Hurricane Testing - Whats the Failure Point?
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- Building to withstand extreme weather events means understanding the capabilities and performance of every component in the wall assembly. Matt visits the prosoco.com plant in Kansas City to check out their test wall facility that can spit out hurricane force winds in order to test their products on common building envelope mistakes!
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Ask any window manufacturer and they'll tell you that casement windows are the tightest air and water seal, followed by double-hung, and last are sliders. Notice how the German window was a casement? And notice how the cheap windows were sliders? I'm sure the Germans make a fine window, but the comparison is apples and oranges.
I think the point being made is which window would you prefer to have in climatic conditions where the wind gusts may regularly exceed 40mph -- show this video to a client demanding cheapo windows to prevent a potential lawsuit down the road.
It’s about the products around the window and on the walls. They aren’t selling windows. The sliders are the most typical window in America installed. All the builders here now pretty much install hurricane windows.
I'd like to see a test with Huber green board and Prosoco liquid flash over the seams, nail heads and jambs only.
At 150 mph winds my neighbor's shop is going to end up all over the county. If the wind is blowing your way, the seal around the window will be the least of the problem.
I was involved in clean up after Hurricane Harvey. While you are exactly right that badly built buildings are a danger. There was a lot of intact buildings that didn't suffer outside damage just failings of their own items, ei windows, doors etc. So yeah your neighbors shop may go ballistic, but you should still do all you can. Even if all the problems you couldn't solve, why not solve the one you can?
@Steve Slade, my house and all other houses in my subdivision have barrel tile roofs. I'm in central Florida and my home took a direct hit from Maria a couple years ago. I have lived in FL my whole life and I've been in the eye of two other hurricanes, but Maria was the worst I have seen by far. Winds were over 130 in my area and, unlike other hurricanes, it went on with that intensity for 8+ hours.
Anyway, I lost about a dozen tiles from my roof, but they all ended up in my lawn a couple of feet from the roof overhang. Once they let loose and they are on the downwind slope of the roof they just slide and tumble almost straight down to the ground or stop short of falling of the roof at all. I guess they don't catch the wind as much as you might think. I probably had the worst roof damage in the neighborhood (as far as I know I'm the only one that had any roof damage). There were lots of other structures down and projectiles in the area, but at least in my experience roof tiles proved to be less of a concern than I would have thought.
Personally, I would be more concerned with 3 tab shingles. Those things end up everywhere, entire roofs get stripped of them, and they fly around like frisbees. For months afterwards there were 3 tab shingles all over the place and in some cases the nearest home was 100+ feet away.
Soooooo cool! We don't have Hurricanes in Wisconsin, but we do have straight line winds quite often. Definitely need to think about this when designing my garage! 👍👍😎
I'm just a few miles down the road from their headquarters. Looking forward to using their products on me next build!
Let us know if we can answer any of your questions!
I would be interested to see what happens with a wall that isnt overbuilt. With all the additional structure in the wall you would be getting less flex which would put more strain in the window and less on the prosoco products.
Skubasteve21 we have run these tests in Australia for window ratings and the wall structure has to be the same as a everyday build which in Australia is normally 3x2 pine with no sheathing just brace board where the area is too small for metal strapping then a 50mm cavity and single brick veneer.
They want the wall to hold. They aren’t selling the wall structure but the products sealing them. If the walls keep failing then they can’t properly test their products.
With cat 4-5 hurricane nearby by. Most of roof sheeting will go, so flood will come trough the roof, so at that point waterproofing of windows becomes irrelevant.
Although air tight window and vapor barriers well make sense for humid climates to hold controlled humidity and temperature inside the house.
Another good video on the prosoco material I will be using the Cat 5 in the future
Love the videos! Great info!
Awesome visualization and also I want to thank you for all the links related to this.👍
So the leaky cheap vinyl windows are indeed hurricane proof!
They actually help up pretty well considering the force they were taking lol.
Love your intro and your tagline!
Got a love R & D.
Play Safe From Elliot Lake Ontario Canada.
Prosoco looks like a great product. What's the perm rating? Can the wall breath to the outside if needed?
Pretty awesome testing. We should put something like this together in central Texas.
Good morning. I would love to see a video about using the prosoco products or a similar product for a DIYer to seal the inside of a existing building. Or ways to seal up a home from the inside out with out having access to the outside.
What's with the leaking from the non-window portions?
You are seeing the run down from the windows and on the left one of the relief gauges leaks
Love your videos. I wish I could use these products in nz
People in hurricane-prone areas often board up their windows. I'd like to see a test to show how effective that is to prevent leaks and window failure.
Boarding up the windows is more to stop flying objects not to stop water leaking it.
@@thedestroyer3262 it can stop leaking to an extent.
hope you enjoyed Lawrence!
I used to do tests like this as a fenestration engineer in 2002, we didn't use fluorescing die in the water, good idea.
Matt, please, please, please do a video about storm shelters that are integrated into the structure of a house.
We had 155mph winds in Panama City via Hurricane Michael. The houses with cheap windows, attic vents, and no hurricane straps are pretty much gone.
Very interesting. Of course, water damage in a build occurs over time, which is more difficult to simulate. How much stronger and more easily sealed would round windows be? I know, weird and how would they open, but just thinking about aircraft and ship applications.
Is this product a full house wrap? Replacing zipsystems products for housewrap or in conjunction?
thanks I'm wanting to build a new home west of ST Louis & want to do a good job
Here in Hurricane Micheal it was all about the roof and tree windfall damage.
Hi Matt just a QQ, building a house in active hurricane zone with impact resistance glass doors and windows, do I still need to install hurricane shutters?
0:59 Quick! Switch the machine into Slime Time Live mode! I dare you to take the Physical Challenge! Give him a Splat! Especially when he says, "Onnn the Build Show!".
So when builders use the cheap casement windows and leaks happen, are they held responsible?
there are some flaws in this testing they used a sliding window for the vinyl but a casement for the german. not a fair comparison at all. while i do think the german window is good would have been nice to see the same type of windows. also what about windows that dont open at all just a vinyl or german made with no openings just a viewing glass no option to open it.
Yes. Picture window.
@@kipcarroll486 yea
It is a test lab for there sealant not so much the windows so they control the variables they care about. I'm sure they have done many us made casement. It makes a strong case for not using cheap windows. What would have been cool is see how bad they leak then hop in and apply a the red stuff and stop the leak in short order. Like the cardboard box demo.
@@tysleight i get that they were pushing the liquid apply. but if they both had shown both types of windows being casements then i would be able and many others would be able to clearly see that the german ones are much better ones. but seeing as they use 2 different types which have much different leak results seems abit strange. the fluid applied stuff works great i know it does. but as i am getting ready to build a new 5000 sq ft house in a few months would be nice to see the real difference in them in a apples to apples situation
I recognize what's going on, it's totally scripted, but holy shit I still laugh. Great intro Matt. Your comfortability is great.
Where/when do we see the windows being blown-out (as per the thumbnail image)??
But I want to see how well it works after the siding nails punch a bunch of holes in it.
Hi Christopher! We're happy to say that the Cat 5 system self seals around nails to ASTM D1970 Standards - so it should perform just as well!
do you guys are planing to sell prosoco outside the Us?
They should also test for ability to withstand the shockwave from a nuclear explosion. The shockwave from a nuclear explosion can be modelled by a short period of high pressure.
I wish I could have had some of these products on my house on September 6th 2017 when hurricane Irma cam over with sustained winds at 189mph and gusting to 356mph on parts of the island of St John.
@Steve Slade Mine did because it is made from 8" thick cement walls and ceiling. They were breathing about 6" throughout the storm though (very scary). I did have a hurricane window that was covered by 1/2" plywood implode from being impacted by someones aluminum hurricane shutter. I did have water force its way through or around every window and door, even with aluminum roll down shutters over most of them. I was luckier than many of my neighbors that lost everything..
How do the stud bays breathe? With supposed zero permeability how will the house dry? Seems each manufacturer just addresses one small part of the pie and ignores creating a true 'system'. Take care. Doug
Hi Douglas, permeability may vary depending on application thickness, but at the recommended thickness (12 mils) it has a permeability of 18 perms. It is intended to allow the wall to breathe and dry but won't let water in.
For more information, you can visit prosoco.com/product/cat-5/
You sold me on zip and prosoco
Is it cat5 more cost effective than zip?
Wonder if at some point a product like this could be built up like a stucco as the final layer... kinda like a stucco applied to OSB with a variety of textures/colors/etc.... a materials savings for sure.
I don't think it would be a UV stable product, as it's not meant for prolonged UV exposure but to be covered.
I looked at the website recently and I recall that they don't recommend painting it as the final surface because it would be degraded by UV rays when the pain wore off.
Fast Flash and Cat 5 are not intended to be an exterior product. We do have a formulation for use in rain screen wall assemblies, but for the most part this is meant to be covered with some sort of exterior cladding.
Matt, Can the CAT5 be sprayed on with a proper airless sprayer?
At this time, Cat 5 can only be applied by roller, but a sprayer grade version is coming soon. If you would like more specific details we can connect you with a specialist at 1-800-255-4255.
@@ProsocoSince1939 Excellent! Thank you for responding.
Im curious to see how a casement/fixed vinyl window would fare vs these sliding windows.
And I noted that the "German" window was a casement. Casements have much better sealing than sliders or DH/SH windows. Also, he didn't say what the German window was made of, what rating the vinyl windows had, unless I missed it.
I have no doubt the prosoco product works, though. Don't get me wrong.
@@kipcarroll486 yeah it seemed like a kind of disingenuous dig on vinyl windows to refer to them as vinyl windows and not sliding windows
@@xxxdvgxxx Germans make vinyl windows, too. But he didn't clarify what the German window material was made of. I'm sure one of the purposes of their test was to show how cheaper windows leak more while their prosoco doesn't. I get that. But there are many great vinyl windows made .......and made all over the world.
Well the German Window look a that lol sounds so funny it's normal to me
Does an Energy Star rating influence how windows perform in this environment?
No, it does not. EStar rates products for thermal efficiency, and for air leakage at a wind speed of 25 mph.
Do they help protect concrete and the Styrofoam ICF walls?
You wouldn't use something like this. Below grade you'd want a EPS compatible bituminous peel and stick membrane (or liquid applied), and above grade any generic water barrier just to make sure that nothing gets into those cracks between EPS foam. Window mounting is different too, and depends on what sort of window you're doing.
Funny how you’re told to leave the bottom of a vinyl or fiberglass window unsealed “so any water that does get passed can get out” yet on aluminum windows they go so far as to tell you to caulk the bottom inside to “create a dam”
Ok so leave the bottom open on the cheaper vinyl window but install a dam on the aluminum window?
Building my next home in Kauai - guess I just found my waterproofing system...
@@bmay8818 He's building a home in Kauai. I highly doubt money is an issue.
1st view. First time ever😊
Congratulations. How do you feel? haha
In Denmark fast flashing means something completely different 😂😂
As I recall, Victor Borge said they had three genders there: male, female, and convertible.
That German window that costs like 50x the Elcheap O builders grade windows
Yes, but can it handle 5 cats?
What are your thoughts on the ihbs' fortified for safer living building standards? I'm not sure why all homes aren't built to the fortified standards.
They're not "so leaky." It's a built in "anti-blow out" safety feature.
bahopik 😂😂😂 gold
I notice no mention of cost compared to other products? Guessing about the same as a Lamborghini. Nice for all those million plus homes.
This would likely add $1-2/ft to the build cost of a house
My window in Philippines is survived from the super typhoon goni
Tell them you have Kenny Reeves from Reeves always gripping on your feed. I know them well.
@01:00 START TEST 😂
now shoot a 2x4 out of a cannon at 100 mph, that's a hurricane test.
what do you think the cost would be to do an moderately sized home with the cat5 all over and that kind of window setup? say a 2000sq ft house?
I wonder how far a 5 gallon bucket would go? I would assume about 2 for each side of the house. Maybe 3 on long sides 🤷♂️. So at that price maybe ballpark 5k? Or am I way off? I would definitely spend 5k for that level of quality and protection.
I'm just finishing up a 1967 sq ft house using Zip flashing on all the seams and nail holes. (Zip 2.0 method.) I have now gone through 60 tubes of flashing (at $30/ tube.) At $1,800, I would seriously consider the Cat 5 on the next one and I might even save money due to the fact that I wouldn't need to buy the Zip sheathing, just regular OSB. So I agree, this method has a cost to it; but I don't think it's the most expensive system out there.
@@wjthehomebuilder yeah I went through a lot of tubs too, mainly because my guys didn't follow my instructions and basically made 4-6 wide strips over the seams. I'm thinking on my next project using zip board and then prosoco where I put liquid flash. I was paying $40/tube on amazon, prosoco looked closer to $20/ tube. Prosoco rep said going over huber board was fine.
@@baltimoreace It says 400-525 sq ft per 5 gallon bucket.
@@believerscc I was getting them on Amazon too (direct from Huber) for $30/tube. Interesting! I also bought that neon green wide nozzle featured on one of Matt's videos a few weeks ago. That thing was a life saver indeed! Made application WAY easier! This was my first Zip 2.0 job, so I was personally out there applying the product, and it was a ton of work! As you mentioned, I was thinking about Prosoco for the seams too, but didn't want to mix and match since I started with Zip.
Should have started the test....
The vinyl windows are leaking cause they are sliders.
Tornadoes anywhere in the US??? Not so much. We're at 5600 feet in the Black Hills. There haven't been any tornadoes here in many decades. Even in Rapid City, which is significantly lower altitude, doesn't get many. The last significant one there was in 1967.
Sliding windows don't seal. German or not. Even the cheapest casement pvc window is built like a fridge door.
Sean just does not like the camera...
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This may be nice for keeping winds out but it isn’t code approved in Miami-Dade County for Hurricanes. In a real hurricane you want to have the laminated glass so flying debris doesn’t shatter your window and let air rush in leading to the Roof being blown off. Nice that they are doing testing but it seems a little deceptive by how they name it as it really implies hurricane protection.
So what you're saying is Germans can build quality windows?
Cant compare a $100 window to a $1000 window.
@@elbuggoThe US window leakage was a safety feature, so it wouldn't blow-out (ha-ha)
@@elbuggo no way thats a $1000 window in germany. That things is 200-300 euros at the most
The "ON the Build Show!!!" outro is getting out of control.
So you like it?
Matt Risinger Love it, it’s jumped the shark and come back again, like mom jeans!
Nothing will protect your house if it gets hit by the neighbors house.
Bryan Knitter I don’t think my german house would care too much if it gets hit by a colonial shed style house... just more fire wood for the winter
Video might have been informative if not for the stupid humour.