This is a very sad story. Mental illness is real to me because of my son. However, she didn’t commit suicide because she purchased a gun, she committed suicide because of her illness.
Nothing here is anti gun, why be so reactionary where it isn't necessary? We have some issues with gun laws in this country, saying that isn't anti gun. I just feel like people are so quick to give a knee jerk reaction over the tiniest criticism of any kind of gun policy
@@felixthecat2786also the husband is feeling bad/guilty that she was able to get guns he didn’t know about even while she had had a suicide attempt. It’s so easy for victims to blame themselves. Until they can accept that even if she didn’t have guns she could have found/used just about any other easy method. Her brain told her life is too dark and needs relief by death. And it was going to happen no matter how much he loved or tried to protect her. ❤️🙏 I pray he can find some peace instead of shouldering blame. So hard.
So very sorry for your loss. My brother died by suicide in 2012. You are not to blame. I felt the same that I was a bad sister. Mental health issues are so misunderstood. I have struggled myself and found that developing self love, which I still am working on, has helped on my healing journey. To anyone suffering ask for help and the right medication can be a lifesaver. No shame. I care a lot. Blessings to you and your beautiful family.
I don’t bc no one with a past suicide attempt or any mental help hospitalization should be allowed to purchase a firearm especially so soon after it. Now the episode was 10 yrs ago and nothing sense then, than maybe, but to ignore the facts just for the money… now that’s ridiculous and disturbing.
@@emilywiebel3238 guns dont kill people people kill people ! And trust even if she didn’t get the gun to kill herself she would have found another way to do it. When a person really want’s commit suicide they will do it and there is nothing that will be able to stop them!🙄
How is the person who sold her a firearm suppose to know that she previously tried to commit suicide do they get some kind of a notice saying don’t sell a gun to this person because they tried to commit suicide I don’t understand how a gun shop person is suppose to know that ‼️‼️
Mental illness is self declared on a background check, also illegal drugs are self declared. I’m really sorry for his loss, yet to blame the person who sold her the weapon is not right. She would find another way.
The person I sold the gun has nothing to do with us and that was just not called for. If a gun wasn't available there's a plethora of ways you can k!ll yourself.
To those with a loved one who commits suicide are easy to blame themselves, but if it wasn’t guns it would have been a knife, a car exhaust, or drugs/alcohol or any myriad of other methods. I have a close family member with suicidal tendencies. You learn fast they can do it when you sleep or when just “going to the bathroom” or the “store” or whatever. We can do our part, but must radically accept that their mental health may win. It’s an awful place to have to be. For my loved one a robe tie was enough in her mind. We can try and control their environments and even go to the bathroom with them at times but we just can’t cover every second. Adding…Their brains work against them so hard and sadly an impulsive moment is all it takes. 😭
He's just making the point that people with a history of suicide attempts shouldn't be able to easily purchase a gun. I think that's a reasonable argument, don't you?
He’s just processing his grief in blaming the gun seller. Anger is definitely one of the stages of grief. The seller has no culpability in her death. Probably why we shouldn’t make it so easy to acquire a gun.
I agree. She made the choice, sad as it is. So if someone bought a car and got in a wreck, it's somehow the fault of the person who sold it? I don't think so!!
@@truenorth3077 exactly. She could have crashed her car if she wanted to go that badly and couldn’t buy a gun. Robin Williams went by belt. So many souls have been lost at bridges and ravines. She was NOT ok, and should have been taken into medical custody for her own safety.
No they don’t do enough I’ve had depression ever since I was a young kid and I never got help until I was in my 30s and still then I’ve been depressed up-and-down
Ruth. I understand 100 percent. What I try to do for me, is, I do not drink or do drugs. I have socially drank before, NEVER drugs, but I had an episode after drinking, so I haven't touched any drink in 7 years, because I KNOW what will happen. I do have a supportive partner, and I can be open and honest with him. I am not an expert, by far, but go to something more positive, like a book, or comedy, anything that can divert you. If we can get through THAT day, tomorrow is usually always better. Hugs❤
"Liquid courage" is a terrible thing for those who suffer with mental health issues. I am not a huge fan of guns, but the person who sold her the gun, did nothing wrong, how was that person to know? If we want to go, we WILL find a way. When one struggles with mental health, it is a terribly, lonely place. I find that most docs, nurses, etc, don't give a damn, too busy to care about someone that will be a distant memory, easily forgotten for them. I have had many occasions where I just need some help, and by professionals, they have turned the other cheek. RIP lovely lady...i completely understand, i hate to say it, but i do. 🙏🏻
😢Professionals turn the other cheek...it is so disappointing when they have education to help, maybe they aren't empathetic to others that need it the most.(?) I hope you have support in other places. Kindest regards
I've also felt ignored by those in the medical and mental health field when reaching out for help. I have always felt it's because I'm female and so Dr's don't take me seriously. I keep my thoughts and feelings to myself now to avoid being further traumatized. I agree that it's a terribly lonely place.
Why should mental illness struggles be so taboo, tragic, and viewed as unmentionable. I'm sorry for your loss. I'm glad it is being more openly spoken about more often. Note: at the end you mention a number for alcoholism when you should have probably mention resources for mental health and suicidal ideation. This mentality that if we talk about suicide people are going to be enabled to do it, is totally outdated.
It’s because her choice destroyed him…in a very real sense, he feels as though she killed him too. There’s no joy in his life without her. Couples usually decide to make big decisions together, but she made the ultimate choice on her own, as though not caring enough what gut-wrenching pain and grief it would cause for years, if not the rest of his and the children’s lives, to come. Suicide is the ultimate selfish act. It benefits only that person and shatters the lives of those who love them. The victim has relief, but the loved ones are imprisoned by unspeakable pain, grief, guilt, loss, and devastation that is only beginning. BUT…the person who does it is not in their right mind. They are deeply, deeply mentally ill and suffering beyond their ability to go on. So, yes, those left behind go through a phase of anger/hatred/betrayal of what the victim has thrust upon them. It takes time to process all the many emotions that explode within…or slowly bubble to the surface in from a seemingly bottomless pit from hell. I this helps you maybe understand a little bit more.
@@ggrace1133 “Suicide is the ultimate selfish act” I have a huge problem with that statement! It could also be considered selfish to expect someone to continue living for your own happiness when they are completely miserable. No, I am not saying Suicide is the answer. But to label someone as selfish when you don’t know them and their pain is ignorant.
Not saying this is the case here at all but Very often the partner is the one who drives a partner to take their own life. Not feeling loved, respected, overwhelmed, nagged and judged for their substance abuse. It can all get too much.
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:6
I'm sorry but my son had 7 guns. But he hung himself with a electrical cord. Suicide needs to come out of the closet!!!! It NEEDS to be talked about more.
How was there an alcoholic "mommy blogger?" You cannot go dry without substituting some type of mental health treatment. Sobriety probably revealed something that happened to her as a child that she could not take. Lesson learned: Caring for each other is more important than judging one another.
For those 'defending' the gun seller: what benefit do you think will come from making a comment on youtube under a video about someone's suicide? The gun seller doesn't need you to defend them. People in your life with mental health issues need you to understand the seriousness of what Heather, and they, suffer. The gun seller needs nothing from you.
People who make a living off of selling weapons that are designed to kill living beings need to be held to a higher standard. People who make laws need to make sure these higher standards are in place and that these dealers are 100% aware of who they are selling to. The fact of the matter is that the lawmakers and the dealers don't want to see this happen, so they advocate very successfully against with the support of people like yourself. We hold tobacco companies responsible for the deaths of those who use their products. We need to hold gun dealers responsible for the deaths their business brings into the world. Signed: An owner of a firearm who 100% supports legislative gun control because it's the logical thing to do.
Agreed! If she didn’t use a gun, she would’ve found another way to kill herself. Depression is the main culprit. Hanging and pill overdose are two very common methods used in suicide.
I don't think she was a "...pillar of strength for all women" if she killed herself. A pillar of strength is someone who gets the help that they need, are there for their loved ones and stays around. She took a quitter's way out.
What a sh*tty thing to say! Until you've walked a mile in her shoes you have no idea what emotional battles this woman fought. Your ignorant heavily stigmatized comment is an example of why so many come to such a desperate state and are afraid to ask for help. Anyone who takes their life is in an unimaginable state of hopelessness and they believe it is their only option of escaping. Your lack of empathy for one in such pain, is alarming and disgusting. Educate yourself and do better.
Not necessarily. Some people say they have a good life and dont even understand why they should feel depressed. Thats depression for you. Sometimes we just feel like we haven’t achieved enough in life even when truly we have achieved alot. And that alone can make ppl suicidal.
This is a very sad story. Mental illness is real to me because of my son. However, she didn’t commit suicide because she purchased a gun, she committed suicide because of her illness.
Nothing here is anti gun, why be so reactionary where it isn't necessary? We have some issues with gun laws in this country, saying that isn't anti gun. I just feel like people are so quick to give a knee jerk reaction over the tiniest criticism of any kind of gun policy
@@felixthecat2786 you’re quick to judge that I’m anti gun. What’s your point, Felix?
@@felixthecat2786 How in the world are you picking up "anti gun" from her comment?
She purchased a gun so she could commit suicide. It's way too easy for everyone to get a gun in this country.
@@felixthecat2786also the husband is feeling bad/guilty that she was able to get guns he didn’t know about even while she had had a suicide attempt.
It’s so easy for victims to blame themselves. Until they can accept that even if she didn’t have guns she could have found/used just about any other easy method. Her brain told her life is too dark and needs relief by death. And it was going to happen no matter how much he loved or tried to protect her. ❤️🙏
I pray he can find some peace instead of shouldering blame. So hard.
I lost my fiancé to addictions, it's been a tough year.
I'm so sorry for your loss 😢
So very sorry for your loss. My brother died by suicide in 2012. You are not to blame. I felt the same that I was a bad sister. Mental health issues are so misunderstood. I have struggled myself and found that developing self love, which I still am working on, has helped on my healing journey. To anyone suffering ask for help and the right medication can be a lifesaver. No shame. I care a lot. Blessings to you and your beautiful family.
It’s wrong for him to blame the person who sold her a firearm!
I don’t bc no one with a past suicide attempt or any mental help hospitalization should be allowed to purchase a firearm especially so soon after it. Now the episode was 10 yrs ago and nothing sense then, than maybe, but to ignore the facts just for the money… now that’s ridiculous and disturbing.
@@emilywiebel3238 guns dont kill people people kill people ! And trust even if she didn’t get the gun to kill herself she would have found another way to do it. When a person really want’s commit suicide they will do it and there is nothing that will be able to stop them!🙄
I am so sorry for your loss!😢 RIP🙏🏻🙏🏻
How is the person who sold her a firearm suppose to know that she previously tried to commit suicide do they get some kind of a notice saying don’t sell a gun to this person because they tried to commit suicide I don’t understand how a gun shop person is suppose to know that ‼️‼️
That's why background checks should be mandatory nationwide! Duh!!!
@@ileniepowell background checks don’t tell someone’s mental health history….
Mental illness is self declared on a background check, also illegal drugs are self declared.
I’m really sorry for his loss, yet to blame the person who sold her the weapon is not right. She would find another way.
The person I sold the gun has nothing to do with us and that was just not called for. If a gun wasn't available there's a plethora of ways you can k!ll yourself.
I didn't know it was a gun. JFC. 😕
❤️ broken. I struggle mightily and it's day to day. Sending hugs to her family and especially her partner
To those with a loved one who commits suicide are easy to blame themselves, but if it wasn’t guns it would have been a knife, a car exhaust, or drugs/alcohol or any myriad of other methods.
I have a close family member with suicidal tendencies. You learn fast they can do it when you sleep or when just “going to the bathroom” or the “store” or whatever. We can do our part, but must radically accept that their mental health may win. It’s an awful place to have to be.
For my loved one a robe tie was enough in her mind. We can try and control their environments and even go to the bathroom with them at times but we just can’t cover every second.
Adding…Their brains work against them so hard and sadly an impulsive moment is all it takes. 😭
What a truthful and very accurate comment. Thank you.
Thank you, very accurate.
I know he’s in pain, but he cant blame the seller of the weapon. How would they know she had mental illness? It’s not in a database.
I miss your presence Heather. I think of you often.
That’s crap. The person who sold the fire arm is not at fault.
He's just making the point that people with a history of suicide attempts shouldn't be able to easily purchase a gun. I think that's a reasonable argument, don't you?
He’s just processing his grief in blaming the gun seller. Anger is definitely one of the stages of grief. The seller has no culpability in her death. Probably why we shouldn’t make it so easy to acquire a gun.
How is the decision an adult woman made about ending her own life a fault of a gun store employee? This man’s thinking is mind-boggling 😯
Easier to blame a stranger than it is to blame yourself/the person you loved who is responsible.
I agree. She made the choice, sad as it is. So if someone bought a car and got in a wreck, it's somehow the fault of the person who sold it? I don't think so!!
@@truenorth3077 exactly. She could have crashed her car if she wanted to go that badly and couldn’t buy a gun. Robin Williams went by belt. So many souls have been lost at bridges and ravines. She was NOT ok, and should have been taken into medical custody for her own safety.
your lack of empathy and of any human kindness is whats mind boggling here Anna Szabo!
No they don’t do enough I’ve had depression ever since I was a young kid and I never got help until I was in my 30s and still then I’ve been depressed up-and-down
Don't give up, keep seeking the help you need until you get it and remember, mental health is part of regular health.
Ruth. I understand 100 percent. What I try to do for me, is, I do not drink or do drugs. I have socially drank before, NEVER drugs, but I had an episode after drinking, so I haven't touched any drink in 7 years, because I KNOW what will happen. I do have a supportive partner, and I can be open and honest with him. I am not an expert, by far, but go to something more positive, like a book, or comedy, anything that can divert you. If we can get through THAT day, tomorrow is usually always better. Hugs❤
I hope this man finds love with a healthy woman.
Glee, very well said.
"Liquid courage" is a terrible thing for those who suffer with mental health issues. I am not a huge fan of guns, but the person who sold her the gun, did nothing wrong, how was that person to know? If we want to go, we WILL find a way. When one struggles with mental health, it is a terribly, lonely place. I find that most docs, nurses, etc, don't give a damn, too busy to care about someone that will be a distant memory, easily forgotten for them. I have had many occasions where I just need some help, and by professionals, they have turned the other cheek. RIP lovely lady...i completely understand, i hate to say it, but i do. 🙏🏻
😢Professionals turn the other cheek...it is so disappointing when they have education to help, maybe they aren't empathetic to others that need it the most.(?) I hope you have support in other places. Kindest regards
I've also felt ignored by those in the medical and mental health field when reaching out for help. I have always felt it's because I'm female and so Dr's don't take me seriously. I keep my thoughts and feelings to myself now to avoid being further traumatized. I agree that it's a terribly lonely place.
Why should mental illness struggles be so taboo, tragic, and viewed as unmentionable.
I'm sorry for your loss. I'm glad it is being more openly spoken about more often.
Note: at the end you mention a number for alcoholism when you should have probably mention resources for mental health and suicidal ideation. This mentality that if we talk about suicide people are going to be enabled to do it, is totally outdated.
" I forgive you" ? It shows why she killed her self, what a horrid thing to say the man is clueless😢
Yea….. I cringed big time at that😬
It’s because her choice destroyed him…in a very real sense, he feels as though she killed him too. There’s no joy in his life without her. Couples usually decide to make big decisions together, but she made the ultimate choice on her own, as though not caring enough what gut-wrenching pain and grief it would cause for years, if not the rest of his and the children’s lives, to come. Suicide is the ultimate selfish act. It benefits only that person and shatters the lives of those who love them. The victim has relief, but the loved ones are imprisoned by unspeakable pain, grief, guilt, loss, and devastation that is only beginning. BUT…the person who does it is not in their right mind. They are deeply, deeply mentally ill and suffering beyond their ability to go on. So, yes, those left behind go through a phase of anger/hatred/betrayal of what the victim has thrust upon them. It takes time to process all the many emotions that explode within…or slowly bubble to the surface in from a seemingly bottomless pit from hell. I this helps you maybe understand a little bit more.
I find him to be quite cold and calloused
@@ggrace1133 “Suicide is the ultimate selfish act” I have a huge problem with that statement! It could also be considered selfish to expect someone to continue living for your own happiness when they are completely miserable. No, I am not saying Suicide is the answer. But to label someone as selfish when you don’t know them and their pain is ignorant.
RIP
Not saying this is the case here at all but
Very often the partner is the one who drives a partner to take their own life.
Not feeling loved, respected, overwhelmed, nagged and judged for their substance abuse.
It can all get too much.
Love you, Pete. And all my Love to Leta and Marlo.
What a horrible man...its all about him...not a word about the kids...
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. John 3:16
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. John 14:6
Very sad
I'm sorry but my son had 7 guns. But he hung himself with a electrical cord. Suicide needs to come out of the closet!!!! It NEEDS to be talked about more.
How was there an alcoholic "mommy blogger?" You cannot go dry without substituting some type of mental health treatment. Sobriety probably revealed something that happened to her as a child that she could not take. Lesson learned: Caring for each other is more important than judging one another.
For those 'defending' the gun seller: what benefit do you think will come from making a comment on youtube under a video about someone's suicide? The gun seller doesn't need you to defend them. People in your life with mental health issues need you to understand the seriousness of what Heather, and they, suffer. The gun seller needs nothing from you.
I support the NRA and the right to openly bear arms. She knew she shouldnt have had it and she chose to buy that firearm. Suicide is a sin
Judging others is also a sin. She obviously wasn't in a sound state of mind or she wouldn't have bought the gun and ended her life, numbnuts 🙄
gun store employees are trained in the use and sale of guns, gun store employees are not trained in mental health
Exactly.
People who make a living off of selling weapons that are designed to kill living beings need to be held to a higher standard. People who make laws need to make sure these higher standards are in place and that these dealers are 100% aware of who they are selling to. The fact of the matter is that the lawmakers and the dealers don't want to see this happen, so they advocate very successfully against with the support of people like yourself. We hold tobacco companies responsible for the deaths of those who use their products. We need to hold gun dealers responsible for the deaths their business brings into the world.
Signed: An owner of a firearm who 100% supports legislative gun control because it's the logical thing to do.
Agreed! If she didn’t use a gun, she would’ve found another way to kill herself. Depression is the main culprit. Hanging and pill overdose are two very common methods used in suicide.
Im surprised at how many people are defending the gun seller. The love of guns ........
I don't think she was a "...pillar of strength for all women" if she killed herself. A pillar of strength is someone who gets the help that they need, are there for their loved ones and stays around. She took a quitter's way out.
You've obviously never dealt with serious mental health issues yourself, or with someone you love. Your judgemental attitude has no place here.
What a sh*tty thing to say! Until you've walked a mile in her shoes you have no idea what emotional battles this woman fought. Your ignorant heavily stigmatized comment is an example of why so many come to such a desperate state and are afraid to ask for help. Anyone who takes their life is in an unimaginable state of hopelessness and they believe it is their only option of escaping. Your lack of empathy for one in such pain, is alarming and disgusting. Educate yourself and do better.
She must have been unhappy with her relationship with this guy or she wouldn't have committed suicide 🤔
You obviously did not follow her.
You are ignorant, rude and unkind.
Not necessarily. Some people say they have a good life and dont even understand why they should feel depressed. Thats depression for you. Sometimes we just feel like we haven’t achieved enough in life even when truly we have achieved alot. And that alone can make ppl suicidal.
If she was unhappy in her relationship she would have left him, not kill herself. What a fucked up thing to say.
I get narcissist vibes from him, he's getting attention from this.