Advanced Note Taking in Tana with QCE!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 พ.ค. 2024
- In this video I show you a powerful note-taking system called QCE and how to set it up in Tana.
This system is based on Prof. Joel Chan's work:
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This looks awesome! I’ll just note a couple things about my own usage of QCE:
- Sometimes the topic of a question is another question. Sometimes claims support other claims. So generally just bearing in mind that although the general flow is Evidence -> Claims -> Questions, the flow isn’t exact.
- I like to have two numerical fields on my claims - credibility (how much I believe it) and importance (even if true, how much does it matter?). I don’t fill them out on every claim, and I don’t think calculations based on it are really the move. They’re meant to be little subjective guides. If I look at a claim in the future and realize my credibility score was all off, I know I should look at its connections to find ramifications.
- Each of the tags extend a #discourse tag so I can search all Discourse nodes with LINKS_TO a subject, so it will bring up inline references to the subject or references within fields of the discourse node
could you have some demo of schema?
It would be nice to show also how to combine the Zettelkasten approach with the QCE. Here we see how you have prepared a plain node called Synthesis indented in the #question. There is an interesting mapping exercise between reference/source notes, literature notes, zettels or atomic notes and cluster/hub notes.
QCE系统：Question + Claim + Evidence
江sir的理解：
1. Question是遇到的实际需要解决的问题。
2. Claim是找到的解决问题的方法（当然方法是来自于实践的，可以是他人总结的，也可以是你自己总结的。）
3. Evidence是找到的支撑Claim的的事实证据。
注：
1. 对于别人的Claim，即文献笔记，需要标注来源。
2. 支撑别人Claim的证据，也可以进行标记。
3. 自己总结的Claim，即永久笔记，需要标注参考的事实依据，别人的claim也可以成为你的依据。
With the power of supertag and search node, tana will be incredibly powerful.
I think so too!
Geez, that's a very sophisticated and clever system!
What is the difference between "to process for" and "to integrate for"? Also, does "integrated for" just mean "done"?
how do you utilize the sources to integrate and the integrated sources section, and the synthesis?
Thank you, this was a great walkthrough/use-case examples of ancestry, inheritance and auto-initialization, which were some of the trickier aspects for me to understand about supertags in Tana.
Been waiting for this!! 💛 Thanks Lukas!! 😊
Welcome!!
Thank you for your share.
can you give an example of how to use this? do you start within a source, or do you start taking notes within a question (given the topic tag)?
Excellent video. 😊 I’m looking forward to watching future videos using QCE.
Thank you!
I don't understand how to use the field 'Sources to integrate' & 'Integrate source'? What to do with these?
Awesome video! I'm mapping out a way to use my takeaways here to track encounters with my 12 favorite problems list.
Awesome!
Awesome video! Looking forward to a rehash of your galaxy brain course with Tana :)
Thanks! And yes, that's going to be fun :)
@@cortexfuturatools Looking forward to it. By any chance, are you adding these to the Tana Pattern Library?
Hi @cortexfuturatools, I just read through the paper that you linked to. Just to make sure I am understanding, what Prof. Chan calls "Observation" note, you call evidence, what he calls "Synthesis Note" you call a claim (since it is supported or opposed by the observation notes), is that correct? Prof: Chan even has a picture from his Roam notes where he writes "Synthesis Note (Claim)".
Hi Lukas! Why do you often times use lowercase tags ("quote") and other times sentence case tags ("Question"), etc? What is the rule or logic you are using to determine what case to use for each different purpose? Thanks
Will you update cite to write course using Tana?
Very interesting and compelling! Do you know when they'll share invitations a bit more broadly ?
They announced on Twitter that after a few weeks of backend work they're now going through the waitlist again - but the waitlist reaches (apparently) until 2021, and they are going chronologically. Hope they'll publish a number or something at some point :)
This does really show the potential of Tana! How superior is referencing, let's say claims, in an instance field instead of just block referencing with a @?
Great video! Thanks!
One question: it seems more straightforward to have a hierarchy of Topic/Question/Claim/Evidence with sources being the only thing outside of the hierarchy. How common would it be to have e.g. a question that cuts across multiple topics?
Depends on how you write the topics. You could have a question that covers both "Nuclear Energy" and "Government Regulation", for example :)
Great video! How do you handle conflicting claims? My current system doesn’t have evidence, only claims of various levels (where a highly likely claim is basically evidence) but they can oppose/support other claims.
I haven't implemented this yet, but I plan to add fields like "generalizes","contradicts", etc. that relate claims to each other and a field that tracks how likely the claim is in my opinion.
All optional so as to not overwhelm the process with admin
Do you know if there's a way to force Tana to reload, or more specifically, to force Tana to reload what a node inherits from a supertag? I seem to have encountered a glitch and not sure how to resolve it. After setting up the searches in the Question supertag like you showed, the first question only shows the first search (Synthesis Material > Related Claims), while the rest of the questions show all of the searches created in that supertag. I guess I could delete the node, re-enter it, re-tag it as a question, but then I'd have to go back throughout everything else that references it to re-enter it there as well. Hopefully I don't have to do that and there's a simpler method as that would be a headache to have to remember and do every time there's a glitch like that 😂
I’m using zettelkasten and also set up QCE…
Know I’m not sure what to tag as literature notes vs claims?
I figured it out. I use literature notes and claims separately. I read through literature notes or permanent notes and find claims, where I find a claim I tag it as claim.
I also use a quote tag however I make it an extension of literature notes because quotes can be literature notes although we try to avoid quoting too much.
I follow the same process when looking for evidence. read through literature notes (which includes quotes) and possibly permanent notes to find evidence which I tag as evidence.
I don’t understand the “sources to integrate” and “integrated sources” fields - what do they mean?
6:49 What's the distinction between "to process for" and "to integrate for"?
To process for -> read, take notes
Integrate for -> Relate to claims and question, "prep for synthesis" if you will
Can you demonstrate this for us to get a clearer example? I have implemented your suggestions but I’m only using “related claims”
For those wondering, QCE is an acronym for Question, Claim & Evidence. I always wish abbreviations where spelled out unless you know for sure that your audience already knows such info.
That makes sense - I do spell it out in the video at least :)
Might change the title too
Am I the only one who finds this whole structure overwhelming, thus discouraging note taking?
TL/DV; Introduces a note-taking technique called QCE (Question, Claim, Evidence) and demonstrates how to implement it in the note-taking app Tana.
QCE helps structure thinking and synthesizes information for a deeper understanding of any topic.
#### Highlights
- 📚 QCE (Question, Claim, Evidence) is a powerful method for note-taking.
- 🏛 Tana is a useful app for implementing QCE.
- 💡 QCE helps identify gaps in understanding and gather evidence to support or oppose claims.
- 🤔 Questions are the starting point for research.
- 💡 Claims are possible answers to questions.
- 📖 Sources provide evidence to support claims.
- 🔍 Live searches in Tana help organize and access related claims and sources.
Hi @cortexfuturatools, I just read through the paper that you linked to. Just to make sure I am understanding, what Prof. Chan calls "Observation" note, you call evidence, what he calls "Synthesis Note" you call a claim (since it is supported or opposed by the observation notes), is that correct? Prof: Chan even has a picture from his Roam notes where he writes "Synthesis Note (Claim)".