What Really Is TOO MUCH ROSIN on CELLO? - a Beginners Cello Lesson | Cello Coach Talks
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Well, I must admit that when I said I rosined the crap out of the bow, I wasn't quite that bad! : ) I appreciate the humorous and helpful response, Jonathan.
I'm afraid Jonathan missed the point. Some cellos (Beginner's Cellos) are NOT RESPONSIVE at all. So the first question should be "Has your cello teacher tested your cello with his own bow?" If you have an unresponsive cello, sometimes nothing can be done about it. You can change setup, bridge, strings, bow, bow hair, rosin and everything and it sometimes never improve. Such a cello is too expensive for free. Many problems can cause that. Low quality wood. Thick plates. Bad bassbar. Bad soundpost, Bad graduation. Even such details like tailpiece can play a role. So the question was "I struggle with rosin and bow"and the answer was pretty misleading. I think it was not funny at all. SOmetimes it is a bow or bow hair. Sometimes strings Sometimes cello setup. Sometimes it is a cello. How you can be sure it was too much rosin ?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!
I'm just laughing even about 30 seconds into the video as he's still adding rosin to the bow... But he keeps it up minutes in, LOL. I think he used enough rosin for the whole strings section of an orchestra.
Yup, a full 150 seconds of rosin should drive the point home!
Im dying of laughter hahahahaah 😂 this is golden!!! Ty for the best break on youtube 🤣🙏❤️
I was red faced with laughter after about 15 seconds of you applying the rosin and I'm still LMAO 2 minutes later. So hilarious. Thank you for some much needed humor. Your bow is snowing!
So much snow!! :-p
i used to rosin too much, teacher would call it bow dandruff haha
hehe
@@CelloCoach hey I need help how to do a rythymic pattern on cello
Yay! Thanks for this. I think it is a common question when we are starting out. I realized I put too much importance on rosining and not enough on the speed and pressure of my bowing. I didn’t realize I was pressing too hard on my bow. I thought more is better😩 I have since been able to supplement your videos with private lessons with an excellent teacher and you always confirm what he tells me!
Not gonna lie the first part looked cool, when you were playing
All that "smoke" did look cooler than it felt :-)
This was hilarious. I needed this in the moment because I was having a frustrating practice today. Thanks 😂👍
The dramatic pauses... were hilarious.
Thanks very very much for that very informative video. Really appreciate it
I also really appreciate the clarity
Glad you liked it, Trevor!
I would love a close up of the bow at the right stage of rosin, and also your tip of how to clean the strings when they're sticky due to rosin. It might sound trivial but I just started learning and the first time I put too much rosin on I just could never get the strings properly clean and unstucky!
Fantastic video!
That was brilliant 😂 ...and helpful as always :)
Glad you enjoyed it
I felt physical and mental strain watching you rosin the bow like that 😭😭😭 why have you forsaken us 😂
(Edit) ahhhh I went further more pain for suffering AHHHH THE DUST IS EVERYWHERE STOP PLEASE DEAR GOD STOP THE HIERARCHY
Pinkshadow Games I’m with you....so much innuendo in that video as well
Haha! I was laughing as soon as the video started and he was adding rosin to the bow. The title and his mischievous demeanor made it obvious what he was up to. Sure enough, he was adding rosin minutes into the video as I wondered when he'd stop. He probably used enough for an entire orchestral string section... With brand new bows. :-D
super funny video, thank you!
Happy you laughed maybe a little
Gahhh so difficult watching you put all that rosin on!!!
Thank you!!
Wow amazing... now I know what I have been doing wrong all this time! Thanks!
You are so welcome!
Great! Not just funny but helfull too! Good job!👍
Thanks for sharing! You are funny, and it is tough to watch you apply so much rosin at the same time :-)
PS: If you have the chance, please tell us about your wolf tone solution. My cello coach told me to "play around it", however I cannot help it... it just sometimes sounds glitchy. Without wolf I resonate at f, with wolf at f sharp. I was wondering, depending on the key, if you can take it off or put it back on for a respective key? I am curious to hear your thoughts. Thanks for getting us all started with cello!
Great, just a great question! I will answer this in the next Q&A. During the interim, here is an reply:
Our cellos can intermittently develop (or constantly have) a wolf tone. As humidity, temperature and barometric pressure change, so do our cellos' ability to produce sound. This "wolf" is a natural sonic anomaly, that occurs in the lower, right hand (if you are playing) portion of the body. By placing a weighted dampener, we MINIMIZE the wolf but as your teacher wisely stated, the tone is never gone, hence we literally have to play with that in mind.
We can move the dampener up and down either sting to produce the right amount of dampening. As for key signature differences, you are spot on! Quality cellos can paint a canvas of over tones and harmonics that will invigorate other frequencies, hence if you have an F# wolf, then keys that excite that note sonically will bring our the howler in your cello.
In the end, you are the expert on your cello. Not your teacher, not your luthier. You know what works and how to get the best out of it.
i have been playing the violin for over 2 years now and im thinking about starting to learn the cello and then i found ur channel!! can u make like tips for people who have some experience from the same family of instrument, whats the difference that i can find when i first start playing, also i can see from ur fingers and notes that you play that the spacings are different than the violin(i think!). Also do you think my violin background can help me in learning the cello or its like any beginner ?
This is a GREAT question, one I will answer in this month's Q&A. The short answer is cello is bigger and thus forces the 1 x 2 extension only, but the names of positions follow violin pedagogy. More on this later this month, Yahya.
Very helpful and funny.
Hello friend
So what would you do to clean up the bow if you put too much rosin????
I think you've answered my violin struggle too! I keep trying different rosins because sometimes my strings don't ring out and sometimes the bow keeps sticking. But then sometimes I put rosin on and it fixes it! For a bit.. so I tried different rosins and now I think I've overwhelmed the bow 🤣😅
I'll try to flick off a little and see if it helps next time I play. Ahh the rosin struggle
Very good one! You had me laughing at 3am in the morning. How abt the other way around ? Like too little rosin? *grin*
Lol. Now you gotta play all that Rosin off your bow, we should take bets on how long it is before you need to re rosin your bow. :)
it'a already gone! I play and teach alot :-)
Aside from the Evah do you recommend any other rosin for beginners? Thank you very much
Excellent vid! When the white stuff builds up and cakes on the string --- is that normal? Just asking because I'm still new to bow string instruments, which are very very nice instruments.
Yes, it is!
@@CelloCoach Thanks for mentioning that!
Hi Jonathan! Thanks for posting great vids. You mentioned in one of these the left hand thumb position, and referred to a video where you discussed this. I can’t seem to find the video and would appreciate your help in locating it. I am a cello newbie, although I play piano and Oboe.
Left hand thumb alignment - th-cam.com/video/rZCXVLgLyiY/w-d-xo.html
Jonathan, with extra rosin on the bow, my C and G strings have an extra noise like ssssssss. I cleaned the strings and the bow and it's a lot better now. I think when the string vibrates under the sticky bow hair, it causes that extra ssssssss. Have you noticed such noise?
Yes, that "sandy" sound - like being at a beach on a windy day - means there is too much, I'll apprehend.
Thank you
You're welcome
Where did i found a good bow for students with good quality? And not so expensive
So cool! Now I know until how long I have to treat my bow until it is over-rosined. Very long... I try it out, because I now think, I under-rosined my bow.
Also, try cleaning your strings with alcohol once a week
What should you do when rosin builds up and cakes on your strings?
Clean it off with a dry cloth
Hey Jonathan
A newbie cellist and a new subscriber here. I had two questions that i am hoping you could help out with. First one is what cello music you would recommend to learn for a complete beginner. I do play other instruments as well but I usually rely on my hearing and don't read music sheets since I wasn't trained to read classical music. So it is a bit difficult to find music which would be easy enough to learn on a cello. The second question is that my low C string of a cello sometimes plays a full octave higher. I do believe that it some how starts to play a harmony due to not being griped enough by the bow. Could this be due to my bad quality rosin? I only have the rosin that came with the cello so i think it might not as good as you mentioned in the older videos.
Kind Regards
Rokas
Sounds like you are lightly touching the C string while trying to bow the G string hitting primarily the intended G string but also C string as well effectively playing a harmonic on the C string.
Just starting out playing on the Cello the OEM rosin is not the major issue, try focusing on finger placement and bowing. Try playing any harmonic to see if that is the issue.
Hey thanks for the advice. It might sound strange but this actually happens when I play the actual Open C string. I don't press it hard or anything but when i play it sounds like its an octave higher. I don't play any other strings at the same time and when ever i play the other strings when ever they are open or not they sound fine. I got new rosin today so I hope this will help the issue. @@MGBode
@@Rokas108 couple of thoughts one your bowing speed and pressure maybe too fast for your applied pressure. Try slower with more pressure, maybe full bow in a 3 count. Also your contact point, bow between fiberboard and bridge try moving away from the bridge. Different grades of rosin, tree sap, grips differently but varying speed and pressure should make up for some problem with lighter rosins.
On sheet music, if you're used to tablature type sheet music for a guitar, I think you will need to just invest the time to learn traditional sheet music. There are endless apps, sites etc for learning traditional sheet music.
I used up my bar of rosin on the first 250 strokes, now I am out of rosin.....may I use ski wax instead? I have some Swix blue left over from our last skiing adventure? Or you prefer Swix red as its kind of warm indoors? Cheers Leif
No wax please
Damn that pretty useful. Thanks
I’m not sure why, but my rosin seems to be frozen. It’s chipping and shattering? Is that normal.
I have the same problem with my bow, I rosin it and it stays slippery after a while. It may be an issue with the rosin I have it is very hard and I almost make no marks on it and I certainly do not get a chalky residue or lines and I press quite hard. I will try the rosin in the link and see if it makes a difference.
Make sure you have cello rosin, it is less dusty and more sticky than violin rosin
So much thanks for this lesson. I wonder that does anybody have the problem of resonating not well when not playing the open string? It sound weird every time I play.
check out the TINNY sound video from Adelaide this year, it may help
What was the piece you were playing please?
its amazing too much rosin is a must
Wait does rosin hold a powdery form ? Mine isn’t leaving any of that residue.
Noob here (new to cello, 67 years old). Sooo, rosin until you start to see those lines? Or, how do you know when you've applied enough.
Rosin as you go, and as needed.
So supposing I did over rosin my bow. What's the best way to get rid of the excess rosin?
Just play it off, I’m no pro, but touching the hair is bad for the bow due to the oils and I wouldn’t dare to wipe it either. Just play and it will dust off eventually
how could you clean your bow hairs if youve put too much on?
Ha ha...that over rosined bow reminded me of Pigpen on Charlie Brown.😂
Pigpen lol
2:34 finallyyyyyy
1:16 and I want to walk into the video and make you stop!
Keeps going to 2:32 ;-)
It is kind of satisfying to see clouds of rosin dust come off you bow while playing.
Cool to watch, yeah
Basically is it not okay to use double bass rosin? 😅 I got Pop's rosin because it's been dry and cold here. Also, does it matter if I don't put rosin on close to the frog? 🐸 ~3 cm rosin free = no sticky fingers.
Thank you for all your help! Love your videos. This was funny.
So Pops rosin is aa very particular product, not designed for the thickness of our strings.
Look out for my CORUSS synthetic bow hair review, coming soon. I will discuss the right application of Pops Bass Rosin
Kolstein rosin was made by a double bass player and is good for both cellos and basses
What about the correct amt. of rosin?
Now I had a good laugh 🙂
Ok, so I get that you can put too much rosin on.. but I still don't understand how much is enough :( When I play slow everything is fine, but once I start playing faster, the strings just don't catch that easily. And I can't figure out if I've rosined too much or too little :D
What song did you play?
This dudes charisma is like perfectly on par to be a walking dead villain
I don’t use a lot Of Rosin I hate how sticky it is on the strings and I try to get all the Rosin off the stings but I still Rosin my Bow.
Yes, too much rosin can make cello hard to play
Every time i play, i get rosin build up what should i do
Clean it with a cloth(microfiber) i use the cloth for glasses, just wipe it off
So it's like ringing crystal. You need just enough grip that it freely vibrates.
In my very unscientific opinion, yeah
What song is that? I just started sawing and dont know really anything about this instrument or music.
When?
It's the prelude to Bach's first cello suite.
Also known as the cellist's Anthem.
At some point I started to question if there is a health risk to having a literal cloud of rosin!That can't be good if you accidentally breath that stuff in on a regular basis! XD
Please what is the name of the music you play
during which part?
I want to know what did you play at 3:26
Bach's cello suite no. 1 in G major
Uh what song did u play.... please I wanna know cause I really like it....
Where in the video?
@@CelloCoach the song that you played....
3:30
Ok....so you have too much rosin.....now what? how do you get rid of it?
You play, jseiver. You play.
@@CelloCoach OK, I'll do that, thanks for the reply
When your mom walks by at exactly 0:25
i use rosin for my violin bow that is reaaaaally old, it belonged to my Great-Grandfather.
Keeping the art alive! I honor you!
What piece is he playing?
Probably Bach?
Bach cello suite no 1
Ah, so now how to clean it off properly?
Aha! Play, Jeana. Just play and keep on playing :-)
This is a try not to get scarred challenge
My daught always did this that shows her cello teacher how hard she practise cello at home.
hehe
I rosin a bow too much and tried to get the excess off . I ended up being allergic to the rosin so put clarity rosin on it.. what a gooey mess. I still can’t get the rosin off my bow. I’ve tried a tooth brush and even took it to music store. I cannot get a clear un-gooey junk off the strings and bow. I’ve given up. Its actually gooey and slides at times. Music store said just play it a lot. Horrible sounding and I’ve given up. Went an bought a new bow. Frustrated.
You only need to rehair the bow or have the luthier clean off the excess with spirits
You won't be needing more application for 2 years! LOL!
Hahahha... I imagine that tempo is so slow probably because it takes so long for each note to speak…! That was cringe watching so much be put on.... my instincts told me to stop but it wasn’t my bow that I was covered in rosin… You can hear the friction and almost feel it.
It did not want to play, surely so, but I had to prove a point
Cool huwip
Omg 😯
😅😅
😉
This gave me so much gd anxiety, good lord.
sorry
You're giving me rosin anxiety.
LOL
@@CelloCoach a friend of mine asked me how much rosin is too much. I'll show him this video.
Close captioned - Rosalind's my bow... Really?
Haha, yeah auto-generated. Should be better now
Thank you. But I had to go to the comments to learn that cello rosin is not the same as violin rosin, and you do not mention that the rosin burns into the strings. It becomes dificult to remove without alcohol, but that poses another new danger to the wood. These issues are huge for new players. I suggest you reshoot this one for that reason and cover cleaning strings (or not), and rosin types.
I do concede, there will be an upcoming video about the benefits of spirits and clean strings. Thanks for the pointed criticism. Noted.
I always point this out when it comes to my primary bowed instrument, stråkharpa. Man, you should see how much rosin people use on their bowed lyre bows... horrendous.
It is usually not the gear, accessories or instrument that is the problem. It is 99.9% the players ability to control the instrument and bow.
Cool story, The Geat.
@@CelloCoach I can't quite comprehend if you are being sarcastic, rude or if you actually mean it. 😌
STOOOOOOOP!!!
I did, at 2:33
@@CelloCoach It was painful until then! XD But thanks for the class! I began learning cello some weeks ago and your videos are very helpful :) (Btw I was wondering if the action of scratching the hairs with the rosin wouldnt reduce the life of the hair... )
Rosin your bow a lot to get enough snow for the whole world
I am very new to this, wanted to check how much I should be doing, saw you rosin-ing the hell out of your bow and thought, oh no I've not been putting enough on so picked up my rosin and copied you exactly for 2 whole minutes for you to say, 'I'm putting too much on right now to prove a point'....
Weird accidental ASMR
You are handsome
personally, i think there is no such thing as too much rosin
to each their own
Jesus
Christ
I had to stop watching!
Am I the only one who thinks this sounded super sexual and then he didn’t make it any better with his voice and attitude and maybe was clueless hopefully but not sure