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How to filter on a motorcycle. (Motorcycle riding tips from a qualified advanced UK instructor)

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  • How to filter through traffic on a motorcycle.
    On the way back from these guys passing their tests I decided to do a lesson on lane splitting or filtering.
    The basic rule regarding zig zags is you cannot park on them, approaching the crossing you cannot pass the foremost part of the vehicle nearest to the crossing that has stopped for the purpose of letting pedestrians cross or the vehicle closest to the crossing that is moving.
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  • @Johny40Se7en
    @Johny40Se7en 5 ปีที่แล้ว +156

    It's always lovely how you help peoples' confidence just talking to them nice and calm like you're just a bunch of friends out for a ride. Nice one.

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Thanks buddy. I love what I do and we have a good laugh at Roadcraft. ☺

    • @owlteachereducation
      @owlteachereducation 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Nicely done. Instilling confidence, reiterating use of the back brake at slow speeds and recognising good practice are all parts of being a great trainer.

  • @Motortriker
    @Motortriker 5 ปีที่แล้ว +93

    I remember when I took my Mod2 test; returning to the test centre we came upon heavy morning rush hour traffic. I started shoulder check to start filtering. The examiner told me to let him through first. he led the filtering. On arrival at the test centre (when telling me I'd passed without any minors) he told me he'd jumped in there in case I'd done something stupid to fail my test hahaha. Good fella.

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Nice day for a riding test then.

    • @Motortriker
      @Motortriker 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@wobblysauce Did I mention it was raining too? 😳

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nice.
      Same for my test, but we didn't do any road sections... all in basically a carpark... passed and it was have at it.

    • @brucieg69
      @brucieg69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      There are some decent examiners out there. I didn’t stop completely at a stop sign on my test but when we got back he just gave me a rollocking about it and passed me with just a couple of minors. 😬

    • @-john-flynn
      @-john-flynn 4 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Nice one.....filtering is not expected on the test but it is allowed (if done properly) so I reckon the examiner was spot on...why ruin a good pass when you could actually just have a bit of training.

  • @Billyg215
    @Billyg215 5 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    TOTALLY agree with the trainer ALWAYS filter slowly. Been a biker for over 40 years and had a few arguments with other bikers about this. Its ALL about getting from A to B safely.

    • @sirraident
      @sirraident 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      absolutely

    • @DanielMircea
      @DanielMircea 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed. A real motorcyclist gets home safe.

    • @lukey3507
      @lukey3507 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Also, loud pipes. All of my bikes had and will have loud pipes. The first bike I had without a decent pipe when I was a 16 year old spotty teenager on a moped, I had so many close calls. When I got my 2 stroke 125 and put a decent loud pipe on it, I very rarely had issues. Only idiots that shouldn't drive were a hazard.

    • @SeanieVoiceOver
      @SeanieVoiceOver 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@lukey3507 Don't bet on them hearing you coming from loud pipes, they're in their cosy metal box with aircon blowing and music pumping, the noise from your pipes isn't in front of you, it's behind you

    • @osprey5611
      @osprey5611 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@SeanieVoiceOver nevermind hearing some drivers dont even realise i exist like Iam invisible.

  • @baccas66
    @baccas66 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Full of admiration. Don't think I'd remain as calm, or as unflappable as Russ. Pity there aren't more instructors like you!

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      If there were I wouldn't be so popular so thanks to the impatient instructors. 😂

  • @geoffclements269
    @geoffclements269 5 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    Filtering is a twice daily activity for me on my commute. Most drivers don't know you're there until you pass them (in my opinion), some move over for you and sometimes it's quite comical how far they get over but I'm always grateful and fewer still do their best to get in your way; when this happens they always seem to forget that if they're in your way on one side then there's a big gap on the other and guess which way I'm going to go!

    • @ashleyreynolds6604
      @ashleyreynolds6604 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I actually wish they'd stay put instead of becoming unpredictable or erratic. We'll sort ourselves out :-)

  • @earlebacciochi9796
    @earlebacciochi9796 5 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Great instructions👍 . Also I always stop filtering a few cars back from a pinch point, junction/roundabouts etc.

    • @madcockney
      @madcockney 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Travis bickle Whether you're a car driver or a rider people do stupid things at roundabouts so I also would not filter right up to the roundabout. A similar situation can occur at traffic lights and some drivers see it as a competition between them and the bike.

    • @lukey3507
      @lukey3507 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Travis bickle On a round about, I get behind the first car on the round about. And block the second cars path so they can't under cut me and try racing me off the line. You must do that with zig-zag crossings or it's a matter of time until a copper give you some points.

  • @Imreadingthisaloud
    @Imreadingthisaloud 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Top stuff Russ. Subscribed when I was still learning. Many Thousands of miles and some European trips later it’s nice to see you’re still passing on the knowledge. Ride safe, never stop learning folks!

  • @kazpearson7358
    @kazpearson7358 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I’m not surprised that was good filtering, their being taught by the best ☺️😘

  • @Penndennis
    @Penndennis 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are so supportive towards your students - huge respect to you Man! And thank you for making this vid available for others; as a new rider, it's very useful. Cheers!

  • @thfreakinacage
    @thfreakinacage 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love that you actually did it on these learners lessons. I was taught the theory and safety of it, but didn't encounter traffic during my lessons, so didn't really get a proper chance to practice until I had already passed my test.

  • @nastyevilninja
    @nastyevilninja 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Good call with the zig-zags! I only found that out a few years back after I got Told Off by Police I overtook on the zig-zags - it was when I was researching what I'd done wrong that I found out I actually hadn't done anything wrong. It also told me that the Police aren't always experts at the more intricate aspects of traffic law...

  • @davidragnoli5162
    @davidragnoli5162 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I passed years ago with these guys, but this instructor is excellent. well done.

  • @lastdimestudios
    @lastdimestudios 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was just mesmerised by the triumphs digital display. Awesome. Good demo too.

  • @harshavytla9006
    @harshavytla9006 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In Australia they don't allow Learners to filter. My motorcycle instructor never taught us how to filter. I've been doing it for years without proper training (never caused any problems, but having an instructor like this would have helped me so much!) Thanks for this video Sir

  • @martinowl
    @martinowl 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good stuff, clear ,calm & precise instructions on a topic many bikers dread.

  • @stevencurtis-rich4178
    @stevencurtis-rich4178 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really good advice on speed, rear brake and watching out for cars drifting/changing lanes and pedestrians diving through slow/stationary traffic.

  • @themin6153
    @themin6153 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done ,again ! Great instructional vid for all . Happened to have to negotiate the Barford(?) tunnel on a HD Softail last year with no hassle , shout out to those 4 wheelers who made space !

  • @dertyberty
    @dertyberty ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done I enjoyed the lesson. I wasn't taught any splitting doing my full licence training jan23. But now I am doing it just like in your vid very satisfying feeling.

  • @BB-gi7of
    @BB-gi7of 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Really good clear instruction - confidence inspiring to the new padawins!

  • @richd9658
    @richd9658 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video, and spot on about zig zags... amazing how many people - bikers included - who don’t fully understand that particular rule.

  • @johndoughnut8617
    @johndoughnut8617 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You seem like a great instructor plenty of positive compliments to boost the trainees confidence 👌🏻

  • @keithwaite5026
    @keithwaite5026 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Been riding 44 years, best filtering vid I've seen at the right speeds, I know you were covering them with great advice, but one thing you forgot to warn them about is other motorcycles filtering , some motorcyclist filter at crazy speeds, nearly got taken out by another motorcyclist a few years ago, so now I check for them a long way back and keep checking with an escape plan in mind just for this situation.👊🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍🏍👍

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Great comment. Thanks

    • @keithwaite5026
      @keithwaite5026 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Roadcraft Nottingham thanks for reply, just been watching your other vids, subbed.👍

    • @keithwaite5026
      @keithwaite5026 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Roadcraft Nottingham ❤️

  • @Chutzpah84
    @Chutzpah84 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good stuff from them. I've always found this sort of slow riding easier than the mod 1 exercises! Real moving gaps to make real time decisions about vs even gaps between cones. And remember everyone - gaps are traps and always be inquisitive about why it is there!

  • @RevBombUK
    @RevBombUK 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very impressed been riding for over 40 years and absolutely perfect, Just the way it should be done great instruction and would highly reccomend you if you lived local. Safe riding and keep it shiny side up

  • @chr15b
    @chr15b 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great tips thanks for sharing. Not done much filtering since I passed my MOD2 a month ago.

  • @richardshilling2958
    @richardshilling2958 5 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Great clip. I think it must be one of hardest things to teach. You can mention the dangers but it's all about time on the seat learning how traffic flows. Plus always that one knob who opens there door. Great clip 😊

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And know the bike... some have fixed mirrors the width of the bike and other can wiggle with Bar mirrors.

    • @richardshilling2958
      @richardshilling2958 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@wobblysauce Very true. Plus that one ar!! Hole that is determined he's not letting any bikes through. All good fun.

    • @mightybeanstick9872
      @mightybeanstick9872 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@richardshilling2958 Absolutely! There is a traffic offence of wilful obstruction, and deliberately moving your vehicle to obstruct another would probably come under that definition. But getting the police to take any action...? Not much chance, I'd say, especially if no collision occured.

    • @DaveBarnes1
      @DaveBarnes1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mightybeanstick9872 oh, I don't know. I reported someone who blocked my car from overtaking 800m from some roadworks on a motorway. He just pulled out to block the outside lane.
      The police turned up at his work to give him a talking too....

  • @jonchilds1637
    @jonchilds1637 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Oh the memories...! About 30 years ago. coming out of town to the lights at Castle Marina when the silver Audi decided he'd waited too long and yanked it round, out of the queue just as I came up on his rear! Turned his door inside out, collected three broken ribs from his rain gutter and had to let go. Supermanned over his roof, down the bonnet and created a crumpled heap outside the (then Lucas) place opposite. "Are you alright mate...." Vorsprung Durch F..kwit!!!!!!!

  • @TheVarnster
    @TheVarnster 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I wish I had an instructor this pleasant when I did my CBT recently, would have filled me with far more confidence once I started riding solo

  • @yellownev
    @yellownev ปีที่แล้ว

    Found the zig zag instruction - spot on thanks !

  • @clanmac66
    @clanmac66 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I didn't know that about zigzag lines! It's the only time I don't filter and not crossing solid white lines of course.

    • @ashleyreynolds6604
      @ashleyreynolds6604 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      In a filtering scenario you can cross a solid white line if it's the line nearest you, it's safe to do so and the traffic you're passing is stationary.

    • @Rebecka_J
      @Rebecka_J 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      ​@@ashleyreynolds6604 Case law has established that a vehicle with the engine running is still regarded as being driven. A stationary vehicle for the purposes of legislation is not based on whether it is moving but whether it is under the control of a driver. That is the reason why using a mobile phone with your hands is still an offence in a queue of traffic even if you turn off the engine, such as at a level crossing.
      Besides which, the law states you can can only cross a solid line to pass stationary traffic "if necessary to do so" (Regulation 26 of TSRGD 2002). The point of the exception is situations such as a broken down vehicle, which would effectively close the road if you could not cross the line. And so where you can also fully return into the correct lane immediately after the obstruction, unlike where you have a queue of traffic ahead you need to pass.
      If filtering over a solid line you will not be able to convince a police officer or a judge that it was necessary to do so instead of simply waiting for traffic to resume moving like everyone else.
      You may be unlucky to be stopped doing it, but it is strictly illegal. It does not even fall to the usual test of "what would a competent driver do," the law is explicit in this area so there is no defence.
      And it is also worth noting that legally you have to keep the offside of the vehicle inside the solid line, which means the whole of the bike. So even if your wheels are inside the line, you are technically breaking the law if you bars are over it.

    • @ashleyreynolds6604
      @ashleyreynolds6604 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Rebecka_J thanks for the info. The HC is somewhat less detailed in it's explanation.

  • @jamesnickel4748
    @jamesnickel4748 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice little pointers on filtering safely! Thanks!

  • @CaptainCrankyMotovlogger
    @CaptainCrankyMotovlogger 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent stuff as always. Even though this is how I do filter, always learn something. Must say your pupils did well, that's a stressful situation for a learner. Well done mate.

  • @alang1825
    @alang1825 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice encouragement for the new riders 👍

  • @gm16v149
    @gm16v149 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Here in Australia learner motorcycle riders aren’t allowed to filter, only when they have passed their test is it legal. Still, we’ve got fairly liberal laws about what you can ride as a learner. Most states have a list of learner approved motorcycles (LAMs), it all depends on power to weight ratio, you can even ride a lower power restricted 650. It’s a lot different to when I was a L plater in England in the 1960s, I rode a 650 Triumph T110 and a Norton 650SS as soon as I passed my test at 16! The test was pretty simple as well.

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I love hearing about different bike laws around the world. Thanks

  • @Certago
    @Certago 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Been a while since your last upload, thanks for doing them!

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's only been 2 weeks and I'm trying not to bore you all. ☺

  • @DevReaper
    @DevReaper 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Super helpful video, I'm planning on moving to the UK to join my Fiancé. I've been riding for over a year now but I have never been in a place where filtering was legal.

  • @steve24822
    @steve24822 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I ride past motorcyclists all the time sat in queues of traffic. It's not normally taught for standard tests so brilliant stuff.

    • @Quickblood1
      @Quickblood1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah that's me I only filter when I'm in a hurry or not really making any progress. That being said if another motorcycle passes me then usually that spurs me on to follow.

    • @gorillaau
      @gorillaau 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Quickblood1 Hehe. that's what got me filtering for the first time... another motorcyclist clearing the way.

    • @Alan-xy2vb
      @Alan-xy2vb 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Usual for me to. Not so much that I can't but I live in a rural area and don't get to the city that often. The other reason is giving the left hand a rest from all the gear changes which I'm no longer used to in stop/start traffic. On our Honda STs we have to make sure the mirrors can fit through as they are same height as car mirrors.

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am the same...
      That is a nice way to do it, someone is doing the work, but be aware some vehicle move back like a wave in water.

  • @gsxrjeff
    @gsxrjeff ปีที่แล้ว

    glad your teaching them to filter mate

  • @nokneedownian8521
    @nokneedownian8521 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job great controls and awareness

  • @schwartz4074
    @schwartz4074 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just love these videos ❤️

  • @AlexDjalo
    @AlexDjalo 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yep learnt this the hard way the other day filtering at around 20 then a car decided to pull out almost hit him but luckily my instructor taught me how to stay calm and to slowly lift my rear brake slightly so I dont skid when doing a emergency stop

  • @Nooziterp1
    @Nooziterp1 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    One potential danger not mentioned is a driver deliberately blocking you off because they think filtering is illegal and they are 'doing their bit'. Used to happen occasionally when I used to ride.

    • @TheDireLulu
      @TheDireLulu 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m just getting into riding (in California, US, where it is legal), is there any tips you have for me in the case of sudden cutting off? Like cut clutch rear brake or something?

    • @Nooziterp1
      @Nooziterp1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheDireLulu It is legal here in the UK too. Despite some drivers being unaware of it. Sadly there isn't much you can do except keep your eyes peeled and watch for drivers moving out, and braking if necessary. They are unlikely to do it suddenly because they risk a collision and getting their paintwork scratched LOL.

  • @RicardoTheCraneOperator
    @RicardoTheCraneOperator 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video!

  • @rudebwoy8
    @rudebwoy8 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well done lads!

  • @madcockney
    @madcockney 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicely done with some good advise. The point about cars moving over, if they see you is true but you do get the occasional driver that is intent on stopping you passing them and you have to be ready for that. I wish more instructors would do this and not leave it up to the rider to learn on their own after passing the test. (Bit like counter steering not being allowed to be taught. Though we all do it subconsciously when you know about it then it can be used to assist the rider when required.) You are more likely to do it, in this instance filtering, correctly under instruction and when you first do it there is likely to be a level of stress.

  • @I_Mark_Mills
    @I_Mark_Mills 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're a really good instructor!

  • @benjamincs1
    @benjamincs1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wish I'd had you as my instructor!

  • @Plumbermark
    @Plumbermark 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    very informative..thank you for taking the time

  • @jhstony
    @jhstony 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Lovely calming voice you have ..........ahhhhhhh
    Smooth

  • @MotoRidesAustralia
    @MotoRidesAustralia 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice one mate, funny how the same challenges appear everywhere.

  • @AnthonyHiggins84
    @AnthonyHiggins84 ปีที่แล้ว

    "ill thanks them dont you worry about that" lol that sounded like a threat lmfao nice vids very helpful

  • @Thomo-ke8bz
    @Thomo-ke8bz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Beautifully done there, shame all riders don’t practice the same calm discipline manoeuvres as you.

  • @NOTAFULLUN
    @NOTAFULLUN 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent. I wish someone had taught me this.

  • @ChrisWeadick
    @ChrisWeadick 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    nice to see you doing controlled filtering vs the guys doing it at 80-100mph on highways

  • @lord8139
    @lord8139 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Top instructor

  • @ronkierstead
    @ronkierstead 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish we were allowed to do this in Canada. Thanks for sharing.

  • @peterhession1668
    @peterhession1668 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Regarding Zig Zags. I was recently marked down on my Rospa test because I pulled up alongside a bus that was stopped at a zig zag controlled crossing on a red light. I knew I could not pass the bus - and I didn't. I waited for the bus to pull off and performed the over take once outside the zig zags. I was subsequently informed that once my tyre passed the rear bumper of the bus it was classed as "an overtake". To be honest I didn't argue the point but it was the difference between a gold and silver. Great video as usual by the way.

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's unfair, there's a big difference between pass and pull alongside. The rule is there so pedestrians don't get hit, how can that happen when you're just next to the vehicle. Jeez! I'm promoting you to gold! 😂

    • @peterhession1668
      @peterhession1668 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RoadcraftNottingham Yes I thought so too. I have put in for a re-test immediately ;-). Next stop tutor training but I do need to iron this one out with ROSPA

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@peterhession1668 good luck with that, there's always in-fighting about stuff like that which is why I don't join clubs. As them where in legislation it defines passing as sitting next to. ☺

    • @Chutzpah84
      @Chutzpah84 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Considering the legislation states not "to pass ahead of the foremost part" I'd agree that that was an incorrect understanding of the legislation.

    • @peterhession1668
      @peterhession1668 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Chutzpah84 thanks guys

  • @Thunderous71
    @Thunderous71 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Brings back memories, dry mouth the first time.

  • @jaywhitney789
    @jaywhitney789 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice and calm i am impressed 😎😎🏍

  • @wobblysauce
    @wobblysauce 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    How great are coms, when used in the right way...

  • @MrMannakin
    @MrMannakin 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The main reason I started riding!

  • @Sammo-w2y
    @Sammo-w2y 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Speed when filtering. I was taught if you cant stop in a car length you are going to fast. That lesson has saved me a few times especially when a car door has suddenly opened.

    • @wobblysauce
      @wobblysauce 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Always be aware.

  • @kjgames650
    @kjgames650 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bloddy good instructor that's why safe man on a motorcycle

  • @mightybeanstick9872
    @mightybeanstick9872 5 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Can someone please tell Royal Jordanian (and several other UK motovloggers) about the zig-zag law? They don't seem to know (or maybe don't care) about it.

  • @KingLies
    @KingLies 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey Russ, glad to see you teaching this stuff! With regards to filtering whilst traffic is moving - I find it safe to filter through when cars are adjacent to each other. Car drivers aren't the best at the noticing bikes but they seem to do pretty well noticing each other, so if I'm in-between I always feel safe that they aren't going to change lanes suddenly.
    I am assuming at 1:17 you mean that you can filter all the way up to the car that is stopped at the lights, is that correct? If so, that's a new one to me! I just took those zigzags to mean that you shouldn't filter because there's a risk of some sort. In this case - the crossing.

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The highway code isn't too clear but I've explained the law in the description. Thanks for your comment buddy. Russ

  • @AndrewFosterSheff69
    @AndrewFosterSheff69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a rider and I didn't know that. I always hung back on the entirety of the zig-zags.

  • @richardgiles2484
    @richardgiles2484 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Really good video. The speed I've seen some filtering is way to fast and will soon be a doner

  • @evildeed90s
    @evildeed90s ปีที่แล้ว

    easy in front of an instructor remember my old 125 from 6 years ago i didnt stall at all and wasnt even nervous whiles doing it i was filtering riding with no problems. it was when i was finnaly on my own riding a week later i started stalling it everywhere getting so nervous to ride it i would never filter at all after a while my confidence came i met other bikers i started riding with them i never forgot what one of them old school bikers told me its no such thing as a late biker because we get there safely not quickly. i ride 900cc now and make sure if people cant see me they will hear me.

  • @SeanieVoiceOver
    @SeanieVoiceOver 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Probably not such an issue in Nottingham but in london 19 out of 20 cars are happy to make room for a filtering biker but one in 80 will deliberately try to block your progress, I put this down to 3 things,1, jealousy, they're stuck in traffic and they're jealous of you, 2, malice, they're angry and they simply hate bikers, 3, ignorance, I've had several (usually middle aged women) wind their windows down and scream something about "Pushing in" they simply don't know what filtering is and apply rules from a queue at the dole office

  • @geraldturner9297
    @geraldturner9297 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm not a fan of filtering , i passed my MOD2 back in Jan '24. But will do it, if it means i can keep moving, far safer than being stationary.
    It's something not really encouranged at CBT and learner stage.
    On the ride back home, my instructor said we would be filteering as traffic was heavy, he asked if i was ok with that, he lead,, but did say make your own decisions to go for gaps or not, ride your own ride, it was a little unerving, i could see in my mirrors a 'battenburg' liveyed bike coming through , i thought it was Police, made room for them .......turns out it eas my examiner who passed me not15 mins earlier, imagine doing something bad !
    He was a top bloke, i went wrong a few times of router, but, he passed me still, saying its how I ride not where I rode, my abilty ,not getting the route wrong.

  • @lucsalander
    @lucsalander 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    great lads there

  • @mike309saa
    @mike309saa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Russ, love watching your vids they're always entertaining, informative and have helped me become the rider I am to today. Covered more than 100,000 miles in the 7 years I've been riding and still surviving (touch wood).
    I'm curious though what you'd do in regards to filtering on solid white lines. I've not done it myself but I've seen other bikers do it. On one hand the highway code states you must not cross a solid white line however it also states that you can cross it if passing a vehicle travelling less than 10 mph if I recall correctly and for turning right into a drive way for example. So is filtering on solid white lines past stationary traffic legal?

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Good question. The 10mph rule only applies to bicycles, horses or road maintenance vehicles. If the traffic is stationary it could be argued that you're allowed then but there's disagreements whether stationary means parked and/or stopped traffic. Highway code rule 129

    • @mike309saa
      @mike309saa 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@RoadcraftNottingham So best bet is to not filter at all on solid white lines?

  • @750triton
    @750triton 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The efforts some car drivers go to, to get one car ahead, I look at filtering as helping out. One less vehicle in the queue 😁

  • @garryrooney9636
    @garryrooney9636 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    ROSPA Aug ‘21 magazine - Read a good article for NOT using hazard lights when filtering as it’s not legal.
    I however DO use my right indicator whilst filtering, my logic is that an “Amber flashing light” might help distinguish me from the sea of white lights in a car side mirror.
    Two questions:
    1) is this legal / correct use of right indicator?
    2) Is this a benefit to other road users?
    Assume that I am also checking people’s hands on steering wheel & direction of front tires whilst filtering - Thx in advance for your correspondence

  • @GrantW219
    @GrantW219 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you do another filtering video with more updated detail, Laws, etc? I didn't know you can't go in front of the leading vehicle when zigzags are about. Thanks for the video

  • @PAUL-yv2kk
    @PAUL-yv2kk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What an excellent tutorial, you have a great approach. I am keen to understand the reason for avoiding the front brake when filtering. What's behind that ? Keep up the great work 👍

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Usually the ultra low speeds don't really warrant it. I may have said that just before a total stop, unless you can give me a time code?

    • @PAUL-yv2kk
      @PAUL-yv2kk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RoadcraftNottingham Thanks, you mentioned it a couple of times in the clip but not sure exactly what times. I just wanted to check there wasn't a reason to use the rear instead of the front, but it sounds like that's not the case...just low speed / no need. Great service you give to the bike community in Notts...well done 👏

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PAUL-yv2kk Thanks Paul. ☺

  • @michaelggriffiths
    @michaelggriffiths 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video!
    In London I filter all the time. On ZigZags it is my understanding that you cannot overtake the lead vehicle, but after you gone over the crossing (but still on ZigZags) you CAN overtake. Am I correct or in error? I'm not a TH-cam know-it-all, I genuinely look to improve my skills.
    Thanks for the continued great content.

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The rule regarding zig zags is you cannot pass the vehicle nearest to the crossing that has stopped for the purpose of letting pedestrians cross or the vehicle closest to the crossing that is moving.

    • @nastyevilninja
      @nastyevilninja 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      There is actually no restriction to overtaking as soon as you are on the crossing itself! People forget the whole purpose of that rule, and that is to stop you overtaking a car that has stopped for a pedestrian that you can't see. Sometimes the reasoning for these rules gets lost because everyone gets pedantic.

  • @adamscrivner30
    @adamscrivner30 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great!

  • @Arachnoid_of_the_underverse
    @Arachnoid_of_the_underverse 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Two of the biggest hazards I find when filtering are pedestrians who don't look before crossing , even diving between the traffic many feet from an official pedestrian crossing and the large wing mirrors on vans and wagons which stick out right across the lane. You certainly need to keep your head on a swivel when filtering safely.BTW do you still ride the Pan or did it get traded in?

    • @Quickblood1
      @Quickblood1 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'd say the biggest hazards are cyclists and other motorcyclists especially couriers or the menace that is food delivery drivers.

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Still got the pan. Needs a battery then I'll take it for a play but it's basically retired now. 😔

  • @miguelbinha
    @miguelbinha 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello! Do you advise always wearing high-vis vests? Thank you for your teaching!

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      We have to wear one whilst training but I don't for personal riding. Do some research into how effective hi viz is on motorcycles. ☺

    • @miguelbinha
      @miguelbinha 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RoadcraftNottingham I will! Thank you!

  • @carllewis1691
    @carllewis1691 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I recently purchased Cosmo Moto @t - smart brake light that affixes to your helmet and detects when you are decelerating - braking or engine braking to light up and inform other road users of your presence and that you are slowing down. It also can be set up to emit a continuous light similar to that of the rear light on your motorbike whilst shining brighter if you are decelerating in addition it can be set up as a strobe/ continuous warning light as well. Have you thought about reviewing this as I believe that this is an invaluable safety aid in raising your visibility on the road at an affordable price for all motorcyclists. Please let me know your views.

  • @crispyzombieanimation5348
    @crispyzombieanimation5348 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just curious does the instructor and the student have two way communication on these lessons, Or just the instructor?

  • @madeleinegillett5892
    @madeleinegillett5892 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm doing my advance riding qualification with IAM and any advice is good for my riding. These videos are brilliant for picking up little tips

  • @oxide_fx
    @oxide_fx 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic lesson! As i did my test in a small city there was no need to filter during lessons or the test. All the information is so contradictory on it online. Is it equally acceptable to filter on the left of cars too between parked cars and moving traffic etc.? I don't like gutter running as its more dangerous, but in Glasgow there's technically two lanes almost everywhere, except one lane is usually used up by cars parking at the side of the road.
    Also, is the rule of not passing the lead car involve junctions with lights too, or are we allowed to go right up to the front there?
    And if the lead car has left enough gap at the front of a crossing are we allowed to filter past them in that case?
    Are you allow to filter beside a solid white line if there's enough space so that you don't cross it?
    It's so hard to know if what you're doing is right or wrong... I just try to do it in a safe, controlled manner.

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The lead car rule is only zig zags. You're legally allowed either side of the car but need to be extra careful. As long as any part of the bike including the handlebars doesn't go over the solid line it's OK too

    • @oxide_fx
      @oxide_fx 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RoadcraftNottingham Thank you!

  • @TitanGoodSpeakerman
    @TitanGoodSpeakerman 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about bike boxes? If there is a marked junction before the pedestrian crossing, where they paint it green and put bike symbol in there, is it okay to filter to that? Are motorcyclists allowed to stop in them?

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No. The only time you're allowed to stop in them is if the lights change and you can't safely stop behind the first line

  • @tristramgordon8252
    @tristramgordon8252 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Not nowadays, but back in the day, drivers emptying their ashtrays out of the window on passing motorcyclists!

    • @playtime.5526
      @playtime.5526 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      tristram gordon The old days, here is your L plates now go teach yourself.

    • @user-rf9me7xm1w
      @user-rf9me7xm1w 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The old days, twice around the block and you've passed whoopee !

    • @motocomiot
      @motocomiot 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@user-rf9me7xm1w I took my bike test in Wallington (South south London) the day after my 17th birthday in 1981 - just the one test then...the test centre was in the middle of a square with access to two sides - I went round one way with the examiner sprinting from one side to the other to see me at each corner then the other way and he held up his hand for an emergency stop. I passed and I’m still biking 40 years later.

    • @user-rf9me7xm1w
      @user-rf9me7xm1w 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Much the same as my test then Martin, the only difference being that my test was taken in 1966 ! and I still enjoy riding very much. (Triumph Street twin).

  • @gardenshedman
    @gardenshedman 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was so good to see i have to say rsm

  • @specialandroid1603
    @specialandroid1603 ปีที่แล้ว

    So long as you don't do something unexpected and keep your speed down (with full observation and anticipation) then the risks will be low (but not absent).

  • @oriordan51
    @oriordan51 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    good video has always. total agreed with everything. one l always look out for people throwing lit cigarettes out of their window or drink

  • @ianshannon326
    @ianshannon326 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great clip even as a daily commuter and filtering daily spot on with the commentary and tips there. Out of curiosity though, is filtering not classed as an "advanced" skill and not recommended for novice riders or learners? Just a thought....

    • @Coldfin9er
      @Coldfin9er 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      IMO, no - shouldn't be classified as 'advanced' as you call it. It's a part of everyday riding that all riders should be doing and certainly being instructed on when learning.

  • @fabiosartorio4972
    @fabiosartorio4972 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello from Brazil!
    What are the zig-zag lines for? We don't have them around here.
    Great chanel!

    • @rowlandstraylight
      @rowlandstraylight 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Marking a pedestrian crossing. Parking on zigzags is criminal and is one of the few ways to penalty points on your licence or your car towed and impounded by police. Similarly you can't overtake the front vehicle as they may be hiding pedestrians from view.

    • @snifflytooth
      @snifflytooth 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      When I was in Rio a few years ago, the ‘rule’ seemed to be as the bike approached the traffic the rider sounded his horn as he approached the cars. Beep... beep...beep...beep... beep...beep... beep then into the cars. Repeated as he needed
      It was the Olympics though so maybe everyone was on their best behaviour.
      Great to watch the Police motorcycles clear the way for VIPs

  • @bscutajar
    @bscutajar ปีที่แล้ว

    What I've learned from experience is to never filter past the front car in an intersection or stop sign. Always stay right beside it's rear wheel at most and move with it. If you go in front of the car and you hesitate when you need to move, the car will just move into you as they're usually looking the other way and considering their path to be clear.

    • @Hirotoro4692
      @Hirotoro4692 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You can pull up at the front of a junction just fine if you have the ability to be recognised. It's not legal but I might pull sightly over the stop line to make myself more visible. Defensive driving ftw

  • @PanRider939
    @PanRider939 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Watch their/them/they front wheels. You’ll get indication if they are going to block or change lanes.

  • @adammoorby99
    @adammoorby99 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only person to teach me to filter was a mate who passed his CBT a few month before me 😂😂

  • @mikeroberts
    @mikeroberts 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice video. Liked the comment on zigzags. How much detail of that situation do you teach them? How would it be viewed "On test"? Obliviously covered elsewhere with them, but how do you get them to try and ride clutch out (where possible) rather than using the slow manoeuvres technique of slipping the clutch?

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We don't recommend filtering on test unless stuck and the examiner asks if you're comfy with it. I always teach "cover" the clutch, always having fingers there in case it's needed but not to always slip it.

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'll always explain zig zags but not so much detail whilst riding in case they get distracted

    • @mikeroberts
      @mikeroberts 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RoadcraftNottingham Thx.

  • @onefootinthegravy3117
    @onefootinthegravy3117 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video, I've never heard that rule about the zig zag lines before. Out of curiosity where did you get that rule from? There is very little about filtering in the high way code.

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      The. Gov website has the highway code laws in it but takes some looking for. Try Googling UK traffic laws etc. There'll be plenty of info on the net

    • @onefootinthegravy3117
      @onefootinthegravy3117 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RoadcraftNottingham WOW that took some finding! It's in the 'The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016, SCHEDULE 14, PART 1, Paragraph 15 (1). And if I hadn't know what it meant before hand, I wouldn't have had a clue what it was on about from reading it.
      I wish the government would produce some clearer guidelines on what is and isn't legal for bikes. I commute and filter everyday. And whilst I try and be safe i'm sure there must be other laws that I am potentially breaking (unknowingly).

  • @mazakram3128
    @mazakram3128 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome

  • @Citeh111
    @Citeh111 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    could you explain the bit about zigzags and not overtaking the lead car?

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Read the description. ☺

    • @Citeh111
      @Citeh111 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RoadcraftNottingham ah ok, so you would slightly pull in front of the second car but behind the first car and the second car has to let you go first at the lights?

  • @paulmatthews7701
    @paulmatthews7701 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Always been a bit unclear on the overtaking near a crossing rule,You MUST NOT overtake the moving vehicle nearest the crossing or the vehicle nearest the crossing which has stopped to give way to pedestrians,so do you view a cycle as a vehicle?...and what about a set of traffic lights on a main (or even dual carriageway) road that also doubles as a pedestrian crossing,would you filter to the front and maybe just sit behind the vehicle at the front or does it only apply when they have stopped at a request type crossing ie:it is not controlled by lights but the vehicles just stop when a pedestrian stands at the crossing

    • @assortedpov9722
      @assortedpov9722 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad I'm not the only one who wonders these things. I generally just stop between the first and second vehicle, or alongside the second one if there's not space between. I know I'll be gone before they've put their transmission back in gear anyhow.

  • @expatbiker6598
    @expatbiker6598 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When your late coming back to the office. Just introduce filtering to the lesson.

    • @RoadcraftNottingham
      @RoadcraftNottingham  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ya got me. ☺

    • @paullee6663
      @paullee6663 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ha Ha !! OK listen up guys....this bits for free, and could save your life! Lucky for me....a bloke stood on a corner, told me to make first left turns and watched from afar...would love to see an update on 'Living with the Triumph" if you are so inclined. Looks like the Honda is going into retirement? :-( Great video as always...