Tim tells Dawn he loves her (& other stuff we don't know)
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- Tim while talking to the camera decides it's time to take a chance and confesses his feelings to Dawn, who is leaving the UK with her (horrible) boyfriend. We don't hear their conversation, but when Tim addresses to the camera again, he just says "She said no, by the way".
This bit belongs to the BBC! Nothing here is mine (Martin, sighh...!)
It's the silence that makes this scene so good.
This was great but unlike the American version they don’t really explain what Tim was going through and stuff
Like Jim had depression and an Implication of An eating disorder because Pam was with Roy
I know but it kinda of adds to the feel and I think it makes it better
It’s supposed to be a documentary about working at an office, it has to feel real. We don’t need to know all the intricate details of character’s lives, if we did then the whole concept wouldn’t feel real. British programmes’ magic is in their subtlety.
Late comment but I feel like they made it pretty obvious that Tim was depressed and unsatisfied with life throughout the show, part of that definitely had to do with the job though.
The way he stumbles over his words, "cause... you know... you act... you can't act... you can't change circumstances"
that was such great acting
Very rare you get shows where the characters trip over their words or stammer like you do in The Office. That's the beauty of the show, everything right down to the dialogue is so believable.
Agree - amazing acting. He does the same sort of thing in the David Brent 'fires' Chris Finch scene, when responding to being accused of the prank.
"She said no, by the way." One of the most soul crushing lines in TV history
At least he asked her. I asked a girl out two days before she was due to go away, possibly for good. She said no. But she gave me a hug. I'm still not entirely sure what she felt about me. That was two weeks ago. Ah well, at least I asked her.
Leroy Jenkins - I've been on TH-cam since 2006, and I've NEVER read anything as moronic as your comments. I think you must have suffered brain death some time ago, and your body just hasn't caught up yet. You will never be an 'alpha male', and I think you know it. Alpha is about what is best in a man, and you have the mind and wit of a child.
Leroy, to be fair you do seem like a decent bloke. Screw it, the crazy world of TH-cam comments eh?
Leroy, Carlo, let's hope 2018 brings us all what we need in the way of relationships.
ForViewingOnly The way you've written this I imagine you're more like David Brent than Tim.
You try summat, and that's...
ForViewingOnly - it's better that you said it at all. And even if we have reasons for saying no (of which could be anything - timing, circumstance, feelings for someone else, whatever), it almost always still feels nice to have someone tell you they care about you. And she was leaving anyway. I say, out of all the circumstances for telling someone you like them, you had the best scenario. It took guts. You won't ever look back and wonder if you missed your chance. And if she likes you at least as a friend, she was probably flattered/touched.
This scene is amazing and broke my heart.
One of the best Scenes ever not only in The History of UK TV but of The Office Franchise. Did they do similar scenes for other versions of the show.
Yes, they have the rejection scene in the US version. Jim (the version of Tim lolll) spontaneously tells her after 2 seasons of intense and awkward buildup. It's really sad.
@@laminage in the history of uk tv...??? u must be joking.
@@JohnSmith-hk1lx When I said it I meant to say that The UK has overall done some amazing scenes and this was one of them.
Stay strong.
More raw and realistically done than the American equivalent, with Jim's confession and kiss, even though i like that one very much too. The fact that you don't know what he said is brilliant. You can't go away with Lee? I want you to stay? I want to be with you? I'm in love with you? So many different sentences he could've said, and a 'no' extinguishes all of them. And he just has to put on a brave face and continue onward in his empty, stagnant life indefinitely (or so we think). Bravo to the writers
This was a clip that showed the Brilliance of Ricky Gervais. He made sure that nobody heard them and fans turned up the volume on their TV to listen and they never knew what was "actually" said. That scene broke my heart.
laminage, totally agree
*and Stephen Merchant
@@lupus2614 Yes. They are both wizards. It's a show that made you laugh and even cry. The Scene I never forgot was The Office Special where I thought Dawn had "Married" Lee and had a Baby. They were in The US and they were working under the Table. I liked "this" Version more than the US Version.
Stephen Merchant deserves just as much credit for this show. We've seen the trash Ricky creates without Merchant lol.
Yes and Stephen Merchant…. People act like he did everything.
Nice touch on the mic off
That's what I thought,
For moments like this, I think The Office U.K is the best, no cap.
I remember watching this scene with a group of people which included a pretty hardcore metal guitarist who wasn’t someone who really showed emotion. He made this sound like he had been punched in the stomach when Tim says “she said no.”
This episode is to the The Office what Ozymandias was to Breaking Bad. Gut punching and it all falls apart for the main characters (apart from Gareth, but even his promotion is a hollow victory)
@@mrtrolly4184 Even though it is a little bit "fairytale", I feel it is satisfying how the Christmas specials bring some closure to the characters...only for the Brent film to undo all that and present David as the same socially awkward loser he stopped being.
That’s a brilliant allegory
@@billygoat9666it’s neither an allegory nor an analogy. It’s a simile. Saying one thing is ‘like’ another.
Looking back at that time, it was a blessing in disguise that Dawn left, Tim would have been a mess if she had stayed and he saw her everyday knowing he poured his heart out to her and she said "No!"
laminage if she had stayed he wouldn’t have asked though
I don’t understand why she said no. Clearly liked him
@@Oakland510 And Lee was not a good bloke.
@@chogokin666 Obviously Joel is a much better shag. Tim the Fisher Price man with scruffy hair does not stand a chance with a more classy piece of totty even though Dawn needs to lose a few pounds and has an annoying neck mole she should get sliced off.
@@Oakland510 Lee was a much better catch though, and could probably pound her senseless like Tim could never do thus satisfying her sexual needs. Tim could offer her more intellectually but Secretary birds like Dawn think with what is between their legs.
That is why I kinda have a problem with the american version. Don't get me wrong, I love it too, but the last seasons became kind of a mess. It didn't suck, but in comparison to S1 it was so distant.
S1 captured peefectly the essence of the series.
US version sticks to its original premise (being somewhat realistic mockumentary) for the first 3 seasons, after that it becomes just a whacky sitcom. It's a shame tho, I rate those 1-3 seasons as high as the british original (IMHO).
Tim does the Manc Walk 2000 up the corridor
Best. Comic. Series. Ever.
It was an original series, not based on a comic. The US version was a remake of this show.
Gregory's Goals I'm pretty sure he means comic as in comedic not based on a comic book
not even top-10
@@JohnSmith-hk1lx gotta hear your top ten then mate.
@JohnSmith-hk1lx you are on drugs. Its a masterpiece
all in one take. just incredible
So Martin Freeman and John Kransinski play the same character in the UK / US versions of the show?
Yes
They did change the name from Tim to Jim. So creative
Ego Geo you got that from the office snl sketch
They start off exactly the same (because the first US Office episode is basically identical to the British one) and their overall arcs roughly match the British version. But the characters turn out differently in lots of ways. They have to, because Tim and Dawn are so thoroughly British in personality and mannerisms. If they'd made Jim and Pam that way it wouldn't have felt authentic.
McD5791 yea
Soul destroying
This reminds me of the time I asked out this girl in year 2 and asked her to marry me last year. She said no both times.
respect the grind
This here. This was so sad. The way he turned off his mic, so you had to guess and then, i just... i can't believe i liked the American office.
There's nothing wrong with liking the American office.
@@Robert___98 not if you're after a mixture of a sketch show and soap opera
They’re both different shows. The British one is a lot more real life but the US one is very good
Don't worry dude, I asked my self the same. Still,I think The Office UK is miles better than the office us, that show is like a soap opera.
An amazing scene. Managed to say so much with so little.
Common sense suggests he just asked her to stay, and she said she can't. That's it. He doesn't tell her he loves her or confesses his feelings, that would make the briefness of this exchange and both of their reactions nonsensical, besides which they are not 12.
Aren't we confident about something no one knows anything about
How often do we have the perfect words when we need or want them? Usually you're thinking later "if only I'd said......."
"You don't change circumstance" indeed implies he was trying to directly manipulate the circumstance, asking her not to leave.
Oh this is just so sad
If I remember correctly there wasn’t supposed to be anymore to the story.
The outcry was enormous so Gervais/Merchant worked hard on a final chapter that could conclude things on a satisfying note; boy and did they.
I don’t know why the US show didn’t do this scene.
fowardslash gii
I mean doing it where the sound drops out.
because it was so against the 'vibe' of the US version. Jim and Pam were friends and although Pam was dating that other guy, it was pretty obvious she liked Jim and they would end up together, so muting them would have been really weird.
Tim and Dawn had a much more bittersweet relationship and it was a lot more complicated and unknown, which was represented in this scene I think.
Well, they did recreate this when Jim finds out Pam is pregnant
...and also when Pam says goodbye to Michael at the airport. Michael removed the sound pac going in and Pam was unmic'ed.
Think lot of people felt this
Can we get a transcript?
Will give it a try!
Hobbit bring me here
i came here from the US casino night and tbh i genuinely cant decide which is better
Well, it doesn't really make sense in the US one. The characters continually acknowledge that they are mic'd up and on a documentary...yet the Casino Night stuff still happens. Do Jim and Pam really seem like the kind of people who would be fine with televising a public confession of love and Pam being unfaithful? The UK version obviously handled it a lot more tactfully and realistically.
Perfection.
At the end of this scene, the camera lingers of Tim's face for a few seconds. I always though he had a little smirk on his face there. Initially I thought she'd said yes and he was just telling us she'd refused. The way the show plays out though, she probably did say no.
I like jasper carrot
Did you realise that his daughter played Dawn?! Strange coincidence that you should compare this scene to his comedy!
this is why the office uk is so superior to the office us.
I asked my cousin out the night before she was getting married to my best mate from school. She said no, but the S was amazing.
4 years before that, I asked my teacher out, and she also said no, but again, the S was amazing.
My mum's soon to be new husband has a beautiful daughter. I will go for 3 out of 3. Wish me luck.
He says, "I love you" and she says, "No"?
no he probably asked her to stay - no adult would just tell someone they loved them outright like that
@Hugh Jones Trying out some new vocabulary, eh? Good for you. Just be careful of malapropism.
We didn’t deserve to hear that conversation
Think of all the Dawns and Tims who can't hook up now because of the fucking c-19 😣
Tim really wanted to say “When I “Chirpsed” Dawn, I “drew” her as a friend”.
#Slang #Lingo
Que fofo
Why did she say no thought she loved him back
People are often scared to make big changes to their lives. If Dawn told Tim she loved him, she would need to break up with Lee and change her plans to move. Part of her is too scared to do that, so she just says no instead.
As much as I love the show, and as happy as I am that Tim and Dawn got together in the Xmas Special, this episode made Dawn insufferable. She pined for Tim since series 1, she stayed with Lee because he was the familiar confident guy albeit a selfish jerk, yet when Tim dumps his girlfriend because he knows he loves Dawn, she rejects him. Way to go, breaking Tim's heart & deeply frustrating the audience! Ugh.
Well said. She lead him on too only to turn him down when he finally has the balls to tell her what she already knows, they are both madly in love with each other but she won't leave Lee.
i think youre oversimplifying the situation by looking at it purely through tim's perspective and not dawn's. yes she likes him, but she's with someone- and it's a serious relationship at that. it's not easy to break up a relationship with a history just bc you have a crush on a coworker. also keep dawn's personality in mind, she's not the kind of person to just say "yes, fuck it! let's date" what made this show great was how real it was. dawn getting together with tim cheapens that
@@mr.manes88 maybe don't fell for someone else when in a serious relationship.
@@wesleyyu1394 what incredibly brilliant advice
After 18 years, this had never occurred to me before and is a great observation.
I would come back however with the fact that Dawn may not have been aware that Tim had split with Rachel so she probably thought it best to just let him go, coupled with the fact that she was emigrating to America with Lee. Obviously she didn’t love Lee but they were still engaged and maybe she decided ultimately was wrong to keep leading Tim on and a clean break was in order.
We’ll never know what was said in the meeting room and to be honest, I don’t think even Lucie Davis or Martin Freeman knew as we barely saw them actually speaking.
Dawn and Tim are clearly the nicer, more well adjusted characters in the entire show but it just goes to show even decent people like them make poor decisions sometimes.
Such a great scene though.
This is why you don't bother, because this is what the answer always is haha
That is why I kinda have a problem with the american version. Don't get me wrong, I love it too, but the last seasons became kind of a mess. It didn't suck, but in comparison to S1 it was so distant.
S1 captured peefectly the essence of the series.
UK version never overstayed its welcome!!
The fate of the nice guy, hesitates to make a move even when it's obvious that he should, bad boy comes in and swoops her away, doomed last ditch effort is made but it's tooo late.
sheeny In What way is he not that nice?
It's an incredible scene, but Dawn just seems so weak-minded at this point in the show. It's a shame, because she's making a fool of Tim and herself. Yes, it's realistic in a way, but leaving for America with Lee? That's a BIG decision, and I think she was only set on doing that when she thought Tim had moved on (with Rachel)
@Ali O'Neal Everyone knew that Lee was a controlling, childish prick, who could think of nobody but himself. Tim and Dawn loved each other. She knew deep down that she was making a mistake with Lee. So, Tim wasn't a douche. He genuinely cared for Dawn and was in love with her. Lee was too into himself to even realise that Dawn had brilliant artistic talent He couldn't care less about Dawn's dream of becoming an an artist. And, in the end, Dawn swept Tim away.
@zada Yeah, I don't know why people would think Tim's nice. He's the usual everyday guy, he can be nice, but he can also be an ass, like most people are. Lee didn't "come in and swoop" Dawn away, she was already with Lee before this.
I've been there twice.
UK office is so incredibly genius & emotional throughout really shows anxiety and heartache and humiliation, it’s so deep. Where as American version is just a silly haha funny show
In the US version, the camera crew would magically appear in the room and we'd hear everything they say, because who has time for subtlety or realism?
can't you just enjoy something without dragging down other?
Who says everything hasn't to have realism? Reality can be so draining sometimes that people prefer to see exaggeration or imagery through media as opposed to realism. Both have their places as art forms....
No. It wouldn't. They would probably have an equally good scene for this.
@harrydrake173 So TRUE. US version is not a patch on the UK one. US one is unfunny and corny. They over do everything.
How on earth does this show that Tim tells Dawn he loves her?
Oh boy can’t wait for a million people to prove you wrong
@Hugh Jones a) as a fan of The Office, I've seen this episode several times and at no point does Tim say that he told Dawn he loves her
b) even if he DID tell Dawn he loves her, then why would the caption for this clip be "&other stuff we don't know"?
c) again, even if he DID tell Dawn he loves her, then that's not in this clip anyway. If I clicked on a video about "Messi's ten best ever goals", I wouldn't expect the clip to not show any goals and then for someone to say "watch all the games he's played in".
If the caption says that Tim tell Dawn he loves her, we should see Tim telling Dawn he loves her in the clip. We don't.
@Karl Hinze In the Christmas Special he mentions that he asked her out twice (this presumably being the second time). Maybe he didn’t literally say “I love you” but it’s at least heavily implied that he’s expressing some degree of romantic interest in her.
I read an interview with Lucy Davis (in the brilliant, much-missed Word magazine) where she said they played a totally straight bar and that Martin/Tim told her/Dawn that he loved her. She said there was no point being nonsensical about it and saying “Do you want a piece of cake?” or something daft because that wouldn’t inform his emotions immediately afterwards. Great acting all round.
It's not real.
I'm not gayyyyyy
Another scene that got folks was the Last Episode on The Sopranos and The Screen went Black and a guy in the uk thought his electricity went out. He didn't know it was the end.
The American version of The Weakest Link was better.
I love how on topic this is :'D
That silly cow Dawn. Why turn him down when she was evidently so miserable with her horrendous boyfriend ?
Tim's a pillock too - the lovely, sweet, funny Rachel was so much better for him and he dumped her !
I know, it's so sad to see Dawn reject him and stay with an utter dick. But, Tom didn't love Rachel. He was in love with Dawn.
Rachel was up herself. Tim fancied her but he didn't really like her.
@@vordman No she wasn't! She was lovely, and clearly in love with Tim.
Which is presumably why, by the final Christmas specials, she'd left the job she loved - heartbroken.
jim and pam forever
And?
Tim has very low standards. And i dont know how it is legal in England for Men to date Down Syndrome women?
Lucy is gorgeous.
JIMS IS BETTER
There's no need to compare. Christ
no Tim is
Why is the office USA version way better than the original (UK)???
You got to be kidding!!!
The Office 9.9/10 The US Version 4/10. Some of my best comedy shows are from the US but these two are poles apart and the original is far superior.
^that's b8, m8s
In the US version, Dunder-Mifflin is portrayed as a really fun place to work that’s filled with dozens of zany characters who you’d love to hang out with... this completely misses the point of the original version.
haha
Does anyone ever call out Dawn for dating one man and leading on another?
Western culture doesn't "call out" women.