CORRECTION: At 3m 30s it should read 'top of fibula, not 'top of femur'. FAKE KNEE BRACES? Beware of some EVS 'braces' (and other brands) that are just knee guards. th-cam.com/video/KRjnc1aFVVY/w-d-xo.html DISCLAIMER Do your own research. We make no warranties or representations regarding the content and suitability of this information for any purpose. Read our full disclaimer here: bit.ly/3JqGOp4 Our full knee brace video series: bit.ly/3sIoJfQ Our complete video playlist on protective gear: bit.ly/33hBHZd FURTHER READING Knee Injuries & Use of Prophylactic Knee Bracing pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21297006/ The incidence of motocross injuries: a 12-year investigation link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00167-004-0510-z Femur fracture associated with knee brace wear in the motocross athlete www.hindawi.com/journals/crior/2018/1498541/ Knee injuries and the use of prophylactic knee bracing in off-road motorcycling journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0363546510394431 Accident causes and prevention of injuries in Enduro-motorbike sport europepmc.org/article/med/1925924
@@danielpineda3656 Sorry only just seen this now, Daniel. Never tried them so can't comment. I'd google around for lots of rider reports. Maybe focus on that more instead of actual 'reviews' which are often just paid content or influencers etc.
Thanks for the follow up vid. I was really happy with the Mobius fit, and the guys at the shop were too. I went for it because of the excellent fitment, not necessarily because it was good value.
Love all the videos guys. Just bought myself a set of the new Leatt C Frame Pro Carbons. They felt like they fit my leg much better than the Pods. Buy what fits your shape.
I purchased Mobius braces before this video came out. I find them comfortable and when first fitted, they seem to support well. However, after about an hour into ride, the Velcro straps come undone and then obviously they aren't supporting my knees correctly any longer. I've sent a message to Mobius and they're very interested in helping improve the product. They're sending out some modified straps to report back on. This kind of product support is important to me. 👍
sounds good dangermouse! i suspect most manufacturers are good with aftersales support in the first year or so, you just have to hope they stay that way in the following years.... :)
I use the Astrisk Cyto cells however I think the most important thing is correct fitting, everyone's legs are different so make sure you try them on! if buying online ask for returns policy. The Mobis ones have good coverage but tend to snag the riding pants in the hinge cap and the wires break.
I just had knee arthroscopy done to get rid of some loose bodies removed due to damaged cartilage. My surgeon also informed that my ACL is damaged too. Don't know how I caused either of these as I don't play contact sport and only got into dirt bike riding after having knee problems. Factory defect as my GP called it. Will definitely speak to my health insurer and see if they'll cover the cost of braces. I'll need them once I've fully recovered.
I ride the mobius braces for more than a year now. I had the "locking up" problem in the beginning which was caused by my pant slipping between the middle and upper Part of the brace while sitting on the bike. My pants were relatively cheap and then i bought a fox 360 combo. This pant is working great with the brace, since then i had no mayor problems. But the metal wire broke on one side so i had to buy a repair kit (50$) and repair it (by myself), but it was relatively easy
on mine the cup just started popping out and i couldn't see any way of fixing it. it was on the third ride so i just took them back then decided to go all out with the custom braces instead. glad yours was an easy fix!
After watching this video a couple years ago I've bought an Leatt c-frame knee brace. It was really uncomfortable but I wasn't riding without them anyway, then I crashed on a rock garden of super enduro track and that crash broke my knee brace (there were two steel cables on its hinges one of them was broken and also knee cap protector was broken). I've decided to buy a new one and I've bought an x frame since I felt more comfortable. When the first time I was riding with them I couldn't see a small wet log sitting with cross angle to my front tire. I've crashed again and this time I've heard a pop sound on my knee and it really hurt. After examination and MRI my ACL was completely torn sadly. I've crashed many times with c frame and most of them were way worse than this one but I can't be sure if it's happened because of x frames are not great braces or something extraordinary happened. Maybe the brace have done its job as much as it could (my meniscus looks ok on MRI for instance and other ligaments are ok too.) but I would highly suggest to get custom knee brace if you can before any injury happen. Because there is no perfect way to reconstruct your ACL and it's one of the worse injuries.
It's very hard to know how will a knee brace has worked because of course they don't always prevent injuries. injuries from hyper-extension can be reduced significantly but other types the braces aren't so effective. But we do know that a good quality knee brace that fits your knee correctly will be the best protection usually.
@@crosstrainingenduro what's the point then? All of my injuries have been from twisting. I tried the X-frame and it hurt a ton, while barely moving. I think because of a fibular head
1:29 : "... you freak" oh man you had me in stitches, luckily I wear my full set of protective gear when I watch your latest upload, so I don't hurt myself rolling off the chair It's after midnight here in Belgium, but it's worth the wait - bloomin antipods...
I've been researching neck braces and there certainly is not a lot of information about their viability. Leatt has done some testing. But they're testing their own stuff, so...
Fantastic video. I'm currently on month 2 of my ACL reconstruction recovery, so all of your knee related videos are super relevant. While it's definitely a few months until I'm back on the bike, I'm planning to talk to my Ortho about CTI customs when I see him next week. I have a feeling he might also recommend the Donjoy custom brace, which doesn't seem to be too popular in the riding community - any thoughts on those?
Hoverboard is lurking I have the flux capacitor mod on my bike. When I hit 88mph (and don't wreck) I get to see Cross Training videos before they come out
I am actually awaiting the arrival of a set of Mobius X8's. An ankle injury late last year has prompted me to seek better protection, resulting in the recent purchase of Sidi Crossfire 2's and then the Mobius. My uber thick, short fat legs have always been a problem for fitment of boots (calves...) and proper knee braces (thighs...). Inspired by the discovery that the Sidi's adjust to fit my gorilla calves, I started looking for large and adjustable knee braces. According to the fitting measurements listed for the Mobius, they should fit my thunder thighs well enough. But we'll see. The issue isn't just the circumference of my thigh at a certain point above the knee cap. It's also the shape of said thighs. But I'm hopeful. Frankly, without having the coin to spend on a set of custom made braces, I've made do with less than adequate braces. But again, inspired by your earlier video on knee braces, I figured a less than perfect fit is better than the braces I'd been using. Thank you Mr. Morris for yet again another excellent video.
mobius have those different sized pads to adjust the fit which is very handy too, something you usually only see in the top shelf stuff like CTi braces. fingers crossed they fit you well. :)
from trials ''how to'' to enduro.. still loving it.. Knee braces.. i run the Mobius X8.. not the most expensive ones on the block, but also not the cheapest. The only downsize i have on those is that when i strap on the brace cable thingy with a streched or bend knee.. during riding my musscles pump up.. and it can get a tad uncomfortable... so i have to run it ''loose'' and i have no idea if that compromises it in any way
they definitely lose their effectiveness fast when you loosen them off, unfortunately. have you tried other braces to see if you get the same issue? it could be due a poor fit for your legs....
the toughest bit for some is finding a store that stocks them so you can check the fit, joe. i guess otherwise you just have to make sure you can mail them back if they don't fit. :(
Yep, that's totally true. I had to make trips to Brisbane and Gold Coast and call ahead to make sure they had stock so that I wasn't wasting my time. Sunshine Coast had VERY limited stock!
What braces did you end up with Joe? I've been meaning to ask you. Unfortunately here in Alaska, nobody stocks braces. So we have no choice but to take the risk. I've got some Mobius X8's on the way, and after all I've watched and read, I think I'll be ok with them. But we'll see. With my odd body shape, the only ideal option is custom fit. And I do not have the money for that...
JoeJoe Moto The CTi's aren't just too expensive, they won't fit my oddly shaped tree stump legs. The Mobius are the only ones that, according to their fitment charts, will fit my legs. Barry's experience with them concerns me though! I was also concerned about the lack of airflow... So we'll see. I should get them in a few days (free shipping from New York = slow boat!). Yeah, the CTi's are great braces, and I do wish I had more options...
Ive just picked up a gasgas ec300 its a 2008 and its got the clake 2 fitted to it and it works but its a little iffy and the clutch needs some work i think the plates are worn and it makes this screeching sounds every now and then when inlet out the clutch
I have just replaced my broken Z-frames with Mobius X8. The Leatt ones were really cheap, but still meet the minimum criteria for the price. They did protect my legs, and they broke on impact. The new V22 version seems reinforced in the area that mine broke, so it should help matters. Other than that, the fit is somewhat sloppy, the Velcro straps have a tendency to loosen up, the hinged lid catches on pants and the rear strap rubs on the inside of the leg when moving from sitting to standing and vice versa. You get what you pay for. I am glad i bought them and not just knee guards, but there's a clear improvement in quality when moving to the Mobiuses. No idea how the X-frame holds up, but my friend has the C-frame and is happy with them, so maybe it's just the budget model that's meh.
I really want knee braces but I just don't have the money right now because I'm in college. However, I do work during the summer and that would be the best time to save up and buy knee braces, but for the time being should I get really nice knee guards or should I just wait and save my money to get the top of the line knee braces?
Tanks for this good information. I think I will spend some money to upgrade on this topic. I guess we all focus on what we had coming, have you any good advise on Shoulder impact protection? I cant find any that transfer forces to the body to reduce risk of tearing the ligaments on AC and CC joints on the collarbone. Most of the protection leaves you withiut a scratch but still dont protect these joints since they have to take all forces landing on the shoulder.
Really great informational vids your putting out, thank you. This particular vid just reminded me to get my ass in gear and get some long overdue preemptive CTI knee braces. To address Peters shoulder protection query (short story) Last year riding the back roads of South Africa on a BMW GS I was wearing my Dainese mesh body armor and took a weird spill in the bush, broke a few ribs and such. This event lead me to find these guys in France that make RXR Protect MX. Check these guys out I have two products from them the shoulder protection is worn below the outer rib & chest protector an awesome piece of kit
sumporfuk, Thx for the link it looks more like what I have in mind. Most shoulder protection I have seen doesn't transfer the impact energy to the body / ribcage and therefore the collarbone and AC joint has to cope with the impact.
is there any good bike that suits both enduro and a little bit of motocross? but mostly enduro. I'm thinking of a exc 300. Thankful for recommendations
I bought the pods about three months ago, I insisted to the girl who fitted them I was a large being a towering six-four, she put me in my place and said no, I'm a medium but with these in my riding pants I'll look like a 2XL. Women are so much better salespersons... I tore my MCL last year and the type of twist that caused it won't be protected by braces, but almost everyone I know who rides has had some form of knee injury and the most horrifying are the ones that involve hyperextension. These bits of kit are a smart move more of us should have them.
It's about risk minimisation I think, I know I'm going to come off and here it's mostly loose or not loose rocks, there's no avoiding some pain. I watched some Finnish EnduroGP vids last night, suddenly I feel a lot safer riding where I do, those guys are gods.
It just means don't have two layers under the braces. E.g. if you wear compression pants, don't add knee brace 'socks' as well. That's what we were advised by the CTi specialist.
@@crosstrainingenduro ahh, got it. That makes sense that they don't want to create a low friction slip plane between the brace and your knee. Thanks for replying so fast to an old video!
poor bugger, hope he's not off the bike for too many months... :( to play devil' advocate though, usually a knee brace won't prevent bone fractures but will just protect the knee joint more when it happens. and of course some argue braces can cause femur fractures but the current research doesn't support that theory.
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS i’ve broken my left femur. Much better to do this than do damage to knee/ligaments. Worked hard in the gym, back to work (tradesmen) after 3.5 months. Full recovery, only slight muscle weakness. I bet anyone with knee injuries will have continued problems for many many years
wow, those custom braces are more money than my entire setup. pretty sure i'll be springing for real boots before i drop 600usd on braces though as my skill and type of riding would probably put you all to sleep.
crazy amount of money but i figured at my age, and with previous injuries and the amount i ride, it was a good investment. if i'm off the bike for six months with a knee injury that's pretty much the end of the youtube channel.
oh I completely understand, I can't do 10% of what you guys do on this channel. essentially what eveRide does but with trees and no camera. "adventure Riding" when I get more practice I'll start working on the crazy log jumps and hill climbs
I am not getting on any soap box or high horse but I'll simply say that accidents can happen at any level and at any time to anyone, that's why we (I) wear all of my kit all the time
CTI is sick expensive and doesn’t have a boot strap as Asterisk. They offer a nice fit but most of injuries comes from ankle twist to knee. It happened to me and that boot strap does make sense, Asterisk carbon is a way to go. I would buy CTI but only if they include a boot strap. Change my mind.
Do you have any hard evidence that most injuries are ankle twists, Rafal? We dug deep into the research a few years back and found nothing like that at all.
@@crosstrainingenduro I meant that if your foot is twisted at ankle level then your knee will be twisted not an ankle as that motion is transferred by your boot to the knee. The knee wasn’t designed for twisting but for bending that’s why extra strap from braces to your boot will help a lot. Every single knee ingury is by twisting not by impact etc. You can still be injured by having braces on if you don’t have that additional strap to your boot.
What research are you quoting, Rafal... when you say "Every single knee ingury is by twisting not by impact" and "most of injuries comes from ankle twist to knee"? I did a video which looked into all the available research and didn't find anything that says twisting causes most or all injuries. If you have some evidence I'd love to see it as I want to keep that video up to date as much as possible.
@@crosstrainingenduro it’s my personal experience 2nd surgery, friends and enduro community. Also I been told by my surgeon that with that strap to the boot I wouldn’t be hurt as that strap is stronger than ligaments and holding your knee in a position and prevents any rotation for your knee.
@@crosstrainingenduroyou stated in the actual video that knee braces don’t do well to protect against twisting forces through the lower leg. The Asterix strap is designed to help with this.
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS ah gotcha. hey I haven't seen any videos on boots, I've always worn leather work boots riding but don't know what to get for Enduro
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS I'm dumber than a wallaby for Christ's sake. thanks for the link and exposing my brainpower. while you're here I'll tell you I'm getting my money's worth of my chain and sprocket. my drive sprocket is definitely worse than the "getting your money's worth" one you showed and my chain is sagging on its max stretch
lots of guys don't check the fit then sell their unused ones, you can pick up a bargain sometimes.... also leatt are on special at the moment, i think around US$300. kinda close....
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CORRECTION: At 3m 30s it should read 'top of fibula, not 'top of femur'.
FAKE KNEE BRACES? Beware of some EVS 'braces' (and other brands) that are just knee guards. th-cam.com/video/KRjnc1aFVVY/w-d-xo.html
DISCLAIMER Do your own research. We make no warranties or representations regarding the content and suitability of this information for any purpose. Read our full disclaimer here: bit.ly/3JqGOp4
Our full knee brace video series: bit.ly/3sIoJfQ
Our complete video playlist on protective gear: bit.ly/33hBHZd
FURTHER READING
Knee Injuries & Use of Prophylactic Knee Bracing pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21297006/
The incidence of motocross injuries: a 12-year investigation link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00167-004-0510-z
Femur fracture associated with knee brace wear in the motocross athlete www.hindawi.com/journals/crior/2018/1498541/
Knee injuries and the use of prophylactic knee bracing in off-road motorcycling journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0363546510394431
Accident causes and prevention of injuries in Enduro-motorbike sport europepmc.org/article/med/1925924
Thank you for the video!! What do you think about the pod's k8?
@@danielpineda3656 Sorry only just seen this now, Daniel. Never tried them so can't comment. I'd google around for lots of rider reports. Maybe focus on that more instead of actual 'reviews' which are often just paid content or influencers etc.
Thanks for the follow up vid. I was really happy with the Mobius fit, and the guys at the shop were too. I went for it because of the excellent fitment, not necessarily because it was good value.
I didn't hear a word you guys just said... Something about knees braces. I was too busy watching some awesome Gumby riding.
Love all the videos guys.
Just bought myself a set of the new Leatt C Frame Pro Carbons. They felt like they fit my leg much better than the Pods. Buy what fits your shape.
I purchased Mobius braces before this video came out.
I find them comfortable and when first fitted, they seem to support well.
However, after about an hour into ride, the Velcro straps come undone and then obviously they aren't supporting my knees correctly any longer.
I've sent a message to Mobius and they're very interested in helping improve the product. They're sending out some modified straps to report back on.
This kind of product support is important to me. 👍
sounds good dangermouse! i suspect most manufacturers are good with aftersales support in the first year or so, you just have to hope they stay that way in the following years.... :)
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS
I'll keep you posted with the results. 👍
I use the Astrisk Cyto cells however I think the most important thing is correct fitting, everyone's legs are different so make sure you try them on! if buying online ask for returns policy. The Mobis ones have good coverage but tend to snag the riding pants in the hinge cap and the wires break.
i reckon good on mobius for creating a budget entry level knee brace but there are a few teething problems they'll hopefully get sorted. :)
got myself some forest gump knee braces they are awesome, u can't forget to wd them after every ride tho
ride, forest, ride!
I just had knee arthroscopy done to get rid of some loose bodies removed due to damaged cartilage. My surgeon also informed that my ACL is damaged too. Don't know how I caused either of these as I don't play contact sport and only got into dirt bike riding after having knee problems. Factory defect as my GP called it. Will definitely speak to my health insurer and see if they'll cover the cost of braces. I'll need them once I've fully recovered.
Good luck, it would be great if they covered a pair of custom CTi knee braces...
I ride the mobius braces for more than a year now. I had the "locking up" problem in the beginning which was caused by my pant slipping between the middle and upper Part of the brace while sitting on the bike. My pants were relatively cheap and then i bought a fox 360 combo. This pant is working great with the brace, since then i had no mayor problems. But the metal wire broke on one side so i had to buy a repair kit (50$) and repair it (by myself), but it was relatively easy
on mine the cup just started popping out and i couldn't see any way of fixing it. it was on the third ride so i just took them back then decided to go all out with the custom braces instead. glad yours was an easy fix!
After watching this video a couple years ago I've bought an Leatt c-frame knee brace. It was really uncomfortable but I wasn't riding without them anyway, then I crashed on a rock garden of super enduro track and that crash broke my knee brace (there were two steel cables on its hinges one of them was broken and also knee cap protector was broken). I've decided to buy a new one and I've bought an x frame since I felt more comfortable. When the first time I was riding with them I couldn't see a small wet log sitting with cross angle to my front tire. I've crashed again and this time I've heard a pop sound on my knee and it really hurt. After examination and MRI my ACL was completely torn sadly. I've crashed many times with c frame and most of them were way worse than this one but I can't be sure if it's happened because of x frames are not great braces or something extraordinary happened. Maybe the brace have done its job as much as it could (my meniscus looks ok on MRI for instance and other ligaments are ok too.) but I would highly suggest to get custom knee brace if you can before any injury happen. Because there is no perfect way to reconstruct your ACL and it's one of the worse injuries.
It's very hard to know how will a knee brace has worked because of course they don't always prevent injuries. injuries from hyper-extension can be reduced significantly but other types the braces aren't so effective. But we do know that a good quality knee brace that fits your knee correctly will be the best protection usually.
@@crosstrainingenduro what's the point then? All of my injuries have been from twisting. I tried the X-frame and it hurt a ton, while barely moving. I think because of a fibular head
1:29 : "... you freak" oh man you had me in stitches, luckily I wear my full set of protective gear when I watch your latest upload, so I don't hurt myself rolling off the chair
It's after midnight here in Belgium, but it's worth the wait - bloomin antipods...
Besides CTi, Ortema in Germany are also doing nice custom knee braces.
If you're able to swing it, I'd love to see your take on neck braces. That's the next step in my safety gear-up plan...
on the list, although like many areas of protection there's not a lot of research to rely on. :(
I've been researching neck braces and there certainly is not a lot of information about their viability. Leatt has done some testing. But they're testing their own stuff, so...
Talented riding footage! Good tips, thanks 🤘
Thanks Jimmy!
Fantastic video. I'm currently on month 2 of my ACL reconstruction recovery, so all of your knee related videos are super relevant.
While it's definitely a few months until I'm back on the bike, I'm planning to talk to my Ortho about CTI customs when I see him next week. I have a feeling he might also recommend the Donjoy custom brace, which doesn't seem to be too popular in the riding community - any thoughts on those?
never heard of the donjoy, dmitry :(
Dmitriy M this vid only came out a min ago and yet it says u commented 1 month ago ???😂😂
Hoverboard is lurking I have the flux capacitor mod on my bike. When I hit 88mph (and don't wreck) I get to see Cross Training videos before they come out
Asterisk provide adjustable curve radius on top and bottom clamp
I am actually awaiting the arrival of a set of Mobius X8's. An ankle injury late last year has prompted me to seek better protection, resulting in the recent purchase of Sidi Crossfire 2's and then the Mobius. My uber thick, short fat legs have always been a problem for fitment of boots (calves...) and proper knee braces (thighs...). Inspired by the discovery that the Sidi's adjust to fit my gorilla calves, I started looking for large and adjustable knee braces. According to the fitting measurements listed for the Mobius, they should fit my thunder thighs well enough. But we'll see. The issue isn't just the circumference of my thigh at a certain point above the knee cap. It's also the shape of said thighs. But I'm hopeful. Frankly, without having the coin to spend on a set of custom made braces, I've made do with less than adequate braces. But again, inspired by your earlier video on knee braces, I figured a less than perfect fit is better than the braces I'd been using.
Thank you Mr. Morris for yet again another excellent video.
mobius have those different sized pads to adjust the fit which is very handy too, something you usually only see in the top shelf stuff like CTi braces. fingers crossed they fit you well. :)
I'll find out hopefully in a couple days when they arrive!
from trials ''how to'' to enduro.. still loving it..
Knee braces.. i run the Mobius X8.. not the most expensive ones on the block, but also not the cheapest.
The only downsize i have on those is that when i strap on the brace cable thingy with a streched or bend knee.. during riding my musscles pump up.. and it can get a tad uncomfortable... so i have to run it ''loose'' and i have no idea if that compromises it in any way
they definitely lose their effectiveness fast when you loosen them off, unfortunately. have you tried other braces to see if you get the same issue? it could be due a poor fit for your legs....
bought the leatt, seem to fit well and comfy
Yep, I found that some didn't fit my leg type, where others felt brilliant!
the toughest bit for some is finding a store that stocks them so you can check the fit, joe. i guess otherwise you just have to make sure you can mail them back if they don't fit. :(
Yep, that's totally true. I had to make trips to Brisbane and Gold Coast and call ahead to make sure they had stock so that I wasn't wasting my time. Sunshine Coast had VERY limited stock!
What braces did you end up with Joe? I've been meaning to ask you.
Unfortunately here in Alaska, nobody stocks braces. So we have no choice but to take the risk. I've got some Mobius X8's on the way, and after all I've watched and read, I think I'll be ok with them. But we'll see. With my odd body shape, the only ideal option is custom fit. And I do not have the money for that...
I got the CTi braces. The off the shelf version. Cost me a pretty penny or two! I really liked the Mobius ones when I tried them on.
JoeJoe Moto The CTi's aren't just too expensive, they won't fit my oddly shaped tree stump legs. The Mobius are the only ones that, according to their fitment charts, will fit my legs. Barry's experience with them concerns me though! I was also concerned about the lack of airflow... So we'll see. I should get them in a few days (free shipping from New York = slow boat!). Yeah, the CTi's are great braces, and I do wish I had more options...
Great info, thank you so much! I have a lingering MCL injury in one knee and am looking for the best protection I can afford going forward.
Personally I think they are a must once you have a knee injury or condition... glad the vid helped!
What model do you have
Amazingly useful review! Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Wish I had seen this a year ago. Much appreciated.
Ive just picked up a gasgas ec300 its a 2008 and its got the clake 2 fitted to it and it works but its a little iffy and the clutch needs some work i think the plates are worn and it makes this screeching sounds every now and then when inlet out the clutch
has anyone tried leatt z-frame knee braces? they are $300 cheapest but they look like good quality to me
Same question
Same
I have just replaced my broken Z-frames with Mobius X8. The Leatt ones were really cheap, but still meet the minimum criteria for the price. They did protect my legs, and they broke on impact. The new V22 version seems reinforced in the area that mine broke, so it should help matters. Other than that, the fit is somewhat sloppy, the Velcro straps have a tendency to loosen up, the hinged lid catches on pants and the rear strap rubs on the inside of the leg when moving from sitting to standing and vice versa. You get what you pay for. I am glad i bought them and not just knee guards, but there's a clear improvement in quality when moving to the Mobiuses. No idea how the X-frame holds up, but my friend has the C-frame and is happy with them, so maybe it's just the budget model that's meh.
I got the X Frame hybrid for around $600. really like them so far
Those uphill falls look so painful. Been there. Done that
I really want knee braces but I just don't have the money right now because I'm in college. However, I do work during the summer and that would be the best time to save up and buy knee braces, but for the time being should I get really nice knee guards or should I just wait and save my money to get the top of the line knee braces?
Fantastic bit of information there. Cheers from Ontario.!!
thanks kuladeeluxe! only three weeks and i fly into ontario (if i can get around the mounties tasked with preventing my entry).
Blew my ACL with RS8 on and it was sold to me as knee braces🤬,now waiting on recovery and bought some good Asterisk Cell 2.0
Tanks for this good information. I think I will spend some money to upgrade on this topic.
I guess we all focus on what we had coming, have you any good advise on Shoulder impact protection? I cant find any that transfer forces to the body to reduce risk of tearing the ligaments on AC and CC joints on the collarbone. Most of the protection leaves you withiut a scratch but still dont protect these joints since they have to take all forces landing on the shoulder.
i'll do body armour soon, peter. the problem is there is virtually no research on what works and what doesn't. :(
Really great informational vids your putting out, thank you. This particular vid just reminded me to get my ass in gear and get some long overdue preemptive CTI knee braces. To address Peters shoulder protection query (short story) Last year riding the back roads of South Africa on a BMW GS I was wearing my Dainese mesh body armor and took a weird spill in the bush, broke a few ribs and such. This event lead me to find these guys in France that make RXR Protect MX. Check these guys out I have two products from them the shoulder protection is worn below the outer rib & chest protector an awesome piece of kit
sumporfuk, Thx for the link it looks more like what I have in mind. Most shoulder protection I have seen doesn't transfer the impact energy to the body / ribcage and therefore the collarbone and AC joint has to cope with the impact.
Awesome video!
But what do you think about the Thor XP Knee braces?
They are only 100 bucks but are recommended from many riders
those aren't knee braces, they are just knee guards vincent. the difference was explained right at the start of this vid. :)
is that two vids one day?
thanks for the great vids
is there any good bike that suits both enduro and a little bit of motocross? but mostly enduro. I'm thinking of a exc 300. Thankful for recommendations
Thanks for your helpful video, do you recon for adventure riding also dose it essential to have knee brace or knee grad would be enough ?
depends on age, skill level, previous injuries, size of your bike, the terrain you ride in and the speed....
good info. Thanks for the video.
Glad it was helpful, much of the info comes from a knee braces specialist so should be pretty accurate.
I bought the pods about three months ago, I insisted to the girl who fitted them I was a large being a towering six-four, she put me in my place and said no, I'm a medium but with these in my riding pants I'll look like a 2XL. Women are so much better salespersons...
I tore my MCL last year and the type of twist that caused it won't be protected by braces, but almost everyone I know who rides has had some form of knee injury and the most horrifying are the ones that involve hyperextension. These bits of kit are a smart move more of us should have them.
there are definitely certain twists and impacts a brace will only provide some protection, mikl... and only if it's a really good fit too. :(
It's about risk minimisation I think, I know I'm going to come off and here it's mostly loose or not loose rocks, there's no avoiding some pain. I watched some Finnish EnduroGP vids last night, suddenly I feel a lot safer riding where I do, those guys are gods.
I am curious as to what is meant by no second layer. Does that mean no full-length socks to help capture and hold the brace in place?
It just means don't have two layers under the braces. E.g. if you wear compression pants, don't add knee brace 'socks' as well. That's what we were advised by the CTi specialist.
@@crosstrainingenduro ahh, got it. That makes sense that they don't want to create a low friction slip plane between the brace and your knee. Thanks for replying so fast to an old video!
Great play list 👍
Thanks Don, hope it helps!
you forgot to include which braces provide the best protection for drop bear attacks.
any knee brace will do this if you cover it in your own excrement.
A guy Broke his Femur, broke his Tibia and cut his Knee open at yesterday's 6-hour. He wasn't wearing knee braces. Imo they are a must!!
poor bugger, hope he's not off the bike for too many months... :( to play devil' advocate though, usually a knee brace won't prevent bone fractures but will just protect the knee joint more when it happens. and of course some argue braces can cause femur fractures but the current research doesn't support that theory.
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS i’ve broken my left femur. Much better to do this than do damage to knee/ligaments. Worked hard in the gym, back to work (tradesmen) after 3.5 months. Full recovery, only slight muscle weakness. I bet anyone with knee injuries will have continued problems for many many years
wow, those custom braces are more money than my entire setup. pretty sure i'll be springing for real boots before i drop 600usd on braces though as my skill and type of riding would probably put you all to sleep.
crazy amount of money but i figured at my age, and with previous injuries and the amount i ride, it was a good investment. if i'm off the bike for six months with a knee injury that's pretty much the end of the youtube channel.
oh I completely understand, I can't do 10% of what you guys do on this channel. essentially what eveRide does but with trees and no camera. "adventure Riding" when I get more practice I'll start working on the crazy log jumps and hill climbs
I am not getting on any soap box or high horse but I'll simply say that accidents can happen at any level and at any time to anyone, that's why we (I) wear all of my kit all the time
thank you for sharing this with me ;)
You are a 2 stroker also, great
What brand and model are those red frame knee braces from the video?
which exact part of the vid?
@@crosstrainingenduro, sorry i didn.t pay attention enough, i found what i was asking, thanks !
Super handy tips ..
That first crash looked so painful. Was he okay?
thankfully yes ryan... otherwise i wouldn't have felt comfortable with using the footage!
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Are you saying you have a ton of footage you aren't using, simply because someone got hurt? That's not cool man.
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CTI is sick expensive and doesn’t have a boot strap as Asterisk. They offer a nice fit but most of injuries comes from ankle twist to knee. It happened to me and that boot strap does make sense, Asterisk carbon is a way to go. I would buy CTI but only if they include a boot strap.
Change my mind.
Do you have any hard evidence that most injuries are ankle twists, Rafal? We dug deep into the research a few years back and found nothing like that at all.
@@crosstrainingenduro I meant that if your foot is twisted at ankle level then your knee will be twisted not an ankle as that motion is transferred by your boot to the knee. The knee wasn’t designed for twisting but for bending that’s why extra strap from braces to your boot will help a lot.
Every single knee ingury is by twisting not by impact etc.
You can still be injured by having braces on if you don’t have that additional strap to your boot.
What research are you quoting, Rafal... when you say "Every single knee ingury is by twisting not by impact" and "most of injuries comes from ankle twist to knee"? I did a video which looked into all the available research and didn't find anything that says twisting causes most or all injuries. If you have some evidence I'd love to see it as I want to keep that video up to date as much as possible.
@@crosstrainingenduro it’s my personal experience 2nd surgery, friends and enduro community.
Also I been told by my surgeon that with that strap to the boot I wouldn’t be hurt as that strap is stronger than ligaments and holding your knee in a position and prevents any rotation for your knee.
@@crosstrainingenduroyou stated in the actual video that knee braces don’t do well to protect against twisting forces through the lower leg. The Asterix strap is designed to help with this.
leat are decent
What's your opinion on the Alpinestars Fluid Tech Carbon?
if you buy me a pair i can test them lol
Old post but I've been looking lately and I've heard they are flimsy compared to others. I have no personal experience with them.
Do a Backflip Totorial on a Enduro Bike 😃😃😃
ruben is doing them on the trials bike, probably will do a vid when he does it on the enduro bike :)
any idea what's going on with the super old comments?
other vids have linked to this one for a while now, but i've only just made it public today.
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS ah gotcha. hey I haven't seen any videos on boots, I've always worn leather work boots riding but don't know what to get for Enduro
already done a boots vid. and there was a link to the protective gear series at the end of this vid. th-cam.com/video/vf7Ls_mZCs4/w-d-xo.html
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS I'm dumber than a wallaby for Christ's sake. thanks for the link and exposing my brainpower. while you're here I'll tell you I'm getting my money's worth of my chain and sprocket. my drive sprocket is definitely worse than the "getting your money's worth" one you showed and my chain is sagging on its max stretch
i've known some pretty smart wallabies though... smarter than me at least lol
Leatt are crap when it comes to quality compare to prize.
Braces hinge destroyed after 1 year use, without any reason or caches.
show melhor seria se traduzir para português .
find someone to translate the series, the community contributions option is there. :)
6:12 How the fuck do you do that lol
lol i had to rewind the video several times just to see it again
Me too, I watched that like 6 times, AWESOME!!!!
fuck.. I can't spend more than about 270$ CAD..
lots of guys don't check the fit then sell their unused ones, you can pick up a bargain sometimes.... also leatt are on special at the moment, i think around US$300. kinda close....
CROSS TRAINING ENDURO SKILLS yea! I always forget about buying used.. thx
Where are you finding them on special? what site? I cant find that price otherwise I'd buy them!
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