentile) is saved the entire body of believers living and those who have passed on since Pentecost will be raised and meet Jesus Christ in the air way above Earth to be taken to our Fathers House in Heaven . This praise resounds across the earth. "Jesus is Lord and only He saves". 2 Samuel chapter 22: Verse 50 "Therefore I will praise you, O Lord, out of the countries, and I will praise your name." THE GOSPEL God the Son (Jesus Christ) has given us the gospel to share with the world. Mark chapter 16: Verse 15: "And He said unto them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." How can anyone hear the "good" news? Romans chapter 10: verse 17 "Then faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of God." Isaiah chapter 7: verse 14: "Therefore the LORD shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and call His name Immanuel." Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל, "God with us" in human flesh but without sin. The Savior of the world was born to die for our sins! He did so 33 years later. His terrible ordeal; body mutilated; blood poured out, finally died and was placed in a tomb and rose from the dead the 3rd day ! "HE IS RISEN" Matthew chapter 28: verse 6. Isaiah chapter 53: verse 5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." John chapter 3: Verse 16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans chapter 3: verse 23 " For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans chapter 6: verse 23 " Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.."John chapter 14.verse 6 "1 Corinthians chapter 15: verse 3 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" THE PAYMENT BY HIS BLOOD FOR ALL SINS EVER! (the life is in the blood. He had to pay with His life) "And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John chapter 2: verse 2 Romans chapter 5:verse 8 "But God demonstrates his love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, now justified by his blood, we will be saved from wrath through him." “For he (God) hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” 2 Corinthians chapter 5:verse 21. " In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;." Ephesians chapter 1:verse 7 Matthew chapter 26:verse 28 "For this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." (the life is in the blood. He had to pay with His life) "And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Hebrews chapter 9:verse 22 BY GOD'S GRACE ALONE THROUGH FAITH ALONE IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE ARE WE SAVED (NOT anything we do but believe the word of His truth !) Ephesians chapter 2:verse 8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast." Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sins and rescue us from eternal *death (*conscious separation from GOD forever). Because of Jesus' death on our behalf, all we have to do is admit we are sinners & believe in Him, trusting in the shedding of His blood and in His death, burial and resurrection from the dead as payment for our sins, and we will be saved! John chapter 20: verses 24-31 WE TESTIFY TO THE TRUTH Romans 10: 9 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart man believes in righteousness; And a confession by mouth is given for salvation. 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. TO DIE IS TO REJECT SALVATION IN JESUS CHRIST AND BE SEPARATE FROM GOD FOREVERMORE Salvation and forgiveness of sins is the blessing of anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Those who reject the free gift of salvation, see John chapter 3: verse 16 above, "perish", which means their sins are judged by God the Son and they suffer eternal separation from God and the family of God forever called the "second death" Revelation chapter 21: verse 8. THE SURE "PEACE" IN JESUS CHRIST "Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ". Romans chapter 5:verse 1
Have you noticed that it's always exactly 20 years with the Rapture-Deniers? Each one was Pre-Tribber for 20 years (never 10, never 15, never 18, always 20) before they found the "truth". That must be from Screwtape's talking points memo.
K potter . They smartened up and found out about the Pretrib lie . Some never learn . They remain delusional all their lives . There is a message in that for you !
Plowshares I never really gripped the Pretrib thingy . I heard what I was told but I am pessimistic some what . I'm not paranoid in any measure but I require proof to base my life's parameters on . That's what Pretribbers share is that they base their decision making process on what sounds good to them rather than reality and fact . Now at risk of insulting people , some are born SUCKERS , and they can not help it . They are classified as severe optimist . And others balance between that and pessimistic . Of course there is severe pessimism . This affects our beliefs as we believe what we want to . There is probably no hope for Potter and his likes. He is going to let a feel good lie send him hurtling right into the Antichrists arms . On the other hand the severely pessimistic will never embrace the truth of the Gospel . We are what we are . But those in the balance can be reached I am retired now 4 years . You say you were pretrib 52 years , sounds like you are too .
Plow, YOU: 52 yrs in pre trib. Until i realized that its based on unscriptural interpretations of SELECT scriptures. ME: you are sadly under the delusion that the Church (SPIRITUAL Israel) has completely replaced the nation of Israel (PHYSICAL Israel); and that is why you have a twisted view of End Time Prophecy. Daniel and Matt 24 are for the PHYSICAL Jews/Israel -- check out Rev 12. This has nothing to do with the SPIRITUAL Bride/Church being taken to the Father's House (John 14:2-3, Rev 21:9-10).
Plow, YOU: Like YOU...trying to claim the promise of eternal life...BEFORE the O.T. Saints n Prophets to whom that promise was first made... ME: the OT Saints have already been resurrected; with Jesus. Abraham's Bosom is empty. Matt 27:52-53, 1Cor 15:20-21, 1Pet 3:18-20
Plow, YOU: Dan.12:11-*13 " But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at THE END OF THE DAYS." ME: Daniel is for the JEWS/ISRAEL, not the Church (Rom 11:25-32). once again, read Rev 12, the End Time is for the JEW/ISRAEL, not the Church.
Jesus taught the gathering happens after the tribulation and Paul did also. When I said the gathering 2 coming and not the rapture all the people against the truth knew the gathering in Matthew 24 is the rapture.
You are confusing the 2nd coming and the rapture. The context of the Olivet discourse is the Apostles asking Jesus when he would return (2nd coming) and when the age would end. Jesus responds in the context of the Jews of the great tribulation and the 2nd coming. Paul made quite clear the rapture was a mystery revealed unto him. In fact the chruch is already shown with Christ in heaven in Rev 4 and 5 BEFORE the tribulation begins. As well as Rev 19 showing the WIFE (now married) already with Christ in heaven BEFORE the 2nd coming.
@@ExperienceEric at the 2 coming the rapture of the body of Christ will happen at that time the 1st resurrection will be happening also. Hebrews 9:28 does not teach a 3 appearing for a believing people waiting for Jesus.
If there was to be a pretrib rapture, the dead in christ will be raised and those on earth will meet Jesus in the air. From there the Elect then proceed to the marriage supper with Jesus. The problem though is what about the "Other Elect". What other Elect you ask? There is still going to be people who turn to God during the tribulation and those who refuse to take the "Mark of the Beast" and become Martyrs. These elect! In other words the marriage supper would be going ahead in heaven, wine swirling, rings swapped, praising our King, celebrating Gods goodness with potentially millions of Elect not present at the wedding table. So a pretrib rapture of the saints would mean there has to be two resurrections of the Saints!! One before the tribulation and another for after the tribulation. There can only be "One" resurrection for the Saints, One gathering of Gods Elect as written which is "After the tribulation" Matthew Chapter 24 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. A pretrib Rapture is NOT possible scripturally, it creates the above tension which for me refutes this doctrine as completely unscriptural. There is only one rapture and that is after the tribulation. To believe in a pretrib rapture means you have to believe in two resurrections or two raptures of the saints/elect, NOT POSSIBLE!! God Bless
Sean Bezuidenhout Anything is possible with GOD. IT WILL HAPPEN. HAVE FUN WITH TGE DEVIL BECAUSE I WILL BE WITH CHRIST IN THE AIR BEFORE THE DEVIL IS EVEN KNOWN ... 2 THESS. 2:3. HAVE FUN, BECAUSE I KNOW I WILL...
I notice you put down Matt 24. That has to do with the Jews NOT THE CHURCH. LEARN YOUR BIBLE AND STOP USING SCRIPTURE THAT BELONGS TO THE JEWS.. THE JEWS DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE AGE OF GRACE AND THE GENTILES BEING SAVED. CHRIST DIDNT TELL THEM SO HOW CAN WE AS THE CHURCH BE PART OF MATT 24..
EDH1712 Because there is going to be people who at the end of the tribulation that still are not going to believe. So Christ will have to separate them. Matt 25: 32 " And before him shall be gathered ALL NATIONS : and he shall separate them one from another... " ALL NATIONS means they won't be dead yet. That some lived from every nation through the tribulation and some won't be believer's . Isa.. 24:6
A day with the Lord is 1000 years. He is telling you He would resurrect His body early in the 7th millennium (the last day). This is the sabbath day of rest, the millennial reign. He made the end known from the beginning. Creation week was 7 days with the 7th day being a day of rest. Just as Christ rose on the 3rd day, His body will rise early on the 3rd day (7th Millennium since Creation). He is the head, we are the body, just as the Scriptures say. He laid down the pattern. We are at the 2000 year mark now, so we are the beginning of the 3rd prophetic day. Notice the 3rd day pattern in these Scriptures: Exodus 19:10-19 John 2:1 (a wedding on the 3rd day, Jesus and his followers invited) Hosea 6:2 Esther 5:1 (Esther is a symbol of the church and stand in her royal apparel in the Kings court on the 3rd day) 2 Kings 20:5
Too much symbolism. There is a danger in having doctrine based on symbolism, since symbolism can be very subjective. It would be better and safer to base it on the more didactic sections of scripture, and not the symbolic, which really should be used to support the didactic, and not the other way around. God bless.
Its not a "doctrine". I don't think you know what the word "doctrine" means. Your understanding of prophecy has zero effect on your salvation. Furthermore 1000 years = 1 days is not symbolism, its a quote from the Word itself in multiple places. Adam was told he would die the day he ate of the tree. Did he die the same day, or just short of 1000 year later?
You would have to explained to me how eschatological views effect your salvation. A persons understanding of a pre or post trib rapture has no bearing on a persons salvation.
Yo people don't understand, rather it be Gods wrath, or satan's wrath, WRATH IS WRATH and we are not appointed to it as the body of christ. The bible never says WHOS wrath, it simply says WE ARE NOT APPONITED TO WRATH. Lol all the post tribbers gunna flip when they're yanked up all the sudden rather they like it or not.
You might as well stand on it, because the only way off this before the LAST DAY, is death. Is 57:1The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart; the devout are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. 2 Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death. John 6:43 Jesus answered and said to them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 "NO ONE CAN COME TO ME, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY. 45 "It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.… Now read John 6:39, 40, and 54 - they all say the exact same thing, nobody goes to Christ before the LAST DAY! So you have heard it directly from God Himself when he came in the flesh to teach us His truth, as opposed to false teachers like this video.
One doesn't have to join one of the two camps-- Dispensation or Covenant-- to be one or the other--- Pre-Trib and Post-Trib. It's possible that God can fulfill all of His promises to Israel, and also to the Church, in one end-time event.
Not one verse in the bible for pre trib rapture. The bible teaches consistently post trib pre millennialism. Just one example, Mark 13:24 "But in those days, AFTER the tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it's light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in heaven will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And THEN He will send forth the angels, and will gather His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.
People Have been learning the pre-tribulation rapture so long they get in denial When you show them this verse, Ive had a preacher Egnore me when i told him these things , he even looked kind of mad...i wass just tryna help, but ur rite about this,Amen Brother & God Bless
The gospel accounts of the return of Christ have nothing to do with the pre-tribulation rapture. Pre-tribulation is a revelation that Paul received and explains in the epistles. The return of Christ to the earth is at the end of the tribulation, but He is coming for His children before the 7 years of tribulation. Believers are with God, in heaven, during the tribulation. God punishes the "earth dwellers." (unbelievers) during the 7 year period. Seems to me that anyone desirous of the truth would hold judgment until they heard the entire series. What I find on TH-cam is too many people who think they "know it all." And those are actually the ones that are mostly "brain dead" and rarely read the bible because it is most often hidden under their playboy magazine.
Noe Gonzalez Look at Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Eph 1:13-14. No, you cannot lose your salvation. When the King set His seal on something, not even the King could remove it. The Spirit in us is the guarantee of our salvation.
I attended for many years a dispensational pre-millennial, pre-tribulation assembly taught us by a pastor who was mentored by Colonel RB Thieme Jr and Pastor Carl Stevens of The Bible Speaks ministry. For several decades, this man literally DRILLED the doctrine into us all. He gave us the theology. The ecclesiology, The eschatology, the angiology, the pneumatology the Christology, the soteriology etc. He drilled eternal security into us all. He labored over every word of every teaching service he gave us. As a result my joy went off the scale. Even my mind was healed of a sever psychiatric illness. Many in that assembly experienced similar phenomena. For that I was grateful. However the events of Sept 11, 2001 changed all that along with the slippery slope doctrine that this pastor later adopted. At first I like every one else believed the official narrative of Sept 11. A few years down the road I began to notice a few web sites and met a couple people that made me think that something was WRONG. The fall of building 7. The inability of the pilots to fly an airplane. The crisis actors planted in the streets. The explosions in the buildings. The free fall collapse. The disintegration of the steel beams. The acquisition of the buildings and the insurance by Larry Silverstein and his pull it comment. The plane shaped hole in the ground in Shanksville that was there in the USGS survey of 1991/2. The smell of cordite at the Pentagon. The appearance of the hijackers live at the hearings. The fact that only 3 high rise steel framed buildings ever collapsed due to fire in the history of mankind ALL ON SEPT 11 The dancing Israelites in the wake of the destruction. Then I began to wake up about what Israel really is. How it was founded. How they attacked the USS Liberty. Their part in the demolition of the buildings of 9-11. The Oklahoma city bombing. The assassination of JFK Then I began to figure out that secret societies run the world around us and can ignore the laws of the land. Though I do not believe Israel alone did it I believe they were the most heavily involved. All main stream Journalism is released out of a few sources and the control of what is seen and what is not is almost air tight. Then later you hear of the Rothschilds and how they acquired power and wealth along with 12 other Illuminati families. How they rule the banks. How they rule the governments of the world. What does all this have to do with the Bible? It turns out that John Nelson Darby had connections to the occult. Cyrus Scofield had connections to the Rothschild Family. He was a RASCAL who divorced and did not pay alimony to his wives whom he abandoned. Samuel Untermeyer was Scofield's attorney to get him out of his obligation to his ex's. The guy was a scumbag. He was the one that popularized the pre trib pre mill doctrine. Oh I suppose you can argue that a scumbag like Baalam was given a whole paragraph of the Old Testament on which to prophesy about the Messiah. Maybe it also can be argued that the doctrine was around in the early church as one writer wrote a critique of it as a false doctrine. But these scumbags who resurrected it and popularized it seems to me to be a rotten foundation for so great a doctrine. Later the pastor teacher who gave me such joy later destroyed the doctrine and renounced it FOR A PARTIAL PRETERIST view of scripture. CYrus Scofield sure would fail the qualifications for becoming a spiritual leader in any modern Church today. The Bible would call this man WORSE THAN AN INFIDEL. Later the man who taught me doctrine plainly apostatized from the fundamentals. He first began to teach that the unbelieving would simply be annihilated. Then later he taught that all men would be saved post mortem. He became a Trinitarian Universalist. I left that assembly at this point for it was too much to bear and my spirit was grieved beyond measure.
A couple of other things to add to Pre-Trib rapture. I can't find any writings of that belief prior to the 1800s. Pre-trib appears to come from a women who was rumored to be in the occult, Margaret MacDonald. Her visions were then preached by her pastor Edward Irving and spread throughout Scotland. John Darby caught wind of this teaching and later popularized it. This is a simplification of the subject, but wanted to add the names for people who would want to look into the matter.
"IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from Heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in Heaven: and then shall all of the tribes of the Earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory!" ... "And then He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other." THAT'S WHEN JESUS IS GOING TO COME: AFTER THE TRIBULATION! It says it as plain as day in that 29th verse. Immediately after the Tribulation of those days. It says after the Tribulation shall appear the sign of the Son of man in Heaven. After the Tribulation, then shall all the tribes of the Earth mourn. After the Tribulation they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. After the Tribulation He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His elect. That's when Jesus is going to come back for His elect, to rapture His Saints, to gather them together! GOD BLESS
Angel Rojas You've quoted Matt. 24:29-31 if you follow every word in scripture, then were is the church mention in or connected to v29 Immediately after, if a prophecy deals with the church then the church must be included in the prophecy and in this one it is not, now when you quote v30 who do you think all of the TRIBES of the earth are? Only one group of people are given the title TRIBES and that's Israel and they will be in mourning at Christ return Revelations only describes general sinners as cursing God and unrepentant not mourning, so your interpretation is falsely including the church and falsely excluding Israel something God warns against in Rev. 22:18-19. Amen
Saint Al Before you do any arguing, you need to give the folk your proof pre-trib verse that has the rapture BEFORE the resurrection. I will show you clear POST trib Bible verses. See if you can keep up. Immediately AFTER the tribulation. Now remember, Jesus does not contradict his own word. ******* We shall not prevent them which are asleep, for the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST, then we which are ALIVE and remain shall be caught up.... *******
@herb: Ok so you first start with Matt. 24:29 IMMEDIATELY AFTER, as your proof of a post raptured church, you don't show how the church is connected so until you do you've provided scripture but no church, tell me would you be satisfied if I showed you a Pre tribulation verse without mentioning the church or indication thereof?
@herb: Jesus never contradict His word, but people like you can when for e scripture to say what you want it to say rather than what it says, I don't have to keep up with you because scripture wise you're not going anywhere , you place your own destination in jeopardy when you refuse to believe what God actually say. Amen
Saint Al, You could settle the whole issue right now by giving us the one pre-trib verse that has the rapture BEFORE the resurrection, like your verseless doctrine claims. ******* But you never ever do, you simply opinionate over scriptures and listening to the opinions of men, instead of the clear words of the LORD. ******* Immediately AFTER the tribulation Behold, I am coming as a thief John twelve :48
The problem is not the word ''dispensation'' but the degree this fine folks are taking it! For example...''Jesus dispensation was for the Jews only..we are under Pauls dispensation.'' So the warnings of Matt 24 don't apply to Christians? Really? Ok then what Jesus said and did ...everything was for the Jews. I guess that includes the cross? These folks are not christians, they are ''Paulians"' if thats a word. You get my point. In fact they say the tribulation, so called will be under the ''endure tell the end'' dispensation while they are under grace. They have taken dispensation to a place it was never intended to go. Thus the deeper they go the more silly and confusing it gets until they end up misinterpreting scripture to prove a non-biblical secrete rapture. Its these folks who have slipped into apostasy and are drunk on the wine (false doctrine) of Babylon!
David K and in all of those it’s speaking of the time of Jacobs trouble. Has nothing to do with the body of Christ going into that time. There’s no resurrection of dead saints in those chapters. Learn right division and you’d understand why that time period is appointed for Israel heretic.
Demarus Where does the Bible say the time of Jacob’s trouble is the tribulation? You guys love to pick out obscure phrases from the Old Testament and make them mean whatever you want them to.
Demarus 2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV “Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;” Any questions?
Uh. Were not under the law. I'm under grace by faith in the blood, death and resurrection. If you wanna follow the law then go ahead and trust in your works. If you follow the law and Christs death. You're saying Christs blood isnt strong enough to save you. You have to be the co savior. Your spitting in the face of my Lord and savior saying he didnt do enough to save us. (Which he has done more than enough)
Jesus hand picked Paul and Peter endorsed his letters as scripture. If you reject Paul you reject Gods Word. He wrote half the NT through the Holy Spirit.
Jesus, "Hand Picked" Paul, yeah right, according to his Gospel,...and a Vision Paul claimed he had, how many kooks claim that very same thing nightly, after eating a spicy chalupa?...
In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Antichrist during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION! If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation! Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23: 20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING. Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are "caught up" with them! When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected? John 6:39-40: Jesus said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY. John 6:44: Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY." So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in? 1 Cor 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found? In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation Per trib pastors teach this so you lose your faith in Christ when the false prophecy fails or you take the mark of the beast, not expecting it and worship the beast. either way they ignorantly or willing work for satan
"the beheaded rise"... the beheaded, NOT all Christian martyrs. These people also had refused the Mark of the Beast. So only those who meet these two conditions are part of "the first resurrection". So not even the apostles would be part of this. Also, the 7th trump of Rev. is NOT the last trumpet. Rev. had not yet been given when Paul was alive, and there are "last" trumpets in scripture that have to do with breaking camp or with the Feast of Trumpets. Pay attention to scripture.
***** What part of Rev. wasn't even given till after Paul died, are you not comprehending? Also, the trumpet Paul speaks of is of God and is a blessing, while the trumpets of Rev. are of angels and bring judgment. Aside from all that, if you really think I'm deceived, shouldn't you pray for me instead of mocking and judging me? Your attitude says it all.
***** You do realize that God deceives some people? People learn the pre trib rapture from study notes and pastors, not from studying the Bible alone. All who teach pre trib as 100% fact are going to be proven as false prophets.
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Thanks Les Feldick for all your teachings. Because of the training I have received from you, I can’t wait to give Jesus a hug. Thanks
Thank you for this posting..I am 72 and have studied the scriptures on my own for well over 40 years.I have never "fit in" with the Bible studies at various churches because my method as God leads is much like Brother Feldick presents. Only recently have I stumbled into these teachings on early morning tv (no cable)..I am greatly encouraged as I was beginning to wonder if my mind was spiritually sound. I must mention that Mr. Feldick being a fellow Okie grabbed my attention immediately. : )
I love that he's a fellow okie
Thanks so much for your teaching that I started watching late at night on TV…I have opened more and more to the Bible than ever before!!🖐🏽
Best Bible teacher I ever heard. What a gift God gave this man!
Thank you brother Les for clearly revealing the Word of Truth regarding this soon "catching away" event for all who love Jesus Christ. He is coming back for all who love Him to rescue us before the Fathers wrath falls on the unrighteous. Praise His name! As our Messiah said" I go to prepare a place for you that so where I am may ye also be"! God bless.
I've been listening to Les for a long
time, and I'm ready to be taken up
to be with my Savior!
Karen, please heed Paul's warning not to believe preachers like Les Feldick who teach the gathering of God's people will take place before the man of sin is revealed. Rather, be prepared to endure to the end for Jesus said those who do endure to the end will be saved. In Jesus' detailed account of his return, he never said a word about taking believers to heaven before the abomination that causes desolation appears. Instead, he clearly taught that ALL of the elect from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens will be gathered AFTER the tribulation. God bless.
we are obligated to sweat from the brow...
Karen don't accept deception from game loser; the truth is "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”
The reason the man of sin is revealed is due to many many falling away from the faith unto another gospel. Jehovah Witness Seventh Day Adventist and Catholicism and the like spirit of error.
It is clear that gameloser believes his denomination teaching rather than Gods Word. SO SAD
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th-cam.com/video/sQC_2OlF4xQ/w-d-xo.html Here is lecture from my church, and my pastor, pastor Arnold Murray. Pastor Murray's lecture is very in-depth.,this one is concerning the rapture. Hope you like it. It's a warning to all people.
@@edwahjoshua1206 actually the son of perdition is the devil. The word perdition means,"to perish". Read in depth. Study God's Word chapter by chapter and verse by verse! Ezekiel 13KJV even proves that God is "20:AGAINST those who teaches My children to fly to save their souls! " Please don't take this man, or any other mans word for it without checking it out in God's Word! You need to dig deep! God is of Spiritual things. The devil is of the world! Remember this! As long as you are still in your flesh body(you pinch your arm and it hurts), anything claiming to be Jesus come to rapture you out of here is an AntiChrist (anti=instead of). Antichrist is none other then the serpent in the garden, which will come in as a subtle person, "prosperously and peacefully", to "deceive MANY" many unlearned CHRISTIAN'S!!!! He will try to decieve the whole world! But God's elect know God's Plan.
We are in the 5th trump, the time of teaching. The Antichrist comes at the 6th trump, in Jerusalem, when Michael the arch angel kicks Satan and his fallen angels out of heaven and onto earth. That's why God tells us to keep God (not hair) over our heads to protect us from the angels,, THAT is the ONLY hour of Temptation-tribulation . There's no pre-tribulation. God will send His two witnesses to also warn the people who some will kill them and let them lay in the streets for 3 1/2 days until the 7th trump when the true God comes. God's elect will be brought up to Death which is the devil-Antichrist, and they are not to premeditate what they shall say, but let God Speak through them! As it is written! Read Mark 25 ,Matthew 13, Revelations! The Bible!!! Do NOT be decieved (for DECEPTION is the "mark" of the beast-devil-Antichrist IN the forehead, what's in your forehead? You're brain! Don't be decieved, don't get the mark, and don't do the Antichrists works (for that is the "mark" in right hand) the right hand in the Bible always symbolizes your works, don't help the Antichrist he is an abomination!)and as long as you're in the flesh, it is NOT the true God, it's an insteadof-Christ(ANTI-Christ).For at the 7th trump we will be changed into our SPIRITUAL bodies in the TWINKLING of an eye as it is written and every knew will bow and every tongue will confess that JESUS CHRIST IS OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR!!! AMEN. THEN comes the Millennium where we God's elect and the kings and queens of the ethnos will be teaching to their relatives who didn't quiet make it. Then the devil will be released a short season to see who will fall for him and who will stand . Those who fall for him AGAIN will be thrown into hell with him and be blotted out forever. Amen.
Wow, thank you Mr.Feldick for your service all these years..My mom found your bible study on TV in Okc 3yrs ago and loves you..She has been born again since 1983 and former 700 clubber, Copeland & the likes of those..but did stop growing in God and fell into a depression Took her a long time for her to fjnd a Shepard...She believes that you Sir have renewd her Faith, health and she is no longer a Luke warm Christian about who God is to her... She has a deep faith and trust in God. I believe that this is not about pre or post but about faith in God and that moves all understanding..Myself as of 3days ago was backslidden for nearly 20yrs and my mothers faith and God answered those prayers and covered me in the blood of christ daily, and I today i walk once more in Salvation.. Jesus amen
Praise the Lord. I worry for my own now, as they call me a fanatic for wanting to study my Bible so much. This world today has MANY traps for our youth.
I really enjoy the teaching of Mr. Feldick. I used to think their was a post rapture due to the teachings of Dr.Kent Hovind, but now I am listening to Les and he makes more sense of it all. This is my 2nd time of listening to him. God* bless you all, in Christ Jesus* name. AMEN
@@kgmail7364 don’t we all
Rightly dividing the Word of truth in the correct dispensation to whom, when and why the word of God was and is spoken to.😀❤😇😎
Love ya Less, went through all your books in one year fifteen years ago as you were what I asked for, GOD Bless Big Brother
Praise God! Thank U Bro for putting studies up! It is REALLY encouraging as I have been saved now alil over 25+ yrs and I was saved on pre-trib beliefs and I await the "Blessed Hope" along with other saved bro & sis. May we all be "RaptureReady" wen the Briide of Christ is called to our new home(Heaven bound) by the Bride Groom,Jesus Christ,our Lord & Savior! Even so Lord Jesus come quickly!Sooo exciting..Keep da Faith!
RIP, Les. I've listened to you for years, including watching you on TV for several more. You were a great teacher & I learned much from you. Thanks to you & Iris. Stay strong, Iris.
False teaching
Matthew 24
@@donnaadams1765 Quit watching if you don't believe. Go somewhere else.
JesusHoldMyHand1 he is still alive
Hes still alive.
Donna Adams Matthew 24 is Jesus talking to his JEWISH Apostles about the tribulation. He's not addressing the church. We don't get the full revelation of the church doctrines until after Paul is converted in Acts 9 . You are missing the transition thar takes place in Acts . You can't live in Matthew , Mark , Luke and John and expect to be biblically sound .
I love the Lord Jesus, the apostle Paul and Brother Feldick and all believers.
This is a wonderful bible study!I have learned so much
My teacher is Holy Spirit GUIDANCE, Lord Gods wisdom
@@donnaadams1765 You have to blame the Holy Spirit for every mistake you make when you get something wrong. Not a good idea to virtue signal as if your audience is to be impressed. What do you appeal to when someone reproves one of your potential doctrinal mistakes? If you are going to post this undefined remark, you should at least give an example of how it is in agreement or disagreement with this video message.
Just got through watching you teach on TV. You explain the Bible so good thanks so much
Found you just the other day and have spent hours reviewing your videos. I have been rightly dividing the word for many years now and am so glad I found you.
Matthew 24
@@donnaadams1765 2nd Timothy 2:15 KJV
Les is a teacher of the word of God. I very much am a fan of his style. I support his cause & as a scientist, have followed along with his teaching with intent. I find Les to be the most accurate teacher in this time. Les is rite on. He does it as a professional scientific method instructor. If you have been taught to critically think, it should make sense.Wake up believers. Les is rite in my opinion.
MOREOVER:
Revelation 19
11. And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
15. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
16. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
17. And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the SUPPER of the great God;
18. That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
19. And I saw the Beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
20. And the Beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21. And the REMNANT were SLAIN with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Revelation 20
1. And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3. And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the SOULS OF THEM THAT WERE BEHEADED for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had NOT WORSHIPPED the Beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
....and:
1 Thessalonians 4
15. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and REMAIN unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are ASLEEP.
16. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and THE DEAD in Christ SHALL RISE FIRST:
17. Then we which are alive and REMAIN shall be CAUGHT UP together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
REMAIN
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...and:
Revelation 1
7. Behold, he cometh with CLOUDS; and EVERY EYE SHALL SEE HIM, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
- So everything is very clear: the first resurrection of the 1.Thessalonians 4 is the same as that of Revelation 20... for then there is the first resurrection of the believers... after the Great Tribulation when the Antichrist governs the earth. Rapture teaching before the great tribulation is FALSE because raptured and resurreciton before the first resurection is IMPOSSIBLE!... Is a LIE! -
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MOREOVER:
2 Timothy 4
7. I have fought a good fight, i have finished my course, i have kept the faith:
8. Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me AT THAT DAY: and not to me only, but unto ALL THEM also that love HIS APPEARING.
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- Will be AT THAT DAY at HIS APPEARING and unto ALL THEM will be a crown of righteousness. Not in stages ... rapture and then others will come. ALL at once. -
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MOREOVER:
Hebrews 9
27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
28. So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he APPEAR the SECOND TIME without sin UNTO SALVATION.
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- rapture cannot be true... because those who will be raptured ARE NOT SAVED!... because SALVATION is ONLY when LORD JESUS APPEAR!....and LORD APPEAR ONLY at Armageddon... the LAST DAY!
- Now... do you understand how fake is this teaching about rapture?
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MOREOVER:
John 6
44. No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will RAISE HIM UP at THE LAST DAY.
- rapture cannot be true... because those who will be raptured ARE NOT SAVED!... because the FIRST RESURRECTION It occurs when LORD JESUS come back at Armageddon which is The LAST DAY:
Revelation 20
4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.
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To be martyr for Christ is not wrath of God...is honour!
Apostasy is here. Very soon must rise AntiChrist and false prophet. When AntiChrist appear to confirm 7 years covenant, pre-trib will fall. And then will be fulfilled what Apostle Paul says:
- 2 - Thessalonians 2
1. Now we beseech you, brethren, by THE COMING of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by OUR GATHERING TOGETHER UNTO HIM,
2. That ye be NOT soon SHAKEN IN MIND, or BE TROUBLED, neither BY spirit, nor by WORD, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at HAND.
3. Let NO MAN DECEIVE YOU by any means: for THAT DAY SHALL NOT COME, EXCEPT THERE COME A FALLING AWAY FIRST, and THAT MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED, the SON of PERDITION;
4. Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Apostle Paul says... if anyone says that the day of Lord (His return) is before AntiChrist appear, is under influence of another spirit.
Bible is very clear.
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READ CAREFULLY: The conevant confirmed by the antiChrist
Daniel 9 - about THE Antichrist -
27. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for ONE WEEK: and in the MIDST OF THE WEEK he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
ONE WEEK - 7 years
LORD Jesus Christ speak:
Matthew 24
14. And THIS GOSPEL of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL THE WORLD for a witness UNTO ALL NATIONS; and THEN SHALL THE END COME.
15. When ye therefore SHALL SEE the ABOMINATION of DESOLATION, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the HOLY PLACE, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16. Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17. Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18. Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20. But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21. For THEN shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
- THEN?...THEN shall be great tribulation!...WHEN?.. when antichrist enter in Temple...WHEN?...in midst of 7 year covenant!..
- Yes... christians (disciples of Christ) must endure 3 and half years great tribulation...which start after 3 and half years of fake covenant (7 years).
- VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION: What kind of teachers guided by The Holy Spirit are they if this "preachers" have no idea that the great tribulation will be for 3 and half years and not for 7 years?... Which spirit lead in confusion this preachers?... Think about that!
...Not many will REMAIN... because the largest number of christians will go in Kingdom of Elohim, after they refuse to obey antichrist and to receive his mark. Is a honor to die for Christ. But... for this apostate church... to die for Christ is madness. Christians have no problem to rot due to cancer ... but to die for Christ is foolishness to them!... Apostasy is here. Very soon must rise the antichrist and the false prophet.
Iurkowski Dorian The Tribulation is for the unsaved. They must stay on Earth to go through the Wrath of God along with the Nation of Israel, not Believers. The Body of Christ, His Church will not be punished with the Tribulation unbelievers on Earth. (ll Thessalonians 2: 1-3; l Corinthians 15: 51-54; l Thessalonians 4: 13-18; Titus 2: 13.) Why would you think He would do that to us?! We have no sin to be punished for. If we stayed here it would be Jesus suffering all over again. We are His Body. I Peter 3: 18a, “For Christ also hath once suffered for sins,...”; also Hebrews 9: 28. Another thing, leaving us here would be God mixing His Law with His Grace. The Bible says these two cannot be mixed.
John 6:40 For this is the will of my Father, that EVERYONE who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the LAST DAY.”
Remember:Snatched/ Caught Up/ Rapture is a separate event from God returning on the last day.
1 Thes. 4:17 ... caught up in the clouds meet the Lord in the air...(that's the second Heaven - God doesn't set foot on the Renewed Earth). Hope this helps 🙏🏻✝️📖🛐🕊
God bless you so much. Its through you that the desire to study the bible has increased day in day out. Glory to God
How I love Les Feldick! What a blessing he is to those hungry for the word of God☺
He is so false it is not funny. Look to someone else for your sake, please.
+David Paul says someone who doesn't believe Jesus is God. Sit down.
+Landy Tandy Are you a pretribbed too?!? lol. Too funny. Sit down yourself ma'am.
David--- Never said I was pretrib. However, if you say PreTrib is not the truth, then I would immediately assume it is, considering how wrong you are about absolute fundamentals of God's word.
+Landy Tandy Good for you. Do you know the first commandment? There is ONE God and "beside" Him is no other God. Where is Jesus? At the right hand of God..."beside" Him. Do you know what Teshuvah is? Repent and RETURN to God. Or the Days of Awe? Last chance to do that repenting!!! Who is Jesus' God? Did Jesus pray to himself? How did Jesus tell us to pray? "Our FATHER who are in heaven"! Did Jesus tell us ANYWHERE to pray to Him rather than the Father? What was Jesus' response when called good? He said no, the Father is! This is why I am the way I am. I do not deny that Jesus is the Son of God at all. I do not deny that Jesus is the prophet like Moses. I do not deny that Jesus is Gods word cast into Marys womb. I listen to the first and foremost commandment above ALL else.
Thank you for this video. God Bless Faithful brother Les Feldick,
ALL I Know is if the pre trib rapture turns out to be wrong as the church believed for 1,900 years then every single one of the pre trib preachers will end up being a false prophet.
Wow. This was 6 years ago. And look where we are now. Maranatha! 🙌🏽❤️
Much needed message for people to open their eyes and ears
PROVERBS 10:30 "The righteous SHALL NEVER BE REMOVED: but the wicked shall not inhabit the earth."
PROVERBS 2:21-22 "For the upright shall dwell in the land, and the perfect SHALL REMAIN IN it.22But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it."
PROVERBS 3:25-26 "Be not afraid of sudden fear, neither of the desolation of the wicked, when it cometh26For the LORD shall be thy confidence, and shall KEEP THY FOOT FROM BEING TAKEN."
JUST LIKE IN THE DAYS OF NOAH IT WILL BE THE wicked THAT ARE TAKEN JUST LIKE THE WICKED WERE taken BY THE FLOOD WATERS.
Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
1 Peter 4:12 "Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:"
Psalms 37:8-11 "Refrain from anger and turn from wrath; do not fret--it leads only to evil.9.For those who are evil will be destroyed, but those who hope in the LORD will inherit the land.10.A little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look for them, they will not be found."
Acts 14:22 "Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God."
John 17:15 "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil."
Revelation 20:4 "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
Revelation 13:7 "It was given power to wage war against God's holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation."
Matthew 24
Another good lesson by Mr Les feldick.
Les Feldick is the greatest teacher of the Bible I've ever seen
Les is one of the best bible teachers on TH-cam! 😊
Love Les Feldick. Great Bible teacher ! ! !
Wonderful teaching, Brother Les, keep up the good work!
I am so tired of this hell hole. I can't wait to be with my spectacular and love filled creator! Shalom.
This is false teaching, immediately after the tribulation, those who remain will be taken up to meet Christ
Lord God ALMIGHTY is the chain breaker, the resurrection, HE speaks creation, life, and HOLY POWER is The (his)Holy Spirit of Love, Peace and A sound mind, Rejoice in the LORD Jesus of Nazareth
John 14:26
But the COMFORTER, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
18: I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
D McK Me too!
As he said, to teach the Word of God and I do believe he does!
Wonderful teaching. Thank you For sharing..
Much love to the Body of Christ all members. Double honour to the little ones ❤️
rest and rejoice in the finished work of the cross Paul's good news
Gospel of Christ Jesus of Nazareth in Matthew 24
This brings a lot of clarity to my thoughts about Rapture, still not quite there but my eyes/ ears are opened. Thanks Les
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I finally understand thanks Les your teachings are helping me
Akeila, please heed Paul's warning not to believe preachers like Les Feldick who teach the gathering of God's people will take place before the man of sin is revealed. Rather, be prepared to endure to the end for Jesus said those who do endure to the end will be saved. In Jesus' detailed account of his return, he never said a word about taking believers to heaven before the abomination that causes desolation appears. Instead, he clearly taught that ALL of the elect from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens will be gathered AFTER the tribulation. God bless.
@@thereturn2361 You have no idea how to apply 2nd Timothy 2:15 KJV. The tribulation is not church age doctrine. It is called the time of Jacob's trouble
Thanks for the bible lesson. I enjoyed listening. I have noticed also that it seems the teaching on the Rapture is gaining more negativity among people which I've found surprising. I guess that too is a sign of the "end" times, perhaps.
No it is a sign that some people are actually reading their bibles and can see through the false teaching of pre-trip-rapture
+Tracy Zdelar People that know the truth are very tired of the cowards thinking they will escape the trial of their faith. But more than that is the fact the many Christians and non Christians will loose their salvation based on these false teachings as they may think they will get a second chance for eternal LIFE if they refuse the mark, because these pre and mid tribulation lies have many unprepared for reality. We will all be faced with the mark of the beast, but only those that are prepared in spirit and mind and heart by the holy Spirit will be able to endure until the end just as the bible predicts. Any other teaching is just errors coming from the cowards. And the bible states that no coward will have eternal life, but will experience the second and final death.
+Brad Renfroe
Rom_11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
how do we explain this, for reference it says the branches are cut off for unbelief not works
+Brad Renfroe I know John 15 im not referrencing that.
Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.
Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.
Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
Its talking about the fact that the "Jews" that were cut off for the unbelief and not for the purpose so we could be graffed in (gentiles)
+Brad Renfroe
They are not all Israel that are of Israel (flesh)
Thank you for showing everyone how to do an eisegesis.
With respect, ‘exegesis’.
@DonCornelius366 The subject we're talking about is tribulation, great tribulation and the timing of the great tribulation. What you're referring to is God's wrath which is two different things..an argument commonly used by pre-tribers. I agree that Christians are protected from God's wrath but not from tribulation. When Moses brought his people out of Egypt (picture of the great tribulation) they were among the Egyptians but were protected and unharmed by God's wrath, but went through much tribulation under Pharaoh's hand.
Just as many believers who come to Christ in the tribulation will be protect from the wrath, but this is in no way an argument that debunks pre trib. Nor Is Israel saved BEFORE the rapture, they are saved AFTER the tribulation.
AMEN!! While we wait for You Jesus!
you will be waiting until the last day according to Jesus, but if you want to believe with itchy ears of pre trib your risking your salvation...
Never stop Les !
Matthew 24 is one of the most misunderstood chapters in the Bible. But it is so easily understood when rightly dividing the Word of God through the knowledge of the mystery given to the Apostle Paul. Why has the Lord opened the eyes of this individual to this truth while much more intelligent Christian leaders are blinded to this truth? Do others in the so-called Grace Movement have the same thoughts? I was saved through the writings of C. R. Stamm, the book "Man, His Nature and Destiny". Brent Greenwood gave me the book while we both served in the USAF. Thank God for friends like Brent.
ALL we HAVE TO DO is WAKE UP and SMELL THE COFFEE.
Thank you, Amen
Brothers and sisters in Christ, can we please express our opinions regarding the matter in a gracious loving manner? There is no reason we can't have a civil debate. We also should not be making such harsh accusations as labeling another believer a "false teacher or a heretic" because we happen to hold different points of view on a doctrine that has zero impact on our salvation regardless of what position we hold. One cannot seriously believe that someone with the opposing view is intentionally trying decieve individuals or the church as a whole. Now with that being said, I'm sure we can all agree that the rapture/resurrection of the church, where we'll receive our perfect glorified bodies, is perhaps one of the MOST SIGNIFICANT events we're all looking forward to, right? Then why are the details of it not mentioned in Rev 19 when heaven is opened up and Jesus is riding down to the earth with His armies? Likewise, why is it not detailed at the beginning of Revelation before the first seal is broken? Or in the middle of Revelation? This is a MAJOR EVENT! My point is that none of us can point to a single scripture that tells the EXACT timing of the rapture/resurrection of the church so we're left to search all the scriptures and try to piece the timing together. No matter when the timing is, I believe it is just so unnecessary for us to become divided over it. When we do we are allowing our enemy to further obliterate the unity that our savior prayed for us to have. Let us not give satan what he wants. Let us be patient, gracious and merciful to one another as we seek our Lord and study His word to show ourselves approved. In the end we will all meet in the air and rejoice at the appearing of our precious Jesus. May His peace rule and reign in your hearts and minds.
+Marissa McGee Very well said. I agree this issue has nothing to do with salvation. We should as the body of Christ be of one mind. There is no need to argue over it. When ever someone believes the rapture is, I am going to treat them as a brother in the Lord. The attacks, and name calling, and division are so uncalled for.
+Marissa McGee Well for starters, how can Christians miss the voice of the Lamb ? Jesus said my sheep hear my voice, which might suggest some people are not his sheep. It really does matter because some people might put off becoming a Christian, thinking they have to go through the Tribulation anyway... In your post you mention Revelation 19, and asked why it doesn't mention the Rapture. It does, but people miss the obvious.
Read it again, in brief, how can MUCH PEOPLE be in Heaven, Marry the Lamb Jesus, put on White Linen (which it says is the Garments of the Saints) Ride White Horses back to earth with Jesus (on his Second Coming) and HERE IS THE KEY......And the Anti-Christ, his Kings and Armies await us on Earth to do battles with us !!! The people are STILL ON EARTH !!! Is that not self explanatory ? We are in Heaven, SAINTS/PEOPLE while those that oppose and hate God are Still on earth. It is staring you in the face.
God Bless
Name calling, and division are FROM Satan...
Jesus called them false prophets, and he said there would be false prophets in the end times. A prophet is someone who preaches the word of God. dispensation and dispensationalists are delusion and teaching man-made doctrines. If the blind lead the blind then they will both fall into a pit. 1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Do not be overwhelmed in these last hours brothers and sisters, this is our time to shine. Stand up for our Lord Jesus and help bring others to the kingdom before its too late. No matter how hard it gets, don't venture from the path that has got you this far! Keep looking up and do not get distracted by the many distractions all around us! Revelation 3:11 - Behold, I am coming quickly! Hold fast what you have, that no one may take your crown.
Thank you GOD for Les & Iris Feldick ,thanks for the education.
excellent teaching,love how it breaks it down.Maranatha..:)
Plow, YOU: So how long was the time Jesus called His last "hour"...7 YEARS ? Or the "hour" that Babylon is destroyed ? 7 YEARS ?
ME: the word for "hour" in Rev 3:10 is #5610 which can mean: "day, hour, instant, season, time". the "temptation that will come upon all the habitable earth" is the temptation to believe the deception of the AntiChrist. the Church/Bride is kept "OUT" (#1537) of this period of time - which we know from Scripture is 7 years (Dan 9:27) -- which is also the First Seal; get it? it is JESUS that sends the AntiChrist upon the earth, and it is GOD that sends the strong delusion for the Nations to believe the deception of the AntiChrist (2Thes 2:10-12) -- making the entire Scroll the wrath of GOD/Lamb... and the Church/Bride doesn't go thru the wrath.
"Because you kept the word of my patience, I also will keep you OUT (1537) of the hour of temptation (3986) to come upon the habitable world all, to try (3985, tempt, entice) those dwelling on the earth."
get a Greek/English Bible, FGS !!
Plow, YOU: Therefore...you are going against all scriptural contexts of the term "hour"...in order to insert a 7 year period.
ME: no. the word used has other meanings than ONE literal hour.
take the Greek word "kurios" -- it is translated "lord" 56 times, "Lord" 663 times, "master" 12 times, "Master" 2 times, "sir" 13 times, and "owner" once. you have to translate it within its CONTEXT. Revelation 3:10 is speaking of the "TIME" when the entire world is "tempted, enticed" to believe the deception of the AntiChrist -- and that is a 7 year period of "TIME" according to Daniel 9:27.
Plow, YOU: i'm saying thete are SCRIPTURES...IN REVELATION...THAT SHOW...SHOW this "hour"...but YOU reject them for your own UNSCRIPTURAL INTERPRETATIONS.
ME: so Daniel 9:27 is not a "Scripture" describing Rev 3's "time of temptation" coming upon the entire world ???
9-27 IS ABOUT THE 7yr. COVENANT, ANTICHRIST WILL BREAK COVENANT AT HALF WAY POINT. THE TEMPLE WILL BE BUILT AT THIS POINT OF SCRIPTURE..
Sry 4 caps...But the scripture reads exactly as i reported.. Who stops the sacrifice and oblation? Who goes into the temple showing himself as God? Antichrist...
for you post tribs. Luke 21:36 pray that you may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE!!! all these things. Rev 7:9-14 these came up out of great tribulation.1st thess 5:9 we are not appointed to wrath!
Matthew 24
@@donnaadams1765 Matthew 24 is to the Jews during the 70th week of Daniel, not for the Body of Christ which is a unique dispensation which began with Paul. Once the Pauline church is taken up to the heaven, Israel's Kingdom program will resume, and Matthew 24 will be fulfilled.
@@VFXShawn Jesus speaking to the Pharisee Jews - Bible book of John 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
48 Then answered the Jews
Then answered the Jews
Then answered the Jews
Then answered the Jews
pretty obvious who Jesus called of their father the DEVIL.
This is one of the biggest problems in trying to get people out of the false pre-trib belief, God's wrath and the tribulation are NOT the same thing! Its called the tribulation because that is what it is. Tribulation is oppression of the saints by evil. Believers are told to endure trials and tribulations. - Thes 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; - Acts 14:22 and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God. - Philp 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake. In Luke 21, those verses are about the events leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70A.D. and not about his 2nd coming. The word "escape" you mentioned is a good English word but not a great meaning for the original Geek that was used. εκφυγείν more accurately translated should be (to flee).
@@dlbard1 You ignored Revelation saying it is the only time of God's wrath and he sends satan to fulfill it.
Jacob's troubles, Daniel's 70th week are this wrath.
Tribulation is wrath!
We are not appointed to wrath.
The Lord reviels the truth to your heart
I know His word is truth . And this man is
Preaching / teaching Gods word in truth.
Amen amen and amen.
Love Les Feldick! Thank you.
I discovered Les' bible study years ago on local t.v. channel. Long story short it has changed my life and opened up the scriptures to me. Dispensationalism is a bad word in some circles. I believe that's because the term is misunderstood. For example, I catch many errors when pastors try to fit the church into promises that God made to Israel. Once when I was teaching in prison about the difference between how God dealt with Isreal under the old covenant and His dealing with the church today I was confronted by two team members and one prisoner. After a brief discussion it became obvious that they did not entirely understand the difference between the two dispensations. This, I believe, is how good Christians get into error concerning doctrinal issues. I am convinced that the anti-dispensation folks don't give enough weight to the writings of Paul. Another good dispensation teacher is Robert Breaker, although I don't agree with his KJV only argument.
Bless Les he is right.
Dan May - Les is DEAD right for those who are Spiritually DEAD!
@@delawarecop Matthew 24, Please read, and pray for Lord Gods wisdom
Donna Adams - please read John 6:39, 40, 44, and 54 to see which day Jesus says that He will return to raise ALL & EVERYONE...
Les is one of the best Shepherds!
BlazingLove316, amen. God bless.
Blazing , Scott ; Satan has his shepherds too . Les is just a man who lies cheats and such like the rest of us . Trust the bible in context as it is written . Read the whole paragraph as it was intended to be read . Your Shepherd is Jesus Christ .
Charles Wesley Ok Charles, show us the lies and cheating of Les. This ought to be good. Sounds like you know something.
Blaze Les is purposefully omitting 2nd Thessalonians Chapter 2 verse 1 thru 6 . Those who do address that verse immediately tries to muddy the interpretation by emphasizing the restrainer and ignoring the whole purpose of the scripture which was to refute false doctrines that were sowed in the church .
Charles...It was about the Church Departing. Not the Church departing from the faith. The Thessalonians were fearful they were going through Gods wrath. Paul told them THAT DAY can not come until the DEPARTING (Of the Church see verse one, the SUBJECT is the Gathering together unto Christ) of the Church, then that Anti-Christ will be Revealed.
Paul is reassuring them that the Church doesn't go through the Wrath of God, they DEPART FIRST !!
post tribs cant answer this ,if you are raptured at the end of tribulation where are those saved out of tribulation to reign on earth for 1000 years with christ ?
+sheila hyatt do you believe the reserection in Rev 20 4 5 is the first reserection? if so are you denying the reserection of jesus christ?
the only way the reserection in revelation 20 4 5 can be the first reserection is if it is part of the whole reserection.
meaning the first reserection happens in stages, Jesus is first fruits, the next in line is the reserection / rapture in 1st thes 4 16 18, then the 2 witnesses Rev 11 and finally the reserection of rev 20 4 5
what do all of these have in common? everyone in them is a believer, the second reserection at the end of the 1000 years or the great white throne judgment everyone in it is an unsaved person. There's not a single believer in it.
***** the problem with your theology is you have the living preceding the dead, you say the the second coming is Mathew 24 29 31 and I agree it lines right up with Revelation 19 11 16 it's the same event in both, you say the rapture occures at the second coming though there is no mention of the dead in Christ rising first. Nor is there mention of it on Revelation either, the first reserection doesn't occur until after Jesus has already returned to earth and he has cast the anti christ and his false prophet into the lake of fire Rev 20 4, but by the time the first reserection happens you have already had the living raptured. Proof that the post tribbers and pre wrathers have the living preceding the dead. It isn't going to happen.
Also at the reserection rapture it's jesus himself that is gathering not angels,
How do the people in the sheep and goat judgement of Mathew 25 31 46 get to that judgment?
Google "Hal Lindsey's Pretrib Rapture Proof" which covers who enters millennium and repopulates!
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Where is Jesus physically at when Rev 19 20 and Rev 20 1 3 take place?
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OK if that's true then who are the people in rev 4 1 1 10 and Rev 5 8 10 who are in heaven before the first seal is broken.
I agree we go through tribulation and even persecution but we do not go though THE 7 YEAR TRIBULATION PERIOD.
There's a big difference between the two
We all go through tribulation on a daily basis. Everyone of us. But we do not go though God's judgements and the seal trumpet and bowl judgements are God's wrath on those who dwell upon the earth.
To answer the question I asked you
Where is Jesus physically at when Rev 19 20 and Rev 20 1 3 take place Jesus is physically on earth before the dead in Christ are reserected in rev 20 4, which makes it impossible for there to be a rapture of the living at the second coming cause you would have the living preceeding the dead and 1 Thessalonians 4 13 18 clearly says the dead in Christ rise first. That can not happen if Jesus is on the earth in rev 19 20 and Rev 20 1 3.
Rev 20 1 even says I saw an angel come down from heaven.
Is israel God's chosen people?
Thank you for making this Les Feldick! Excellent teaching.
I also have learned all the scriptures that are shadows of rapture from Old test.
What do you make of Matthew 24:29-31 which tells us what takes place "immediately after tribulation of those days," and includes "great sound of the trumpet" and His sending forth His angels to gather His elect?
More dangerous to the body of Christ is not the false teacher who deceives the church willingly but the false teacher who deceives the church being deceived himself..
+dre maestas So let's see dre maistas if I can understand what you are trying to say? Anybody who doesn't agree with you and your doctrine is a false teacher? Brother, look at your hands, do you see any nail holes in them? I didn't think so.
For sure man, I'm a dumbass..
If the pretrib happens, great. If it doesn't, please don't fall away.
Maranatha!
+David Paul Where?
I am a prophet and my Lord has revealed the gathering together to me. 43 years ago. I have just since Feb of this year been told by my Lord to start speaking to all that want to hear. Peace be unto you
+Larry Orr Speak up I would like to hear it. To know to sound the trumpet and not do it is unwise!
The teachings of Paul has left the church as infants in the kingdom my brother. The Spirit is asleep as if in a crib.
+Larry Orr I've never looked at Pauls writings as such, but I see the case for it. Trouble is though, that Paul gave me very useful and valuable information about other things that totally cleared up fuzzy pictures. I am not ready to entirely dismiss all of Pauls writings as false. Some, maybe, at most, but not all. Remember there are two different kind of gentiles, those that want to be grafted into Israel and those that want to remain in other countries. Could it be that Paul is speaking only to the latter?
For those who have died, yes . However they whom remain until the end, they will be changed first in a moment in the twinkling of an eye, as is written in first Corinthians chapter 15, v 51, and 52. You will be changed.
‘For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.’ 1 Thessalonians 4:15
“Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” Matthew 24:30
The main emphasis of Paul’s letters to the Thessalonians is the resurrection of believers. He wrote both letters before Matthew, Mark, and Luke wrote their gospels. So, when Paul spoke ‘by the word of the Lord’, he was simply repeating Jesus’ description of the coming of the Son of Man that was passed down by the disciples. Paul calls it the coming of the Lord and the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. Let’s compare each account of His coming.
Will life be normal at His coming? YES
(Mat. 24:37-39, 1 Thes. 5:3)
Are believers exhorted to watch and be ready? YES
(Mat. 24:42-44, 1 Thes 5:4-6)
Is the Antichrist revealed before His coming? YES
(Mat. 24:15, 2 Thes. 2:1-4)
Will Jesus come like a thief? YES
(Mat. 24:43, 48-50, 1 Thes. 5:2, 4)
Does Jesus come in the clouds? YES
(Mat. 24:30, 1 Thes.4:17)
Is a trumpet blown? YES
(Mat. 24:30, 1 Thes.4:16)
Is there a gathering of dead and alive believers? YES
(Mark 13:26-27, 1 Thes. 4:14-17)
Is their destruction after His coming? YES
(Mat. 24:37-39, 1 Thes 5:3)
Is the coming of the Lord taught by Paul (1 Thes. 4:15), the same event as the coming of the Son of Man taught by Jesus (Mat. 24:30-31)? Absolutely!
Truth study thanks so much.
rightly dividing the word is biblical. You don't understand that then well, don't know what to tell ya.
Brian Quill Without Right Division the Scriptures are veiled. All the Bible is for us, but it’s not all written to us, nor is it all about us.
@@gracewright8038 - RIGHTLY DIVIDING OR CORRECTLY HANDLING, is a reference to the only INSTRUCTIONS given in all of scripture, about how to actually study scripture.
Isaiah 28:9-10 is a direct reference to how God has written His message into scripture via PRECEPTS or "KEY WORDS", and only by following those KY WORDS, line upon line, here a little and there a little can one truly understand scripture the way that God intended.
"ll the Bible is for us, but it’s not all written to us, nor is it all about us."
Your assertion is self contradicting nonsense.
2Timothy 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness,
delawarecop Rightly Dividing doesn’t mean correctly handling. It means exactly what it says, to divide the Word rightly. It cannot be “a direct reference to Isaiah,” for what Paul taught didn’t come from the Old Testament. Everything to Paul from the Lord Jesus Christ was a mystery which was kept hid in God since before the foundation of the world (Romans 16:25). This is the way Les teaches the Bible so if you watched the video and the rest of the series, you would have picked up on this.
You called “All the Bible...self contradictory nonsense,” but didn’t say why. The Bible, all of it, is for us and our learning. Genesis through the 4 Gospels and Hebrews through Revelation are written about and to the Nation of Israel. Romans through Philemon is where Believers get their instructions and doctrine today. This is where Salvation for the Jew and Gentile is found (l Corinthians 15:1-4).
@@gracewright8038 - "Rightly Dividing doesn’t mean correctly handling. It means exactly what it says, to divide the Word rightly."
Thanks for sharing your worthless opinion, but I would suggest that you learn GREEK before spouting nonsense. The word being translated is orthotomounta, which means "to make a straight cut". It's a direct referenc to Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart."
But you don;t read Hebrews, because that's apparently only for the Jews, right? Rubbish!
As for your drivel about Romans 16:25, it's a pity that your Les brainwashing didn't afford you to read the next verse, huh?
Romans 16:25 Now to Him who is able to strengthen you by my gospel and by the proclamation of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery concealed for ages past, 26 but now revealed and made known through the writings of the prophets by the command of the eternal God, in order to lead all nations to the obedience that comes from faith-…
AND MADE KNOWN THROUGH THE WRITINGS OF THE PROPHETS - That's OLD TESTAMENT PROPHETS, not new testament prophets. What was made known and was formerly a MYSTERY - is how the indwelling Holy Spirit is able to strengthen us through following the gospel that Jesus has revealed to paul. The Holy Spirit now allows us to see the connection to all the Old Testament writings, which were previously abscured.
Seriously how can people be so gullible to believe the damned lie of fools like Les? There is no other place in all of scripture that instructs us how to actually read the bible, except in Isaiah 28:9-10. You cannot even demonstrate in the New Testament how there is some ne "MYSTERIOUS" way to read and understand scripture, because it simply doesn;t exist. So all that you have is EMPTY RHETORIC and endless unsubstantiated assertions, which in reality are NOTHING!
"You called “All the Bible...self contradictory nonsense,” but didn’t say why."
No I didn't - YOU FALSE ACCUSER & LIAR!
"Genesis through the 4 Gospels and Hebrews through Revelation are written about and to the Nation of Israel."
Absolute rubbish! Tell me where it says this in scripture, or you are merely a another Les parrot squawking pure madness.
"Romans through Philemon is where Believers get their instructions and doctrine today. "
More garbage from the self deluded fools who follow false teachers like Les/ Again I ask you to support your statement from scripture, or you are a repetitive LIAR.
How does this fit into your false gospel?
Galatians 3:26 You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.
@@gracewright8038 Dear Grace, I see from your conversation with delawarecop that you don't think that the gospels or Hebrews through Revelation are written to us. This is indeed curious. I would like to ask you some questions but am not doing so to condemn you in any way. I sincerely hope you will consider your answers to see if they still agree that those portions of scripture do not apply to us. Feel free to respond if you like, but I would be satisfied if all you do is honestly consider your position in the light of scripture. Here are some questions for you:
28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. Gal 3:28 Since we are all one in Christ, are you then saying that the gospels and Heb-Rev are strictly for the unbelieving Jews? If so, then how are we going to be saved? John said that if we receive Christ and believe in Him, we would be born again. John 1:12-13. Jesus said, "and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die." If these verses do not apply to us, then how are we to be saved? John writes that if we confess our sins, God will forgive us. If this is only to the Jews, how do we get our sins forgiven? The writer to the Hebrews said, "Therefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our confession, Christ Jesus," Are we not "holy brethren" or "partakers of the heavenly calling?" John wrote that the man who does the will of God lives forever. Does that not apply to us? John also wrote that we have overcome the world by our faith. Certainly, that applies to us, doesn't it?
Paul wrote, "I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus." Since both Jew and Gentile are saved in the same way, how is this not written to the Israelites?
This could go on forever, but I think you get the message. God bless you in your study of his word.
Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
like his style of preaching
The big error people make is not rightly dividing prophecies for Israel and Porches for the Church. The Church is NOT Israel, we are grafted into CHRIST (all Jewish and gentile believers). There are specific prophecies for Israel and those mostly get played out in the tribulation, for DANIEL'S PEOPLE. IN the Day of JACOB's Trouble. The Church is not pointed to Wrath.
Amen. Most of them point to Matt 24 because of this error.
There is no Resurrection of the dead mentioned in Matt 24, or Mark 13, or Rev 19, or Ezekiel 39, or Zechariah 14.
What we see in Matt 24 is the fulfillment of the wheat/tares and the sheep goats of Matt 13 and Matt 25:31-34.
There is no mention of the dead or a resurrection here either. These
are living people on the earth who survived the tribulation.
There is no rapture, no Resurrection, not graves being opened, and no
saints being transformed into immortal beings, and no one being taken to
heaven in these passages.
Rev 12 proves that the harpazo is long before the Great Trib described to the Jews by Jesus in Matt 24:21. the Great Trib is the last 3 1/2 years -- and that is for the Woman/Israel.
God's people are not appointed to "wrath". That word is "orge" in the Greek and Scripture defines the meaning of this word in Scripture ... John 3:36, Rev. 14:10.... it is spiritual and eternal Hell. People (with an agenda) love to attempt to show that we are not appointed to tribulation as a result.... that would be a lie. The Word shows that we are not appointed to wrath, but to salvation and forever living with Him. Interesting that our appointment is eternal... Somehow people want to deceive us into believing that we are not appointed to "thymos" .... the word used to describe the wrath poured out in Revelations... such as the bowl/vial judgements.
Randy, God's people are not appointed to "wrath". That word is "orge" in the Greek and Scripture defines the meaning of this word in Scripture ... John 3:36, Rev. 14:10.... it is spiritual and eternal Hell. People (with an agenda) love to attempt to show that we are not appointed to tribulation as a result.... that would be a lie.
ME: explain why Jesus is telling the Church in Rev 3:10 that they will be exempted from the "hour of trial" that shall come upon the entire world.
yet Jesus tells the Thyatira Church that if they do not come out of their Church that has embraced the Jezebel Spirit -- they will be cast into Great Tribulation. (Rev 2:20-24)
and why did Jesus say that we should pray always that we may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass ?? (Luke 21:36)
so Jesus says that there is a way to escape all the horrors of "the great deception of the antiChrist" coming upon the entire world (2Thes 2:8-12) -- that even the Elect of God might succumb -- and Jesus tells a Church that they will NOT go thru the horrors to come, and yet Jesus tells another Church that (because of their idolatry) they WILL go thru the horrors that the evil World will suffer ......
your explanation ?
VictorCrowne... Every Scripture that "supports" the pretrib doctrine is first bathed and marinated in speculation, assumption, conjecture and lies.... let's take a look at your references:
Rev. 3:10... "hour of trial"...the assumption is by the pretrib doctrine... this equates the 7 YEAR great tribulation period... that's a long hour! As will all pretrib passages they must be manipulated to fit their doctrine. This verse has some parallel passages... Luke 21:36, and Psalm 91. In Luke 21:36 Jesus commands us to "pray always, that you may be considered worthy...." which is a work and we are not saved by works... (Eph 2:8,9) therefore we cannot be raptured by works either, because the only prerequisite for "rapture" is salvation. Therefore to assume that "escape" in this passage is equalivant to being "raptured," is an impossibility. Why would someone who is going to be "raptured" anyways, be "praying always, that they might be considered worthy to be "raptured" (escape)? Of course, here again we have a huge assumption, and pretribbers brush off the command to be praying always, because ....well ....why? On the other hand if we are to be praying always that we might be able to escape all that is coming on the Earth ...and there is a lot... then we'd better get busy.... because "all" is not a singular event. The coming of our Lord comes as a woman in labor (1 Thess. 5) in which there are waves, like a woman in labor, that gradually get worse and worse. Many have not escaped the first waves of labor that have already come on the earth...
Rev. 2:20-24... I love how pretribbers like to capitalize the word "great" in GREAT tribulation don't you? It helps change the sentence structure from adjectives to nouns. ....like "taken" or "catching away" is changed from a verb to the noun "rapture." In this passage the sentence structure does not use the term "The Great Tribulation" as you do, rather they are told that they will suffer great tribulation. It is not a noun, but an action. Like the church of Thessalonians were suffering great tribulation as Paul recognized in 2 Thess. 1, and that is why he informs them in 2 Thess. 2:1-3 that two things must happen first before we are gathered together with Him... the great apostasia (apostasy/falling away), and the man of perdition must first be revealed. I could go into the great tribulation that Jesus spoke of, in which the Jews suffered during the Jewish Diaspora where nearly 12 million Jews died, but that would be a long essay.
I have some questions for you:
1)Rev. 20:4,5 informs us that those who are martyred for not taking the "mark of the beast" are resurrected at the "first" resurrection of the dead. Therefore how can there be a previous resurrection of the dead if this is the first one? For Paul called the event in which we are changed in twinkling of an eye, the "resurrection of the dead," ...see 1 Thess. 15:42-54.
2)Jesus called Peter a "rock" and on this "rock" I will build my church. Why did Peter teach the church the "second coming" and how to live because of it ....2 Peter 3:10-18?
3)Jesus models His return in Acts 1:9-12. He left the Mount of Olives to the sky/clouds and then to Heaven. The disciples were staring into heaven obviously looking for more... but that more never came. They then were confronted on why they were staring into Heaven and told that Jesus would return in "like manner" as He left. This passage doesn't speak of the tribulation period... does that mean it doesn't exist??? Of course not! 1 Thess. 4:16,17 doesn't speak of where Jesus goes after we meet Him in the air??? Does that mean He doesn't continue to the Mount of Olives like He modeled in Acts 1:9-12 ... of course not! Yet, because the Word of God does not give every detail in every passage, you think (because you want them to be so badly) that they are separate events. 1 Thess. 4:16,17 is the same exact event as Matt. 24:29-31. You separate these events because the passages don't tell every detail. Does that mean that Matthew, Mark and Luke are telling of a different Jesus because they don't have the same exact details ....what an absurd idea! Jesus will return in "like manner" as He left. Therefore, He will come from Heaven with those who are absent from the body, but present with the Lord, to the sky/clouds where those who are alive and remain will meet Him (Matt. 24:29-31, 1 Thess. 4:16,17) At this time those who are mortal (alive) will have there physical bodies changed from mortal to immortal. This is the opposite of Adam who was changed from immortal to mortal "...by one man's sin death entered into the World..." Isaiah 65;20 speaks of this immorality during the millennium ...if a person dies at the age of 100 they will be considered a mere child. The dead in Christ will be changed from corruptible (defined by the word as rotted in the grave ...see Acts 2:31) to incorruptible. The dead will again need physical bodies (Earth suits) at this time to rule and reign with Christ for 1000 years. Without these physical bodies they could not rule and reign with Him for they would be disembodied spirits or ghosts. Flesh and blood does not inherit the kingdom of Heaven... and their physical bodies do not go to Heaven... Jesus isn't headed there again for 1000 years. When John was told to "come of here... immediately he was in the spirit." Physical bodies don't leave Earth. Those who present the pretrib rapture love to lie to us and tell us that we get "glorified" physical bodies at the time of the rapture so they can go to a "glorified" heaven. This also in not found in the Word of God. In order for a pretribber to show Scripture differences between a "rapture" and a "second coming," they must flat out lie to us.... Do you have one?
"Now, there is in store for me a Crown of Righteousness, which the LORD, the Righteous Judge, will award to me ON THAT DAY -- and NOT only to me, but to ALL who have longed for His APPEARING." 2Timothy 4:8 ** "And when the Chief Shepherd APPEARS, you will receive a Crown of Glory....." 1Peter 5:4 ** "Behold, I am coming soon and My Reward is WITH Me....." Revelation 22:12 ** The 24 elders in Revelation 4:1-5 HAVE their Crowns & we receive ours when they do theirs. The Rapture is PRE-TRIB. We'll be in Heaven with Christ, then come back WITH Him at His 2nd Coming. Jude1:14-16 & Revelation 17:14. MARANATHA
***** The rapture is NOT pre-trib.
2Thess 2:4 So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:
5 ¶ Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:
6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, {his...: Gr. the angels of his power}
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: {taking: or, yielding}
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
- Patience and faith in persecution and tribulations endured
- may ye be counted worthy of the kingdom for which we suffer
- Jesus revealed from heaven with his angels
- Jesus appears to all bringing judgment with him
- Jesus will be glorified in his saints at that day He returns
Plain and simple. It is NOT pre-trib
TheTurtlee1 When you see the antichrist, you MISSED Jesus Christ.......When this man of sin signs a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years, you'll be happily on your way for 7 years of terror. I'll be with the Lord Jesus Christ, missing it all.....MARANATHA
***** You are making a lot of baseless statements.
1) that Jesus comes before antichrist.
2) the man of sin signs a peace treaty with Israel for 7 years.
3) that there are 7 years of terror.
4) that you will be with Jesus in heaven before tribulation.
I have not seen any of those statements shown in Scripture.
I might add, your use of maranatha defies you.
TheTurtlee1 He doesn't need scripture support. He thinks if he says it enough times it will come true. Perhaps he clicks his heals at the same time?
2 Thess 2:3 satan WILL come first. 7 year Trib is connecting dots. Number 4 however is true if he dies before Christ returns and he might because he will do nothing to make ready for the Tribulation.
People, I tell you in humble love, we will NOT leave earth AFTER Jesus has returned. If were still alive we WILL go through satans Tribulation. I pray to God I am here. Be in a position to help children. DON'T be a foolish virgin. Thanks.
Great job ! I love your teachings ! Thank you.
Matthew 24
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray , and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land
The Lord is talking to the Jews.
Good massage.
Yes , I agree, there is a hateful aggressive behavior of post tribbers against the pre trib Truth. They name call, and exhibit their fruits of the flesh.
there is no post,pre or middle. There are the ones who have the Father's Holy Spirit abiding in them and they clearly see what the Father's word says. Peace be unto you
Larry Orr
"there is no post,pre or middle."
So, what is your theory then, when you say there is no rapture? Back it up with Scripture.
d bur my brother I was simply saying that there should be no divisions of time concerning the rapture or the gathering together.
The first gathering will be the ones who did not love the truth and became believers of lies.
The elect would be deceived if it were possible , but it is not possible .
These will be cast into the winepress of God's and the Lord Himself will trampleth them to death. They will see the Lord coming in the clouds and they will mourn because they know they have been deceived. Soon after the one with authority over fire calls his angel to collect them the Saints are redeemed off of the Earth
Then He shall gather unto Him the ones who are dead in Christ and then the ones living and place them with Him in the clouds.
Larry Orr "The first gathering will be the ones who did not love the truth and became believers of lies."
Not correct. In fact, you are twisting Scripture throughout your whole post.
+d bur you don't want to know the truth. you say I am twisting
scripture and you didn't say how . if you want to learn then you will listen.There are many that will not hear.
If you look at Rev, the first three chapters deal with the Church. In fact, it is mentioned 19 times. After that, church is no longer here as when the vision from Heaven deals with the 24 Elders which is the Glorified Church with their crowns.The tribulation begins in Chapt 6. Now, having said that, in Chap 19, when the Saints of God return (after the marriage supper of the Lamb) they are coming back with Jesus. So, if they were here during the tribulation, was it a quick turn around in Heaven?? Also, during the Tribulation no one is translated, sin will be judged, and Bible is concerned with the saved and lost. Rapture, Church meets Christ, We go to Heaven, Living Saints translated, world not judged, Bible is concerned with the saved. Last point, during the Rapture, the Mount of Olives is untouched as Jesus does to come to earth. After the Tribulation, he sets foot on the Mount of Olives and it is split in half.
You are right MIKE! I agree with you!!! I am for the rapture before the tribulation!!!
Phineas Thats too bad cuz you are just the type satan is looking for to take his mark. For the rest of you, please make ready to go through the Tribulation. Not one verse in the word of God takes us off the earth after Jesus returns. Not one. God Bless.
MeatTheBible
you lost the meat of matthew 24. 2 in field, one left and the other is take. where did he/she go? try marriage supper in heaven. no time to have all mentioned scriptures of judgment seat of Christ and the handing out of gifts and crowns. you also forget that we are to be ready as full of oil and waiting for His marriage to those at the door waiting to go in not stay behind like the foolish virgins? hello? its not hard to see this.
James Bannister My brother, Matt 13:29-30 tells us clearly who in the field was taken where. The ones that are left go to the BARN = JERUSALEM to be with Jesus forever.
The wedding SUPPER is here on earth AFTER all Saints have made the cut. The BILLIONS that make it during the Tribulation will be at the supper as well no? Or will we call the step wives?
And lastly friend, look up the word MEET in the parable of the ten virgins. Only used 4 times and it means to escort a VIP to your destination. The groom NEVER left. The 5 that din't make it were taken. Pray to God you are left behind. Thanks.
MeatTheBible wrong
I'm actually getting convinced of a two-rapture event. Pretrib and also for those saints in tribulation who are saved after the first. Those are some of the strongest saints ever. Literally the most evil time in history with the entire world against them and they stand strong
The Bible doesn't tell us there will be 2 raptures, the 7yr tribulation fulfills the 490yr prophesy with Israel and the Jew. The Jewish program is earthly, the Body of Christ program is heavenly.
Believe the Gospel 1Corinthians 15:1-4 is Salvation for this Dispensation of Grace
Thank you for this! I was raised pre trib rapture, but after learning of how the church continued with carrying on the lies of pagan holidays, the wrong sabbath, etc.. I read the whole Bible myself and became a mid trib because of Mathew 24, Rev 6, & 2 Thes 2.
I’m not a biblical scholar so I didn’t understand how God deals differently with different people at different times (dispensation). I understand Mathew was to the Jews regarding the 2nd coming. I get Rev 6 is the trib saints. But I’m still hung up on 2 Thes 2 specifically 1 & 3.
I’m definitely more confident of a pre-tribulation rapture now! Just have one scripture left I don’t understand how it fits with a pre-trib rapture!
If you read Matt 24 then you understand that Christ promised to return in his generation. I believe He did as he promised. AD 70 fulfilled all the law and the prophets and signified the end of the old “heaven and earth”, and beginning of new covenant
All the Things described in John’s revelation of Yeshua the Christ happened in first century. John called himself a “fellow partaker in the tribulation” rev 1:9. If you are pre trib rapture than it had to happen before john wrote Revelation
Do you wonder why Hebrews 10:37 says in yet a very,very little while he who is coming will come, and will not delay. I would say 2000 years is a bit of a delay, wouldn’t you??
1. Christ prayed to the Father NOT to take his followers out of the world BUT rather to keep them from the evil in it (read your Bible)....Yes, we all will go through tribulation at that time (not wrath) else you are contradicting what Christ himself spoke.
Best thing is to prepare your hearts and minds to be with the Lord, just as a bride for her groom...lots of similarities here....read about Jewish weddings..amazing significance..like Jesus come to take His bride at night with trumpets etc (not quietly). God's protection will be very strong though for true believers so no need to stress.
2. The exodus out of Egypt is a strong comparison to Christs return, Pharaoh is like the Antichrist and Egypt is like the world..we will be protected by incredible works of God as believers at that time...miracles will be done and we will be strengthened in Lord like no other time...
3. Why does God shorten those days - because of the Elect living in the world at that time, that's why.
4. Why during the last bowl judgement in Revelation 16 does it still mention "Behold, I am coming as a thief" - because Christ has not yet returned, that's why.
5. Why does Jesus and St Paul warn us to not be deceived so many times? - because we will be in the world and have to decide to not take the mark of the beast and not to trust the false prophet etc..
6. Daniel 7:21-25 mentions the Saints are overcome by the little horn (antichrist) speaking pompous words - ie this is within the “great tribulation” period or last 3.5 years (v25) so true Christians will be in the world at that time.
7. Was Christ raptured away from the Cross ? NO, what does he say about his disciples - “A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a servant above his master. If they have persecuted me they will persecute you”.
8. The parable of the tares and wheat mention it is the wicked who will be taken away first, not the wheat - not the other way around.
Most dreams I have seen on TH-cam about the end times from Christians - they wake up after they are killed unfortunately in their dream so is a lesson for us all to be extra careful - some have rapture dreams but we know this happens at the end, not at the start and not one dream shows the rapture prior to this..Don't live for the world but for God....God bless.
Ps If your going to comment on this post please respond from scripture each of my 8 points above first before putting forward your own views else you have no argument. You cannot override scripture with another scripture or do you think the Bible contradicts itself?
Well done! I concur 100%
I also agree with u, tribulation yes, not wrath. as u pointed out it is all over the bible. there is no greater honor than to die for jesus and im ready. first the dead in christ then us who are left alive....AFTER the seventh trump
Les is a good godly man just doing his best.
The wrath starts at the beginning of the tribulation. It’s Jesus himself who opens the seals. That includes the Antichrist. So if you aren’t doing they wrath then you won’t be here for the full “tribulation “ we have always faves tribulation but “the great tribulation “ is a specific time period never seen before either way be ready
Your ministry is a blessing! I will pray for you and all brethren here. There is a CROWN in Heaven awaiting all who share the Gospel of Jesus Christ and a soul is saved. ( "THE GOSPEL " below) See 1 Thessalonians chapter 2:verse 19-20; " For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming? 20 For you are our glory and joy. Also See: Philippians chapter 4:verse 1 Therefore, my brethren dearly beloved and longed for, my joy and crown, so stand fast in the Lord, my dearly beloved.
THE RAPTURE IS IMMINENT
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The founding church of apostles and saints looked for His coming daily! His coming was IMMINENT.Their greeting was always "Maranatha" (Aramaic: מרנאתא; marana-tha, lit. 'come, our lord! '). It occurs once in the New Testament 1 Corinthians chapter 16: verse 22. Our lives are inspired by the certain hope Jesus will call us to His side and take us home one day. He promised and He keeps His word. (John chapter 14: verse 3) The saints who passed before us, first, and we who are alive right after them to meet the Lord in the air and so shall we ever be with our Lord God and Savior; our groom! That IS "rock solid".1 Thess. chapter 4 : verses 15-17
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THE BRIDE OF CHRIST TAKEN UP BEFORE TRIBULATION BEGINS
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Beloved in Christ Jesus the Lord; Look at John 14:3; Titus chapter 2: verses 11-14; Revelation chapter 3: verse 10; 1 Thess. chapter 5: verse 9 for pre-trib rapture. When the last "christian is saved" we are out of here at the call of Jesus Christ. See :Romans chapter 11:verse 25. It is "IMMINENT"! WE WANT TO GO HOME! (when Paul shares '' fullness" of Gentiles here it means the last Gentile to complete the church (composed of Jew and Gentile) is saved the entire body of believers living and those who have passed on since Pentecost will be raised and meet Jesus Christ in the air way above Earth to be taken to our Fathers House in Heaven .
This praise resounds across the earth. "Jesus is Lord and only He saves".
2 Samuel chapter 22: Verse 50 "Therefore I will praise you, O Lord, out of the countries, and I will praise your name."
THE GOSPEL
God the Son (Jesus Christ) has given us the gospel to share with the world.
Mark chapter 16: Verse 15: "And He said unto them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
How can anyone hear the "good" news? Romans chapter 10: verse 17 "Then faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of God."
Isaiah chapter 7: verse 14: "Therefore the LORD shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and call His name Immanuel." Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל, "God with us" in human flesh but without sin. The Savior of the world was born to die for our sins! He did so 33 years later. His terrible ordeal; body mutilated; blood poured out, finally died and was placed in a tomb and rose from the dead the 3rd day ! "HE IS RISEN" Matthew chapter 28: verse 6.
Isaiah chapter 53: verse 5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
John chapter 3: Verse 16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans chapter 3: verse 23
" For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans chapter 6: verse 23
" Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me.."John chapter 14.verse 6
"1 Corinthians chapter 15: verse 3 "For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:"
THE PAYMENT BY HIS BLOOD FOR ALL SINS EVER! (the life is in the blood. He had to pay with His life)
"And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world." 1 John chapter 2: verse 2
Romans chapter 5:verse 8 "But God demonstrates his love for us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, now justified by his blood, we will be saved from wrath through him."
“For he (God) hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.” 2 Corinthians chapter 5:verse 21.
" In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;." Ephesians chapter 1:verse 7
Matthew chapter 26:verse 28 "For this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." (the life is in the blood. He had to pay with His life)
"And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness." Hebrews chapter 9:verse 22
BY GOD'S GRACE ALONE THROUGH FAITH ALONE IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE ARE WE SAVED (NOT anything we do but believe the word of His truth !)
Ephesians chapter 2:verse 8 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 not of works, lest any man should boast."
Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sins and rescue us from eternal *death (*conscious separation from GOD forever). Because of Jesus' death on our behalf, all we have to do is admit we are sinners & believe in Him, trusting in the shedding of His blood and in His death, burial and resurrection from the dead as payment for our sins, and we will be saved! John chapter 20: verses 24-31
WE TESTIFY TO THE TRUTH
Romans 10:
9 That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart man believes in righteousness; And a confession by mouth is given for salvation.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
TO DIE IS TO REJECT SALVATION IN JESUS CHRIST AND BE SEPARATE FROM GOD FOREVERMORE
Salvation and forgiveness of sins is the blessing of anyone who believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Those who reject the free gift of salvation, see John chapter 3: verse 16 above, "perish", which means their sins are judged by God the Son and they suffer eternal separation from God and the family of God forever called the "second death" Revelation chapter 21: verse 8.
THE SURE "PEACE" IN JESUS CHRIST
"Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ". Romans chapter 5:verse 1
Have you noticed that it's always exactly 20 years with the Rapture-Deniers? Each one was Pre-Tribber for 20 years (never 10, never 15, never 18, always 20) before they found the "truth". That must be from Screwtape's talking points memo.
K potter . They smartened up and found out about the Pretrib lie . Some never learn . They remain delusional all their lives . There is a message in that for you !
Plowshares I never really gripped the Pretrib thingy . I heard what I was told but I am pessimistic some what . I'm not paranoid in any measure but I require proof to base my life's parameters on . That's what Pretribbers share is that they base their decision making process on what sounds good to them rather than reality and fact . Now at risk of insulting people , some are born SUCKERS , and they can not help it . They are classified as severe optimist . And others balance between that and pessimistic . Of course there is severe pessimism . This affects our beliefs as we believe what we want to . There is probably no hope for Potter and his likes. He is going to let a feel good lie send him hurtling right into the Antichrists arms . On the other hand the severely pessimistic will never embrace the truth of the Gospel . We are what we are . But those in the balance can be reached I am retired now 4 years . You say you were pretrib 52 years , sounds like you are too .
Plow, YOU: 52 yrs in pre trib. Until i realized that its based on unscriptural interpretations of SELECT scriptures.
ME: you are sadly under the delusion that the Church (SPIRITUAL Israel) has completely replaced the nation of Israel (PHYSICAL Israel); and that is why you have a twisted view of End Time Prophecy.
Daniel and Matt 24 are for the PHYSICAL Jews/Israel -- check out Rev 12.
This has nothing to do with the SPIRITUAL Bride/Church being taken to the Father's House (John 14:2-3, Rev 21:9-10).
Plow, YOU: Like YOU...trying to claim the promise of eternal life...BEFORE the O.T. Saints n Prophets to whom that promise was first made...
ME: the OT Saints have already been resurrected; with Jesus. Abraham's Bosom is empty. Matt 27:52-53, 1Cor 15:20-21, 1Pet 3:18-20
Plow, YOU: Dan.12:11-*13 " But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at THE END OF THE DAYS."
ME: Daniel is for the JEWS/ISRAEL, not the Church (Rom 11:25-32). once again, read Rev 12, the End Time is for the JEW/ISRAEL, not the Church.
Thank you so very much!!!!!!
I LOVE TO LISTEN TO HIM! PRAISETHELORD!!!
Jesus taught the gathering happens after the tribulation and Paul did also. When I said the gathering 2 coming and not the rapture all the people against the truth knew the gathering in Matthew 24 is the rapture.
You are confusing the 2nd coming and the rapture. The context of the Olivet discourse is the Apostles asking Jesus when he would return (2nd coming) and when the age would end. Jesus responds in the context of the Jews of the great tribulation and the 2nd coming. Paul made quite clear the rapture was a mystery revealed unto him. In fact the chruch is already shown with Christ in heaven in Rev 4 and 5 BEFORE the tribulation begins. As well as Rev 19 showing the WIFE (now married) already with Christ in heaven BEFORE the 2nd coming.
@@ExperienceEric at the 2 coming the rapture of the body of Christ will happen at that time the 1st resurrection will be happening also. Hebrews 9:28 does not teach a 3 appearing for a believing people waiting for Jesus.
@@ExperienceEric Revelation 19: 6-8 clearly teaches the saints of Revelation are the same saints of the Church
@@ExperienceEric Is there a resurrection at the rapture (gathering of the body of Christ)?
@@justinwilson3694 There is no mention of any resurrection when Jesus describes his return in Matthew, Mark or Luke.
If there was to be a pretrib rapture, the dead in christ will be raised and those on earth will meet Jesus in the air. From there the Elect then proceed to the marriage supper with Jesus. The problem though is what about the "Other Elect". What other Elect you ask? There is still going to be people who turn to God during the tribulation and those who refuse to take the "Mark of the Beast" and become Martyrs. These elect!
In other words the marriage supper would be going ahead in heaven, wine swirling, rings swapped, praising our King, celebrating Gods goodness with potentially millions of Elect not present at the wedding table.
So a pretrib rapture of the saints would mean there has to be two resurrections of the Saints!! One before the tribulation and another for after the tribulation.
There can only be "One" resurrection for the Saints, One gathering of Gods Elect as written which is "After the tribulation"
Matthew
Chapter 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
A pretrib Rapture is NOT possible scripturally, it creates the above tension which for me refutes this doctrine as completely unscriptural. There is only one rapture and that is after the tribulation.
To believe in a pretrib rapture means you have to believe in two resurrections or two raptures of the saints/elect, NOT POSSIBLE!!
God Bless
Sean Bezuidenhout exactly!
Then why should it be necessary to separate the goats from the sheep? The rapture at the end would seem to circumvent the need for that.
Sean Bezuidenhout Anything is possible with GOD. IT WILL HAPPEN. HAVE FUN WITH TGE DEVIL BECAUSE I WILL BE WITH CHRIST IN THE AIR BEFORE THE DEVIL IS EVEN KNOWN ... 2 THESS. 2:3. HAVE FUN, BECAUSE I KNOW I WILL...
I notice you put down Matt 24. That has to do with the Jews NOT THE CHURCH. LEARN YOUR BIBLE AND STOP USING SCRIPTURE THAT BELONGS TO THE JEWS.. THE JEWS DID NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE AGE OF GRACE AND THE GENTILES BEING SAVED. CHRIST DIDNT TELL THEM SO HOW CAN WE AS THE CHURCH BE PART OF MATT 24..
EDH1712 Because there is going to be people who at the end of the tribulation that still are not going to believe. So Christ will have to separate them. Matt 25: 32 " And before him shall be gathered ALL NATIONS : and he shall separate them one from another... " ALL NATIONS means they won't be dead yet. That some lived from every nation through the tribulation and some won't be believer's . Isa.. 24:6
How can there be a Pre-tribulation rapture if Jesus said He would raise us up on the Last Day?
A day with the Lord is 1000 years.
He is telling you He would resurrect His body early in the 7th millennium (the last day). This is the sabbath day of rest, the millennial reign. He made the end known from the beginning. Creation week was 7 days with the 7th day being a day of rest.
Just as Christ rose on the 3rd day, His body will rise early on the 3rd day (7th Millennium since Creation). He is the head, we are the body, just as the Scriptures say. He laid down the pattern. We are at the 2000 year mark now, so we are the beginning of the 3rd prophetic day.
Notice the 3rd day pattern in these Scriptures:
Exodus 19:10-19
John 2:1 (a wedding on the 3rd day, Jesus and his followers invited)
Hosea 6:2
Esther 5:1 (Esther is a symbol of the church and stand in her royal apparel in the Kings court on the 3rd day)
2 Kings 20:5
Too much symbolism. There is a danger in having doctrine based on symbolism, since symbolism can be very subjective. It would be better and safer to base it on the more didactic sections of scripture, and not the symbolic, which really should be used to support the didactic, and not the other way around. God bless.
Its not a "doctrine". I don't think you know what the word "doctrine" means.
Your understanding of prophecy has zero effect on your salvation.
Furthermore 1000 years = 1 days is not symbolism, its a quote from the Word itself in multiple places. Adam was told he would die the day he ate of the tree. Did he die the same day, or just short of 1000 year later?
So what does doctrine mean, and how is our belief in last days happenings not doctrine?
You would have to explained to me how eschatological views effect your salvation.
A persons understanding of a pre or post trib rapture has no bearing on a persons salvation.
Yo people don't understand, rather it be Gods wrath, or satan's wrath, WRATH IS WRATH and we are not appointed to it as the body of christ. The bible never says WHOS wrath, it simply says WE ARE NOT APPONITED TO WRATH. Lol all the post tribbers gunna flip when they're yanked up all the sudden rather they like it or not.
so basically, pick and choose your verses, take them out of context, and live as you please
I do not believe Jesus will come and take the church before tribulations. He saves us through tribulations not from tribulations.
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Isreal will endure to the end. The body of christ No!!! We will be raptured
You might as well stand on it, because the only way off this before the LAST DAY, is death.
Is 57:1The righteous perish, and no one takes it to heart; the devout are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil.
2 Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death.
John 6:43 Jesus answered and said to them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 "NO ONE CAN COME TO ME, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; AND I WILL RAISE HIM UP ON THE LAST DAY. 45 "It is written in the prophets, 'AND THEY SHALL ALL BE TAUGHT OF GOD.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.…
Now read John 6:39, 40, and 54 - they all say the exact same thing, nobody goes to Christ before the LAST DAY!
So you have heard it directly from God Himself when he came in the flesh to teach us His truth, as opposed to false teachers like this video.
One doesn't have to join one of the two camps-- Dispensation or Covenant-- to be one or the other--- Pre-Trib and Post-Trib.
It's possible that God can fulfill all of His promises to Israel, and also to the Church, in one end-time event.
Not one verse in the bible for pre trib rapture. The bible teaches consistently post trib pre millennialism. Just one example, Mark 13:24 "But in those days, AFTER the tribulation, the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give it's light, and the stars will be falling from heaven, and the powers that are in heaven will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And THEN He will send forth the angels, and will gather His elect from the four winds, from the farthest end of the earth to the farthest end of heaven.
People Have been learning the pre-tribulation rapture so long they get in denial When you show them this verse, Ive had a preacher Egnore me when i told him these things , he even looked kind of mad...i wass just tryna help, but ur rite about this,Amen Brother & God Bless
The gospel accounts of the return of Christ have nothing to do with the pre-tribulation rapture. Pre-tribulation is a revelation that Paul received and explains in the epistles. The return of Christ to the earth is at the end of the tribulation, but He is coming for His children before the 7 years of tribulation. Believers are with God, in heaven, during the tribulation. God punishes the "earth dwellers." (unbelievers) during the 7 year period. Seems to me that anyone desirous of the truth would hold judgment until they heard the entire series. What I find on TH-cam is too many people who think they "know it all." And those are actually the ones that are mostly "brain dead" and rarely read the bible because it is most often hidden under their playboy magazine.
Noe Gonzalez Look at Ephesians 1:13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.
The Holy Bible: English Standard Version (Wheaton: Standard Bible Society, 2001), Eph 1:13-14.
No, you cannot lose your salvation. When the King set His seal on something, not even the King could remove it. The Spirit in us is the guarantee of our salvation.
Noe Gonzalez To Be Saved You Must Believe , I can stop believing and lose salvation, but i wont and im not
Chaplain John 3_16 Sorry Yes You Can, Not By Works .But of faith
I know longer believe in the pre trib secret rapture theory !!!
revelation 7:14 shows that we come out of the tribulation. no pre-trib. rapture, stop the lies.
At the last trump, or at the end of the tribulation of those days, allso speaks of pre-trib being false
He is a wonderful teacher. :o)
I attended for many years a dispensational pre-millennial, pre-tribulation assembly taught us by a pastor who was mentored by Colonel RB Thieme Jr and Pastor Carl Stevens of The Bible Speaks ministry. For several decades, this man literally DRILLED the doctrine into us all. He gave us the theology. The ecclesiology, The eschatology, the angiology, the pneumatology the Christology, the soteriology etc. He drilled eternal security into us all. He labored over every word of every teaching service he gave us. As a result my joy went off the scale. Even my mind was healed of a sever psychiatric illness. Many in that assembly experienced similar phenomena. For that I was grateful. However the events of Sept 11, 2001 changed all that along with the slippery slope doctrine that this pastor later adopted. At first I like every one else believed the official narrative of Sept 11. A few years down the road I began to notice a few web sites and met a couple people that made me think that something was WRONG. The fall of building 7. The inability of the pilots to fly an airplane. The crisis actors planted in the streets. The explosions in the buildings. The free fall collapse. The disintegration of the steel beams. The acquisition of the buildings and the insurance by Larry Silverstein and his pull it comment. The plane shaped hole in the ground in Shanksville that was there in the USGS survey of 1991/2. The smell of cordite at the Pentagon. The appearance of the hijackers live at the hearings. The fact that only 3 high rise steel framed buildings ever collapsed due to fire in the history of mankind ALL ON SEPT 11 The dancing Israelites in the wake of the destruction. Then I began to wake up about what Israel really is. How it was founded. How they attacked the USS Liberty. Their part in the demolition of the buildings of 9-11. The Oklahoma city bombing. The assassination of JFK Then I began to figure out that secret societies run the world around us and can ignore the laws of the land. Though I do not believe Israel alone did it I believe they were the most heavily involved. All main stream Journalism is released out of a few sources and the control of what is seen and what is not is almost air tight. Then later you hear of the Rothschilds and how they acquired power and wealth along with 12 other Illuminati families. How they rule the banks. How they rule the governments of the world. What does all this have to do with the Bible? It turns out that John Nelson Darby had connections to the occult. Cyrus Scofield had connections to the Rothschild Family. He was a RASCAL who divorced and did not pay alimony to his wives whom he abandoned. Samuel Untermeyer was Scofield's attorney to get him out of his obligation to his ex's. The guy was a scumbag. He was the one that popularized the pre trib pre mill doctrine. Oh I suppose you can argue that a scumbag like Baalam was given a whole paragraph of the Old Testament on which to prophesy about the Messiah. Maybe it also can be argued that the doctrine was around in the early church as one writer wrote a critique of it as a false doctrine. But these scumbags who resurrected it and popularized it seems to me to be a rotten foundation for so great a doctrine. Later the pastor teacher who gave me such joy later destroyed the doctrine and renounced it FOR A PARTIAL PRETERIST view of scripture. CYrus Scofield sure would fail the qualifications for becoming a spiritual leader in any modern Church today. The Bible would call this man WORSE THAN AN INFIDEL. Later the man who taught me doctrine plainly apostatized from the fundamentals. He first began to teach that the unbelieving would simply be annihilated. Then later he taught that all men would be saved post mortem. He became a Trinitarian Universalist. I left that assembly at this point for it was too much to bear and my spirit was grieved beyond measure.
A couple of other things to add to Pre-Trib rapture. I can't find any writings of that belief prior to the 1800s. Pre-trib appears to come from a women who was rumored to be in the occult, Margaret MacDonald. Her visions were then preached by her pastor Edward Irving and spread throughout Scotland. John Darby caught wind of this teaching and later popularized it. This is a simplification of the subject, but wanted to add the names for people who would want to look into the matter.
"IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS shall the sun be darkened and the moon shall not give her light and the stars shall fall from Heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in Heaven: and then shall all of the tribes of the Earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory!" ... "And then He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of Heaven to the other."
THAT'S WHEN JESUS IS GOING TO COME: AFTER THE TRIBULATION! It says it as plain as day in that 29th verse. Immediately after the Tribulation of those days. It says after the Tribulation shall appear the sign of the Son of man in Heaven. After the Tribulation, then shall all the tribes of the Earth mourn. After the Tribulation they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. After the Tribulation He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet and they shall gather together His elect. That's when Jesus is going to come back for His elect, to rapture His Saints, to gather them together!
GOD BLESS
Angel Rojas You've quoted Matt. 24:29-31 if you follow every word in scripture, then were is the church mention in or connected to v29 Immediately after, if a prophecy deals with the church then the church must be included in the prophecy and in this one it is not, now when you quote v30 who do you think all of the TRIBES of the earth are? Only one group of people are given the title TRIBES and that's Israel and they will be in mourning at Christ return Revelations only describes general sinners as cursing God and unrepentant not mourning, so your interpretation is falsely including the church and falsely excluding Israel something God warns against in Rev. 22:18-19. Amen
Saint Al Before you do any arguing, you need to give the folk your proof pre-trib verse that has the rapture BEFORE the resurrection.
I will show you clear POST trib Bible verses. See if you can keep up.
Immediately AFTER the tribulation.
Now remember, Jesus does not contradict his own word.
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We shall not prevent them which are asleep, for the dead in Christ shall rise FIRST, then we which are ALIVE and remain shall be caught up....
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@herb: Ok so you first start with Matt. 24:29 IMMEDIATELY AFTER, as your proof of a post raptured church, you don't show how the church is connected so until you do you've provided scripture but no church, tell me would you be satisfied if I showed you a Pre tribulation verse without mentioning the church or indication thereof?
@herb: Jesus never contradict His word, but people like you can when for e scripture to say what you want it to say rather than what it says, I don't have to keep up with you because scripture wise you're not going anywhere , you place your own destination in jeopardy when you refuse to believe what God actually say. Amen
Saint Al, You could settle the whole issue right now by giving us the one pre-trib verse that has the rapture BEFORE the resurrection, like your verseless doctrine claims.
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But you never ever do, you simply opinionate over scriptures and listening to the opinions of men, instead of the clear words of the LORD.
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Immediately AFTER the tribulation
Behold, I am coming as a thief
John twelve :48
The problem is not the word ''dispensation'' but the degree this fine folks are taking it! For example...''Jesus dispensation was for the Jews only..we are under Pauls dispensation.'' So the warnings of Matt 24 don't apply to Christians? Really? Ok then what Jesus said and did ...everything was for the Jews. I guess that includes the cross? These folks are not christians, they are ''Paulians"' if thats a word. You get my point. In fact they say the tribulation, so called will be under the ''endure tell the end'' dispensation while they are under grace. They have taken dispensation to a place it was never intended to go. Thus the deeper they go the more silly and confusing it gets until they end up misinterpreting scripture to prove a non-biblical secrete rapture. Its these folks who have slipped into apostasy and are drunk on the wine (false doctrine) of Babylon!
Pre-trib is a lie. Read Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 and 2 Thessalonians 2 in the KJV Bible.
David K and in all of those it’s speaking of the time of Jacobs trouble. Has nothing to do with the body of Christ going into that time. There’s no resurrection of dead saints in those chapters. Learn right division and you’d understand why that time period is appointed for Israel heretic.
Demarus Where does the Bible say the time of Jacob’s trouble is the tribulation? You guys love to pick out obscure phrases from the Old Testament and make them mean whatever you want them to.
Demarus 2 Thessalonians 2:3 KJV
“Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;”
Any questions?
His fatal flaw is throwing away the old testament
Uh. Were not under the law. I'm under grace by faith in the blood, death and resurrection. If you wanna follow the law then go ahead and trust in your works. If you follow the law and Christs death. You're saying Christs blood isnt strong enough to save you. You have to be the co savior. Your spitting in the face of my Lord and savior saying he didnt do enough to save us. (Which he has done more than enough)
@@1Corinthians151-4 that's pretty cool you can murder with no consequences from God
Limiting the Lord is to say that he would make his people suffer the tribulations if I’m wrong then I’m ready any way
These poor guys are crazy...pauline mystery cult...mystery religion....stick with Elohim..ha'Kadosh Baruch hu
Jesus hand picked Paul and Peter endorsed his letters as scripture. If you reject Paul you reject Gods Word. He wrote half the NT through the Holy Spirit.
Jesus, "Hand Picked" Paul, yeah right, according to his Gospel,...and a Vision Paul claimed he had, how many kooks claim that very same thing nightly, after eating a spicy chalupa?...
In Rev. 20:4-5, John sees the souls of Saints who were BEHEADED for refusing the Mark of the Antichrist during the Great Tribulation. John writes that they will rise and reign with Christ for 1000 years and that this is the FIRST RESURRECTION!
If according to John, the beheaded rise in the FIRST resurrection and Paul said those who are alive and remain are not caught up until AFTER the dead in Christ are resurrected, then this means the catching up or rapture takes place AFTER tribulation!
Now compare the above with 1 CORINTHIANS 15:20-23:
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first-fruits of those who slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the first-fruits; AFTERWARDS THOSE WHO ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING.
Notice only one resurrection of the dead in Christ is mentioned here! Which, according to Paul in 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 must take place BEFORE we who are alive and remain are "caught up" with them!
When did Jesus say the dead in Christ would be resurrected?
John 6:39-40: Jesus said, "This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up ON THE LAST DAY.
John 6:44: Jesus said, "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up ON THE LAST DAY."
So if Jesus himself said the dead in Christ will be raised on the LAST DAY, and Paul said we who are alive and remain will not be caught up (raptured) until AFTER the dead are raised, then where does secret pre-trib rapture fit in?
1 Cor 15:52 - In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We are changed at the LAST TRUMP and where is this found?
In REVELATION, the LAST BOOK of the Bible there are 7 trumps and the 7th trump is the LAST ONE and is at the end of the tribulation
Per trib pastors teach this so you lose your faith in Christ when the false prophecy fails or you take the mark of the beast, not expecting it and worship the beast. either way they ignorantly or willing work for satan
Amen!
"the beheaded rise"... the beheaded, NOT all Christian martyrs. These people also had refused the Mark of the Beast. So only those who meet these two conditions are part of "the first resurrection". So not even the apostles would be part of this. Also, the 7th trump of Rev. is NOT the last trumpet. Rev. had not yet been given when Paul was alive, and there are "last" trumpets in scripture that have to do with breaking camp or with the Feast of Trumpets. Pay attention to scripture.
***** only a deceived pre tribber can find a last trump after the 7th trump of revelation
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What part of Rev. wasn't even given till after Paul died, are you not comprehending? Also, the trumpet Paul speaks of is of God and is a blessing, while the trumpets of Rev. are of angels and bring judgment. Aside from all that, if you really think I'm deceived, shouldn't you pray for me instead of mocking and judging me? Your attitude says it all.
***** You do realize that God deceives some people? People learn the pre trib rapture from study notes and pastors, not from studying the Bible alone. All who teach pre trib as 100% fact are going to be proven as false prophets.