When he said people come in and kick the artists out hit hard. Me and a friend convinced a club owner in the downtown area to let us put on an art show. We invited any artists we knew to bring their art. He was the promoter type whereas I was the creative. Our efforts gained attention, but before we could get too much further, the club owner allowed someone else to come in and take over, someone more 'popular' in the local scene. Fast forward 10 years or so, and now our downtown has all kinds of "art" painted on the exterior of buildings. Some of ii is pretty good while others, it's easy to tell, are these people that think they are artists, if you know what I mean. Either way, my friend and I have been completely forgotten.
I'm a very creative person, visionary and the problems with the world stem from the many levels and reach of indoctrinations through a need to fit in rather than stand out. If you are an outlier it take a time to build a path for others to follow as a leader, where as if you lead just to fit in then it is easier to make money etc. It is the path of least resistance
@@standardofexcellence Yeah, you know you're a visionary when less creative people call your ideas crazy, but those whose creativity you admire call you brilliant. Such is the case for me; however, my comment wasn't about a desire to make money or even to receive recognition. It was just an experience I chose to share.
@@VICEGoblin So, are you saying that I think I'm an artist? If that's the case, then I can tell you that I use colored calked (chalk pastels) and make portraits that people mistake for photographs until they are right up on them. I have been in galleries and art shows. I have sold my works, and I have had experts in art praise my works, some as far away as South Africa. And all this is a natural talent that I have had at least since I was 6 years old. I never went to any art Insititute. My high school's art teacher begged me to join her class even though I told her she couldn't teach me anything only to finally sign up to her class just for her to agree with me and tell my i was better than her and that she couldn't teach me anything. So, just in case you're wondering if I'm one of those that "thinks" they're an artist, I do not "think" I'm an artist. I AM an artist.
@@mjp152 1: First off the title. He uses the word “cursed”. Which is a religious term. It has no bearing on reality because curses are not a real thing. 2: His analogy about the marked zebra is wrong. Because most creative people are not famous or well known. They just work and create stuff as regular people. They hardly ever stand out for the “lion” to suddenly hunt. 3: He says childhood trauma ties into being creative. No it doesn’t. I’m a creative person and I work with hundreds of creative people. None of us have any baggage. And even if we did, it doesn’t make us more or less creative. I didn’t watch the rest after that because it would have been more dribble from a man who thinks anyone who doesn’t want kids are “deluded or immature”. Hes incredibly out of touch.
@@CactusCowboyDan A lot of anecdotal claims. Which is fine, but I could cite just as many anecdotes about my experiences that supports what he says. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.
@@mjp152 Explain to me how saying there’s no such thing as “curses” is a claim? It’s a fact. Same goes for everything else I’ve said. If anything it’s JP making the claims. Only he’s got no evidence or facts behind him.
This is great stuff; Jordan Peterson is awesome. There is another angle to creativity, modern American society demands a high level of education to graduate high school. Most jobs don't need a master's degree; the people are being herded to the colleges for nonsense reasons with the carrot before the horse, in order to ensnare the people with magic dreams of a better life and leave them in the condition of indentured servitude. There is a reason why you don't give a homeless man a Ferrari, he cannot afford the taxes, he doesn't have a place for it, and the car is only going to be stolen by the gangs: People have to step up for education, not be dragged into indentured servitude with false promises and unvetted careers (nobody looked to care for the easy student loans). So, we have a creative society that is being run ragged, deprived of benefits, and give their money to other people, and this is a form of abuse: They cannot achieve their needed rewards by a system rigged against the people: This is an ancient practice, it is Americans that do it to college students, that is demand that they be creative all the time and take away the rewards.
I'd argue there's another experiment where they coated horses with zebra patterns and they survived more often to mosquito carrying diseases. Doesn't mean the zebra stripes gives a single adaptive solution, but I think it the red patch isn't a good experiment. What if any animal gets more hunted if it stands out, thats a control group. Furthermore, ecologists usually can't make good experiments because their experimental dessing usually gets flawed toward their enamored hypothesis
I agree on his take on education i am creative and i hated school and all teachers who only taught facts. Enjoyed art, woodwork and metal work also music , gym was ok when it was outside . Primary school i used to gaze out the high windows and watch the clouds. Im building a seed cleaner now and its very much about the way air moves, fascinating. Creative writing can be a buzz too if you dont have a goverment jailer making you sit down for hours every day.😊
Bottom of the class, bottom of 4 streams, teenager. Watched seagulls wheel and glide over the playing fields, doodled in margins. Didn't misbehave. Detention in Library. Librarian reported back that l was reading books, on detention, in the Library. Detention in corridor. rinse repeat. Mature student, Tutors didnt understand my drawing ideas from multiple outside fields, and synthesizing new questions. (politely) Sent to Learning Support (Lol) Tutor as a last resort , who rolled her eyes - scraped together funding for an IQ test. Didnt feed back the results upstairs - would have been politically non expedient. printed them out for me. (Top 10 percentile) Society is very laggy, often buffering ........ LOL
I did awful in school. I got better grades doing schoolwork on my own. But teachers didn’t like that I wasn’t “participating” so they kept failing me even though I got As on tests and my work. It was clear to me as a student that school systems don’t care about you learning, they care about your obedience.
Yup, the corporate overlords that run this country want indentured servants living paycheck to paycheck. They don't want future potential competition. So that's why the public school system is geared towards shaping workers, NOT entrepreneurs.
As a creative person, this video kinda stings in that it's not necessarily untrue, particularly regarding how creatives and artists don't always excel. My specific era of creativity is in music. There's something so magical about taking the inherent chaos of sound-which is often a chaotic assortment of frequencies-and mushing them together to create something that the human brain enjoys hearing, something that can invoke real emotions or feelings. There's a certain level of psychological understanding that goes into building a musical pattern the brain can enjoy without it being too repetitive. Trying to find my place in society, one that allows me to pursue my passion while continuing to create music for others to enjoy, all while maintaining a frugal, minimalist lifestyle, has been difficult and disheartening. However, lately, it feels like opportunities for growth have been aligning. It looks like I'm on the right path in pursuing my career as a musician in web3, but it's still scary-the uncertainty of it all. Thanks for this video, and God bless.
They work in movies and advertising where they are taken advantage of by people very much like the people who originated their trauma. They craft stories, sounds and visuals in an attempt to elicit positive feedback. I lived this life and thankfully have come close to the end.
i love this so much. they're invalidating their own experiences if they focus on elcting one emotion in people. all emotions are valid, therefore its not art, it's manipulation for uncreative people.
@@doncoyote68 Choosing five minutes for your video duration is a perfectly good format. Presenting this borrowed material as if it were original is in poor taste, created just to promote a channel and get clicks, comments and likes, and could be considered disrespectful to the original owner, presumably Dr. Peterson. Speeding it up for your presentation adds insult to injury.
Like how the sheep singled me out for not wearing a muzzle during the plan... They were hunting an invisible pathogen that was never found, but could easily spot a bare faced Human as if it were a red spotted zebra.
I think this also highlights what he was saying too. I think that true creativity is born from trauma, you see the world differently than others especially places that may resemble how you feel internally. Now everyone thinks they are artists but they lack the problem solving, they don’t have anything to solve, they just make thing to monetize off of it while real artists struggle and starve
@@florinnatu yes of course that's true. But mostly on a subconscious level . . . i suspect. Why so ??? Because the assumption is everyone who works a job . . . must be more or less a decent human being. But of course that's only an assumption. We know reality doesn't always match our assumptions.
@@piehound true, yes... but tbh...decent human beings are rare in this new, constantly ego-feeding society. so one should expect quite the opposite from the get go and avoid disappointments
@@florinnatu I understand your pov. But in psychology there's a definite difference between (1) how people think of themselves. That's called ego. And (2) how they behave. It's called behavior. In other words good people sometimes do bad things. The phenomenon is called by several different names. (a) Self - deception (b) Hypocrisy (c) Dissociation, psychopathy, or sociopathy. (d) the bible thousands of year old says *THE (human) HEART IS DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS AND DESPERATELY WICKED.* (e) None of that is news. It's been going on since Cain murdered Abel. Are you disappointed❓❓❓❓❓❓❓
@piehound no i'am not. not any more, because i'am old and had to deal with tons of humans. of course all you discribed are human traits, and one has to admit it, no matter if one is religious or a non-believer. but like i said, to go into the world assuming a good intention when dealing with people will get you disappointed. not you in particular
Crushing creativity is something we do in the West and were are awesome at it! For example, I wanted to study music at the Royal Conservatory and I was self taught and back then even had perfect pitch and although I couldn't read music (not a very useful skill outside of playing orchestrated music). So they were amazed with some of the music I'd written (and recorded! because I am a tech head and in the late 80s recording was hard on a 4 track tape recorder!) Then came the dreaded "play sheet music" I fumbled through the first one I fucked up the second one. And they were like: "that's not very good... I think we should leave it with that." And I am like: "I come here to learn... If I already know everything why come here? Do you think they honestly ask a student who's going to study electronics if they already know the resistor colour codes? Or am aspiring astronomer if he already knows the distance to Alpha Centrauri and Beetleguise and what composition of what star emits what frequency of light?" Well, talking back in higher learning is a definite no go. So I ended up getting into studying Electronic Engineering, even without out graduating in mathematics in high school -- I just couldn't wrap my head around it. They were like: "If you do the summer course and you pass with 55% you can enrol". Now ironically EE was somehow trivial for me, so I had a lot of time on my hands to gig with the 2 bands I was in and do session work. My friends who went to the conservatory are dead poor on the dole (one now is a program manager at a public tv station). Where I supplemented a great income with good money in music and later also Film and TV. So studying arts is dumb, don't! HAS NO VALUE! Being an artist first is DUMB get a REAL JOB and become an artist second.
maybe you overrated your talent. they didn't compare you with someone who already learnt, they pheraps compared with people in your same state, and you still were behind, maybe they saved you from chasing something you can't catch. Ego is a bad thing.
@ I think I must have had something otherwise you don’t even get invited to audition - especially not for someone who’d been playing for 3 years (well 7 years or you count piano but I switched to neo/classical guitar). And it wouldn’t explain why I ended doing music professionally and my peers who went into the conservatory didn’t even land a single job outside some subsided orchestral work - which they didn’t like doing. I don’t have an ego, I always know there are people who are better and I strive to improve. The only problem was the playing from sheet music during the audition. And Frankly a degree in electrical engineering was a far further reach than music theory and composition -which is simple in comparison. Especially for me as I sucked at mathematics and the fact I made it through EE is still a miracle to me. And I literally had only basic electronics knowledge in high school physics level. And I’m glad though because engineering always kept me in money when arts project dried up. I didn’t have to be on the dole like my peers who did study that liberal arts nonsense 😄
TH-cam sends me a video about how smart people are cursed. Then how dumb people are cursed. Now it's creative people that are actually cursed. Can we all just come out and say the truth that ALL people are cursed?
That YT algorithm is SO random...Once it will.suggested a row of bald ppl with glasses - because it matches thumbnails too. hahaha Those that 'notice things' are cursed with noticing things and even sometines cursed at for noticing things! 'Noticing things' is the point where life gets really interesting tho, imo.
I am a middle school digital art teacher. I begin the semester by putting a prompt on the board that says 'Draw' and is followed with a logo of a company. 95% of the students try to redraw the logo as exact as possible. I revisit this with a new logo two months later and 75% still just draw a logo. I revisit the prompt at the end of the semester and 60% just redraw the logo. I don't poison the prompt by telling them to be creative, but I tell them constantly throughout the rest of the semester. I tell them they are NPCs who go from class to class learning binary, but I guess for most people they will just be consumers and that's okay. I would die.
My ADHD brain would go nuts, but It's gotta be a cool school if you have a middle school digital art teacher. Heck, where I grew up, you got art classes in Highschool, and there was no digital at all. All traditional. Was fun though. I enjoyed art and I plan on setting aside more time to do it.
The funny thing is that ancient people already knew that trauma leads to creativity. If you read the story of Cain and Abel as a secularist and not the fairy tale manner in which most Christians view it, then Cain is a direct example of a traumatized child using that trauma to better the world. After God plays favorites with him and he murders his brother, Cain does not become a wanderer who never accomplishes anything as God decrees. He travels to Nod, finds a wife, bears a son, builds a city that he names after that son, and sires an entire bloodline that, according to scripture, is then responsible for the technologies that lead to the rise of human civilization, such as herding live stock, creating music and art, and working brass and iron. Imagine the good that could have come from that story if people actually got that lesson from the story instead of seeing it as the story of the first act of murder.
As Neil Peart put it: "I hear their passionate music Read the words that touch my heart I gaze at their feverish pictures The secrets that set them apart When I feel the powerful visions Their fire has made alive I wish I had that instinct I wish I had that drive... It's cold comfort To the ones without it To know how they struggled How they suffered about it If their lives were exotic and strange They would likely have gladly exchanged them For something a little more plain Maybe something a little more sane" - Rush, "Mission"
Well that explains my entire life in a couple of sentences. I've always thought creativity was a curse because no matter how many skills I gain through my striving and hard work, nothing seems good enough to me. Dissatisfaction with my work is burden. There are always new skills to gain, others to improve and even, more to master completely ... and NO ONE is ever done learning, I certainly am not! I realized I did not belong in modern education when I went to a community college for a short time... what a fiasco!
More people write books by far than ever read books. The reason creative people are cursed is pretty straightforward. In general, society is very much dumbed down, media addicted, anti-intellectual, and holds a disdain for creativity. There doesn't need to be any more looking into it than that. When it's obvious, the answer's going to be obvious.
@1:53 Hans Jurgen Eysenck is the man who wrote about genius, not Hans Isaac as the video mistakenly shows. Eysenck also noticed physical differences in the brains of extroverts and introverts. Hans Isaac is a film director. Schopenhauer wrote insightfully about genius.
Spoke too soon: just the very beginning of the full lecture has bad audio! Most of it is good audio! (Jordan Peterson Lectures: Exploring the Psychology of Creativity) Thanks for this video! 🙂🙃 I'm curious-did you enhance the audio? The original lecture I’ve found has poor, lossy audio and is hard to hear. Does anyone know where I can find a clear, high-quality version of the full lecture? Thank you!
Thank you so much you have helped me out so much to understand life the way it works you have really made a super positive influence in my life when I was suicidal and was homeless and every one was doubting me even my self I brain washed my self to work hard and never give up until I reached my goals now I owen 3cars and buying a new truck and owe my house and property, some times in life we all need some light in the darkness thank you for being that light, God bless, I pray you walk in God hands
Jordan Peterson I love this man. I have learned a lot from this man over the last decade thank you. Hello my name is Lee Curtis Speratos III I am a Blackstar Shaman. I have transmuted the pain of my lifes circumstances into almost a million words on metaphysics. With the help of a few Holy Ghost and some of TH-cam's best readers in the World I proudly give you! Bowie's Blackstar The Metaphysical Guide to Ascension Enlightenment and The Dark Nights of Hell in This Coming Age of Aquarius and it's prequel Morning Star soon to be published. Thank you!❤🏁
There’s a kind of wisdom that, like bubblegum, looks great, tastes good, gives you something to chew on, but does very little to sustain your viability... ;)
The Divine Feminine Principle aspects are power, creativity, and chaos, the right brain/left side of the body controls these aspects within you, however, the Divine Masculine Principle gives the Divine Feminine's chaos order as it creates (Condensed Chaos) an identity (Masterpiece)
Man, what if Jordan Peterson had just focused his intellect on just comedy. Many died laughing. So damn brilliant. I know a lot of people don't like him. Its only because he jerks your shorts down in front of the crowd, figuratively speaking, of course.
Do you have any scars? Sorry, all my scars are emotional. Wanna buy a cool sculpture, or unique prototype gadget? Another sad point about being a creative AND trying to make a living at it, is when the economy dips, artists are the first ones to get laid-off or just straight-up shit-canned. New boss buys business from old boss. New boss brings his 14 year old son to the art dept and orders a certain artist to "..show him everything. Train him to do what you do, color seps, offset press stuff. Not even 2 months later, gone, laid-off. Rumor says that artist dreamed about burning that fucking thing to the ground.. but.. that's just a rumor. Nothing bad ever happened because he moved on to much better things. Even with these chains, you can't stop me
Some people think the nice man is wrong here, or there is a bad title. He's not wrong, and you can understand the title with just a bit of nuance. Nor is JP the Second Coming, nor claims to be, but he's making observations, a bit like Deming. "Necessity is the mother of invention." Well, kinda. Especially when we talk about USEFUL invention. The saying applies not only to people, but to other intelligent beings like foxes, and dogs, and chimps, and orcas. What we call "creativity" is also harder to categorize than some think. Is it always solving problems, or daydreaming? Can we learn to be creative "just like someone else"? The many students of visual arts and music, and even engineering, seem to provide evidence that we can. Are we creative only when we create new ideas, or new images, or sounds, out of whole cloth, seemingly every piece of it new? Or are we equally to be regarded as creative when we see a way to combine, or use, already invented, created, things in a new and different way? ("I have stood on the shoulders of giants.") How much of our creativity is simply that we are made in the image of our Creator? Is creativity always a good and desirable thing? And (here, I suppose, is the "curse") do creators benefit, or are they injured, by their creations, or the time and energy so spent that could have been spent elsewhere? What of the guy who has the best idea since sliced bread, but instead of pursuing its realization, pursues creating a good and moral environment for his family, who sets aside his "art" in favor of building a sound and honest next generation? Whether we look at it that way or not, each of us creates a life out of the opportunities we have and the decisions we make about them. True, some take little thought about these things, and live rather irresponsibly, or (we might say) cluelessly. Hardly all.
So creative people begin with suffering and end as lion fodder. But against that may be weighed the never-ending show in their heads. Through it, they might still get more out of life than most others. If it were a thing possible to see, it might, in those of more ordinary talents (and provided they could fathom it), occasion considerable envy. Btw, top accountants _are_ pretty creative. You don't want a plodder. (A successful accountant and interesting person told me this. Pity he was stuck in accountancy; but then, demand for lion-tamers is perennially weak.)
If Jesus or God loves me, why is it that we only hear it from you religious types, rather than from Jesus or God themselves. Let them do their own f*cking lobbying.....for Christ's sake, er, for our sake. Or, to put it another way, stuff it.
The bible tells us we are accountable servants of God and the work we must focus on is to believe on the one he sent . This will bring about untold good changes in not only who you are but what you do .
I'll be forgotten, and that's good. Though Doctor, you'll be remembered. As long as civilization exists. Tread carefully, lol. 1997-2006 Marine infantryman Sgt.100P.T. Josh Florence, Wisconsin assassin's
“There’s no reason to be creative unless you have a problem to solve.” That’s the most stupid, ignorant thing I’ve ever heard. I can only imagine that spoken by someone with no creative bone in his body, someone who fails to appreciate beauty for beauty’s sake, someone who has no sense of wonder about the world. No, sometimes being creative is just something done for its own benefit, or for the sheer joy of taking an image, a poem, or a melody that’s in your mind and seeing or hearing it actualized. Necessity is not always the mother of invention. Sometimes invention occurs for the sheer joy of being able to give birth to an idea.
We're here, struggling and fighting uphill everyday to create universes and incredible music and stories without any help or the funding needed to get it to a competitive quality. haha :p
Now the girls would turn the color of an avocado When he'd drive down the street in his Eldorado He was only 5 fool 3, girls could not resist his stare......
I'm not gonna watch this video because of the headline. But to say that creative people are cursed is something I would expect a religious person to say, because they don't want people to think they want you to be mindless sheep easily controlled, creative people are thinkers.
You are wrong. Catholic Church historically was even funding science, research and education. (not saying it was 100% ofc). Actually atheists historically are trying to erase creativity. Look at socialism in soviet union especially Stalin. They killed millions of people. They hated religion as it was giving people hope. They wanted mindless workers who would not question anything. So actually you not being able to watch the video is being closed minded.
At the end of this video, he had just scratched the surface of the purpose of K-12 indoctrination camps. Anyone interested in the history, mission, and result of the “schools”, please watch John Taylor Gatto’s A Short, Angry, History Of American Education. I cannot recommend his book, Dumbing Us Down, highly enough.
I like the line by JP "ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A CREATIVE ACCOUNTANT? CERTAINLY NOT! UNLESS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A JAIL SENTENCE...." BRILLIANT!
When he said people come in and kick the artists out hit hard. Me and a friend convinced a club owner in the downtown area to let us put on an art show. We invited any artists we knew to bring their art. He was the promoter type whereas I was the creative. Our efforts gained attention, but before we could get too much further, the club owner allowed someone else to come in and take over, someone more 'popular' in the local scene. Fast forward 10 years or so, and now our downtown has all kinds of "art" painted on the exterior of buildings. Some of ii is pretty good while others, it's easy to tell, are these people that think they are artists, if you know what I mean. Either way, my friend and I have been completely forgotten.
I'm a very creative person, visionary and the problems with the world stem from the many levels and reach of indoctrinations through a need to fit in rather than stand out. If you are an outlier it take a time to build a path for others to follow as a leader, where as if you lead just to fit in then it is easier to make money etc.
It is the path of least resistance
@@standardofexcellence Yeah, you know you're a visionary when less creative people call your ideas crazy, but those whose creativity you admire call you brilliant. Such is the case for me; however, my comment wasn't about a desire to make money or even to receive recognition. It was just an experience I chose to share.
"these people that think they are artists" Or was it you?
@@VICEGoblin So, are you saying that I think I'm an artist? If that's the case, then I can tell you that I use colored calked (chalk pastels) and make portraits that people mistake for photographs until they are right up on them. I have been in galleries and art shows. I have sold my works, and I have had experts in art praise my works, some as far away as South Africa. And all this is a natural talent that I have had at least since I was 6 years old. I never went to any art Insititute. My high school's art teacher begged me to join her class even though I told her she couldn't teach me anything only to finally sign up to her class just for her to agree with me and tell my i was better than her and that she couldn't teach me anything. So, just in case you're wondering if I'm one of those that "thinks" they're an artist, I do not "think" I'm an artist. I AM an artist.
@@ericmatthews9894 Sorry who are you? -- never heard of you.
The way this man unravels the reality of the world never fails to surprise me.
lol he’s not even engaged with reality. He lives in his own little world. So he’s no unraveled anything.
@@CactusCowboyDan What part of his explanations in this video does not engage with reality? Genuine question. Beacuse I think he nails it spot on.
@@mjp152 1: First off the title.
He uses the word “cursed”. Which is a religious term. It has no bearing on reality because curses are not a real thing.
2: His analogy about the marked zebra is wrong. Because most creative people are not famous or well known. They just work and create stuff as regular people. They hardly ever stand out for the “lion” to suddenly hunt.
3: He says childhood trauma ties into being creative. No it doesn’t. I’m a creative person and I work with hundreds of creative people. None of us have any baggage. And even if we did, it doesn’t make us more or less creative.
I didn’t watch the rest after that because it would have been more dribble from a man who thinks anyone who doesn’t want kids are “deluded or immature”.
Hes incredibly out of touch.
@@CactusCowboyDan A lot of anecdotal claims. Which is fine, but I could cite just as many anecdotes about my experiences that supports what he says. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.
@@mjp152 Explain to me how saying there’s no such thing as “curses” is a claim? It’s a fact.
Same goes for everything else I’ve said.
If anything it’s JP making the claims. Only he’s got no evidence or facts behind him.
This is great stuff; Jordan Peterson is awesome. There is another angle to creativity, modern American society demands a high level of education to graduate high school. Most jobs don't need a master's degree; the people are being herded to the colleges for nonsense reasons with the carrot before the horse, in order to ensnare the people with magic dreams of a better life and leave them in the condition of indentured servitude. There is a reason why you don't give a homeless man a Ferrari, he cannot afford the taxes, he doesn't have a place for it, and the car is only going to be stolen by the gangs: People have to step up for education, not be dragged into indentured servitude with false promises and unvetted careers (nobody looked to care for the easy student loans). So, we have a creative society that is being run ragged, deprived of benefits, and give their money to other people, and this is a form of abuse: They cannot achieve their needed rewards by a system rigged against the people: This is an ancient practice, it is Americans that do it to college students, that is demand that they be creative all the time and take away the rewards.
true, a system rigged against them, and if they not wake up they cannot get out of that
The zebra story hit home...
Most people don't want to stand out even though they tell you they do. Tattoos used to be edgy. Now you stand out more if you don't have them.
I'd argue there's another experiment where they coated horses with zebra patterns and they survived more often to mosquito carrying diseases.
Doesn't mean the zebra stripes gives a single adaptive solution, but I think it the red patch isn't a good experiment. What if any animal gets more hunted if it stands out, thats a control group. Furthermore, ecologists usually can't make good experiments because their experimental dessing usually gets flawed toward their enamored hypothesis
I agree on his take on education i am creative and i hated school and all teachers who only taught facts.
Enjoyed art, woodwork and metal work also music , gym was ok when it was outside .
Primary school i used to gaze out the high windows and watch the clouds.
Im building a seed cleaner now and its very much about the way air moves, fascinating.
Creative writing can be a buzz too if you dont have a goverment jailer making you sit down for hours every day.😊
They don’t really get the facts right half the time either
Bottom of the class, bottom of 4 streams, teenager. Watched seagulls wheel and glide over the playing fields, doodled in margins. Didn't misbehave.
Detention in Library.
Librarian reported back that l was reading
books,
on detention,
in the Library.
Detention in corridor.
rinse
repeat.
Mature student, Tutors didnt understand my drawing ideas from multiple outside fields, and synthesizing new questions. (politely)
Sent to Learning Support (Lol) Tutor as a last resort , who rolled her eyes - scraped together funding for an IQ test.
Didnt feed back the results upstairs - would have been politically non expedient.
printed them out for me. (Top 10 percentile)
Society
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Dude comes with such out of the box thumbnail its legendary.
*comes up with
I did awful in school. I got better grades doing schoolwork on my own. But teachers didn’t like that I wasn’t “participating” so they kept failing me even though I got As on tests and my work. It was clear to me as a student that school systems don’t care about you learning, they care about your obedience.
Yup, the corporate overlords that run this country want indentured servants living paycheck to paycheck. They don't want future potential competition. So that's why the public school system is geared towards shaping workers, NOT entrepreneurs.
You had the basics down. Once you had that, you were able to make up the OBVIOUS route. Good critical iq
As a creative person, this video kinda stings in that it's not necessarily untrue, particularly regarding how creatives and artists don't always excel. My specific era of creativity is in music. There's something so magical about taking the inherent chaos of sound-which is often a chaotic assortment of frequencies-and mushing them together to create something that the human brain enjoys hearing, something that can invoke real emotions or feelings. There's a certain level of psychological understanding that goes into building a musical pattern the brain can enjoy without it being too repetitive.
Trying to find my place in society, one that allows me to pursue my passion while continuing to create music for others to enjoy, all while maintaining a frugal, minimalist lifestyle, has been difficult and disheartening. However, lately, it feels like opportunities for growth have been aligning.
It looks like I'm on the right path in pursuing my career as a musician in web3, but it's still scary-the uncertainty of it all.
Thanks for this video, and God bless.
Wow. A lot of things make sense now! Thanks to this fellow
That story about zebras and lions remind me my Army days. You never want to stand out.
They work in movies and advertising where they are taken advantage of by people very much like the people who originated their trauma. They craft stories, sounds and visuals in an attempt to elicit positive feedback. I lived this life and thankfully have come close to the end.
Theater kids aren't creative
i love this so much. they're invalidating their own experiences if they focus on elcting one emotion in people. all emotions are valid, therefore its not art, it's manipulation for uncreative people.
What the heck, this is the best clip of JP i've ever seen, cheers for the editing
That was brilliant but then again it’s Jordan so I guess I shouldn’t be surprised
Hans Eysenck*
Spent few minutes searching for the Hans Issac book
This felt like a rant but uplifting at the same time. LOL
Slightly speeding up the video footage to fit your arbitrarily chosen five minute format isn't the best way to present this borrowed material.
Kinda like a hidden face no-name comment. Talking important things. I agree. Semper Fidelis
Agreed...
Yeah it's a very bad format.
@@doncoyote68 Choosing five minutes for your video duration is a perfectly good format. Presenting this borrowed material as if it were original is in poor taste, created just to promote a channel and get clicks, comments and likes, and could be considered disrespectful to the original owner, presumably Dr. Peterson. Speeding it up for your presentation adds insult to injury.
Your arbitrary
Like how the sheep singled me out for not wearing a muzzle during the plan... They were hunting an invisible pathogen that was never found, but could easily spot a bare faced Human as if it were a red spotted zebra.
haha love this
wow!
“Jargon”… 😂😂😂😂🤣🤣 I love his brain.
Everyone is an artist in the 24-hour social media world.
I think this also highlights what he was saying too. I think that true creativity is born from trauma, you see the world differently than others especially places that may resemble how you feel internally. Now everyone thinks they are artists but they lack the problem solving, they don’t have anything to solve, they just make thing to monetize off of it while real artists struggle and starve
@@ezekielduncan2261 Right on. trauma, crisis, struggle, pain,
Why don't other psychologists tell these truths ?????
to make you come back... why 😂😂😂😂😂 money
@@florinnatu yes of course that's true. But mostly on a subconscious level . . . i suspect. Why so ??? Because the assumption is everyone who works a job . . . must be more or less a decent human being. But of course that's only an assumption. We know reality doesn't always match our assumptions.
@@piehound true, yes... but tbh...decent human beings are rare in this new, constantly ego-feeding society. so one should expect quite the opposite from the get go and avoid disappointments
@@florinnatu I understand your pov. But in psychology there's a definite difference between (1) how people think of themselves. That's called ego. And (2) how they behave. It's called behavior. In other words good people sometimes do bad things. The phenomenon is called by several different names. (a) Self - deception (b) Hypocrisy (c) Dissociation, psychopathy, or sociopathy. (d) the bible thousands of year old says *THE (human) HEART IS DECEITFUL ABOVE ALL THINGS AND DESPERATELY WICKED.* (e) None of that is news. It's been going on since Cain murdered Abel. Are you disappointed❓❓❓❓❓❓❓
@piehound no i'am not. not any more, because i'am old and had to deal with tons of humans. of course all you discribed are human traits, and one has to admit it, no matter if one is religious or a non-believer. but like i said, to go into the world assuming a good intention when dealing with people will get you disappointed. not you in particular
“Do you want a creative accountant?”
Me: “maybe if you’re Enron”
Crushing creativity is something we do in the West and were are awesome at it!
For example, I wanted to study music at the Royal Conservatory and I was self taught and back then even had perfect pitch and although I couldn't read music (not a very useful skill outside of playing orchestrated music). So they were amazed with some of the music I'd written (and recorded! because I am a tech head and in the late 80s recording was hard on a 4 track tape recorder!) Then came the dreaded "play sheet music" I fumbled through the first one I fucked up the second one. And they were like: "that's not very good... I think we should leave it with that." And I am like: "I come here to learn... If I already know everything why come here? Do you think they honestly ask a student who's going to study electronics if they already know the resistor colour codes? Or am aspiring astronomer if he already knows the distance to Alpha Centrauri and Beetleguise and what composition of what star emits what frequency of light?" Well, talking back in higher learning is a definite no go. So I ended up getting into studying Electronic Engineering, even without out graduating in mathematics in high school -- I just couldn't wrap my head around it. They were like: "If you do the summer course and you pass with 55% you can enrol".
Now ironically EE was somehow trivial for me, so I had a lot of time on my hands to gig with the 2 bands I was in and do session work.
My friends who went to the conservatory are dead poor on the dole (one now is a program manager at a public tv station). Where I supplemented a great income with good money in music and later also Film and TV. So studying arts is dumb, don't! HAS NO VALUE!
Being an artist first is DUMB get a REAL JOB and become an artist second.
maybe you overrated your talent. they didn't compare you with someone who already learnt, they pheraps compared with people in your same state, and you still were behind, maybe they saved you from chasing something you can't catch. Ego is a bad thing.
@ I think I must have had something otherwise you don’t even get invited to audition - especially not for someone who’d been playing for 3 years (well 7 years or you count piano but I switched to neo/classical guitar). And it wouldn’t explain why I ended doing music professionally and my peers who went into the conservatory didn’t even land a single job outside some subsided orchestral work - which they didn’t like doing. I don’t have an ego, I always know there are people who are better and I strive to improve. The only problem was the playing from sheet music during the audition.
And Frankly a degree in electrical engineering was a far further reach than music theory and composition -which is simple in comparison. Especially for me as I sucked at mathematics and the fact I made it through EE is still a miracle to me. And I literally had only basic electronics knowledge in high school physics level.
And I’m glad though because engineering always kept me in money when arts project dried up. I didn’t have to be on the dole like my peers who did study that liberal arts nonsense 😄
I love jorden when he speaks psychology but not theology
TH-cam sends me a video about how smart people are cursed. Then how dumb people are cursed. Now it's creative people that are actually cursed. Can we all just come out and say the truth that ALL people are cursed?
That YT algorithm is SO random...Once it will.suggested a row of bald ppl with glasses - because it matches thumbnails too. hahaha
Those that 'notice things' are cursed with noticing things and even sometines cursed at for noticing things!
'Noticing things' is the point where life gets really interesting tho, imo.
I am a middle school digital art teacher. I begin the semester by putting a prompt on the board that says 'Draw' and is followed with a logo of a company. 95% of the students try to redraw the logo as exact as possible. I revisit this with a new logo two months later and 75% still just draw a logo. I revisit the prompt at the end of the semester and 60% just redraw the logo. I don't poison the prompt by telling them to be creative, but I tell them constantly throughout the rest of the semester.
I tell them they are NPCs who go from class to class learning binary, but I guess for most people they will just be consumers and that's okay. I would die.
My ADHD brain would go nuts, but It's gotta be a cool school if you have a middle school digital art teacher. Heck, where I grew up, you got art classes in Highschool, and there was no digital at all. All traditional. Was fun though. I enjoyed art and I plan on setting aside more time to do it.
i think this way about religion. Why are you following someone else's widsom. Find it your own way, write your own bible.
@ That it wise. I do think having something to tether to that you believe is good if it is used to give boundaries to your creativity.
This man said," Give em hell" he himself is immature and full of rage. How can he give advice to anyone?
It's more about who take it. Parents give advices all the time, would children heed them? And then we have people taking tiktok's advices nowadays.
The funny thing is that ancient people already knew that trauma leads to creativity. If you read the story of Cain and Abel as a secularist and not the fairy tale manner in which most Christians view it, then Cain is a direct example of a traumatized child using that trauma to better the world. After God plays favorites with him and he murders his brother, Cain does not become a wanderer who never accomplishes anything as God decrees. He travels to Nod, finds a wife, bears a son, builds a city that he names after that son, and sires an entire bloodline that, according to scripture, is then responsible for the technologies that lead to the rise of human civilization, such as herding live stock, creating music and art, and working brass and iron.
Imagine the good that could have come from that story if people actually got that lesson from the story instead of seeing it as the story of the first act of murder.
1:54 ... his name is Hans Eysenck , not Isaac
Dang he really didn’t proof read before uploading.
As Neil Peart put it:
"I hear their passionate music
Read the words that touch my heart
I gaze at their feverish pictures
The secrets that set them apart
When I feel the powerful visions
Their fire has made alive
I wish I had that instinct
I wish I had that drive...
It's cold comfort
To the ones without it
To know how they struggled
How they suffered about it
If their lives were exotic and strange
They would likely have gladly exchanged them
For something a little more plain
Maybe something a little more sane" - Rush, "Mission"
Creative people can make solo companies these days
where can i find the full video?
A zebra doesn't have to be faster than the lionesses. It just has to faster than the slowest of the rest of the zebras
Well that explains my entire life in a couple of sentences. I've always thought creativity was a curse because no matter how many skills I gain through my striving and hard work, nothing seems good enough to me. Dissatisfaction with my work is burden. There are always new skills to gain, others to improve and even, more to master completely ... and NO ONE is ever done learning, I certainly am not! I realized I did not belong in modern education when I went to a community college for a short time... what a fiasco!
1:53 the name of the Psychologist is "Hans Jürgen Eysenck" not Hans Isaac btw
DaFoe is easily a shoe-in for a Van Gogh movie.
The man is such a legend!! Love him.😊
what's the name of of this podcast ??
More people write books by far than ever read books. The reason creative people are cursed is pretty straightforward. In general, society is very much dumbed down, media addicted, anti-intellectual, and holds a disdain for creativity. There doesn't need to be any more looking into it than that. When it's obvious, the answer's going to be obvious.
Anyone know what those Vincent Van Gogh clips are from?
The Japanese version of the zebra story is "the nail with the head raised is the first to be hit with the hammer"
@1:53 Hans Jurgen Eysenck is the man who wrote about genius, not Hans Isaac as the video mistakenly shows. Eysenck also noticed physical differences in the brains of extroverts and introverts. Hans Isaac is a film director. Schopenhauer wrote insightfully about genius.
It’s Hans Eysenck, not Hans Isaac!
Spoke too soon: just the very beginning of the full lecture has bad audio! Most of it is good audio! (Jordan Peterson Lectures: Exploring the Psychology of Creativity)
Thanks for this video! 🙂🙃 I'm curious-did you enhance the audio? The original lecture I’ve found has poor, lossy audio and is hard to hear. Does anyone know where I can find a clear, high-quality version of the full lecture? Thank you!
As a user interface designer who grew up in an emotionally negligent home: can confirm.
I don't even know what to say
I'm stressed from work already
the uncreative always think artists are the only creatives
He's making need feel good about my eccentric outsider musfit - but actually also outstandingly cool and constructive life trajectory
Thank you so much you have helped me out so much to understand life the way it works you have really made a super positive influence in my life when I was suicidal and was homeless and every one was doubting me even my self I brain washed my self to work hard and never give up until I reached my goals now I owen 3cars and buying a new truck and owe my house and property, some times in life we all need some light in the darkness thank you for being that light, God bless, I pray you walk in God hands
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"Childhood is the credit balance of the writer." --Graham Greene
2:25 I don’t know what triggered this but, yeah, feeling creative!
Why is there no way to shut off the damn captions?
Reminds me of when i had no money but magically started a business too.
There’s a kind of wisdom that, like bubblegum, looks great, tastes good, gives you something to chew on, but does very little to sustain your viability... ;)
Genius: The Natural History of Creativity by H. J. Eysenck
Dimensions of Personality by Hans J. Eysenck
Wise words
as soon as he said, worked at Mdonalds, and then no. and elaborated, I realize the developer turned up and kicked everyone out.
the stripes are there to deter flies too
Without music, art etc in the world, it would just be so dull and overly cerebral
I found the original, but I couldn't find the part where Jordan says schools were built to run like factories.
Creative people keep our civilization moving. Without them, we would live in a cave and eat among the rest of the animal kingdom.
The Divine Feminine Principle aspects are power, creativity, and chaos, the right brain/left side of the body controls these aspects within you, however, the Divine Masculine Principle gives the Divine Feminine's chaos order as it creates (Condensed Chaos) an identity (Masterpiece)
i fully agree.
4:15: I think he meant "late 1800's".
Why cant I find NOTHING about this man HANS ISAAC nor this GENIUS book????
HANS EYSENCK, video had the translation wrong
I have always said, it's a curse...
Man, what if Jordan Peterson had just focused his intellect on just comedy.
Many died laughing. So damn brilliant.
I know a lot of people don't like him.
Its only because he jerks your shorts down in front of the crowd, figuratively speaking, of course.
At least lions (I think) are color blind. So a zebra is way more camouflaged than a lion
This man is genius intellectual.
Shame he talks utter bollocks half the time then 🤣
Yes!
STORY OF MY LIFE!
zebra is a good camouflage, look up ship camo
Hans Eysenck not "Isaac".
The stripes are so fly’s are
Confused and can’t land
Do you have any scars?
Sorry, all my scars are emotional. Wanna buy a cool sculpture, or unique prototype gadget?
Another sad point about being a creative AND trying to make a living at it, is when the economy dips, artists are the first ones to get laid-off or just straight-up shit-canned.
New boss buys business from old boss. New boss brings his 14 year old son to the art dept and orders a certain artist to "..show him everything. Train him to do what you do, color seps, offset press stuff. Not even 2 months later, gone, laid-off.
Rumor says that artist dreamed about burning that fucking thing to the ground.. but.. that's just a rumor. Nothing bad ever happened because he moved on to much better things.
Even with these chains, you can't stop me
The psychologist mentioned at 1:54 is named Hans Eysenck and not Hans Isaac.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Eysenck
Some people think the nice man is wrong here, or there is a bad title.
He's not wrong, and you can understand the title with just a bit of nuance.
Nor is JP the Second Coming, nor claims to be, but he's making observations, a bit like Deming.
"Necessity is the mother of invention." Well, kinda. Especially when we talk about USEFUL invention. The saying applies not only to people, but to other intelligent beings like foxes, and dogs, and chimps, and orcas. What we call "creativity" is also harder to categorize than some think. Is it always solving problems, or daydreaming? Can we learn to be creative "just like someone else"? The many students of visual arts and music, and even engineering, seem to provide evidence that we can. Are we creative only when we create new ideas, or new images, or sounds, out of whole cloth, seemingly every piece of it new? Or are we equally to be regarded as creative when we see a way to combine, or use, already invented, created, things in a new and different way? ("I have stood on the shoulders of giants.") How much of our creativity is simply that we are made in the image of our Creator?
Is creativity always a good and desirable thing? And (here, I suppose, is the "curse") do creators benefit, or are they injured, by their creations, or the time and energy so spent that could have been spent elsewhere?
What of the guy who has the best idea since sliced bread, but instead of pursuing its realization, pursues creating a good and moral environment for his family, who sets aside his "art" in favor of building a sound and honest next generation? Whether we look at it that way or not, each of us creates a life out of the opportunities we have and the decisions we make about them. True, some take little thought about these things, and live rather irresponsibly, or (we might say) cluelessly. Hardly all.
So creative people begin with suffering and end as lion fodder. But against that may be weighed the never-ending show in their heads. Through it, they might still get more out of life than most others. If it were a thing possible to see, it might, in those of more ordinary talents (and provided they could fathom it), occasion considerable envy.
Btw, top accountants _are_ pretty creative. You don't want a plodder. (A successful accountant and interesting person told me this. Pity he was stuck in accountancy; but then, demand for lion-tamers is perennially weak.)
Ive always thought daydreaming is bad
Jesus loves you he want to know you, you don’t have to run from God he just wants a relationship with you God blessed
If Jesus or God loves me, why is it that we only hear it from you religious types, rather than from Jesus or God themselves. Let them do their own f*cking lobbying.....for Christ's sake, er, for our sake.
Or, to put it another way, stuff it.
The bible tells us we are accountable servants of God and the work we must focus on is to believe on the one he sent . This will bring about untold good changes in not only who you are but what you do .
Why?
God is dead. Embrace the suck
Why is there always religious nutters in these comment sections
What?
I'll be forgotten, and that's good. Though Doctor, you'll be remembered. As long as civilization exists. Tread carefully, lol. 1997-2006 Marine infantryman Sgt.100P.T. Josh Florence, Wisconsin assassin's
Can lions see in color?
All I can say is 😢
I don't get it. What do zebras have to do with creativity?
Naff all, it's Jordan Peterson trying to bamboozle people into thinking he is clever again.
Almost sounds like he’s down on creativity or something 😮
Anyone see a problem with being marked
Or in other words chosen?
@ yeah, chosen to be eaten by the lion
“There’s no reason to be creative unless you have a problem to solve.”
That’s the most stupid, ignorant thing I’ve ever heard. I can only imagine that spoken by someone with no creative bone in his body, someone who fails to appreciate beauty for beauty’s sake, someone who has no sense of wonder about the world. No, sometimes being creative is just something done for its own benefit, or for the sheer joy of taking an image, a poem, or a melody that’s in your mind and seeing or hearing it actualized. Necessity is not always the mother of invention. Sometimes invention occurs for the sheer joy of being able to give birth to an idea.
We're here, struggling and fighting uphill everyday to create universes and incredible music and stories without any help or the funding needed to get it to a competitive quality. haha :p
my life sucked yet I'm neither creative nor smart, wah waah waaaah
Now the girls would turn the color of an avocado
When he'd drive down the street in his Eldorado
He was only 5 fool 3, girls could not resist his stare......
Pablo Picasso was never called an asshol
I'm not gonna watch this video because of the headline. But to say that creative people are cursed is something I would expect a religious person to say, because they don't want people to think they want you to be mindless sheep easily controlled, creative people are thinkers.
young people are extremely atheistic and i dont think they are great at thinking, hard to imagine but americans average iq is actually shrinking
You are wrong. Catholic Church historically was even funding science, research and education. (not saying it was 100% ofc). Actually atheists historically are trying to erase creativity. Look at socialism in soviet union especially Stalin. They killed millions of people. They hated religion as it was giving people hope. They wanted mindless workers who would not question anything. So actually you not being able to watch the video is being closed minded.
Please change the thumbnail, people who watch jordan peterson are probably more disciplined than that anyway, I came here for the title btw
At the end of this video, he had just scratched the surface of the purpose of K-12 indoctrination camps.
Anyone interested in the history, mission, and result of the “schools”, please watch John Taylor Gatto’s A Short, Angry, History Of American Education. I cannot recommend his book, Dumbing Us Down, highly enough.
Adderall is a hellava drug
I both hate and love Jordon Peterson
What's with all the TH-cam channels regurgitating other people's content? Can you actually get monetized doing this?
It's a pity he went off of the deep end into interprating Christian litriture.
Jordan been hanging around comedians too much lol
Why is he not crying?