This is all about perspective. Ray wanted to go to a younger championship team and he was beefing with Rondo and the organization. KG felt betrayed he went to the rival. Quite easy to understand both sides
Agreed. But since they were the public enemy #1 , their biggest rival at the time & the team that just took them out of the playoffs the year before…he could have just left and went to a different instead . To get away from rondo & the organization. He colloid have went to Orlando or the lakers or OKC or Chicago…. He took less money too which was always kinda disrespectful to the Celtics guys
KG wasn’t mad at Boston trying to trade him though. If you try to trade me anywhere when I’m a free agent I can go anywhere I want. The organization didn’t show him no loyalty so why do he owe loyalty to them?
@@Iconic486how do you know KG wasn't mad? Out here speculating and trying to make your opinion fact..KG having his back could have played a part in why they didn't trade him...stop speculating and stick to what you know to be true my boy...
Being a longtime Boston fan, I couldn’t stand the trade either. Ray has always been my favorite player ever, and I was blessed enough to watch him play live in both a Celtics jersey and Miami jersey. I’m also happy that KG found it within his heart to move past what once was to what is current today. Nothing but love to all the guys that brought us fans some fond memories from the C’s
That Celtics vs Heat rivalry was real back in the day. KG ain’t lying. Those were great games to watch. You could feel the intensity through the fucking tv. As a Celtics fan, those might have been my favorite games to watch of all time. KG, Pierce, Ray Allen, Rondo vs Lebron, D Wade, Bosh ect. That was as good as it gets.
Bulls Celtics rivalry was better in my opinion . If I remember correctly they had a playoff series where like half the games went into OT and some even went double OT
@@css1741stop w that narrative. Boston was a powerhouse. And the Heat couldn't get past them early on. Until father time and injuries catches up w/ the Celtics, only then the Heat can finally defeat them
@@lauramalik5156 Unforgivable would be like rape or murder. Signing a contract when yours has expired is called doing business. No crime has been committed by Ray Alan. KG was immature. He grew up an realized he was 100% WRONG.
1. Ray stayed in trade talks. He wanted to settle in Boston, but seeing how he was in all the trade rumors, he wasn't trying to relocate or be separated from his family. 2. They started reducing his role, especially once he came back from injury. They even went as far as trying to have him come off the bench after reassuring him he'd be starter when he got back. 3. They let the Rondo feud fester without resolving it. With all that considered, are you really surprised? He took less money to control his own destiny. I don't knock Ray at all. He owed them nothing after how they started to treat him. Plus he hit arguably the biggest shot this league has ever seen outside of Magic's baby skyhook. Put some respect on that man's name.
@MrDarkx1000 who gives AF if he went to Miami or not. It wasn't KG's shit being fucked with, so no one cares how he felt about it. Ray mainly made that move with his retirement in mind and to stay close to his family. If Ainge and Doc don't mismanage the situation, Ray retires a Celtic. Don't act like you love me now when I'm halfway out the door.
Understood, but Ray looking at cribs in the playoffs against them is wild though. As a passionate leader, I’m sure that turned KG off even knowing everything he knew.
@@marby.you've never been in a locker room in your life or played real ball outside of the playground or your local park huh? Cause this comment has don't know what's it's like to play for your teammates or that bond between theee those 4 walls...Doc and Ainge are organization members but KG, Pierce, Rondo, etc etc that's where the real love and "loyalty" to some degree resides...you wouldn't understand where KG is coming from if you've never seen it or been through it
I get all sides but Ray looking at cribs in the playoff against Miami is wild as hell. I understand KG’s side even more so now. I don’t know any leaders going to that shit.
It's a brotherhood thing. You go to war as brothers you completely have each others' backs. The bond in the Celtics was also super strong because they lived together when they did tours out of the US etc. There was some beef between Rondo and Ray Allen though. KG takes this more seriously than most though, right from childhood. His bond with his mentors is still very strong, and he still breaks down whenever a question on the death of his teammate Malik Sealy comes up. Long story
i always said that Kobe tragically passing messed up the basketball ecosystem!! i think chuck,ej and kenny wanted to retire and tnt would have brought in kobe for him and shaq to build on for the next 10 years instead of dwade!! they also would have probably phased in kg in area 21 and probably tmac…would’ve been fire!!
Man i miss 08-14 them years was great boston lakers and miami with dallas winning one and san Antonio still going strong on they twilight of they stars
damn I didn't know in the middle of them being in a playoff series against the Heat Ray Allen was looking for homes in Miami because he knew that was an option... crazy.
I hope so too, because I get sick of all the ignorant comments that side with Ray Allen. People are so reactionary and choose to remain dumb, rather than actually understand why what Ray Allen did was one of worst things ever for basketball fans outside of Miami.
@@lauramalik5156 I actually like the move being a Lebron fan lol. It was one of the first moves that started this trend today. Now the way he left was questionable considering they were friends and could’ve at least said something
This is also why KD got so much hate (till today) for joining Goldenstate. They beat him and came back from 3-1 against him and he still joined them. It wasn’t a good decision
It was more because they were literally the winningest regular season team in NBA history before he linked up with them and it just made them unbeatable
Listen: the new NBA is different, when Lebron went to Miami and succeeded kd and other superstars felt comfortable with it. kD never goes to GS if Lebron never leaves Cleveland. I'm actually glad I was able to witness a perfect basketball ball team with golden state. Poetry in motion
@LilBoSkeetE85 it's not that KD joined a super team like LeBron did, it's he joined the team that BEAT HIM lol imagine if LeBron joined the big 4 Boston Celtics in 2010? That would be much worse than joining the heat lol
Gotta remember too this was when teams didn't like each other. Pierce and Garnett weren't going out to dinner with lebron and dwade after the playoff games. But I can also understand rays side of looking at the Celtics with aging players vs heat with a core in their prime. Plus rays shot to save that game for Miami will forever be in fans minds (or atleast should be) . Just another "what if" in sports, what if pierce, Garnett and Allen got together 4-5 years earlier? I believe they were all 32/33 when they got together? And most great players that wait that long to change teams don't work out in winning a title. Russ, harden, Barkley, and on and on.
@@GrimReaperKeeper "Avery Bradley wasn’t even worth the controversy" You know nothing. Avery Bradley wouldn't let you dribble without being in your face. I still remember Jameer Nelson getting pissed off because Avery wouldn't let him dribble across the half court line. He was like "Hey, WTF are you doing? Back the fock up!" Avery Bradley was a pest. Every opponent hated him. Why? Avery was playing that high school and college defense that players stop doing when they get to the league. They got accustomed to not seeing that defense being played then Avery reminded them.
Y'all forgot that they was trying start Avery Bradley and told Ray to come off the bench if he signed back. It felt like everyone was against or didn't like ray in Boston. That's a shame because he gets glowingly and upstanding praise everywhere else he played
1. Ray allen gave up the most out of the big 3, he averaged 20 points per game for 10 straight seasons until boston, where he became klay thompson and completely play without the ball 2. Ray allen was constantly coming up in trade rumors right after the 08 championship when KG and Paul was not (you would know if you were around at that time) 3. Ray allen had beef with rondo and he needed rondo to pass him the ball because they want him to play without the ball, then they put ray allen on the bench 4. Ray allen is the oldest player among the three (but he was in the best shape) 5. Enemy or not doesnt matter anymore, Boston had its very last chance against the HEAT and they just couldnt do it in game 7, then its not the enemy anymore 6. at that stage of his career there is no point to go to a non contender if he doesnt feel like retiring in boston, the HEAT gave him less money but showed him how they would use him and appreciate his ability to help the team win, his is what a basketball player wants to hear, and he did helped the heat win with a miracle shot and made him an important piece in the title run
Man the Heat would have been 1-4 during that run if they hadn't added Ray Allen for that 2013 season! Crazy to think about how stacked the Heat were. Three top 10 players in the league with the best 3 point shooter of all time at the time.
@@lauramalik5156 You can call it what you want but where was Garnett leadership skills at when he knew Ray Allen and Rondo were beefing; along with he knew Ray felt some kind of way about Doc Rivers having him come off the bench. Did Garnett speak up then, but when the man leave, he has a lot to say. Also, Garnett is the one to talk about players leaving teams when he practically forced his way out of Minnesota because he couldn't beat Kobe, Duncan, and the Suns back then. Why did KG want to go to Boston to build a super team back then? Hypocrisy at its finest!
@@marcc.5535you're a 🤡 gotta love casuals like you that call that boston team a super team even tho they were literally all over 30 when they got together. Mfs just love throwing that word around. Wasn't even used back then.😂😂
@@marcc.5535 I agree with you on the first part about KG's leadership. Your second paragraph you are wrong and you do not know how the Celtics got KG. The Celtics were after KG in 05-06 (two years before joining Boston). KG didn't want to go to Boston. Pierce had a foot injury the year before KG joined. As Pierce was out due to injury, Danny Ainge told Pierce that he was going to be traded or he was going to get a second star to help out. KG was on the trade market since KG opted out, Minn didn't want to lose KG in free agency and they were basically replacing KG w/ Al Jefferson. KG vetoed a trade to Boston again because he did not want to go to Boston. KG was looking at LA or Phoenix. But KG stopped interest in the Lakers because Kobe was demanding a trade. KG looked at the Mavs and Warriors, but they didn't have enough to make the trade work. Pierce DID NOT recruit KG because he felt KG was going to stiff him the same way Baron Davis and Allen Iverson did. Ray Allen had a bad injury so Seattle was looking to trade him. Boston got Ray Allen, which attracted KG. And that's how the Big 3 was formed. KG wasn't looking to form a superteam. It just happened because they were aging stars coming off injury and all three players were on the verge of being kicked off their teams for younger talent.
@@MikeBNumba6 Garnett did not want to sign an extension with Minnesota and threaten to opt out because he "could not win" He missed the playoffs 3 straight seasons and he was frustrated with losing. Therefore, he was looking to form a "superteam" As you indicated, he wanted to join Kobe. Now, what alpha male superstar want to run to another star team to help them win? Lebron and Kevin Durant catches heat from doing that all the time when the fact of the matter is, KG did the same. Kevin Garnett even reached out to the Phoenix Suns looking for a trade when they had Nash and Amarie Staoudamire. Garnett "said that himself" in an interview. You can look it up, its out there. Bottom line is KG didn't win in the west due to studs like Tim, Kobe, and the Suns. So, he wanted to join another star to give him a better chance to win. But, KG has a problem when someone else does the same. He talked about Lebron when he went to Miami. You can look that up to, its out there. Ray Allen did what was best for him when he left Boston for Miami just like KG did what he thought was best for him left Minnesota for Boston.
KG was one of my fav players-hell they all were as it was my childhood. Can’t tell someone how to feel but I never agreed w/him. Y’all won, they didn’t want to pay Ray. He earned the right to go anywhere damn where. It’s a JOB!
The Celtics put Ray on the trading block multiple times and benched him. Why was he expected to stay loyal to an organization that showed no loyalty to him?
Celtics-heat rivalry was cool but i think the drose bulls-Celtics rivalry was the best in my young lifetime. Every game was a BATTLE rondo and rose were dogs!!
I don’t know the exact year but I think it was 2009. That “first round”playoff series with those multiple overtime games is one of the best “first round” series that I’ve seen.
@@spoonthetrack7643 it was around that time but yes! Loved that series. Don’t see that type of intensity now a days. There wasn’t crazy floor spacing and wide open 3s like now a days. It was a BATTLE and every point was earned. Great basketball to watch
Ray did exactly what he was supposed to do. They think he supposed to care about everybody else feelings when they didn't care about his. Business goes both ways.
@@lenorencepayton6879 So Ray supposed to not go get another ring because they don't like it? Paul and KG were the ones doing the talking after he left. It's only sports where people are expected to stay and be happy where they're not wanted. You would never tell your kid to stay in a place that doesn't value you.
I dont know what went on behind closed doors. I understand Ray doing that to the Organization. But him doing that to his "boys" his "riders"... They shouldn't have had to be affected by what they didnt have control over. That was the part that was trash. That was the most low down disgusting move. But I also understand Ray's side as a man. As Boston fan that was messed up
Now that it's been proven that the Celtics organization has no loyalty, I wonder if people look at that whole situation differently. No ray Allen, no. Championship. Yet they wanted to trade a top tier player
Ray was not getting good minutes in Boston , and there was talk about him being relegated to the bench if I remember correctly 🤔 he and rondo did not see eye to eye … why didn’t them guys do anything about that ?
His ankle issues had come back and he was in and out of the lineup, if memory serves. That's when avery bradley emerged as a legit player, especially defensively. Started taking those minutes. That was the beginning of the end
People will never understand that Ray going to Miami to play with Lebron is the equivalent of Klay going to Cleveland, Mchale going to the Lakers or Worthy going to Boston. Ray tried to use the excuse that Rondo didn't like him or pass the ball to him (which is total bullshit) when in actuality Rondo saw his departure before anyone. Ray was ring chasing plain & simple because he knew he didn't have much longer in the league...
This is foolish. Boston tried to trade/move on from Ray for 2 years. When they do it, it's business. When the players do it, now he went to the enemy. He was a free agent, a vet. Why would he not attempt to put himself in the best place to win a championship..🤔🤷🏾♂️ he came from a winning organization.
It's the way he done it. Like KG said, he was looking at houses and stuff already knowing it's a chance he could go and he didn't let his guys know. Like at least tell ya homies you thinking bout leaving
@@richierich4330 I would understand. If there were reports of KG/Pierce telling the front office to remove Ray in those trade rumors. But ultimately Ray needed to do what was best for him and his family. He doesn't owe anyone anything. Similar to when Kyrie wanted out if Cleveland. This is pro sports/business
@aaronhutchinson885 I agree with you. I'm pro player. Do what's best for you. All I'm saying is if you my guy and you thinking bout leaving, let ya boy know. Forget the organization, we talkin man to man stuff
So what he went. Y’all didn’t value Ray enough to pay him & y’all wanted to bench him. On top of that, y’all didn’t back him up to get paid to stay or start. Other options he had wasn’t contenders. So he too the best option.
That’s false. The Celtics offered him more years and more money. When he got injured the year before Avery Bradley took his starting role at shooting guard and when he came back he felt some type of way about that and then in the off-season when they knew he wasn’t going to return they went and signed Jason Terry
Bro The Big 3 Celtics Heatles and D-Rose Bulls Was Some of the Best Ball the NBA Presented They held down the early 2010's..None of them fucked with each other Lol
thanks for explaining the beef thanks for listening to Paul Pierce advices..... Above all its sports you and Ray Allen are true champions Remember Magic did say he was sorry to what happen to Isaiah Thomas he wept and embrace him publicy as a sign of reconciliation Yeah Paul piece is right (covid pandemic, passing of Kobe........;) all these moments of life should help you to put things in perspectives Please mister Garnet finds you bro Ray Allen one day and around a coffe or a tea make peace
KG’s a cool dude. I ran into him at the mall in Greenville SC when I was about 9 and he bought me a jersey and a poster and signed it. Btw KG he went to high school here (Mauldin HS) and grew up here, before transferring up north.
Lotta bron fans in these comments taking up for Ray because he saved Lebrons legacy with that shot . Yall ain’t fooling nobody. What ray did was some sucka shit period.
SAS only asked that question in the beginning to comfort his ego. "Am I right?" is the typical phrase of people who need confirmation so badly for their ego
ray allen was a bitch to leave a team of his peers- and join their literaly only rival in the same conference. really never liked him since then. whatever beef you have- those celtics vets were LOYAL - and you know how KG is- he bleeds loyalty.
People don’t seem to understand beef. It’s not a petty dislike, it’s actual serious animosity. It’s thrown a lot and downplayed and overused today, but beef is serious. So when KG says they were beefin’ with Miami in a gangbangin league it wasn’t a competitive angst, it was damn near war
I miss when the league was like this. People picked a city, a team, and they stayed. The hate for rivals was real. Lebron really changed all that woth his "decision". He's done a lot of good for basketball but that's one contribution that was terrible
How can you say Lebrom changed that when that’s literally part of the Rivalry days you miss? That move created the rivalry and Boston literally did it first. KG left Minnesota to go there and that was Ray Allen’s 3rd team. Most players don’t even have the power to stay where they want. Ask Derozen, Holiday and IT about that. Then he went up against the warriors 4 years in a row and another time with LA. He’s literally responsible for all the high profile rivalries since the decision
You been his friend since childhood and you gonna let a business decision that doesn't even impact you much ruin a friendship? Doesn't sound like you're much of a friend.
It's safe to say KG still ain't over it I feel like in a way he forgave them but at the same time it's like you're not God I think he needed to release that anger for himself I don't think that they're friends I don't think that he's inviting Ray out to his house so like I said it's safe to say he ain't over it KG got real disrespectful because he's one of my favorite players of all time I don't care He's a straight dog phenomenal talent they don't make them like him no more but I just it got too deep and he just really got too disrespectful with Ray Allen and it it just got past the game for me and I understand not feeling him going to Miami okay BUT when they were retired he still kept it going man I can see when they were still playing you don't want to deal with RAY fine BUT It went too far and it is what it is I'm standing on business I'm standing on my opinion it is what it is KG needed the shit smacked out of him for how deep he went with the OUT RIGHT DISRESPECT TOWARD THAT MAN. CUZ AT THE END OF THE DAY SOME SHIT YOU DON'T COME BACK FROM!
I didn't get that last part...as a lakers fan..no he couldn't have...Celtics vs lakers is crips vs bloods....that's the last team he could have come to...especially after they whooped us to get a title..we been beefing with Celtics since magic and bird...Celtics and heat ain't really got the same type of beef..history...
Real people knows real people 💯. CERTIFIED KG for real. I’m with you bro. But I strongly disagree with the LA one. That’s rivalry as well. Even deeper than the heat. But I get it, west n east.
Listen big ticket I'm with you tbh your loyalty is unquestionable even with this podcast bro just u put everything thing into everything u have been r that we have ever seen u do big fella and the respect that u have throughout this league and from your piers and the young kats in this league is unquestionable n FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART IVE STUDIED U FROM DAY ONE BRO I MEMBER U WAS ON IPRAH WINFREY NIGGA YEAH BOY U WAS IN THE AUDIENCE N SHE GOT U UP N U TOLD THW WORLD U WAS GOING PRO.. bro jesus. Shuttles worth ain't have to do that bro his legacy was already set so was his generational wealth he was the first kd bozo of the league tbh hofer ab so fucking lutely but
First off...I'm on Ray's side no matter what. You're in this league to win. KG came to Boston to win. That's what it's about. But focusing on what Ray Allen said....he said his options at the time was either, Minnesota, Memphis or Miami. By the time it was decided that Boston wasn't going to pay him what he wanted....those were his options. Now who in their right mind would choose Minny or Memphis over Miami at that stage of their career. Argue all you want but the fact that he won another ring tells me he made the right call.
Let's take a look at this. Ray Allen goes to Miami and wins an NBA Championship in his first year playing with with the Miami Heat. I think he made a right decision.
![[FULL] Ray Allen on leaving the Celtics, missing Paul Pierce’s ceremony & KG snub | First Take](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-IQxIl1L328/mqdefault.jpg)
i’ve always loved KG’s honesty
"You're unquestionably white"
💯
This is all about perspective. Ray wanted to go to a younger championship team and he was beefing with Rondo and the organization. KG felt betrayed he went to the rival. Quite easy to understand both sides
Agreed. But since they were the public enemy #1 , their biggest rival at the time & the team that just took them out of the playoffs the year before…he could have just left and went to a different instead . To get away from rondo & the organization. He colloid have went to Orlando or the lakers or OKC or Chicago…. He took less money too which was always kinda disrespectful to the Celtics guys
I mean who wouldn’t wanna leave Boston and go live in Miami lol
The Celtics tried to trade him to Memphis. He said f y'all I'm going to Miami, now what.
KG wasn’t mad at Boston trying to trade him though. If you try to trade me anywhere when I’m a free agent I can go anywhere I want. The organization didn’t show him no loyalty so why do he owe loyalty to them?
@@Iconic486how do you know KG wasn't mad? Out here speculating and trying to make your opinion fact..KG having his back could have played a part in why they didn't trade him...stop speculating and stick to what you know to be true my boy...
"Bruh was down there looking at cribs"... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Ray Allen been plotting to dip!!!!!!!
They had been plotting to ship him the entire year. Good on Ray.
Being a longtime Boston fan, I couldn’t stand the trade either. Ray has always been my favorite player ever, and I was blessed enough to watch him play live in both a Celtics jersey and Miami jersey. I’m also happy that KG found it within his heart to move past what once was to what is current today. Nothing but love to all the guys that brought us fans some fond memories from the C’s
That Celtics vs Heat rivalry was real back in the day. KG ain’t lying. Those were great games to watch. You could feel the intensity through the fucking tv. As a Celtics fan, those might have been my favorite games to watch of all time. KG, Pierce, Ray Allen, Rondo vs Lebron, D Wade, Bosh ect. That was as good as it gets.
It's still here
@@snakeplay I know, but it ain’t like it was back then. It’s good now, but back in the day it was much more intense.
Bulls Celtics rivalry was better in my opinion . If I remember correctly they had a playoff series where like half the games went into OT and some even went double OT
Not really a rivalry if they was getting smacked lol
@@css1741stop w that narrative. Boston was a powerhouse. And the Heat couldn't get past them early on. Until father time and injuries catches up w/ the Celtics, only then the Heat can finally defeat them
Atleast he grown past the situation and they're back on good terms. That's all you can ask for out of them two.
KG I would say has gone above and beyond in forgiving someone who committed a damn near unforgivable act.
@@lauramalik5156 Unforgivable would be like rape or murder. Signing a contract when yours has expired is called doing business. No crime has been committed by Ray Alan. KG was immature. He grew up an realized he was 100% WRONG.
1. Ray stayed in trade talks. He wanted to settle in Boston, but seeing how he was in all the trade rumors, he wasn't trying to relocate or be separated from his family.
2. They started reducing his role, especially once he came back from injury. They even went as far as trying to have him come off the bench after reassuring him he'd be starter when he got back.
3. They let the Rondo feud fester without resolving it.
With all that considered, are you really surprised? He took less money to control his own destiny. I don't knock Ray at all. He owed them nothing after how they started to treat him. Plus he hit arguably the biggest shot this league has ever seen outside of Magic's baby skyhook. Put some respect on that man's name.
I agree
He’s only mad bro went to the Heat. Also this is K-motherfuckin-G. You think he doesn’t respect respect to the highest extent possible? 🙄
@MrDarkx1000 who gives AF if he went to Miami or not. It wasn't KG's shit being fucked with, so no one cares how he felt about it. Ray mainly made that move with his retirement in mind and to stay close to his family. If Ainge and Doc don't mismanage the situation, Ray retires a Celtic. Don't act like you love me now when I'm halfway out the door.
Understood, but Ray looking at cribs in the playoffs against them is wild though. As a passionate leader, I’m sure that turned KG off even knowing everything he knew.
@@marby.you've never been in a locker room in your life or played real ball outside of the playground or your local park huh? Cause this comment has don't know what's it's like to play for your teammates or that bond between theee those 4 walls...Doc and Ainge are organization members but KG, Pierce, Rondo, etc etc that's where the real love and "loyalty" to some degree resides...you wouldn't understand where KG is coming from if you've never seen it or been through it
Love him or hate him KG always been REAL af and that’s what I always respected about him
“Paul Pierce helped me get over it” yall swear Pierce some all time hater when he really just an all time great competitor
Didn’t Paul pierce get molested by George Floyd crew back in the day , or am I thinking of someone else ?
Good way to split these clips up Stephen A and the team... 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I get all sides but Ray looking at cribs in the playoff against Miami is wild as hell. I understand KG’s side even more so now. I don’t know any leaders going to that shit.
Yeah that the ultimate disrespect
Boston was shopping him all over the league for a couple years at that point.
@@RAZGR1Zexactly they just mad he did it without them 😂
I don't think he's fully over it
I wouldn't be surprised if he keeps notebooks full of past things that happened. He's so intense
It's a brotherhood thing. You go to war as brothers you completely have each others' backs. The bond in the Celtics was also super strong because they lived together when they did tours out of the US etc. There was some beef between Rondo and Ray Allen though. KG takes this more seriously than most though, right from childhood. His bond with his mentors is still very strong, and he still breaks down whenever a question on the death of his teammate Malik Sealy comes up. Long story
@JohnnytNaturalhas nothing to do with the a damn ring lol...he was pissed when he signed there and they hadn't played one game yet
KG can’t help but wear his heart on his sleeves. And he’s unapologetic about it lol
Living rent free!!!
KG should be on NBA today or something. The man’s basketball insight is supreme
i always said that Kobe tragically passing messed up the basketball ecosystem!!
i think chuck,ej and kenny wanted to retire and tnt would have brought in kobe for him and shaq to build on for the next 10 years instead of dwade!! they also would have probably phased in kg in area 21 and probably tmac…would’ve been fire!!
Truth
No man he should stick to his podcast because with him and Truth all you need is that and old man and the three with Tim Leggler and you're put on
@@VisionsFromAmarihow
@@VisionsFromAmari true. I could’ve seen that.
Man i miss 08-14 them years was great boston lakers and miami with dallas winning one and san Antonio still going strong on they twilight of they stars
Orlando was good too
damn I didn't know in the middle of them being in a playoff series against the Heat Ray Allen was looking for homes in Miami because he knew that was an option... crazy.
He was already checked out
He was calling out early 90s players on the hawks!!! 😂
Lmao, I didn’t recognize a single player Steven A was calling out.
Mookie Blaylock brought back mad memories 😂
Mookie, Steve Smith the man said the 2000's
I love KG. I hated Jesus Shuttlesworth leaving but he also has the right to go somewhere to win.
Who ? Horrible nickname
I sincerely hope this is the last interview about this. Them guys done moved on smh
I hope so too, because I get sick of all the ignorant comments that side with Ray Allen. People are so reactionary and choose to remain dumb, rather than actually understand why what Ray Allen did was one of worst things ever for basketball fans outside of Miami.
@@lauramalik5156 I actually like the move being a Lebron fan lol. It was one of the first moves that started this trend today. Now the way he left was questionable considering they were friends and could’ve at least said something
This is also why KD got so much hate (till today) for joining Goldenstate. They beat him and came back from 3-1 against him and he still joined them. It wasn’t a good decision
It was more because they were literally the winningest regular season team in NBA history before he linked up with them and it just made them unbeatable
Listen: the new NBA is different, when Lebron went to Miami and succeeded kd and other superstars felt comfortable with it. kD never goes to GS if Lebron never leaves Cleveland.
I'm actually glad I was able to witness a perfect basketball ball team with golden state. Poetry in motion
@LilBoSkeetE85 it's not that KD joined a super team like LeBron did, it's he joined the team that BEAT HIM lol imagine if LeBron joined the big 4 Boston Celtics in 2010? That would be much worse than joining the heat lol
You know what they say. If you can't beat 'em...
I miss that Boston team and I'm not even a Boston fan.
This uncut gems guy been killing it lately
Gotta remember too this was when teams didn't like each other. Pierce and Garnett weren't going out to dinner with lebron and dwade after the playoff games. But I can also understand rays side of looking at the Celtics with aging players vs heat with a core in their prime. Plus rays shot to save that game for Miami will forever be in fans minds (or atleast should be) . Just another "what if" in sports, what if pierce, Garnett and Allen got together 4-5 years earlier? I believe they were all 32/33 when they got together? And most great players that wait that long to change teams don't work out in winning a title. Russ, harden, Barkley, and on and on.
Ray was in trade talks as well and he got his mins reduced for Avery Bradely. But I feel KG. The one team you go to is the Heat lol.
KG Is Passionate And Real ..
"You unquestionably white" 😂
Always loved KG s Passion!
Lmao Dude was Stuttering. You know hes still feeling that.
Let's not forget. They wanted him to come off the bench for Bradley.
So? He didn't want to be a role player in Boston, but he was ok being one in Miami, your rival? That's a punk move, however one looks at it
@@comradeyellow6781Avery Bradley wasn’t even worth the controversy 😭 idk why it turned into this Shìt 😭😭
@@GrimReaperKeeperyou must be thinking about late career Avery Bradley because when he came on to the scene he was playing out of his mind.
@@GrimReaperKeeperyou drunk Bradley was straps
@@GrimReaperKeeper "Avery Bradley wasn’t even worth the controversy"
You know nothing. Avery Bradley wouldn't let you dribble without being in your face. I still remember Jameer Nelson getting pissed off because Avery wouldn't let him dribble across the half court line. He was like "Hey, WTF are you doing? Back the fock up!" Avery Bradley was a pest. Every opponent hated him. Why? Avery was playing that high school and college defense that players stop doing when they get to the league. They got accustomed to not seeing that defense being played then Avery reminded them.
Y'all forgot that they was trying start Avery Bradley and told Ray to come off the bench if he signed back. It felt like everyone was against or didn't like ray in Boston. That's a shame because he gets glowingly and upstanding praise everywhere else he played
1. Ray allen gave up the most out of the big 3, he averaged 20 points per game for 10 straight seasons until boston, where he became klay thompson and completely play without the ball
2. Ray allen was constantly coming up in trade rumors right after the 08 championship when KG and Paul was not (you would know if you were around at that time)
3. Ray allen had beef with rondo and he needed rondo to pass him the ball because they want him to play without the ball, then they put ray allen on the bench
4. Ray allen is the oldest player among the three (but he was in the best shape)
5. Enemy or not doesnt matter anymore, Boston had its very last chance against the HEAT and they just couldnt do it in game 7, then its not the enemy anymore
6. at that stage of his career there is no point to go to a non contender if he doesnt feel like retiring in boston, the HEAT gave him less money but showed him how they would use him and appreciate his ability to help the team win, his is what a basketball player wants to hear, and he did helped the heat win with a miracle shot and made him an important piece in the title run
Man the Heat would have been 1-4 during that run if they hadn't added Ray Allen for that 2013 season! Crazy to think about how stacked the Heat were. Three top 10 players in the league with the best 3 point shooter of all time at the time.
And than imagine Duncan tying up or passing up Mike
Fact is life's too short.
1:28 Mookie Blaylock, Steve Smith?? Correct me if I'm wrong, but SAS went a decade back in the timeline from the discussion. 😂
GARNET: “YOU ARE UNQUESTIONABLY WHITE.” 0:30 sec lolllllll
KG is right. I get players nowdays change teams like socks, but back in the days beef was beef, and going to your rival was considered backstabbing
It was honestly the biggest betrayal I can recall in recent memory outside of the KD move.
@@lauramalik5156 You can call it what you want but where was Garnett leadership skills at when he knew Ray Allen and Rondo were beefing; along with he knew Ray felt some kind of way about Doc Rivers having him come off the bench. Did Garnett speak up then, but when the man leave, he has a lot to say.
Also, Garnett is the one to talk about players leaving teams when he practically forced his way out of Minnesota because he couldn't beat Kobe, Duncan, and the Suns back then. Why did KG want to go to Boston to build a super team back then? Hypocrisy at its finest!
@@marcc.5535you're a 🤡 gotta love casuals like you that call that boston team a super team even tho they were literally all over 30 when they got together. Mfs just love throwing that word around. Wasn't even used back then.😂😂
@@marcc.5535 I agree with you on the first part about KG's leadership. Your second paragraph you are wrong and you do not know how the Celtics got KG. The Celtics were after KG in 05-06 (two years before joining Boston). KG didn't want to go to Boston. Pierce had a foot injury the year before KG joined. As Pierce was out due to injury, Danny Ainge told Pierce that he was going to be traded or he was going to get a second star to help out.
KG was on the trade market since KG opted out, Minn didn't want to lose KG in free agency and they were basically replacing KG w/ Al Jefferson. KG vetoed a trade to Boston again because he did not want to go to Boston. KG was looking at LA or Phoenix. But KG stopped interest in the Lakers because Kobe was demanding a trade. KG looked at the Mavs and Warriors, but they didn't have enough to make the trade work.
Pierce DID NOT recruit KG because he felt KG was going to stiff him the same way Baron Davis and Allen Iverson did.
Ray Allen had a bad injury so Seattle was looking to trade him. Boston got Ray Allen, which attracted KG. And that's how the Big 3 was formed. KG wasn't looking to form a superteam. It just happened because they were aging stars coming off injury and all three players were on the verge of being kicked off their teams for younger talent.
@@MikeBNumba6 Garnett did not want to sign an extension with Minnesota and threaten to opt out because he "could not win" He missed the playoffs 3 straight seasons and he was frustrated with losing. Therefore, he was looking to form a "superteam" As you indicated, he wanted to join Kobe. Now, what alpha male superstar want to run to another star team to help them win? Lebron and Kevin Durant catches heat from doing that all the time when the fact of the matter is, KG did the same. Kevin Garnett even reached out to the Phoenix Suns looking for a trade when they had Nash and Amarie Staoudamire. Garnett "said that himself" in an interview. You can look it up, its out there.
Bottom line is KG didn't win in the west due to studs like Tim, Kobe, and the Suns. So, he wanted to join another star to give him a better chance to win. But, KG has a problem when someone else does the same. He talked about Lebron when he went to Miami. You can look that up to, its out there. Ray Allen did what was best for him when he left Boston for Miami just like KG did what he thought was best for him left Minnesota for Boston.
Love KG Perspective On Ball. Homie Too Real.
KG was one of my fav players-hell they all were as it was my childhood. Can’t tell someone how to feel but I never agreed w/him. Y’all won, they didn’t want to pay Ray. He earned the right to go anywhere damn where. It’s a JOB!
The Celtics put Ray on the trading block multiple times and benched him. Why was he expected to stay loyal to an organization that showed no loyalty to him?
Celtics-heat rivalry was cool but i think the drose bulls-Celtics rivalry was the best in my young lifetime. Every game was a BATTLE rondo and rose were dogs!!
I don’t know the exact year but I think it was 2009. That “first round”playoff series with those multiple overtime games is one of the best “first round” series that I’ve seen.
@@spoonthetrack7643 it was around that time but yes! Loved that series. Don’t see that type of intensity now a days. There wasn’t crazy floor spacing and wide open 3s like now a days. It was a BATTLE and every point was earned. Great basketball to watch
They played 1 time? How is that a rivalry?
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😂😂 kg talking about his time in Boston and Stephen a brings up guys on the hawks from like the 90s
Ray did exactly what he was supposed to do.
They think he supposed to care about everybody else feelings when they didn't care about his.
Business goes both ways.
Ray Allen was a trader. He took less money to be a bench player for the heat.
Could of went anywhere else but he was being spiteful
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They had already tried to trade Ray several times before that. Why would be loyal to a teak that kept him on the trade block?
You say it like Paul and KG were the ones trying to trade Ray... They most likely had nothing to do with that. Ray was being spiteful.
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So Ray supposed to not go get another ring because they don't like it?
Paul and KG were the ones doing the talking after he left.
It's only sports where people are expected to stay and be happy where they're not wanted.
You would never tell your kid to stay in a place that doesn't value you.
I dont know what went on behind closed doors. I understand Ray doing that to the Organization. But him doing that to his "boys" his "riders"... They shouldn't have had to be affected by what they didnt have control over. That was the part that was trash. That was the most low down disgusting move. But I also understand Ray's side as a man. As Boston fan that was messed up
KG is the man
Now that it's been proven that the Celtics organization has no loyalty, I wonder if people look at that whole situation differently. No ray Allen, no. Championship. Yet they wanted to trade a top tier player
Looking at cribs is crazyyyyy 😂😭
I love KG 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
He was looking at houses when they were in Miami during the playoffs? I’m far from a KG but even that would bother me
KG stand on business
Did bro low key say "your unquestionably white lmao" 🤣
Ray was not getting good minutes in Boston , and there was talk about him being relegated to the bench if I remember correctly 🤔 he and rondo did not see eye to eye … why didn’t them guys do anything about that ?
You talking organization wise. KG is saying we boys at least come and talk about your moving on.
His ankle issues had come back and he was in and out of the lineup, if memory serves. That's when avery bradley emerged as a legit player, especially defensively. Started taking those minutes. That was the beginning of the end
People will never understand that Ray going to Miami to play with Lebron is the equivalent of Klay going to Cleveland, Mchale going to the Lakers or Worthy going to Boston. Ray tried to use the excuse that Rondo didn't like him or pass the ball to him (which is total bullshit) when in actuality Rondo saw his departure before anyone. Ray was ring chasing plain & simple because he knew he didn't have much longer in the league...
This is foolish. Boston tried to trade/move on from Ray for 2 years. When they do it, it's business. When the players do it, now he went to the enemy. He was a free agent, a vet. Why would he not attempt to put himself in the best place to win a championship..🤔🤷🏾♂️ he came from a winning organization.
It's the way he done it. Like KG said, he was looking at houses and stuff already knowing it's a chance he could go and he didn't let his guys know. Like at least tell ya homies you thinking bout leaving
@@richierich4330 I would understand. If there were reports of KG/Pierce telling the front office to remove Ray in those trade rumors. But ultimately Ray needed to do what was best for him and his family. He doesn't owe anyone anything. Similar to when Kyrie wanted out if Cleveland. This is pro sports/business
@aaronhutchinson885 I agree with you. I'm pro player. Do what's best for you. All I'm saying is if you my guy and you thinking bout leaving, let ya boy know. Forget the organization, we talkin man to man stuff
So what he went. Y’all didn’t value Ray enough to pay him & y’all wanted to bench him. On top of that, y’all didn’t back him up to get paid to stay or start. Other options he had wasn’t contenders. So he too the best option.
That’s false. The Celtics offered him more years and more money. When he got injured the year before Avery Bradley took his starting role at shooting guard and when he came back he felt some type of way about that and then in the off-season when they knew he wasn’t going to return they went and signed Jason Terry
And y’all still running with a fake narrative 😂. Ray literally settled for all of that in Miami
Facts
Stephen a. And KG need there own podcast! Ijs
Bro The Big 3 Celtics Heatles and D-Rose Bulls Was Some of the Best Ball the NBA Presented They held down the early 2010's..None of them fucked with each other Lol
A man can go where he wants to.
Ray Allen was a Beast period
thanks for explaining the beef
thanks for listening to Paul Pierce advices.....
Above all its sports you and Ray Allen are true champions
Remember Magic did say he was sorry to what happen to Isaiah Thomas he wept and embrace him publicy as a sign of reconciliation
Yeah Paul piece is right (covid pandemic, passing of Kobe........;) all these moments of life should help you to put things in perspectives
Please mister Garnet finds you bro Ray Allen one day and around a coffe or a tea make peace
This the same move KD did.. He learned this from Ray Allen
starting to like KG now
KG’s a cool dude. I ran into him at the mall in Greenville SC when I was about 9 and he bought me a jersey and a poster and signed it.
Btw KG he went to high school here (Mauldin HS) and grew up here, before transferring up north.
Lotta bron fans in these comments taking up for Ray because he saved Lebrons legacy with that shot . Yall ain’t fooling nobody. What ray did was some sucka shit period.
SAS only asked that question in the beginning to comfort his ego. "Am I right?" is the typical phrase of people who need confirmation so badly for their ego
Where part 2 @Stephen A. Smith
Ray Allen was wrong for that that's a trader kinda like what KD did. But it's more serious with the Ray Allen joining his rival.
So basically in a nutshell, Kevin Garnett thought he was the main character on the Boston team.
He was a main character on the team…
ray allen was a bitch to leave a team of his peers- and join their literaly only rival in the same conference. really never liked him since then. whatever beef you have- those celtics vets were LOYAL - and you know how KG is- he bleeds loyalty.
He literally joined the team eliminated him just 30 days after a game 7.
Movin like KD
People don’t seem to understand beef. It’s not a petty dislike, it’s actual serious animosity. It’s thrown a lot and downplayed and overused today, but beef is serious.
So when KG says they were beefin’ with Miami in a gangbangin league it wasn’t a competitive angst, it was damn near war
I miss when the league was like this. People picked a city, a team, and they stayed. The hate for rivals was real. Lebron really changed all that woth his "decision". He's done a lot of good for basketball but that's one contribution that was terrible
I 100% agree. That group of primadonnas from the 2003 NBA draft forever fucked up the NBA into the bitchass league it is today.
Yeah Lebron started the slut movement of players jumping from one team ro the other.
How can you say Lebrom changed that when that’s literally part of the Rivalry days you miss? That move created the rivalry and Boston literally did it first. KG left Minnesota to go there and that was Ray Allen’s 3rd team. Most players don’t even have the power to stay where they want. Ask Derozen, Holiday and IT about that. Then he went up against the warriors 4 years in a row and another time with LA. He’s literally responsible for all the high profile rivalries since the decision
To be honest Ray knew that Celtics window was closing.
Ray Allen was a homosexual he had a thing going on with Bosh, that’s why left Boston
Ray Allen was gay he had a thing going on with Bosh, that’s why left Boston
Ray Allen did it before KD did.
It's basketball. Not war
You been his friend since childhood and you gonna let a business decision that doesn't even impact you much ruin a friendship? Doesn't sound like you're much of a friend.
2010 Finals was the end and an NBA era. All that team shit went out the window.
The same people who give Ray Allen a pass are the same ones who’s scorching Durant. Hypocrites
miss that era
Stepehn A. really said Mookie Blaylock lol
Nahh bruh, he's not over that sht. They won a championship because of Ray, he's still in his feelings
That Championship team was nasty though, damn.
Damn. I didn’t know Ray was house shopping during the playoff series. Cold World
Looking at cribs during the playoffs is crazy 😂😂😂😂
Going to LA would’ve been worse. That’s the real rivals 😂
It's safe to say KG still ain't over it I feel like in a way he forgave them but at the same time it's like you're not God I think he needed to release that anger for himself I don't think that they're friends I don't think that he's inviting Ray out to his house so like I said it's safe to say he ain't over it KG got real disrespectful because he's one of my favorite players of all time I don't care He's a straight dog phenomenal talent they don't make them like him no more but I just it got too deep and he just really got too disrespectful with Ray Allen and it it just got past the game for me and I understand not feeling him going to Miami okay BUT when they were retired he still kept it going man I can see when they were still playing you don't want to deal with RAY fine BUT It went too far and it is what it is I'm standing on business I'm standing on my opinion it is what it is KG needed the shit smacked out of him for how deep he went with the OUT RIGHT DISRESPECT TOWARD THAT MAN. CUZ AT THE END OF THE DAY SOME SHIT YOU DON'T COME BACK FROM!
he can go wherever he wants, its his life and career
@kanajingly8957 then they should've made him want to stay in boston
Feel sorry for KG Ray Allen fell for the LeBron experience
I didn't get that last part...as a lakers fan..no he couldn't have...Celtics vs lakers is crips vs bloods....that's the last team he could have come to...especially after they whooped us to get a title..we been beefing with Celtics since magic and bird...Celtics and heat ain't really got the same type of beef..history...
Real people knows real people 💯. CERTIFIED KG for real. I’m with you bro. But I strongly disagree with the LA one. That’s rivalry as well. Even deeper than the heat. But I get it, west n east.
What's understood ain't gotta be explained
If KD do it it's a problem 😂
Listen big ticket I'm with you tbh your loyalty is unquestionable even with this podcast bro just u put everything thing into everything u have been r that we have ever seen u do big fella and the respect that u have throughout this league and from your piers and the young kats in this league is unquestionable n FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART IVE STUDIED U FROM DAY ONE BRO I MEMBER U WAS ON IPRAH WINFREY NIGGA YEAH BOY U WAS IN THE AUDIENCE N SHE GOT U UP N U TOLD THW WORLD U WAS GOING PRO.. bro jesus. Shuttles worth ain't have to do that bro his legacy was already set so was his generational wealth he was the first kd bozo of the league tbh hofer ab so fucking lutely but
Josh smith had some great times wit the hawks…I was at the game when he yammed on Steve nash…they played that clip like 8 times back to back 🤣
First off...I'm on Ray's side no matter what. You're in this league to win. KG came to Boston to win. That's what it's about. But focusing on what Ray Allen said....he said his options at the time was either, Minnesota, Memphis or Miami. By the time it was decided that Boston wasn't going to pay him what he wanted....those were his options. Now who in their right mind would choose Minny or Memphis over Miami at that stage of their career. Argue all you want but the fact that he won another ring tells me he made the right call.
This is how Draymond is gonna feel when Klay goes to the Nuggets.
Draymond gotta be the most overrated player in nba history
Let's take a look at this. Ray Allen goes to Miami and wins an NBA Championship in his first year playing with with the Miami Heat. I think he made a right decision.
Haven’t gotten over it and I won’t. F Ray Allen.
do not mess with KG!
KG even seem crazy during the interviews ahahahahahha
Reaction to Scott Foster-Chris Paul beef please 🙏
KG was 100% right
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