I think one of the most frustrating shortcomings of the MBTA is the difficulty traveling north/south along the areas served by the red, green, and orange liens. Travelling between Dorchester, Roxbury, Jamaica Plain, Brookline and Allston is a nightmare of transfers between slow bus lines. It takes an hour to travel 3 miles from Jamaica Plain to Brookline. An subway or light rail with an orbital route between dorchester and allston is the dream!
The green line used to extend down to Forrest Hills via the Jamaica Way from Heath Street. In the 80s, the line was closed due to "cost cutting moves" with promises of restoring the line at some point. When the people brought this up, the T balked, and the bus-centric T management with the help of NIMBYs got the restoration of the line nixed. I remember taking the line to Forrest Hills and also taking the Boston Elevated (aka orange line) as a kid. I don't remember the trip taking that long. The other NIMBY kill off was the Watertown branch. That service cut too started as a cost-cutting move and as is typical was never to return once the bus-centric management nixed that also with the help of NIMBYs who didn't like the noise of the trolleys. Getting back to the orange line. That line once elevated right through to Forrest Hills served many of the neighborhoods that are now served by buses. The line took up many passengers which otherwise now clog other lines including the newly located, well 35-plus years ago now, orange line. By doing that, the T deprived the people who used the system the most an easy ride into the city.
Yep the Yellow line orbital he suggested is too far in, it needs to go JFK, Ruggles, Kenmore, Gilman, Sullivan, then into logan but around the terminals instead of his people mover.
I went to Boston for my senior trip in summer 2022 and convinced my parents we didn’t need a rental car and took the metro everywhere (blue almost every day, it was our favorite) and my parents agreed it was much nicer than driving. May not be perfect but by US standards it was so nice
If the Pink Line has its own station near Fenway Park that would make getting in and out of Fenway so much easier. Kenmore Station is so hot and crowded after Sox games. I’d also suggest extending the Newburyport line to Salisbury and even Portsmouth, NH. If you rebuild the rail bridge over the Merrimack River, Portsmouth can also have Amtrak service.
I am indeed assuming the Pink Line would provide a better station location for access to Fenway Park. It wasn’t clear to me how intact the line from Newburyport to Portsmouth is or how plausible reactivating that would be. I have a branch off of the Downeaster corridor that hits Portsmouth, but maybe a Newburyport Line extension would be more worthwhile?
@@thehouseoftransit2719 restoring the old line is unfortunately not an option, I live one town over and the former railway is now a gorgeous public trail. And with that now a trail unless you want to make a sharp turn extending the line directly from Newburyport‘s station isn’t an option unless you like tunnels bc it would go directly through downtown. Which is a shame because it makes the most sense in terms of ridership
Newburyport bought the rail line ROW and would never give it up. The cost to rebuild the bridge over the Merrimack and staffing it as a drawbridge would be a multi billion dollar cost.
There’s literally no chance of extending the line to Salisbury north. People are far more likely to drive that short distance, or even better, bike, from Salisbury to the train station. The Clipper City Rail Trail is one of the nicest, most scenic, and most popular rail trails in the state. And, at least for Newburyport residents, is already the needed Last Mile to the station. Forget going even further to Portsmouth along that line.
The most important project in Boston by FAR would the North-south rail link (which was originally part of the big-dig, but was cancelled) It would extend the NEC north of Boston and would finally unite the commuter rail System
IMO, that's a worse effort to improvement than the green line. Just deleting half the green line stops and putting in 20th century signalling would pretty easily double the speed. with no new track
I live in the South End and was always annoyed at how the closest rapud transit stop was a 15-minute walk away, so I am absolutely ecstatic about your ideas for the Blue and Yellow Lines (and to turn the Silver Line into a tram)
This is good to hear! It definitely feels like the South End is a very large gap in the rapid transit network, especially considering how close it is to downtown and how dense it is
@@thehouseoftransit2719 Absolutely! There is this massive gap between the Orange and Red Lines where there is just about nothing in regards to rapid transit, and it annoys the crap out of me. Hell, at least Dorchester and Roxbury get semi-frequent bus service, but the South End is left with only infrequent (>30min headways) bus service save for the Silver Line. I think it would be cool if the new Silver Line tram was extended south past Nubian. I have three ideas with varying levels of ambition: 1. Extend along the current 23 bus route (Warren Street), terminating at Four Corners/Geneva station on the extended Blue Line 2. Entirely replace the current 23 bus route and extend all the way to Ashmont (Warren Street, then Washington Street after the Blue Line interchange, then terminate at Ashmont) 3. Replace the 28 bus route and carry down Blue Hill Ave instead of Washington Street, terminating at Mattapan I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. I think that the extension to Ashmont makes the most sense, but I see benefits in all three options
@@janAlekantuwa I'm not nearly as familiar with the 23 although I know route 28 currently serves a very important role. I think with improved service down the Fairmount Line corridor, the 28 becomes a bit less of a key route (still important, but maybe fine with a frequent rapid bus/BRT style service). I really like the idea of extending the SL Tram along the 23 since that creates new crosstown capacity and serves a currently unserved and dense part of the city down Warren, and while the streets south of there look somewhat narrow in places I'm sure there would be ways to squeeze in a tram all the way to Ashmont if the political will is there. All your ideas have a lot of merit!
@@janAlekantuwa I live between Blue Hill and Warren. I can walk to Nubian in about 12 minutes, orange line at Ruggles in about 25. Nubian is a very busy bus hub and if it could be incorporated into a more rapid-transit system I'd be thrilled. I will say that Blue Hill is probably too narrow for a double-track line unless it ran in the same lanes as car traffic, but I think Warren is wide enough to support a street car with dedicated lanes.
You should absolutely extend the red line to Arlington Heights! I live in Brookline (Brookline Hills stop on the D branch). When I go to visit my friend who lives in Arlington Heights, it takes 2-2.5 hours each way. I have the option of taking the T to Park Street and then switching to the red line, or taking the 66 bus to Harvard Square and then switching to the 77. I make my decision based on the day of the week and time of day that I’m going (people from Boston know what I mean!). The area from Porter Square to Arlington Heights would be SO much more walkable if it could get some help from better public transit!
They should connect all the commuter lines with a ring route. So if I'm in Salem, north of Boston, I can get to any other commuter line without going into Boston
The best way to fix the MBTA are non-radial routes. These are routes that connect to different lines outside of the city center. This is to increase travel options, while reducing travel times across the system.
As a Boston native this gave me a whole new perspective and shed a whole new light on what I have grown up on accepting as a dysfunctional metro system. A majority of the ideas you have for expansion and cross-utilization are perfectly logical and if executed correctly (financially and physically) will break down congestion exponentially. MBTA is a disgrace, and I say that as somebody who has been riding damn near my whole life. I’m disheartened at the fact that I’m ashamed of the historic metro system in my city, and a vast majority (if not all) of its problems stem from politicians (big surprise)
The issue/problem with your thinking is the "my whole life" part. You don't have a good feeling of just how much better Boston mass transit is to other American cities. Try Miami for instance, a place I am used to; the difference is like gigantic (with Boston a thousand times better mass transit wise). And Miami is ranked the 8th best mass transit in the country (Boston mass transit usually ranked 2nd or 3rd behind only NYC and sometimes San Francisco). The difference between 2nd and 8th is huge! My bet is that if you moved to anywhere not named NYC, you would experience an "absence makes the heart grow fonder" feeling regarding Boston mass transit.
I'm a little surprised that you didn't have a northern extension for the Orange Line. When it was originally being planned in the late 60s / early 70s, it was supposed to terminate at Reading. Unfortunately the NIMBYs got their way, and the line only went as far as the current station at Oak Grove. I wonder how people in Reading, Wakefield, and Melrose would feel about a rapid transit connection today?
My interpretation was that that extension assumed the commuter rail couldn’t be improved. Today it seems commuter rail improvements would be just as effective as (and much cheaper than) an orange line extension
NIMBYs also affected the Red Line which is why it does not go through Arlington and extend to Lexington. The demographics of Arlington has changed so that MIGHT be possible today.
I live in Malden, and I know that there was once a tram system here and in Everett that connected to Boston. It appears that the proposed expansion in this video revives some of the old tram lines (such as what is now the 109 bus on Broadway/Route 99) as BRT. That would certainly provide more frequent service around my neighborhood.
Really appreciate any all pushes to sensible improvements to the transit system. Especially inner city train enhancements. One thing that is missing for me that i believe still proves difficult is a train system of some sort to get from the Brookline/Allston/Brighton side of the charles up the western part of cambridge/watertown area. There are tons of busses that can eventually get there but notably all transit even on the much improved map prefers to flow inward and could be a useful add.
As a European accustomed to efficient interconnected transit systems, I'm absolutely *astounded* that the two principal railway stations in one of the United States' largest cities are COMPLETELY UNLINKED. It's unbelieivable! Looking at the map, the Red and Green lines of the MBTA are linked North to South between Boston, so why isn't the commuter rail system similarly connected!? If you want to travel between Quincy and Cambridge you can red the Red Line all the way, but if you want to travel from Quincy to the North End/waterfront to see all the historic sights of Boston, you have to exit South Station and either bus or walk a MILE into town!
Yes, it’s absurd that the connection hasn’t been made given how beneficial it would be. Even Philadelphia took a lesson from the Germans and built a center city tunnel connecting its terminals. Hopefully the MBTA will pursue development of the North-South Rail Link once it gets its act together.
The Red, Green, Orange, and Blue lines interconnect (2 lines each station) at Park Street, Government Center, Haymarket, North Station, Downtown Crossing, and State. Thus, you can get to the North End and the Waterfront from Quincy by switching lines once or twice without leaving the system.
The MBTA is little more than a sick joke. Most especially the Green Line. Even cities much smaller than Boston have figured out how to use light-rail in an effective manner. Take a look at Baltimore, for example. Baltimore has one heavy metro line and 3 light-rail lines. On its light rail lines, the following all apply: 1) Trains run in 1-car, 2-car, or 3-car consists - depending on time of day and expected ridership (e.g., when a professional baseball game or football game approaches its end). If it ever gets permission to use the underground tunnel that runs from Camden Yards to North Street (currently used for freight rail), it could even run 4-car trains at peak times - each train being 380 feet long (longer than a 5-car train on the MBTA's Red Line). 2) Each train has only a SINGLE operator (the train driver), who controls the opening and closing of all doors in the entire consist 3) All doors open at all station stops 4) Fare payment is by "proof of payment" method 5) When a light-rail train approaches a road intersection on the surface, it electronically seizes the intersection, automobiles and trucks are halted by red traffic signals in all directions, crossing gates descend and block all roads that cross the light-rail right-of-way, and the light-rail train speeds through the intersection without slowing The same holds for many other light-rail systems in the United States (e.g., San Diego). The MBTA needs to learn from other cities. But I doubt that it will. It never has.
I agree with most of this, but I'm not so sure about the rerouting of the Worcester and Fitchburg lines, particularly the use of that bridge over the river. That section of track is not designed for high frequency use, only being used to transfer equipment between North and South Stations. It is single tracked and has little to no room for adding an additional line without demolishing some buildings, though with some clever scheduling you could possibly make it work since those lines are not particularly busy. In my opinion though, it just isn't the right place to send the two lines serving the two major centers of Worcester County. The Gardner extension I do agree with and apparently did exist at one point (Gardner, like many factory cities in the area, isn't the city it once was). In the last decade, the Fitchburg line was extended in that direction (all be it just a couple miles) to a station to serve a popular ski area and runs special "ski trains" in the winter which have a couple cars refitted to better carry skis. That said, I think I speak for everyone in Central Mass when I say we need a route between Worcester, Fitchburg, and Lowell. I-190, to Rt-2 to I-495 or any combination of the three is not a fun drive and, especially on Rt-2 and 495, prone to traffic. Tracks between Worcester and Fitchburg lines do exist, though only used by CSX and, until recently, Pan-am. They would need some upgrades though and I believe the route actually ends in Ayre a few miles East of Fitchburg) where there is a small intermodal terminal so it may not be perfect, but even Ayre and the surrounding towns are not an insignificant population and many frequently commute to Lowell or Worcester.
One unfortunate thing about the orange line is that it used to be planned to go up to reading depot, but Melrose , the city not 3 blocks north of the current terminus in Malden, blocked the expansion.
I haven't been to Boston in a while but: The Fitchburg Line. Making it a Green Line branch seems worthy of consideration. The interchange between light rail and regional rail would seem to be at Stony Brook, just at I-95/Route 128. Getting a new route down to the Providence line seems okay, except you might have to take some private property just west of Auburndale to get the proper curve in. I'm not an engineer, so I leave that question open.
I currently use the Kingston Commuter rail in order to travel to and from Park Street in order to go to my college classes. The Commuter rail in it of itself isn’t bad, just needs to be 1) faster, 2) more frequent, 3) allow two trains to run on the same track at once-if a commuter rail train is running opposite from an oncoming train, it must stop and wait for the other to pass. Plus, the Red Line connection is a NIGHTMARE. It doesn’t come frequently even on weekdays and one might wait 15+ minutes to be able to get on a train to or from South Station. It’s also often late or having problems; I often joke and say that “even the trains have traffic” but it’s starting to get less funny. I used to live on the Cape before it got too expensive, and I would have LOVED a rail going down there in whatever form. Public transport down there is foul and the traffic of the Bridges and the traffic going into Boston is even worse. So many people would use it if it were viable.
Hmm yeah sounds like the MBTA should invest in more commuter rail tracks if there aren’t enough places for trains to pass. And the Red line is SUPPOSED to have each branch every ten minutes all day but evidently that isn’t working out as well as it should… As for Cape Cod, definitely agree! The biking trails are a really pleasant way to get around once you’re there but there needs to be an easier way of getting to them in the first place.
"The Blue Line would be extended to Lynn-- " YES! I believe you could have said more (or anything) about the buses beyond frequency. Please do GATRA next.
Noted, I’m not familiar enough about the bus system to really give specific critiques, but of course generally all-door boarding, transit signal priority, offboard fare payment, and bus lanes are very beneficial to riders.
"The blue Line would be extended to Lynn" - never!! That plan has been on the books for over 70 years; they have a right of way all ready; but it will never happen. I grew up in Lynn and took the Blue Line to school and work for 15 years. They can’t even run the Blue Line trains faster than 10 mph now due to poor infrastructure.
Blue line to Lynn used to be easy to do but some large apartment buildings built their driveways across the Right of Way and people have started to extend their backyards fences back into the right of way of the Blue Line so it is getting lost over time.
Thank you so much for connecting Ruggles and Ashmont with something faster than a bus. Bus route 23 is so busy, I regualry see two packed buses following each other. It regularly takes me more than an hour to go from Ruggles just to the middle of Dorchester.
There are a couple of things that are impossible within your current plan due to the already planned expansions. First off loading gauge is not taken into account through Newton and the MBTA is already upgrading the stations through Newton as of next month to fit the commuter rail loading gauge. They also plan to add platforms to both sides. The people mover was cancelled and the ferry terminal was also neglected in that plan which is a bit of a shame. Lastly in your plan South Boston, Waltham, Brighton, Allston and a few other neighbors were completely neglected. There are some interesting ideas in here but I'm not sure the bang for the buck is there. The E branch right of way I had never thought about but it's remarkable that they haven't separated it out yet from traffic.
Ah that’s interesting to know about the loading gauges. I do think worst case scenario the stations could be rebuilt to have low platforms to fit lrt, though obviously that feels silly when they’ve just been upgraded to high platforms. I also think that in places where the GL replaces commuter rail, it could be a slightly more cost-effective alternative to building new high platforms, while serving areas like Waltham with better service. You’re right that I didn’t quite consider Allston and Brighton. They seemed close to existing rail services but I suppose are dense enough to warrant their own routes (though I believe one of the BRT routes in the map accomplishes this). As for the peoplemover, unfortunate that it got canned but I suspect it would still be a worthy investment at some point. Thanks for sharing your feedback!
Why not connect the E Branch into the new Auburndale-Revere Pink Line since the tracks would cross anyway? It would further relieve congestion on the Green Line central subway.
I find this very cool because I just moved to the Boston area and I lived on each one of these lines even though I have only been here for about 3 years I came from New York City the train system there is very fluid it's very nice the one over here is more chaotic I like your expansions and your tweaks to the train system it is very cool
If I were the T I would make elevated tracks on E line on Huntington Avenue all the way to Heath Street. Then do the Same thing with the B line on Commonwealth Avenue. That speeds the trains up, prevents accidents, reduces traffic, and creates jobs.
Another thing to note about the red line is that the planned route going through Arlington is right on top of the cities bike path and I doubt the residents would allow for it to be replaced
Yeah, I do think that the trail could continue to exist beneath an elevated Red Line extension. This sort of thing exists in Australia and doesn’t have to be unsightly.
There should be enough room in the right of way to have both, I imagine. There’s a few places that actually do have railtrails running next to an active line.
Neat effort! I think a greater focus on currently underserved areas would be helpful (if we're going to build a new orbital route we would probably want to hit Nubian Square and Longwood, for example, and some more suburban extensions to the few communities that are committed to infill development would be nice). And some pretty dense core communities (Everett, Chelsea, Revere, Quincy, Lynn) get a bit overlooked in this. Worth tinkering with, maybe some of the bus network redesign thoughts would be helpful for you in continuing to refine!
Thanks for the feedback! There are definitely still areas worth expanding to, though I don’t have the data to support whether an expensive subway to Everett, for example, is easily justifiable. I’m always open to tweaking things as I learn more!
I just wish there was more transit options in woburn. Adding that south station commuter rail connection would really help me get the places i need to go.
I hope there's one of Denver. I live (well, now that I'm in college, live'd there) and I honestly would like to know what thoughts you could have on improving the system. (I honestly have thought that there should be a commuter rail line from the airport to 124th Street via the old rock Island line with upgrades on the part of track that still exists for freight service)
Denver is a very interesting city/region to examine, since there are a lot of opportunities for improvement in spite of the expansive rail system. It might just have to be the topic of an upcoming episode! I’m unfamiliar with the Rock Island Line, but are you suggesting a direct service on the N and D lines not traveling through Union? That might make sense if there’s a lot of demand, but I imagine orbital express buses would also do the trick, such as a route starting at Eastlake/124th then running along 128th to 470 and following the freeway to the airport
Connecting the end of the Riverside line to the commuter rail line seems like a no-brainer. People could go outbound in the morning to jump over to the CR for a quick ride to Back Bay and South Station, which should lighten the inbound passenger traffic on the Green Line. This set up was used on a temporary basis in the 1990s when the green line tunnels were flooded out. Commuter Rail trains were switched into Riverside Station.
@@thehouseoftransit2719 The switch between the commuter rail and the Green line still exists. Both lines were owned by the Boston & Albany Railroad. The commuter line runs on the B&A's mainline out of Boston, and the D line runs on the B&A's Circuit line. The other end of the line would connect back with the mainline where Lansdowne station near Fenway Park is now.
An extension to Gardner for the Fitchburg line is unlikely as it already almost happened but it was concluded not to be feasible because the hills of Mount Wachusett would make the train run slower than the Route 2 express way
By that logic most long distance Amtrak trains should be discontinued then and replaced by high speed rail corridors and in hilly areas maglev high speed rail something even china was afraid to try.
On the commuter rail side of things, I think it would make sense to wrest back some passenger service from the freight companies that run on what used to be the Providence-Worcester Railroad and create a Providence-Worcester service and make a nice triangle between the metro areas instead of having the death trap that is 146 be consistently clogged and under repair.
I live in Somerville near the orange line and since I live near a slow zone and they're still in place I leave super early for work because of that and I'm still somehow late it's ridiculous. Like the system will never be good. Like yeah it's also nice that they're extending the green line to Medford but there are more important issues to fix with the transit system than that. Does anyone know when the slow zones are going to go away for the orange line
Thanks! San Diego’s an interesting one, in my opinion the Trolley is already a quite good regional system and with one or two urban metro lines (namely El Cajon) they’d have just about all the rail rapid transit they need.
Well done! There are some good suggestions in the Comments that you might consider, but on the whole you've tried to make a unified system out of the present chaos. A unified fare system would help, and electrification of the commuter rail lines would prepare us for the future.
An extension I've always thought would be worth having: Take the Lowell commuter rail branch, and extend it north into New Hampshire, where it can follow existing tracks to stop at 3 of the largest communities in that state, Nashua, Manchester, and Concord. Conveniently, the rail stations could be added to the existing bus stations that sit right near the tracks in both Manchester and Concord. Given that there's a lot of car and bus traffic between those places, I suspect the line would be quite busy.
Fully agree! This is actually included in the regional rail map I show at 11:11, though I depicted it as a new service rather than an extension of the existing Lowell Line. The rail-adjacent bus stations are certainly a plus as well.
Hey! Loved the video, but I was curious, often when talking about the expansion of the Orange line, there is some discussion on northward expansion. Was there a reason you didn't consider expanding the line north through the existing Wyoming Hill, Cedar Park, and Melrose Highlands stations as well as Greenwood and Wakefield stations in the densely populated northern suburbs of Melrose and Wakefield respectively? Currently, they are served by the Haverhill regional line. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Thanks! I've heard a few other people mention such an extension of the OL, and it might be a worthwhile expansion. I personally did not include it because the extension would entirely parallel the Haverhill Line, serving the same stops, and it seems it would be much cheaper and easier to ramp up frequencies and lower fares on that commuter rail line instead.
I've been saying that green line needs to be extended to waltham a good while now. It's more dense than newton and has a lot more people that would benefit from more frequent cheaper stops
They should link the commuter rails greenbush line with the Kingston/Plymouth line and also they should use the existing rail trail to get service back to woods hole on the cape
I like how many of your ideas resemble former rail and trolley lines that existed in the past. There has been a local movement to restore the E branch of the green line to Arborway near Forest Hills. Maybe have it be elevated? The former tracks to Arborway continued on the street past Heath, and it closed in 1985. We also could expand the orange line to Reading, replacing the Haverhill commuter rail. (Haverhill line could extend run on the Lowell line until Wilmington) There were plans back in the 70s to extend the orange line north of Oak Grove. We could extend the Blue Line north of Lynn to Marblehead and Salem. Definitely Salem, given the historical attractions. I don't think it needs to be expanded to the south, other than a connection to the red line. The Fairmont line could be a third branch of the red line. All that would be needed to be done would be a connector tunnel between Broadway and the line. The idea of making the silver line a light rail is so cool! It could run from Chelsea on the already designated busway, and then run to the airport (perhaps a branch going to each terminal), South Station, and Nubian. Then it could run in a tunnel and later a median on Blue Hill ave (that would solve congestion in the area). Then it would replace the Mattapan line and end at Ashmont. I will say it will be sad seeing the PCCs go.
The mattapan line is such a weird little throwback, with its wartime PCC streetcars running on a regular rapid transit line. I’m pretty sure that they actually have to rely on places like the Seashore Trolley Museum in Maine, and even cannibalizing one or two of their own stock that were damaged beyond repair in an accident, in order to keep these things running.
It’s definitely a cool line, though leaving ancient cars in service exclusively in a historically Black area of the region is a little problematic. Will be good to have them replaced (though hopefully the cars will be preserved somewhere)!
I'm pretty sure the biggest reason they are still in service is because the bridges and overpasses weren't built to accommodate the heavier and taller modern equipment. My guess is that at least a few will end up at Seashore when they are finally retired.
Although, now that I think about it, I do think Boston could benefit from a real legacy streetcar line. (Rather than just one kept out of necessity.) Perhaps in South or East Boston? Both are areas that don't really have great public transit options, and have a relative lack of old railroad RoWs that the existing system can extend into, so a legacy streetcar line (along with dedicated signaling), might make sense.
Good video. The only knock on the plan is that it leaves the Longwood Medical Area, a large job and service center, still poorly served by rapid transit.
Thanks! That’s a fair point, the Longwood Medical Area is huge and the E (and D to an extent) might not serve it well enough. It didn’t seem like there was an immediately obvious way to better-serve the area without a whole new expensive rapid transit line, but maybe there could be a short tunneled spur line (say off of the Orange Line) to give it a higher-capacity connection.
Fascinating. But it completely ignores the debt overhang at the MBTA that basically precludes it from taking on *any* of these projects. There is a massive overhang of debt for various transit capital investments that had to be made when the Big Dig was done. These were indeed transit projects - but all necessitated by the car traffic improvements. Until the MBTA can figure out how to handle that $5B of debt, and $125M of debt service annually, nothing like this is remotely concievable.
Here are ideas not mentioned in this video that I support: -Extending the Orange Line southwest to Dedham via West Roxbury and North to Reading, diverting existing Haverhill Line trains onto the Lowell line via Wildcat branch -Extending the Red Line west to Waltham and Arlington Heights, with the Ashmont branch going to Lexington and the Braintree branch going to Waltham using the existing commuter rail tracks (diverting Fitchburg Line trains onto the Worcester Line). Both branches would terminate at 128/I-95. -Build a Neponset T station, serving as an infill station on the Red Line and a terminus of the Green Line E Branch extension via Forest Hills, Morton Street, and Ashmont.
I think at a minimum the MBTA system definitely does NEED an orbital route, the yellow line in your plans. But IMO the second of importance is a Fitchburg-Worcester (pronounced 'wor-ster' or 'wistah') link along rt190, as well as the North-South Stations link, because currently that's a Red-Orange/Green transfer rather than a direct route. Also, as long as the airport still gets free access to the subway system, almost anything would be an improvement over the silver line. (even though I take advantage of that free ride only once in a blue moon)
I like it. I live a bit north of the orange line, so one thing I'd like to see is the orange line extended to Wyoming Hill. Then Wyoming Hill (and now Oak Grove, smh) could be removed from the Haverhill commuter rail line speening up service on that line.
Nice proposals, don't forget to include Amtrak as they use the same commuter lines. I'm not sure if a rail connection between South and North station would work because of the costs and razings, but rather a light-rail or subway shuttle connection connecting the two. I'd also love to see more frequent services to/from Cape Cod. Also what's the music you used around 1:16?
I didn’t dive too deeply into intercity connections, but yes I’d love to see Amtrak and the CapeFlyer services improved too. The song is called “Fig Leaf Times Two” by Kevin MacLeod.
There is already a subway connection between the two stations, you just have to go from the Red Line to either the Green or Orange lines. the lines are all in-system, though of course there is the chance you have to wait for the line your connecting to, to arrive. but a direct connection between the two definitely would be nice.
Born and raised in Boston in 1977. Left 24 years ago. The T in its CURRENT version is better than anything they have here in Houston. I have a car here and live in the north suburbs of Houston,but this city is in desperate need of a mass transit upgrade.
the lynn blue line extension is exactly what we need in this day and age!! it's sad that they made the terminus at wonderland, it could really be made of use if they extended it :) great video, i very much approve
As someone who grew up in Needham, I can tell you that Hersey gets the most riders because it has by far the most park-and-ride capacity. People don't really walk to Needham T stations on account of the low density, so that capacity makes a big difference.
Wouldn't it be possible to have the light rail extension through Needham and the orange line both end at Needham Junction? With that housing law passed and since this is all a hypothetical anyways, shouldn't we assume Needham could be developed more around these stations too?
I love it, why not expand the blue line to Salem? Every October the city triples in it's size and closes all traffic to outsiders because of how busy it gets.
Thanks! Improving service on the Newburyport/Rockport line would be just as effective and much easier to implement (while also allowing for faster trips into Boston). A Blue Line extension would be nice, but it would be very costly relative to the benefit it could provide.
Funny coming across this video, I'm actually from Arlington. Not sure if you knew but back in the 70s there was a proposal to extend the Redline to Arlington instead of having it end at Alewife. I wasn't alive yet but apparently the town was very against the idea of it (growing up I heard older people complain about the proposal when mentioned) and as a result never got the extension. I reckon times have changed and people would love to have it extended though but I'd be curious to see if history would repeat itself.
@@thehouseoftransit2719 Arlington has a reputation of being a very "townie" place, lots of families have lived there for generations and they aren't too friendly about non townie families moving in. From what I understand, Arlington wanted to remain a small suburban enclave rather than be integrated more into the Greater Boston Area. Apparently when my parents bought their house in the 90s, they were not well received by the neighbors since they were not originally from the town! Arlington has changed a lot even since I was a kid, lots of new housing and apartment complexes and more young people working in Boston choosing to live in it. I would think that if proposed again it would pass but I honestly couldn't say.
@@camt8990 Ah this makes sense. The town seems pretty built-up by now with decent density, so yes hopefully the community would be more receptive to a Red Line extension.
@@thehouseoftransit2719 Community opposition to projects can be very hard to predict, and the reasons given may not always seem to make sense. A small vocal minority can make a difficult opponent. There were a couple of such towns in New Jersey, but it turned out that NJ Transit never got the funding in place to build what was proposed.
Great vid and analysis. Yes, straighten the Boylston curve. I never have my earplugs - so just resort to using my fingers. Can you submit this video and your resume to the MBTA HR people?
@@thehouseoftransit2719 oh wow! I used it too! I had a feeling that you used it too but I thought it might been a different application b/c of all the T symbols, but that must’ve just been a feature I hadn’t figured out yet.
@@The4905 oh nice! Yeah if you add a new point you can click on it, select “more icons”, and then at the bottom left if you click “custom icon” you can select either your own photos or images from google.
The Watertown Branch: it's the Watertown-Cambridge Greenway now. People in Northeastern cities tend to be touchy about giving those back to rail, as seen in Arlington and also New Jersey, New York, and Maryland. (Even if the tracks are still there opposition crops up.) Also, it seems to end at School Street, requiring - street running on Arsenal Street? That may not be beloved either. See Hoboken, NJ, for an example.
Rather than having the orbital make two stops at Massachusetts Avenue and Symphony, I would support a single stop in between them and connected to both, which would turn the expanded Symphony station complex into a useful transfer point outside of downtown Boston.
My biggest wish as a resident is to connect cambridge - somerville - medford with a light rail or something similar. Currently, to get from where I live on the red line over to the orange line stops around assembly square, I’d have to go into downtown boston, adding unnecessary travel. The yellow line kind of addresses this but skips into cambridge for so short a distance and in an area that is almost entirely mit campus that i don’t see it being highly useful to most residents. Feels akin to the G line in NYC - something to connect the outer boroughs without going downtown. Is there possibility for a brookline -> cambridge -> somerville -> medford line?
Hmm, yeah seems like there’s a lot of value in a line accomplishing that. Fitting in a tram on those narrow streets might be challenging, but maybe there could be a route running from around Coolidge Corner up Harvard Avenue to Allston, then running through the Harvard campus and paralleling the Red Line down Massachusetts Ave (but with more stops) to Porter Square. Getting from there to Medford (more or less what the winding route 96 does) would be difficult without significant tunneling but if the demand is there it might be worthwhile.
Well, unlike freeway expansions like the big dig, transit projects have meaningful impacts on reducing traffic and greenhouse gases. Unfortunately I don’t have an estimate for how much this probably-over-the-top plan might cost.
I think a more practical orbital rail line would be a RT 128 parallel route (Yankee Division Highway really) that goes from Quincy all the way to Salem. I mean also this would be a huge investment so it is unlikely to happen but at the very least the 128 corridor should be connected by bus services. It's not only a largely built up corridor that has terrible accessibility to people who can't drive but it is also always congested.
I’d say expand the Orange Line south along the Providence line towards Walpole & Foxborough, which would help with traffic at Gillette for game days & expand it to providence after
@@thehouseoftransit2719I’ve taken the train from Boston to Gillette & back & the 5 ish mile stretch between Walpole station & the stadium at Gillette needs some massive updates because the trains have to go really slow. Takes like 30 mins to make that stretch
Green line should be extended to ANDERSON WOBURN using the freight line.....with Green line , commuter rail connections added at Wdegemere, West Medford, Winchester, Mishawum could be reopened as a parking lot for commuters and a green line station. - and ending at Anderson Woburn with a connection to the commuter rail with the big park and ride lot there. Perhaps more EVehicle charging statyions could be added or a designated Evehicle charging lot for both teslas and non teslas at Anderson Wobrun as well.
I think it should extend the red line a little further to Lexington than Arlington heights and maybe even Burlington mall would be amazing and replace the mattapan trolley line with the red line With only Milton and mattapan stations.
I like it! I'd say though that the heart of Cambridge being served by just the single red line isnt enough, I think there should be a line perpendicular to the current red line that runs up like Brookline street and cuts through the port and kendall square toward Lechmere or something. also a ringline is badly needed, I don't like taking the bus, and to get to cambridge on the west end of the green line youve got to take it all the way downtown first then transfer, it would be easier to transfer and ride something straight up into cambridge on a ring line. Youve put yours at Hynes, which is fine but I'd personally put a ring line going through Kenmore since its already a Green Line transportation and bus hub. Although Hynes is a station that is in bad need of updating and looks like it hasnt been touched in 100 years so I'd imagine adding connections there would help do that.
They were planning on extending the commuter rail braintree and Providence line to Southern Massachusetts. The project is being dragged due to Nimbys in those communities.
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The biggest most expensive thing that needs to be done is the link between north and south station not just for the MBTA but also Amtrak as well
I think any link between north and south station should extend past south station down Summer and L street
Wasn't there a street running connection years ago?
@@thanbo there Was elevated track along Atlantic Avenue but those came down in 1938. Boston elevated railway (forefather of the orange line) rannot
And electrification of the commuter rail
@@TrippaMazing87 yes the whole system should have a wire strung up that and the north south rail link and then the MBTA starts looking like SEPTA
I think one of the most frustrating shortcomings of the MBTA is the difficulty traveling north/south along the areas served by the red, green, and orange liens. Travelling between Dorchester, Roxbury, Jamaica Plain, Brookline and Allston is a nightmare of transfers between slow bus lines. It takes an hour to travel 3 miles from Jamaica Plain to Brookline. An subway or light rail with an orbital route between dorchester and allston is the dream!
yeah on some level a 30m walk along the Emerald Necklace is the best option, but is hardly acessible
The green line used to extend down to Forrest Hills via the Jamaica Way from Heath Street. In the 80s, the line was closed due to "cost cutting moves" with promises of restoring the line at some point. When the people brought this up, the T balked, and the bus-centric T management with the help of NIMBYs got the restoration of the line nixed. I remember taking the line to Forrest Hills and also taking the Boston Elevated (aka orange line) as a kid. I don't remember the trip taking that long.
The other NIMBY kill off was the Watertown branch. That service cut too started as a cost-cutting move and as is typical was never to return once the bus-centric management nixed that also with the help of NIMBYs who didn't like the noise of the trolleys.
Getting back to the orange line. That line once elevated right through to Forrest Hills served many of the neighborhoods that are now served by buses. The line took up many passengers which otherwise now clog other lines including the newly located, well 35-plus years ago now, orange line. By doing that, the T deprived the people who used the system the most an easy ride into the city.
Yep the Yellow line orbital he suggested is too far in, it needs to go JFK, Ruggles, Kenmore, Gilman, Sullivan, then into logan but around the terminals instead of his people mover.
I went to Boston for my senior trip in summer 2022 and convinced my parents we didn’t need a rental car and took the metro everywhere (blue almost every day, it was our favorite) and my parents agreed it was much nicer than driving. May not be perfect but by US standards it was so nice
Yep! I’ve visited Boston on car-free trips twice and I definitely found it to be one of the easiest US cities to get around on foot and by transit.
Smart thinking- I live in Metro Boston and can’t stand driving in the city- can’t imagine being a visitor
I live an hour outside the city and always park at an outer subway station and take the T, parking in the city is expensive and driving is slower
If the Pink Line has its own station near Fenway Park that would make getting in and out of Fenway so much easier. Kenmore Station is so hot and crowded after Sox games.
I’d also suggest extending the Newburyport line to Salisbury and even Portsmouth, NH. If you rebuild the rail bridge over the Merrimack River, Portsmouth can also have Amtrak service.
I am indeed assuming the Pink Line would provide a better station location for access to Fenway Park.
It wasn’t clear to me how intact the line from Newburyport to Portsmouth is or how plausible reactivating that would be. I have a branch off of the Downeaster corridor that hits Portsmouth, but maybe a Newburyport Line extension would be more worthwhile?
@@thehouseoftransit2719 restoring the old line is unfortunately not an option, I live one town over and the former railway is now a gorgeous public trail. And with that now a trail unless you want to make a sharp turn extending the line directly from Newburyport‘s station isn’t an option unless you like tunnels bc it would go directly through downtown. Which is a shame because it makes the most sense in terms of ridership
Newburyport bought the rail line ROW and would never give it up. The cost to rebuild the bridge over the Merrimack and staffing it as a drawbridge would be a multi billion dollar cost.
There’s literally no chance of extending the line to Salisbury north. People are far more likely to drive that short distance, or even better, bike, from Salisbury to the train station. The Clipper City Rail Trail is one of the nicest, most scenic, and most popular rail trails in the state. And, at least for Newburyport residents, is already the needed Last Mile to the station. Forget going even further to Portsmouth along that line.
You could try to go to lansdowne commuter rail station
This is a mess. It's still better than anything the MBTA has come up with internally.
The most important project in Boston by FAR would the North-south rail link (which was originally part of the big-dig, but was cancelled)
It would extend the NEC north of Boston and would finally unite the commuter rail System
IMO, that's a worse effort to improvement than the green line. Just deleting half the green line stops and putting in 20th century signalling would pretty easily double the speed. with no new track
I live in the South End and was always annoyed at how the closest rapud transit stop was a 15-minute walk away, so I am absolutely ecstatic about your ideas for the Blue and Yellow Lines (and to turn the Silver Line into a tram)
This is good to hear! It definitely feels like the South End is a very large gap in the rapid transit network, especially considering how close it is to downtown and how dense it is
@@thehouseoftransit2719 Absolutely! There is this massive gap between the Orange and Red Lines where there is just about nothing in regards to rapid transit, and it annoys the crap out of me. Hell, at least Dorchester and Roxbury get semi-frequent bus service, but the South End is left with only infrequent (>30min headways) bus service save for the Silver Line.
I think it would be cool if the new Silver Line tram was extended south past Nubian. I have three ideas with varying levels of ambition:
1. Extend along the current 23 bus route (Warren Street), terminating at Four Corners/Geneva station on the extended Blue Line
2. Entirely replace the current 23 bus route and extend all the way to Ashmont (Warren Street, then Washington Street after the Blue Line interchange, then terminate at Ashmont)
3. Replace the 28 bus route and carry down Blue Hill Ave instead of Washington Street, terminating at Mattapan
I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. I think that the extension to Ashmont makes the most sense, but I see benefits in all three options
@@janAlekantuwa I'm not nearly as familiar with the 23 although I know route 28 currently serves a very important role. I think with improved service down the Fairmount Line corridor, the 28 becomes a bit less of a key route (still important, but maybe fine with a frequent rapid bus/BRT style service).
I really like the idea of extending the SL Tram along the 23 since that creates new crosstown capacity and serves a currently unserved and dense part of the city down Warren, and while the streets south of there look somewhat narrow in places I'm sure there would be ways to squeeze in a tram all the way to Ashmont if the political will is there. All your ideas have a lot of merit!
@@janAlekantuwa I live between Blue Hill and Warren. I can walk to Nubian in about 12 minutes, orange line at Ruggles in about 25. Nubian is a very busy bus hub and if it could be incorporated into a more rapid-transit system I'd be thrilled. I will say that Blue Hill is probably too narrow for a double-track line unless it ran in the same lanes as car traffic, but I think Warren is wide enough to support a street car with dedicated lanes.
You should absolutely extend the red line to Arlington Heights! I live in Brookline (Brookline Hills stop on the D branch). When I go to visit my friend who lives in Arlington Heights, it takes 2-2.5 hours each way. I have the option of taking the T to Park Street and then switching to the red line, or taking the 66 bus to Harvard Square and then switching to the 77. I make my decision based on the day of the week and time of day that I’m going (people from Boston know what I mean!). The area from Porter Square to Arlington Heights would be SO much more walkable if it could get some help from better public transit!
This is good to know, thank you!
this was such a delight to watch as a boston resident😂
Lollll
The "(typically not on fire)" text at 7:18 was pretty funny for some reason.
They should connect all the commuter lines with a ring route. So if I'm in Salem, north of Boston, I can get to any other commuter line without going into Boston
The best way to fix the MBTA are non-radial routes. These are routes that connect to different lines outside of the city center. This is to increase travel options, while reducing travel times across the system.
As a Boston native this gave me a whole new perspective and shed a whole new light on what I have grown up on accepting as a dysfunctional metro system. A majority of the ideas you have for expansion and cross-utilization are perfectly logical and if executed correctly (financially and physically) will break down congestion exponentially. MBTA is a disgrace, and I say that as somebody who has been riding damn near my whole life. I’m disheartened at the fact that I’m ashamed of the historic metro system in my city, and a vast majority (if not all) of its problems stem from politicians (big surprise)
The issue/problem with your thinking is the "my whole life" part. You don't have a good feeling of just how much better Boston mass transit is to other American cities. Try Miami for instance, a place I am used to; the difference is like gigantic (with Boston a thousand times better mass transit wise). And Miami is ranked the 8th best mass transit in the country (Boston mass transit usually ranked 2nd or 3rd behind only NYC and sometimes San Francisco). The difference between 2nd and 8th is huge! My bet is that if you moved to anywhere not named NYC, you would experience an "absence makes the heart grow fonder" feeling regarding Boston mass transit.
I'm a little surprised that you didn't have a northern extension for the Orange Line. When it was originally being planned in the late 60s / early 70s, it was supposed to terminate at Reading. Unfortunately the NIMBYs got their way, and the line only went as far as the current station at Oak Grove. I wonder how people in Reading, Wakefield, and Melrose would feel about a rapid transit connection today?
My interpretation was that that extension assumed the commuter rail couldn’t be improved. Today it seems commuter rail improvements would be just as effective as (and much cheaper than) an orange line extension
NIMBYs also affected the Red Line which is why it does not go through Arlington and extend to Lexington. The demographics of Arlington has changed so that MIGHT be possible today.
@@billcame6991 Newbies always loved everything up as far as I’m concerned those who are in that category deserve $40 a gallon gasoline
I live in Malden, and I know that there was once a tram system here and in Everett that connected to Boston. It appears that the proposed expansion in this video revives some of the old tram lines (such as what is now the 109 bus on Broadway/Route 99) as BRT. That would certainly provide more frequent service around my neighborhood.
Really appreciate any all pushes to sensible improvements to the transit system. Especially inner city train enhancements. One thing that is missing for me that i believe still proves difficult is a train system of some sort to get from the Brookline/Allston/Brighton side of the charles up the western part of cambridge/watertown area. There are tons of busses that can eventually get there but notably all transit even on the much improved map prefers to flow inward and could be a useful add.
Yeah this has come up as a potential gap in the map, maybe some sort of tram serving generally the routes of the 66 and 96 could prove valuable
As a European accustomed to efficient interconnected transit systems, I'm absolutely *astounded* that the two principal railway stations in one of the United States' largest cities are COMPLETELY UNLINKED. It's unbelieivable! Looking at the map, the Red and Green lines of the MBTA are linked North to South between Boston, so why isn't the commuter rail system similarly connected!? If you want to travel between Quincy and Cambridge you can red the Red Line all the way, but if you want to travel from Quincy to the North End/waterfront to see all the historic sights of Boston, you have to exit South Station and either bus or walk a MILE into town!
Yes, it’s absurd that the connection hasn’t been made given how beneficial it would be. Even Philadelphia took a lesson from the Germans and built a center city tunnel connecting its terminals. Hopefully the MBTA will pursue development of the North-South Rail Link once it gets its act together.
The Red, Green, Orange, and Blue lines interconnect (2 lines each station) at Park Street, Government Center, Haymarket, North Station, Downtown Crossing, and State. Thus, you can get to the North End and the Waterfront from Quincy by switching lines once or twice without leaving the system.
The MBTA is little more than a sick joke. Most especially the Green Line. Even cities much smaller than Boston have figured out how to use light-rail in an effective manner. Take a look at Baltimore, for example. Baltimore has one heavy metro line and 3 light-rail lines. On its light rail lines, the following all apply:
1) Trains run in 1-car, 2-car, or 3-car consists - depending on time of day and expected ridership (e.g., when a professional baseball game or football game approaches its end). If it ever gets permission to use the underground tunnel that runs from Camden Yards to North Street (currently used for freight rail), it could even run 4-car trains at peak times - each train being 380 feet long (longer than a 5-car train on the MBTA's Red Line).
2) Each train has only a SINGLE operator (the train driver), who controls the opening and closing of all doors in the entire consist
3) All doors open at all station stops
4) Fare payment is by "proof of payment" method
5) When a light-rail train approaches a road intersection on the surface, it electronically seizes the intersection, automobiles and trucks are halted by red traffic signals in all directions, crossing gates descend and block all roads that cross the light-rail right-of-way, and the light-rail train speeds through the intersection without slowing
The same holds for many other light-rail systems in the United States (e.g., San Diego). The MBTA needs to learn from other cities. But I doubt that it will. It never has.
I agree with most of this, but I'm not so sure about the rerouting of the Worcester and Fitchburg lines, particularly the use of that bridge over the river. That section of track is not designed for high frequency use, only being used to transfer equipment between North and South Stations. It is single tracked and has little to no room for adding an additional line without demolishing some buildings, though with some clever scheduling you could possibly make it work since those lines are not particularly busy. In my opinion though, it just isn't the right place to send the two lines serving the two major centers of Worcester County.
The Gardner extension I do agree with and apparently did exist at one point (Gardner, like many factory cities in the area, isn't the city it once was). In the last decade, the Fitchburg line was extended in that direction (all be it just a couple miles) to a station to serve a popular ski area and runs special "ski trains" in the winter which have a couple cars refitted to better carry skis.
That said, I think I speak for everyone in Central Mass when I say we need a route between Worcester, Fitchburg, and Lowell. I-190, to Rt-2 to I-495 or any combination of the three is not a fun drive and, especially on Rt-2 and 495, prone to traffic. Tracks between Worcester and Fitchburg lines do exist, though only used by CSX and, until recently, Pan-am. They would need some upgrades though and I believe the route actually ends in Ayre a few miles East of Fitchburg) where there is a small intermodal terminal so it may not be perfect, but even Ayre and the surrounding towns are not an insignificant population and many frequently commute to Lowell or Worcester.
I just want to say that this is great, some really neat ideas in here!
One unfortunate thing about the orange line is that it used to be planned to go up to reading depot, but Melrose , the city not 3 blocks north of the current terminus in Malden, blocked the expansion.
My only critique is that there should be a direct rail connection to Logan. All of this new stuff and all we have is a people mover!
I haven't been to Boston in a while but: The Fitchburg Line. Making it a Green Line branch seems worthy of consideration. The interchange between light rail and regional rail would seem to be at Stony Brook, just at I-95/Route 128. Getting a new route down to the Providence line seems okay, except you might have to take some private property just west of Auburndale to get the proper curve in. I'm not an engineer, so I leave that question open.
I currently use the Kingston Commuter rail in order to travel to and from Park Street in order to go to my college classes. The Commuter rail in it of itself isn’t bad, just needs to be 1) faster, 2) more frequent, 3) allow two trains to run on the same track at once-if a commuter rail train is running opposite from an oncoming train, it must stop and wait for the other to pass.
Plus, the Red Line connection is a NIGHTMARE. It doesn’t come frequently even on weekdays and one might wait 15+ minutes to be able to get on a train to or from South Station. It’s also often late or having problems; I often joke and say that “even the trains have traffic” but it’s starting to get less funny.
I used to live on the Cape before it got too expensive, and I would have LOVED a rail going down there in whatever form. Public transport down there is foul and the traffic of the Bridges and the traffic going into Boston is even worse. So many people would use it if it were viable.
Hmm yeah sounds like the MBTA should invest in more commuter rail tracks if there aren’t enough places for trains to pass. And the Red line is SUPPOSED to have each branch every ten minutes all day but evidently that isn’t working out as well as it should…
As for Cape Cod, definitely agree! The biking trails are a really pleasant way to get around once you’re there but there needs to be an easier way of getting to them in the first place.
"The Blue Line would be extended to Lynn-- " YES!
I believe you could have said more (or anything) about the buses beyond frequency. Please do GATRA next.
Noted, I’m not familiar enough about the bus system to really give specific critiques, but of course generally all-door boarding, transit signal priority, offboard fare payment, and bus lanes are very beneficial to riders.
"The blue Line would be extended to Lynn" - never!! That plan has been on the books for over 70 years; they have a right of way all ready; but it will never happen. I grew up in Lynn and took the Blue Line to school and work for 15 years. They can’t even run the Blue Line trains faster than 10 mph now due to poor infrastructure.
Blue line to Lynn used to be easy to do but some large apartment buildings built their driveways across the Right of Way and people have started to extend their backyards fences back into the right of way of the Blue Line so it is getting lost over time.
Great vid bro
Thank you so much for connecting Ruggles and Ashmont with something faster than a bus. Bus route 23 is so busy, I regualry see two packed buses following each other. It regularly takes me more than an hour to go from Ruggles just to the middle of Dorchester.
There are a couple of things that are impossible within your current plan due to the already planned expansions. First off loading gauge is not taken into account through Newton and the MBTA is already upgrading the stations through Newton as of next month to fit the commuter rail loading gauge. They also plan to add platforms to both sides. The people mover was cancelled and the ferry terminal was also neglected in that plan which is a bit of a shame. Lastly in your plan South Boston, Waltham, Brighton, Allston and a few other neighbors were completely neglected. There are some interesting ideas in here but I'm not sure the bang for the buck is there. The E branch right of way I had never thought about but it's remarkable that they haven't separated it out yet from traffic.
Ah that’s interesting to know about the loading gauges. I do think worst case scenario the stations could be rebuilt to have low platforms to fit lrt, though obviously that feels silly when they’ve just been upgraded to high platforms. I also think that in places where the GL replaces commuter rail, it could be a slightly more cost-effective alternative to building new high platforms, while serving areas like Waltham with better service.
You’re right that I didn’t quite consider Allston and Brighton. They seemed close to existing rail services but I suppose are dense enough to warrant their own routes (though I believe one of the BRT routes in the map accomplishes this).
As for the peoplemover, unfortunate that it got canned but I suspect it would still be a worthy investment at some point. Thanks for sharing your feedback!
@@thehouseoftransit2719 why not replace the E with an EL line remove the street tracks and link to the blue line.?
Why not connect the E Branch into the new Auburndale-Revere Pink Line since the tracks would cross anyway? It would further relieve congestion on the Green Line central subway.
@@edwardmiessner6502 I’m not sure the spare GL capacity is fully needed, but that’s actually quite a good idea to distribute riders more evenly
Yeah, when I saw how far the pink line was extended that's when I checked out...
I find this very cool because I just moved to the Boston area and I lived on each one of these lines even though I have only been here for about 3 years I came from New York City the train system there is very fluid it's very nice the one over here is more chaotic I like your expansions and your tweaks to the train system it is very cool
Thanks!
Fall River and New Bedford both accepted membership in the MBTA by referendum on November 8th.
If I were the T I would make elevated tracks on E line on Huntington Avenue all the way to Heath Street. Then do the Same thing with the B line on Commonwealth Avenue. That speeds the trains up, prevents accidents, reduces traffic, and creates jobs.
Another thing to note about the red line is that the planned route going through Arlington is right on top of the cities bike path and I doubt the residents would allow for it to be replaced
Yeah, I do think that the trail could continue to exist beneath an elevated Red Line extension. This sort of thing exists in Australia and doesn’t have to be unsightly.
@@thehouseoftransit2719 ye thats what i was thinking as an alternative
There should be enough room in the right of way to have both, I imagine. There’s a few places that actually do have railtrails running next to an active line.
Neat effort! I think a greater focus on currently underserved areas would be helpful (if we're going to build a new orbital route we would probably want to hit Nubian Square and Longwood, for example, and some more suburban extensions to the few communities that are committed to infill development would be nice). And some pretty dense core communities (Everett, Chelsea, Revere, Quincy, Lynn) get a bit overlooked in this. Worth tinkering with, maybe some of the bus network redesign thoughts would be helpful for you in continuing to refine!
Thanks for the feedback! There are definitely still areas worth expanding to, though I don’t have the data to support whether an expensive subway to Everett, for example, is easily justifiable. I’m always open to tweaking things as I learn more!
I just wish there was more transit options in woburn. Adding that south station commuter rail connection would really help me get the places i need to go.
I hope there's one of Denver. I live (well, now that I'm in college, live'd there) and I honestly would like to know what thoughts you could have on improving the system. (I honestly have thought that there should be a commuter rail line from the airport to 124th Street via the old rock Island line with upgrades on the part of track that still exists for freight service)
Denver is a very interesting city/region to examine, since there are a lot of opportunities for improvement in spite of the expansive rail system. It might just have to be the topic of an upcoming episode!
I’m unfamiliar with the Rock Island Line, but are you suggesting a direct service on the N and D lines not traveling through Union? That might make sense if there’s a lot of demand, but I imagine orbital express buses would also do the trick, such as a route starting at Eastlake/124th then running along 128th to 470 and following the freeway to the airport
Connecting the end of the Riverside line to the commuter rail line seems like a no-brainer. People could go outbound in the morning to jump over to the CR for a quick ride to Back Bay and South Station, which should lighten the inbound passenger traffic on the Green Line. This set up was used on a temporary basis in the 1990s when the green line tunnels were flooded out. Commuter Rail trains were switched into Riverside Station.
Fascinating, I’d never heard of that!
@@thehouseoftransit2719 The switch between the commuter rail and the Green line still exists. Both lines were owned by the Boston & Albany Railroad. The commuter line runs on the B&A's mainline out of Boston, and the D line runs on the B&A's Circuit line. The other end of the line would connect back with the mainline where Lansdowne station near Fenway Park is now.
An extension to Gardner for the Fitchburg line is unlikely as it already almost happened but it was concluded not to be feasible because the hills of Mount Wachusett would make the train run slower than the Route 2 express way
Ah wasn’t aware of that! Still might be valuable to have a rail connection to the town though…
@@thehouseoftransit2719 it can be done via a tunnel.
By that logic most long distance Amtrak trains should be discontinued then and replaced by high speed rail corridors and in hilly areas maglev high speed rail something even china was afraid to try.
@@qjtvaddict I’m not saying they shouldn’t revitalize the corridor with passenger, all I said was what they said
On the commuter rail side of things, I think it would make sense to wrest back some passenger service from the freight companies that run on what used to be the Providence-Worcester Railroad and create a Providence-Worcester service and make a nice triangle between the metro areas instead of having the death trap that is 146 be consistently clogged and under repair.
Interesting, that could definitely prove valuable
I live in Somerville near the orange line and since I live near a slow zone and they're still in place I leave super early for work because of that and I'm still somehow late it's ridiculous. Like the system will never be good. Like yeah it's also nice that they're extending the green line to Medford but there are more important issues to fix with the transit system than that. Does anyone know when the slow zones are going to go away for the orange line
I love this video, I recommend you take a shot at the MTS + NCTD in San Diego
Thanks! San Diego’s an interesting one, in my opinion the Trolley is already a quite good regional system and with one or two urban metro lines (namely El Cajon) they’d have just about all the rail rapid transit they need.
Great video! I’d love to see you do one of the NYC metro area if you’re familiar with that region
Thank you! I am somewhat familiar, although that may need to be broken up into sub-videos given how complex the region’s transit is.
I agree with your view on the MBTA.
I really like it
amen to getting more frequent light rail on the commuter lines closer to the city! One train every two hours is basically useless.
Poggers video keep it up
Well done! There are some good suggestions in the Comments that you might consider, but on the whole you've tried to make a unified system out of the present chaos. A unified fare system would help, and electrification of the commuter rail lines would prepare us for the future.
Green Line to Auburndale? Genius!
Friggin Needham gets two stations but Everett and Melrose still stay unserved lol 😆
i would love to see one of these videos on marta!!
Definitely one of our biggest requests! Stay tuned :)
An extension I've always thought would be worth having: Take the Lowell commuter rail branch, and extend it north into New Hampshire, where it can follow existing tracks to stop at 3 of the largest communities in that state, Nashua, Manchester, and Concord. Conveniently, the rail stations could be added to the existing bus stations that sit right near the tracks in both Manchester and Concord. Given that there's a lot of car and bus traffic between those places, I suspect the line would be quite busy.
Fully agree! This is actually included in the regional rail map I show at 11:11, though I depicted it as a new service rather than an extension of the existing Lowell Line. The rail-adjacent bus stations are certainly a plus as well.
I lived car-free in Boston for a decade, and I fell in love with the T. It may be a hot mess, but it’s _our_ hot mess.
I went to college in Boston for a year and enjoyed every time i took the T (even if the green line is a literal snail)
Hey! Loved the video, but I was curious, often when talking about the expansion of the Orange line, there is some discussion on northward expansion. Was there a reason you didn't consider expanding the line north through the existing Wyoming Hill, Cedar Park, and Melrose Highlands stations as well as Greenwood and Wakefield stations in the densely populated northern suburbs of Melrose and Wakefield respectively? Currently, they are served by the Haverhill regional line. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the matter.
Thanks! I've heard a few other people mention such an extension of the OL, and it might be a worthwhile expansion. I personally did not include it because the extension would entirely parallel the Haverhill Line, serving the same stops, and it seems it would be much cheaper and easier to ramp up frequencies and lower fares on that commuter rail line instead.
I've been saying that green line needs to be extended to waltham a good while now. It's more dense than newton and has a lot more people that would benefit from more frequent cheaper stops
Glad to hear!
They should link the commuter rails greenbush line with the Kingston/Plymouth line and also they should use the existing rail trail to get service back to woods hole on the cape
I like how many of your ideas resemble former rail and trolley lines that existed in the past. There has been a local movement to restore the E branch of the green line to Arborway near Forest Hills. Maybe have it be elevated? The former tracks to Arborway continued on the street past Heath, and it closed in 1985.
We also could expand the orange line to Reading, replacing the Haverhill commuter rail. (Haverhill line could extend run on the Lowell line until Wilmington) There were plans back in the 70s to extend the orange line north of Oak Grove.
We could extend the Blue Line north of Lynn to Marblehead and Salem. Definitely Salem, given the historical attractions. I don't think it needs to be expanded to the south, other than a connection to the red line. The Fairmont line could be a third branch of the red line. All that would be needed to be done would be a connector tunnel between Broadway and the line.
The idea of making the silver line a light rail is so cool! It could run from Chelsea on the already designated busway, and then run to the airport (perhaps a branch going to each terminal), South Station, and Nubian. Then it could run in a tunnel and later a median on Blue Hill ave (that would solve congestion in the area). Then it would replace the Mattapan line and end at Ashmont. I will say it will be sad seeing the PCCs go.
The mattapan line is such a weird little throwback, with its wartime PCC streetcars running on a regular rapid transit line. I’m pretty sure that they actually have to rely on places like the Seashore Trolley Museum in Maine, and even cannibalizing one or two of their own stock that were damaged beyond repair in an accident, in order to keep these things running.
It’s definitely a cool line, though leaving ancient cars in service exclusively in a historically Black area of the region is a little problematic. Will be good to have them replaced (though hopefully the cars will be preserved somewhere)!
I'm pretty sure the biggest reason they are still in service is because the bridges and overpasses weren't built to accommodate the heavier and taller modern equipment.
My guess is that at least a few will end up at Seashore when they are finally retired.
Although, now that I think about it, I do think Boston could benefit from a real legacy streetcar line. (Rather than just one kept out of necessity.) Perhaps in South or East Boston? Both are areas that don't really have great public transit options, and have a relative lack of old railroad RoWs that the existing system can extend into, so a legacy streetcar line (along with dedicated signaling), might make sense.
Good video. The only knock on the plan is that it leaves the Longwood Medical Area, a large job and service center, still poorly served by rapid transit.
Thanks! That’s a fair point, the Longwood Medical Area is huge and the E (and D to an extent) might not serve it well enough. It didn’t seem like there was an immediately obvious way to better-serve the area without a whole new expensive rapid transit line, but maybe there could be a short tunneled spur line (say off of the Orange Line) to give it a higher-capacity connection.
Fascinating. But it completely ignores the debt overhang at the MBTA that basically precludes it from taking on *any* of these projects. There is a massive overhang of debt for various transit capital investments that had to be made when the Big Dig was done. These were indeed transit projects - but all necessitated by the car traffic improvements. Until the MBTA can figure out how to handle that $5B of debt, and $125M of debt service annually, nothing like this is remotely concievable.
Here are ideas not mentioned in this video that I support:
-Extending the Orange Line southwest to Dedham via West Roxbury and North to Reading, diverting existing Haverhill Line trains onto the Lowell line via Wildcat branch
-Extending the Red Line west to Waltham and Arlington Heights, with the Ashmont branch going to Lexington and the Braintree branch going to Waltham using the existing commuter rail tracks (diverting Fitchburg Line trains onto the Worcester Line). Both branches would terminate at 128/I-95.
-Build a Neponset T station, serving as an infill station on the Red Line and a terminus of the Green Line E Branch extension via Forest Hills, Morton Street, and Ashmont.
I think at a minimum the MBTA system definitely does NEED an orbital route, the yellow line in your plans. But IMO the second of importance is a Fitchburg-Worcester (pronounced 'wor-ster' or 'wistah') link along rt190, as well as the North-South Stations link, because currently that's a Red-Orange/Green transfer rather than a direct route.
Also, as long as the airport still gets free access to the subway system, almost anything would be an improvement over the silver line. (even though I take advantage of that free ride only once in a blue moon)
A pipe dream of epic proportions...but one I'm all for. :)
Thanks for stopping by :)
West Roxbury representing here, that orange line extension would help lmao
I like it.
I live a bit north of the orange line, so one thing I'd like to see is the orange line extended to Wyoming Hill. Then Wyoming Hill (and now Oak Grove, smh) could be removed from the Haverhill commuter rail line speening up service on that line.
I had been assuming improved frequencies on the Haverhill line, but this could definitely also work if the money is there
I'm from Babson College and the Commuter rail is great!
Nice proposals, don't forget to include Amtrak as they use the same commuter lines. I'm not sure if a rail connection between South and North station would work because of the costs and razings, but rather a light-rail or subway shuttle connection connecting the two. I'd also love to see more frequent services to/from Cape Cod. Also what's the music you used around 1:16?
I didn’t dive too deeply into intercity connections, but yes I’d love to see Amtrak and the CapeFlyer services improved too. The song is called “Fig Leaf Times Two” by Kevin MacLeod.
There is already a subway connection between the two stations, you just have to go from the Red Line to either the Green or Orange lines. the lines are all in-system, though of course there is the chance you have to wait for the line your connecting to, to arrive.
but a direct connection between the two definitely would be nice.
Yes this is good excellent video as a Bostonian I approve
Glad to hear it!
Is there a link to the complete map in high resolution? Would love to take a closer look!
Born and raised in Boston in 1977. Left 24 years ago.
The T in its CURRENT version is better than anything they have here in Houston.
I have a car here and live in the north suburbs of Houston,but this city is in desperate need of a mass transit upgrade.
Houston’s Red Line is actually a quite good tram route, but the region definitely needs much more high-capacity transit coverage
Best thing that MBTA could do new management !
my life would get marginally better if the worcester trains ran more frequently and had a mid-day express train!
So not to be contrarian, but the green line is working on and has some transit signal priority. Totally agree on the rest of the video
Oh that’s not contrarian at all, that’s good to hear! I knew of there being tsp on the C Branch, but as far as I know it isn’t activated.
I would be a awesome idea to implement through services between subway and commuter rail like Japan .
Systems weren't designed for that. It would take a lot of rebuilding of rights of way and all new rolling stock.
the lynn blue line extension is exactly what we need in this day and age!! it's sad that they made the terminus at wonderland, it could really be made of use if they extended it :) great video, i very much approve
Thanks for the feedback!
As someone who grew up in Needham, I can tell you that Hersey gets the most riders because it has by far the most park-and-ride capacity. People don't really walk to Needham T stations on account of the low density, so that capacity makes a big difference.
Ah, that would make sense!
Wouldn't it be possible to have the light rail extension through Needham and the orange line both end at Needham Junction? With that housing law passed and since this is all a hypothetical anyways, shouldn't we assume Needham could be developed more around these stations too?
yeah with enough development you could probably justify taking the Orange Line the whole way to Needham
There had already been a fantasy Yellow Circle line... curiously featured on an episode of CSI: Cyber
I love it, why not expand the blue line to Salem? Every October the city triples in it's size and closes all traffic to outsiders because of how busy it gets.
Thanks! Improving service on the Newburyport/Rockport line would be just as effective and much easier to implement (while also allowing for faster trips into Boston). A Blue Line extension would be nice, but it would be very costly relative to the benefit it could provide.
@@thehouseoftransit2719we need wonderland and Sullivan square station for the Newburyport line. For connection to the blue and orange line.
Funny coming across this video, I'm actually from Arlington. Not sure if you knew but back in the 70s there was a proposal to extend the Redline to Arlington instead of having it end at Alewife. I wasn't alive yet but apparently the town was very against the idea of it (growing up I heard older people complain about the proposal when mentioned) and as a result never got the extension. I reckon times have changed and people would love to have it extended though but I'd be curious to see if history would repeat itself.
Do you know why people were so against the proposal? That could give some insight into how likely it would be to succeed today.
@@thehouseoftransit2719 Arlington has a reputation of being a very "townie" place, lots of families have lived there for generations and they aren't too friendly about non townie families moving in. From what I understand, Arlington wanted to remain a small suburban enclave rather than be integrated more into the Greater Boston Area. Apparently when my parents bought their house in the 90s, they were not well received by the neighbors since they were not originally from the town! Arlington has changed a lot even since I was a kid, lots of new housing and apartment complexes and more young people working in Boston choosing to live in it. I would think that if proposed again it would pass but I honestly couldn't say.
@@camt8990 Ah this makes sense. The town seems pretty built-up by now with decent density, so yes hopefully the community would be more receptive to a Red Line extension.
@@thehouseoftransit2719 Community opposition to projects can be very hard to predict, and the reasons given may not always seem to make sense. A small vocal minority can make a difficult opponent. There were a couple of such towns in New Jersey, but it turned out that NJ Transit never got the funding in place to build what was proposed.
Great vid and analysis. Yes, straighten the Boylston curve. I never have my earplugs - so just resort to using my fingers. Can you submit this video and your resume to the MBTA HR people?
I live on the other side of the country, but here’s hoping the MBTA finds better leadership soon!
They should extend the fitchburg line to Greenfield, they have already talked about it
Great video! What app did you ue to make the map for the video? I'd like to know, because it looks very professional!
Thank you! I used Google My Maps, which can be a little janky but has a lot of useful features.
@@thehouseoftransit2719 oh wow! I used it too! I had a feeling that you used it too but I thought it might been a different application b/c of all the T symbols, but that must’ve just been a feature I hadn’t figured out yet.
@@The4905 oh nice! Yeah if you add a new point you can click on it, select “more icons”, and then at the bottom left if you click “custom icon” you can select either your own photos or images from google.
@@thehouseoftransit2719 ooh! thanks for the tip!
The Watertown Branch: it's the Watertown-Cambridge Greenway now. People in Northeastern cities tend to be touchy about giving those back to rail, as seen in Arlington and also New Jersey, New York, and Maryland. (Even if the tracks are still there opposition crops up.) Also, it seems to end at School Street, requiring - street running on Arsenal Street? That may not be beloved either. See Hoboken, NJ, for an example.
Do you by any chance have a link to your map with all the new lines and improvements?
I do, but I’d rather not share it on TH-cam so if you’ve got discord or an email hit us up
Expanding could they get the lines to work first
Rather than having the orbital make two stops at Massachusetts Avenue and Symphony, I would support a single stop in between them and connected to both, which would turn the expanded Symphony station complex into a useful transfer point outside of downtown Boston.
Year long service to Cape Cod would be a huge plus. Even service in only the summer would do fine for a start :(
My biggest wish as a resident is to connect cambridge - somerville - medford with a light rail or something similar. Currently, to get from where I live on the red line over to the orange line stops around assembly square, I’d have to go into downtown boston, adding unnecessary travel. The yellow line kind of addresses this but skips into cambridge for so short a distance and in an area that is almost entirely mit campus that i don’t see it being highly useful to most residents. Feels akin to the G line in NYC - something to connect the outer boroughs without going downtown. Is there possibility for a brookline -> cambridge -> somerville -> medford line?
Hmm, yeah seems like there’s a lot of value in a line accomplishing that. Fitting in a tram on those narrow streets might be challenging, but maybe there could be a route running from around Coolidge Corner up Harvard Avenue to Allston, then running through the Harvard campus and paralleling the Red Line down Massachusetts Ave (but with more stops) to Porter Square. Getting from there to Medford (more or less what the winding route 96 does) would be difficult without significant tunneling but if the demand is there it might be worthwhile.
@@thehouseoftransit2719 Yeah, basically combining the 66-96 lines would be great, or at least running them more than 1-2x an hour!
I could absolutely see this being the Big Dig 2.0. Do you have any estimate about the total cost of the plan?
Well, unlike freeway expansions like the big dig, transit projects have meaningful impacts on reducing traffic and greenhouse gases. Unfortunately I don’t have an estimate for how much this probably-over-the-top plan might cost.
The ferries _are_ a small part of the system, but they _could_ be much more given just how much waterfront there is in Greater Boston.
It is the most neglected transportation which deserve better treatment.
Need some orbital lines added to the commuter Network. One of them could parallel the 495.
Since there isn’t any existing rail corridor to do that, I think express buses directly on the 495 would probably be more practical
@@thehouseoftransit2719 oh by the way Worcester is pronounced *Wooster*.
@@sunandsage Except in Worcester itself where it's pronounced "Wisstah" By the way the r is dropped at the end regardless unless you're a transplant
@@edwardmiessner6502 Oh yeah. I forgot about the accent.
I think a more practical orbital rail line would be a RT 128 parallel route (Yankee Division Highway really) that goes from Quincy all the way to Salem. I mean also this would be a huge investment so it is unlikely to happen but at the very least the 128 corridor should be connected by bus services. It's not only a largely built up corridor that has terrible accessibility to people who can't drive but it is also always congested.
I broke down laughing when he said subways were every 5-10 minutes
I’d say expand the Orange Line south along the Providence line towards Walpole & Foxborough, which would help with traffic at Gillette for game days & expand it to providence after
Wow, that’d be a LOOOONG extension! I’d probably start with better commuter rail service
@@thehouseoftransit2719they need to electrified Providence line or to Foxboro station.
@@thehouseoftransit2719I’ve taken the train from Boston to Gillette & back & the 5 ish mile stretch between Walpole station & the stadium at Gillette needs some massive updates because the trains have to go really slow. Takes like 30 mins to make that stretch
howdy! absolutely loved this. just curious, do you have an xml/kml version of the new map, and if so, could you provide a download link? thanks!
I could provide a web link to the map itself?
@@thehouseoftransit2719 sure that works! thanks so much!
@@jamesthomson7686 www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1JeEegUAi20pGnvXqgwfbZ9dn1jrnyvUt
@@thehouseoftransit2719 thank you so much man!
Green line should be extended to ANDERSON WOBURN using the freight line.....with Green line , commuter rail connections added at Wdegemere, West Medford, Winchester, Mishawum could be reopened as a parking lot for commuters and a green line station. - and ending at Anderson Woburn with a connection to the commuter rail with the big park and ride lot there. Perhaps more EVehicle charging statyions could be added or a designated Evehicle charging lot for both teslas and non teslas at Anderson Wobrun as well.
I think it should extend the red line a little further to Lexington than Arlington heights and maybe even Burlington mall would be amazing and replace the mattapan trolley line with the red line With only Milton and mattapan stations.
I like it! I'd say though that the heart of Cambridge being served by just the single red line isnt enough, I think there should be a line perpendicular to the current red line that runs up like Brookline street and cuts through the port and kendall square toward Lechmere or something. also a ringline is badly needed, I don't like taking the bus, and to get to cambridge on the west end of the green line youve got to take it all the way downtown first then transfer, it would be easier to transfer and ride something straight up into cambridge on a ring line. Youve put yours at Hynes, which is fine but I'd personally put a ring line going through Kenmore since its already a Green Line transportation and bus hub. Although Hynes is a station that is in bad need of updating and looks like it hasnt been touched in 100 years so I'd imagine adding connections there would help do that.
A extension beyond Braintree would be nice and would serve lots of unserved neighborhoods.
Like Randolph or Brockton
@@Tvfan789 yeah theres like noway to get to boston from there except the commuter rail
They were planning on extending the commuter rail braintree and Providence line to Southern Massachusetts. The project is being dragged due to Nimbys in those communities.
As a regular T rider, this is fantastic analysis. A lot of the cities, towns, and neighborhoods aren't intuitively pronounced lol
Thanks!
Why would you straighten the bolyston curve? The almost 90 degree turn is one of the sharpest turn in US north