Why BTS Fans Don't Like KPOP | React
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ม.ค. 2023
- Honestly this is really stupid to say cause we army love bts we should love all kpop, to be honest the only reason that I love BTS is only because they are not kpop, I don't like Kpop at all.
They are true musicians with clear vision, strong words and mentality. Kpop is so shallow and no offense to anyone but I don't like pop music in general. As a musician I never saw them as a Kpop Idol but I saw them as young musician who know where they are going and at this time that I'm listening to reflection by RM I feel like he is a true legend when it comes to music, no Kpop idol had that impact on me, and I have to say I listened to a lot of Kpop artist on my own time and BTS is something else ;)
I'm so glad that they are here and we can listen to good music from south korea.
Hope you all are well
wish you the best army
Borahae
Cyrus ( Purple Hear )
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The only frustrating thing about stanning bts is trying to explain to K-pop stans that just because I don’t listen to other K-pop groups does not mean I only listen to bts
:DDDDDDD I feel ya
I think the main reason for the discourse is that many people use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.
You said it Cyrus 😊 the most frustrating thing is to explain to a k-pop gan that I don't stan k-pop. I am a BTS fan, that's it! It's their music. BTS are musicians, artists and not idols 💜 It's not that I haven't tried. In fact, my first exposure to k-pop was blackpink but within a day I was done with them because of their overwhelming visuals but nothing else. I listen to all kinds of music in all genres and all languages.
💯 Agree .. I always have to explain why I call myself BTS Fan Not K-pop fan. I might like a song or 2 from other groups. But that’s not being K-pop fan.
I also don’t like other K-pop groups trying to ride on BTS wave.
Same, I tried other groups but they just didn’t do it for me. The only group I listen to is BTS!💜
@@BTS_ismylife7 someone actually suggested that I was offending BTS by not listening to kpop because they are kpop too and it's an insult to Korea 🙄🙄 go figure 🤦♀️
@@pacificpacific that’s ridiculous because in my opinion BTS is not Kpop. Kpop to me is like she said in this video generic where it all sounds the same but BTS sounds nothing like other groups. BTS has pulled me in so much that 90% of my playlist is BTS lol. I just love their music so much I’m actually taking classes and learning korean because I know a lot gets lost in translation. I’m sure once I can understand Korean fluently I will love it even more. I never thought at my age (44) I would be buying merchandise for a group or physical albums just to display them because I don’t actually listen to the CD since it’s all on my phone.
@@BTS_ismylife7 @MT1978 OMGoodness you just said exactly how I feel 😊 I am a 45yo ARMY and I collect merch like my life depends on it 😁😁 BTS got me through the hardest phase in my life. Their music, content, merch is like my therapy 💜💜💜
After finding BTS 4-5 years ago (as a Texan who only recognized alt-rock as good music) and having them BLOW MY MIND, I immediately dove into KPop in general because I wanted to see what else I had been missing out on!!....Turns out, not much. I quickly realized that BTS' music and MVs were far different than the other 'big' KPop groups in Korea. With the other groups I was quickly overwhelmed with chaotic visuals, I didn't read interesting lyrics, and wasn't hearing interesting, new music. The music just was blah surrounding what they thought was a cool hard hook, but was (to me) just a boring 'same old, same old' hook. I still thought and hoped that TXT and Enhypen would be more like BTS when they debuted because they were also under BigHit - but quickly recognized that they were concepted like general KPop groups instead and I lost interest..... I don't really understand why KPop fans don't see just *how different* (and better) BTS' music and lyrics are compared to the other KPop stuff and why that difference truly drives BTS' success in the global field.
Even the company behind the next big kpop hope for global success on BTS' level - BlackPink - doesn't understand this difference, which is why their new album quickly fell. Even *I*, a non-Blink, was thinking they'd pay attention and get truly creative with the new album! But nope, they stuck with the same boring KPop formula and didn't learn a single thing from BTS' success 🤷♀️
I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree with some, sorry. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all.
ive also watched a little bit from other Kpop groups... but, honestly, I don't have time. I love BTS and there is so much content to see. If you are a general fan of a group, sure you might have time to follow other Kpop groups. But ARMYs are not casual fans. That's why, when I find a reactor who only checks out a BTS video once a week or less, I know he/she is just doing it to keep ARMY coming to the channel and to keep the numbers up, but is not a true fan of BTS.
Cyrus, I honestly can't keep up with your channel. So much content. I'm lagging behind. But I really do appreciate your intelligence and insight.
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
10:41 good lyrics are almost nonexistent. I am a person that can hear good lyrics even when language is different. Somehow the way it is delivered and how it hits ear is telling. Even if i don't know the language i look at lyrics and i prefer that my brain subconsciously receives good words and not some bullshit.
Actually RM also talked about importance of the lyrics and how they sonically hit your ears
I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
I listen to bts , ed sheeran, Tylor swift , Michael Jackson, Queen, camila cabello , Sia etc personally I don't consider myself a fan of one genre I'm open to try to listen that's why I became fan of bts by myself without no one's recommendation 😂💜 I actually give other kpop chances too but I stopped doing that 👀as said in the video I like very few songs and rarely listen to them 🤭
I found five non-BTS songs in total that I really liked and I then discovered that RM co-wrote one of them. I still haven't found a BTS song that I hated (weeell, maybe a questionable collab or two though. 😏)
@@imajinallthepurple there is no bts song I hate too
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS.
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
I’m glad BTS was my introduction to “kpop”, if it was any other group I wouldn’t have liked it at all, and I have tried to give a chance to other groups but nah, I always end up comparing them to my 7 boys, they are too unique while other groups are literally same :/
exactly i hav spent so much time to atleast learn abt the others members but i found out exhausting its funny cuz i hav watched the same bts taylor guide more than 25 times but couldnt even finish others guide. I just find it exhausting to listen to others or learn abt them .ill stick with tannies
I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
@@BAMMIE7613 I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
@@Kalakeiko i think u misunderstood im not saying there is no one with deep meanings or good music except bts im saying im cant get into others. i hav tried to get into many groups u mentioned nd didnt like any of them. As someone who dont people that much and find people very exhausting i only find comfort in the 7 boys. i have tried multiple songs from others nd tbh didnt even finish many of them nd tried multiple guides and didnt even get thru more than 10 mins. i just dont wanna spend my energy on something that exhausts me. its great for others who like multiple music but its not me so ill stick with my boys
@@BAMMIE7613 I respect your opinion, there's no problem in not liking certain genres and styles of music as long as the artists and the ones who enjoy it are still being respected and not dismissed as being untalented, uninspired, not passionate, meaningless or not having any taste.
It seems to me that the one who made the video and the comments look down on the entire genre of Kpop and like it is all the same and has no meaning or passion other than being flashy and trendy and that doesn't sit right with me.
I understand that the current generation of Kpop is into louder and more intense music and concepts that aren't everyone's cup of tea and I agree that it's a shame that many groups follow that trend almost exclusively.
Maybe you'll find another group that might catch your interest or maybe you won't and that is okay. If you want recommendations based on your interests and preferences in music, maybe I can help you find something, but it's only a suggestion.
I’m an ARMY who has 0 tolerance for Kpop . My playlist consists of BTS, Marvin Gaye, Stevie Wonder, CCR, Bruce Springsteen, Brian Adams, mostly groups from the 80’s. I tried listening to other idol groups after BTS and was totally disappointed in the lack of creativity, and every single one of these groups sounds just like the other, loud and noisy and everybody singing the same note with the same either dead faces or silly grins and lots of dark eyeliner. I really really dislike gurl groups. BTS is truly a phenomenon and that industry lucked out with BTS being Korean. Mind you this is just my personal opinion and to each it’s own at least I tried to like it but I don’t. Boracity Magazine is awesome. Any article she does is always factual intelligent and kind. I’m glad you reacted to her.👍🏽
I respect your opinion, but I have to disagree with some, sorry. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all and everyone worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now on their own.
I don't mind Boracity, but I feel like her videos generalise the entire genre of Kpop way too much and makes it seem like she's looking down at the artists and so do the comments and that doesn't sit well with me.
@@Kalakeiko Thank you, however I failed to mention in my comment that TXT and Mammamoo are the only other two groups I do like as they both have their own sound and do not sound like other Kpop groups. To me Mamamoo is the best girl group and should be #1 girl group. TXT have their own separate style which I do like but the rest of Kpop is definitely not for me for reasons already stated. I respect all of their hard work and efforts but I’m just not into loud, senseless noise with no substance. Some folks like it but they will never be part of my play list. Years ago I did listen to Big Bang but meh, SS501 was another group that had one album I liked, that’s about it. It’s all about personal taste. None of the groups have originality to me they everyone of them sound exactly alike just louder than the one before it. That’s just my opinion.🤷🏾♀️
@@happystansot7892 I respect your opinion, there's no problem in not liking certain genres and styles of music as long as the artists and the ones who enjoy it are still being respected and not dismissed as being untalented, uninspired, not passionate, meaningless or not having any taste.
I understand that the current generation of Kpop is into louder and more intense music and concepts that aren't everyone's cup of tea and I agree that it's a shame that many groups follow that trend almost exclusively.
Maybe you'd like groups like Shinee, EXO, WayV (technically C/Mpop but under NCT), BTOB, Seventeen, Got7, Astro, Treasure or the English releases of Monsta X for groups and Jonghyun, Taemin, Kihyun, D.O, Xiumin and Chen for soloists as suggestions, but only if you're interested and want to, NCT also has a lot of meaningful ballads and B Sides I'd recommend.
@@happystansot7892 that a bot channel run by k-pop stan
@@blossom6693 😂😂😂. That’s ok, it’s also said Army are bots also🤷🏾♀️
For me BTS is the only kpop i watched and liked the most, no one can compare to their talents and musics... BTS Forever💜
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
Actually, some of KPop groups prior to BTS did write some of their own songs tho.
But it wasn't a 'thing' eg something that was common or thought to be important. She never said it was not done ever but that it wasn't a thing which is true. It's was and still is extremely uncommon.
I highly recommend you to listen to THE ROSE it's a pretty good rock band. They also do their own stuff just listen to it and you'll see. On the other hand, there's some individual works like HWASA from the group MAMAMMO,, she is really good.
To be honest before BTS, I stan another kpop group. I just got into BTS when they released Boy In Love. If I compare them, BTS music is way much better. I'm not saying that other groups are not talented, but BTS music hit me differently. Until now I always stick to BTS. All their music is good. From debut until now.
Before I always wait for a new kpop group to debut, but after BTS I no longer make a new group to stan. It's always BTS and the only one.
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
You got it right... I dont listen nor watch other kpop idols except BTS.. i tried but nobody impressed me since i found BTS.
That union thing is the most absurd thing I have ever seen. And i'm into korean music since 2011. Still laughing to this day everytime people talks about it. ARMYs do well with or without kpopies. We are here to support BTS not to get involved with the childish people/community, if you like BTS you like BTS if not it's ok we will never force you to like them. Borahae 💜😁
I think the main reason for the discourse is that many people use the term Kpop as something to look down on, especially this video and the comments, and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.
I discovered bts 2 years ago and kpop also at the same time. At first, I was really excited to discover a new genre. But I quickly realized that I liked the rhythm of certain music like those of blackpink, g-idle, mamamoo or even txt. However, bts has accustomed me to a different style of music, with lyrics that comfort you, make you cry, and support you in difficult times. Because of that, almost all the kpop music I explored seemed meaningless to me. Maybe, if I hadn't discovered bts first, I would have enjoyed the kpop universe more without any particular expectations. But, because of my annoying habit of comparing other music to what our bts offered, I can't appreciate the kpop universe as a whole.
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
No one recommended BTS to me I discovered BTS by myself, I've discovered BTS at the most painful and depressing moment in my life, my world was crumbling down,I lost hope and gave up everything but then I started listening to BTS and watching their reality shows slowly I started seeing things different,I slept around 3am everyday trying to keep up with BTS, and My family started noticing that I've changed but in a good way and they like it, now I'm in a better place happy and peacefully, that's why I agree that they are not Kpop they are musians who touches and change lives for the better, once you start listening to BTS you don't stop you keep coming back for me that's how good they are
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS.
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
@@Kalakeiko I've seen lots of EXO, Big Bang, ATEEZ, Shinee, TXT, Dreamcatcher, etc.
And other Kpop acts like G-Idle, Seventeen, StrayKids, NCT, etc.
Even very old bands like Sechskies, H.O.T, etc.
They're good, but they have no ability to make someone like me who ain't even interested in Pop, Kpop, or music in general to make me interested in them.
@rafaelsmith5737 Is there a particular reason why, as in music genre, vocal or dance abilities, voice colours, etc.?
@@Kalakeiko You mean why their vocals, dancing skills, visuals, or just their songs in general doesn't appeal to me??
@@rafaelsmith5737 Yes, I'm curious if those particular artists just don't match your preference in music and/or performance or if it's something different.
That's true I'm fan of BTS only .. army forever 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
as a muli stan one thing that gets me is the fact that the video generalizes every kpop group by saying they have no choice in what they do and as someone who ults a group shown in the video which is very involved in everything the do its a little frustrating.
Sorry I am not great at wording things when writing but I will try)
I see what you mean. I think you misunderstand what she means. She wasn’t talking about the STK as a group or even just any one kpop group. She was still talking about the analogy using the basketball team to explain the Korean wave. Saying that the one scoring the most points (the team player) or in kpop the group with the most success or popularity is BTS and people pretty much want to kick out BTS or ignore them thinking that will not help all of kpop(which kpop is the team) when it doesn’t. It actually does more harm then good because the team members of kpop(meaning BTS in this context) was scoring the most goals. So they were back tracking and saying that BTS achievements are all of K-pop achievements, explaining the “Korean wave” which doesn’t really exist for kpop.
Hopefully this makes sense. Basically not saying STK’s themselves as the team but referring kpop in general as the team. “…when the players contributions are non existent”, she wasn’t meaning that each group or some groups don’t put their own work in their music/art but that saying BTS achievements are all of K-pop’s achievements and that adding most of the popular groups (the players) achievements still doesn’t make up close to BTS achievement. Not talking the groups itself as the player and their own contributions to their music but the team members contributions to achievements doesn’t have even add up to BTS achievements.
I see your points ...
Great reply my friend. I just didn't rewrite what you said
@@amberpearce710 I think the main reason for the discourse is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.
@@Kalakeiko no that isn’t what they are saying. I think most of it while seems directs at the idols it is directed at the companies that don’t give majority of their idol music freedom and are just given a song. (I do understand their at groups out their that do, but it is still is a small percentage). Majority of the idols are performers not artists. Yes majority are amazing performers and are talented, but being a performer can only go so far when doing music. Is it always the idols fault for this? No, a lot of the time it is the companies fault, which is projected onto the idol because they are faces of the company. It did say most ARMY are willing to like songs here and their from other idols. It isn’t that ARMY don’t try to listen to other groups, because most due but just can’t for many reasons but the main one is majority of groups’s focus are the visuals and dancing when most ARMY want the focus on the music first and then everything comes after (but ideally the performance be as nearly as important as the music). Is this the idols fault? I think in kpop, most of the time no. Most ARMY try and connect to other other idol’s music but can’t because of how visually focused they are over what truly is important, the music or when focused on the music it isn’t their taste.
Also I think it is amazing how experimental kpop is but I do think while it is amazing this also where it falls or most of the time doesn’t appeal to most ARMY. I can’t count how many kpop songs I have almost really enjoyed and loved but then they throw in a dance break or beat change or weird lyrics, it ruins the song for me personally (I am sure this is the same for a lot of ARMY). A beat or weird chants or even lyrics can make or break a song, especially beat changes.
Their are many reasons why kpop is appealing and many reasons for a lot of people (including a lot of ARMY) where it isn’t or falls short.
I am pretty open willing to listen to and group/idol and I have but most of the time I just can’t get into other groups. Yes, I agree they are talented and most of the time I get really impressed by the vocals sometimes the rap or even the sometimes the music videos are cool but their is more to music then just that…
Anyways I could keep going but I will stop here. Their are many appealing things with kpop but a lot of the things that are appealing can only go so far it the music alone doesn’t connect to people or as a full song sound good to people. Yes their are people going to like it, I mean the groups wouldn’t be still here if people didn’t but for most ARMY it isn’t for them. The companies have a lot of amazing talent but, in my opinion, aren’t doing most of the groups justice…I however also believe things are changing in kpop (especially since kpop is still a new market) and a lot of it for the good.
Pls keep in mind that this video itself is a LARGE generalization. Their are many different cultures, music tastes, personal preference, ect. so this isn’t the opinion of a lot of ARMY. Their are many ARMY that are multistans, etc.
I enjoy K-pop as a whole, it's catchy and I like it, but I'm only really drawn to "idols" that actually do participate in writing lyrics or music production. I just can't dive deep into a group that is handed their songs without any of their own input. It just gets boring after a while. It's been amazing though, because since BTS really blew up, some K-pop companies have been giving more freedom in writing and production to their artists. I truly don't think that another group or musician (k-pop or not) will be able to impress me with their artistry like BTS has, at least not for a VERY long time.
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
@@Kalakeiko Omg I like all of those groups too :) I think besides BTS my favourites are EXO, Big Bang, (G)-Idle, Dreamcatcher, Purple Kiss, TXT, Enhypen, Le Sserafim, New Jeans, Red Velvet, Mamamoo, Got7, Stray Kids, Shinee (I'm probably forgetting some others right now) but yeah. I was introduced to Kpop with Fantastic Baby by Big Bang and I Got a Boy from Girls Generation. I truly think that Kpop groups are insanely talented, I do wish some companies would allow their artists more freedom and involvement with their music though.
@@mikaylawilliamson5800 Awesome!! :)
The groups I listen to are TXT, NCT (all units), Monsta X, EXO, Ateez, Enhypen, Got7, Oneus, The Boyz, Stray Kids, Seventeen, BTS, Shinee, Big Bang, Super Junior, BTOB, Astro, Treasure, Dreamcatcher, Mamamoo, (G)I-DLE and Everglow and I do think that every group has very meaningful and emotionally resonating songs, especially in their B Sides once people give them a chance.
Now u totally understand how Army's feel about kpop industry lol 😂😂😘👏👏
The video makes some valid points, but I have to disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
Well said, Cyrus. And thank you for your honesty. Even the BTS' Lil brother and sister group under hybe fail to make me attached to their music.
yup you are right, even bangPD cannot make another BTS :P
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
@@Kalakeiko Will you please stop spamming
I agree with you about the MVs. I am normally introduced to new music during my commute, which is what got me attracted to BTS. No I can't understand some of the lyrics right away, but so much of the music is really incredible. I find that true about a lot of Korean music, such as Zico, IU, Balming Tiger, and some Stray Kids. But I don't find that true for most other KPop.
BTW, I do love the music videos, and I am so impressed with a lot of the performances, by BTS and others. But that won't get you a Grammy nomination without the music.
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
@@Kalakeiko I like hard jazz, old-style hip hop, punk pop, EDM. I like pop and rock mixed with jazz. I like interesting rhythms and melodies, not too much repetition. That's why I don't like everything BTS does and very little KPop. Right now I am obsessed with Zior Park and Fujii Kaze.
@@katesims8816 Interesting! I also listen to many different genres, especially rock, indie, traditional and experimental music and everything in between. Music is a huge safe space and comfort for me in any situation and mood. And I also really like Jpop and Kpop and I'm a fan of many different groups and try to follow and support them as much as I can. I also really love harmonies and layered vocals so SM artists in terms of Kpop are especially appealing to me, but I listen to many different artists.
Thank you for this conversation and I hope you have a nice day! Stay save!
Also, I have not found other songs like Blood Sweat&Tears or Spring Day in other KPop. I had read "Those Who Walk Away from Omelas" and "Demian" prior to hearing of BTS (they are classic pieces of literature). The impressive thing is not that they pulled themes from literature to create the lyrics, it is that RM so deeply understood and responded to the themes, that his lyrics help the listener to better understand his perspective and to analyze the world in general. That is so rare in popular music of any kind.
@@katesims8816 I personally love the lyrics and stories of TXT's music other than just the sound of it and I find myself relating to them a lot, but it's different for everyone.
NCT, EXO, Shinee and Monsta X also have many meaningful and emotional ballads and B Sides that resonated with me.
You well said it Mr. Music is music its language a memory too in each of us that connects us that no barrier can stop it.
Mr.music indeed it is ;) music is universal and it's unstoppable !
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
Why look at kpop only through the prism of the fact that bts paved the way for the rest of the groups, this is literally devaluation of the work of other groups, because if you watch documentaries, it is not so easy for them to just make their debut, you can not say that they become successful. you know how difficult it was for the bantans, so why do it with other groups now, especially the third generation groups, they tried like no one else
Agreed. I feel like too many people here regard the whole genre of Kpop as something to look down on and like the artists and groups aren't musically unique and diverse and experiment with different genres, styles and sounds and making it their own and many do have meaningful lyrics and stories and also write and produce them themselves when they definitely do.
I really hope that this video won't influence people and turn them away from Kpop.
Also one point I always bring up is: BTS attends K-Pop Award Shows if I hear a song during the whole Award show that I like chances are I'm listening to it and even if I don't, I watch the entire show for BTS so it's not like I don't know what is currently going on in K-Pop, so how is that not giving it a chance already
Sure, this is exactly what's happening with other army as well. We all know k-pop but BTS is just different ;D it's not our fault that Kpop cannot be as great as BTS ;) if any group claim they are better or even as good as bts let them come close :D
I think the main reason for the discourse is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.
I just say that every artist comes from a particular terrain or genre than once in a while an individual or group rises above there category, their nation to become global and even iconic across generations. BTS rose above their category and their nation. Yes they are Korean and came from K-pop but they've outgrown these etiquettes. Taylor Swift came from the Country genre but rose above it to become a global star. The Beatles broke up in 1969 and are still iconic today so is Frank Sinatra who passed away 25 years go and Elvis Presley who died in 1977 but those have attained Legendary status. I don't know if BTS will last in time but as for their current status they surely left K-pop way behind.
Suzannah they will be part of the future cause of their legacy and can't agree more with this statement and they out grown the whole industry ! Kpop is just a business and bts is music, and music. art, pure art
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
@@Cyrusyami Kpop is music and art as well and has many very talented and passionate artists that worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now, stop being so disrespectful and toxic for no reason just to praise BTS.
@@Kalakeiko Hi Kalakeiko, I don't have a particular genre of music honestly but you see my first language is French so there's a lot of french artists from France and Québec that I love. I also like traditional classical music from India and classical music from Europe like Chopin, Mozart and Debussy. I like rock and pop from the UK more then the American pop music. I don't know enough about the K-pop world, there is so many groups and solos artists to discover, presently I love Bangtan for sure and Taemin as a solo artist but I'm really curious about Dreamcatcher bc many people mentioned them. I like Dimash Kudaibergen, Deadmau5 a Canadian Dj and I love, love Lana Del Rey. One thing is sure there is music for everyone out there and we don't need to fight about it, your choices are the best for you. Period 🌻
@@suzannahmontreal1051 Interesting! I'm Austrian, but I rarely listen to any Austrian or German music haha. I also listen to many different genres, especially rock, indie, traditional and experimental music and everything in between! Music is a huge safe space and comfort for me in any situation and mood and I also really like Jpop and Kpop and I'm a fan of many different groups and try to follow and support them as much as I can.
Besides Kpop I also listen to Linkin Park, The Amazing Devil, Wardruna, Billie Eilish, Kalafina, FictionJunction, Yuki Kajiura, Amazarashi, Spyair, Burnout Syndromes and Aimer to name a few.
I also really love harmonies and layered vocals so SM artists in terms of Kpop are especially appealing to me, but I listen to many different artists.
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It's such an odd thing to single out ARMYs as being the anomaly for not being fans of kpop. Most people in the world try out different types of music, discover what they like and dislike, then gravitate to their preference. Artists and groups are judged as individuals who must prove their talent, stand on their own two feet and show their merit. The true anomaly is expecting people to simply like groups on the basis that they share the same genre with BTS. That makes no logical sense. That's not how personal taste works or how people operate generally.
I think that sort of thinking is what allows companies in the industry to be musically lazy. Why would you need to put in effort to stand out musically if the audience doesn't bother to view the groups independently? They're just going to lump them together anyways, right? Why be innovative and creative when people expect you to recycle the same decades old concepts in similar ways? The fans who think like this need to realize that endorsing this way if thinking is making its easy for these companies to keep churning out generic songs that could be given to any other group and still work. Especially since they can just say "This is the new concept" and no one can question if the music really fits the group.
Yes, example :blackpink😂
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
Bravo well said.
Bora is always on point with her videos and droping stright facts. The vast majority of ARMYs stan only BTS however they are casual listeners of many other artist or songs.
I am an ARMY since 2014 so I had enough time to check out so many other groups especially during the award show seasons in Korea and tbh the majority of the performances fell more like torture precicly because the music is not that good, it feels like sight up noise. We do give them a chance however BTS set the standard so high for us that they just don't cut it. Personally, I love music and i listen to it daily and besides BTS I listen to a multitude of genras, bands and artist just not kpop
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
I’m BTS fan that’s all 💜💜💜they all amazing musicians I’m JiMIN bias 💜💜💜
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
I have always been called eclectic in my music tastes because if it’s good music I don’t consider the genre. If I’m working out a bubblegum song with the right beat is great But do I know the names of the artists - not always but the song does it’s job so I like the song. BTS (along with other non-K-pop artists) feed my soul with their lyrics and music and that’s what makes me a fan of an artist or group
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
I'm a Rock and Metalhead but when I stumbled across, BTS it was love at first listen. Love their music and their incredibly important and good lyrics and messages. Lyrics matter a lot to me.
I think one of the only kpop groups at the moment that is doing more that they chose than their company is (g)-idle. And part of that is because the company has basically neglected them, so the girls just do whatever they want and fun fact, their past two albums were made against the wishes of their company. It’s honestly sad that although the members are being allowed to make their own music, the reason they are doing some things like coming up with concepts for themselves or deciding what to do for their live performances is simply because their company treats them like shit so they’re forced to do things themselves. It’s always either the company gives a group everything and the group gets hand-fed everything, or the group does things on their own because they’re being mistreated by the company. It’s really rare in kpop to see a group that isn’t being neglected by their company who gets to write their own songs, and bts is one of the only groups that is in that position which again, is pretty sad.
I'd say Stray Kids and Monsta X also have a lot of freedom when it comes to writing and producing their songs, but I agree.
I am an ARMY and I have tried listening to other kpop music and I was sick of it, but we can't also deny the fact that some newer groups actually have good music these days like its not just loud as some groups haha, I am not a fan of loud music but I will listen to them like once in a while but won't be in my playlist. well I think some groups like TXT, lesserafim, and new jeans have a different sound and have good music but no one can come near to BTS's music.
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
Its kind of same for me. When i first become an ARMY i was already a kpop fan i guess. I live in asia so korean music was not new to me. T-ara, super junior, girls generation was known here. So when i first go to know bts from 2018 mama i was hooked i loved their song after i become an Army i did not stop listening to other groups i became fans of other groups briefly like aroha, moa, shawol, nctzen, stay, carat, l.o.v.e, monbebe, etc. But after being a fan of each of them for about 2-3 months i was just done with them. Now i am just an army and engene. So yeah no matter how many groups i listen to i always come back to BTS. (I listen to just kpop in general meaning just songs from groups not the group)
I like kpop especially girls groups
Same here! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee, BTOB and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
I love BTS so much that i listen to their group and individual songs everyday. I dont care of people complaining ARMY for not listening other groups songs😆 How could i when i have more music videos and plenty of BTS contents to look forward to😆😅. Those complaining should do their best watching their artists contents and not whinning😁😅, anyways that’s what they’re good at😆😆🤣
hahahahaha :PPPP LOOOOOOOL ! loved it, can't agree more :D
The main reason for the discourse is that many people use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.
@@Kalakeiko BTS deliver high quality performances and contents so lots of people are expecting and rooting for them. That takes a lot of pressure on them but still they keep elevating their standards. Other groups are so content to just be contained in a KPop standard”. ARMY and BTS are working hard hand in hand…
@@serenity3209 I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT), BTOB, Shinee, Got7, Astro and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream and EXO to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT for example.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own and everyone wants to expand as best as they can with the opportunities they have.
@@Kalakeiko i am not discrediting other groups when i am praising BTS, i am not very keen to know other groups beside few groups that associate with BTS. I was saying BTS and ARMY are working together, harder every time they have comebacks and produce lots of contents online that are accessible for ARMY. I wonder i talk about BTS talents and their great performances and meaningful lyrics does it mean i have to say about other groups too? I am not interested in the whole Kpop, im only interested of BTS and the group associated with them regardless kpop or not. I am a fan of BTS not the whole of Kpop. Im sharing my thoughts about BTS how they make me feel and im grateful for them. As a fan its my way of promoting them, sharing my thoughts about them not of other groups that i don’t know and don’t have interest with. Fans, the company and the groups themselves will work harder for them to be be entertained, acknowledged and appreciated. Thats what BTS & ARMY are consistently doing.
Agreed to Cyrus, i feel the same...thanks to share your thoughts. Love BTS & you too
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
I started listening to kpop a little over a year ago and started with BTS (i also became an ARMY). Since then i became interested in txt, le sserafim and even svt, skz and enhypen. I would not consider myself stays, engenes, moas etc., i'm just interested in some of their contents to an extend that i'm willing to learn about the members and occasionally listen to their music. What i realised is that i cant listen to a whole skz (just an example) playlist or album without skipping parts of songs or a song entirely. I like seeing their performances and i also think they are quite entertaining, but i cant listen to their music on a daily basis, for a long time or while driving, studying etc. I dont know how to say it properly but sometimes the music from other artists feels uncoordinated and too performance concentrated.
Thats not to say i dont skip bts songs too, i do, but their discography is so huge, that the amount of times i skip a song is just a really really small percentage considering their variety of genres and styles. Listening to bts feels nice and not hectic. Idk if that makes sense. And when i show kpop to my family i often get as response that the music and the MVs is too much, too noisy, it feels exhausting etc. But that happens for bts as well sometimes, but more for other groups.
Kpop is the only spotify genre i listen to at the moment: i listen to kpop rising, kpop on etc. But i always come back to bts.
Interesting! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
Yeah... In my playlist is only few songs from other kpop artist. I do like watch sometimes kpop MVs and making those, but music dont hit me. My playlist is full of different type of music - Rammstein, Debussy, Bowie, Luis Armstrong, Muse, The Clash... just say few. Greetings from the edge of Europe
uhhh I like your playlist :PP You know good music Chisay :P I have them in my playlist as well
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion!
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
I think the video is a little extreme because it is characterizing entirety of K-pop or idol music as one thing, or even Army for that matter. I enjoy BTS, and other kpop artist (RV, IU, Mamamoo etc..) and even listen to kpop artist I have never seen visually (heize, Taeyeon, Zico, Leehi, Yaerin baek etc..). I also listen to a ton of indian music, pop-punk, rock bands ( Blink, Alice in chains, Modest Mouse (rip Jeremiah) etc... )
Yes K-pop is a visually focused industry that is big on packaging (MV's, Fashion, "visuals", dances, concepts etc...) BTS also does all of these things. Personally, I don't judge my music based on whether the person singing it also wrote the song. I think singer-songwriters / producers tend to make unique songs because of their human perspective. These things are not however mutually exclusive.
At the end of the day, music is just music. If you like something feel free to enjoy it and even love it. If you don't like something its not for you, someone else might like it though. No reason to pass judgement on fans of music you don't like. The video gives off a lot of holier than thou vibes. I love listening to BTS, I also love listening to "IDOL" music; they have good voices, interesting genre mixing, production, etc... Its not fair to make assumptions about everyone who like a certain thing.
I think this is more of a LARGE GENERALIZATION video. I don’t really understand what you mean. She explains towards the need that most ARMY will like songs from other groups but mostly likely won’t Stan them, which is pretty much true for the large generalization of ARMY. Yes their are ARMY that are kpop fans. She also explains towards the end pretty much want you said, unless I am understand differently? I also don’t agree that with the holier than thou vibes because she wasn’t, in my opinion. Idk what gives that impression, just my opinion.
@@amberpearce710 basic premise of the video is armys dont like kpop because it is superficial and shallow, while BTS is deep and genuine. What's giving me the holler than thou vibes is she says things like "to be a kpop fan means you are not a fan of music but a fan of the industry. ... This industry includes pretty people, choreographed dance, a concept you'll throw away after a month, three mini albums a year, flashy music videos" Does BTS not do these things? BTS can still be genuine musicians without the kpop industry being shallow. My understanding of BTS is that they are an idol group who writes their lyrics and participates in their music making. Everything is relative. I saw a local band with friends this weekend, most of my friends would think BTS is a cookie cutter industry product and relative to an indie garage band they would be. Maybe I'm just not in the know of Stan culture. It sounds like a lot of pot calling the kettle black. I enjoy BTS music and kpop music. I enjoy the visual and performance aspect of both as well.
Thank you so very much, I just started listening to kpop and i like it a lot. prior to this I listened to a lot of Hip hop, i went back to some of my brothers old school hip hop collection, I listen to Jpop, RnB rock pop punk pop grunge and jazz. basically I listen to all sorts of music. And this video implies kpop lovers aren't real music lovers. There are some groups who have a lot of genuine and different genres in their songs. some also write and compose, but that was never what drew me in, the music just sounded good.
I just wish people can elevate what they love without downplaying everything else.
@@amberpearce710 The main reason for the discourse is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.
@@liqa224 Agreed. I feel like too many people here regard the whole genre of Kpop as something to look down on and like the artists and groups aren't musically unique and diverse and experiment with different genres, styles and sounds and making it their own and many do have meaningful lyrics and stories and also write and produce them themselves when they definitely do.
I really hope that this video won't influence people and turn them away from Kpop.
09:30 I always say, music itself is not a priority of kpop agencies and it shows, they push the album sales to 2x million by making 15 versions but their streams are minimal. Their own fans don't listen to their music, lile why are you even a fan then? Just recently because of upcoming Jimin collab with BigBang member, some bigbang fans tried to shame army that: you have to stream cause your agency doesnt have money to pay for streams....lol, same fans that laughed in 2014: bts so poor they can't afford producers to write songs ...imagine being shamed by writing your own songs and your fans to listening to your music😭😭😭😭 I don't think even therapy will help those people, their minds are somekind of thick fog
I definitely disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
Because of BTS I have begun listening to many other Pop artists (meaning young folk music in all it’s diversity). Like you, I have attempted to become a fan of other K-Pop groups but I find them a bit boring in general. Often I find a song or two I like and add it to my play list - usually their “B” sides. What I’ve noticed is I’m enjoying the individual projects after a group has disbanded or taken a hiatus. Key from SHINee as an example. Jackson Wang of GOT7.
I admire BTS setting the tone for individual projects by having solo projects within their group (Epiphany, Lie, Euphoria, etc). It really showcased how good each member of the group is and set us up to look forward to their individual projects. RM’s Indigo is a masterpiece (in my, obviously, unbiased opinion … chuckling 🤭).
I hadn’t seen the original video, so thank you for introducing me to a thoughtfully produced explanation of why BTS is different then the rest of K-Pop.
Uhhh you're welcome !!!! Rm's indigo is honestly a great album, I was a bit surprise that mostly people didn't find it as amazing as me but happy to see you loved it.
It's just great.
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
im crying at that video imagine if ppl made a video like “Why Arianators hate Pop” soo unserious
I only Stan BTS because of their musicality, I hv been into k pop for a decade and I never was into any fandom or stanning any group, just casual listeners until BTS. Have no interest in others. I could listen to 20 different songs from other groups, I won't be able to differentiate because it's all sound the same. 🤷♀️
You are right ! Cause they only understand business not music, like BTS and big hit entertainment
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
@@Cyrusyami That is not true. Not every group is generic or doesn't understand music at all. Everyone worked extremely hard for years to get where they areand they're definitely passionate about their work. Stop generalising an entire genre of music to make a group look superior.
Além de army meus artistas favoritos são Taylor Swift, Joyce Jonathan, Renato Teixeira, Ana Carolina.
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
Facts, i like other groups but 2 or 3 and still I’m not a big fan of them like bts, because i just can’t love the generic music kpop has w music I don’t think is good to listen. Still in the bts discography I don’t like every song because they’re different but as i like many genres i can enjoy to their discography
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
They make some valid points, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
As for groups and idols that write and produce their own music, there's Stray Kids for example who is entirely self produced in terms of music, lyrics and concepts as well as having chosen the members, name and logo with the songs being written by their 3Racha subunit that consists of Bangchan, Changbin and Han.
Monsta X has Jooheon, I.M and Hyungwon write lyrics and produce songs and choosing concepts and themes, Soyeon from (G)I-DLE also writes and produces their music and chooses their concepts as well, the same goes for Seventeen where Woozi, S.Coups, Hoshi, Vernon, Mingyu, The8, Seungkwan, Bumzu and several others write and produce their music. Then there's several other Kpop artists that write and produce their own lines and solo music and concepts as well, such as EXO.
TXT also has very meaningful lyrics and stories that a lot of people can relate and connect to, including the members and they too write lyrics and verses and are involved in the production.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
agree ...
You make valid point, but I disagree
First of all, I'm not trying to downgrade or degrade any Kpop artist that you've mentioned
But it's just, it's not really fair for other Kpop groups to compare them to BTS
I mean sure there's a lot of idols who can write and produce, but the real question is:
Are they great?
It's completely ok to be subjective if you're a fan of that group, however we're trying to be objective here
I know in Kpop there's a lot of interesting stories and meaningful lyrics ppl can relate to, but how much of it does they actually mean?
There's a difference between writing something for the sake of writing something, and writing something for the sake of greater purpose.
Also it doesn't mean that you can produce and write lines in a song automatically makes you a great song writer or producer.
@@rafaelsmith5737 What someone considers good or even great is VERY subjective and no one here is comparing anyone to BTS, that wasn't the point of my comment whatsoever.
The point is that generalising an entire industry and stamping off every group and soloist associated with it as bad, fake, ingenuine, performative or whatever other negative word someone wants to use, except for BTS and treating them all as if they're the exact same when they're not is just completely wrong, because that's not true at all, especially when the majority of the time said people don't even know enough about the industry and the groups to make claims like that.
Yes, there are genuinely good songwriters, composers, producers and choreographers in Kpop and groups with actually meaningful themes and stories as well as social commentary with people that are really talented, hardworking and passionate about music and performing and if something reasonates with people and emotionally touches them, then that something IS meaningful and someone wouldn't just come up with emotional and impactful lyrics and storytelling for the sake of money and fame when they can just take the easy route and make a catchy and fun song with simple lyrics, not that there is anything wrong with that.
To me it just sounds like you are being dismissive and looking down on other groups that you don't even know.
@@Kalakeiko Honestly, I can tell comment would be taken in a wrong way and I was already expecting you'd comment something like this.
But anyways, it's quite interesting how you claim that I look down on Kpop idols when I don't even hate nor dislike any of them. In fact I actually find Kpop idols quite admirable since they have lots of persistence and hardwork, and I'm also aware that what they have done and what they do ain't easy.
You're pissed cause you insist that I've generalized all Kpop like it's something bad even though I never said nor claim any of that.
You also insist I don't know much about Kpop and other group so you think everything I say is just from ignorant P.O.V, even though you're also coming from ignorant P.O.V yourself cause you also don't know much about me nor my knowledge and exposure to Kpop to say any of those words. You're the one assuming here.
You also say I'm very subjective, which is something I'm not gonna deny cause I'm using my standards to judge Kpop, but you're also quite subjective as well. You and I can't avoid having biases so neither of us can have a proper say if Kpop is bad or not.
This guy on the other hand is a musician and he's part of general public and definitely not a Kpop Stan, he's P.O.V might be a little biased since he quite likes BTS, but let's pretend BTS doesn't exist, he'd still look Kpop music the same way but this time more objectively. Basically and generally except for very few exemptions from few groups, huge majority of Kpop music are not appealing.
Anyways, you just hate the fact that there are other Kpop acts that are great too but because Kpop has bad image their image is also ruined, so you don't like people generalizing things cause it can negatively affect other groups like Seventeen, Stray Kids, G-Idle, etc.
But the thing is, whether you like it or not, if Kpop is indeed as you claimed like there's idols that are genuinely good songwriters, composers, producer's, etc. Then Kpop wouldn't have that negative image.
The fact still remains that there's only a few of them, and majority of idols are not.
If generalizing is wrong in Kpop since you claim that there are very few groups that aren't like that, what better solution do you have?
@@rafaelsmith5737 Look, I'm sorry for being a bit hostile and making assumptions, but I can only work with what you're giving me and that was just the impression that your comments give me based on the way you talk. Let's keep this civil again and discuss it further.
The reason why I said you're dismissive is because you keep saying something positive about other groups and then immediately deny it again.
For example, saying that there are a lot of good lyrics and interesting storylines in Kpop that people can relate to, but then questioning if they even mean anything or if the songwriter is just writing something without meaning it when there is no way to even know that.
The same goes for saying that it doesn't matter if many groups do write, compose, produce and choreograph their own work as long as they're not great and the best at it by your own standards and then questioned why Kpop has a bad reputation if those groups exist and if they're actually talented then.
That is not being objective, as you've said, but subjective.
To clarify, I am not pissed in any way nor do I care if someone who actually gave a variety of different groups and concepts a fair and open minded chance and still doesn't like it, that's okay. The same goes for people who simply don't care for Kpop, but just ignore it instead of bashing it.
My issue is when people who don't know anything about Kpop treat every group and their music and performances like they're the exact same when they're most definitely not, instead of looking for the traits that they think an artist should have and the music styles that they like and finding the right groups that have those and then making an assessment or just not giving off hateful and biased commentary against the entire industry and every artist when there is no need for that at all.
If the person in the video just likes BTS and isn't into Kpop, that's okay and perfectly fine and I wouldn't have commented if that was the case. But going around and bashing the industry and disrespecting other groups just to elevate BTS and making them look better is why this video bothered me enough to reply.
I myself am studying music and I have made songs and plan to do more after I graduate and I also like and listen to all kinds of different music genres and styles, but even I don't like all types of music and have some that I simply can't listen to or at least not as much and that is okay, but I'm not going around and talk negatively about those genres and styles of music or make claims and assumptions when I don't know enough about them and that is the whole point.
The reason why I genuinely like Kpop and several groups is because of how experimental the music is and how most songs are a blend of different genres and styles, such as Pop, Rock, Hip Hop, EDM, Jazz, Ballads, etc., which I really like as well as the great performances and the overall production and concepts. Which is why I tend to say that there is at least one group or song in Kpop for everyone if they genuinely gave it a chance.
But I don't support forcing or guilt tripping others into checking out other groups, even if they might like them due to them having similarities to the group or artists that they like, because that only leads to them distancing themselves from said groups in the end.
Maybe he or you might find another group that suits your tastes more, or maybe you won't; either way is fine and up to you. As I've said before, my only issue is when people generalise the enitre industry and all of the groups even though they're not all the same at all, and definitely not that people should become Kpop fans and like all of the groups, because not even super dedicated stans do that. If he gave it an honest open minded try and still doesn't like it and moved on to stick to what he likes, then that is perfectly okay.
I used to be a huge kpop stan after I got into bts because not only the music but the visuals and the dance(I’m a dancer) got me hooked in , but after some years I started to realize how superior bts’s artistry and passion for music is from other kpop acts especially boy groups the majority of them are in this “we are so bad boys, noisy song” era that is annoying to listen to that’s why I mostly listen to girls group especially those from Hybe and after bts my other favorite artists are Rihanna, the weeknd, adele, h.e.r…
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
thank you so much i just like bts. really different. 1 attraction a lot .❤❤❤
you're welcome ! BTS is the best
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
As a 70 year old fan of BTS I dont actually think of them as Kpop. BTS are highly talented musicians/ entertainers from Korea. I have tried watching Blackpink and other girl groups but I didnt enjoy them. Also I dont understand why it is necessary for the girls to sexualise themselves via dancing and costumes. I also listenened to some Kpop boy bands but found them boring even though some were good singers. So in fact I like BTS for their music and performances, and dont even associate them with Kpop
Definitely Judy, you are 100% right. Cause they are not Kpop, yes they are in the same business but they are there for the legacy and not the money or fame, ofcouse they have it but it comes third and forth for the bts ! that's why they are really powerful
btw thanks for your time and your comment, from deep down of my heart thanks ;)
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
@@Cyrusyami I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
I do look up other kpop artists from time to time. No one has captured me besides BTS and that's okay
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
Kpo music: random sounds changing into random sounds calling it melody, abrupt changes from rap to vocal, rap - is what they call shouting and growling, no coherency in lyrics between two next lines
I definitely disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
I've also tried other kpop songs. And honestly I don't feel it in ant aspect, the message, the music, the lyrics.. I feel it's all the same
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
@@Kalakeiko I understand. Much respect for other artists. I have nothing against them. And I have given them a listen. Bt it's like just having a favorite comfort food, u always go back to it. It's always that and nothing else no matter how u try. bt this is just how I feel. BTS is somehow enough for me even though I do listen to other artists here and there. Bt BTS is home. I hope it makes sense. 💜 no disrespect to other groups or artists. It's just my preference.
@@yoongstradamus That's okay and I definitely feel the same way about other artists, so I get where you're coming from.
It just sounded like you where generalising the Kpop genre and their groups as a whole, which didn't sit right with me, but you don't have to listen to any other group if you don't want to.
I personally like many Kpop groups. What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS.
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
I am only an Army and I have tried to be a fan of other kpop groups but I have never succeeded, I do not like kpop that is the conclusion hahahaha because they mix many musical genres in one song, but BTS is BTS and I love all their music
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
I thing the info is a little bit misleading. There is another idol groups who write their own song beside/before bts. Not all, but theyre exist.
Agreed. I feel like too many people here regard the whole genre of Kpop as something to look down on and like the artists and groups aren't musically unique and diverse and experiment with different genres, styles and sounds and making it their own and many do have meaningful lyrics and stories and also write and produce them themselves when they definitely do.
I really hope that this video won't influence people and turn them away from Kpop.
G-Dragon & Big Bang @@Kalakeiko
@@KalakeikoG-Idle, Seventeen, Straykids, etc.
But you're not getting the point, knowing how to write doesn't makes you a good writer.
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When I say “I only listen to BTS” it doesn’t mean I don’t listen to other artists like nicki, taylor. Olivia, IU , Lauv, the weekend, and one ok rock (Japanese rock band)
I tried to watch kpop groups it just wasn’t my taste. People get mad if Armys say they only like BTS but it’s not like we are saying their kpop groups are bad it’s just that it’s not our taste. We get so much hate just for liking BTS 😂
Love your videos!!! 💜
I think the main reason for the discourse is that many people use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
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2:49. 9:06. 8:53. 9:37
I really like kpop and i stand BTS also and others groups know once can't tell me to do what i don't wante to do like my friends she want i should stand only le sserafim
I say no i'll not damm 😢
Mama 2019
I love BTS and Mamamoo
Interesting! I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee, BTOB and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
11:51 good point
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
@@Kalakeikowhat is her/his opinion that u disagree on? Point it out spesifically what it is so that i can reply directly. Not as in general. Dont have time for that
@@kimnamjoonnn I mainly disagree with their point that Kpop is generic and all the same and is not about the music and only about being flashy and trendy or that Kpop fans only care about the looks of the artists and their content and performances and that Kpop fans aren't music enjoyers, which isn't true at all.
There's no problem in not liking certain genres and styles of music as long as the artists and the ones who enjoy it are still being respected and not dismissed as being untalented, uninspired, not passionate, meaningless or not having any taste.
It seems to me that the one who made the video and the comments, as well as this reactor, look down on the entire genre of Kpop and like it is all the same and has no meaning or passion other than being about looks and dance performances and that doesn't sit right with me.
@@Kalakeiko @kalakeiko6933 did you watch all of it? She doesnt just provide a statement, but she back it up with data, number, and facts. Not like you here. When did you know abt kpop? Cuz kpop back then is not abt music. Cuz BTS was being BULLI3D for being an idol who can produce and write and their own song. Until bts came to the scene and make it the norm for doing it. Even tho lots of the other kpop still have 0 credit of their name in their own album, even solo album like kai, jennie, lisa, jisoo, rose, pretty much all artist from sm and yg, did that, and just a small amount artist do write in YG like skz but that just a small amount. The kpop stan still doesnt care whether lisa write their own raps or not, or call and album lalisa meanwhile the album have 0 credit under her name, not even 1 song. And no one call her out. Or any of them out. No one. Can you still think kpop is abt music? Lol. The data proves the number listening to music only song is far lower than the mv, meanwhile army and bts are the one who didnt like that. That alone proves that army is a music oriented fans, meanwhile others is a visual oriented fans.
@@kimnamjoonnn Yes, I've watched the whole video and I still disagree.
I've been a fan of Kpop since the 2nd generation, 2011 to be exact, and I follow many groups since then, often since their debut, including BTS, and listen to their music.
Yes, I know that there are plenty of Kpop groups that don't write their own music and that they have songs that don't have deep lyrics, because their company doesn't allow them to which is unfortunate, but not at all the artists fault or a reason to say they aren't passionate about music and don't care.
But there are still many that do write their own music or lyrics and that care a lot about meaning and how they express themselves.
Stray Kids for example is entirely self produced in terms of music, lyrics and concepts as well as having chosen the members, name and logo with the songs being written by their 3Racha subunit that consists of Bangchan, Changbin and Han.
Monsta X has Jooheon, I.M and Hyungwon write lyrics and produce songs and choosing concepts and themes, Soyeon from (G)I-DLE also writes and produces their music and chooses their concepts as well, the same goes for Seventeen where Woozi, S.Coups, Hoshi, Vernon, Mingyu, The8, Seungkwan, Bumzu and several others write and produce their music. Then there's several other Kpop artists that write their own lines and solo music and concepts as well.
TXT also has very meaningful lyrics and stories that a lot of people can relate and connect to, including the members and they too write lyrics and verses and are involved in the production.
To say that Kpop fans don't care about the music and only care about the looks and trends is completely wrong. Yes, there are some people that do only focus on some of these aspects, but the same applies to some Armys who only follow them because it's popular and they want validation and hype and don't care about their music and it's meaning. I've seen it plenty of times.
There are MANY Kpop fans that care about the music and listen to Kpop because of that and that have a wide preference in terms of music outside ot Kpop as well, myself included.
Stop generalising an entire genre of music and the artists and groups that are part of the industry and are working extremely hard for years. That is LITERALLY the reason why I'm here and made the comment, because of said toxicty and ignorance.
stop being hypocrite. you guys who saying that you only listen to a meaningful music, have you ever listened to Jonghyun? no. you never did it because you hate his company. we turned blind eye for everything he has done at a time. he wrote his album and he even wrote a book describing every song through a short story. he was sincere. he made it meaningful. and we never tried to hear him.
we are six years late to appreciate his work. so at least stop saying "all kpop" he is a kpop also. stop depreciate all idols work just because you aren't interested in them. no need to look down on the others. fandoms can shit each other all they want but we also can stop it. it's in our hands.
(I mean not hate, just my opinion) Why do you assume just because I don’t like a company I don’t like a group? I listen to songs from all sorts of groups even from companies I am not a fan of. I don’t listen to music based on companies, I listen based on songs. Why do you assume that ARMY aren’t open minded and try to listen to other groups. I myself listen to songs from all sorts of groups but only Stan BTS. I have to find the songs I like on B-sides which I don’t have time to go and listen all the time. Then again this is my opinion, and if you think differently that is totally fine. I am glad you like the music. Also just because I don’t like a lot of kpop songs doesn’t mean I don’t know they are talented just means I didn’t like the song. I am someone that goes song on song bases and if I don’t like it, I don’t like it. It doesn’t reflect the group most of the time. As for the artists you mentioned never heard of him, but I am willing to give him a try. As for the ARMY that say they don’t like K-pop but like BTS that is fine, they should like whatever and listen to whatever/whoever they want. Plus their are SOOOOOO many K-pop groups/solo acts that of course we aren’t going to listen to them all and neither do I (and many others) have the time for it. I think boracity magazine explains it well at the end. (Plus most people when they write they don’t like K-pop it is a LARGE GENERALIZATION and also based on the songs they have heard, which is also okay, they are entitled to not like the music as much as you are entitled to like the music).
@@amberpearce710 I see that you don't know who I am talking about and why him. don't feel obligated to defend yourself. it's ok
@@ninlee9033 I just released that this sound I mostly talking about myself but this is also a lot of ARMY. As for the reactors, give him suggestions. He has said he listens to songs off camera and so far he hasn’t liked them so far his opinion is that he doesn’t like kpop or most of it. It still means his is open minded to listen just so far he doesn’t like it. Granted I don’t like some things he says or the way he words it but he will listen and try and be opens minded if you give suggestions. Idk just my opinion though
@@amberpearce710 I'll try :) thank you for suggestion!
this one of my favorite jonghyun songs if you interested. it is a sad one.
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@@ninlee9033 I will check it out
have u tried listening to exo songs? i think theoir lyric is just standart but their music and vocal is really good, they have identity that different from other kpop too🙂
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I'm army since 2014 and still, i love kpop. I want to say one thing, guys army, please remember, that not kpop groups were hating on bts, it was some of their fans (c'mon all of the fandoms have some weirdos, even ours). So please, don't hate on kpop groups and don't underestimate their hard work. You might not like kpop groups, but there are a lot of their fans (not those who were hating bts, even kpop fans who is army like me) and to be honest i feel sad reading your comments about how bts are so great but kpop groups are all the same and not unique, not interesting and not talanted (there are some self-produced groups with great sound like bts), as an army you should know how it hurts reading this, no? could you please just respect everyone, just like bts do?
To me, i tried to listen to other groups with open minded. But yeah, they didnt give me any comfortable feeling and foods for my soul when hearing the songs. And the last performances in TMA award 2022 was giving me headache, seriously just noisy loud music. Why do you have to ask Armys who are not into kpop to share your opinion? It,s just not our music interest
(I mean not hate, just my opinion) Why do you assume that ARMY aren’t open minded and try to listen to other groups. I myself listen to songs from all sorts of groups but only Stan BTS. Also why do you assume because we don’t like or listen to the groups music that we don’t know they work hard. I know all idols, actually all Koreans, work hard. To be perfectly honest their are a LOT of songs in kpop that sound the same or give off the same energy, in my opinion. If you like that sound that is fine, glad you like it, it just mostly isn’t for me (and other ARMY). Yes their are exceptions to this but they are still not as common as kpop as a whole and usually I mhave to find the songs I like on B-sides which I don’t have time to go and listen all the time. Then again this is my opinion, and if you think differently that is totally fine. I am glad you like the music. Also just because I don’t like a lot of kpop songs doesn’t mean I don’t know they are talented just means I didn’t like the song. I am someone that goes song on song bases and if I don’t like it, I don’t like it. It doesn’t reflect the group most of the time.
@@iamsherlocked875 I think the main reason for the discourse is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.
It's okay to not be into other Kpop groups, but to say that they all sound the same and are genric and uninspired or don't have any meaningful lyrics isn't right.
@@amberpearce710 I think the main reason for the discourse that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.
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Only BTS💜, no k-pop
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
JTL and BTS... i'm not kepoper
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, BTOB, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS.
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
All Boracity Magazine videos are spot on she's a pro , im not a kpop fan, i only love BTS. Period
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS.
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
I have nothing against Boracity's videos, but I do think she generalises the entire genre of Kpop too much and makes it sounds like it's not music and just generic and uninspired, which isn't true at all.
Me BTS is kind a New Genre music 😆😆😅😅😅
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
09:28 my words exactly! How should i like those groups if their music is bad to me? They mostly don't even sing like live and their choreos are subpar, so what exactly i should like in them? Pretty faces? Fashion?
I am sorry, but when i physically can't listen to a music they perform to, how i should enjoy it😬 And don't start me with lyrics! Omg! Watched every kpop video that came out last year if it popped iny yt, i have not seen one song with somewhat interesting not cliché lyrics. More so, i think kpop awards should make new nomination: Song that has more than two lines of lyrics make sense 😭
I definitely disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
Oh, i didnt know u have watch stray kids. I just know u watch blackpink before. Did u watch it on camera or off camera?
He said off camera
@@amberpearce710 too bad. I want to see his expression while react to that 😆
@@miyuryuu7260 same. Lol. I although their are a few songs by them a like, but for the most part their music isn’t for me.
@@amberpearce710 you n me share the same braincell 😂😂
ya le agarre asquito a los otros fandoms por hablar mierda a cada rato de bts y army
Tienen derecho a estar enojados porque este grupo realmente tiene seguidores leales.
I think the main reason for the discourse is that many people in the comments use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.
The next bts by boracity also.. Pls react.. Thank you.. 😊
It’s the way K-pop thinks because BTS is famous/good that they represent all K-pop too. NO is not. I’m not saying the idols don’t work hard, they do….but the music is NO
T good and if you heard one you have heard them all. It’s like this with K-pop. It’s like a bait and switch , them telling you K-pop is like more BTS, you order a Lamborghini and you get a Volkswagen bug. K-pop is trying to ride BTS coat tails.
I definitely disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own.
As an Army I've been around for some time(since 2015), and it's hilarious that k-pop industry begs for ARMY's attention now that BTS is big, but they were openly insulting BTS and ARMY on TV just a few years ago. Desperate much?
I think the main reason for the discourse is that many people use the term Kpop as something to look down on and that BTS is the only talented, hardworking and unique group out there and therefore the best, which rubs many people the wrong way because that isn't true at all.
im an army i only stan bts forever idc...i listen to doja cat,lil nas x,nikki minaj,and arina grande
I personally like many Kpop groups, but I respect your opinion! What is your prefered genre or music? (curious)
My introduction to Kpop was Big Bang, Super Junior, Shinee and EXO back in 2012 and I've been hooked to many groups since, including BTS!
My current favourites are TXT, Monsta X, WayV, Ateez and Dreamcatcher though and have been for a while now.
I like few kpop songs. Few like less than 5. Do i want to buy thwir albums? No. Do i like to stream their mv and song? No. Do i follpw them on their sns? No. I like few because what armys have with bts is a deep connection. It's acrually more than music, it's the genuine friendship and love between armys & bts. Ive never seen any artist who take time toconnect with their fans. Ive seen many fandoms saying their faves arw also like that, yes, because they saw what bts did and did the same. Bts has been doing that since pre debut. While others did that just after bts made vlive a thing, and social interaction on twt ks important that's why they created all thwir twt accts after bts won atthe bbmas. Also, i want to point out their were never the 1st ones, but they were the reason why these things becamea thing in kpop.
I respect your opinion, but I disagree. There are many extremely talented and unique Kpop groups out there with very diverse music and different genres, meaningful and relatable lyrics and a great stage presence and live performances as well and each of them trained very hard for many years to get where they are now, but I won't deny that BTS are great artists at all.
For meaningfull lyrics and beautiful story lines for example there's TXT (Tomorrow x Together). They have not only really talented members and diverse music, but also meaningful lyrics and beautiful story lines in my opinion such as with songs like 0x1=Lovsesong, Loser = Lover, Run Away, Frost, Can't You See Me?, Opening Sequence, Farewell Neverland, Puma, We Lost the Summer, Nap of a Star, Our Summer, Eternally, and many more.
There's also Ateez, Oneus, Seventeen, Stray Kids, WayV (Chinese subunit of NCT) and the B-Sides for Monsta X, NCT 127, NCT Dream, EXO and Got7 to name a few.
In terms of vocalists there's EXO, Shinee, BTOB, Seventeen, NCT, Ateez and Oneus and for rap Monsta X, Stray Kids, Big Bang, Ateez and NCT.
I wouldn't say that Kpop is only an industry and not about the music or artistry at all. Every single artist and group worked extremely hard for years to get where they are now and did it on their own and they definitely love their fans and have a deep connection to them as well and not because of BTS.