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- So i'm nearing the end of the core ECW project i've been workingon this year and i made the mistake of researching what i was going to work on next. One thing led to another and i've basically started. So this is just an overview of the project, what it's going to be, and what i hope to achieve by the end of it plus a look at the first unit completed.
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Can't wait to see Victrix release the Norman cavalry, hopefully archers/crossbowmen. The Anglo-Dane huscarls would make great Varangian guard
They had caught my eye 😉👍
Okay I was blown away at the unit reveal. You're getting really talented at this! The unit looks like the effort put into a commander base diorama. The whole division will look insane 😍
I can appreciate the rabbit hole of jumping into new projects. Browsing for minis I get distracted by the other periods!
Really pleased you like them bud 👍😁
I literally went out to the internet to see if I could find that T-Shirt. And then I said, well maybe he has a link to get that shirt. And you do. I also found another T-Shirt I like, but I think I'll get both.
About the content - When I was about 16, in the 10th grade in the USA, I found out about the Crusades and checked many books out of the library about the armor worn, and about the Crusades, especially the First Crusade. I always "liked" Tancred and Godfrey de Bouillon. For a kid with no money, the library was a Godsend for me. I'll end up watching all of these videos.
Thanks so much, really pleased you enjoy the content. Thanks for taking the time to comment 👍
I am glad I found this having followed much of your Napoleonics. Having a fascination for crusades, I have been thinking about this period war games. The problem is always understanding how to play, although having learned quite a lot of the napoleonic rules...all thanks to your and other YT help ... it won,t be such a learning curve. It would be great play a game with someone though.
Thank you such detail.
Thanks so much, I'm really pleased you enjoy the content, this is a fascinating period to game in 👍
Looks great - Norman conquest through first crusade was my first real army project with 25mm Ral Partha figures. Lots of overlap in using figures as the best equipped knights from one war can be the sergeants and men at arms in the next.
That sounds great mate, glad you liked the vid 👍
Great choice! Using that kit to do Normans in Sicily.
Cheers bud, its a great kit 👍
Great figures, always astounded that your units are only 15 figures yet you manage to make them look like a horde
Thanks mate, it just kind of worked out that way but i like the bases to be animated 👍
Great new project. Victrix are so on the mark with their figures at the moment and you’ve made a great job of them. I really like the composition of the unit too. Very cool. 👍
Thanks very much, glad you like them 👍😃
Lovely stuff.
Cheers 😁👍
These figures are absolutely stunning and fantastically based wow and one mistake to a figure has turned into a stunning figure charging forward once again fantastic
Really appreciate that, glad you like them 👍😁
This project is very near and dear to me. The Crusades have long been a period I love, but also one that I've had a variety of plans to wargame. I've got Outremer for skirmish battles that I am working towards, but I've also got Deus Vult that I've been struggling to figure out how to do: 6mm, 10mm, 28mm? I'd love to chat with you about Deus Vult, as I've had the rules since they were released and I'm inching closer to making it happen. Looking at these figures, 28mm would be visually stunning, but I think I'm going to go with 6mm as was my original plan.
Long story short, this project is AWESOME and I look forward to following it and having it inspire my own Crusades projects!
Oh, and your first bases are AMAZING! Paint job is great, those bases are lovely, I'll have to look into them. Overall, wicked.
Cheeea buddy, that sounds awesome, hopefully this one will move along quite quick as fhey are such nice models I'm finding it hard to put them down 😁
Fantastic minis, you've managed to bring them alive which I think we all strive to do when we start painting. The bloody wound was an awesome turn around. A basing video would be much appreciated.
I'll get one sorted 👍
Amazing project 👍
Thanks, it's been a really interesting road so far 👍
super work 7th , love the bases
Thanks, im really pleased with how they have come out. I may do a video on how i do them onve i have to make another batch 👍
Amazing models and superbly painted. I was hesitant choosing between these models and the range from fireforge. These look so good. Thanks for helping me choose.
Wow, thanks very much. Really pleased you enjoyed it 👍
Such a great project...and such a masterpiece, these units are truly gorgeous!!👍👍👍
Thank you very much mate 😁
Love the sword cuts and dusting on the shields. Top job.
Appreciate it mate, the sword cuts are on the transfers, the dusting is a mixture of drybrushing and pigments 👍
Excellent work Martin! Really looking forward to seeing a base/diorama of either, the Holy Grail, the Ark of the Covenant or the holy hand grenade of Antioc! 😀
I'm sure that can be arranged 😁
I'm using Perry metals for my first crusade franks, and for Bizzies I've gone for Crusader miniatures.
I've got my eyes on the Perry models and will take a look at Crusader, cheers 😁
You’ve done a great job. Interested to see how you do the Seljuks as not sure there are too many great plastics for that.
Cheers bud, I'm mainly using the GB plastics for the bulk of it but will be adding metal models throughout to add a little character 👍
@@7thson726 look forward to seeing you pull those together. Please Include some scale comparisons.
Great video. Lovely looking figures too. Very inspiring - I want to read more about this period now.
Cheers Warren, its another great period to research 😁
Better get your orders in before victrix run out of stock.
Fantastic work on the minis, they look excellent.
Really looking forward to seeing where this project ends up 🙂
Thanks bud, im really excited to gwt going on it 👍
They look great, and another good project that will keep you busy for a long time.
Definitely 😅
Very nicely done. You should check out the Osprey book on Manzikert. That will give you some great ideas for Seljuqs and Byzantines as you stated. Enjoy your videos greatly!
Glad yoi liked it 👍😁
Thanks for the recommendations I'll definitely check that out
Look fantastic!….. but now you have me wanting to jump down the Crusader rabbit hole 😳👍🏻
Haha its a slippery slope 😅
good stuff
Cheers 😁
These are looking amazing! Was tempted to jump into this period with the victrix Norma's myself but didn't bite the bullet, REALLY hard not to now seeing how good yours are looking!
Haha glad you like them buddy 👍
Awesome Martin. Love the progress and the Norman foot look amazing
Cheers mate, will have to ally with yours in a game 😁
Great video
Thanks mate 👍
Fantastic finish and basing as always! Looking forward to the gamepaly videos.
Gkad you like it, just a couple of units to do and the game will be underway 👍
Great video Martin looking forward to see your first crusade battles 😊
Cheers buddy, it's in the editing pan now 😁
@@7thson726 Good evening Martin I would like to order some of your figs. How do I go about it? Cheers grant
@@grantpavitt3198 hello mate just head to this link, but I'm having a restock so you may want want to wait a few days, should be done by mid week 👍
www.etsy.com/shop/RaggedStaffMinis
@@7thson726 wonderful 😀
Great stuff as usual Martin! Really inspiring too...not always a good thing when one is knee-deep in other projects! Love the basing - would be interested to see a vid on that. Those Norman models look great...soooo tempting...and I love the Gripping Beast Arab models. Looking forward to seeing this grow!
Cheers Mate, glad you like them, i cant wait to do more 😁
Excellent start. Looking forward to following the updates on a Monday evening
Thanks Steve, should have a few for tomorrow 😁
Bloody brilliant Martin. As ever, there will no doubt be a run on folk buying Crusades minis now!! Haha I’m away to buy some shares in Victrix! I think I am going to dive into Test of Honour in the comings months
Haha I've already had a couple of emails 😅
TOH is a great game, lots of fun and the campaign system makes it really intresting
Looking forward to seeing your process in this project,
Thanks mate, already done another unit and halfway through the next 😁
Great looking project Martin, following with upmost interest!
Cheers VK 😁👍
Wow fantastic painted models and sounds a great project. And love to see how you go on with is. 😁👍
Thanks buddy 👍😁
I would love to see future batllereports with theese minis. They look awesome!
There will be some. Once I've completed about 4 or 5 unuts a side I'll do some small skirmish games to kick things off 😁
I've been out of historical wargaming for a bit but just seeing that painted unit makes me want to jump back in.
Thanks mate, never a wrong moment to jumo back in 😁
This may have inspired me to start collecting miniatures for The Anarchy.
That's another great period for wargaming, so many possibilities 👍😁
Top stuff . Looks really good . Dig the bases too. Crack on .
Cheers mate 👍
Some lovely looking models Martin. I like the idea of doing a project for a specific gaming objective like seiges.
Cheers buddy, seiges are a long time want of mine 😁
Looks great dude ! That new Norman kit looks noice 👌 .... this might inspire me to go back to my 3rd crusade project ! 🤔
Do it dude, they are very nice 👍
Nice job!! So wish I was into this. Models and bases look Dope!! Basing tutorial is welcomed.
Thanks mate, I'll put one together the next batch of bases i make 👍
So good bud!
Love the animation and story values you got in there!
Thanks, i try to make each base intresting in its own right 😀 glad you like them
If your looking for other miniature lines to mix in, I recommend Crusader. Not only do they have a varied range of infantry, but I think their command figures are great
I do like crusader, i habe some other figs from them, hadn't thought to check their range, thanks for the heads up 😁
Fantastic looking unit & a very interesting project. If you are interested in Crusade specific rules I recommend Soldiers of God by Artorus Games. The rules really bring out the differences between the two sides
I'll check that out thanks 👍
Been eyeing up those Victrix Normans, very interested to see what other kits from other companies you find that match up well with them.
They are rather nice, i habe a few bits from other companies, once i have a few more I'll do a video with some comparisons 👍
Lol I’ve got too many minis to paint. Now I want to do some Norman infantry 🤦. Looks like some really good painting fun and gaming!
Would love to see some basing and painting ideas.
Cheers mate, I'll definitely be doing a basing vid now 😁
Oh the inherent dangers of watching a new project video hoping I won't be using #iblamemartin. Alas just like Galadriel refusing the ring from Frodo, I have survived temptation as of yet. Looking forward to following your journey on this, as I can see some early medieval skirmish in my future. Your finished models are looking fantastic!
Cheers buddy, glad you enjoyed it, to quote the WK "i will break him" 😁
Loving your content, just getting into Historical Wargaming, and it's awesome to see the Victarix models painted up, I'm looking at their Saxon line.
They are brilliant miniatures, im looking at a few myself to maybe mix in. Im pleased you're enjoying the channel 😁
That's ace, I'm not sure if they're era appropriate for crusaders but their 2 handed axe wielding Huscarls are awesome.
@@neilkirkley1500 ah i thought that but at this point most of the Varangian Guard were saxon exiles from England, sure i can field a unit as some Byzantine allies 🤔
Absolutely fantastic unit Martin I love this period and based mine on the third crusade looking forward to seeing your progress if your interested Perry Miniatures do a first crusade range and have some nice diorama sets and casualty’s also some characters like kilaj arslan and Godfrey
Thank you buddy, no worries ive definitely been eyeing the Perry Range 😁
This is gonna be another great project
Hopefully 😁👍
Great to hear you're doing 1st crusade rather than the 'glamorous' later ones. I did this project in 15mm a few months ago. My inspiration was the pilgrims. I know they were completely useless and if anything, got in the way, but there were a lot of them and I love the idea of 3/4 starved religious zealots giving it 20% mad impetuous charge or 80% rout. To help this I also gave them a caroccio (spelling?) sacred altar and banner in a wagon (I know they didnt have one :P but the period is exactly right so they *could* have had one) as well as plentiful praying monks mixed into the very large and disorganised bases. Talking of ragged starving masses, the main army was little better by the time they arrived in the levant, so I made my footsoldiers considerably less well armed and armoured than you have done. I think your WoTR style super tanky foot units is inappropriate and as far as I recall, the footsoldiers actually did very little, the knights charging off (unsupported) as they usually did with all their arrogance, and usually succeeding in blasting straight through the Syrian forces (Seljuqs & Fatamids were a little later, I think) by virtue of this being a totally new tactic/style to the Syrians. I read somewhere that the ideal age for a Fatamid or similar levantine heavy cavalryman was considered about 30, so to have acquired lots of skills and judgement, whereas for a Norman/crusader it was 18 - all zealousness and arrogance of youth. Which brings me back to appropriateness of my hypothetical carrocio.
So since you have a large quantity of intermingleable parts, I'd look at getting a plastic kit of basic saxons or some similar raggedy arsed foot and make the bulk of your foot much less impressive, mixing heads bodies and weapons. The knights themselves were not impervious to the general poverty of the expedition, so a proportion of those should also be only partly armoured and indifferently weaponed. Byzantine 'assistance' was also spectacularly modest, maybe a few Armenian light troops - no more. They seemed to pick up Turcopoles quickly (again, Armenian in the early days), so these might be a fun, but absolutely no coordination with the knights should be allowed...... 'where are they going?'
Thats really cool, there is certainly alot of scope and opportunity in this period. Did you just do the western armies or did you go for more?
Thats given me alot of food for thought, i had considered adding in Saxon bodies for variation. I certainly think the peoples crusafe and the knights /soldiers whonwere with that were unprepared but i feel that given the crusade had a preparation time and there were quite a few staging posts along the way they were well supplied. Especially once the ports had been captured and Alexios could send men.
I know that by the time they left Antioch there was only about 200-300 cavarly left so the majority of the force was on foot however they had been significantly resupplied by the Byzantines after they left the seige. They also spent months in antoich preparing to leave on the next stage of the crusade, the Gesta Francorum talks about the armoured units of the Normans / Franks not mixing with the pilgrims and in fact forcing them to keep seperate, although Bohemond seems to have gone to great lengths to protect them adopting multiple shield walls around them in various battles. The main point of starvation appears to have been in the siege of Antioch itself but they still fought off multiple relief armies and once they took the city. They really were on the edge 🤔
The Frankish cavalry was certainly supported by Turcapoles and Armenian troops amd as you say was a tried and tested tactic though i would add that while some of these crusaders were young Zealots alot of the Normans were veteran soldiers and those in the companies of Bohemond and Tancred had already fought in campaigns in the areas of the northern parts of the Seljuk and Byzantine empire. The Seljuks were definitely the power in the northern part of the region at the time, they came into power in the 1030's and were campaigning against the Fatamids in 1097/98 when the crusade entered their territory hence the rush back to confront them.
Love the idea of the carrocio i was looking at the Perry one for a while. I will be doing pilgrims but within their own division, will probably chuck Peter the Hermit in there for good measure.
Thanks for taking rhe time to comment, certainly given me some bits to think about 👍😁
@@7thson726 Amazing how we read the same sources and draw different points of emphasis. I think that's what I enjoy about these slightly more obscure (in wargaming terms) periods, there is no specific right answer, no specific 'correct' way to play. One thing that did occur to me in bed while reflecting on what I'd said (yes I know - sad but ..... shrugs) was that as so many knights did lose (eat?) their horses that there would surely have been a small number of well armed and aggressive foot units, as I think it unlikely that they would have lowered themselves to mixing with the common soldiery.
I do have a muslim army as well, theoretically Syrian, although mixing in figures from every army/manufacturer I could match up (15mm is a terrible scale for scale consistency) so its a bit of a soup. I have vague plans to expand this into more distinctive Syrian/Seljuq/ Fatamid (or maybe Abbasid) armies though I am struggling on how to achieve this distinctiveness. civil wars are all very well and historically appropriate, but I do like distinctiveness between forces. (For instance my WoTR Yorkists have a lot of Burgundian mercenaries, Lancastrians none, while the Lancastrians have a lot of shire levy, Yorkists none).
Really cool Martin 😎👍. Yes please show your basing techniques. Ideal for crusades and desert Bolt Action. These Victrix Normans are 100x better than their vikings. Really nice (might get some of these)
Cheers bud, basing video is on the way. These are such lovely sculpts, makes it hard to stop working on them 😅
The fireforge range of Byzantine units is quite good. Suitable for the 1st crusade I believe. Just if you wanted to throw some allied Byzantine units in there.
I have my eyes on them 😉👍
Amazing work as always and a great period! Models look sick, quite tempted by them myself now haha. Also would love a tutorial on the basing as it looks perfect for my bolt action 8th Army I’ll be starting soon!
Thanks mate, glad you like it, I'll get the basing video done for sure 👍
They look really good,on their bases. Have to wait for Christmas to get some more figures 😂😂
Same here 😁
Great video as always! I just bought the hoodie :D
Amazing 😁 thank you, hope you like it
Awesome minis man! Looking forward to following this project - you should also check out Steve Tibble’s “Crusader Armies” for a more in-depth dive. He also wrote a four part series in Wargames Illustrated.
Would be great to see a basing tutorial too.
Thanks I'll check that out , and the basing video will definitely be coming 👍
Great looking models! I’ve also started a first crusade project recently. I’m using Caballero miniatures for mine. They have some great character models, might be worth looking at for command stands …. Keep up the good work
Thanks 😁 I've already fot an order in for some Caballero stiff, you're right they are fantastic, got a command stand in mind 👍
Great looking first unit Martin. Warmaster Medieval is another option mate, no reason you couldn’t use them for 28mm.
Cheers buddy, glad you like them, hadn't thought of Warmaster, good shout 👍
Awesome! Haw you lined up an opponent so that we will get a battle report? Rather sooner than later😊🙏🏻
All sorted 😁👍
Been ages since I started something new, I guess Franco-Prussian war was the last one. I do have a massive untouched box of Victrix Romans and Gauls though. That will be next for me.
Sometimes that change is really helpful, I've been flying through these recently 😁
Very nice painting
Thanks very much 👍
Like the T shirt👍has it got 'I blame Martin' on the back?
No, i should ge that added 😅
Not too sure about the bases...a bit less wavey for me....lovely modelling... the fro....Norman charging foward is wicked....got myself an 40k ork doing the same !!
Cheers mate 👍
@@7thson726 When looking at these models and the price GW can never justify their (there..crap ) prices. The darkage stuff is just gorgeous
@@richardbradley2335 crazy isn't it, the quality, variant poses and quantity make them a no brainer for purchase 😁
Great work Martin, love the bases! Are those the FK&P13c bases from BRB?
Cheers buddy 😁 haha, these are FK&P 6a
@@7thson726 thanks! Want to use them for my HYW
Soldiers of God is something I would recommend for this period it is a wonderful game
I heard that it may now be out of print? I've found a couple of videos on it and it does look interesting 👍
Great video and fantastic painting. Looking forward to the rest of the project. Are these contrast paints (apart from the metallics) or a mix of paint types? Looking forward to your seljuks - I'm tempted to collect some at 15mm scale for MeG but no idea re colours. The book God's War is a good source - bit of a house brick though
This is a mixture of contrast amd regular paints, i use contrast to do alot of the base work before highlighting 👍
Lovely figures, I was going to do a Norman army but you convinced me to do a war of the roses one instead! Maybe something for the future, although something mongul or ottoman or maybe ww2 would be nice, I cannot wait to see this project materialise (would any of the siege walls be compatible with your WotR campaign or are they just going to be completely separate?)
Edit: I also love the simple nature of the bases, they act as a beautiful not too showy display for the miniatures, the two work so well together instead of competing for attention.
Glad you like the bases mate, i like them to be distinct but simple so they can be built easily 😁👍
@@7thson726 Hi 7th son, thanks for the reply, I have two fairly random questions, I need to debase some miniatures, I noticed you've done this in the past but when their glued, ground covered and flocked what's the procedure as they don't seem to want to go anywhere!
@@blahblah-hw3xg i normally use a strong knife to scrape off the basing material until can see the bottom of the feet or integral base and then i use a modelling blade to slide it underneath sort of lever it off 👍
Don't know if you've started the GB cavalry yet, but the horses don't go together brilliantly. You have to trim the grassy bits under the hooves on the freestanding half for them to work. Looking forward to seeing more!
I hadn't yet but thanks for the heads up 👍
Excellent video Martin- Those Victrix Normans are fantastic and very well painted as usual - Do you find that there is much scale difference between the Victrix mini's and the Gripping beast plastics? - Looking forward to seeing more videos on this 👍
There is a bit of difference, the Victrix are slightly taller and the GB a littler chunkier but not so much that its an issue 👍
What is the idea of the scalloped bases? Is it to break up the outline or does it serve a functional purpose of making it easier to move the units in blocks because the bases lock together?
Its jusy quite aesthetically pleasing weirdly. They do slightly lock togther when placed 👍
Here's a question. Do you paint each individual model separately then place them down on the stand or do you place them on first then paint them.
I paint each one separately then glue them onto the base 👍
great looking models really nice normans, cant wait to see more of them and some of the muslim forces. when will the next battle report be out for the war of the roses campaign ?
Thanks mate 👍😁 I'm hoping it'll be soon, we have been hampered by illness work commitments and other unfortunate circumstances.
Great Normans! I’m doing a similar project in December! Check out the book “Crusader armies” by Steve Tibble, best book I’ve read on the subject and super inspiring
Will do, thanks very much 👍
what size bases where they on the big red bat web page /
I use these for cavalry bigredbatshop.co.uk/collections/all/products/bat-bases-fk-p-infantry-battalia-bases-for-20cm-grid
And I use these for infantry 👍 bigredbatshop.co.uk/collections/all/products/copy-of-fk-p-infantry-battalia-part-bases-for-20cm-grid-fk-p13b-x-3
Now look....you gonna have to stop all this seed planting business as I can see a lot of trouble ahead!😆👍
Haha im sure i don't know what you mean 😜