The History of Boston’s Iconic Mattapan High-Speed Line | Making the Mattapan Line Episode 1

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  • @busandrail
    @busandrail 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    7:24 AUUUUUUUGH

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      gah snoring

    • @busandrail
      @busandrail 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BostonByRails omg

    • @pulsarstargrave256
      @pulsarstargrave256 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those dinosaurs need to go, mostly because they are HORRIBLE for handicap riders! Just replace the cars, please?

    • @randomtransitadventures
      @randomtransitadventures 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@pulsarstargrave256handicap lifts?

  • @owensweetland342
    @owensweetland342 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Beautiful "rigs"! Love the snow scenes in Episode 1.

  • @jambcom6519
    @jambcom6519 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Rode the Mattapan to Ashmont route many times on these “ oldies but goodies”!!

  • @willigordon8143
    @willigordon8143 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well done!

  • @jimmelchin1531
    @jimmelchin1531 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    New subscriber in Maine... originally from Dorchester. I thoroughly enjoyed this film. Brings back terrific memories. Thank You 👍

  • @nickleonardo5474
    @nickleonardo5474 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That was so cool. I been using that line for years until 2016

  • @coolezum
    @coolezum 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well done! From a former Jamaica Plains resident👍😂

  • @sandrasoares9262
    @sandrasoares9262 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think they need to get to work.
    Good luck with your job 👍
    Thankyou for your time today And have a wonderful day.
    Sandra S Boston mass. 💛

  • @ryans1010
    @ryans1010 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Just took a ride on one of these the other day. Was like taking a step back to a simpler time.

  • @clairemctavish6837
    @clairemctavish6837 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    I currently live in Mattapan for the past 50 years and rode the trolley into Boston for work for years. Love it. As a child I rode the trolley to Mattapan to get the bus to Houghtons Pond. At that time the trolleys were green and had windows you could open when it was hot and you could also change the seats from 2 to 4.

  • @joecollie9136
    @joecollie9136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    This was cool. Thanks for sharing. I’m from New Hampshire - but grew up in JP and rode the Green Line from Arborway down South Street and Center Street as a kid. That ended in 1985. This past spring, I took a trip down to Mattapan and rode the high speed line for the first time as a 43 year old. It definitely nurtured my inner child. Definitely do another video - and maybe talk to one of the operators. I’m sure it’s different for them than driving the modern trains of other lines. Well done!

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! Im glad you enjoyed it! And great idea, ill look into that

  • @Pauley_in_GP
    @Pauley_in_GP 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    It's been over 50 years since I've ridden the Mattapan-Ashmont line as a kid. I grew to love PCCs so much so that they are alive on my model railroad! I hope Boston keeps them going.
    Nice video - thanks for the memories.

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      What a cool story! Im glad you enjoyed!

  • @maadacoomber9090
    @maadacoomber9090 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Def so another episode

  • @theelectricwalrus
    @theelectricwalrus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love the Matapan trolley. I lived in Quincy for 3 years and often biked up the neponset trail along the Mattapan trolley line

  • @eugeneking1462
    @eugeneking1462 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the music on the soundtrack. How about sending the PCCs to be remanufactured like SFMTA and SEPTA did?

  • @digital_benadryl
    @digital_benadryl 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's funny you mention the 28 bus. If we ever get the Blue Hill Ave center-median BRT, then maybe they could throw down some rails and merge routes with the Mattapan Line.

  • @davidroache4699
    @davidroache4699 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    San francisco has the Cable Cars and Boston has the Pullman PCC's !

  • @jazrobean1
    @jazrobean1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I found one of your videos last night - - and this this morning.
    Retired senior old fart. You are making me want to ride the rails AGAIN from end to end, like I did when I FIRST came to Boston (by motor canoe from Mississippi) in 1980 for Tall Ships.
    Thanks - - you do excellent work.
    My OTHER favorite train-guy is called DISTANT SIGNALS - - he gives excellent, interesting, informative videos of trains mostly in Florida and S. Georgia.
    May GOD bless you and your family. Keep up the good work.

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much! Im so glad you enjoy my videos! I look up to distant signal alot, so im glad I can provide similar content! Happy 4th, and have a wonderful day!

  • @WorldwideRailfan
    @WorldwideRailfan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love that intro!

  • @oluhamilton2121
    @oluhamilton2121 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    From NYC.....Gonna take a trip up there just to ride it.

  • @JacksonBetz
    @JacksonBetz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Woah, 3087 is the oldest continuously operating PCC in the US? That's so cool!!! When I rode the Mattapan Line, I was lucky enough to get that car, and now I'm really glad I did! :) This video is really well done, by the way!!

    • @JacksonBetz
      @JacksonBetz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm delighted that the MBTA has decided to rebuild the PCCs :) And you should totally make a second episode - I'd love to see more about the history of the cars and the stops!

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yea! Its amazing!!

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you!! Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @donaldcarletonjr.9047
    @donaldcarletonjr.9047 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Keep the PCCs! They are certainly doing better than a lot of the system!

    • @NYCS19339
      @NYCS19339 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They outlasted the Boeing Vertol cars didn't they.

  • @RedArrow73
    @RedArrow73 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Boston's Red Arrow.

  • @js.3490
    @js.3490 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I first started riding these in the 1970's. I definitely do not want to see this slice of history end.

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wow so cool! They sure are special

    • @js.3490
      @js.3490 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BostonByRails Yes, these are one of a kind now. Once the MBTA stops using the PCC's, that's it. No more ever again. Something to think about,.

  • @GeneralLiuofBoston1911
    @GeneralLiuofBoston1911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:59
    Not much smooth sailing indeed especially with that nasty collision from awhile back. Riding into Mattapan, I saw the cut off rear of one of them just sitting alone at the edge of the yard.

  • @randomtransitadventures
    @randomtransitadventures 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Suggestion: make a 2 hour history documentary (also speedrunning the red line, end to end 💀)

  • @jasonervoes1326
    @jasonervoes1326 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video. I like streetcars and trolleys and trams. Are you going to make more videos like this? Do you see freight trains in these towns Mattapan and Ashmont? If yes Do the freight trains have cabooses? I like to see the cabooses.

  • @JayJay-lc5qq
    @JayJay-lc5qq 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    EXCELLENT!! I thought I knew the history but was not correct. So thank you. And also thank you for using music reminiscent of the great Foster Palmer. That added a lot to the documentary.
    Only criticism: No closed captioning.

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks!! Im glad you enjoyed it!

    • @jazrobean1
      @jazrobean1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      but - - when you DO have closed captioning - - it is EXCELLENT also

  • @zachhaase9863
    @zachhaase9863 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very well done. Well organized and thought out. You mention you would like to do a series on the Mattapan line; that sounds wonderful. I'll watch!

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks! And yes, it is currently in the works, probably released in 2 months

  • @interstellarphred
    @interstellarphred 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you have ever gone to a "T" public forum, It is quickly realized how much contempt their Argentine project manager has for light rail tramways.

  • @angryjournalist
    @angryjournalist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good job. Do part 2 !

  • @Tzvi092
    @Tzvi092 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I grew up ridi g the PCC cars on the Riverside line(before there were colors or letters!)
    My favorite actually was 3019, one of the few to try out the grey with yellow doors livery.
    3019 is currently living in retirement at the Seashore Tolley Museum in Maine

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Wow! Thats so awesome! I really wish I was able to enjoy PCC’s in their prime in boston

  • @mxr572
    @mxr572 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    PCCs in Toronto used to go fast. new Bombardier multiple cars go at at a snail's pace. progress?

  • @justinnoseworthy4683
    @justinnoseworthy4683 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm not sure if things have changed but the PCC rebuild is a temporary option. On the MBTA projects website they say they want to rebuild the Mattapan line to modern standards and use the type 9 LRVs once the supercars arrive. The cars are literally crumbling and the rebuild is just to get them to last for their final decade of service

  • @starsetanatomy4885
    @starsetanatomy4885 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You have earned the highest honor I can give. A like and a subscription.
    Your videos are very informative. I plan on applying for a job with the MBTA. Not as a bus or train car driver but as an associate or cleaning associate. I really like public transportation(despite its many flaws) and hope to use it more in the future.

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Im so glad you enjoyed! And thats super cool, you go!

  • @captainfordo3978
    @captainfordo3978 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Once the Green Line's fleet of type 7 & type 8 get replaced by the new Type 9 (which are already in service) & Type 10 (which are currently in the planning/design phase), my theory is that the Type 7 & Type 8 cars will be transferred to the Mattapan Line to increase it's fleet of old & unique trolleys, and extend their life span serving the MBTA. Though, the tracks themselves will have to be reinforced or replaced to accommodate the weight of the type 7 & type 8 since they were claimed to be heavier than the trolleys used for the Mattapan line.

    • @mbtaneoplandmaetb7067
      @mbtaneoplandmaetb7067 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The type 10s will replace the type 7s and type 8s. The type 9s were for fleet expansion for GLX. What will actually happen is that the Type 9s will transfer to Mattapan to replace the PCCs once the type 10s come.

    • @captainfordo3978
      @captainfordo3978 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So what ur saying is that the Type 7s & Type 8s are just FUCKED once the Type 10 enters service? No send-off ceremony? no donations to Trolley museums? Just retire & straight to the scrapyard? Just fan-FREAKING-tastic.

    • @mbtaneoplandmaetb7067
      @mbtaneoplandmaetb7067 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@captainfordo3978 Maybe they will be some Type 7s donated, I don't know about type 8s because they (in my perspective) are not as nostagic. Otherwise yes.

  • @ani2595
    @ani2595 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you think the line should extend to past Mattapan and into Roslindale?

  • @maadacoomber9090
    @maadacoomber9090 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @richharris9489
    @richharris9489 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I think its pretty cool they still use theses trolley 🚎

  • @enahsg
    @enahsg 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I grew up on those Trolleys. I lived right by Central Ave and any time I would go into Boston I would take the Trolley into Ashmont. I would honestly hate to see them go.

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Me too, they are very unique

  • @XLProductionsAJR2024
    @XLProductionsAJR2024 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    3:26 Saddest past in vid?!
    Sad to the accidents!?!
    I ride the Trolleys every 5 months!?

  • @transportation9256
    @transportation9256 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I know a perfect replacement

  • @bradfordtownley9363
    @bradfordtownley9363 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    San Francisco kept PCC's on their surface lines longer than many systems, too.

    • @NYCS19339
      @NYCS19339 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Still have a fleet on the Market Street line. I think one is painted as a tribute to Boston.

  • @bigbilly7865
    @bigbilly7865 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍👍👍👍

  • @tomperrone1846
    @tomperrone1846 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good Job! Learned a lot... it's the MBTA's best ride... please do the second video....

  • @Schlipperschlopper
    @Schlipperschlopper 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Front of the old US trams looked like the 1960s made German DUWAG trams in Dusseldorf and Cologne

  • @RailPreserver2K
    @RailPreserver2K 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    You know they could set 3087 aside as a Heritage car since it is the oldest continually operating one of its kind or they could at least donate it when it's retired, bear in mind these are just ideas but I hope someone sees them and takes them seriously

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That would be neat

    • @RailPreserver2K
      @RailPreserver2K 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BostonByRails it would make the most sense to hold onto 3087 or preserve it

  • @js.3490
    @js.3490 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So, are you going to make episode 2?

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So, at the moment, i have lots of other railroad related projects that are taking priority, but an episode 2 has definatly been on my mind, im just not sure what it would be about!

    • @js.3490
      @js.3490 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BostonByRails Ok, you mentioned at the end of part 1 that part 2 would be about the history of the stations on the trolley line. So, I thought that I would bring it up. Either way, I'm looking forward to it!

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea, thatll probably be it! I havent started it editing yet, but hopefully ill break ground soon!

  • @EpicThe112
    @EpicThe112 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wonder if MBTA can just do the SEPTA Philly Eagles Treatment on the PCC is by sending them to Brookville Corporation then rebuilding them to Modern Standards with AC units on the roof like a Type 8 Trolley seen on E Branch March 2022-September 2022 Union Square to Heath St via Northeastern University

  • @waltertomashefsky2682
    @waltertomashefsky2682 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The least they could do is paint them red. It’s the Red Line extension for heaven sake. What part of Red don’t they understand?

  • @TrippaMazing87
    @TrippaMazing87 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Type 9s with trolley poles would certainly be an interesting sight..

  • @rexracernj7696
    @rexracernj7696 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wonder why MBTA never decided to just extend the Red Line over this route. I LOVE the trolleys but that would save passengers from having to change.

  • @Trump985
    @Trump985 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rebuilding the PCC cars is the only good decision the MBTA has ever made. I’m horrified every time I see old reliable equipment replaced by new junk. I’m frankly shocked to hear this decision as it seems to actually make sense!

  • @Lucius_Chiaraviglio
    @Lucius_Chiaraviglio 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Supposedly (as reported at Boston Street Railway Association Current Events) the front end of PCC #3260 will be spliced onto the rear end of PCC #3262 (the other ends of each being wrecked beyond repair) to get one good car. Not sure what this is going to mean in terms of number of rebuild kits (supplied by Brookville Equipment Company).
    Another problem with using Type 9s to replace the PCCs is that the Type 9s are really unreliable, and might eat more maintenance cost than the PCCs.

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cool! I was at the BSRA meeting and I mustve been sidetracked because I didnt hear that point of information. Also, good point about the type 9’s!

  • @tonymento7460
    @tonymento7460 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    When the High Speed line open up in 1927 the cars were used for it was the Type - 4 cars then the Type - 4 cars with the Center Entrance trailer cars then the Type - 5 cars then in 1946 some of the All Electric PCC cars were used to replace some of the Type- 5 cars in 1959 the MTA rebuild the Dallas double end PCC cars and send them to the High Speed line to replace the All Electric PCC cars to be rebuild to mu cars for the Arborway line the Dallas cars were rebuild as single end cars in the 1980’s when the Boeing LRV cars started running between Northeast University the best of the Dallas cars were ship to the High Speed line to help out the other Dallas cars when the Arborway line shut down to be rebuild the MBTA send over the Picture Window PCC cars to replace the Dallas cars when I was working for the MBTA there were talks about send LRV # 3400 and # 3402 to be tested on the High Speed Line these were the only LRV ‘s with trolley poles on them the people from the Mattapan area did not wanted the Boeing LRV cars on the High Speed line so the MBTA voted to send the rebuild PCC cars to the High Speed line to replace the Picture Window cars that move did not happen until the first 50 Type - 7 LRV were tested on the Green Line now what you see is what you get the MBTA got a contract with Brookville Car Company for parts for the PCC cars on the High Speed line this is why the PCC cars have lasted so long now M of W cars for the M - Line there was 2 Type - 3 snow plows to keep the line clear of snow I remember that the MBTA lease a snow brush car from the Seashoe Trolley Museum it was an X - Eastern Mass Street Railway snow brush car which in the 1940’s it was sold to TTC of Canada the MBTA Blue Line work train # 0575 and # 0579 would be use on the High Speed line for rail work this work train had trolley poles on it when the SOAC train came to be tested on the Red Line it was delivered by PC RR on to a spur track that was connected to the M - Line from there the Type - 3 snow plow push it the the spur track that was connected at the Red Line where a four car of the # 01400 series towed it to the Harvard shops the PCC cars were towed by a four car train from Ashmont to the Harvard shops at night time when the Cabot shops were open the PCC cars were towed there to be work on

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      So cool! Thanks for the info!

  • @TheWolfHowling
    @TheWolfHowling 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    IMO, if the MBTA would have to strength the bridges & replace the electrification of the line for new LRVs anyway, I think it would make more sense to install a third rail and extend the Ashmont branch of the Red Line and make it a proper part of that branch. That way, riders wouldn’t have to transfer and would have a one-seat trip into downtown.

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Agreed, the problem is that the mattapan line crosses two roads, and it would cost a lot mroe coney to change the grade of either the road or tracks

    • @TheWolfHowling
      @TheWolfHowling 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@BostonByRails It might not be strictly necessary to eliminate these road crossings. IIRC, there are level crossings on parts of the Chicago 'L' so a Rapid Transit line can be run even if there are grade crossings as long as the trains get 100% priority over the road traffic. Just looking at GMaps, Capen St & Central Ave don't look like major throughfares so the MBTA could likely get away with using gates to create a temporary ROW across the roadway, using the trains length and momentum to bridge the gap in the third rail power

  • @mechanix2
    @mechanix2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm from Philadelphia, remember the PCCs REAL well, id say keep them, maybe augment them w/P9s...OR get new cars, just keep the rails & electrical the same, i see its welded rail, so it's all good there, as far as the electrical, would it be THAT much of a hassle to stay with the same specs as the PPCs???

  • @AttleboroDevils
    @AttleboroDevils 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    can to Mattapan trollys connect for service?

  • @transitcaptain
    @transitcaptain 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I want this line to be a modern light rail, with modern standards. The only problem with that is if they lose the relic of the PCC streetcars. (I get there are other problems) I hope that doesn’t make too many people unhappy. On the plus side though, it wouldn’t be converted to a bus

    • @BostonByRails
      @BostonByRails  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yea agreed

    • @ldfreitas9437
      @ldfreitas9437 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Then look into the Tig-M. They are made in LA. They are electric trolleys that run themselves, no need for overhead wires or a third rail. Santa Cruz County, California, demo-ed one last fall. A few thousand took it. Unlike this line, we have a single track, and plans are to have a rail and trail together, which is what the Mattapan line is, a rail and trail that is parallel to it. I took this trolley a few weeks back when I visited the Boston area. I loved it!

  • @Loggy2288
    @Loggy2288 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    the train

  • @cosmicredeemer3109
    @cosmicredeemer3109 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    These need to be overhauled using Kawasaki K-Cars (Double Ended from Upper Darby’s SEPTA Routes 101 and 102).

  • @GeneralLiuofBoston1911
    @GeneralLiuofBoston1911 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love the PCCs as much as any other train foamer, but the Mattapan Line should be upgraded to an LRT. It's not ADA friendly nor accessible and they are wicked old and as equipment ages, the ability to obtain spare parts gets harder and more costly. It may be better to retrofit the Mattapan carhouse to fit Type 7s and 8s as we expect the Type 10s. And what of the streetcars? This may sound a bit silly and stupid, but perhaps do the reverse of Option One to comvert the streetcars to use pantographs to match the Type 7s and 8s and be used for special weekend services rather than weekday services.

  • @transportation9256
    @transportation9256 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Start a contract with SEPTA used 12 Kawasaki LRVs

  • @jh9992
    @jh9992 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It was called the "Hi-Speed" line because it has less stops by a street car not being on the street.
    The MBTA should not get rid of these trolleys and invest money in ensuring proper maintenance is never missed or compromised. One of the reasons the current fleet has struggled with reliability is because the MBTA put down concrete ties on this line instead of wood ties which has resulted in numerous mechanic failures. The MBTA had known about this for over 20 years and has done very little to resolve this problem.
    More people need to address this issue to the MBTA to fix this problem as soon as possible.