Wilt did not agree that Michael Jordan was the Greatest
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Wilt Chamberlain did not agree Michael Jordan was the GOAT and says Michael was not even better than other players. - กีฬา
As soon as he said, "he doesn't say anything about them", I knew it was Bill Russell.
Russel was a role player who avg 14 pts on a 14 team league with no free agency on an OG super team
Russell avg 15 points a game in his career, and had 6-8 HOF teammates every single year. That’s like KD’s Warriors squad, plus Booker, Paul George, and Embiid. Teams didn’t have balance back then before 1980s, matter of fact, 80% of the players played right handed. And, playoffs had one round less and there weren’t many teams.
@@halfshot253They were not a superteam. Those guys formed together and grew together. It's not like today when you enter free agency and go anywhere you want.
But Michael is way more of a player than Russell or Wilt.
@Hinshu85 in the 1960s, realistically, MJ would have been a lesser version of Elgin baylor because Elgin was a creative basketball genius and while MJ brought to basketball wasn't creativity, MJ was stunning to watch but he copied the greats before him even copying and perfecting Wilts fadaway and Elgins moves....
The implication being as good as Elgin was and as good as MJ was he wasn't the player scoring and defensive wise as Wilt....
I don't care how fast an era was 'like' the 1960s when you average 50 plus and 23 rebounds and someone like Elgin cannot match you....thats an anomaly and shows just that MJ's a gifted basketball player and after Muhammad Ali a celebrity beyond compare, yet he didn't have Wilts gifts....
@@allistermcginlay6476 I’ll say it, Wilt was trash in the finals. He’s the reason why they lost so many of them, West had to drag them back in year after year. In Wilt’s 2 championships, he was only MVP in one of them. If anyone that is not in the top 10 of all time, it’s Wilt. I put KD and Dream over Wilt.
Wilt had that Joker waiting 😂😂😂
LoL 💯😂😅😂
...Big Joker
He knew it was coming because it is brought up a lot.
Walked em Right into It 😂😂😭
The joker is mike north
11 and he won as a coach, man nobody doing that🤣
Respect to Phil jackson, he has the reverse of Bill Russell with 2 rings as a player and 11 as a coach. But I doubt we'll ever see a player as prolific as Bill ever again
There were 8-9 teams in the league back then…
It’s not possible to even compare championships back then to the 80s-current. There were 8 HOFers on those Boston teams that won 11 titles, the talent distribution was terrible because there was no FA back then.
He won when tha league had 10 teams. Thats not impressive
@@VillanThaHero Keyboard warriors just get to yappin
@@VillanThaHerogrow up
Wilt a real Philly legend
And “THE BASKETBALL LEGEND, OF ALL LEGENDS”!!!!!!!
"He doesn't say nothing about them. Because he's got eleven.". That was awesome.
Facts though
I wonder what that guy said to Wilt after that devastating line. 😆
No disrespect to Bill Russell but he won most of his titles back when the NBA only had 8-14 teams.
@@JC13406 but that means the concentration of talent was highest back then too
@@JC13406Doesn't matter. The fact is he won 11 CHAMPIONSHIPS, and if I'm not mistaken eight of them were consecutively. You can't hold him responsible for the NBA having fewer teams in the league. Even Kareem Abdul Jabbar said that if Oscar Robinson (THE BIG "O") had played against Jordan he would have embarrassed him. Michael Jordan was in my opinion the greatest player of HIS era, but he is not the G.O.A.T. People here will disagree and call me crazy (AND I DON'T CARE) but I know better.
He doesn't say anything about it. Because he has 11. Clap Back 💪🏾💪🏾
Also keep in mind Michael Jordan never referred to himself as the greatest of all time either. It was a title bestowed upon him by the public. Even though Michael Jordan is one of my favorite players of all time I still would have to give that title to Bill Russell. I'd also say that the same respect hasn't been given to him from the public either. People would still put a lot of other players ahead of Bill Russell forgetting the fact that not only did he win championships as a player, did so also as a player/ coach.
@@itsashorething bird and magic both were the face of the league at some point and both are giving it to him just to show
His 11 rings still doesn’t make him nowhere near as good of player as Mike
@@ace4384 mj is simply the best mixed of talent individual performance and winning
I give mj the edge because he competed against more teams and players. Bill Russell was only playing against 14 teams back then. I'm not knocking his greatness, but it was different levels of competition
TBH, the older I get the more I realize how much of a team accomplishment a Championship is!!!
Agreed. The way people talk about MJ sometimes you'd think Scottie Pippen and Dennis Rodman etc were trash.
@@jaydaniels6172 Ron harper and tony Kukoc as well
Wisdom only comes by getting older 😢
I'm a Bulls fan, and you must admit, they had a solid team. Everyone contributed. Without the collective, honestly Jordan wouldn't have gotten 6...Pippen and the others were a great addition to the franchise...
@@user-nx4tn4jz1ialong with 3 point champion Steve Kerr
Watching last dance last episode after winning 6th title Jordan says "they can't win one till we quit" 🔥🐐 talk.
15 years and he only got 6 what happened the other nines times?
@austindavis7187 only 6 🤣 went 6 for 6 in the finals. Guy was so good he got bored and retired twice
Houston rockets disagree
@1990POE he retired in 93, they won 94 and 95 lol
@@dennynutt so jordan didn’t play in 1995? Go ahead and get the fatigue excuse ready.
No one can talk trash about Bill Russel. RIP Champ.
Bill was in a weak ass era where games were on tape delay
^Zoomer spotted
All they can say is he played against plumbers. Them plumbers would’ve whooped the shit outta anyone that talks shit about them, however.
@@Some_Dude_88 9/28/1963
@Some_Dude_88 nonsense there were how many teams in the league back then? Granted he was tall and athletic at the time but give me a break. And I'm old.
That Bill Russell line ended the convo if you want to bring chips into it
No it doesn’t! All those rings Bill has are because of Cousey and Havlicek. Bill was never the best player on those teams.
@victorpulgar2396 And all the championships that Jordan won was because of Scottie and Rodman or Kukoc or Grant, etc.
I never compare the best player by championships. It's ridiculous because its a team sport.
@@victorpulgar2396how can you say that? Russell was a 5x MVP! If that’s not the best player then what is? Why do you think the award was named after him?
Why would that be Wilts argument though? Regardless of how many bill has, you’ve only got two..
@choiceismine because that's his argument? People were saying he can't be considered the best because he only has 2 rings compared to Michaels then 4. Well, by using their own logic against them, if Michael having more rings is what was separating them, then Bill Russell should be considered better than them both because he won 11 rings.
Bill Russell was a great team player, playing with Hall of Famers.Wilt revolutionized basketball.They changed rules to stop him.Chamberlain was not liked by refs or the league He was too good.Russell was a perfect match for the Celtics.He was a defensive specialist.Chamberlain was a defensive great who score could 50 points and grab 25 rebounds at will.
I initially read that as "Hall of Farmers"
Jordan played with a lot of hall of famers as well. He didn't win it alone.
MJ played with one all star his whole career. Stop it.
Both are G.O.A.T S. ..AT THEIR OWN TIME....LET THAT BE IT ...ENUF SAID.💪🏾🖤💎
That ending😂 wasn’t expecting that.. damn near choked on my water😂
Bill Russell's 11 Championships came with only eight teams in the league. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@KINGAMIIAMKING you put bill squad against bulls mj not coming out the east
😭😭😭😭
@@KINGAMIIAMKINGSooooo what are you saying? Championships don't mean anything? Well thx for explaining why LEBRON is actually The Goat, because once you get past the bogus titles talking point, Lebron is clearly the best ever 😂
I knew he was talking about Bill Russell
A lot of Wilt’s records are so insane that may never be broken. It’s criminal how the conversation has changed to only Mike or Lebron.
Kobe could've broke it but Phil pulled him out the game to preserve Wilt record against Toronto
@@eyeamgod2734That's just bs. What are you even on about, Charlotte?
@QuestionEverything562 meant Toronto, not Charlotte! Kobe scored 81 points, and Phil pulled him out for the whole 4th quarter! I'll edit my comment!
@@eyeamgod2734 No. Phil Jackson didn't pull Kobe out for the whole 4th qtr you liar. Kobe subbed out in the last 2 min you casual Kobe stan. He played like 11 min of the 4th qtr. Stop lying for Kobe. Kobe never got close to Wilt's 100.
yeah except the league was full of plumbers and shit who had day jobs..
Wilt was spot-on! 👌🏿
🤡🤡🤡🤡
The “BASKETBALL LEGEND, OF ALL LEGENDS”!!!!!!!!
Wilt Chamberlain
Chamberlain dropped the mike on this dude!
You thought you did something
@@WickedHill😂😂
but Russel’s rings mostly at a time when there were only 8 teams in the league, and 99% of the league was white and was smaller than him.
@@GoldTop57what does being white have to do with anything?
That was more like dropping a hammer, lol! 😅 💪
Wilt pulled that line out like a Yu-Gi-Yoh card😭
Like mutha fuckin EXODIA!
Dude activated his trap card
Wilt would give MJ the business
Wilt couldn't keep up with the black cat ...Mj too smooth & to fast
@@tonykari5124wilt would obviously win 1 v 1. Let’s not get delusional now.
@@mikemarc92 Please stop saying stupid shit like that
@@miky9619wilt would baby that lil bald boy
@@miky9619you saying a 7 ft basketball player with more strength than shaq and more speed than nfl players, is losing to mj? Don’t forget his incredibly high vertical for a player over 7ft. Wilt is dunking on mj ten times and back😭
Mike looked cool as shit with the trench coat and beret.
The "pause" face Wilt made before he said, "he doesn't say anything about it"... was savage 😂 my goodness R.I.P.
Then Jordan grabbed 2 more championships than mentioned in thst interview, after Wilt made his statement…lol
Still not 11 championship hahaha @@gregorystanley4870
@@gregorystanley4870Impressive to MJ, Pippen and Bulls, but Russell and the Celtics won 11 chips. It's not even close and Wilt is not wrong at all. We all have the natural behavior to think the new is better, in the past things were easier...
@MrDanilloD2 man whatever Bill won when there was 11 teams with white players. No way he win 11 in MJ Era. Wilt was a hater
@@MrDanilloD2only 11 teams were in the nba when Russell won 11 chips and only 2 playoff rounds 😂😂😂
Wilt destroyed that man’s logic 😂😂😂
No lie Bill Russell
That's when they make it ALL ABOUT RINGS..but looking at all around numbers, competition, era...there is no damn way Bill is #1.. that's why the conversation will never go anywhere
Exactly. I think the logic is that will’s individual accomplishments put him in the conversation, but his limited team success takes him out of the number one slot. His rebuttal is that Bill Russell’s team success is unmatched so he should be the greatest player ever. The counter is he doesn’t have the individual success as MJ or Wilt. So The argument as MJ as the GOAT still holds; unless you want to combine Wilt’s individual dominance with Bill’s team success as your rebuttal. But then you get MJ. lol.
@@aliknight5514facts💯💯💯
@@truthbtold8697bruh what are you talking about?? He was player coach twice for those chips! LMAO how is he not in convo??? Think before you speak. It's a straw man argument not sound logic. Bill Russel always played the BIGGER person as a civil rights icon leading in integration. So he was always consoling Wilt's ego and supporting any great player in the league after him
I'm an MJ fan, but Bill Russell is the undisputed goat: 11 rings in 13 years. Nobody is gonna ever top that!
That’s because there’s never gonna be a NBA that only has 10 teams in it where black folks we’re barely allowed to play much less be in the NBA. The main reason people don’t consider Bill Russell the goat is because they have an understanding of the era He won those 11 in a row in. I mean think about it he was dominating and only averaged 14 points.
He played with Cousy, Havlicek, and Sam Jones. That’s basically an all star team in the 60s. Your logic means Robert Horry is one of the goats
Russell had 5 hall of fame teammates during a time with 8-12 teams. That’s like if the 2017 Warriors added Joel Embiid.
@@neo-soul7779 He played with Jerry West and Baylor on the lakers when he was old but in his prime he didn't have much help
He's the only one with a legitimate GOAT argument over Jordan. But Jordan is the better individual player while leading the 2nd greatest dynasty in NBA history. Don't think anyone would actually take Russell over Jordan in the same Era
No one had a bigger impact on the game than Michael Jordan. No one said I want to be like Bill or I want to be like Wilt
They changed the rules to help you score they changed the rules to stop me from scoring…… Wilt the Stilt to MJ 🎯🎯😭😭😂👏👏
FACTS 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
And Wilt never said what the rules were. But you folks run with the idea that trying to stop players from injuring other players is somehow only beneficial to Jordan. Do you know how dumb you AND Wilt sounded?
And with you believing one of Wilt's many tall tales, do you know Jordan's scoring average went down after the "rules to help him" were implemented? The evidence be right in front of y'all and y'all will just ignore it cuz of your emotions...😂
Means absolutely nothing, they changed the lane for George Mican too. Ever seen him play?
@@mpound97 Jordan got older and Phil wanted him to share the ball and trust his teammates more. But you do your homework on the rule changes for Jordan and to stop Wilt. Wilt was correct. Got nothing to do with emotions this is Wilts statement not mine.
Man I wish somebody had recorded that argument
Damn straight
Word
To be honest both men deserve that title
@@Sldumas1983accurate.
Boy that’s FACTS.
He ain’t drop no mic, he dropped himself out of the conversation 🤷🏾♂️😂😂😂
Championships are not the best gauge for who is the best. Because mj couldn’t have won those games by himself. They built a team that excelled his abilities. He was the best on his team and the bulls had the best team in that era. Mike is a great but i think the greatest should be off of personal stats and not whole team efforts. Wilt didn’t remove himself from the convo he removed how many championships a person won out of the convo.
He never said he was the best he just said MJ ain't the best
@@teenola5783The GOAT debate should include championships, and stats, not just one or the other. In the 60s, Russell won all the championships because he had a great team, and he was a great leader. Wilt had the best stats, because he was a physical specimen, and played individually. People on both sides will debate forever about which is better, leadership or individual performance. So it’s better to include both. In the 90s, Jordan won all the championships and had the best stats. The GOAT debate should be about who dominated their era the most, and that is undoubtedly Jordan. Wilt vs Russell, Bird vs Magic, Duncan vs Kobe, Lebron vs Steph. In all those eras, there is a case to be made for either player. There was no equal to Jordan in his era, and there is no one who had a legitimate argument over him during his time.
@@teenola5783Jordan never had the best supporting cast from top to bottom. You play the game to win. Wilt played on superteams and played with multiple HOFers. Jordan> Wilt not even a question
Amen
Wilt was real af 😂
When wilt say because he has 11 thats a punchline
Like Horry did, was there for the ride.
Horry was there for thr ride with different teams. However Mr. Bill Russell got all 11 rings with one team, the Boston Celtics.
Plus he was the Coach/Player for 2 of those championships 🤔
🎯🎯🎯
Regardless of era’s they all played different positions aside from wilt compare to bill the difference is the rings
Wilt " because he has 11 " Bill was his friend
Russell didn't like Wilt. Only became his friend to soften him up. It worked...
Bill wasn’t even better than wilt forget mj. He only is to Celtic fans. Robert horry has 7 does that mean he’s better than mj?
@@AD-ur1fkone is in 4 hall of fames the other 0
No. They hated each other.
@AD-ur1fk That's a terrible analogy. Horry was a role player. We are talking about all time greats. Hall of Famers
its a Team game. championships are only part of the equation. often people ignore how important the coach is in all of this
Wilt had a knack for making people look silly in arguments. One of the things people forget about Wilt, he was a really smart, well read guy
Bill Russell was like talk to me when you have 11 rings.😂
Lmfao it’s not just about the rings the bulls are the only team that 3 peated twice Michael Jordan highlights way better than Bill Russell’s stiff rebounding. His shoes are also legendary. Bill Russell doesn’t even have a pair of shoes.😂😂😂😂Foh🤡
#NupeTalk
@@budgonstopCANELO 11>6 asterisks
@@CreativeBigL so Bill Russell is the goat?🤣🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣foh🤡
Bill Russell be like - Google me Shaq
Wilt is the only player to play against a superteam 10 times
Jerry West
Yes but he went to a superteam, and still didnt win.His inability to hit free throws cost his team wins.And i dont mean about one or 2 or 3 free throws.I mean under 40% for a series.Jerry west was the one who went against superteam all the time and he was the one who played as a superteam to win but injuries and not enough help cost him more championships.Jerry West is the best from that era.
Thank You
@juventinos81
Wilt is the best ever!!
You don't know what you're talking about
And Elgin Baylor and West. Both put up 40 ppg efforts against the Celtics and lost. Celtics was beyond super team imo
Wilt and Russell truly played in an Era where most players had to have another job to make ends meet, Coal miners, Milkman, and pipe fitters
What an eloquent man
The mic drop at the end tho🎤💥🤯…😂😂😂
💯
I love how he said “about Michaels 4 championships?” Lol MJ went on to win 2 more in a row for another 3 peat.
But he didn't win 11...
@@tomspencer4371 but is it 11 rings?? 😂
@@stevenbooker7201you didn’t see the picture with him wearing all eleven of his rings on both hands? The picture is iconic!
RIP Bill Russell ❤ Love em all MJ Wilt Chamberlain ❤ Respect
My friends are 7 foot tall, but theyre freaking sticks. Makes you appreciate Wilt.
Micheal Jordan was poetic with the game! The Man was literally Poetry in Motion!
Bill Russell had 11 championships!!!!!!!!!!! The Celtics won championships in 57 and 59 you know why they didn't win in 58 because Bill Russell was out with an injury that should tell you that he was a big share of those championships and that they couldn't do it without him. Also his last two championships he was the coach and a player! I don't know all of them be a history but I want to think he's probably the only one to do that😊 let's just all agree that there's several goats on the mountain😂
Bill is above them, both in my opinion.
He was great but there were only like 8 total teams in the NBA
Great point about their being multiple goats. There are more teams now than in Jordans era..does that argument work for Lebron?😂
@michaelcampbell860 more teams more watered down talent, 8 team NBA and 6 team NHL was like only 100 players total in each of those leagues at the time!
@@michaelcampbell860less teams means more talent genius smh. Statistically its impossible for more teams to not lead to bums playing pro. Less teams less roster spots means only best alive make these teams. No bums allowed
Big deflect at the end 😂😂😂
Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball MARKETER that ever lived. Yes, he’s a great player, but his true gifts lay in MARKETING the BRAND of basketball.
You hit the nail on the head!
His GAME was the marketing you dope. You think if he was trash he'd get all those endorsements? Go be a casual somewhere else cuz you have no clue about this.
@@surfrunnerd8457He hit nothing. You and him are clueless...😂
@@mpound97 guess you forgot about the league hype, air Jordans and so on. A desperate NBA. Playoff games televised 11:30 at night on tape delay due to poor prime time ratings. MJ latched onto as the Savior. Maybe you're too young to know all the history. That's ok. Each generation has their heroes. And people only know the history they are exposed to.
Wilt lost to 10 HOFs every year. Dude was averaging 40 21 4, 6, and 8.
People will still say Michael Jordan is better because the nba has hypnotized his fans
Wilt & Philadelphia 76 beat bill Russell & Boston Celtics, 1967, Willis Reed & NY knick never beat bill Russell & Boston Celtics 1969
That's what friends are for😊
😂 Right!
Jordan never let down the hype, he only upheld it. Sneakers commercials, Wheaties boxes etc. never affected his game. Most celebrities getting endorsements outside of their craft drop the ball on their performance. Jordan only got better. Jordan earned the hype
Man if these greats could be young at the same time
The rest of the story: Wilt and Jordan got into it a little. Wilt reminded Jordan of recent rule changes which benefited Jordan. Wilt said something to the effect of “just remember they changed the rules to make it easier on you but they changed the rules to make it harder on me.” Wilt got up and walked away.
I can’t say it changed Jordan’s mind entirely but it seemed to give him a respect for Wilt that he didn’t have before.
Sounds like an excuse. He 7 ft just dunking after missing free throws, like they had to change the rules, he wasn’t skilled just physically bigger than most.
Watch the tape he had a lot of skill
@@juansanders-ck1olLol..LOL... Look at who made the bank shot popular
I think DJ is the greatest of all because he actually changed the game of basketball and made it exciting 🔥and yes I watch him, wilt, and Russel play 🔥
@@thekingofshine6900 if you are referring to Dr J as DJ, then I can somewhat agree. The Doc saved professional basketball according to many. He brought in new fans but Jordan did the same later as far as bringing in new fans.
To me Wilt was probably the all time greatest athlete to walk the planet, however he worried too much about his critics which kept him from focusing on beating Russel and the Celtics.
That divided focus had him score 100 points in a game and lead the league in assists as a center but fail to win the championship.
By the way, as a kid I had the iconic Dr J poster in the white Sixers uniform, number 6, full Afro, sailing through the air with the ball in hand, his arm raised to slam dunk it. Wish I still had that poster.
Bill Russell coached and played, leading his team like no other player had/has done! For Wilt to toot Bill's horn is true friendship! G.O.A.T.!!!
Larry Bird also did
There were like 12 teams in the NBA aeound that time and most of the best ballers were in the ABA.
Yeah but Bill coached and played at the same time and still won a chip
And remember he did it while racism tension was super high. Not being able to room in hotels etc.... thats mentally taxing
@@frankrizzo5155true those conversations are useless if you ask me because the times are all different Bill Micheal Lebron or
Kobe (R.i.P)except maybe lebron and Kobe(R.i.P) it’s all different times and challenges
Dammmmmit boi 😂😂 that last comment by Wilt literary made me speechless
Respect to Will, Russell & all legends. But in the end of the day. MJ was just from another planet especially in such a short career comparing him against LBJ, Malone or others that played over two decades. MJ is the 🐐.
Wilt only played 14 years it took players 20+ years to bet his scoring title as well as his rebounding blocks
Wilt is absolutely right it’s a team game stop using titles as the only measuring stick
THANK YOU!!
You don’t have to use titles as a measuring stick for Jordan’s greatness.
People do it more than they have too. The eye test is first. The stats and other accolades “ offensively and defensively back it all up.
Only casuals use titles in that sense. It seems too many of you are paying them too much attention. You should put the phone down...
It’s a team game that requires great players to win. Stop pretending. Lol
@@mpound97 Are you dumb? People literally claim MJ was the greatest solely based on his championships, it's clearly not us who say it doesn't matter as much, who are obsessed with it😂
Man what a comeback by Wilt 😂 well played sir . Well played . R..i.p Wlit 👐
I met Bill Russell while working at a Kirkland car dealer in the mid nineties. A truely humble man from the drivers seat placed in normal rear seats I was stunned to see "knees" driving the Bronco
All of them were great players! Much respect for all❤️
Wilt’s got a point- if the only metric for the GOAT is championships then there’s an unequivocal winner
There were 8-10 teams when Russell played, cut it out
@@s0Lstar18 whats your point?
Less teams means what exactly?
Less competition?
No.
It means there were fewer spots for players.
So the players on those teams had to be at a higher level to get a spot.
It’s a statistical reality that if you expand the league, it becomes watered down.
That’s the unequivocal reality of basic statistics.
Its a function of having to accept lower caliber players to fill out the roster when you expand the number of teams.
Follow?
If you pick the best 100 players to fill out a 10 man roster, what happens to the quality of player when you now have to take the top 300 players to fill 30 teams?
You think a guy like Steve Kerr or Paxson makes it on any one of those teams when Russell played?
No chance.
Watering down the league with more players doesn’t mean it’s more competitive, it just means you have a lot of bad teams and a lot of players that would’ve never made the league in the days of Russell and Wilt.
@@s0Lstar18beyond that, it was more a comment on the ever changing metrics to decide the goat.
6 championships is why Jordan gets the nod over Wilt.
But those same people will tell you 11 championships doesn’t mean Russell is better than Jordan.
Personally I don’t think championships is the end all be all.
Wilt had to play against one of the best teams in history that dominated during his tenure.
What if Jordan had to play against the Lakers or Celts at their peak? Or even the Rockets during Hakeem’s peak?
Guarantee you he doesn’t get 6 rings.
So championships has a lot to do with luck and timing.
Wilt gets knocked for the sole reason of having to play during the reign of the most dominant team in NBA history.
Jordan came in at a time when there were good solid teams. But the juggernauts of the Lakers and Celtics had past.
So he found a pocket of time where 3 peats were possible.
No possible way the Bulls are even repeating if they played in the era of the best Lakers and Celts teams.
Those guys were winners. And Jordan never got over on Bird.
So championships are relevant, but they also require a lot of context.
What’s more impressive, beating the Phoenix suns for a title or a prime Laker or Celtic team?
That’s the easiest question you’ll hear all year.
@@bry8636 Man teams didn’t even have black players on their rosters 😂 the pace and possessions were at their highest and Bill Russell played on a team with the most HOFS and shot 45% and averaged 18ppg as a Center. Was a he a great and impactful player in his era? Yes, but stop playing dumb the merger hadn’t even taken place, with more teams and talent dispersed, there’s more parody making it HARDER to win versus when there’s only two teams with all of the talent. Bird’s Celtics only won 3 in the modern era and has only won one since, because it’s harder to win with more teams. Why do you think there’s only been 2 teams to 3-peat since Russell’s Celtics? There’s only a few teams with multiple chips in the modern era. 80% of the Celtics chips come before the modern era, the Lakers Bulls and Warriors have more chips than the Celtics in the modern era.
Wilt’s numbers dip in the playoffs and finals. And for all the stat stuffing he did he’s 2-4. And the only rule that was instituted in the Jordan era was the flagrant rule which has helped keep superstars safer and MJ still played in a physical era with the rule implemented. Wilt, like you, are full of 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
@@bry8636 It’s not just the 6 chips, he’s has more 3-peats and repeats than Wilt, more scoring titles and the higher PER and PPG in the regular season, playoffs and finals. If they had finals MVPs he’d have more because he was the better more impactful player in the finals. So if the accolades and analytics all point to that then your opinion and hypotheticals mean jack shit. As a matter of fact, inserting a hypothetical of what if MJ played _____ is an L, because just like you can say he would’ve lost, I can say he would’ve won, you might think he doesn’t beat those Rockets (the Knicks he used spank took them to 7 games and would’ve won if not for Starks choking.) but there’s a BIG possibility he does win based on what he’s done in the finals. Your hypotheticals don’t go anywhere because we’ll never know. But determining what he did in his era compared to Wilt plainly says MJ was the better/greater player. 🥱
Damn that comeback was so cold you literally have to close your eyes to think. He won the mental battle.
How he was talking about someone other than himself lol great comeback
@jamesgish9202 The point he was making was Championships don’t make you the Goat. Championships are a team accomplishment. If you wanna make an argument for an individual player as the Goat then you have to look at individual stats. And statistically speaking, Wilt is The Goat hands down! 💯💯💯
It was a 11 teams and two playoff rounds and they played nothing but sorry AZZ white Boyz that era was easy and how many finals MVP Russell got I will wait foh MJ is the goat
@@Godson0771a goat stop other great players from getting rings and create styles to add to the game that these great players used till this day is what makes MJ the goat period
Got em!!
Jordan, Wilt is a big-time debate. That's real conversation 💯
That eleven chips clap was lethal😂😂😂 Goat move
Mj was undefeated..Russell lost
@@incogneto2834 11 vs. 6 make it make sense! So by your accord Brady is not better, that Terry Bradshaw, or Joe Montana! Because they were undefeated, however, Brady won 7 Super Bowls and Brady also went to 9 total! Some how sir respectfully, I disagree!! God bless you! 7 is better than 4! Just like 11 is better than 6! Oh and try this on for size! Bill always made the playoffs! Always! From day one! He coached and played in two championships! He was the head coach! Bill only played in 13 years! 11 out of the 13 he win championships, with two different set of players! All of which he made better. But like I said before he does not get his proper respect! Because his arch nemesis was Wilt Chamberlain! And if you think Wilt was not the most gifted player to ever step on a court! Then well please try and find as much film as you can and start with Wilt Chamberlain! Who was also a track star!!! Running a 4.4 at 7’1” my goodness!!! And Red, and Russell devised a way to get around the unbearable! That what makes a goat! Same with Tom Brady! That’s what goats do! Jordan is a goat too! He devised a way to beat Ewing!
Against plumbers and mechanics
@@user-ky8nd2rz4f like J.J. Reddick wouldn’t even make one of the old school squads. And those men had to work second jobs. Because one the NBA was seasonal, and they did not pay those men like the men get paid today to play basketball! Put some respect on the plumbers and mechanics! It is an honest days work! Further I respect any man that works for a living. Those men had love for the game! And that I respect!
@@georgeferrier9461I agree with. Just disgusting how NBA players today disrespect guys that paved the way for these modern day guys to make millions
Wilt does not get enough love for being one of the greatest of all time. Maybe because people often saw him as goliah and nobody sympathizes with Goliath. He was an amazing talker. In modern times with all the media exposure he would have been even more famous
Each was the best of the era they played in
Bill Russell 11 championship rings. As a player, as the only player/coach( played in the season games he also coached), as a full-time coach. Michael has six rings, never lost a championship, and has more points. Bill is a center, while Michael is a guard. Bill played in a league where stars were not protected by hard fouls. NBA introduced a (Michael Jordan) rule to protect their product. Meaning, don't hard foul the leagues darling...Every time Larry Bird and Michael Jordan met in the playoffs. Larry and Celtics stopped Jordan and the Bulls. Bill is the greatest NBA champion, Bird is the greatest NBA shooter/trash talker, and Jordan is the greatest NBA showman. There are many G.O.A.Ts. They're just different in their own special way.
The only player who could stop Wilt was Wilt himself.
Bill Russell beat him 8 times in the playoffs.
@@tombaird7902 Russell's teams won but that doesn't mean Russell was better than Wilt
Wilt really was on Mike's head over that goat crown😂
Sounds familiar huh?
@frequency2596 yea. Can't be mad at wilt, lebron or anybody else that feel like they were the best. It's all competition.
Mike never called himself the GOAT he said it was disrespectful to the players that came before and that you never got to play against that's humility
@RickyMoss not until after LeBron said it about himself. That's when he came out & said he was the Goat. I never compare those 2 bc I feel like they were both gr8 in their era's. I just appreciate them both
Wilt and Bill Russell are both on record calling themselves the goat. I don't rock with Bron but he's just following theirs and the media's lead.
Wilt pulling out the "Bill has 11 rings" card to defend himself being the greatest player of all time was a master chess move and insult to both players low key 😅
Mane it’s crazy to me how people tout championships for goat status like it’s not a team stat. Do you usually need a superstar (or two nowadays) to win a championship? Yes. But can that one superstar beat the other five nba level talent by themselves in a best of 7? No.
Bill Russel all day , every day !
Not just 11 rings. Coached and played simultaneously . Invented the alley oop . And so much more .
Not Bill all day every day. Bill was never the best player on those teams. He was carried by Cousey and Havlicek
I bet no one here watched Bill play
@@victorpulgar2396No he wasn’t the best offensive player on his team, that doesn’t mean he wasn’t the best player. The best player is the player who has the most impact . Which was Russell on Those Celtics for majority of their run.
How many teams was in the league when Russell played? I wait.
Sorry but bill don’t have the most rings anymore it’s Phil Jackson with 13
Yo that response from wilt legendary
Wilt Chamberlain is the GOAT
my goat list..1mj,2 wilt,3 kareem4 bill russel,5 magic,6 bird..
Because he has 11. HARD af.
Yeah. He averaged 11 pts a game too. 😂😂😂😂 RIP and all the respect.🙏🏿
11 w 9 hofrs more than anybody else, in a league that had 8 teams. Weak af
M. Jordan the greatest Shooting guard ever, and that’s what make him 1 of the goats🐧📮😎
I must say its hard to pick only 1 but Mike has a super strong case
That last part was clutch
Wilt Chamberlain is in a class by himself..... no one is close..... MJ.... please
100%.
Wilt didn't have that dog in him bud. I'm taking Jordan all day everyday. A player who actually rose up in the playoffs.
During his own day, with barely any competition, he barely won. And Bill Russell regularly neutralized him. Please.
So that means that Bron is FURTHER down the food chain 🤷🏽♂️
Wilt is great but mj is the best ever
When you pick up a basketball and play you are borrowing Wilt and Russell's game for a minute. They walked so Kareem, Magic, Bird and Jordan could run. There would not still be an NBA without them.
Your comment should be shared more. Big facts
So what does that mean? Admit they were better just because they came before? That’s dumb
@@dp-r.est.8995 take it easy, gramps forgot his medicine.
Someone did the overall Stats. of everything between Wilt, Bill Russell, Kareem, M.J., and others, and Michael Jordan is G.O.A.T. as of Right Now. He has it hands down!
Jordan came to him with respect, and Wilt was trying to bully Jordan. Jordan will never let anybody bully him. End of story.
Wilt Chamberlain had the single greatest game in
NBA History period. The only player to ever record a
Quintuple Double 52 pts
32Rbds 24 Blks 14asts 11 stls . This man also has the only 100pt game in NBA History a true record machine.
Was Wilt more about physical domination or basketball skills?
The entire league was 5'9"
Stop it 😂😂😂😂😂
And yet he only has 2 rings while playing with West n Baylor....Harden has stats!!!
Yeah, against a bunch of weekend warriors.
@@Bubby16dunking was no allowed which means that skills had to be attached. wilt was only one player and people think one great player should have championships like basketball isnt a team sport. a lot of wilt's PERSONAL records will never be broken. stop the hate campaign.
I never saw Wilt play. I’ve read some of his records and some grainy videos on YT. I really wish the sports media was more objective and fair. Wilt should be mentioned far more than he is.
Wilt is like Payton Manning. He had all the stats in the world yet didn't win as expected.
He’s not mentioned because he was playing against a bunch of 6 ft white guys. Take away his size and Wilt probably never goes pro.
Wilt and Bill wouldn’t dare play with Kobe or Lebron like that fr respectfully MJ will be looked at as one of them as the future goes on If Jordan didn’t have shoes we wouldn’t really talk about him like that
That last comment was Genius 🤣💯💯💯…… Got emmmm!!!
The NBA changes the rules to make it easier for Jordan, they changed the rules to make it harder for Wilt.
And barkley
Impossible to try and compare Barkley to Wilt!! Chuck had trouble with Elden Campbell 😂
@@EduardoGonzalez-se6vv chuck is so good with the back to the basket post up, that they made the 5 second rule when doing it
Pistons were whopping Jordan’s ass. What are we talking about here. Wilt played against nobody non Athletics
@@d.supreme8592 - Wilt played against:
Bill Russell
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Willis Reed
Artis Gilmore
Elmore Smith
Nate Thurmond
Bob McAdoo
Walt Bellamy
Bob Lanier
Wes Unseld
Elvin Hayes
And these are just some of the centers and power forwards. Think of the other great players like Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, etc.
It is a myth Wilt played vs nobodies. If you don't recognize most or all the names on my list you are simply ignorant of the history of the NBA.
Both were unstoppable
The problem with Jordan stans is they constantly move the needle or try to lessen other ppls legacies just to keep Mike on top. Raise your legend and find an argument that's based in some type of logic. Honestly Mike was amazing so I don't think I'm asking for to much.
Best believe Michael would’ve found a way to stop Will, because Michael was the assassin and what does assassin do they find their opponents weakness
There were 32+ teams during Jordan’s era. Before that there were only 12 teams. Huge difference
Stop moving the goal post 😅
@@AnthonyThomas-ez4jpmore teams makes it easier, not harder. It dilutes the talent pool.
And they change the rule in favor of jordan but still he cant beat larry legend...if your goat is jordan what makes larry bird that always beating him..prime jordan and injured larry bird...jordan lose..its not about score and flashy dunk its all about how u contribute to win...
Wilt is the only player in NBA history that they changed rules so he wouldn’t score as much… Wilt will never be repeated nor replicated ever again… He had over 100 records and still holds over 50 records solo to this day… talk about a non human beast…🙏🏻👍🏽
LOL Wembanyama about to make you eat your words, records are made to be broken.
There's the Charles Barkley rule too. I know he's not in the conversation, but the back to the basket rule exist because of him
John Stockton better
Kareem almost got dunking banned.
Folks simply don't understand that Wilt was already literally secretly playing basketball in the Pros when Wilt was still just a highschool teenager
LeBron 4 rings
Shaq 4 rings
Kobe 5 rings
Horry 7 rings
Larry bird only 3 nba championships ring
@@user-iv9er3nr6zhe talk about robert horry who plays in multiple teams as a role player and won chips
@@arcadesoldier1392 horry save everybody he played for 4th quater horry the best player in the world
"He doesn't say anything about them."
My mind was already screaming Bill Russell
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Totally different eras. There was the NBA and the ABA back then. The NBA only had 8 teams once upon a time.
Wilt saved, & made the NBA what it is now,
He didn't need a shoe, he owned the team
Bird and Magic saved it. Not Wilt
@@sammysam2615 " it's proof that Wilt had deals that MADE IT able for players such as Bird,Magic, Jordan, Shaq continue to HELP make the NBA what it is today..... hell Jordan Barely owns a team in this current era🤣
But you are right, Bird did save it also with the shoe deal, but once Jordan took flight ✈️ from that free throw line " WELL ALL wanted to be like Mike !
Bill Russell was da🐐 during his time,Wilt Chamberlain was da🐐 during his time, and Michael Jordan was is da 🐐 during his time bottom line. Respect to all 3 💪🏽.
Adding LeBron James is the GOAT at this time. Period. Give LBJ is due as well. Who will be the face of the NBA when he retires is the BIG question. The league is working on replacing LBJ, but with who!!!!
I think Ja Morant could be if he doesn't get his self together. Banchero gone fa sho be the next LBJ
I think not enough ppl put Wilt in the Goat convo but isn't Bill Russell CONSTANTLY giving him crazy work and having 11rings in that era the BEST CASE you could make for Wilt NOT being the GOAT😂😂😂🤔
You know why they don’t bring up Bill Russel in the goat debate?
He played alongside 12 players who are in the hall of fame.
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you could say that about bird too...but bird made them hof
And the league only had like 9 teams. Idk why that always gets overlooked.
You could also say jordan didnt win anything until jerry krause put together the best team in the nba. He didnt win anything when the odds were against him
MJ fan here , wilt is right and bill Russell should be no” 1 , keep watching the interview, wilt said the NBA players should give Michael Jordan 10% off there pay to MJ
If winning championships is the only thing that makes a basketball player the greatest, then Bill Russell is the GREATEST and Jordan cant even sit next to him.
No one can never touch bill Russel championship rings
Wilt’s nickname was The Big Dipper … double entendres for the constellation AND how many women he was bagging .. that man is the TRUTH
The amount of aura in that debate must of been insane two legendary titans clashing with words
Ending is cold