That is *exactly* what I'm like on DS, everything must be symmetrical, everything must fit the pattern. Those misaligned air units on his east flank that he didn't notice bugged me a lot more than they should have.
Whaaaaaaaaat? Raynor bio trash? Heresy! No, in seriousness, Raynor's bio is nowhere near as viable as it used to be, strong splash damage counters them pretty hard, but for the early-mid game they're a lot stronger than his mech. It takes large masses of baneling equivalents or colossi to counter them to the point of worthlessness. The trick with Raynor bio is knowing when you need to graduate into siege tank spam, since Raynor's siege tanks basically remove the normal weakness of said unit and deploy extremely fast, and they do pretty much the same thing to enemy waves as they're trying to do to your bio. Tanks are what I regard as "stacking units", that is to say units that will tend to survive until your ally's wave arrives and stack with them. One of the most effective ways to push forward is to stack firepower from multiple waves (or to simply soak some fire for your ally's wave), and it can get hopeless for the enemy if all three waves manage it. In general though, a good solid triple line of marine, marauder, firebat is not outrageously expensive and provides a good foundation to go into later game mech play. And it's a good way to ensure stable middle control for the early game, as there's almost nothing that counters it without heavy investment. Having said that, pure mech Raynor is more viable than ever now, and you had the right idea from the beginning, avoiding the noob trap that is vultures (they're fun as a meme unit, but are really quite ineffective) and straight teching into banshees. Your ally did not have the right idea, going more or less straight Hyperion, he was lucky his opponent was Kerrigan who has at best mediocre counters to air play. It's uncommon and refreshing to see banshees able to really do good work, but against something like mass hydra is where they can shine, against anything with anti-air splash they tend to just get wiped out in seconds no matter how many you build. But that scenario is where you go for battlecruisers instead, or switch to ground units. Looking forward to seeing you struggle with Swann, I hope for your sake you get a stupid opponent, Swann is frustration incarnate when you're against someone who knows how to shut him down.
Zagara is the best late game commander, hands down, no competition. She's the only one I regard as unbeatable, other than that Dehaka, Vorazun, Abathur are all really good too. Take a look under my comment in th-cam.com/video/yCe_UzEdP3k/w-d-xo.html, someone asked me what I consider the top 5 commanders to be and I laid out my opinion on it.
Vikings are extremely suboptimal vs Mirages because the first missile triggers the invulnerability, making the second one useless and cutting your damage in half. mass marines would've been an option. Lastly, some vultures wouldve been a good idea in the beginning
A bunch of marines would be good just for rapidly triggering invulnerability, but vikings remain Raynor's best option for killing them. They're anti-armoured units, so they're very sub-optimal, but the fact that they have splash damage means ultimately they'll be doing the best damage to groups anyway.
Vikings are better the more you add of them, its only early on that they lose to mirage. Once you reach the late game your vikings overpower everything in the air, as mirages dont scale like vikings do.
The Hyperion has been nerfed, instead of having 11 range it has 7 range, it's a sizable nerf as it means it's no longer staying in the backline and sticking around until your wave respawns by existing. but it's still worth every mineral as his bio is garbage.
Hpzerion is OP as hell, with Reynor ability you can afford him quite early if you spam supply drop five times. And most of the time, opponent has no counter ready or even available.
Hydra player should have invested in some tanky units with AA like queens, would have made the hydras more cost effective to have a meat shield in front of their dps.
Well, even though I think Alark still can be able to counter Raynor easily at the late game. Mass ascendants + stalkers will crush all banshees and Vikings while wraith walkers will deal with BCs and Hyperion. Also, Aalark himself is a great force to counter mass units.
@@jordantse2559 It depends on the commanders you face with. Against some commanders who do low dps on high armor unit like Vorazun, Stukov, Kerrigan, Dehaka or even Raynor himself, Hyperion is not hard to live or even stack until next wave. Once the Hyperion team push back, it's quiet hard to take back control of mid for the other team. I did this strategy like 50 games, n it works pretty well. The trick is save up Raynor's supply drop n let it stack 4 times, which means 800 minerals instantly. Rush to t3 and see which unit you should use to counter ur enemy(Siege tanks, bcs or banshee, 2 vultures early game probably for some massive ground spawns) If your opponents counter your wave heavily on early game, try not to leak too much(making good use of banshees, vultures and tanks because they can annoy your opponent ).Once supply drop counter stacks to 2, keep ur mineral level at least 300. If the counter stacks to 3, start saving up, you should have like 1250+ minerals when the counter reach 4. Use all the counter at once, quickly click Hyperion and place it because the minerals will decrease quickly(If bunker was broken it will be fine. I mean not a very big issue). After that just wait for pushing back.
@@davidhu9864 Vorazun has the easiest time because she has void rays, corsairs, and dark archons. You only need like 4/5 voids and the hyperion should be dead provided your teammates don't let the previous wave live Stukov has an easy time because he has diamondbacks to take down supporting vikings/banshees. Liberators and infested bunkers take down the Hyperion. Dehaka has absolutely no issues due to his mutas, creepers, and the devour ability. Dehaka has by far the best anti air in the game and no other commander comes even close. And if you choose Raynor or Kerrigan, that's a terrible decision because they're the two worst commanders in Direct Strike (alongside Karax). You're going to lose against pretty much anything.
@@davidhu9864 Basically, it comes down to this. If your opponent can kill your 2600 mineral unit with about 1600 minerals of units, which just about any commander can do, you're losing regardless of if your strategy works or not.
@@jordantse2559Nah, I don't agree. He may use 1600 to kill ur 2600 army and what you left to next wave are some backline or Hero units(like siege tanks, Hyperion). But please don't forget these units can deal more splash damage and their value will be increase once they are stacking(I mean keep them alive). So maybe ur wave are losing but if the remaining units can help your allies, to let your allies use 1400 to defeat 2800.That will compensate your wave losses. Also, Raynor has Vikings which deal great splash damage to corsairs and void rays. 4/5 void rays can't take down a 2600 hp with 6 armors Hyperion quickly(Don't even say corsairs, nearly deal no damage to it). While your void rays and corsairs are attacking Hyperion, Vikings will take down your air units quickly(Also don't forget Hyperion has Yamato cannon which can control it manually. That means I can warp jump and let ur void ray group together, Aoe yamato them, and your whole wave will be vanished). For dark archon, there are banshees and tanks to counter(and vultures maybe). Put tanks at the back, and when your Hyperion is alive, corsairs abilities wont able to blind them. Also Raynor gets free scan. So cloaked units, it's no problem.
"we're getting pushed back" he says as a second hyperion stacks and they destroy the enemy wave with almost no losses....is he looking at the same screen?
BattleCruiser and Hyperion early game... Haha, might as well Alt F4. Raynor is designed for Bio units but they gave him an op ship. Who thought that was fine?
@@RisenOswald Idk how mutas work in in direct strike, but mutas woulda been even worst. they're squishy, like the hydras, and a lot of their damage is in the bounce, which is basically neutralized by the hyperion/bc high armor.
Maybe it got nerfed but it's horrible now. For the cost, you're basically getting a big flying brick that doesn't do a lot of damage, and gets nuked down by things like Swann Drill (Seriously that thing can kill it so fast)
Miss aligns 1 guy to the left notices instantly, has a pack of misaligned ones on the right (driving me mad) throughout half the game- nop can't see that.................................................
heh, hydra against the hyperion is not really a good call, hydras aren't as good as many people think, the best counter to the hyperion and bc's the zerg has is corruptors with infestors
To any players watching this, please don't do this strategy! It's so easily countered by any commander with some sort of decent Anti air. Stukov, Zagara, Dehaka, Vorazun, Artanis, Swann, Abathur, and Nova. The commanders seen in this video (Kerrigan and Karax) have terrible anti air and don't have a way of dealing with this.
Although it should be noted that if you are facing a Kerrigan or a Karax, esspecially if none of the opposing team has good anti air, not just your counterpart, then its a great strategy. For obvious reasons. A straight rush isn't the best, but midway through the game works.
Damn youre bad. You had the opportunity to build firebats supported by tanks and then get the hyperion, yet you get BANSHEES? WHY?? You seem to make the worst choice of units every time I watch your SC2 videos. Firebats would murder BOTH zealots AND lings, and tanks would have been tremendous vs the hydras. Meanwhile you ADD banshees while you can CLEARLY SEE that they are getting MURDERED by BOTH the karax and kerrigan. WHY?
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"I'm banking on this match lasting another 10 minutes"
-*Checks the video time*
I hope to get another one till the next wave...
*OCD kicks in*
Why is someone out of order?
*misses the wave*
That is *exactly* what I'm like on DS, everything must be symmetrical, everything must fit the pattern. Those misaligned air units on his east flank that he didn't notice bugged me a lot more than they should have.
Yea, those misaligned units....
I was too late to comment this :(
Those 2 missaligned vikings on the right tho... :I
Blue ally : DAMN Jimmy, you’ve been holdin’ out o’me.
I read it in Tychus' voice Lmao
A small loan of a million minerals
oh my god this game looks amazing, i love the concept of you creating waves, this is going to be on my list
Incursus, i have a question...
Why is there a Battlecruiser, IF we don't have a Battleship or Cruiser?
Cause idk...
Because Blizzard doesn't know anything about how ship designations work.
maybe they became obsolete
@@Choppytehbear1337 or they jsut created their own
@@Choppytehbear1337 Which was evident since Warcraft 2. Blizz was all about the "rule of cool".
I think they do a have frigates. Wasn't The Valkyrie in Brood War was classified as a frigate?
This guys finally learned to use scan.
Whaaaaaaaaat? Raynor bio trash? Heresy! No, in seriousness, Raynor's bio is nowhere near as viable as it used to be, strong splash damage counters them pretty hard, but for the early-mid game they're a lot stronger than his mech. It takes large masses of baneling equivalents or colossi to counter them to the point of worthlessness. The trick with Raynor bio is knowing when you need to graduate into siege tank spam, since Raynor's siege tanks basically remove the normal weakness of said unit and deploy extremely fast, and they do pretty much the same thing to enemy waves as they're trying to do to your bio.
Tanks are what I regard as "stacking units", that is to say units that will tend to survive until your ally's wave arrives and stack with them. One of the most effective ways to push forward is to stack firepower from multiple waves (or to simply soak some fire for your ally's wave), and it can get hopeless for the enemy if all three waves manage it.
In general though, a good solid triple line of marine, marauder, firebat is not outrageously expensive and provides a good foundation to go into later game mech play. And it's a good way to ensure stable middle control for the early game, as there's almost nothing that counters it without heavy investment.
Having said that, pure mech Raynor is more viable than ever now, and you had the right idea from the beginning, avoiding the noob trap that is vultures (they're fun as a meme unit, but are really quite ineffective) and straight teching into banshees. Your ally did not have the right idea, going more or less straight Hyperion, he was lucky his opponent was Kerrigan who has at best mediocre counters to air play. It's uncommon and refreshing to see banshees able to really do good work, but against something like mass hydra is where they can shine, against anything with anti-air splash they tend to just get wiped out in seconds no matter how many you build. But that scenario is where you go for battlecruisers instead, or switch to ground units.
Looking forward to seeing you struggle with Swann, I hope for your sake you get a stupid opponent, Swann is frustration incarnate when you're against someone who knows how to shut him down.
DarkFenix2k5 Can i ask you which commanders are most terrify in late game? I like to play vorazon but usually loss when late game come . Thank.
Zagara is the best late game commander, hands down, no competition. She's the only one I regard as unbeatable, other than that Dehaka, Vorazun, Abathur are all really good too. Take a look under my comment in th-cam.com/video/yCe_UzEdP3k/w-d-xo.html, someone asked me what I consider the top 5 commanders to be and I laid out my opinion on it.
Vikings are extremely suboptimal vs Mirages because the first missile triggers the invulnerability, making the second one useless and cutting your damage in half. mass marines would've been an option. Lastly, some vultures wouldve been a good idea in the beginning
A bunch of marines would be good just for rapidly triggering invulnerability, but vikings remain Raynor's best option for killing them. They're anti-armoured units, so they're very sub-optimal, but the fact that they have splash damage means ultimately they'll be doing the best damage to groups anyway.
Vikings are better the more you add of them, its only early on that they lose to mirage. Once you reach the late game your vikings overpower everything in the air, as mirages dont scale like vikings do.
you not seeing the misalignment immediately triggered the fuck out of me xD
ITS 6:00 AM BUT I DONT CARE HI INCURSUS
Thats not even early
@@furrygoat2436 A few days ago I stayed up until 6:15 AM. Then proceded to wake up at 7:00 AM. It was an interesting day.
11:47... Gotga wake up at 3:30.......
*Flying Dakka*
Love your videos man everyday saving the day
The Hyperion has been nerfed, instead of having 11 range it has 7 range, it's a sizable nerf as it means it's no longer staying in the backline and sticking around until your wave respawns by existing. but it's still worth every mineral as his bio is garbage.
This is easily my favorite series, I'll always like!
There is something Zap Branigan ish in your voice ^^
I can't wait for you to play Nova (my favorite commander.)
Hpzerion is OP as hell, with Reynor ability you can afford him quite early if you spam supply drop five times. And most of the time, opponent has no counter ready or even available.
imagine the hyperion have the new BC buff to shoot while moving...
Is it Yamoto cannon or Yamato gun?
Thumbnail looks like a marine doing air splits
Nice!
nice vid before school starts!
why no siege tanks ?
Hydra player should have invested in some tanky units with AA like queens, would have made the hydras more cost effective to have a meat shield in front of their dps.
How do I get the extra commanders like Raynor for Direct Strike? Anyone know?
Well, even though I think Alark still can be able to counter Raynor easily at the late game. Mass ascendants + stalkers will crush all banshees and Vikings while wraith walkers will deal with BCs and Hyperion. Also, Aalark himself is a great force to counter mass units.
This whole strategy falls apart if the opponent isn't a fool and know how to counter it.
@@jordantse2559 It depends on the commanders you face with. Against some commanders who do low dps on high armor unit like Vorazun, Stukov, Kerrigan, Dehaka or even Raynor himself, Hyperion is not hard to live or even stack until next wave.
Once the Hyperion team push back, it's quiet hard to take back control of mid for the other team. I did this strategy like 50 games, n it works pretty well. The trick is save up Raynor's supply drop n let it stack 4 times, which means 800 minerals instantly. Rush to t3 and see which unit you should use to counter ur enemy(Siege tanks, bcs or banshee, 2 vultures early game probably for some massive ground spawns)
If your opponents counter your wave heavily on early game, try not to leak too much(making good use of banshees, vultures and tanks because they can annoy your opponent ).Once supply drop counter stacks to 2, keep ur mineral level at least 300. If the counter stacks to 3, start saving up, you should have like 1250+ minerals when the counter reach 4. Use all the counter at once, quickly click Hyperion and place it because the minerals will decrease quickly(If bunker was broken it will be fine. I mean not a very big issue). After that just wait for pushing back.
@@davidhu9864 Vorazun has the easiest time because she has void rays, corsairs, and dark archons. You only need like 4/5 voids and the hyperion should be dead provided your teammates don't let the previous wave live
Stukov has an easy time because he has diamondbacks to take down supporting vikings/banshees. Liberators and infested bunkers take down the Hyperion.
Dehaka has absolutely no issues due to his mutas, creepers, and the devour ability. Dehaka has by far the best anti air in the game and no other commander comes even close.
And if you choose Raynor or Kerrigan, that's a terrible decision because they're the two worst commanders in Direct Strike (alongside Karax). You're going to lose against pretty much anything.
@@davidhu9864 Basically, it comes down to this. If your opponent can kill your 2600 mineral unit with about 1600 minerals of units, which just about any commander can do, you're losing regardless of if your strategy works or not.
@@jordantse2559Nah, I don't agree. He may use 1600 to kill ur 2600 army and what you left to next wave are some backline or Hero units(like siege tanks, Hyperion). But please don't forget these units can deal more splash damage and their value will be increase once they are stacking(I mean keep them alive). So maybe ur wave are losing but if the remaining units can help your allies, to let your allies use 1400 to defeat 2800.That will compensate your wave losses.
Also, Raynor has Vikings which deal great splash damage to corsairs and void rays. 4/5 void rays can't take down a 2600 hp with 6 armors Hyperion quickly(Don't even say corsairs, nearly deal no damage to it). While your void rays and corsairs are attacking Hyperion, Vikings will take down your air units quickly(Also don't forget Hyperion has Yamato cannon which can control it manually. That means I can warp jump and let ur void ray group together, Aoe yamato them, and your whole wave will be vanished).
For dark archon, there are banshees and tanks to counter(and vultures maybe). Put tanks at the back, and when your Hyperion is alive, corsairs abilities wont able to blind them.
Also Raynor gets free scan. So cloaked units, it's no problem.
Well, does the BC have stim?
Because that would be quite imbalanced
Increase in move speed for 8 seconds. No effect on attack speed.
"we're getting pushed back" he says as a second hyperion stacks and they destroy the enemy wave with almost no losses....is he looking at the same screen?
He is bad at the game, its quite obvious.
Keep on making these vídeos
I would get a medic or two to heal the Hyperion a bit and give it the 25% damage reduction buff
He did.
how does the Raynor lone work?
You receive 200 minerals, but you stop generating minerals until you "pay" your debt
I’ll take an Incursus video even if it is half past 11
It's good when you play alot :D
You know what...I finally understand why they said that Raynor is broken now.
BattleCruiser and Hyperion early game... Haha, might as well Alt F4. Raynor is designed for Bio units but they gave him an op ship. Who thought that was fine?
hydralist is not the counter tho. muta spam would have been alot better.
@@RisenOswald not with splash damage vikings they sure as hell aint
@@RisenOswald Muta vs raynor would've been a pretty horrible decision.
@@RisenOswald Idk how mutas work in in direct strike, but mutas woulda been even worst. they're squishy, like the hydras, and a lot of their damage is in the bounce, which is basically neutralized by the hyperion/bc high armor.
Battlecruiser operational
Maybe it got nerfed but it's horrible now. For the cost, you're basically getting a big flying brick that doesn't do a lot of damage, and gets nuked down by things like Swann Drill (Seriously that thing can kill it so fast)
Acctually the hydras didn’t do so well, the hyperions hace so much armor so that the hydras do really little damage against them.
I still play the N64 version of this where terran is op as hell.
Lol when your ocd is REEL
SOMETHINGS NOT RIGHT... ITS NOT RIGHT!
After you do this series could you play with some friends
I was looking to be in the lobby for forts when there was none
I don't know about this mod but in normal game hydras are not really the counter for BC...
Anyone else think the thumb nail was a guy doing a split 😂😂😂
Miss aligns 1 guy to the left notices instantly, has a pack of misaligned ones on the right (driving me mad) throughout half the game- nop can't see that.................................................
Actually hydra kinda suck vs bc you need coruptor
i never start with duskwing against protoss.
high templars with feed backs will 1 shot them lol
You mainly get the dusk wings for the tempo, nothing else
seems like u can swich off autocast landing on vikings
Considering he did it several times in the video, yes, yes you can.
Yey!
You should have gotten multiple Hyperion
Wait.......
There is no way to pattern them so you can’t rrrreeeeeeeeeee
But still not a Dreadnought or a Battleship? >_>
(maybe a destroyer by 40k measures)
some BattleGLaDOS?
today was my first time playing this mod...enemy used Hyperion rush...i didn´t see the fun. '-'
heh, hydra against the hyperion is not really a good call, hydras aren't as good as many people think, the best counter to the hyperion and bc's the zerg has is corruptors with infestors
well only zagara has corruptors, and no commander has infestors, so it wasn't really an option
@@mgalds1427 i recommend going for queens then, they are also better than hydras to deal with bcs
@@MegaOgrady Just don't use the terrible commanders that don't have any good anti air (Karax, Kerrigan, Abathur, and Tychus)
You should play planetary annihilation
Tya games
Imagine being 6 hyperyons
Hey what it just me and anderson peng
Taaaaanks buy taaaanks
WHO CALLED IN THE FLEET?
God the Hyperion is shittttt. I wrecked it with a few Fenix scouts
Firebats can get up to 5 armour
Iirc they can actually get 6
@@zaxtonhong3958 the firebats don't start with the extra 1 armour like marauders they start with 0
To any players watching this, please don't do this strategy! It's so easily countered by any commander with some sort of decent Anti air. Stukov, Zagara, Dehaka, Vorazun, Artanis, Swann, Abathur, and Nova. The commanders seen in this video (Kerrigan and Karax) have terrible anti air and don't have a way of dealing with this.
Although it should be noted that if you are facing a Kerrigan or a Karax, esspecially if none of the opposing team has good anti air, not just your counterpart, then its a great strategy. For obvious reasons. A straight rush isn't the best, but midway through the game works.
I was first like
Am I special now?
No you're not
Damn youre bad. You had the opportunity to build firebats supported by tanks and then get the hyperion, yet you get BANSHEES? WHY?? You seem to make the worst choice of units every time I watch your SC2 videos. Firebats would murder BOTH zealots AND lings, and tanks would have been tremendous vs the hydras. Meanwhile you ADD banshees while you can CLEARLY SEE that they are getting MURDERED by BOTH the karax and kerrigan. WHY?
Second
This is horrible... Very bad plays... Have you noticed mules? MULES?
First
No you not
Peng is first
Chi Nguyen that makes me sad