Idc about DJ but el fuerte was cancer. All of them lagged online and the ones in tournament would either vortex the shit out of you or fish for rsf. Daigo made a video about how sf4 was easily the weirdest SF ever in terms of fundamentals.
@@lucaslennan3356it makes a lot of sense bc for punk the most important skills in street fighter are spacing and whiff punishing. so moves that make that less relevant are the most tilting. Kim's run is a million times weaker than el fuertes and he still hates it. Sway is interesting bc it honestly isn't that crazy strong but you can tell that the concept of getting a free whiff punish tool that can be thrown out at random is offensive
El Fuerte is the most online warrior character ever. He was so weak in offline competitive play but online it's like you couldn't do ANYTHING about him
I would love to see more videos like this. My own personal takes from an average player would have to be EVERYTHING Batgirl in IJ1 could do, and CF1 Izanami rib cage. For the strive players, I want yall to imagine if Bridget/ I-No could mix you up while having a shield of FD up that auto gaurded against bursts/ reversals/ mashing, that she could manually dispel for a launch into a full combo at any time. The only drawback is it drains your burst gauge rapidly, but for several seconds she was completely untouchable. You COULD throw her out of it, but you’d have to deal with that on top of the mental stack of her high/ low staircase mixups, continuous pressure, and insane Magneto style movement. She was so frustrating to deal with even Izanami mains didn’t try to defend her.
We need more LK and punk content! These two are straight up different versions of each other from different universes, I love seeing them do work together
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I know Mitsuru 5A was in the other video, but my locals recently had a team tournament where we randomly played old, unpatched, no DLC or game unlocks fighting games on the PS3. When Vanilla P4A got pulled our winning strategy was to tell our player to pick Mitsuru and mash 5A. It worked lol.
This was a fun episode! Great choices on both sides. I'm legit surprised Punk didn't say Jinrai Kick, OD Amnesia or Honda Headbutt. Dee Jay's sway makes sense though because of how hard it counterplays Punk's footsie and neutral centric playstyle.
I think Jinrai is getting solved in terms of defense. Less and less people are caught off guard by me doing medium jinrai, and even less are letting light jinrai rock without Drive Impacting me before I finish. It is dope and powerful but the counter play is coming along
I was also a Rachel Pumpkin enjoyer - That thing was amazing. So much fun, absolutely opened up Rachel rushdown. Granted I always complained about Jin and his ice waggle mechanic. I am pretty sure I annoyed the hell out of the BB Rizon chat with all my complaining from a state of such privilege.
Yeah craziest thing about Rachel's pumpkin is activating it is completely animationless, and she can just keep activating it as long as she has wind meter. Cracked move.
They kinda gave the pumpkin back with Izanami's bits. She does a similar thing with projectiles, but she has to go into a mode where she can't block to do them. It's debatable how fair this tradeoff is.
I'm surprised Rachel's pumpkin took this long to show up lol. You could pumpkin into jump forward, and just like that you're doing a full screen jump in whilst they're locked down by the damn fruit. I don't think I've ever felt such a drastic change in how a character plays than when they took the pumpkin away. Also, the wind ability itself probably belongs on the list of overpowered moves. I genuinely think it might be one of the most powerful tools any character has ever had in any fighting game, it's versatility and range of effects is actually difficult to quantify 😅
I miss vanilla Rachel, besides Pumpkin, j2c cancels is the next biggest thing they took away. Rachel went from a full screen rushdown character to just a zoner after taking away so many things that's cool about her.
Man, Punk just has such a smooth, chill vibe about him. He sounds like being in a good mood is just part of who he is. Something about the tone of his voice, you can hear the smile.
@@blooddumpster3427yea he definitely hasn't watched him play. Punk goes deep into the salt mines at times. Like this is the "worst" player I've ever played or when complaining about a mechanic
Can someone tell me what's that song in the background from? When punk talks about the first move in the video. It's on Project Diva, but I don't know where it's originally from
13:47 Oh yeah, Impish Gypsophila, aka pumpkin, is such an inconspicuously powerful move. It looks like nothing, but then you realize that once it's out, you can't really play the game anymore until it's gone. Crazy stuff that i wish they put into BBTAG lol, would've fit right at home. Bonus : 15:46 in BBCT, i'm pretty sure that move is jump cancellable, so double 50/50s. J.2C was CRAZY good.
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4:30 DJ Sway is so busted, I don't know why it's not talked about more. Basically at any point if you try to poke him or hit him with anything, he can just throw out a sway and get a full combo, it's Luke's suppressor on steroids and HGH, it's bad enough trying to reach DJ due to his normals. And drive rush into sway is why I want them to totally remove special cancels early off DR, it's like you reacted accordingly and are still getting punished. Pretty much the only way to punish it is to pre-emptively forward jump or neutral jump, which is kinda dumb. It's like you have to use stupid tactics to fight a stupid move.
For anyone who really wants to see the absolute madhouse that is El Fuerte, I highly suggest you check out the money match of Pepeday vs Pro Fluke. They even do the El Fuerte Mirror Match Salute!
It baffles me that you're even able to find versions of FighterZ where Kid Buu is even remotely as much of a threat as he used to be, all of his moves are quaint in comparison to the Jiren 2Ls, Beerus 2Ms, SS4 5Ls, GT 214Ss and what have you. I have no idea where you're getting your FighterZ data from but believe me when I say I WISH the moves you were talking about were the biggest thing we had to watch out for.
ngl in my whole time of playing p4au I never had issues with manazuki but almost every one of ken and koromaru's moves have managed to just end me. probably a mu thing but I have grown to hate that dog with a passion (:
Hey lord knight if u see this make a video on how sol badguy 5S in strive needs to be nerfed (p.s. if 5S did get nerfed who cares let’s nerf it some more)💫💫💫💫💫
Kid buu is really not good anymore because mix isn't as relevant as it used to be, and he doesn't have a neutral skip. Why bother going for a mixup, when you can two touch your opponent' midscreen with an ex move? After that, all you need is level 3 mix and you're golden. Meanwhile, what good tools he does have are overshadowed by things like upward beam that can cancel into supderdash even on whiff, moves that delete/ignore all projectiles and assists, or invincible lariats. Kid buu is a fundamentally good character, but he didn't receive any of the power creep that the rest of the cast got. Low damage, high execution, no neutral skips, his pressure is only average now and he only offers mix. Which, you honestly don't need that badly since GO1 stopped playing
Bro why you the only one still talking about Pre Patch DBFZ? My boy you are talking about season 3. Season 3, that was years ago we've had like 3-4 LARGE patches since then. Stop the kap.
This is a fg history vid, the move was broken, so I put it in. If a move got changed, am I not allowed to talk about how it used to be or what made it good? Remember that we learn history because we must not forget 🙏🏾
![ILLSLICK - THE KING'S LANDING [Freestyle]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/feIJJnNkTfk/mqdefault.jpg)
LK is the oldest looking 14 year old I've ever seen in my life.
Black don’t crack
@@SoulInajarHe got some salt with his pepper, but it ain't a bad look.
@@decepticonmecha salt n pepper adds seasoning and flavor, of course it ain’t bad 😌
On a similarly unrelated note- Punk’s dreds are insane. Mans loctician is the plugggg
@@Caleb-zl4wk them shitlocks?! Lmao ok bruh
Live how two of Punk's were just "Bro he's schmoovin' I can't handle it!"
to compensate, the other one is standing in place which is the exact opposite of schoomovin'
Idc about DJ but el fuerte was cancer. All of them lagged online and the ones in tournament would either vortex the shit out of you or fish for rsf. Daigo made a video about how sf4 was easily the weirdest SF ever in terms of fundamentals.
I mean I'm not saying he's wrong!
@@lucaslennan3356it makes a lot of sense bc for punk the most important skills in street fighter are spacing and whiff punishing. so moves that make that less relevant are the most tilting. Kim's run is a million times weaker than el fuertes and he still hates it. Sway is interesting bc it honestly isn't that crazy strong but you can tell that the concept of getting a free whiff punish tool that can be thrown out at random is offensive
El Fuerte is the most online warrior character ever. He was so weak in offline competitive play but online it's like you couldn't do ANYTHING about him
Capcom was considering backwards DR, but everyone recognizes how cringe that would be, so they just gave it to Deejay exclusively.
Like v shift lmao
lol
"People dont know you play A TON of fighting games"
*Proceeds to only mention street fighter*
both are true tho
Likely for the content and retention. Dude is mostly sf centric right now after all
I would love to see more videos like this. My own personal takes from an average player would have to be EVERYTHING Batgirl in IJ1 could do, and CF1 Izanami rib cage.
For the strive players, I want yall to imagine if Bridget/ I-No could mix you up while having a shield of FD up that auto gaurded against bursts/ reversals/ mashing, that she could manually dispel for a launch into a full combo at any time. The only drawback is it drains your burst gauge rapidly, but for several seconds she was completely untouchable. You COULD throw her out of it, but you’d have to deal with that on top of the mental stack of her high/ low staircase mixups, continuous pressure, and insane Magneto style movement. She was so frustrating to deal with even Izanami mains didn’t try to defend her.
We need more LK and punk content! These two are straight up different versions of each other from different universes, I love seeing them do work together
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I know Mitsuru 5A was in the other video, but my locals recently had a team tournament where we randomly played old, unpatched, no DLC or game unlocks fighting games on the PS3. When Vanilla P4A got pulled our winning strategy was to tell our player to pick Mitsuru and mash 5A. It worked lol.
this sounds like a super fun event for a local, kudos to your scene
@@5512mt We're hoping to do a PS2 version in the future. Get some people playing Super DBZ or something.
This was a fun episode! Great choices on both sides.
I'm legit surprised Punk didn't say Jinrai Kick, OD Amnesia or Honda Headbutt. Dee Jay's sway makes sense though because of how hard it counterplays Punk's footsie and neutral centric playstyle.
I think Jinrai is getting solved in terms of defense. Less and less people are caught off guard by me doing medium jinrai, and even less are letting light jinrai rock without Drive Impacting me before I finish. It is dope and powerful but the counter play is coming along
All of those are strong but older games were DEMONIC in comparison
This was a great collab, I loved it!
I was also a Rachel Pumpkin enjoyer - That thing was amazing. So much fun, absolutely opened up Rachel rushdown. Granted I always complained about Jin and his ice waggle mechanic. I am pretty sure I annoyed the hell out of the BB Rizon chat with all my complaining from a state of such privilege.
Yeah craziest thing about Rachel's pumpkin is activating it is completely animationless, and she can just keep activating it as long as she has wind meter. Cracked move.
Good video. I love the FGC collabs.
Thank you LK for placing the ad at the end, made me watch it out of respect
They kinda gave the pumpkin back with Izanami's bits. She does a similar thing with projectiles, but she has to go into a mode where she can't block to do them. It's debatable how fair this tradeoff is.
I'm surprised Rachel's pumpkin took this long to show up lol. You could pumpkin into jump forward, and just like that you're doing a full screen jump in whilst they're locked down by the damn fruit. I don't think I've ever felt such a drastic change in how a character plays than when they took the pumpkin away.
Also, the wind ability itself probably belongs on the list of overpowered moves. I genuinely think it might be one of the most powerful tools any character has ever had in any fighting game, it's versatility and range of effects is actually difficult to quantify 😅
This collab is the 2 absolutely undisputed best 2nd place finishers in the FGC
I miss vanilla Rachel, besides Pumpkin, j2c cancels is the next biggest thing they took away. Rachel went from a full screen rushdown character to just a zoner after taking away so many things that's cool about her.
Man, Punk just has such a smooth, chill vibe about him. He sounds like being in a good mood is just part of who he is. Something about the tone of his voice, you can hear the smile.
until he enters a tournament
hes soo funny when he pops off though 😂
Yeah, except until he gets autistic rage buff when things aren't working how he thinks they are supposed to.
@@blooddumpster3427yea he definitely hasn't watched him play.
Punk goes deep into the salt mines at times. Like this is the "worst" player I've ever played or when complaining about a mechanic
Lovely collab you guys both bring such high energy to the community 💯
What a collab 🤩
Happy Chaos, Zero, Lab Coat Android 21, Vergil, SF4 Elena, Beowulf: " *IM NOT GONNA SUGARCOAT IT* "
Can someone tell me what's that song in the background from? When punk talks about the first move in the video. It's on Project Diva, but I don't know where it's originally from
The deejay one is so true 🤣🤣
great vid! punk was a great call.
13:47 Oh yeah, Impish Gypsophila, aka pumpkin, is such an inconspicuously powerful move. It looks like nothing, but then you realize that once it's out, you can't really play the game anymore until it's gone. Crazy stuff that i wish they put into BBTAG lol, would've fit right at home.
Bonus : 15:46 in BBCT, i'm pretty sure that move is jump cancellable, so double 50/50s. J.2C was CRAZY good.
J2c was also an overhead lol
@@friendshipcreed It still is. It had absolutely no landing recovery though. They don't make'em like they used to!
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As a Marisa player, Punk is 200% spitting for calling Dee Jay's sway a fucked up move
I was that El Fuerte player. He started sucking around the time FADC really got explored more.
4:30 DJ Sway is so busted, I don't know why it's not talked about more. Basically at any point if you try to poke him or hit him with anything, he can just throw out a sway and get a full combo, it's Luke's suppressor on steroids and HGH, it's bad enough trying to reach DJ due to his normals. And drive rush into sway is why I want them to totally remove special cancels early off DR, it's like you reacted accordingly and are still getting punished.
Pretty much the only way to punish it is to pre-emptively forward jump or neutral jump, which is kinda dumb. It's like you have to use stupid tactics to fight a stupid move.
There's a staunch lack of Xrd bacchus sigh/mist finer on this list. Johnny was so fucking frustrating to fight in Xrd.
Punk collabs stay hype
For anyone who really wants to see the absolute madhouse that is El Fuerte, I highly suggest you check out the money match of Pepeday vs Pro Fluke. They even do the El Fuerte Mirror Match Salute!
I want skin like LK when I grow up.
It baffles me that you're even able to find versions of FighterZ where Kid Buu is even remotely as much of a threat as he used to be, all of his moves are quaint in comparison to the Jiren 2Ls, Beerus 2Ms, SS4 5Ls, GT 214Ss and what have you. I have no idea where you're getting your FighterZ data from but believe me when I say I WISH the moves you were talking about were the biggest thing we had to watch out for.
To this day I still have no idea how cross up Buu- Ball made it through play testing
Punk just be playing with chill vibes most of the time lol he that guy
Rachel's pumpkin is amazing lol
Punk is fried he must of hit him up right after, the eyes never lie lol
LK kinda has a little Guts thing going on, I like it
El Fuerte Mr Runaround himself
El Fuerte doing a Melee Fox thing
I'd love for you to do another of this episode with sonicfox or k&m for some NRS garbage.
I definitely would have brought up 3s Chun CrMk
I wonder if they will do anything with DJ
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ngl in my whole time of playing p4au I never had issues with manazuki but almost every one of ken and koromaru's moves have managed to just end me. probably a mu thing but I have grown to hate that dog with a passion (:
I need to know if punkdagod was playing mcv2 online back in the 2000s...
What happened at 10:47? Or was that just me?
Tekken 1 King DF1. So busted it was better to eat it than to block it.
Nice and professional
How did LK play a dbfz season 1 version with bardock?
I thought it was a phase bro is actually aging in a unorthodox way fam
As a cp Rachel main I will always appreciate pumpkin carrying my ass
Are those Persona games still active? They look pretty fun.
Lack of NRS games in this video is criminal lmao
Sajam blessed us with the NRS jank
i think punk is high during this recording
Kid Buu has been my third main for my past 1300 hours in the game, and I have to heavily disagree. There's nothing broken or unfair about that move.
Even though I can’t play the game, I know that Sento in Mk1 is broken. It just invalidates like all of the cast
´now THAT's what i like to see.
Where is C Roa’s orbs
Nice
Hey lord knight if u see this make a video on how sol badguy 5S in strive needs to be nerfed (p.s. if 5S did get nerfed who cares let’s nerf it some more)💫💫💫💫💫
c.S or f.S?
That Punk feature price must be expensive. I'm used to these being like 40 mins long. Bro must charge by the minute
Unpopular opinion, but, I don't care. Bring El Furte back.
Punk want that dude dj NERFED
Tbf I want him nerfed too, all my offline SF6 tournaments I lost to DJ smh
Deejay is the strongest in sf6... NO LIE!
Sway is ridiculous fr.
Wow, you guys are so new school, really strange picks for me
you could rename this series to "moves that carry their mains" and it would b just as accurate. might be more accurate 💀💀💀
He damn near is a god
PunkKnight
Kid Buu is still "good" - just not in comparison with the rest of the cast and the current state of neutral.
Yoooo punkk
Lol punk trying so hard to get Deejay nerfed.
can you do one of these with a smash bros player? would love to hear the discussion between yall
2 fgc goats 🫡
Kid buu is really not good anymore because mix isn't as relevant as it used to be, and he doesn't have a neutral skip. Why bother going for a mixup, when you can two touch your opponent' midscreen with an ex move? After that, all you need is level 3 mix and you're golden. Meanwhile, what good tools he does have are overshadowed by things like upward beam that can cancel into supderdash even on whiff, moves that delete/ignore all projectiles and assists, or invincible lariats.
Kid buu is a fundamentally good character, but he didn't receive any of the power creep that the rest of the cast got. Low damage, high execution, no neutral skips, his pressure is only average now and he only offers mix. Which, you honestly don't need that badly since GO1 stopped playing
Punk is more famous for no manners than he is for SF tho why you downplaying his ego like that at the start LK he's gonna cancel you on the X.
Why does LK have grey hair
Vitiligo
Complaining about deejay sway? Thats a paddlin
Lk you look tired
never heard "burf" before you said it so you've now only increased its circulation. sorry
Wth how old are you bro? You look and sound young but your hair says 49
poop
:)
Bro why you the only one still talking about Pre Patch DBFZ? My boy you are talking about season 3. Season 3, that was years ago we've had like 3-4 LARGE patches since then. Stop the kap.
This is a fg history vid, the move was broken, so I put it in.
If a move got changed, am I not allowed to talk about how it used to be or what made it good? Remember that we learn history because we must not forget 🙏🏾
because honestly this is more fun to talk about broken than anything lab 21 has lol
lol thats not even season 3 😂😂😂 look at the ki meters. if ur gonna hate at least know what ur talkin bout
El fuerte was the shit. But dobt worry about sf6. Its trash.😂😂😂😂