NASCAR Fan Reacts to Formula 1 Speed Compared to Other Race Cars
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One of the absolute biggest advantages for F1 cars that gets overlooked a lot is not necessarily how fast they go, but how fast they stop. Braking on F1 cars is absolute insanity, they can do much better lap times on many tracks simply because they can brake much later before turns while maintaining control than most other race cars, and then get back up to pace fast.
Yeah, they can pick the 50m board as braking point from 300+ to 100kph or less and make the corner perfectly which is absolute insanity if you compare it to pretty much every other racing car
Agree. On Mugello, MOTOGP is faster than F1 on straight, but is overlapped by F1 on their third lap.
@@HercahyoAdiSaputro MotoGP is the fastest in top speed across motorsport. However F1 gets the fastest over a lap
Modern F1 cars are pulling up to 7G under heavy braking, absolute insanity. Cornering at a peak of about 5.5G
F1 cars are fastest all around especially cornering.
At the Circuit of the Americas, it would take an F1 car just 7 laps to start lapping an Indy car. Indy car racing is great, but in terms of car speed on a track, they are blown away by F1. The power, tech and aero - especially aero creating downforce - it's just not as advanced, and in some ways that's good, because it's more about the driver and car setup than it is about car technology. It's a different style and they're both good and entertaining, but in terms of pace, F1 is way faster than Indy.
If you look at the track records of any circuit - if an F1 car has been there, an F1 car holds the record.
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True but in oval track I think the Indy car would win due to lower drag and higher top speed.
@@ajsdjkdasjksdakjdaskj it would
@@enzohumeau8864 The 919 evo is crazy but its record didn't stand after the f1 cars came back the same year.
@@enzohumeau8864Hamilton broke the 919 Evo lap record the very next season in a stock F1 car. Imagine how fast a Merc W12 "Evo" would be able to lap Spa.
Downforce, not speed. Then you’ll get a true appreciation for the power of the car
Yh. NASCARS are bricks with engines. They couldn’t spell “aerodynamics” if it was written in front of them 😂
@@willjackson6522 😂😂🤣
@@willjackson6522 Aero whattt xD
The scary thing with Formula 1 is that a lot of regulation have been about limiting speed and making it more competitive. If the makers of F1 cars where allowed to build an unrestricted race car it would probably be a lot faster. Unfortunately we would also have a lot more dead drivers and we would probably be watching Mercedes race against them selves.
They could literally build cars that are not driveable anymore. You have to factor in that the tires from Pirelli are not even close to being as grippy as possible. They are exactly how F1 wants them to be. They could make much much faster tires. Same goes for the cars with unrestricted aero and power.
All that combined would lead to g forces that would make you pass out/require inhumane reaction times
Nah its more about safety then it's about being competitive, the 2020 cars were insane to where it was becoming too unsafe
The same goes for all of the classes though. We've seen what Porsche did with the 919. IndyCar was quicker at Indianapolis over 25 years ago. CART had an avg. speed of 380 km/h when they cancelled the race in Texas in 2001 due to too high G-Forces due to the speed in the corners. NASCAR have loads of restrictions, MotoGP as well and so on.
The difference is basically where they set the limit and the cost they are aiming for.
Top speed of a modified BAR is 413kph. Don't forget, that's in the V10 era. Same as that, at Le Mans, Peugeot did 400+ on the Hunaudieres before they put in a chicane. That was 34 years ago
Well, but that applies to any car. Back in 1990 Le Mans cars were reaching 400KPH, if regulations werent applied.... just imagine...
Some 10 year’s ago it was pointed out that Montreal was the only track that Indy cars and Formula 1 cars both race on. The slowest F1 car was 12 seconds faster than the Indy car to do a lap.🇦🇺
You mean 16 years ago? Last race was 2006.
@@fsobsessive7602 Doesnt matter!It might a even bigger difference..
wow, but last time i heard a Indycar (no coer in my country (Swe) they sound so much rawer than the techwanked F1
They both race at COTA, and the pole times in 2019 were 1.32:029 (F1) and 1.46:0177 (Indycar). Almost 14 seconds.
@@computeraddic675 you are completely right, just a bit OCD, sorry.
MotoGP is accurate, those guys are absolutely nuts, and IMO, by far the most interesting, closely raced and insane racing to watch.
Couldn't agree more!
You got that right buddy !!!
Most exciting track racing there is!
I'd agree with the bike racing part but imo the british superbike championship is on another level for competitive racing. Also the Irish road racing championship is just nuts
@@TheSpliffMaster nothing more insane then isle of man tt
Very refreshing to listen to a true American “gear head” who respects and appreciates racing cars/bikes outside of the USA. Bravo !
A lot of us do. we're just afraid to talk motor sports because a lot of people love to talk shit about Nascar/Indycar... I personally catch every F1 and Indycar race or record them if I can't watch and you wouldn't believe the amount of hate those 2 communities toss back and forth.
@@Ares14 Thanks for the insight, I guess just like here in England, you get a real mix of people, some are educated and reasonable, some are not 😉 I have heard F1 fans say Indycar is simple, “just turn left”. Sure, in a bowl at 230mph in amongst a huge bunch of cars all trying for a slipstream ……. really simple 🤔 Many people here don’t even realise that Indycars race circuits as well as bowls ! Do Indy fans and NASCAR fans give each other shit ?
Ditto, I watch both F1 and Indycar. I’ve never heard racing experts or drivers bash one series over another. Only ignorant fans do that.
Yeah, I think that's most of us. F1 and Indycar are my favorites, but I also love WEC and IMSA. I wish series like Indycar we're more popular globaly. The racing is incredible. It's not exactly Formula 1 lite or American F2 because the cars are designed differently (No power steering, for example), but it's a great series to watch.
MotoGP's record speed was set about two months ago in Mugello. 225.9mph.
Keep in mind this was recorded in a proper pratice session for the GP. Modifying the bike to focus merely on straight speed would of course make it higher.
Same goes for a Formula 1 car.. They are setup for the downforce.. ;)
F1 cars can prob reach 250mph if set up for it. The offer ones could probably go to 260
MotoGP is dead since it stopped being GP500 and thus switched from 2-strokes to 4-strokes and became MotoGP.
@@cya1noIt's not true. The reason Gp500 rebranded into MotoGp is because it kept losing to Wsbk in terms of viewership. MotoGP's popularity was at its highest during 2008-2019. Motorcycle racing has never been more popular than in those times.
Circuit of the America's lap times....
F1 1:32
Indycar 1:48
MotoGp 2:03
NASCAR 2:12
This was exactly what I wanted to do.. so thanks!
a few more Data points
2017 Porsche 919 - 1:47
I also saw some Australian Supercar qualifying times, but they were too close to the F1 times, and hence I have a hard time believing them, so I will not post them.
@@richardbaratta7268 Yes the Supercars used the shorter 'National' circuit hence the disparity in timings.
@@RickRobinsonDonnellan Thanks for the explanation
The 1:36 F1 time from 2019 is in race mode.
The qualifying record is 1:32.029 from Bottas in 2019, so they are WAY faster in general (as 4 seconds is an eternity).
@@barath4545 thanx for catching that! Just made the correction. And yes 4 seconds is an eternity. (And shame on me cuz I was at COTA for that F1 weekend lol)
"who would have the balls to run more than 200 mph on a motorcycle?" you'd be surprised, there's a great many people who tune their street bikes to crack that number, but if you want to watch someone who's really skilled handle it at those speeds watch people do laps of the Isle of Man TT, that shit is insanity on a whole new level.
Don't forget the North West 200 that just ran last week too, absolute maniacs
My 25 year old stock standard Suzuki Rf900R can still hit 160mph on public roads and it doesn't feel like insanity at all. I think most people who ride the truly fast street bikes would not be surprised to hear that race bikes punch crazy numbers. In fact I think you could put many street bikes on that graph and have them compare very favourably to serious 4 wheeled race kit
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@@drsnapid Rode a Kawa ZX14 for some 10 years. You get used to accelleration and speed. I remember my very high heartrate when I fully opened the throttle on my first bike, a Kawa GPX600R, for the first time. It was only 85 HP@190 kg/418 lbs. The big ZX14 was just short of 200 HP@260 kg/570 lbs with some 150 Nm/110 ft lbf of torque. It really hurts your shoulders when launching for the first time. But your body adapts and so does your mind. After some time you get used to it and start to wonder if there's a way to go faster. And there always is 😁
O, forgot. The stock ZX14 tops out (limiter) at 299 kmh / 186 Mph.
A friend of mine used to say......From 0 to 200km/h in six seconds is insane (like these GP Motorbikes do).....but to go from 0 to 200km/h and back to 0 in six seconds is madness, or F1.
Current MotoGP top speed record was set a week ago, and it was 363.6 km/h which is about 226 mph. And that was during the race. Who knows how fast these bikes could be if they were set up for a drag race on a longer straight line.
Sofuoglu hitted the 400 km/h on the Osman Gazi Bridge with a Kawasaki H2R.
timo berhardt in his porsche 919 evo did 369kmh on his record lap at the nordschleife. and not only once one the döttinger höhe.
The G-forces in F1 are something else, EVERY race driver without exception I've heard has said that nothing can prepare you for those and you just can't train your neck properly up for F1 other than driving an F1 car, it really is something quite special!
For practical reasons, F1 drivers practice neck exercises with elastics and weights of around 20kg, but some pilots say that actually driving the car can make your head gain 70kg laterally when cornering.
Jokingly, Lando Norris (I think?) commented that he is happy that he uses a helmet, because otherwise people would see the awful faces he makes to endure the forces.
@@NothingXemnas the intensity is so high of the g force and the temperature rises too at those speeds that on average they lose about 3kg in 1h 45min. Lewis Hamilton once lost 4,5kg. In that time, that’s insane. Especially as they’re fit to start.
The top speed for MotoGP (my jam) is correct. The top speed record for MotoGP is around 366 kmh at Mugello in Italy. They can be geared to go even faster but they run out of road :D
I guess it takes even longer to stop too.
Casey Stoner on the Ducati? My fav. Casey Stoner on the Ducati, in the wet.. power slide corners.. at 200mph...
@@graemejohnson9025 I think it was Iannone who did the record. Stoner was a great show nevertheless 🤟
@@fritzdow4819 look up when Casey Stoner rode.. the Ducati.. the motogp.. nobbled it for top speed...
The legend, wanker, his fans use to try injure Casey.. Rossi couldn't ride it..
Casey, Mick Doohan, Wayne Gardner, all ride sideways..
@@salmeza85 you'd be surprised to know that that thing can brakes really well
you need to watch guy martin. he's a mechanic who now does tv shows, and he has broken so many bones in motorcycle crashes I thinkhe's mainly metal, he's also driven a variety of machines from tractors to couble decker buses in speed races. well worth looking him up
IWrocker: 200 mph on two wheels?
Isle of Man TT Racer: Hold my beer.
I went on a work promotion a few years back and i was lucky enough to get given a ride in a two seater F1 car. It was such an adrenalin rush that couldn't be matched.
Acceleration was unbelievable and the cornering was like the car was on rails but the thing that really stuck in my mind was the shear power of the brakes. Under heavy braking it felt like my internal organs were trying to burst out of my chest.
That’s so freaking cool!!!! I bet it was unreal…
@@IWrocker Best experience ever. Well i dont have to tell you bud, but if you get a chance in the future take it! You never know they might do things like that when the F1 hits the US.
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Maybe not as extreem but good enough to confirm was Henrik (The CEO of former and badly missed developer Simbin and their fantastic Race Series) ♥
He did GTR racing in a Viper and told me exactly same thing, (actually the red one in the game Race 07) ♥
Saw many interviews regarding this topic and the braking is what everybody says is by far the most impressive! Must have been so cool!
I would really really recommend watching/reacting to the Isle Of Man TT, arguably the best race in the world and definitely the most dangerous today. The 2022 TT starts in just a few weeks.
Plus top speed of 200 mph for TT
Absolutely Bonkers!
Erm you have also forgotten the other MASSIVE thing about TT road racing (Which is high in Ireland too). Is that it is on PUBLIC ROADS! which were closed just before the races start! And can be ridden on year round. Also fans can ride the same route, at certain times of the meet.
I have been twice. And it's the best motorcycle event/party in the world. I was a the Bungalow(at the top of the course) and a Isle of Man police man had his radar gun set up going. John McGinnis on the Padgett's Honda Fireblade went by at 205mph. And that is on what is a public road the rest of the year. As they say there "Simply Brilliant!".
Isle of man definitely best racing on the planet, in terms of skill, speed and risk. Hope it never changes, it's like the group B of bike racing
About the different setups, just like Nascar, F1 uses different aero setups for different tracks, for example at Monza where flat-out speed is key, teams run low downforce setups to reduces drag. The F1 top speed record is held by Valterri Bottas who did 372kmph/231mph down the Mexico Track straight.
Great video - Just a note on the motorcycle - Ducati Superleggera,(199mph - restricted to 186mph) Honda Blackbird (180), suzuki Hyabusa (194mph) and even a 1990 ZZR 1100 which I own can do 172mph - out of the show room as road bikes .
800kg is very light relative to other 4 wheeled motorsports, but very heavy relative to the older F1 cars because of the increased safety standards, the 2017 size increase regulation to make the car faster, and the change to much heavier but efficient power unit in 2014. The f1 cars in the early 2000s were about 600kg, but they’re much smaller and nimble
and dont forget the sound a F1 makes when it pass u with 17k or 18k revs. Never forget this... :-)
Succinct explanation, thanks
@@MrTeufelweich Filmed this myself at Monza: th-cam.com/video/7a4U6BlK8EA/w-d-xo.html
Miss it so much, just wish I could have seen the V10's in person:(
1986 produced the most powerful F1 cars, 1600 horsepower for the BMW M12 engine, in the back of a 450 kilo Benetton B186. Everything since seems almost tame by comparison.
800kg is still a metric fuckton for a car
Depending on configuration and circuit, F1 will hit 370km/h quite regularly. The Baku street circuit is stupidly fast, as is Monza. Back in the mid 2000's, BAR-Honda ran an experiment on the Bonneville salt flats, trying to break the 400km/h F1 barrier. They got close at 397 (247mph) as the official speed, but in the Mojave testing, they hit 410+ (254mph).
and from there they minimized the engine several times i remember JP Montoya didnt he still hold he fastest titel? but yeah F1 is technic and us car series are more 4 wheels and a big engine
Important to note that that RB run at Bonneville was in race trim.
But wouldn`t all those cars have different top speeds depending on the configuration?
Yes but that BAR/Honda didn't have the rear wing attached. CART champ cars could break 250 mph qualifying for pole at Indy back in the mid 1990's. and sports cars would hit close to 240 at Le Mans in the early 70's.
@@itachiuchiha7728 Kimi räikönnen had the F1 fastests lap for a long time in italy, Monza.
Here are real world results on COTA (lap times) :
F1 (Max Verstappen) - 1:32:910
Indycar - 1:48:895
MotoGP (Jorge Martin) - 2:02:040
NASCAR (Tyler Reddick) - 2:12:911
XFinity Race (Kyle Busch) - 2:40:349
Trucks NASCAR (Kaz Grala) - 2:39:978
Bottom Line : F1 would lap NASCAR every 3 laps or so; Indycar would do similarly.
The F1 official lap time record at COTA is 1.36.169 by Leclerc in 2019, the official MotoGP lap time record is 2.03.521 by Bastianini in 2022. The F1 fastest lap ever is 1.32.029 by Bottas in 2019, the MotoGP fastest lap time is 2.02.039 by Martin in 2022 and the Indycar fastest lap is 1.45.4542 by Rosenqvist in 2019 but these are unofficial records.
@@nicoladc89 That is because the people that make records official. insist that the time must be sat in a race, which almost never makes sense except if there are point to be won for the fastest lap, which then requires people to pit for soft tires on the 2nd last lap.
The qualifying laps, which are the records you mention, are the true fastest laps and is what should count. The cars are the same.
What is most surprising to me is the nascar trucks! They’re properly fast
Im from the netherlands, in F1 you have 2 or 3 teams able,to win because you build-the car yourself.F2 F3 you buy.
Indycar are all dallara, whit a chevy or a honda motor.Nascar are the same chassis whit a chevy ford ore toyota.
I think a indycar on a superspeedway is on that circuit te fast, a daytona/le mans on the le mans circuit.
On a flat beatiful circuit the F1.
I like all racing F1, Indycar, nascar, i can watch it all in the netherlands, i like it.
I dont care who is the fastest,i still watch.
In amerikan autosport there are more teams they can win.
On an oval, if the F1 car is allowed to build a "super speedway" aero package AND have DRS (basically active rear wing that allows even less drag on the straights), the lap times could be very close to Indy cars
Talking about NASCAR doing race circuits (rather than ovals). I do recall Marcos Ambrose (from V8 supercar fame) used to do really well on the race circuits such as Watkins Glen - less so on the ovals.
I second that, Ambrose could steer a car left and right but could not make friends (aerodraft) needed on an oval track.
I for one am watching Scotty McLauclin to see how he handles the open wheelers.
He did get pole at Michigan and with that pole he was (then) the recorded holder for the fastest NASCAR lap.
Marcus ambrose 🤡
@@psychedelicprawncrumpets9479 are you Greg Murphy by any chance?
For F1 vs Indycar on an oval, you have to understand that F1 would come to the oval with a package tailored to running on an oval. That means low drag, specialised suspension set up etc. (unless the F1 rules prohibit them) plus the extra rubber the F1 cars run would likely allow the F1 car to edge the Indycar, though it would be closer than on a road circuit. This would be due to the lack of energy recovery on the hybrid PU on an oval dropping the average power of the PU back towards the Indycar, though the F1 car might eke out ~100-150 hp more power.
F1 would easily dominate on ovals with slight setup changes, not a problem at all. Toyota did 400 km/h on sand flats in their F1 car 15 years ago just by taking off the downforce bits nad making 7th gear longer.
@@derbigpr500 no they don’t, for one single reason. The tyres of f1 cars are not made for ovals
@@maspaghetti3186 Would i be silly for thinking F1 cars engines would overheat around an oval
@@danielburke5865 no, it was actually a concern when they raced the bahrain outer track during the COVID year because it was the closest track to an oval that the cars would race. I don't believe there were any PU issues during the race itself though, as there were only 3 retirments. Two retired on the first lap due to an accident and the other had an oil leak like half way through.
@@maspaghetti3186 Or Pirelli would simply make an oval tyre, its really not that hard.
Crazy thing is how big F1 cars have gotten. They are about the length of a standard cab F150 pickup truck, they have almost doubled in length in the past 30 years, plus they got a little bit wider this year with the new larger but lower profile tires.
I really do love your channel. It's like listening to a friend about the same thing we both love. Great stuff.
As others have said you need to review the Isle of Man TT race. Not only do they run at over 200mph they do it through small twisty roads with houses lining bit of the track and hit bumps that get them air. It’s insane.
Important to point out that the "DTM car" they used (imo sadly) isn't used anymore. After first Mercedes and then Audi leaving due to financial reasons DTM now is racing GT3s.
If you (as in anybody reading this) want to see a good race involving Class 1 DTM cars (the one used for the comparison here) I'd suggest 2017 Norisring Race 2
NASCAR DTM and Formula 1 have switched to cheaper more viable options unfortunately
@@loganm2766 I can't comment on NASCAR, but I'd say the F1 changes are way less of a "downgrade" the DTM ones
To be fair, GT3 DTM is supposed to be a transition period. Though it seems they now plan on running DTM Electric in parallel instead of going straight for the replacement. And, incidentally, the demo car for DTME they ran a while back (bizarrely, via remote control) had 1200PS; not sure the race car is supposed to be similar but would be rather impressive I suspect.
@@_SpamMe Yeah, the electric cars could be interesting. Let's just hope they don't get too expensive for manufacturers (and for the superstitious among us, let's hope they don't call them class 1)
@@_SpamMe What do you mean by "via remote control"? I think Sophia Floersch drove the demo car in a couple of occasions
I like your style: pretty chill, no cuts, no screaming - easy to watch.
I've done 200 mph on a production street bike (on a controlled course). MotoGP is absolutely capable of top speeds above 220-230 mph. You just have to be a crazy person to be able to do it.
I would highly recommend watching a few MotoGP races, they are imo, the best races of them all. Yeah, it's only two wheels and far from a car, but so are proper racecars. You can see different styles and use of the body, difference in brands but all very competitive. Try to watch a few before Susuki quits. Most of the time, the races are just better and 7/10 races are amazingly good. oh btw As it stands, Johann Zarco holds the record for the fastest speed recorded on a MotoGP bike - a 362.4klm/h (225mph
I tried but it didn't grab me.
Well motogp, like any other racing, have some era where one person dominated the race (VR, MM, etc) so it depends on the team itself again.
@@fsobsessive7602 did you watch assen 2017? I think it was 17 where they battle from start to end. Best I've ever seen I reckon
@@SomeFreeTimeActivities will give it a try
Brit here: we have an expression; 'that's like comparing chalk and cheese', or 'apples and oranges', it means that different cars cannot be compared except to show that Formula 1 cars do best going around a F1 circuit.
Drag racers beat all on a drag down 1/4 mile, etc.
I saw a group of people 'testing' assault rifles against each other. We discovered that the people who knew a particular gun best tended to perform best with it.
it gets complicated when we try to compare specialized tools for a job vs each other.
@@savagegtalks5912 No it doesn't, happens every day around the world.
@@fsobsessive7602 I don't see a drag car vs a GT3 car on the strip every day, and I don't see a drag car vs a GT3 car on the ring every day... but if you know of a place, let me know where, I'd like to see.
@@savagegtalks5912 I was referring to the guns though, but your question is perfect. Basically you say yourself that you can't compare these cars and you are right.
@@fsobsessive7602 guns? I don't know about guns. First dude said something about a F1 circuit... in my world, that's a racing track, with fast cars with big wings, going fast around corners.
Building a car for moab, won't be fun on the autobahn. Building a car for autobahn, won't reach moab... it's simple, specialized tools men make for themself, for special jobs/fun... we say it's job, but that's to disguise the truth from our wifes.
F1 car can lose a drag race, but around a circuit , it has no real competition. That is what F1 cars are designed for. And I absolutely agree about the bike. You must really have big balls to do 223 mph/ 360kph on a bike, it's insane
Which F1 car are you talking about?
I've done over 200mph on a bike. It stops being fun when you get to 150 and at 200 it feels like the road is just thrown at you. I stopped riding after an extremely close call at high speeds because I knew I wouldn't be able to just ride it slow and enjoy it.
Yeah, about the same can be said in a car. 150mph is where the real fun of not being fun begins.
I interviewed a female motorbike drag racer once because she had beaten all the guys in her class that year. She had a close call once when her bike went into severe a wobble at 204 mph. She had only been on the bike for a second year then but she kept calm and remembered her training and managed to get that bucking mustang back under control. Despite the close call she didn't quit and her third year was when she was kicking ass left and right.
@@Laerei I don't really know why you are lying here but first of all, if you are going that fast you are going by 10's. 204... that's a lie.
Secondly, at those speeds you don't get a wobble, you get an instant crash.
Not that anyone who had imbalance in the front wheel would ever even attempt that, you can feel it at way lower speeds.
Drag bikes don't turn either so.. no wobble there.
Why are you making shit up?
Man I have to say you have an absolute open mind to race cars and you don't see that in many Nascar fans I really enjoyed your video man keep it up
I felt the same as you when I was younger. I didn’t think that I would be sensible on a road-going motorcycle… so I didn’t get one. When I turned 40 I had a bit of a rethink about many things, and one of those was motorcycles. I decided to get my motorcycle licence and I could not be happier. With age comes respect for the road and an appreciation of one’s mortality. I love getting out on the highway, wind in my face, carefree… (the occasional bug in the mouth or splattered over my visor)
I would have missed out on much if I had not reevaluated my views on things.
Same views for me on women
I’m from germany, and believe me, there are guys who love NASCAR over here. Since I first saw a Plymouth Superbird slamming around the oval with 195mph, I was hooked.
I've always been a casual fan of F1 but remember being kinda shocked watching an old Top Gear episode and seeing what Hammond went through just to get to the point where he could get one around the track.
The tracks that these cars race on need to be considered. F1 cars reach top speed on relatively short straights and slow down to low double digit speeds in just a couple hundred feet. Indy cars and nascars maintain high speeds around huge ovals.
Lol, it's wild to me that F1 has been at COTA for 10 years and people are still just now finding out about the sport even though it's been here for a while.
Glad to see more people enjoying it, that's for sure.
Plus all the US GP's before that lol. And the last time we had a US driver was 2007, it's just always been a niche thing in the states and now it's gaining traction from DTS
Also all those races in the 2000s
Also the 80s
@@GarkKahn Shhhh, we don't talk about the 80s
And 90s
@@lylobean We don't talk about Arizona or Indianapolis for that matter.
I also didn't like nascar and oval racing but came to think about it and the amount of tactics go into oval racing is astonishing. Just discovered your channel and I love it. Subbed.
The speed differential is insane. Did a couple of f1 races on my sim last weekend, then did a gt3 race. It felt like going from a supercar to a fiat 500.
The qualifying times for Moto GP and V8 Supercars at Phillip Island is about the same.
1min 28sec for Moto GP and 1min 30sec for the V8's.
When the V8 Supercars raced at COTA, James Courtney and Kurt Busch (NASCAR) raced each other around the track and the lap times were very similar. NASCAR had the top end speed, and the V8's could brake a lot deeper before the corners.
MotoGP is 10 seconds faster than Nascar @COTA
Phillip island is a very fast circuit and fast corners are motogp's weakest point, so...
The fastest lap on a circuit, all races: Henri Pescarolo driving a Matra 670B prototype at the 1973 Francorchamps 1000 km, the lap speed was 262 km/h. The fastest speed measured on a portion of circuit was 415 km/h by a WM in the Hunaudieres, Le Mans.
Great video man! Super nice and humble sounding guy. Subscribed for sure!
362.4kph is the fastest speed recorded on a motogp race weekend by Johan Zarco aboard his Ducati in Qatar 2021. This record was equalled also in 2021 by Brad Binder aboard his KTM motogp bike during the Mugello race weekend later in the year.
The speed from a single lap on a track with a formula 1 car comes from different aspects. It is not just based on raw power or top speed, but also how late it can brake, how fast they can hit the gas pedal, and how fast it can take the corners. The brakes from an F1 car are much more sophisticated compared to the brakes from an indycar. So it is a superior weight to power ratio combined with superior brakes and a superior aerodynamics package (down force when it is needed). F1 teams spend much more time and money on the development from all of those aspects compared to other race car classes.
F2 and F3 are most certainly NOT amateur classes. Most F2 and F3 teams also have an F1 team. I would call it a junior class, but it is just as professional as F1. And very often, if not always, drivers have to bring along their own sponsors in order to get a chance to drive for a team.
Sometimes indycars race on a track where they have a higher top speed compared to the top speed from F1 cars on their fastest track, but as mentioned before, indycars can't brake as late as an F1 car, and they can't take the corners at the same speed as an F1 car.
For a race car most time can be won at the slower parts of a track. That is where they can make a real difference with other cars with a different setup. An F1 team can have a very powerful power train, but if the aerodynamics from the car isn't good, like we see happening with the Mercedes car, than they are not able to use all that power. So the setup from an F1 car is very important, and it varies from track to track. And an F1 car is much more sensitive to external conditions, so one moment the car can perform flawlessly, but as the track conditions change, such as track temperature, rain, wind, rubber, the car can start to perform worse.
8:03 wins in acceleration the LMP1 for one reason: traction. All the cars (except the LMP2, the difference is the torque) are rear-wheel drive when that are all-wheel drive at the start, then there is the weight/power factor that changes the result between the cars.
p.s. I basically wrote what he would have said, if we wait a couple of years or less we will see what a motorcycle can do in Spa
Thats the one part of the video I question, when this video was made the regulations limited the Toyota to only use it's electric power at speeds of above 110km/h and this year thats now up to 190km/h. Obviously that means it's irrelevant to a 0-100/62 test as they can't use the motors at those speeds.
@@andrewcarter9649 but it is a paradox, the electric motor gives its best in acceleration not in speed, a useless weight to carry
Great video Ian love your passion for motorsports
I've been racing a lot on gran Turismo 7 recently and I was expecting a mention of the super formula series from Japan and how they would stack up.
If I remember right they're about 650~ bhp. Which is pretty impressive from an I4 engine
I've never really understood the appeal oval racing. I'm sure it requires a lot of skill, but a pretty limited range of skills compared to "circuit" racing. Love my F1 and BTCC hooligans!
That’s why a circuit race will often go without caution, but when the oval tracks come along its wreck city.
Point is unless you’ve tried it against people who know what they’re doing, you yourself have zero idea. You try changing lanes into a gap one inch bigger than your car at 300mph on 12 degrees of banking
@@dylanzrim3635 With a 6 inch gap on a given side, and turbulent air at all angles, not to mention basically useless brakes if anything goes pear shaped. I'm always a rally person first, but since broadening my horizons all these racing disciplines require an immense amount of skill and testicular fortitude. Cheers lads
@@dylanzrim3635 which in the end still means less skill compared to F1 because those gaps you talk of are than used at higher speed and without the benefit of having each and every turn with the same angle and the same direction, oh and the banking angle in Nascar actual helps because it's there to help downplay the centrifugal forces so that there's let's need to play with powering up/down getting in or out of bends.
That F1 and such are practiced around the world and Nascar isn't I think gives a clear another indication.
The only bit of succes Nascar has outside of the USA is Canada and Mexico. The Nascar races in Europe are such a non event that there's not a single mention of it in the regular media.
@@PDVism But its about horses for courses. In Australia for example V8 Supercars incredibly popular, yet outside New Zealand no one else in the world races that class.
@@gitfindasettahpanzy9892 Yes the various skills are insane for the classes.. For example NASCAR drivers dont need to know how to do a handbrake turn, and rally drivers dont have much use for bump drafting lol. And swapping drivers between NASCAR and F1 would produce some hilarious results
During his qualifying run for the Italian Grand Prix, Brad Binder reached an incredible speed of 362.4 km/h on his KTM(MotoGP)
Love this video dude lo e how you deliver your commentary is great!!!!
This was the first video I've seen and I had to subscribe. Fun video.
F1 car is set-up differently for every track, so it would be set-up for oval too. They are balancing between the air drag and downforce. Either they are fast on straight or they are fast at corners depends on set-up. But ultimately, they are fast. (I think)
F1 tried ovals before. The drivers were experiencing wayyyyyy too many sustained G's around the turns, to the point where they were passing out.
@@jakel7213 the tyres couldn’t handle the forces no the drivers
I recently read an article where they compared lap times of different racing categories on the same track. It was a US track and included F1, and Indycar along with several others. F1 was the fastest per lap by 14 seconds, followed by Indycar, other categories filtered away progressively from there. I was expecting it, but not by THAT much.
but faster never makes for better racing.
@@skipwilliam5639 Yeah, not fun if it's just a procession and no one can overtake. They are trying to aleviate that slowly.
Next regs for 2026 will make the cars smaller and lighter. At the moment they have the footprint of a large SUV and are the heaviest they have ever been. I bet those big wheels and tires add a lot of unsprung weight too.
@@antmax Its like nascar make the cars undrivable and let the crews figure it out. Money will always buy the most speed but knowledge will buy you the best handling car..
That difference can change a lot if you change the circuit, because each care has its own peculiarities.
You may be surprised, from what I understand, a lot of F1 fans respect IndyCar quite a lot, and lots of foreign viewers watch the 500 (even the F1 drivers themselves, Fernando Alonso was trying to skip his Monoco podium ceremony to catch the first laps this year lmao).
There are several f1 champions that have come from or gone to indycar, like Jacques Villeneuve, Mario Andretti, Jim Clark, etc.
Haha I literally live a few kilometers away from Francorchamps, had the chance to drive it a few time on my bike it's beautiful,... Nice to see you talk about it. Cheers from Beerland , have a nice day.
You need to check out the “world time attack challenge”.. take a street car, and do pretty much anything you want to it, send it flat out for 2 laps to set your time. There is almost no modification restrictions, tires (spelt tyres here) are about the regulated component.
Its not about the straight line speed and acceleration in F1 That is "easy" to achieve. The technology lies in the cornering-speed and braking points ;)
They mentioned that several times in the video.
@@Fujibayashi50 Well I dint have to watch the vid to come to that conclusion. Thats the difference ;)
I like your videos. You try your best to immerse yourself in stuff unfamiliar to you. That deserves respect. Good stuff, keep it up.
Breaking power, cornering speed is the strength of F1. The former motobike GP driver Ralf Waldmann once said: one day I want to drive an F1 car. Not for the acceleration, my bike can do it better, but for the break power. I want to feel my eyes popping out of my head and smashing into my visor. 😂
I think there are no cars that can go a road circuit faster than an F1. And wehave to keep in mind that today F1 cars are so restricted. In 1985 they had 1500 hp out of 1.4 litre engines in training mode and a minimum of 600 kg (a little more than 1300 pounds 😊).
These cars were absolutely insane.
What's so fascinating about F1 is the shear speed as it leaves a corner and goes to the next corner. At CoTA, for instance, in the "Stadium" section, watch the F1 car live is just awesome to see it move from corner to corner. Your eyes and mind cannot believe that the car can accelerate that fast AND slow down that fast.
I've seen most of these pretty close up trackside. All very fast and i'm sure F1 and Indycar are ahead of most things on speed. But nothing was more impressive than the LMP1s, especially at Le Mans, from a few years back, they were so crazy first time you saw them all you could do was laugh, then 15 hours later they're still hammering it and you'd start laughing all over again.
Yeah, specially this "modified" LMP1 here:
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I like this channel. You are very good with cars and give good commentary, very relaxed way of spending my Saturday morning 👍
Would love to see you cover more f1 content!!
One problem with comparing the speed of race cars from different series is that they are *designed* to be slow and/or cheaper. The entire history of F1 is engineers doing something to make the cars faster, they win a few races, and then that thing is banned. Every few years more limitations are placed on the aero, minimum weight is increased, and engines are made smaller. From 1989-1994 engines were limited to 3.5 litres. In 1995-2005 they were 2.0 litres. From 2006-2013 2.4 litre 90º V8, with some engines doing over 20,000 RPM until regulations limited them to first 19,000 then 18,000. And now we have 1600cc V6 with a 15000 RPM limit -- but with a turbo and a hybrid system. Peak fuel flow is now also limited to 100 kg/h -- and 110 kg total for the whole ~300 km race.
A NASCAR team had a car that was so good it was banned after the Race Lol
@@anthonymolina7416 Yeah, it's happened in F1.
12:00 I get what you're saying! The F1 car is shown here at a top speed of 360 kph, while it's been recorded over 370 during the Mexico GP last year.
You should watch Race of Champions (ROC). Covid scrambled the schedules a bit but it's usually at the end of the year. Current and previous champions of the various motorsport world series drive one to one on a short circuit with different types of cars.
Good for you for wanting to learn about different types of racing. If you're a fan of racing there's so much out there to check out! If you like GT cars, you might want to check out the Bathurst 12 hour endurance race. The track is mad and with Lambos, Audi R8s, Mercedes, etc...it's a fantastic race from start to finish. Also a way to see lots of different cars is the Goodwood Festival of Speed Hillclimb competition, there's a good mix of cars from retired F1 cars, to modern Supercars. It's a timed race which is cool.
Well, the Formula 1 is soooo heavily regulated that not nearly a tenth of what would be technically possible is allowed to be used on the cars.
Considering that even during the late 1970's the F1 cars would have been technically able to produce lateral G-forces greater than 5G's, this would have snapped the necks of any drivers in the cars if they went through corners at the top speed possible for that corner and those cars.
Yeah, yeah, I know, fighter jet pilots withstand greater than 11G's for very short times, but they can't throw their jets around a tight turn while retaining their orientation. They tilt and roll the plane to accomodate those G-forces by changing them from purely lateral to both lateral and downwards G-forces. An F1 car would experience much greater sideways G-forces than any jet could ever handle due to friction between ground and tires if ALL technical possibilities were used. Heck, even jets could change a pilot from living to squished chunky soup in flight suit if everything technically possible were used in jets.
Put the driver on a one axis gymbal, now that would be a weird driving experience. Leaning relative to the car in turns...
Indy car went through something similar. At the Indy 500 in the 80s drivers began blacking out on the entrance to turn three. As a consequence they began speed limiting them as well
I think it would be very similar in the oval. We have to take into account that Indy car changes the setup from the rear wing to oval and the same would be applied to F1 cars, which just opening the DRS system on the rear wing gains 20km/h.
F1 also changes setup from track to track..
@@eldarion933 that's what he said mate
Driver61 is a really well done channel. Good to see you broadening your horizons. I'm trying to, too. My I suggest you look into WRC, imo, best drivers in the world, even though F1 claims them.
Ahhh Spa Francorchamp, my home race!
I wish we could have a channel dedicated to racing only.
I want to watch more Nascar and Indy500.
Grew up with F1, big fan. In the end as long as it moves and can be raced it’s up to the pilots to show what they can do on track.
Au Rouge...greatest corner in all of Motorsport
Watching those Spa lap times, the LMP1H nerfs were bigger than I thought just so they could match the lap times of the hybrid version to the ICE-only versions of the class. They used to be 10 seconds than an F1 car and they're now slower than an F2.
It's such a shame. Those cars were so much fun to watch, man. I can understand teams dropping the class due to costs, but they could have just retired the hybrid class instead of butchering it entirely just to match the pace and have a championship of 4 cars.
I'll never forget the fights Audi, Porsche and Toyota had back in 2012-2016 in the WEC. I haven't seen any sort of racing like that ever since and it genuinely makes me mildly depressed. There's no fucking way anyone who watches those replays even thinks they were doing 6-12-24h races because they duked it out like they were 10 lap sprints for the entire duration of the race.
I don’t think they’ve ever been faster than f1 at spa, only once they 919 evo which was free from rules was it faster, and only by a second or two
I don't mind NASCAR first and foremost, I love all motorsports individually, saying one is better than the other is ridiculous when they just aren't doing the same thing, and with totally different machines. Having said that, gotta say F1 would have my vote on the oval track. Higher top speed and more aero, so better on the corners, seems like its a foregone conclusion
I agree. It's senseless to love one and hate the other. Why can't we simply enjoy each on their own merits?
@@davidmurphy2903 Simple reason: F1, Indy, Stock cars are boring, to me. I personally could not tell the difference between any of the manufacturers cars if you laid them out in a line. These levels of motorsport are so tightly regulated, that there is so little difference between the vehicles. It's almost to the point where they might as well be a Spec-class of racing with a single make. If I want to see a race where the differences between the machines are effectively nullified, and the human is the primary differentiation? I'll watch Olympic sprinting honestly.
But....that's as far as my "hate" goes. I respect the shit out of the technology, the engineering, and the driver skill in all forms of racing. I just vastly prefer that the vehicle itself, is an actual factor. It's what draws me to Rally, to LeMans, to Hillclimbs, to grassroots circuit racing, to Baja and other forms of off-road racing.
This is a very interesting comparison and shows how all car designs are about compromise. I wonder if it would even be possible to build a car that would win top speed, acceleration, and lap times on different track types. It would be an interesting project for someone!
There is a race they do between a F1 car a GT car and a saloon, recently David Coulthard raced in the F1 car.
They give the other cars a head start, and the F1 car still caught up and passed them at the finish.
motogp is more entertaining than F1
they do ~350kmph regularly on the straight
they show the stats live for top speed every race
Since last year and this season? Nah, not for me.
For those interested in the conversion from metric to americaneze, 1 kilogram is equivalent to 2.2 pounds. So 800 kg is 1760 lb.
Any dope dealer in the states know their metric conversions.
With the 2022-spec F1 cars, with their aerodynamics moving much more towards ground effect and less complicated wings, I think it would be very close to IndyCar on pace on an oval, particularly if the track was smooth. The disadvatage creeps in if the cars would require refueling at any point, since current F1 regulations don't allow refueling during races and all cars must run to a specific maximum fuel consumption rate, which obviously doesn't affect IndyCar. The advantage comes back for the F1 car with its hybrid power unit, so it has some electricity to use too, very helpful in getting speedily out of corners, particularly lower speed corners - this is probably the major factor in the F1 car being faster around a circuit like Spa than the IndyCar. 2022-spec F1 cars also have much larger brakes than previous years, which means the stopping distances would be further reduced compared to pre-2022 cars.
Hi Ian, it's funny that you said effectively 'horses for courses' as far as race cars go. NASCAR may not be driven the same as other forms, but when I watched a race years ago - they were in formation, 3 abreast, and travelling at 200mph, inches apart - that is still impressive shit! As for MOTOGP, Aussie Wayne Gardner, our first World Champion riding for Honda, was talking about testing in Germany to his Crew Chief, and he was explaining how he was travelling down the back straight at Hockenheim in the rain - he was doing 320kph and he was mono-ing, fish-tailing and spinning the rear wheel - SICK!
"who has the balls to drive a motorcycle at 200mph" every TT Challenge rider laughing 😋
Until they ride over a pebble and stamp themselves into a wall at 200mph
They could go a lot quicker in F1, they keep a lid on it so people don't die.
You think Moto GP is crazy, check out The Isle of Man TT
yeah, but we're talking about circuit racing here
@@thatoneguyinthemiddle1910 IOM TT is a circuit. Just a street circuit. Many of these classes, including F1, race on street circuits too.
@@naycnay I see. my bad
In terms of bike racing,you need to check out Isle of Man TT.
IOM is a small island between England and Ireland and every year for 2 weeks in May they race a circuit on closed roads, going around most of the island.
7:53 you're absolutely right on that, f1 drivers go easy on the throttle and gradually build up to full throttle during race starts and after they exit slow corners because they would get wheelspin if they applied max throttle instantly as the car basically has a lot of torque but not enough grip to match that torque.
The solution to that lack of grip is of course downforce from aero dynamics but that comes into play once you get up to racing speed and are able to get that high pressure air to the wings, chassis and floor to generate the downforce.
Its the pinnacle of motor racing when you look at the insane amount of engineering that has be taken from the aerospace industry. Also F1 cars are designed by each team which is geared towards achieving extreme downforce. A formula car is not actually a car. But more of an aeroplane flying on wheels.
Have you ever driven a E Type Jaguar, I have..
It have 12 cylinder v12..
No tech crap..
Beats the shit out of the nanny crap we have now..
Music now is autotune, and cars nanny crap..
More than airplanes flying on wheels, they're quite literally reverse airplanes: where a normal airplane's wings are designed to push the vehicle up and so achieve flight, a f1 car wings are designed to push the car down, as it would fly by itself otherwise :D
@@graemejohnson9025 classic alfa driver here, I subscribe completely. Drive a carburated sporty rwd manual with no electronics and no abs, then talk about cars.
Yes, there is no comparison between driving an f1 (in a simulator, for me) and a hypercar with same power which probably resembles NASCAR more closely. They are not even fun, to me at least. Too fast to really enjoy.
Where f1 beats all other forms of racing is their cornering speeds.
F1 actually used to go up to around 380kph and with the record around and even crossing 400kph (during testing) but got slowed down multiple times over the years through regulations to increase safety
LMP used to also have top speeds of around 385kph which seems to be the upper limits for safe sustainable top speeds for racing due various factors of physics and aerodynamics, and then energy to drag ratios
How insane the topspeeds sounds of MotoGP, they actually reach it... on the Mugello track in Italy the reach this speeds
I recently discovered your channel and I love your react videos, and I like that you like racing in general :D
Being from Belgium, for us Spa is nothing but the best track in the world, but COTA is awesome too !
It seems that you not really aware of what LMP cars are, LMP stands for Le Mans Prototypes and they are for me the pinnacle of road racing as they're made to race for Endurance racing.
May I them recommand this particular video if you haven't seen it already ?
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It's about the lap on the Nordschleife onboard the Porsche 919 LMP1 being unrestricted to the maximum as a farewell to the LMP1 category (now replaced with the Hypercar class)
And if ya wanna see more about LMP races, there's this cool videos that shows great battles between LMP1 cars, this shows why it's the "queen" caterogy in the Endurance race, especially when the cars made in one race almost more than the entire F1 calendar:
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Peace man
One of my favourite clips.
Thank you so much for the video ideas! I’ll take a look, sounds awesome, I’m really happy to have ya aboard the channel, it’s a lot of fun, we have a great community here. There’s much to learn for me, Motorsport from all around the world is so exciting 🎉😎👍
The Moto GP bike speeds are pretty quick, but you should look into just how fast some bikes go on Isle Of Mann TT. Which although it's a street circuit, they go beyond those speeds at times.
Did you ever watch Getaway In Stockholm?
That Hayabusa reached stupid speeds.
No bike on the IOM has ever got close to the top speed of a MotoGP bike. IOM bikes are customized road bikes that are on open sale. MotoGP are 100% prototype bikes that are not available for sale anywhere and are meant to show the pinnacle of what the factories can build.
@@handsolo1209 Bruce Anstey got to just 30km/h slower than the top speed of a Moto GP bike while on the Isle Of Man TT in 2006, but continue?
@@handsolo1209 IOM hits 200mph+ in some places, which is about the top speed of MotoGP for the majority of circuits. Maybe down 10% on top speed in comparison to Mugello, which isn't a slouch.
It's physics. Bikes have little drag so getting up to those speeds is very possible, but going faster requires exponentially more power, especially with the same gearing. You could make a road bike go so much faster by just changing the sprockets, but it'd quickly become awful to actually ride.
MotoGP bikes likely accelerate a lot quicker, are lighter and have all the interesting suspension and aero. They'd do the TT faster, but they'd only be a bit quicker on the big straights. They'd show their worth in the corners and acceleration.
@@seanf5760 Right, so by going slower they go faster than MotoGP bikes, but continue?
So awesome to see a gear head expanding their motorsport enthusiasm! Enjoy the added knowledge & added fun of international motorsport!
It is surprising how little knowledge the comentator has
A guy I know used to do road racing with motorcycles 20 years ago. He had one of his bikes up to 330kmh / 205mph once on a test run. He was very happy to say that the numbers in the speedometer was not just for show. My parents also knew a guy that used to run top fuel bikes. That is an absolutely insane sport.
F1 is focused a lot tech development, this year's cars are running on e10 fuel, no refuelling and 1.6 litre engine capacity.. MotoGP were doing 220mph+ at last weeks race (Mugello, Italy)
Glad to have you! F1 loves America
I m italian, top speed is fun is crazy but the most important thing to me is lap time. Speed brought into the corner define the bravest driver.. eau rouge e pouhon spa, cavatappi laguna seca, maggots becketts Chapel e stowe Silverstone, tamburello Imola, wall of champions Montreal, Porsche curves Le Mans, arrabbiata1 arrabbiata2 Mugello, University of the motorbike Assen!
F1 is not designed for oval..
In these days i watch your videos so cool!