Please pray for my friend Kristel, she is depressed and doesn't know God. Pray that God would open her mind and heart to the truth which is in Jesus Christ and destroy satan's lies and works in her life.
@HANUNIJA for tribulation, they just shouldn't be taken because they afflict u with certain things u aren't aware of. The rapture is happening soon. The antichrist hasn't been crowned for us to bow to him,please go over ur word,there's knowledge to and fro on the internet you guys,im seriously, be encouraged
@@vigc2871 You wrote: "It’s not real. There’s [sic] no scriptures used in context that support the rapture." To _whom_ are you addressing this shallow comment of yours? To Pre-Tribulation people? To Mid-Tribulation people? To Post-Tribulation people? To Pre-Wrath people?
@@vigc2871 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 states there will be a time where Jesus comes to catch us up into the air after the dead in Him are raised. This is a teaching from the Bible, not an opinion. This is an event where people will be translated as Enoch was. Enoch was walking with God and He literally took him up to be with Him. This is exactly what will happen to those still alive at this point in time. It’s also in 1 Corinthians Chapter 15. Be careful saying what is or what isn’t in the Bible because Yah won’t hold you guiltless. We’re all going to be judged for what we say. Study to show yourself approved (2 Timothy 2:15.) Making baseless assumptions doesn’t edify anyone.
I believe we should be ready to go through the tribulation because if we do we will need God’s strength to make it through and potentially die for Him 🙏🏼
If you think you must die for God, you're fool. You die because of other people's SIN. God SAVES you. You're giving arrogant buffoons pretexts and excuse to think Christianity makes people crazy. Go study your Bible son. I know what you mean, but your comment is so EASY to take out of context and use as a weapon you need to think more before posting an idea like this.
@@einarabelc5 bruh chill as a fellow Christian you should correct him. Dont call him a fool because it says in the bible anyone who calls their brother a fool is subject to judgement. That's like the basic of the basic of christianity
@@einarabelc5 Sir, I too used to believe in the pre rapture theory whole heartedly and now I’m open to potentially having to die for my faith in order to truly prepare for the end. The apostles died for our Lord very gruesome deaths as do many people still. We are called to be living sacrifices for our God. So I don’t understand your knowledge or saying we are not to die for God because that is clearly false as it has happened and continues. I feel it wise you do more reading and research as I am wholeheartedly comfortable/content with keeping an open mind that I may have to be beheaded for not taking the mark and bowing down to a false god as I feel it wise we all do, pre rapture or post. God bless you 🙏🏼❤️ I do not know you or your heart but only God does but look at your choice of words… do they show live towards others? Are they helpful in anyway?
Nowhere in the Bible are we taught that the church will be "raptured" before the tribulation. In fact, the major thrust of the book of Revelation is to prepare the church to endure the persecution and to "endure until the end" or "overcome". Nowhere in the Book of Revelation are we told that the church will be "raptured" out before the tribulation begins. If this "rapture" preceded the tribulation, you think God or John might have mentioned that. Instead, in Rev, 13 times the "saints" are mentioned as suffering, enduring and overcoming DURING the tribulation.
Easy to think that way without rightly dividing the scriptures , who is Jacob and why are they in trouble when people say " nowhere in the Bible.." It shows lack of understanding ,pride and or ignorance .
I agree with this man. When I share the rapture, I mention this too about Rev 6 - 19. The Bible teaches the rapture and the church does not go through tribulations. We are not appointed wrath but to obtain salvation with our LORD Jesus Christ.
No it doesn’t. We are raptured at the 7th Seal. Who are the wise still on earth to recognize the Anti-Christ if it’s not us? There are no wise people without Believers. We will go through the Tribulation. Why are we any different than the persecuted church around the globe.
The tribulation isn’t the wrath of God but the culmination and final wrath of Satan. The church has suffered tribulation from its inception and the great tribulation is the last stroke before the return of Christ and our gathering up to him, then will comes the wrath of God upon the unbelieving world as recompense for all the evil perpetrated against God and the saints from the beginning of creation. Do not be deceived!
@@777Treeoflife So it makes sense that the early Christian suffered horrible deaths like been fed alive to wild beast, crucified, burn to a stake, stoned to dead, sawed in two, immersed in hot oil etc all on account of the gospel? Or weren’t they Christians with the the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit of God? How different were they from the present church or are we more of Christians than they were? The pre-trib doctrine is a heresy, just another man made philosophy that will end up leaving you unprepared for what is coming. Denying the eventuality of the inevitable will not change anything but rather it will only jeopardize your preparedness, so brace up because no one is escaping the 7 seals which is the tribulation but we will escape the 7 trumpets and bowls which is the wrath of God when we are gathered up to Jesus as he descends from heaven to save us before the wrath is pour out on the unbelieving world as recompense for all it’s evil against God and His saints....Shalom🙏
@@777Treeoflife Go back and read what I wrote, nowhere did I imply that the wrath is against Satan rather I said the tribulation is Satan’s wrath against the believers. We see in Revelation chapter 12 and 13 that Satan was permanently evicted from heaven and thrown down to the earth in great fury with limited time, and he was allowed to successfully make war against the saints and conquer them for 3 n half years. The Antichrist is the physical embodiment of Satan and he will be allowed 3 n half years to rule the earth and persecute the saints before Christ returns. Daniel 9 doesn’t support the Pri-trib doctrine in anyway whatsoever. The text explains Gabriel replying Daniel’s supplication for the redemption of his people who were in captivity. The text summaries the duration of their servitude, and their final redemption at the end of the church age. It says that the Jews were been punished for their transgressions as captives in Babylon for 70yrs after which they shall be restored to their land, then shall come the messiah but he shall be killed, then shall come the Antichrist who will make a covenant and half way into the covenant he will infringe and persecute the believers for the remaining half of the 7years bf they are rescued and the Antichrist is destroyed at the return of Jesus! You are the one forcing your opinions on scriptural text, let the Bible speak its truth…Shalom🙏
If that was true the second coming would be the Third coming Combining prophecies since all must be true for any to be true: Jesus will return to judge at some time we can not know Iin advance. When He does the saints (saved) both living and dead will meet Him in the air as He arrives.
@@markhorton3994 Correct. The "Landmark" Prophecy would be The Day of the Lord... which is the biggest prophecy in scripture because it's the same prophecy as Jesus' birth and death. So in that same prophecy, of the Day of the Lord, every scripture in the New Testament says only then will we be gathered unto him.
Mark Horton, 1 Thessalonians 4: 16-18. Nevertheless, the saints who believe wholeheartedly that they will go through the wrath period and Antichist, will have a nice comforting surprise when caught up, catching away to Christ and the marriage feast in heaven, before wrath befalls this earth.
@@markhorton3994 agree! Heb 9:28 is clear he will return a second time. Not 3 or 4... “so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.” Hebrews 9:28 NKJV
“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” John 3:18 KJV “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” John 14:6
1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with a resurrection. There is only one resurrection (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6). Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection (v. 37). The wicked are unaware (Matt 34:39a), then there is a flash of light and we leave our flesh on earth (Luke 17:37). Everybody knows when the second coming is near (Rev 6:15-17). Zech 14:16 shows some of the wicked come to belief at the second coming.
In the Revelation passage Jack references, John asks the angel "Who are these clothed in white". The angel replied "These are those WHO ARE COMING OUT OF THE TRIBULATION". Coming out! But death. "And they overcame the beast because they didn't love their lives even unto death." How could this be possible if they were raptured out before the tribulation began?
The verse is revelation 7:14 and states they have already "came out" of the tribulation,as the rapture he spoke of in previous epistles proves we won't be here and aren't appointed to wrath, and as well to mark the beginning of tribulation the rapture seems to be a key event to mark it and the ones arrayed in white would make sense they were innumerable because IF the rapture happens many would come to believe also mentioning the first six seals have been released so if we aren't appointed to wrath then it would make sense we would be out of there by then, revelation 5:3 says no "man in heaven" was able to open the book so assuming there were also men already in heaven couples with 1 thessalonians 5:2 1 Corinthians 15:52 1 thessalonians 4:16-18 revelation 3:10-11 tend to heavily point towards a pre tribulation rapture if not 100 percent a mid tribulation rapture.
The wrath is the bowls of wrath after the trumpets. We still need to endure and persevere through the seals and the trumpets, and at the sound of the last trumpet, the entire church will go with Christ. His church doesn’t go through the bowls of wrath.
It's possible that Christians who die before the tribulations will not live through them, whereas new Christians will convert during the tribulations. Revelation 7:14 refers to a "Great" Tribulation, if that is a good translation then it implies that not all Christians will convert during a "Great" Tribulation but rather particular people, as there must be lesser tribulations.
"How could this be possible if they were raptured out before the tribulation began?" Wait...who said that "these clothed in white"--"those WHO ARE COMING OUT OF THE TRIBULATION"--"were raptured out before the tribulation began"?
Jesus is already on the throne of David: “For David says of Him, ‘I saw the Lord always in my presence; For He is at my right hand, so that I will not be shaken. Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue exulted; Moreover my flesh also will live in hope; Because You will not abandon my soul to Hades, Nor allow Your Holy One to undergo decay. You have made known to me the ways of life; You will make me full of gladness with Your presence.’ “Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay. This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.” ’ Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ-this Jesus whom you crucified.”” Acts 2:25-36 NASB1995
Will you make your mind up. The Bible says Christ is sat down on the right hand of the throne of God in Heaven - and you say that He is on the throne of David which will be on the earth in Jerusalem. I am afraid you are confused.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 “But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. For it is written, “Rejoice, barren woman who does not bear; Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor; For more numerous are the children of the desolate Than of the one who has a husband.” And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, For the son of the bondwoman shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman.” So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.” Galatians 4:26-31 NASB1995 “For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.” 1 Corinthians 15:25 NASB1995 I never said the throne is on the earth. Jesus is already on the throne of David is what I said. Where does it state the throne is a physical throne on earth or soil if this is what you are suggesting?
@@urawesome4670 You wrote: "I never said the throne is on the earth. Jesus is already on the throne of David is what I said. Where does it state the throne is a physical throne on earth or soil if this is what you are suggesting?" Did David reign from the throne of David? Did David reign from earth, or did he reign from heaven? Which? BTW, I hope that the "U" in your screen handle ("UR Awesome!") is only referring to God, because only God is _awesome._
Jesus is not on the throne of David and nor will He be until He returns for the Millennial. The throne of David is in Jerusalem and when He returns He will sit on the throne of David then and literally reign for a thousand years.
@@alfabet1718 I'm not sure what you would like to have elaborated on. Virtually all of the Bible verses attributed to an "end times" rapture have nothing to do with anything like that. The book of Revelation, for example, is not about some "end times" event. It was a warning to first century Jews about the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple that occurred in 70 AD. Matthew 24 also addresses this same event. Without those two parts of scripture, the entire "end times" view crumbles.
Dispensationalism is the only way to interpret the Bible without contradictions. The biggest reason for confusion among Christendom is not applying whats said, to whom it was said, in what time frame it was said. 2 Tim 2:15. Study, therefore rightly divide. All the Bible was written for us, not all was written directly to us.
Straight from Scripture. Well done. Those who stick to the text of Scripture will always hold premill-pretrib. The Scripture could not be more clear for both.
JESUS COMES WITH A SHOUT TO RESCUE HIS PEOPLE AND TO DESTROY THE EARTH BY FIRE TO TAKE HIS PEOPLE TO HEAVEN FOR A THOUSAND YEARS AND THEN TO COME BACK TO JUDGE THE REST OF PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T BELIEVE IN JESUS AND TO ESTABLISH A NEW JERUSALEM FOR EVER AND EVER AMEN. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. ...... But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. ....... Behold, he cometh with CLOUDS; and every EYE shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. ...... 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his COMING. ..... 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
@@SpotterVideo I was raised in the covenant theology group, so I get your position. Take note that hebrews 8 is taking about the future covenant with israel and judah(not gentiles). In Hebrews 10, the author refers to Jeremiah 31 but changes israel and judah with a general reference to 'them' referring to us who accept Christ. The point in ch 10 is that we are inheriting the blessing of this covenant ahead of israel and judah, and that we are proof of God's faithfulness, but this does not negate the target(Jews) of Jeremiah 31. Romans 11 is clear that we are in the times of the gentiles and that God is coming back for the Jews at the end to literally fulfill Jeremiah 31 to israel and judah. Cheers
Ahh you if you read Matthew 24 into context though here is the picture you get painted in your mind. You have Jesus discussing the end times (keyword) and what comes to mind when you think of end times? The tribulation. So here we have Jesus who is a Jew talking to other Jews about what's to come and uses the parable about the ten brides groom. You know the one where 5 were wise and the other 5 were unwise? 5 had their lamps with extra oil prepared and ready the others didn't when the bridegrooms coming was delayed. Among the more than 200 times that oil is mentioned in the Bible, the connection as a metaphor of the Holy Spirit’s presence and action is clear in the ritual of anointing prophets, priests, and kings. For example, when the prophet-judge Samuel anointed David with oil to be the new king of Israel, the next statement is that “the Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon David from that day forward” (1 Sam 16:13 nasb). So here is my point. in the end times salvation is going to be different and as the parable shows those who aren't ready aren't going to be saved. But we are in the church age, once we are saved we are always saved in Jesus our saviour. Because it's faith and faith alone that we are saved through the grace of God.
@@codyroden7685 you got everything backwards. If you want salvation you have to become a Jew!!! God told you this multiple times. You are to be grafted into his family he is a Jew and then you must become one yourself. You are failing to listen to both God and Paul. Paul told you to work out your salvation in fear and trembling. You are obviously not doing that. Start keeping the Friday sunset to Saturday sunset sabbath
@@Soulaliss Question, where exactly does Paul say that? From what I can read from Romans 10: 12-13 Paul teaches that when it comes to salvation one does not have to be a jew, only to proxclaim and confess Christ as your saviour (vv. 9-10)
All I can think about when I hear about people explaining their interpretations of pre-trib raptures is that there will be a great falling away, the great apostasy. Why would the Christians who are expecting to endure terrible things and aren't expecting a pre-trib rapture have such a falling away? Christianity has thrived on persecution, it got its start under persecution. Sadly, I believe the great falling away, the great apostasy will occur from these people who have such a hope and faith in a pre-trib rapture, that when we have to endure such terrible things, they will abandon their faith as Christ didn't come to rescue them as they had heard over and over. A pre-trib rapture would be nice, but I simply don't believe it. You must be ready to endure, it is repeated over and over in the scriptures.
I think the rapture before tribulation is exactly for that, so people think it will happen before, and when it doesn't, they turn to the mark of the beast, it will weed out all the Christians who aren't pure of heart, it won't be millions ascending. It will be billions burning alongside the beast.
“Now concerning the COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OUR BEING GATHERED TO HIM, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU IN ANY WAY. For that day WILL NOT come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,” 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
I love it when Scripture speaks for itself. Jesus' own words in Matt 24:29 are even better: " “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
@@civilization57 says: *I love it when Scripture speaks for itself. Jesus' own words in Matt **24:29** are even better: " “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.* I hope you're NOT referring to this as being the rapture of the Church because it isn't. It's the battle of Armageddon which happens at the end of the Tribulation Period.
@@danielblair4413 I share your love of Scripture. Notice how Jesus describes the "rapture" of the church in this passage, sharing the exact same description that Paul uses to describe the Rapture in 1 Thess 4:16. He calls this the Day of the Lord. Both Matt 24 and 1 Thess 4 describe Jesus visibly returning, his angels coming, the saints being gathered together from the earth to the sky (Raptured), the trumpet blowing, great glory (nothing hidden), and clouds. Paul was virtually quoting Matt 24 in his account. And in 2 Thess 2, Paul says that this "Day of the Lord" won't happen until AFTER the antichrist is revealed. And, yes, I agree, this all happens "at the end of the tribulation period."
@@civilization57Now I agree this is after the tribulation period, and these texts agree with Rev 1:7 as well. This strongly suggests that any mention of a secret rapture is displaced by the Jesus' returning on the clouds, to take us with him back to heaven. That would rightly leave all unbelievers on earth dead of shock and the fallen angels with....nothing to do, for a thousand years. After that the New Jerusalem would be brought down from heaven, and judgement day would be brief, with the fire lasting just so long as each condemned person & angel has been apportioned by the saints. Sin would be burned away and the earth made new, with unimaginable proportions & glory. This is a summary of what's in The Great Controversy, last two or three chapters. More hope for God's people than I've heard anywhere else, thanks to Jesus' victory over the devil and him also redeeming us from this sinful earth, amen.
Because it's written that no one knows the day or time of Christ's return for His people and to be in a state of readiness as a bride for the groom, we know this is talking about the rapture that comes first because there is a countdown of events that precede The Day of the Lord in which Christ returns to judge the world. Today is the day of salvation. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ to be saved from the judgement.
I agree. I've seen a few debates on this. Rapture Theory has a variety of holes in it that do not add up. But when trying to discuss these issues with their theory, the conversation eventually turns sour. And in the end, the pro rapture crowd accuses everyone else of heresy and walks away. It's become a cult mindset. I think the real danger here is when the Tribulation does comes, and the Rapture does not; I wonder how many of these people who were raised to believe this will walk away from their faith (apostasy like) to save their lives, thinking God's abandoned them or that He isn't actually real.
@@mweekly75 there is a rapture! “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Matthew 24:29-31 KJV But it is after the tribulation and happens when Jesus returns, not before.
@@duexieme2 I too discovered this when I was trying to read about the rapture from the Bible. It looks like it will happen at time of second coming. I don't understand why so many preachers say that the rapture will happen before the tribulation period.
Pray that you are worthy to escape those things that are to come , aren't these who are alive and still remain at his return ,Luke 21:36 , 1thesalonians 4:17
Luke 21: 36 is Luke's version of Mathew ch 24 . What is the meaning of Mathew 24 ? To whom is Jesus speaking ? His JEWISH disciples. What was he teaching them about ? Jewish things. Look at the references to these Jewish things #1 The temple , #2 the abomination ( a repeat of Daniel's prophecy about Antiochus Epiphanes in the 2nd century B.C.), #3 The Sabbath , #4 the roof tops, #5 The Judean wilderness , #6 The fig tree. From the references Jesus gave in the gospels , and in Revelation ( which is really The Revelation of Jesus Christ), we can figure out that #1 The Tribulation does not feature ,and is not about the "Christian Church" , it is about the nation of Israel and the terrible ordeal it will go through after the anti -christ betrays them three and a half years into a peace deal he brokered ( "the time of Jacob's trouble"). What Jesus was describing to his Jewish disciples ,who like all jews had the eternal question of when the glory of the Kingdom of Israel , Jerusalem and the temple ,would be restored, was the signs of the end for Israel . So Jesus gives them a warning about a figure who will appear as a false messiah to lead Jews astray...but one third of them will not be fooled and will escape ( says that in the O.T.).
Wow, thanks for contesting my comments, it's refreshing to find people passionate for the truth, I get a feeling I might be eating a little crow once I get through all the scriptures you sent. I've been expressing my belief's in other places too so it might be a few before I can answer or apologize
I believe there are trpes and shadows of things past present and future also many things Jesus did changed physical to spiritual. Gentiles are now spiritual Israel as in Jacob after the spirit.also we are now God's temple not one made of hands . It's going to take awhile to go through everything you texted but I will, thanks
@@paulwise6224 I'm your fellow believer just trying to give you a way to examine the scriptures yourself. Do I know everything? Of course not . I thank God that he never said you must understand everything before you can join him in eternity. Faith in Jesus Christ is what he asks of us. I also had to learn...and one of the best people I learned from was Dr. David Hocking through his youtube series on the entire books of Daniel and Revelation...chapter by chapter ...verse by verse. Dr. David Hocking has been teaching biblical prophecy for about 30 years. He is a believing Jew who taught Greek and understands Hebrew...and he knows what the Bible says because he considers all of it. He is an acquaintance of the former Israeli P.M. Benjamin Netanyahu, and he has been a guest speaker at the Israeli parliament. Plus , he goes to ancient middle eastern museums around the world and looks at artifacts that prove the historical existence of Israel and the truth of the Bible events. he is a very very knowledgeable person...and a true believer in Jesus Christ.
@@markanthony3275 the rabbi's really understand the scriptures better in so many ways, I don't question almost anything in the older versions , unfortunately I believe a little too much for a lot of Christians comfort. The prophecies are the statistical scientific proof of God five thousand times unless the secret societies are incredibly responsible
I don't find it particularly difficult to distinguish between "appearing" and "returning". Think of it like this: Let's say you were one of several groundskeepers of an estate and your master went off the property but was planning to return at a later point in time. During the day you were out working at the edge of the field and you saw your master far off in the distance. Suddenly one of his riders appeared on horseback and took you upon the horse. The other groundskeepers on the steps of the estate also briefly saw him in the distance and in an instant you and he rode off together over the horizon. That brief appearance in the distance does not constitute a return to the estate.
I still think it's interesting that Frank asks Jack to explain the difference between the Rapture and the 2nd Coming "according to premillenial dispensationalists." In other words, he's asking him to answer the question from one eschatological viewpoint. What if I were to tell you I knew exactly when Jesus would return? Many of you would classify me as a heretic. Yet if I explained myself this way, Jesus will return the exact moment according to the will of the Father. Not a moment sooner, ,not a moment later. Am I wrong?
@@hankdutton8896 Right! We can know that Jesus will only return when it's according to the Father's will, but what we cannot say is when that will be, although many have tried and failed.
You are correct. Also, since we don't know the time, the rapture must happen before the tribulation, otherwise we could figure out when it will happen. Be ready!
@@rockandsandapologetics7254 Revelation 3:3 (KJV): “Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.” Going by Revelation 3:3 we can know the hour of Jesus' return at the rapture if we are watching because it states that if we are NOT watching then we won't know the hour of his coming. The rapture of the Church is going to happen when the man of sin is revealed, the man of sin is the man that Satan is going to possess after the man of sin suffers a mortal head wound after ruling the first three and a half years of the Tribulation Period. The United Nations is building the kingdom of the anti-Christ, so it makes logical sense that the man of sin's reveal will very likely be him becoming leader of the United Nations. Once the man of sin becomes leader of the United Nations the rapture of the Church happens and then the man of sin will use the worldwide chaos that the rapture will cause to his advantage to seize worldwide power because no one can seize worldwide power without a worldwide disaster happening first, and the rapture of the Church will be that worldwide disaster for those left behind.
In reply to another commenter... Context is everything, considering the surrounding verses, chapter, book and entire Bible, and the fact that prophecy is not always linear from chapter to chapter, book to book. The temple has already been built. WE are the temple now (1 Corinthians 3:16-17, 6:14-18, Ephesians 2:19-22). The talk of rebuilding of a physical temple and the actual plans of some people to do so, is just distraction and misdirection from what scripture plainly says about believers being the temple. >Who stopped the sacrifice? Jesus/Yahshua stopped the sacrifice because he WAS the final sacrifice, as all previous sacrifices pointed to his ultimate sacrifice. (Hebrews 10:12) " But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God" >Who was the Messiah and when was he cut off? Jesus/Yahshua was the Messiah and he was the sacrifice that was cut off (crucified) midway (3.5 years) through Daniel's 70th week. To not understand this is to not fully understand the prophecy of the 70 weeks IN CONTEXT with the rest of scripture. Daniel 10 and 11 describe what would take place during that time, and Daniel 12 gives more information about the desolation of the Jews afterward in 70 A.D. >Has transgression finished for Israel? Context again. Daniel 9:24 is talking about the Messiah. "Seventy `sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy." Yahshua conquered ("put an end to" the power of) sin for all time. Who do you think was able to "atone for wickedness", "bring in everlasting righteousness", while also being "the most holy"????? The verse is screaming out that this is Yahshua. >Has sin ended? Again, see Daniel 9:24 >Who is the prince who came to destroy Jerusalem? Titus in 69-70AD, who ransacked Jerusalem >Who confirms the covenant for one week? Jesus/Yahshua confirmed the covenant, according to Galatians 3:17 - "The covenant which was confirmed before in Christ…”.
The Jews will build the temple, not Christians. And they are going to do it with the help of the Pope (false prophet). Christians know we don't need a temple.
I personally believe we're going to go through the tribulation. I would rather believe we're going to go through the tribulation so as to be prepared and be wrong than to believe I'll be raptured out before it happens and be wrong. If I'm wrong about going through the tribulation it won't effect my faith because I'll be with my Jesus. But if the rapture doesn't happen people who think they're going to be raptured out will have their faith shaken to the very core when they realize the tribulation is upon us and they weren't raptured out. Additionally if we're going to be here for the tribulation many thinking they will be raptured out will not be on their guard when the Mark of the Beast is rolled out they will not know it for what it is believing that we won't be here and so this cannot possibly be the Mark.
So God's word lied in thessalonians?? Believing that "current" believers,the church is going thru tribulation,is on a deeper level,more of you all just putting faith in yourself and your own works. He already let us know that we may not know the full measure of his love and how its hard for us to fathom but we are not appointed to his wrath. There are different times/dispensations.....this is of grace,the church saints,after the rapture its works....its really simple. The rapture and 2nd return are described differently,it should be obvious that they are different events. The words are not the same in description nor in time period. I don't see how ppl got confused,its 2 different events and it makes sense when interpreted and compared to other scripture and prophecy. Yall need to watch Dr Kim of the real Bible believer youtube channel. Thats why Jesus is our blessed hope....there's no hope in that,cmon...."encourage one another with these words",be encouraged brother.
@@aoyamiuriko5059 believing that we'll go through the tribulation isn't putting faith in ones self and ones own works; to do so would be to fall when that evil day comes. Rather believing that we'll be going through the tribulation means trusting that God will see is through and give us the strength to endure even unto death as He has seen many of our brothers and sisters through since the beginning of the church age. The strength and courage to endure even unto death for my dear Savior is something I already talk with my Jesus about. Christians going through the tribulation won't be facing God's wrath but rather the wrath of man. Revelation talks about God marking His faithful before bringing His wrath against a sinful world. The wrath believers will face during the tribulation is the wrath of man and Satan. To say believers being executed for their faith during the tribulation is receiving God's wrath is to say that all of God's faithful who have been martyred for their faith in Christ from the beginning of the church age even to this day; in which we have seen more believers dieing for their faith than during the days of Nero; died because of the wrath of God. What are you putting your hope in; the rapture or the finished work of Jesus Christ?
Strange, in my Bible it says that God sends a strong delusion on those 'left behind' after the Rapture, so that they believe the lie of Antichrist, because they have rejected the truth. Anyone left will be for judgement. The elect in the Tribulation are Jews.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 2nd Thessalonians 2 doesn't talk about those left behind receiving a strong delusion from God. It say those who have rejected the truth will receive a strong delusion from God.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 when you interpret biblical passages on the end times you should do so in light of Jesus' own words in Matthew 24 where He tells us Immediately after the distress of those days (the tribulation) "the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give it's light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angles with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
2 Thessalonians 2 says that our gathering together with Christ will not be until there is a falling away first (the great apostasy of the church), and that that man of sin who exalts himself, sit in the place he should not, in the temple claiming to be above all that is called God, And that Christ Yahshua at his coming will destroy him. Revelation 2:10-11 "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. 20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. 21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. - Isaiah 26:18-21 The *_ONLY_* way to be sheltered from this is to do so before the indignation is poured out. It makes no sense to shelter from an indignation that is past. *This resurrection*, invitation and sheltering take place before the LORD pours out his wrath. Watch ... for you known not the hour ...
Absolutely. Paul seems to take his time line from Jesus' teaching in Matt 24 which states that the "gathering together" will occur "Immediately after" the tribulation. In fact, there isn't a single verse in the Bible to support the pre-tribulation rapture that most pastors falsely teach.
@@mephi654 these Isaiah verses are not about the tribulation of Satan, they're about God's wrath being poured out like in Revelation 16:1 Read the next chapter of Isaiah It talks about God defeating Satan God's wrath, and Satan's tribulation are not the same thing. Satan's tribulation on the world happens before God's wrath is poured out I am saying that we don't fly away from Satan's Tribulation ... Also it says hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast That doesn't sound like leaving anywhere, it sounds like staying put. ... Also God says MY PEOPLE I believe this is talking about Israel, Not just the church.
@@civilization57 No...the entire Bible supports pre trib...right from the salvation from judgement of Adam and Eve when God shed the blood of animals to cover their sin and make them clothing...to the ark that saved Noah and his family, to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ...we are all saved from the WRATH of GOD...and what is the Tribulation? The WRATH of GOD. Even the sinners both great and small call it the WRATH of GOD when they say at the start of the Tribulation " it is the wrath of God and who can stand?" There doesn't have to be a single verse...ALL the verses support pre-trib. Stop looking at one tiny knot on one branch of one tree in the forest...look at the forest instead.
Gyeah boi! We are waiting to be caught up! Til then we are catching fish and producing good fruit!!! Yes, driven to heaven by Jesus himself and forever will be with him
Paul talks about the same Day of the Lord in his epistles as Christ and the prophets who came before him did too. Paul also talks of another day that only he speaks of, he calls it the day of Christ or "that day" - 1 Corinthians 1.8, 3.13, 5.5; 2 Corinthians 1.14; Philippians 1.6, 10, 2.16; 2 Timothy 1.18, 4.8. Compare it to the "day of the lord". The day of the lord will be a day of judgment for rejectors of Christ, a day of earthly despair to be feared and dreaded. The day of Christ will be a day of blessing and reward for the Body of Christ, a heavenly hope to be eagerly anticipated. Do they sound like the same day ?
1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with a resurrection. There is only one resurrection (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6). Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection (v. 37). The wicked are unaware (Matt 34:39a), then there is a flash of light and we leave our flesh on earth (Luke 17:37). Everybody knows when the second coming is near (Rev 6:15-17). Zech 14:16 shows some of the wicked come to belief at the second coming.
It’s nice to see so many people in the comments understand the pre-trib rapture isn’t scriptural. And there is no separation of Jew and Gentile. Paul said in Romans that salvation in Messiah grafts you in. Specifically, you’re grafted into the house of Israel. We are all ONE body in Messiah. We all get to experience the same judgments and blessings.
This is referring to dispensationalism which teaches that the Church Age comes to an end and God focusses on the people of Jerusalem, because He still has His Covenant with them. The Covenant that is mentioned in the Book of Daniel. This Covenant was between Him and the Jews. Jerusalem is the land of the Jews as God the Landlord has declared it.
@@solaceboy Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) 10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
New people get saved every second. They will continue to after the rapture. Most will be people who knew the bible but rejected it and the rapture will be a massive miracle. Then the two witnesses, the 144,000, the angels telling the world the gospel and warning not to take the mark, there will be MANY NEW CHRISTIANS AFTER THE RAPTURE! aswell as the JEWS who finally repent!
Two witness,lampstands and olive trees, Jewish and gentile believers, we are grafted to the Jewish tree and believing Jews become lampstands, churches, witnesses, three days equals three years then the resurrection of the dead we all dead bones rise up. Millions of believers, witnesses, will be slaughtered and left for years, buckle up rapture fantisisers
Ten virgins waiting in darkness,no more witnessing, rapture believers brought no oil, margaritas don't count, the eyes are the lamp of the soul, real, food and spiritual, gifts and inner peace, are our fuel oil
We know he will tarry,we know there will be no buying or selling or hospitals without the mark, just make sensible preparations. Come out of her my people lest the suffer her plagues
Hey Frank, I know we’re not appointed to God’s wrath and I leaned toward the pre-trib rapture, but it always bugged me that Mt24:15, 2 Thes 2:1-4 states that that day shall not come until the Antichrist is revealed. Also Re 7:9-17 the multitude seems to be the church once the 6th seal is broken. I know you probably get alot questions hope to hear your view on this!
The saints are somewhat protected from God's wrath (sealed) but totally subject to the beast's wrath. "And authority was given him over the saints to make war against the saints and to overcome them. To sword and to prison." Frank forgot about that passage. And how can the beast make war against us if we are in heaven, with a cold drink in our hands?
@@civilization57 pre-trib rapture and trinity dogma only serves the antichrist. Because those believing in that can be manipulated by the antichrist that will sit in jerusalem and will say he is god ( jeus would never sy that ). Trinitarian can believe the antichrist is jesus, and he will do miracles also...so they can fall for it. And since they think they don’t undertand the antichrist must come first the rapture, they are totally blind
Read Ezekiel 8/9 as a representative for being sealed. As were the Hebrews covered and protected from the angel of death in Egypt by the blood of the lamb.
Tribulation is not the same as wrath. We are appointed unto tribulation. Read 1 Thess. 3:3-4. But we are not appointed unto wrath. Post trib pre wrath is the right view.
The method and timeline that God chooses to employ for Christ’s return is His business not ours. Simply be ready and stop trying to put the Almighty into a box. With all respect 🙂
When Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Zechariah, Jesus, Paul, Peter and John all teach about the last days, I think it is only fair for us to study the last days and draw some conclusions. I mean, why else is there so much scripture devoted to the subject?
Hi John. That’s fair. I would only caution about being dogmatic on one interpretation versus another. And not let the end times be the sum total of your Christian identity and experience. It’s enough for me to know that the Lord will return. Peace to you.
ROFL, Boss Music I agree, we'll find out when events unfold. I do believe in a pre-tribulation catching away of the church, because we are not appointed unto wrath, and the tribulation is God's wrath being poured out on the world. Also, we must stand at the judgement seat of Christ, have the marriage supper of the Lamb, and per Jude - He will return with thousand thousand of His saints. How can we return with Him if we are not already with Him? But, back to your point; I hear people say they want to ask Paul why this or that... I'm like, I'll be with Jesus my Savior, it won't matter why Paul did or did not do something the way we think it should have been done.
I've heard many preachers, wrongfully say that the Rapture takes place in Revelation 4, but you're the first one to push it back to chapters 2 and 3 where it does NOT mention the rapture of the church. It mentions the state of each church and what would happen if He should come then. Be careful not to add or take away from what is said in the vision.
The air is ANYWHERE above the ground. There does not seem to be a height of the air. Clouds can come lower to the ground, not just in the sky. Aint nobody leaving the earth if a new Jerusalem is coming here 🤷🏽♂️
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man is to come in the glory of HIS Father (Jehovah) with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior. Ephesians 1:17 that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
@@sevensickszero8966 For anyone who disputes your statement: Who comes on the Day of the Lord? Who else is called Almighty besides God? Whose image are we made in, if not Jesus', who has created all things besides God (Revelation 4:11 and Hebrews 1), The Word is God (John 1 and Genesis 1 (Revelation 19:13)), Who else is I AM that comes before Abraham and is greater than Moses? (Exodus 3:14, John 8:58, and Hebrews 3:3) and a few others 1 Timothy 3:16, Philippians 2:6
That is not true. No rapture in the bible, can you prove it with the bible?, show the verses and do not speculate. There is only one event. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. ...... 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT (not in secret), with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God (not in secret): and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (picking up people) 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (this is the coming of Jesus Christ) ....... Behold, he cometh with CLOUDS; and every EYE shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (This is the coming of Jesus Christ. ...... 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his COMING. (It is clear the coming as the verse says will have trumpets, loud sounds brightness, and destruction) You can see mattew 24 were it says we will be picked up after the tribulation ....... For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the ELECT's sake those days shall be shortened. AND FINALLY AND SUPER CLEAR. 29 IMMEDIATELY after the TRIBULATION (NOT BEFORE AS YOU SAY) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER together his ELECTS from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. ANY QUESTION? IT IS THE SAME EVENT NO RAPTURE.
2 Seperate EVENTS:*** *#1)Rapture-* Jesus *COMING* in the Clouds with Great *****GLORY***** and GATHERING His Church, feet not touching the earth, **Matt.**24:30**-31** *#2)"2nd Coming"-* Jesus riding a white horse *COMING* with the Armies of heaven and WRATH/DESTRUCTION, **Rev.19:11-21** NO SCRIPTURES show Jesus coming in the Clouds at PRE TRIBULATION. *These are the 2nd Coming:* Rev.19:11-21 Rev.16:17-21 vs15 as a THIEF Rev.14:17-20 Pre Trib is false.
But they happen on the same day. Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
Unknown deleted their first post so that it would delete my reply. What a nice fellow! So I will just repost it here. And Tony, you are right! Two different events! Some other pieces that point to "two separate events". All the verses describing the rapture are being spoken to gentiles, not Jews, because Jews are not raptured, as they do not believe yet. All the verses describing the rapture are separate, and are not together with verses describing the return of Christ. At the rapture Jesus himself receives us in the clouds with the trumpet of God. Yet, at Christs return it's angels with trumpets and Angels who are gathering us. That is significant. The rapture is described as Jesus meeting us in the clouds and taking us to heaven, to a place he has been preparing for us. How can that be if the rapture is at his return, when we all stay here on earth to enter into the Millennial Kingdom? Elders often represent the church. Could the 24 elders seen in the beginning of Revelation be us the church? We know at some point in time we get crowns in heaven. These elders in revelation, washed clean in white robes, have crowns on their heads, who then later give them to Jesus. And these elders sing a song of redemption. Something to think about. Christs return is described as a time of revenge, and judgment. The rapture is described as comfort. Scriptures tell us we are not destined to the wrath of God. Scripture tells us we will escape the hour of testing that will come upon the whole earth. The Whole entire Tribulation is God's judgement. Not just the second half. This is clear with each seal He opens, God is granting something or giving something over to the Anti-Christ. Jesus is in control of unleashing the anti-Christ from the very first seal. And only He can open the seals. That is judgement directly from God starting from the very beginning of the tribulation. Being a believer, I know that we are washed clean of our sin, we are already forgiven. Like Scripture says, we are found blameless in the eyes of God. So God has no reason to judge us. He already knows our hearts, he chose us before he created the foundation of the earth. If I were to die today I would go straight to heaven, I would not be tested or judged first. The bible describes the tribulation as a time for unbelievers, "Jacobs Trouble". (The unbelieving Jews) And during this time the Jews will be saved. They will come to believe, and they will mourn and grieve as one mourns for a lost son. They will realize they were wrong, it was them who pierced Jesus and put him to death, and they will be saved. There is no need for us to be there. If we are suppose to be punished by God's judgement then why is there so much advise in the bible for the Jews who become believers during the tribulation, but yet no advice for the church? Those who become Christians during the tribulation are told what to do, what not to do, the holy spirit is working overtime within them, helping them to go through being martyred, speaking for them, etc.. as if the holy spirit has taken over their mind. But no advice for the church. Then right after the 6th seal there are 144 thousand believing Jews who are given a seal of protection from God. Every single one of those 144k come out of the tribulation uninjured and alive. It sounds to me like God didn't even want them to be there after they became believers! But I believe they are there to spread the gospel because most the church got raptured. This also debunks a mid-trib rapture at the 6th seal, because obviously the 144 believers are still there right after the 6th seal. Lastly, the rapture is describes as us all getting new immortal bodies. These new bodies cannot reproduce. So if the rapture is at the end, and every single believer left on the earth gets new bodies, and every single unbeliever who is left, is killed, then who populates the millennial kingdom? What mortal, reproducing, believers will there be to enter into the Kingdom? Because there is obviously people dying and having children in the Kingdom. The answer is, there is no rapture at Christs coming, because it already took place. Those believers who survive the tribulation go straight into the millennial Kingdom the way they are and they reproduce. I don't believe "unknown's" theory, as it's pretty "Unknown" to the bible. : )
“If you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). Now is the time to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Obey His commands and repent of your sins because Jesus is coming back soon. Tomorrow isn’t promised.
@HANUNIJA please stop pedaling channels that promote false teachings, peniel ngonde repeatedly posts videos of false prophets, and unbiblical nonsense, just like what you've listed in your thread here. "no earings", well the bible disagrees, an awl was put through the ears of willing permanent indentured servants or slaves in the old testament, as a sign that they were the masters forever, as well as that i believe it was abrahams wife sarah who had a ring put through her nose to symbolise her marriage with abraham.... no fake fingernails? not in scripture whatsoever, women are called to be modest, it merely comes down to interpretation as to what would be considered modest or immodest at that point, which we should rely on the bibles description of, none of which to my knowledge reference fake nails. plenty of Godly women in the bible wear jewelry, in fact God even commanded the israelites to take with them all the gold jewelry from the Egyptians when they were fleeing captivity, please read your bible. "do not go to any church" the bible (Gods holy word) repeatedly tells us to convene as the body of Christ, obviously we shouldn't go to any churches that have beliefs contrary to scripture, or any that we perceive to be contrary to scripture, for example i don't currently attend a church, because i haven't found one which aligns with my beliefs on several key issues. i agree with no tattoos personally, as it was listed as something which God didn't seem to like, and commanded the israelites not to get them or cut marks in their flesh for the dead. "no short trousers, and no t shirts with short sleeves" i guess you have ZERO idea of how people used to dress in the times the bible was written, add to that that nowhere in scripture does it mention anything about not having sleeves, shorts, etc. i agree that roman catholocism is lost and steeped in idolatry. But please, READ YOUR BIBLE, much of the stuff you've posted here is NONSENSE, UNBIBLICAL, and FALSE TEACHING, please repent to the Lord thy God my brother, as we all have to when we stumble, stop believing in FALSE teachers, and DOCTRINES OF DEVILS, like the false prophets peniel ngonde puts on his channel, as far as the vaccine goes, i certainly won't be taking it under any circumstances. God bless you and keep you. i pray you see the light.
I love Frank's ministry and believe that he's doing great work for the kingdom. BUT, the rapture is just not in scripture anywhere. I pray that he will consider open discussion about what the Holy Bible "really" says.
The rapture IS in scripture. Rapture means “to be caught up” and it says the dead in Christ and then the living will be caught up to the clouds. How can you miss that?
@@sandina2cents779 Fair point. To be clear, I was taking exception to the popular belief in a "pre-trib" rapture. I think any clear reading of 1Thes 4:17 teaches us that the events described there are the final Resurrection at Christ's second coming. A time when we will rise to meet Him "in the air" so we can join Him in His triumphal return to earth to make all things new. That's the "rapture" I believe in. I think it's good to study and debate these ideas but we should not be divided over them. To God be the glory.
@@chriscarlson2165 oh, I agree. I believe in a post rapture as well and that it is an in-house debate not a salvation issue. When I read your comment It said the rapture is not there (at all) is how I read it. Thank you for the clarification and for responding.
Thanks for such great insights. I am only wondering now about 2Peter 3:10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives. So my question is, how do you reconcile 2Peter 3:10-11? Thanks!
Pre-millenialists would say Peter is describing the end of the millennium. Peter was an amillenialist. Paul was a post-tribber. Jesus was a pre-tribber. 1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with a resurrection. There is only one resurrection (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6). Jesus said in Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection (v. 37). The wicked are unaware (Matt 34:39a), then there is a flash of light and we leave our flesh on earth (Luke 17:37). Everybody knows when the second coming is near (Rev 6:15-17). Just because Peter didn't describe everything doesn't make him wrong.
You misunderstood the scripture. The church will be raptured to be with Christ in the air before the tribulation and when Jesus returns with His glory which is the second coming of Christ we will be with Him when He returns. Those who believe will miss nothing.
Well fortunately, we will come down together with Jesus to the earth, that's when Jesus will reign as king on the earth for a 1000 years. So technically you will only miss the 3.5 years of tribulations :P
Pastor Jack Hibbs seems to be one of the many that are confused about the Lords 2nd coming| Pastor Jack, Jesus comes back TWICE during Daniels 70th week, once at the end of the Tribulation at the day of the Lord the 6th seal in the CLOUDS to gather the dead in Christ and all those that remain then 42 months later at the end of the 7th seal, Jesus returns the 2nd time, this time with all the saints and the Lords feet touch the earth Zechariah 14:5 "...the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee" The Tribulation is 3.5 years or 1335 days from the 1st seal to the 6th seal the END of the Tribulation hence the Rapture Matthew 24:29-31The 2nd time the Lord comes back towards the end of the 7th seal at the 6th Trumpet 6th Vial just prior to the destruction of Mystery Babylon THENRevelation 11:15
The following proves you are correct. I was also disappointed to see Frank embrace this recent man-made doctrine. The pretrib doctrine is required by Dispensational Theology to get the Church off the planet so that God can go back and deal with Israel under the Old Covenant system. It is not found in the Bible. Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ? (Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30) The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations? 1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8) 2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ? 3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds? 4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh? 5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers? 6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"? 7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost? 8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.) 9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9) 10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church. Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology. Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.” Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107. Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.” Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323. John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated… "...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.” John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.) What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16? Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth? Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups? Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13? Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
Part 1/2 You are free to believe whatever you want, however, Christians today have a tendency to be arrogant while being ignorant and can easily believe things that aren’t biblical. First, There are a number of early church writings that we have on this topic. It’s not a “new idea” Here are 2 from the first and 2nd Century. -Church father Irenaeus wrote in the mid-second century. He was taught under Polycarp, the disciple of the Apostle John, and occasionally saw the Apostle John. Irenaeus wrote a five-volume work entitled “Against Heresies” against the cults of his day. In this work he described the rapture of the church as pre-tribulational, refuting those who said there will be no physical resurrection. The church will be caught up, or raptured, then the seven-year tribulation will occur. “When in the end that church will suddenly be caught up from this, then it is said, ‘There will be tribulation such as not been since the beginning, nor will be.’” Irenaeus “Against Heresies 5.29 Another excerpt Another is Ephraim 373 AD “…because all saints and the elect of the LORD are gathered together before the Tribulation which is about to commence be taken to the LORD…” On the Last Times 2-Ephraim the Syrian 373 AD Second, forget the term Rapture for a moment, and let's read the Bible. If we read Jesus' words in john 14:1-3 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also." The question is when will Jesus do this? If this is what He's promised when does it happen? We see in the text Jesus has prepared a place (mansions/rooms) for us but they are not on earth. They are in His Father's house. Where is that? I conclude it's Heaven. So when does Jesus come and receive us to Himself and take us to Heaven? People say the 2nd Coming. Let's take a look at that. Zechariah 14. Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two, From east to west, verse 5b Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You. verse And the Lord shall be King over all the earth. (Where? Heaven? No Earth) In that day it shall be- “The Lord is one,” And His name one. 16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the [i]punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. So the question is has this happened yet? I don't believe so. It sounds a lot like the New Testament description of the 2nd Coming in Revelation 19:11-16. So if Zechariah is about the 2nd Coming then it clearly says Jesus will come to earth and reign 16 "And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles." So when does Jesus come and gather us and take us to Heaven if He comes and reigns on earth at His 2nd Coming? There's also another set of questions. In Romans 5:8-9 it says 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. In 1 Thessalonians 5:9 it says 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, Paul also references a term called the "day of the LORD" in these chapters. In 1 Thess 5:1-3 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 2 Thess 2:1-4 Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit, or a message, or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above [e]every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God. So what is the "day of the LORD"? Zephaniah 1:14-18 says The great day of the Lord is near; It is near and hastens quickly. The noise of the day of the Lord is bitter; There the mighty men shall cry out. 15 That day is a day of wrath, A day of trouble and distress, A day of devastation and desolation, A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, 16 A day of trumpet and alarm Against the fortified cities And against the high towers. 17 “I will bring distress upon men, And they shall walk like blind men, Because they have sinned against the Lord; Their blood shall be poured out like dust, And their flesh like refuse.” 18 Neither their silver nor their gold Shall be able to deliver them In the day of the Lord’s wrath; But the whole land shall be devoured By the fire of His jealousy, For He will make speedy riddance Of all those who dwell in the land." So because Paul wrote about the "Day of the LORD" we can assume that Zephaniah 1 hadn't happened yet. So does the Bible tell us when God's Wrath will come on the Earth? Revelation 6:15-17 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?” Revelation 15:1 says "Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete." Continued in Part 2.
Haw, there'll be a lot of 'apologetics' from all these lead mutton, whence they denounce the 'Rapture'; consider a big company like Chick Tracts having to issue a tract, 'Oopsie~! Rapture Wrong: My Bad' Lots of tears aflowing, but at least after the blubbering dies down, and sniffles, the church can rejoice, Midnight Cry of Matthau 25 sounds, the Ten Virgins Awaken, and God willing the church will have spiritual power prior to the pre-Tribulation flight. GTGTG und God bless
And this is the will of Him that sent Me: that every one who seeth the Son and believeth in Him may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the Last Day.” John 6:40 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1 Thessalonians 4:15+16 The caught up event and the resurrection are the same event, which will take place at the coming of the lord on the last day.
This is why I don't believe ... Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 says that all are changed in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST trumpet. 1 Corinthians 15:55 thus will fulfill the saying O death where is thy sting? etc. Paul is quoting Hosea 13:14 (It's exact in the Greek Septuagint) It's about Israel's resurrection. So what Paul is doing is telling Christians (who were gentiles (Corinthians)) That they and Israel would be resurrected at the same time. (NOT at different times) ... Why in 2 Thessalonians 2 would Paul tell the Thessalonians (who are gentiles) that THEY would be seeing the man of sin? It says when YOU see the man of sin. (the same thing that Christ Jesus told the disciples (Matthew 24:15)) If the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is correct, the Thessalonians (being formerly gentles, and members of the Church) would be gone three years before the man of sin is revealed. Making Paul tell them something that shouldn't matter to them, and that doesn't make sense. ... Paul says that Christ does not come to us as a thief in the night (but in light). 1 Thessalonians 5:4 "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief." (Only those who abide in darkness will be overtaken like as if by a thief.) As Jesus said in Matthew 24, and Luke 21 Blessed is the man found working when I return (NOT the man asleep, and drunk). (Paul makes it clear Christ Jesus only comes as a thief to those drunk, and asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4 has no time indication that implies pre-tribulation rapture. Though It is connected to scripture that implies otherwise. Pauls says with the shout of the archangel He knew this from Daniel 12 when Michael stands up Paul also says that Christ Jesus brings the dead with him when he returns Daniel 12 says that Daniel will stand at the END OF DAYS (when ALL his prophecies are fulfilled) ... Warning us of false christ's in the end times close to his return (Matthew 24) Christ Jesus said that he has told us all things. The doctrine of pre-tribulation rapture makes Jesus out to be a lair! Teaching that Paul taught a new mystery about the return of Christ, when Christ said that he had already told us all things. The mystery in 1 Corinthians 15 wasn't new information, but was a mystery in that THEY did not know that the people who are alive at the end will also be changed at his coming, like the dead. This was not something that was new to people familiar with scripture, but was only new information to these people at Corinth, being ignorant of verses like Zechariah 14:12, 1 John 3:2, Philippians 3:21, Isaiah 65:17, and Job 19:26 ("yet in my flesh" would be better translated as "out of my flesh", "without my flesh", or "away from my flesh.") also Paul had just prepped them about it in 1 Corinthians 15:50 It's worth noting that Paul says to them I SHOW YOU a mystery, not THE LORD SHOWS YOU a mystery (because YHVH had already shown people this through his word) Also Paul says I show YOU, not I show ALL people. (all people have already been made privy to this information through the rest of scripture, the scriptures that the people of Corinth were unaware of, making it necessary for Paul to teach by showing what was a mystery to THEM. ... The great falling away in 2 Thessalonians 2 (Greek apostasy - to leave the truth) Can only be committed by Christians, for Christians are the only ones with truth. Everyone else already worships Satan through false religions and idols. They can't fall away from the truth because they don't have any truth to fall away from. Apostasy is the giving up of ones faith. Faith is the evidence of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1) again Faith is the evidence of things NOT seen. If this doctrine is correct, and a pre-tribulation rapture takes place. The people left on earth who believe in Jesus after his rapture, would not be believing in faith, for they have seen the rapture, they would be believing because they have seen, which is not faith. This makes it impossible for them to commit apostasy, because you need faith to commit apostasy. You can only have faith if you haven't seen. They only have belief through seeing, and not belief through faith. John 20:29 "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed" Again people who believe in Jesus after the rapture cannot commit the great apostasy, You need to have belief through faith to commit apostasy, not belief because you have seen. That would only leave the Elect (since the church has been raptured in this doctrine) to commit the great apostasy, which they will never do. (Matthew 24:22) This is why there has to be non-elect members of the church (who already have faith without seeing) to be on earth during the tribulation. Because they are the only ones who can commit apostasy. Not the Elect, Not people who believe after the rapture, But real Christians, with faith, going through the tribulation. (the churches in Revelations who Christ Jesus warns to stay loyal to the end.) ... ... P.S. the ones kept from the hour of temptation (the elect), have the seal of God, causing them to not find the temptation tempting, but to be an abomination. John 17:15 "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil." ... In my father's house are many mansions and where I go I prepare a place for you and where I am you will be is not about rapture, Ephesians 2 says we abode already there because we are in him. Ephesians 2:6 "and God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the Heavenly realms in Christ Jesus," ... 2:19-22 "Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy Temple in the Lord. And in Him you too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit. ... 2 Thessalonians 2 Our gathering up with Christ will not be until there be a falling away first (the great apostasy of the church), and that the man of sin will sit in the place he ought not, claiming to be God. And Christ Jesus will destroy him at his coming. Revelation 2:10-11 "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death." (Delivered to "death", the son of perdition, another name for Satan, Apollyon/Abaddon, all these mean death basically, it's his name.) ... The positive side of this is that the mark of the beast is not the unpardonable sin, and those who commit apostasy have opportunity to repent, The Holy Spirit witnesses through the elect, People who hear can repent, and be saved, coming out of great tribulation. Revelation 7:14, (22:14) "... These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." People with the mark will receive wrath. Just as thieves do not inherit the Kingdom. But at no point does it say that God takes away His grace during the tribulation. If they repent, their sin is blotted out, Making them white as snow, never having taken the mark. The thief is no longer a thief and David is no longer a murderer for what happened to Uriah the Hittite. //////////// The Church of Philadelphia is kept from the hour of temptation (not tribulation) Like Daniel's three friends They were kept from being burned (temptation) But not kept out of the furnace (tribulation) 2 Peter 2:9 "The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:"
As someone who believes that scripture plainly says that the rapture happens as the Lord returns, I was honestly hoping this video might sway me (because who doesn't want to believe in a pre-trib rapture?), but I was very disappointed. He really provides no actual evidence, just more of the same reading between the lines of scripture. I do try not to argue with people about this, but as this video is going to reach a lot of people, I feel like I've got to to say something--in love--dispensationalists and pre-tribbers in general read so much into the text of the Bible that isn't explicitly written, and not just in the prophetic books (where it might be warranted). On the rapture, every verse about the rapture either does not explicitly distinguish itself from the Day of the Lord, directly references the Day of the Lord, or in the case of that first Thessalonians verse he referenced, when it says we shall be caught up in the air, it literally says that that will happen "*at the last trump*"! Also, I just don't understand how people can read Jesus' words in Matthew 24 and read into the text that "well, that must only be for the Jews who are left on Earth after the rapture"--it just kills me. Jesus did not say that. He says very plainly, "After the tribulation of those days, I will return with my angels, with the sound of the trumpet, and I will gather my elect" (paraphrasing)--where is the irrefutable proof in scriptures that by "elect", he secretly was only referring to post-rapture believers or Jews? Jesus nor the apostles explicitly reference a separate event, the church fathers did not believe it was a separate event, so why do we? The church not being explicitly referenced after Revelation chapter 4 again, is reading into the text, it's actually reeeeally reaching there, and in light of the other scriptures, likely is coincidental. I'm sorry, I really tried to believe a pre-trib rapture, but it's just not in there, folks. I listen to some pastors and teachers whom I highly respect and who are otherwise very theologically and doctrinally sound who believe this, and for me the only explanation is that they're interpreting scripture through a lens of fear of the tribulation (which is understandable). If this is you, I want to encourage you to really look at the scriptures and do some introspection, make sure you're not reading things into the text that aren't there, don't just believe what your favorite pastor or teacher says on it, really read the scriptures. In the parable of the foolish bridesmaids, half of the bridesmaids were not expecting the groom to be delayed, so they neglected to bring enough oil to get them through the dark night--don't let that be you. Jesus and the apostles ask us to live *in expectation* of His return, but that does not mean that the rapture will be totally random. It will happen as Jesus said in Matthew 24. The scriptures teach us that while we will not know the day or the hour of His return, we will know the season, which is why Jesus teaches us what events will be surrounding His return. The scriptures are clear: we will be raptured as He returns, after the events described in Matthew 24. Stay in the Word, stay in prayer, stay in church, stay in fellowship with God and other believers, so that you will be prepared to go through tribulation! ❤️
Just to make you scratch your head, I want to recommend Torah Family's video on the church of Philadelphia. Definitely worth your time! Actually, a lot of his video's leave me scratching my head! In a good way!!!
Courtney, I too used to believe in the pre trib. But I only believed it because I had my favorite teachers teach about it, but as so much confusion went on and debates I watched about the two grew more disturbing, I decided to ask the holy spirit to reveal to me the truth, I studied as he guided me, and yes, there's no escaping, all through, scriptures are telling us blessed is who shall endure till the end, for he shall be saved, christians have always faced persecution, watch the period of the dark ages documentary, christians in Nigerians, christians in India, Coptic christians in Egypt, the Uganda Martyrs etc, the apostles all went through tribulation, where was there rapture? What makes u special? Yes we will be here during the times, but God has promised never to abandon us, he was with the Israelites in the desert and provided for them, there was no rapture for them their, he was with Mesach, Shadrach and Abednego, in the fire, the fired just didn't burn them but they where not raptured out, he put Noah in the arc while the floods went on, Noah was not snatched out of the earth, he was with Daniel in the lion's den, the lions didn't touch him, Daniel was not raptured out, So we will be on earth 🌎, but remember this, and Carry it with u, even when those times come,👇 1He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. Psalms 91 The Lord will make us strong, and we will not feel the toughness of the time, like Steven did, he smiled as they stoned him. Stay blessed.
Revelation 5:7 At once the lamb (Jesus) came forward and took the scroll out of the RIGHT HAND of the One seated on the throne (JEHOVAH). Revelation 7:10 And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”- Please Share The Truth :)
@@choosejesus1910 you choose Jesus but are uncapable of listening to him or loving him: John14:24 Whoever does not love me does not observe my words. The word that you are hearing is not mine, but belongs to the Father who sent me
Matthew 24 Luke 21 mark 13 the end off the age Jesus was talking about his day because of all that prediction he says all these things will happen before this generation passes away he was talking about the generation he was living in and I believe John was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. in the book of revelations.
“Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?” John 14:8-9 KJV
The Rapture isn't Biblical, and the Second Coming is. The Rapture doctrine was created only around 1830 in Scotland, never having been referred to in any written word in the Bible or other Christian texts before then. It then spread to Protestant Christianity mainly in America, but it is not Biblically sound, only being based on a few scriptures taken out of context, and flies in the face of Jesus' prophetic word found in Revelations.
Agreed, a rapture or catching away at the moment of Christ’s return however, is and is how I believe Paul describes it in Thessalonians as one event. The problem is we as a Church have developed an escapist mentality for too long rather than an overcoming mentality. Either way, the return of Jesus is what we all agree on and if we escape the tribulation or not is a secondary issue.
@HANUNIJA I took the vaccine and still love Jesus with all my heart! Agreed that no one should be forced against their will to take the vaccine and that we should pray without ceasing! God bless,
The pre-tribulation rapture of the Church must happen in order to put an end to the preaching of Paul's gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) otherwise the two witnesses will be accursed for preaching the gospel of the Kingdom during the first three and a half years of the Tribulation Period. Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom during his Earthly ministry and stated that it would be preached before the end comes and what did the gospel of the Kingdom state in it according to Jesus? It stated that you must endure until the end to get saved which fits in with having to deal with the Mark Of The Beast system that will occur during the Tribulation Period. When one believes (trusts) Paul's gospel (1 Corinthains 15:1-4) they are saved the moment they believe (trust) the gospel (1 Corinthains 15:1-4). Such a thing proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the gospel of the Kingdom and the gospel that Paul preached are not the same gospel. Everything that I stated above is in the bible revealing the clear fact that a pre-Tribulation rapture of the Church is going to happen.
Let us humble ourselves and heed the example of the Pharasees. They too had prophecies. And in their self-righteousness and arrogance, they were so convinced THEY knew THEY had unlocked the secrets. They ALONE had the RIGHT answers. They KNEW what He would be about. OOPS!!!
Even non-believers are hooked on end of the world, rapture and mark of the beast stuff but nobody is repenting and taking Jesus seriously. "First seek the Kingdom of God".
Revelation 1:9 9 I, John, your brother and fellow participant in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
Mr Hibbs is spot on and is correct, imo. Personally, when it comes to eschatology, I've researched many of the dominant positions. In regards to the rapture, etc. , pre tribulation rapture simply makes the most sense. A few months ago I was on the fence in regards to preterism, but I've pulled back, as I think you have to infer a lot into certain passages when it comes to the application of apocalyptic language. As far as Post Mill, etc., I believe you have to ignore huge chuncks of scripture or force things into text that don't fit. You can't just explain away a third temple-which Preterist do by, imo, revisionist history, you can't just explain away a one world government, millions of people being killed in droves, constellations as we know them being shaken, conflicts between particular nations. Scripture is just too explicit about certain things.
Then I believe you have a cogent explanation as to why Christianity for most of its history didn't believe in a pre-trib rapture. May you be so kind as to give us the reason?
@@SerendipitousProvidence Conjecture. The early church did not agree 100 percent on these matters. Even if I did concede that, scripture takes precedence over church fathers. The Apostles _themselves_ believed in pre trib, as was the point of my comment. It's the only thing that makes sense. People tend to use hyperbole when using the early church as something to refute what scripture actually says.
During the time of the two witnesses they are ministering during the last 3 1/2 years and then they are killed and then raptured and at that same time is when the church is raptured. It is true that we will not experience God wrath but did you know that Satan has wrath too and he is released and he makes war against the saints. So who are the saints. The saints is the church.
Tribulation is already happening, around the world our brothers and sisters are being persecuted and going through great trials. Let’s pray to persevere and not grow weary. Come Lord Jesus- even so come!
This channel needs to be focusing on the scriptures and not someone elses opinions or believes. Stop adding or taking away from the bible people. Its sad when these woke pastors get on here and lead people astray. Read your bible and ask God to reveal the word to you and Stop trusting what someone else says.
When Jesus comes the SECOND time He will appear to those who look for Him and love Him. Hebr 9:28. This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.( Second time.Acts 1:11.) Immediately after the tribulation Jesus shall appear from Heaven. (SECOND TIME) Matt. 24:29-30. When Jesus comes the second time He will descent from Heaven and we will meet Him in the air.( 1Thes 4:16). When Jesus comes the second time we will be gathering together unto Him.(2 Thes 2:1). When Jesus comes the second time He will come in flaming fire and vengeance to those unbelievers who had fallen away from the truth and then Jesus will be glorified in his saints in that day.(2Thes 1:8,10). Before Jesus comes the second time a falling away from the truth must take place for the antichrist to be revealed.(2Thes 2:3) When Jesus comes the second time He will destroy the antichrist with the brightness of His coming and those who had fallen away from the truth..(2Thes 2:8,10). Nobody is going to disappear (raptured) before Jesus comes the second time.
You are 100% correct. Pre-Trib rapture doctrine was invented in the 1800's and has risen to popularity because it makes Christianity easy. Same with the Prosperity Doctrine and Word of Faith.
It is good to note that the book of Revelations was meant to be a circular letter. Meant to be passed to the 7 churches mentioned in Revelation. Whenever you interpret scripture, you have to ask. Who was this written to and why. Revelation is actually an Greek word denoting a revealing of something, an uncovering and so the larger question is, what is Jesus trying to uncover for his church, first, to the original audience and then to us, believers today
The start of the book is the letters, then the revelations start. Each church had specific words directed to them, alongside the same revelation to all 7.
Inevitably this has lead to a pre/post rapture debate. I've all but stopped taking part but what bothers me is how nearly everyone can be so dogmatic about what they believe and question others about whether they are "rightly dividing the word" I think this verse is being extremely misused. They are basically saying I'm right and your wrong because your not understanding properly.
I'm just going to throw this out there. The pre trib rapture doesn't exist within scripture. I've looked personally and it ain't there. The whole thing started in 1827, not with the apostles, or Christ himself. If that's the case, then how can it be biblically sound? It can't.
Ya no pre trib rapture there. And Daniel 11 33 sounds like we going through a tough time as Christians before we read Daniel 12 when we get caught up ya it sounds like a great story but these churches nowadays make up what they heard rather than what they studied pick and choose and confuse the masses im sorry but WE ARE GONNA BE IN A WORLD OF HURT IF WE CANT LET THE HOLY SPIRIT TRULY BE OUR GUIDE IN THESE LAST DAYS GOD BLESS BRO
Why on earth would you be looking for it in scripture before Paul ? Did you not understand the bit when Paul said I tell you a mystery/secret "μυστήριον" ? It wouldn't be a mystery Paul was revealing if you could find it in scripture before he revealed it.
Learn to walk before trying to run. This is all very interesting and we should learn it but first thing's first. Remember we must repent and have patient endurance. Just watch and be ready. Patience is the thing life isn't going to be EASY you will want to give up but don't give up. Look for all the signs listen to the warnings and listen for God's communication to you. Don't trust religious leaders
I know there is a lot of debate on whether or not specific verses refer to two different events, when it comes to Jesus return….However, I find it fascinating that Jesus 1st coming has verses related to two different events: his birth which includes where he was born and would grow up, his parentage, his trip to Egypt etc…. And the second describing his entry into Jerusalem…him being the suffering servant, how he would rise from the dead… So if his first coming had two separate “events”….is it possible that his second could have two also? Just my random thoughts..
So where does it talk about a third coming of Christ? I thought there were only 2? 1 Thessalonians 4:17 will not work friend, it says Christ will physically be in the sky and verse 17 never says we go back to heaven. You have to inject that into the text. Here's an illustration, if an airplane is in the air is it present on the earth? The answer is yes. Christ brings with Him the saints who died in Christ and people are resurrected with glorified bodies. You cannot detach verse 17 from the rest of the verses in 1 Thessalonians 4, it's a letter. Context matters.
... A wealthy, handsome man asks a plain average women to marry him. She joyfully says yes. However, he has to go away for 7 years. “I will come back and receive you to myself.” She promises to wait. She prepares her wedding dress. She showers and gets dressed, then waits patiently and faithfully looking for the glorious day when her man returns. He sends his servants regularly to give her a beating - just to make sure that she really wants to get married. Then eventually he comes to get her. O, glorious hope!!! 😂 Post tribulation is a doctrine of pride. “I’m going to show God how faithful I am. He’s going to be so proud of me!” He’s not. God opposes the proud. Post trib is an excuse to buy more ammo, wear camouflage, and discuss with your friends ie (Keepers Of Obscure Knowledge) how you’re going to survive it all.
I am wondering what Mt 24 vs 29-31 is speaking of. It seems after a terrible time (possibly the tribulation?) Christ will gather His elect and all the world will be watching... this is not His return?
Hey it's so if you read that verse in context continue to read it. Christ is speaking about the Jewish people and the nations being gathered to the valley of decision. Wherein with the rapture the body of christ meets the Lord in the air. You have to remember that and Torah the elect was used specifically of Jewish people Two different events that have a few similarities.
@@jameswatts2338 after reading it in context, I am going to have to disagree with you. Christ is not coming to bring the world to a valley of decision, in context, this is not what His disciples were asking. They did not phrase the question as: after you come back to get us, then what???, No, it was a question of His return, verse 30 states the whole world will see Him and mourn. From verse 1 til verse 51 there is no mention of a separate event. As much as I want to believe it, in context, this is for the church to read and understand, not so that unsaved people will know what's coming after we are gone... Even Jesus said that the Pharisee's were not Abraham's children, only the followers of Christ. We as believers are the elect. Please show me some supportive scriptures that tell me otherwise...
Problem with eschatology is most of it's conjecture. We don't know for sure, myself included...but we all have ideas. Matthew 24 shows Jesus in the clouds but he sends his angels to gather those that are his, but doesn't physically return. It shouldn't be surprising that the world sees it because even during the bowl judgements, people are cursing God for what's going on and refusing to repent...As if they have knowledge of God but still refuse Him. If you read Matthew 24:29 it seems to correlate with Revelation 6:12. It seems we may be around for the first 6 seals, which are a tribulation but in chapter 7 vs 9, we are called home. After that, it's no longer tribulation but Gods wrath being poured out via the trumpets and the bowls. Could I be wrong? Absolutely! But it's how I read it at the time. God bless all! And remember to stay strong and trust God no matter who is correct.
@@DaveBaldwin1 thanks brother. Your comment is well received. I do not believe that a pre, mid, or post trib rapture is a salvation issue. We could have theology correct and miss the mark of God. Maranatha. Take care.
Check the video from FAI (frontier alliance international), they explain your question very well in their video "4 reasons why we don't believe in the pretrib rapture" Yes your analysis os good Jesus comes back at the seventh trumpet.
I use to be all caught up in the rapture doctrine. You know Left behind and all. Then I read in Mathew 13 the parable of the sower the last few verses show Angelic reapers bundle and burn the wicked then the church is caught up! There is no greater authority in the Bible then Jesus Christ. I felt foolish all these years cutting and pasting bible verses together. You know the 70 weeks plus this plus that. He who survives to the end will be saved!!! Read it, It opened my eyes. Just think about how Christs disciples died. They did not get raptured!!! What makes us so special?
Is the New Covenant found in Daniel chapter 9? Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant. Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28? The 1599 Geneva Bible is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Darby showed up on our shores. What was the earlier understanding of Daniel 9:27 found below in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate. Daniel 9:27 And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. (a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles. (b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection. (c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them. ------------------------------------------------ During recent years many New Covenant scholars have examined Daniel chapter 9 from a New Covenant perspective. Did Christ fulfill the summary found in Daniel 9:24? Is it about the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary? Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (These two verses are quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.) Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. The death of the Messiah is found in Daniel 9:26, and there are only two possible singular antecedents for the word “he” in the next verse. Those antecedents are either Christ or Titus, who was the prince of the people that destroyed the temple during 70 AD. Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. Is the “he” in Daniel 9:27 the “Messiah”, or “the prince” of the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary in verse 26? If we used “the people of the prince” it would not be a singular “he”. Does the author of the Book of Hebrews connect the New Covenant with the Messiah’s death found in Daniel 9:26, in the verse below? Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. (NKJV) Verse 26 also says the Messiah would be cut off “after” the 69 weeks. If I agree to paint your house “after” 69 weeks, it will not be painted until the 70th week, or after. Is there a “gap” of almost 2,000 years between the 69th week and the 70th week, or was it fulfilled during the first century when the Gospel was preached “first” to the Jews? We know there is a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as the Apostle Paul said in the verse below. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. Can we find a time period of about seven years when the Gospel was taken “first” to Daniel’s people during the first century? If we can, we have good evidence that the 70th week of Daniel has already been fulfilled. Did Christ command His disciples to take the Gospel only to Israel in the passage below? Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans. Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mat 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.' Is the time period when the Gospel was preached “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews in the passage above, confirmed in the passage below? Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. In the passage above Luke confirms the fact that the Gospel of Christ was preached throughout the land of Israel after the baptism which John preached. Here again, we have a text which reveals a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as Paul said in Romans 1:16. Bible scholars have looked at the number of Passover celebrations in the Gospels and have estimated Christ’s earthly ministry to have lasted about three and one half years. Was the Gospel taken “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews for a period of about three and one half years during the period of time revealed in the Gospels? In Galatians 1:14-18 Paul reveals he did not go up to see Peter until about 3 years after his conversion. During that time the Gospel continued to be taken almost exclusively to Daniel's people, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles. Read the recent book "The 70th Week of Daniel 9 DECODED" by David Wilcoxson for confirmation of the above.
@@youbloodybloodworktimejasper dont listen to him man, he's lost. if you got a tattoo, its cool, as long as you didn't receive it for a sinful purpose. meaning if you got it out of pride to show it off, out of lust if it was a sexual image, etc. you can get it removed if you really don't want it or got it for one of these reasons by a bunch of different treatments; laser treatment, plastic surgery, etc.
The trumpet blast is after the trib by the way. “Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Matthew 24:29-31 KJV
When the tribulation comes as it says all will experience it as it's our duty to go through the fire in Christ , that those who believe you won't ever see tribulation will be the first to denounce their faith. Because if you so believe that the word of God was given to the final generation to solely not deal with the troubles of the world then you have not read at all.
The doctrine of imminent return is heresy and pre-trib is a doctrine of demons. Incredible how many Christians are completely deceived by it. What's worse is the Preterist view which seems to be gaining ground and is even more dangerous. The Rapture event takes place in the days of the Seventh Trumpet and occurs in Rev 14:14-16 which is described in Mathew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21. Then the Wrath of God begins with the Seven Vials as detailed in Rev 15 The Lord's Second Coming is gloriously detailed in Rev 19 when He finally puts an end to man's rebellion, the Beast and the False Prophet.
"Know ye not that your bodies are the temple of God, and the spirit of god lives in you." The temple presupposition I am not too sure is a proper NT theological idea. A lot of this like what happened before Jesus first coming, I often feel we are expecting super literal versions of Jesus 2nd coming when it will probably be a bit more spiritual then we think, an ex is the topic such as the beast siting in the temple of god. We presuppose it will happen or ONLY happen as an actual physical thing, but it may mean that this worldly system religious and or political may become many peoples idol worshipped over God, replacing him on the throne of peoples hearts where he should be.
John S, apparently you didn’t pay attention, there are several verses in the Bible that talks about an event where believers will meet the Lord in the air.
@@misovejasescuchanmivoz Every verse that explains the rapture, is being spoken to only Gentiles. Because Jew's are not raptured as they don't believe yet. The Rapture is only explained in verses that make sense for a rapture to be there. It is not mixed in with verses speaking of his second coming. His second coming is explained as a time of judgement, a time of fear and destruction. Yet all the rapture verses are the opposite of that. At his second coming it's angels with a trumpet, and it's angels who are gathering us. Yet, in the rapture verses it's God's Trumpet sounding, and Jesus receiving us in the clouds. The rapture verses describe us being taken to heaven, to a place he has been preparing for us. How can that happen when at his second coming we stay right here on earth to dwell for a thousand years in the millennial Kingdom? Then you have all the verses that speak to Gentiles Not Jews about how we are not destined to the wrath of God. And how we will escape it. We are his bride. Who else could it be in heaven at the marriage supper of the lamb? ALL of the tribulation is from God. Not just the second half. All the seals are Judgement seals from God. And in the seals it say's the anti-Christ was granted this, and was given that, etc.. It's clearly God making these things happen and giving power over to the Anti-Christ. It shows Jesus in control of it all, with each seal He opens. For only He can open the seals. This is clearly a time of judgment on the earth directly from God. And as we know from scripture, Jesus died on the cross for our sins, we are already forgiven. Scripture tells us we are already blameless in the eyes of God. He cannot pour out His judgement upon us. So there is no reason for us to be there. If I died today, I would go straight to heaven. I would not go through testing or judgement first. He already knows my heart. Lastly, we know that at the rapture our bodies are changed. We can no longer reproduce. If the rapture is at the end of the tribulation at the time of Christs coming, then ALL Christians at that time would be raptured with new bodies, and all non-Christians would be killed. So then who would populate the Millennial Kingdom? You would have only immortal non-producing bodies going in. And it's clear that in the Millennial Kingdom some of the people are dying and having children. Lastly, if believers deserve to go through the tribulation just like all the rest of the non-believers, then why does the bible help the believers so much during this time? Those who become Christians during the tribulation are given massive help and advise. The holey spirit is working overtime in them, helping them to get through being martyred, and literally speaking for them as if he's taken over their minds. And 144 thousand of them are sealed with Gods protection, so they can't be injured or killed. All 144 thousand of them come out of the tribulation unharmed and alive. Yet it's hard for you to believe God would rapture Believers before the Tribulation begins? All throughout the bible God saves believers and gets them out of the way before destroying the wicked.
@@cannotbeshaken7889 You don't know what you are talking about. Jews and Gentiles are the same as everyone that believes in Jesus' name will be saved. The 1000 years is in heaven not on earth, the new Jerusalem which is the people of God has to descend from heaven with the sons of God to earth after those 1000 years. Jesus coming will be loud and his brightness will destroy the evil ones and he will send his angels to pick up his people. After the tribulation.
@@aoyamiuriko5059 I’ve read the entirety of scripture multiple times and I agree with him. So did the entire church for almost 2000 years until this false doctrine started within the last 200 years. I admire Jack Hibbs for keeping his church open, but this dispensationalism is false and we are going to pay for the effects it takes on our world views.
The event cannot happen at any time... don’t discredit the accuracy of prophecy based on the events, for Jack to claim he doesn’t know when he comes just shows he doesn’t understand the events leading up to the day of Christ which is NOT to be confused with the day of the Lord. Jesus gave the signs of his coming in the gospels, does that mean you’ll know the day or the hour? Nope but you CAN know the signs of his coming. Revelation 6:11-12 is exactly what Christ depicted in the gospels as his coming, this is not when Jesus touches earth, Jesus first comes in the clouds to gather his bride, the second advent is when Christ comes back and TOUCHES THE EARTH = the battle of Armageddon. The Day of the Lord is the wrath being poured out on the earth while we believers are at the marriage supper of the lamb. This seems like a heavy topic but it’s truly understandable ... so try harder... pre-trib nonsense will be a stumbling block to the church and just as mentioned in Daniel it will be a great falling away when the saints are overcome. Don’t take my word for it - go and learn! Edify one another with humble hearts. God bless
*Titus **2:13** Blessed Hope* *****GLORIOUS APPEARING***** **Rapture: Jesus coming in the Clouds with Great *****GLORY:***** Dan.7:13-14 Matt.24:30-31 Mark 13:26-27 Luke 21:27 Rev.1:7 Rev.14:14-16 NO Scriptures show Jesus coming in the Clouds at PRE Tribulation.
“Pretrib nonsense will be a ... [cause of] a great falling away ...” Right ...... 🤷♂️ There is already a great falling away and that has very little to do with the doctrine of pretribulation rapture. But let’s talk about post tribulation A wealthy handsome guy asks a plain average women to marry him. She says yes. However, he has to go away for 7 years. “I will come back and receive you to myself.” She promises to wait. She prepares her wedding dress. Showers and gets dress then waits for her man patiently and faithfully looking for the glorious day. He sends his servants regularly to give her a beating - just to make sure that she really wants to get married. Then eventually he comes to get her. O, glorious hope!!! 😂 Post tribulation is a doctrine of pride. “I’m going to show God how faithful I am. He’s going to be so proud of me!” He’s not. Post trib is an excuse to buy more ammo, wear camouflage, and discuss with your friends ie (Keepers Of Obscure Knowledge) how you’re going to survive it all.
@@memowilliam9889 So you disagree with scripture on the order of events leading to the tribulation and Gods state of affairs... gotcha 😂👍🏻 . You can talk all you’d like but unless your willing to actually throw down with scripture then your opinion is just that🤷🏻♂️ It’s not hard to study out what Daniel saw and correspond with the gospels and revelation, it’s quite a beautiful and simple picture. The highest honour in Christianity is bestowed upon the martyrs, we aren’t called to stock up, build cabins and buy guns 😂 so much nonsense and a pretty weak blanket statement for post trib believers... any ways if you’d like to discuss the scripture surrounding prophecy of end times I’d be more than happy to. You can start by reading the gospels of when Jesus said he would return in the clouds and then go to revelation where you see in detail the exact thing Christ said would happen unfolds... then you can attempt to explain away the first 5 seals that are broken as something other than tribulation 🤣 good luck your time starts.... now
@@memowilliam9889 Your watered down Pre Tricked version of the falling away, is in contradiction to Prophetic Bible Scripture, typical of Pre Trib lies n heresies against Gods Word. I pity your woman and kids who will needlessly suffer more than most because of your Disney Cartoon Pre Tripped beliefs. I wonder what sweet LIES you will comfort their staving bellies with in that day ? SOON ? VERY SOON ? IMMINENT ? WE FLY SOON ? They deserve better, and you are cursed for not preparing for them. Your arrogance is going in the dirt.
The third temple is already here - we the church are the third temple - believers are now the temple of God. In revelation there is no physical temple described. Ezekiel says that this new temple will be forever / everlasting. If a physical third temple is built, it may not be fulfillment of prophesy. Either way, yes we must be always ready for the Lord's coming :)
@HANUNIJA that makes absolutely no sense from a biblical perspective. The mark of the beast is primarily a spiritual issue. The mark of the beast is the opposite of the shema in Deuteronomy 6. Verse 8 says: "Tie them as as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads". In other words, follow God's teachings in actions (the hands are a Hebrew idea of action) and always keep them in your mind (your forehead). The mark of the beast is willful, knowing opposition to God - an Antichrist spirit. The main thrust of the mark of the beast is direct opposition to God. Therefore taking a vaccination is NOT taking the mark of the beast. God bless you.
@Jiminy Cricket, good point. The idea of a physical third Jewish temple would nullify the work of Christ on the cross. In AD70 the temple was destroyed as Christ predicted. It was destroyed in devastating fashion without "one stone left upon another". This destruction put at end, once and for all, to the institution of animal sacrifices. No temple means no more sacrifices. The destruction of the temple in AD70 meant an end of the covenant of Law once and for all. For a third temple to be built would be an utter abomination, as it means that animal sacrifices will resume, thereby spitting in the face of Christ. People think that a third temple will be built and the abomination will be standing in the holy place (as a sign of the end times). If another temple is built, that temple itself will be an abomination! Not only that, it would mean the prophecy of Christ has been nullified, He said the temple would be destroyed and desolate. And it makes no sense to call a physical temple "forever and everlasting".
It is not here. Explain how the Abomination of Desolation can ENTER THE TEMPLE AND PROCLAIM himself lord of all, if there is no Temple? It will be built and end up destroyed ... again.
The Bible is clear, repeatedly declaring the third temple is the bride of Christ. It’s there over and over again clearly stated. Christ has already come thru Abraham and taken His place on David’s throne. It’s not a worldly throne, it’s an eternal throne. Check Galatians 3:12 and hear what Paul says because this confusion in the church is so similar to the confusion the Galatians church had. God’s promise was to Abraham and it was fulfilled. The whole world, Jew and gentile, have been blessed through him.
@@SGOV86 ofcourse! Jesus will not descent from heaven like invisible man in the movies. But here we are talking about that very particular day or moment is unknown/secret.
Sorry, but you said,when the Jesus return, the bride of Christ will be looking for the rapture, whereas, in Revelation 19, before the return of Jesus the bride of Christ arrayed in white linen was already preparing for the marriage with the Lamb... You also said that the bride of Christ referred to as an army seated upon white horses..., No verse in chapter 19 said that the bride of Christ was referred to as armies in heaven.... Please correct me if I am wrong of how I understand Revelation 19, Thank you...
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation??? (book not in chronological order ?) Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse. Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb. Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present? The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ. He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18. The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15. The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13. He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet? He comes on a horse in chapter 19. Chapter 20? Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1? (The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.) There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46. Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked? Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner. Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book. The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
Please pray for my friend Kristel, she is depressed and doesn't know God. Pray that God would open her mind and heart to the truth which is in Jesus Christ and destroy satan's lies and works in her life.
Tell her about God's love
I will pray. God bless you.
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Praying for Kristel’s salvation !!💕💕
@HANUNIJA for tribulation, they just shouldn't be taken because they afflict u with certain things u aren't aware of. The rapture is happening soon. The antichrist hasn't been crowned for us to bow to him,please go over ur word,there's knowledge to and fro on the internet you guys,im seriously, be encouraged
Whether it's pre trib or post trib doesn't matter. We're supposed to be ready at all times.
Amen
@IYearn4HisReturn all you have to be worried about is being ready. That's it
@IYearn4HisReturn what "lie" am I believing?
@@speaktruth247 Dont bother responding to him.
@IYearn4HisReturn im not denying anything. All I'm saying is you have to be ready at all times.
Regarding the Rapture, I am "cautiously optimistic". I am preparing for a Mid- or Post-Trib Pre-Wrath but praying and hoping for a Pre-Trib
It’s not real. There’s no scriptures used in context that support the rapture.
@@vigc2871 You wrote: "It’s not real. There’s [sic] no scriptures used in context that support the rapture."
To _whom_ are you addressing this shallow comment of yours? To Pre-Tribulation people? To Mid-Tribulation people? To Post-Tribulation people? To Pre-Wrath people?
@@vigc2871 1 Thessalonians Chapter 4 states there will be a time where Jesus comes to catch us up into the air after the dead in Him are raised. This is a teaching from the Bible, not an opinion. This is an event where people will be translated as Enoch was. Enoch was walking with God and He literally took him up to be with Him. This is exactly what will happen to those still alive at this point in time. It’s also in 1 Corinthians Chapter 15.
Be careful saying what is or what isn’t in the Bible because Yah won’t hold you guiltless. We’re all going to be judged for what we say.
Study to show yourself approved (2 Timothy 2:15.) Making baseless assumptions doesn’t edify anyone.
@@djengo77 no rapture period, for anyone. Just the return the christ
@@vigc2871 In other words, you're a Bible-despiser who has never read the Bible.
I believe we should be ready to go through the tribulation because if we do we will need God’s strength to make it through and potentially die for Him 🙏🏼
If you think you must die for God, you're fool. You die because of other people's SIN. God SAVES you. You're giving arrogant buffoons pretexts and excuse to think Christianity makes people crazy. Go study your Bible son. I know what you mean, but your comment is so EASY to take out of context and use as a weapon you need to think more before posting an idea like this.
@@einarabelc5 bruh chill as a fellow Christian you should correct him. Dont call him a fool because it says in the bible anyone who calls their brother a fool is subject to judgement. That's like the basic of the basic of christianity
@@einarabelc5 Sir, I too used to believe in the pre rapture theory whole heartedly and now I’m open to potentially having to die for my faith in order to truly prepare for the end.
The apostles died for our Lord very gruesome deaths as do many people still. We are called to be living sacrifices for our God. So I don’t understand your knowledge or saying we are not to die for God because that is clearly false as it has happened and continues. I feel it wise you do more reading and research as I am wholeheartedly comfortable/content with keeping an open mind that I may have to be beheaded for not taking the mark and bowing down to a false god as I feel it wise we all do, pre rapture or post.
God bless you 🙏🏼❤️
I do not know you or your heart but only God does but look at your choice of words… do they show live towards others? Are they helpful in anyway?
@@einarabelc5 God saves the soul, the flesh is meaningless 🙏🏼😌
@@einarabelc5
You're likely more the fool than anyone else here.
Millions upon Millions have ALREADY suffered n died for His names sake.
Nowhere in the Bible are we taught that the church will be "raptured" before the tribulation. In fact, the major thrust of the book of Revelation is to prepare the church to endure the persecution and to "endure until the end" or "overcome". Nowhere in the Book of Revelation are we told that the church will be "raptured" out before the tribulation begins. If this "rapture" preceded the tribulation, you think God or John might have mentioned that. Instead, in Rev, 13 times the "saints" are mentioned as suffering, enduring and overcoming DURING the tribulation.
Easy to think that way without rightly dividing the scriptures , who is Jacob and why are they in trouble when people say " nowhere in the Bible.."
It shows lack of understanding ,pride and or ignorance .
I agree John S.
I agree @john S
Yes. Tribulation is not the same as wrath.
@@7Logik True. There are many things that are taught that is not directly stated in the Bible
I agree with this man. When I share the rapture, I mention this too about Rev 6 - 19. The Bible teaches the rapture and the church does not go through tribulations. We are not appointed wrath but to obtain salvation with our LORD Jesus Christ.
No it doesn’t. We are raptured at the 7th Seal. Who are the wise still on earth to recognize the Anti-Christ if it’s not us? There are no wise people without Believers. We will go through the Tribulation. Why are we any different than the persecuted church around the globe.
The tribulation isn’t the wrath of God but the culmination and final wrath of Satan. The church has suffered tribulation from its inception and the great tribulation is the last stroke before the return of Christ and our gathering up to him, then will comes the wrath of God upon the unbelieving world as recompense for all the evil perpetrated against God and the saints from the beginning of creation. Do not be deceived!
@@777Treeoflife So it makes sense that the early Christian suffered horrible deaths like been fed alive to wild beast, crucified, burn to a stake, stoned to dead, sawed in two, immersed in hot oil etc all on account of the gospel? Or weren’t they Christians with the the in dwelling of the Holy Spirit of God? How different were they from the present church or are we more of Christians than they were? The pre-trib doctrine is a heresy, just another man made philosophy that will end up leaving you unprepared for what is coming. Denying the eventuality of the inevitable will not change anything but rather it will only jeopardize your preparedness, so brace up because no one is escaping the 7 seals which is the tribulation but we will escape the 7 trumpets and bowls which is the wrath of God when we are gathered up to Jesus as he descends from heaven to save us before the wrath is pour out on the unbelieving world as recompense for all it’s evil against God and His saints....Shalom🙏
@@777Treeoflife Go back and read what I wrote, nowhere did I imply that the wrath is against Satan rather I said the tribulation is Satan’s wrath against the believers. We see in Revelation chapter 12 and 13 that Satan was permanently evicted from heaven and thrown down to the earth in great fury with limited time, and he was allowed to successfully make war against the saints and conquer them for 3 n half years. The Antichrist is the physical embodiment of Satan and he will be allowed 3 n half years to rule the earth and persecute the saints before Christ returns.
Daniel 9 doesn’t support the Pri-trib doctrine in anyway whatsoever. The text explains Gabriel replying Daniel’s supplication for the redemption of his people who were in captivity. The text summaries the duration of their servitude, and their final redemption at the end of the church age. It says that the Jews were been punished for their transgressions as captives in Babylon for 70yrs after which they shall be restored to their land, then shall come the messiah but he shall be killed, then shall come the Antichrist who will make a covenant and half way into the covenant he will infringe and persecute the believers for the remaining half of the 7years bf they are rescued and the Antichrist is destroyed at the return of Jesus! You are the one forcing your opinions on scriptural text, let the Bible speak its truth…Shalom🙏
If we will not go through tribulation who then are going to be God's two witnesses? ( Rev 11)
During the Rapture Jesus us coming FOR the saints. During the second coming Christ is coming WITH the saints.
Jesus comes and the saints are gathered unto him. Learn the parable of the carcass (Matthew 24:27-28).
If that was true the second coming would be the Third coming
Combining prophecies since all must be true for any to be true: Jesus will return to judge at some time we can not know Iin advance. When He does the saints (saved) both living and dead will meet Him in the air as He arrives.
@@markhorton3994 Correct. The "Landmark" Prophecy would be The Day of the Lord... which is the biggest prophecy in scripture because it's the same prophecy as Jesus' birth and death.
So in that same prophecy, of the Day of the Lord, every scripture in the New Testament says only then will we be gathered unto him.
Mark Horton, 1 Thessalonians 4: 16-18. Nevertheless, the saints who believe wholeheartedly that they will go through the wrath period and Antichist, will have a nice comforting surprise when caught up, catching away to Christ and the marriage feast in heaven, before wrath befalls this earth.
@@markhorton3994 agree! Heb 9:28 is clear he will return a second time. Not 3 or 4...
“so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.”
Hebrews 9:28 NKJV
“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
John 3:18 KJV
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
John 14:6
Kyrie Eleison!
I must add, Zechariah 14
"..........Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You."
Zechariah 14:5 NKJV
An exact parallel..
1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with a resurrection. There is only one resurrection (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6).
Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection (v. 37). The wicked are unaware (Matt 34:39a), then there is a flash of light and we leave our flesh on earth (Luke 17:37).
Everybody knows when the second coming is near (Rev 6:15-17).
Zech 14:16 shows some of the wicked come to belief at the second coming.
Zecheriah 14 is the battle of Armageddon not the second coming
In the Revelation passage Jack references, John asks the angel "Who are these clothed in white". The angel replied "These are those WHO ARE COMING OUT OF THE TRIBULATION".
Coming out! But death. "And they overcame the beast because they didn't love their lives even unto death."
How could this be possible if they were raptured out before the tribulation began?
The verse is revelation 7:14 and states they have already "came out" of the tribulation,as the rapture he spoke of in previous epistles proves we won't be here and aren't appointed to wrath, and as well to mark the beginning of tribulation the rapture seems to be a key event to mark it and the ones arrayed in white would make sense they were innumerable because IF the rapture happens many would come to believe also mentioning the first six seals have been released so if we aren't appointed to wrath then it would make sense we would be out of there by then, revelation 5:3 says no "man in heaven" was able to open the book so assuming there were also men already in heaven couples with 1 thessalonians 5:2 1 Corinthians 15:52 1 thessalonians 4:16-18 revelation 3:10-11 tend to heavily point towards a pre tribulation rapture if not 100 percent a mid tribulation rapture.
The wrath is the bowls of wrath after the trumpets. We still need to endure and persevere through the seals and the trumpets, and at the sound of the last trumpet, the entire church will go with Christ. His church doesn’t go through the bowls of wrath.
It's possible that Christians who die before the tribulations will not live through them, whereas new Christians will convert during the tribulations. Revelation 7:14 refers to a "Great" Tribulation, if that is a good translation then it implies that not all Christians will convert during a "Great" Tribulation but rather particular people, as there must be lesser tribulations.
You do realise that pre-tribbers believe that people will be saved during the tribulation? No, apparently not. That is who that is referring to.
"How could this be possible if they were raptured out before the tribulation began?"
Wait...who said that "these clothed in white"--"those WHO ARE COMING OUT OF THE TRIBULATION"--"were raptured out before the tribulation began"?
Jesus is already on the throne of David:
“For David says of Him, ‘I saw the Lord always in my presence; For He is at my right hand, so that I will not be shaken. Therefore my heart was glad and my tongue exulted; Moreover my flesh also will live in hope; Because You will not abandon my soul to Hades, Nor allow Your Holy One to undergo decay. You have made known to me the ways of life; You will make me full of gladness with Your presence.’ “Brethren, I may confidently say to you regarding the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. And so, because he was a prophet and knew that God had sworn to him with an oath to seat one of his descendants on his throne, he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that He was neither abandoned to Hades, nor did His flesh suffer decay. This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses. Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: ‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.” ’ Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ-this Jesus whom you crucified.””
Acts 2:25-36 NASB1995
Will you make your mind up. The Bible says Christ is sat down on the right hand of the throne of God in Heaven - and you say that He is on the throne of David which will be on the earth in Jerusalem. I am afraid you are confused.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 “But the Jerusalem above is free; she is our mother. For it is written, “Rejoice, barren woman who does not bear; Break forth and shout, you who are not in labor; For more numerous are the children of the desolate Than of the one who has a husband.” And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also. But what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, For the son of the bondwoman shall not be an heir with the son of the free woman.” So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.”
Galatians 4:26-31 NASB1995
“For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.”
1 Corinthians 15:25 NASB1995
I never said the throne is on the earth. Jesus is already on the throne of David is what I said. Where does it state the throne is a physical throne on earth or soil if this is what you are suggesting?
@@urawesome4670 Isaiah 9:7 indicates this will be a physical throne
@@urawesome4670 You wrote: "I never said the throne is on the earth. Jesus is already on the throne of David is what I said. Where does it state the throne is a physical throne on earth or soil if this is what you are suggesting?"
Did David reign from the throne of David?
Did David reign from earth, or did he reign from heaven? Which?
BTW, I hope that the "U" in your screen handle ("UR Awesome!") is only referring to God, because only God is _awesome._
Jesus is not on the throne of David and nor will He be until He returns for the Millennial. The throne of David is in Jerusalem and when He returns He will sit on the throne of David then and literally reign for a thousand years.
I can’t believe so many people reject this!! Maranatha ✋🏼🤚🏼
Because the only way to explain this is to take many scriptures way out of context.
@@nilpo please. Elaborate.
@@alfabet1718 I'm not sure what you would like to have elaborated on. Virtually all of the Bible verses attributed to an "end times" rapture have nothing to do with anything like that. The book of Revelation, for example, is not about some "end times" event. It was a warning to first century Jews about the fall of Jerusalem and the destruction of the temple that occurred in 70 AD. Matthew 24 also addresses this same event. Without those two parts of scripture, the entire "end times" view crumbles.
Me: *Sees title*
Also me: *Rubs hands together*
are you a fly lol
@@syio1 😄
Dispensationalism is the only way to interpret the Bible without contradictions. The biggest reason for confusion among Christendom is not applying whats said, to whom it was said, in what time frame it was said. 2 Tim 2:15. Study, therefore rightly divide. All the Bible was written for us, not all was written directly to us.
Straight from Scripture. Well done. Those who stick to the text of Scripture will always hold premill-pretrib. The Scripture could not be more clear for both.
Please provide the verses, because I can't find anything about a rapture before the tribulation in the bible.
JESUS COMES WITH A SHOUT TO RESCUE HIS PEOPLE AND TO DESTROY THE EARTH BY FIRE TO TAKE HIS PEOPLE TO HEAVEN FOR A THOUSAND YEARS AND THEN TO COME BACK TO JUDGE THE REST OF PEOPLE THAT DIDN'T BELIEVE IN JESUS AND TO ESTABLISH A NEW JERUSALEM FOR EVER AND EVER AMEN.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
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But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
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Behold, he cometh with CLOUDS; and every EYE shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
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8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his COMING.
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7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
It’s the complete opposite to what you just said
@@SpotterVideo I was raised in the covenant theology group, so I get your position. Take note that hebrews 8 is taking about the future covenant with israel and judah(not gentiles). In Hebrews 10, the author refers to Jeremiah 31 but changes israel and judah with a general reference to 'them' referring to us who accept Christ. The point in ch 10 is that we are inheriting the blessing of this covenant ahead of israel and judah, and that we are proof of God's faithfulness, but this does not negate the target(Jews) of Jeremiah 31. Romans 11 is clear that we are in the times of the gentiles and that God is coming back for the Jews at the end to literally fulfill Jeremiah 31 to israel and judah. Cheers
No one is going anywhere until The Lord returns, period. Matt; 24, 29 . . thru chap.
Agreed
Ahh you if you read Matthew 24 into context though here is the picture you get painted in your mind. You have Jesus discussing the end times (keyword) and what comes to mind when you think of end times? The tribulation. So here we have Jesus who is a Jew talking to other Jews about what's to come and uses the parable about the ten brides groom. You know the one where 5 were wise and the other 5 were unwise? 5 had their lamps with extra oil prepared and ready the others didn't when the bridegrooms coming was delayed. Among the more than 200 times that oil is mentioned in the Bible, the connection as a metaphor of the Holy Spirit’s presence and action is clear in the ritual of anointing prophets, priests, and kings. For example, when the prophet-judge Samuel anointed David with oil to be the new king of Israel, the next statement is that “the Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon David from that day forward” (1 Sam 16:13 nasb). So here is my point. in the end times salvation is going to be different and as the parable shows those who aren't ready aren't going to be saved. But we are in the church age, once we are saved we are always saved in Jesus our saviour. Because it's faith and faith alone that we are saved through the grace of God.
I love this comment, funny but very true🤣😅🤣😅🤣😅
@@codyroden7685 you got everything backwards. If you want salvation you have to become a Jew!!! God told you this multiple times. You are to be grafted into his family he is a Jew and then you must become one yourself. You are failing to listen to both God and Paul. Paul told you to work out your salvation in fear and trembling. You are obviously not doing that. Start keeping the Friday sunset to Saturday sunset sabbath
@@Soulaliss Question, where exactly does Paul say that? From what I can read from Romans 10: 12-13 Paul teaches that when it comes to salvation one does not have to be a jew, only to proxclaim and confess Christ as your saviour (vv. 9-10)
All I can think about when I hear about people explaining their interpretations of pre-trib raptures is that there will be a great falling away, the great apostasy. Why would the Christians who are expecting to endure terrible things and aren't expecting a pre-trib rapture have such a falling away? Christianity has thrived on persecution, it got its start under persecution.
Sadly, I believe the great falling away, the great apostasy will occur from these people who have such a hope and faith in a pre-trib rapture, that when we have to endure such terrible things, they will abandon their faith as Christ didn't come to rescue them as they had heard over and over.
A pre-trib rapture would be nice, but I simply don't believe it. You must be ready to endure, it is repeated over and over in the scriptures.
I think the rapture before tribulation is exactly for that, so people think it will happen before, and when it doesn't, they turn to the mark of the beast, it will weed out all the Christians who aren't pure of heart, it won't be millions ascending. It will be billions burning alongside the beast.
“Now concerning the COMING OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST AND OUR BEING GATHERED TO HIM, we ask you, brothers, not to be quickly shaken in mind or alarmed, either by a spirit or a spoken word, or a letter seeming to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. LET NO ONE DECEIVE YOU IN ANY WAY. For that day WILL NOT come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,” 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
I love it when Scripture speaks for itself. Jesus' own words in Matt 24:29 are even better: " “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
@@civilization57 says: *I love it when Scripture speaks for itself. Jesus' own words in Matt **24:29** are even better: " “But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. 31 And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet blast, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.*
I hope you're NOT referring to this as being the rapture of the Church because it isn't.
It's the battle of Armageddon which happens at the end of the Tribulation Period.
@@danielblair4413 I share your love of Scripture. Notice how Jesus describes the "rapture" of the church in this passage, sharing the exact same description that Paul uses to describe the Rapture in 1 Thess 4:16. He calls this the Day of the Lord. Both Matt 24 and 1 Thess 4 describe Jesus visibly returning, his angels coming, the saints being gathered together from the earth to the sky (Raptured), the trumpet blowing, great glory (nothing hidden), and clouds. Paul was virtually quoting Matt 24 in his account. And in 2 Thess 2, Paul says that this "Day of the Lord" won't happen until AFTER the antichrist is revealed. And, yes, I agree, this all happens "at the end of the tribulation period."
@@civilization57Now I agree this is after the tribulation period, and these texts agree with Rev 1:7 as well. This strongly suggests that any mention of a secret rapture is displaced by the Jesus' returning on the clouds, to take us with him back to heaven.
That would rightly leave all unbelievers on earth dead of shock and the fallen angels with....nothing to do, for a thousand years. After that the New Jerusalem would be brought down from heaven, and judgement day would be brief, with the fire lasting just so long as each condemned person & angel has been apportioned by the saints. Sin would be burned away and the earth made new, with unimaginable proportions & glory. This is a summary of what's in The Great Controversy, last two or three chapters. More hope for God's people than I've heard anywhere else, thanks to Jesus' victory over the devil and him also redeeming us from this sinful earth, amen.
Because it's written that no one knows the day or time of Christ's return for His people and to be in a state of readiness as a bride for the groom, we know this is talking about the rapture that comes first because there is a countdown of events that precede The Day of the Lord in which Christ returns to judge the world. Today is the day of salvation. Repent and believe in Jesus Christ to be saved from the judgement.
Unfortunately lots of brothers and sisters can't differentiate between the two events.
I’ll wait till the rapture before believing this mythological nonsense.
Won’t be holding my breath.
No where in the Bible does it talk about a rapture.
Amen brother Our Lord Jesus Christ may be with all of us brothers in Christ
@@onlytwogenders4668 Where in the Bible does it said Trinity? None! That doesn't mean its not there.
so glad to see ppl talking about this!
IMO The Left Behind books were the worst thing to happen to Eschatology. So many people base the last days off this fictional work.
So so so bad! The deception is out of this world!
I agree. I've seen a few debates on this. Rapture Theory has a variety of holes in it that do not add up. But when trying to discuss these issues with their theory, the conversation eventually turns sour. And in the end, the pro rapture crowd accuses everyone else of heresy and walks away. It's become a cult mindset.
I think the real danger here is when the Tribulation does comes, and the Rapture does not; I wonder how many of these people who were raised to believe this will walk away from their faith (apostasy like) to save their lives, thinking God's abandoned them or that He isn't actually real.
@@mweekly75 there is a rapture!
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Matthew 24:29-31 KJV
But it is after the tribulation and happens when Jesus returns, not before.
@@duexieme2 I too discovered this when I was trying to read about the rapture from the Bible. It looks like it will happen at time of second coming. I don't understand why so many preachers say that the rapture will happen before the tribulation period.
I think it's mid trib. The rapture of christians and antichrist breaking the peace treaty wakes up the jews
Pray that you are worthy to escape those things that are to come , aren't these who are alive and still remain at his return ,Luke 21:36 , 1thesalonians 4:17
Luke 21: 36 is Luke's version of Mathew ch 24 . What is the meaning of Mathew 24 ? To whom is Jesus speaking ? His JEWISH disciples. What was he teaching them about ? Jewish things. Look at the references to these Jewish things #1 The temple , #2 the abomination ( a repeat of Daniel's prophecy about Antiochus Epiphanes in the 2nd century B.C.), #3 The Sabbath , #4 the roof tops, #5 The Judean wilderness , #6 The fig tree. From the references Jesus gave in the gospels , and in Revelation ( which is really The Revelation of Jesus Christ), we can figure out that #1 The Tribulation does not feature ,and is not about the "Christian Church" , it is about the nation of Israel and the terrible ordeal it will go through after the anti -christ betrays them three and a half years into a peace deal he brokered ( "the time of Jacob's trouble"). What Jesus was describing to his Jewish disciples ,who like all jews had the eternal question of when the glory of the Kingdom of Israel , Jerusalem and the temple ,would be restored, was the signs of the end for Israel . So Jesus gives them a warning about a figure who will appear as a false messiah to lead Jews astray...but one third of them will not be fooled and will escape ( says that in the O.T.).
Wow, thanks for contesting my comments, it's refreshing to find people passionate for the truth, I get a feeling I might be eating a little crow once I get through all the scriptures you sent. I've been expressing my belief's in other places too so it might be a few before I can answer or apologize
I believe there are trpes and shadows of things past present and future also many things Jesus did changed physical to spiritual. Gentiles are now spiritual Israel as in Jacob after the spirit.also we are now God's temple not one made of hands . It's going to take awhile to go through everything you texted but I will, thanks
@@paulwise6224 I'm your fellow believer just trying to give you a way to examine the scriptures yourself. Do I know everything? Of course not . I thank God that he never said you must understand everything before you can join him in eternity. Faith in Jesus Christ is what he asks of us. I also had to learn...and one of the best people I learned from was Dr. David Hocking through his youtube series on the entire books of Daniel and Revelation...chapter by chapter ...verse by verse. Dr. David Hocking has been teaching biblical prophecy for about 30 years. He is a believing Jew who taught Greek and understands Hebrew...and he knows what the Bible says because he considers all of it. He is an acquaintance of the former Israeli P.M. Benjamin Netanyahu, and he has been a guest speaker at the Israeli parliament. Plus , he goes to ancient middle eastern museums around the world and looks at artifacts that prove the historical existence of Israel and the truth of the Bible events. he is a very very knowledgeable person...and a true believer in Jesus Christ.
@@markanthony3275 the rabbi's really understand the scriptures better in so many ways, I don't question almost anything in the older versions , unfortunately I believe a little too much for a lot of Christians comfort. The prophecies are the statistical scientific proof of God five thousand times unless the secret societies are incredibly responsible
Blessing from Ireland 🇮🇪 great word I can’t wait for my lord and king I ready waiting and looking and been prepared Soon and very soon 🙏🙏😇
im from ireland too 😎🇮🇪✝️
@@Alphae21 ahh no way I’m living in Navan where you 🙏
@@The.rapture im in dublin atm 😁
@@Alphae21 I’m from Dublin Mena o brien was my name. ‘‘Tis exciting times 🙏🙏🌞
I don't find it particularly difficult to distinguish between "appearing" and "returning". Think of it like this: Let's say you were one of several groundskeepers of an estate and your master went off the property but was planning to return at a later point in time. During the day you were out working at the edge of the field and you saw your master far off in the distance. Suddenly one of his riders appeared on horseback and took you upon the horse. The other groundskeepers on the steps of the estate also briefly saw him in the distance and in an instant you and he rode off together over the horizon. That brief appearance in the distance does not constitute a return to the estate.
I still think it's interesting that Frank asks Jack to explain the difference between the Rapture and the 2nd Coming "according to premillenial dispensationalists." In other words, he's asking him to answer the question from one eschatological viewpoint. What if I were to tell you I knew exactly when Jesus would return? Many of you would classify me as a heretic. Yet if I explained myself this way, Jesus will return the exact moment according to the will of the Father. Not a moment sooner, ,not a moment later. Am I wrong?
I suppose it's the difference between knowing the time - by definition, and the actual time on earth i.e. a date.
@@hankdutton8896 Right! We can know that Jesus will only return when it's according to the Father's will, but what we cannot say is when that will be, although many have tried and failed.
You are correct. Also, since we don't know the time, the rapture must happen before the tribulation, otherwise we could figure out when it will happen. Be ready!
@@rockandsandapologetics7254
Revelation 3:3 (KJV): “Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.”
Going by Revelation 3:3 we can know the hour of Jesus' return at the rapture if we are watching because it states that if we are NOT watching then we won't know the hour of his coming.
The rapture of the Church is going to happen when the man of sin is revealed, the man of sin is the man that Satan is going to possess after the man of sin suffers a mortal head wound after ruling the first three and a half years of the Tribulation Period.
The United Nations is building the kingdom of the anti-Christ, so it makes logical sense that the man of sin's reveal will very likely be him becoming leader of the United Nations.
Once the man of sin becomes leader of the United Nations the rapture of the Church happens and then the man of sin will use the worldwide chaos that the rapture will cause to his advantage to seize worldwide power because no one can seize worldwide power without a worldwide disaster happening first, and the rapture of the Church will be that worldwide disaster for those left behind.
In reply to another commenter... Context is everything, considering the surrounding verses, chapter, book and entire Bible, and the fact that prophecy is not always linear from chapter to chapter, book to book. The temple has already been built. WE are the temple now (1 Corinthians 3:16-17, 6:14-18, Ephesians 2:19-22). The talk of rebuilding of a physical temple and the actual plans of some people to do so, is just distraction and misdirection from what scripture plainly says about believers being the temple.
>Who stopped the sacrifice?
Jesus/Yahshua stopped the sacrifice because he WAS the final sacrifice, as all previous sacrifices pointed to his ultimate sacrifice. (Hebrews 10:12) " But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God"
>Who was the Messiah and when was he cut off?
Jesus/Yahshua was the Messiah and he was the sacrifice that was cut off (crucified) midway (3.5 years) through Daniel's 70th week. To not understand this is to not fully understand the prophecy of the 70 weeks IN CONTEXT with the rest of scripture. Daniel 10 and 11 describe what would take place during that time, and Daniel 12 gives more information about the desolation of the Jews afterward in 70 A.D.
>Has transgression finished for Israel?
Context again. Daniel 9:24 is talking about the Messiah. "Seventy `sevens' are decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy." Yahshua conquered ("put an end to" the power of) sin for all time. Who do you think was able to "atone for wickedness", "bring in everlasting righteousness", while also being "the most holy"????? The verse is screaming out that this is Yahshua.
>Has sin ended?
Again, see Daniel 9:24
>Who is the prince who came to destroy Jerusalem?
Titus in 69-70AD, who ransacked Jerusalem
>Who confirms the covenant for one week?
Jesus/Yahshua confirmed the covenant, according to Galatians 3:17 - "The covenant which was confirmed before in Christ…”.
The Jews will build the temple, not Christians. And they are going to do it with the help of the Pope (false prophet). Christians know we don't need a temple.
I personally believe we're going to go through the tribulation. I would rather believe we're going to go through the tribulation so as to be prepared and be wrong than to believe I'll be raptured out before it happens and be wrong. If I'm wrong about going through the tribulation it won't effect my faith because I'll be with my Jesus. But if the rapture doesn't happen people who think they're going to be raptured out will have their faith shaken to the very core when they realize the tribulation is upon us and they weren't raptured out.
Additionally if we're going to be here for the tribulation many thinking they will be raptured out will not be on their guard when the Mark of the Beast is rolled out they will not know it for what it is believing that we won't be here and so this cannot possibly be the Mark.
So God's word lied in thessalonians?? Believing that "current" believers,the church is going thru tribulation,is on a deeper level,more of you all just putting faith in yourself and your own works. He already let us know that we may not know the full measure of his love and how its hard for us to fathom but we are not appointed to his wrath. There are different times/dispensations.....this is of grace,the church saints,after the rapture its works....its really simple. The rapture and 2nd return are described differently,it should be obvious that they are different events. The words are not the same in description nor in time period. I don't see how ppl got confused,its 2 different events and it makes sense when interpreted and compared to other scripture and prophecy. Yall need to watch Dr Kim of the real Bible believer youtube channel. Thats why Jesus is our blessed hope....there's no hope in that,cmon...."encourage one another with these words",be encouraged brother.
@@aoyamiuriko5059 believing that we'll go through the tribulation isn't putting faith in ones self and ones own works; to do so would be to fall when that evil day comes. Rather believing that we'll be going through the tribulation means trusting that God will see is through and give us the strength to endure even unto death as He has seen many of our brothers and sisters through since the beginning of the church age. The strength and courage to endure even unto death for my dear Savior is something I already talk with my Jesus about. Christians going through the tribulation won't be facing God's wrath but rather the wrath of man. Revelation talks about God marking His faithful before bringing His wrath against a sinful world. The wrath believers will face during the tribulation is the wrath of man and Satan. To say believers being executed for their faith during the tribulation is receiving God's wrath is to say that all of God's faithful who have been martyred for their faith in Christ from the beginning of the church age even to this day; in which we have seen more believers dieing for their faith than during the days of Nero; died because of the wrath of God.
What are you putting your hope in; the rapture or the finished work of Jesus Christ?
Strange, in my Bible it says that God sends a strong delusion on those 'left behind' after the Rapture, so that they believe the lie of Antichrist, because they have rejected the truth. Anyone left will be for judgement. The elect in the Tribulation are Jews.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 2nd Thessalonians 2 doesn't talk about those left behind receiving a strong delusion from God. It say those who have rejected the truth will receive a strong delusion from God.
@@smeatonlighthouse4384 when you interpret biblical passages on the end times you should do so in light of Jesus' own words in Matthew 24 where He tells us
Immediately after the distress of those days (the tribulation) "the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give it's light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.' Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And He will send His angles with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
2 Thessalonians 2
says that our gathering together with Christ will not be until there is a falling away first (the great apostasy of the church), and that that man of sin who exalts himself, sit in the place he should not, in the temple claiming to be above all that is called God,
And that Christ Yahshua at his coming will destroy him.
Revelation 2:10-11
"Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain. - Isaiah 26:18-21
The *_ONLY_* way to be sheltered from this is to do so before the indignation is poured out. It makes no sense to shelter from an indignation that is past.
*This resurrection*, invitation and sheltering take place before the LORD pours out his wrath.
Watch ... for you known not the hour ...
Absolutely. Paul seems to take his time line from Jesus' teaching in Matt 24 which states that the "gathering together" will occur "Immediately after" the tribulation.
In fact, there isn't a single verse in the Bible to support the pre-tribulation rapture that most pastors falsely teach.
@@mephi654 these Isaiah verses are not about the tribulation of Satan, they're about God's wrath being poured out like in Revelation 16:1
Read the next chapter of Isaiah
It talks about God defeating Satan
God's wrath, and Satan's tribulation are not the same thing.
Satan's tribulation on the world happens before God's wrath is poured out
I am saying that we don't fly away from Satan's Tribulation
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Also it says hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast
That doesn't sound like leaving anywhere, it sounds like staying put.
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Also God says MY PEOPLE
I believe this is talking about Israel,
Not just the church.
@@civilization57 Amen! They warn us to "be ready!", but how ready must we be? Isn't being born again ready enough?
@@civilization57 No...the entire Bible supports pre trib...right from the salvation from judgement of Adam and Eve when God shed the blood of animals to cover their sin and make them clothing...to the ark that saved Noah and his family, to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ...we are all saved from the WRATH of GOD...and what is the Tribulation? The WRATH of GOD. Even the sinners both great and small call it the WRATH of GOD when they say at the start of the Tribulation " it is the wrath of God and who can stand?" There doesn't have to be a single verse...ALL the verses support pre-trib. Stop looking at one tiny knot on one branch of one tree in the forest...look at the forest instead.
Gyeah boi! We are waiting to be caught up! Til then we are catching fish and producing good fruit!!! Yes, driven to heaven by Jesus himself and forever will be with him
Even The Apostle Paul calls it the Day of the Lord.
Paul talks about the same Day of the Lord in his epistles as Christ and the prophets who came before him did too. Paul also talks of another day that only he speaks of, he calls it the day of Christ or "that day" - 1 Corinthians 1.8, 3.13, 5.5; 2 Corinthians 1.14; Philippians 1.6, 10, 2.16; 2 Timothy 1.18, 4.8.
Compare it to the "day of the lord".
The day of the lord will be a day of judgment for rejectors of Christ, a day of earthly despair to be feared and dreaded.
The day of Christ will be a day of blessing and reward for the Body of Christ, a heavenly hope to be eagerly anticipated.
Do they sound like the same day ?
@@MC-sn2so Yes.. isn’t CHRIST and the LORD the same?? So therefore, DAY of Christ and DAY of the Lord is the same.. Have a blessed rest of day!
1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with a resurrection. There is only one resurrection (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6).
Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection (v. 37). The wicked are unaware (Matt 34:39a), then there is a flash of light and we leave our flesh on earth (Luke 17:37).
Everybody knows when the second coming is near (Rev 6:15-17).
Zech 14:16 shows some of the wicked come to belief at the second coming.
It’s nice to see so many people in the comments understand the pre-trib rapture isn’t scriptural. And there is no separation of Jew and Gentile. Paul said in Romans that salvation in Messiah grafts you in. Specifically, you’re grafted into the house of Israel. We are all ONE body in Messiah. We all get to experience the same judgments and blessings.
This is referring to dispensationalism which teaches that the Church Age comes to an end and God focusses on the people of Jerusalem, because He still has His Covenant with them. The Covenant that is mentioned in the Book of Daniel. This Covenant was between Him and the Jews. Jerusalem is the land of the Jews as God the Landlord has declared it.
I think you missed a not there 🤣
The pretrib rapture is a false doctrine
@@chrissmit2614 u might want to explain ur position
@@solaceboy Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)
10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
I thought when John saw the multitude in white the angle told him," these are those who have come through the great tribulation."?
New people get saved every second. They will continue to after the rapture. Most will be people who knew the bible but rejected it and the rapture will be a massive miracle. Then the two witnesses, the 144,000, the angels telling the world the gospel and warning not to take the mark, there will be MANY NEW CHRISTIANS AFTER THE RAPTURE! aswell as the JEWS who finally repent!
@@clark987878 how when the parable of the ten virgins contradicts that view
Two witness,lampstands and olive trees, Jewish and gentile believers, we are grafted to the Jewish tree and believing Jews become lampstands, churches, witnesses, three days equals three years then the resurrection of the dead we all dead bones rise up. Millions of believers, witnesses, will be slaughtered and left for years, buckle up rapture fantisisers
Ten virgins waiting in darkness,no more witnessing, rapture believers brought no oil, margaritas don't count, the eyes are the lamp of the soul, real, food and spiritual, gifts and inner peace, are our fuel oil
We know he will tarry,we know there will be no buying or selling or hospitals without the mark, just make sensible preparations. Come out of her my people lest the suffer her plagues
Hey Frank, I know we’re not appointed to God’s wrath and I leaned toward the pre-trib rapture, but it always bugged me that Mt24:15, 2 Thes 2:1-4 states that that day shall not come until the Antichrist is revealed. Also Re 7:9-17 the multitude seems to be the church once the 6th seal is broken. I know you probably get alot questions hope to hear your view on this!
The saints are somewhat protected from God's wrath (sealed) but totally subject to the beast's wrath. "And authority was given him over the saints to make war against the saints and to overcome them. To sword and to prison." Frank forgot about that passage.
And how can the beast make war against us if we are in heaven, with a cold drink in our hands?
@@civilization57 pre-trib rapture and trinity dogma only serves the antichrist. Because those believing in that can be manipulated by the antichrist that will sit in jerusalem and will say he is god ( jeus would never sy that ). Trinitarian can believe the antichrist is jesus, and he will do miracles also...so they can fall for it.
And since they think they don’t undertand the antichrist must come first the rapture, they are totally blind
Read Ezekiel 8/9 as a representative for being sealed. As were the Hebrews covered and protected from the angel of death in Egypt by the blood of the lamb.
Tribulation is not the same as wrath. We are appointed unto tribulation. Read 1 Thess. 3:3-4.
But we are not appointed unto wrath. Post trib pre wrath is the right view.
@@phaxad there is no rapture before Jesus comes in the clouds
The method and timeline that God chooses to employ for Christ’s return is His business not ours. Simply be ready and stop trying to put the Almighty into a box. With all respect 🙂
Amen!
Agreed!!!
When Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Zechariah, Jesus, Paul, Peter and John all teach about the last days, I think it is only fair for us to study the last days and draw some conclusions.
I mean, why else is there so much scripture devoted to the subject?
Hi John. That’s fair. I would only caution about being dogmatic on one interpretation versus another. And not let the end times be the sum total of your Christian identity and experience. It’s enough for me to know that the Lord will return. Peace to you.
Regardless of what position you take, we're all gonna find out in the end.
The World: "why do I hear boss music?"
LOL!
ROFL, Boss Music
I agree, we'll find out when events unfold. I do believe in a pre-tribulation catching away of the church, because we are not appointed unto wrath, and the tribulation is God's wrath being poured out on the world. Also, we must stand at the judgement seat of Christ, have the marriage supper of the Lamb, and per Jude - He will return with thousand thousand of His saints. How can we return with Him if we are not already with Him?
But, back to your point; I hear people say they want to ask Paul why this or that... I'm like, I'll be with Jesus my Savior, it won't matter why Paul did or did not do something the way we think it should have been done.
IT WAS JESUS WHO SPOKE TO JOHN, ABOUT THE SEVEN CHURCHES, WE WILL MEET THE LORD IN THE AIR, PEOPLE READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF. POPE IVA. 🕊🕯🕯🕯🕯🕯🕯🕯🕊
Maybe in the air means not in the grave, I'm sitting on my porch in the air right now
When the dead are raised they will be in the air where those of us who are alive , tribulation martyrs are coming with him
I've heard many preachers, wrongfully say that the Rapture takes place in Revelation 4, but you're the first one to push it back to chapters 2 and 3 where it does NOT mention the rapture of the church. It mentions the state of each church and what would happen if He should come then. Be careful not to add or take away from what is said in the vision.
What does pope iva mean?
The air is ANYWHERE above the ground. There does not seem to be a height of the air. Clouds can come lower to the ground, not just in the sky. Aint nobody leaving the earth if a new Jerusalem is coming here 🤷🏽♂️
Matthew 16:27
For the Son of man is to come in the glory of HIS Father (Jehovah) with his angels, and then he will repay each one according to his behavior. Ephesians 1:17
that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the accurate knowledge of him.
Jehovahs witness alert!!!!
Jesus is Yahweh....
@@sevensickszero8966 Amen!
@@sevensickszero8966 For anyone who disputes your statement:
Who comes on the Day of the Lord? Who else is called Almighty besides God? Whose image are we made in, if not Jesus', who has created all things besides God (Revelation 4:11 and Hebrews 1), The Word is God (John 1 and Genesis 1 (Revelation 19:13)), Who else is I AM that comes before Abraham and is greater than Moses? (Exodus 3:14, John 8:58, and Hebrews 3:3)
and a few others 1 Timothy 3:16, Philippians 2:6
Jesus is God also
I always thought this was clear that the 2 events were not the same.
That is not true. No rapture in the bible, can you prove it with the bible?, show the verses and do not speculate. There is only one event.
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
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16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a SHOUT (not in secret), with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP of God (not in secret): and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (picking up people)
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (this is the coming of Jesus Christ)
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Behold, he cometh with CLOUDS; and every EYE shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. (This is the coming of Jesus Christ.
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8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his COMING.
(It is clear the coming as the verse says will have trumpets, loud sounds brightness, and destruction)
You can see mattew 24 were it says we will be picked up after the tribulation
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For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the ELECT's sake those days shall be shortened.
AND FINALLY AND SUPER CLEAR.
29 IMMEDIATELY after the TRIBULATION (NOT BEFORE AS YOU SAY) of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a TRUMPET, and they shall GATHER together his ELECTS from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
ANY QUESTION? IT IS THE SAME EVENT NO RAPTURE.
@@misovejasescuchanmivoz 1 Corinthians 15:51
2 Seperate EVENTS:***
*#1)Rapture-* Jesus *COMING* in the Clouds with Great *****GLORY***** and GATHERING His Church, feet not touching the earth, **Matt.**24:30**-31**
*#2)"2nd Coming"-* Jesus riding a white horse *COMING* with the Armies of heaven and WRATH/DESTRUCTION, **Rev.19:11-21**
NO SCRIPTURES show Jesus coming in the Clouds at PRE TRIBULATION.
*These are the 2nd Coming:*
Rev.19:11-21
Rev.16:17-21 vs15 as a THIEF
Rev.14:17-20
Pre Trib is false.
But they happen on the same day.
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
Unknown deleted their first post so that it would delete my reply. What a nice fellow! So I will just repost it here. And Tony, you are right! Two different events!
Some other pieces that point to "two separate events". All the verses describing the rapture are being spoken to gentiles, not Jews, because Jews are not raptured, as they do not believe yet. All the verses describing the rapture are separate, and are not together with verses describing the return of Christ. At the rapture Jesus himself receives us in the clouds with the trumpet of God. Yet, at Christs return it's angels with trumpets and Angels who are gathering us. That is significant. The rapture is described as Jesus meeting us in the clouds and taking us to heaven, to a place he has been preparing for us. How can that be if the rapture is at his return, when we all stay here on earth to enter into the Millennial Kingdom? Elders often represent the church. Could the 24 elders seen in the beginning of Revelation be us the church? We know at some point in time we get crowns in heaven. These elders in revelation, washed clean in white robes, have crowns on their heads, who then later give them to Jesus. And these elders sing a song of redemption. Something to think about. Christs return is described as a time of revenge, and judgment. The rapture is described as comfort. Scriptures tell us we are not destined to the wrath of God. Scripture tells us we will escape the hour of testing that will come upon the whole earth. The Whole entire Tribulation is God's judgement. Not just the second half. This is clear with each seal He opens, God is granting something or giving something over to the Anti-Christ. Jesus is in control of unleashing the anti-Christ from the very first seal. And only He can open the seals. That is judgement directly from God starting from the very beginning of the tribulation. Being a believer, I know that we are washed clean of our sin, we are already forgiven. Like Scripture says, we are found blameless in the eyes of God. So God has no reason to judge us. He already knows our hearts, he chose us before he created the foundation of the earth. If I were to die today I would go straight to heaven, I would not be tested or judged first. The bible describes the tribulation as a time for unbelievers, "Jacobs Trouble". (The unbelieving Jews) And during this time the Jews will be saved. They will come to believe, and they will mourn and grieve as one mourns for a lost son. They will realize they were wrong, it was them who pierced Jesus and put him to death, and they will be saved. There is no need for us to be there. If we are suppose to be punished by God's judgement then why is there so much advise in the bible for the Jews who become believers during the tribulation, but yet no advice for the church? Those who become Christians during the tribulation are told what to do, what not to do, the holy spirit is working overtime within them, helping them to go through being martyred, speaking for them, etc.. as if the holy spirit has taken over their mind. But no advice for the church. Then right after the 6th seal there are 144 thousand believing Jews who are given a seal of protection from God. Every single one of those 144k come out of the tribulation uninjured and alive. It sounds to me like God didn't even want them to be there after they became believers! But I believe they are there to spread the gospel because most the church got raptured. This also debunks a mid-trib rapture at the 6th seal, because obviously the 144 believers are still there right after the 6th seal. Lastly, the rapture is describes as us all getting new immortal bodies. These new bodies cannot reproduce. So if the rapture is at the end, and every single believer left on the earth gets new bodies, and every single unbeliever who is left, is killed, then who populates the millennial kingdom? What mortal, reproducing, believers will there be to enter into the Kingdom? Because there is obviously people dying and having children in the Kingdom. The answer is, there is no rapture at Christs coming, because it already took place. Those believers who survive the tribulation go straight into the millennial Kingdom the way they are and they reproduce. I don't believe "unknown's" theory, as it's pretty "Unknown" to the bible. : )
“If you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). Now is the time to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Obey His commands and repent of your sins because Jesus is coming back soon. Tomorrow isn’t promised.
@HANUNIJA please stop pedaling channels that promote false teachings, peniel ngonde repeatedly posts videos of false prophets, and unbiblical nonsense, just like what you've listed in your thread here. "no earings", well the bible disagrees, an awl was put through the ears of willing permanent indentured servants or slaves in the old testament, as a sign that they were the masters forever, as well as that i believe it was abrahams wife sarah who had a ring put through her nose to symbolise her marriage with abraham.... no fake fingernails? not in scripture whatsoever, women are called to be modest, it merely comes down to interpretation as to what would be considered modest or immodest at that point, which we should rely on the bibles description of, none of which to my knowledge reference fake nails. plenty of Godly women in the bible wear jewelry, in fact God even commanded the israelites to take with them all the gold jewelry from the Egyptians when they were fleeing captivity, please read your bible. "do not go to any church" the bible (Gods holy word) repeatedly tells us to convene as the body of Christ, obviously we shouldn't go to any churches that have beliefs contrary to scripture, or any that we perceive to be contrary to scripture, for example i don't currently attend a church, because i haven't found one which aligns with my beliefs on several key issues. i agree with no tattoos personally, as it was listed as something which God didn't seem to like, and commanded the israelites not to get them or cut marks in their flesh for the dead. "no short trousers, and no t shirts with short sleeves" i guess you have ZERO idea of how people used to dress in the times the bible was written, add to that that nowhere in scripture does it mention anything about not having sleeves, shorts, etc. i agree that roman catholocism is lost and steeped in idolatry. But please, READ YOUR BIBLE, much of the stuff you've posted here is NONSENSE, UNBIBLICAL, and FALSE TEACHING, please repent to the Lord thy God my brother, as we all have to when we stumble, stop believing in FALSE teachers, and DOCTRINES OF DEVILS, like the false prophets peniel ngonde puts on his channel, as far as the vaccine goes, i certainly won't be taking it under any circumstances. God bless you and keep you. i pray you see the light.
@HANUNIJA why are you on literally every single christian channel promoting this?!
To BE saved:
*Acts 2:38*
To STAY saved:
*Gal.**5:13**-*21*
Rom.10 CONTEXT is about Israel from the prophecy concerning the Millenial Reign.
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Stay saved? Jesus died for nothing then.
I love Frank's ministry and believe that he's doing great work for the kingdom. BUT, the rapture is just not in scripture anywhere. I pray that he will consider open discussion about what the Holy Bible "really" says.
Interesting you say that, as its very clear to me that its 2 seperate events.
The rapture IS in scripture. Rapture means “to be caught up” and it says the dead in Christ and then the living will be caught up to the clouds. How can you miss that?
@@sandina2cents779 Fair point. To be clear, I was taking exception to the popular belief in a "pre-trib" rapture. I think any clear reading of 1Thes 4:17 teaches us that the events described there are the final Resurrection at Christ's second coming. A time when we will rise to meet Him "in the air" so we can join Him in His triumphal return to earth to make all things new. That's the "rapture" I believe in. I think it's good to study and debate these ideas but we should not be divided over them. To God be the glory.
@@chriscarlson2165 oh, I agree. I believe in a post rapture as well and that it is an in-house debate not a salvation issue. When I read your comment It said the rapture is not there (at all) is how I read it. Thank you for the clarification and for responding.
Thanks for such great insights. I am only wondering now about 2Peter 3:10But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare.
11Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives.
So my question is, how do you reconcile 2Peter 3:10-11? Thanks!
Pre-millenialists would say Peter is describing the end of the millennium. Peter was an amillenialist. Paul was a post-tribber. Jesus was a pre-tribber.
1 Thes 4:13-17 is the second coming with a resurrection. There is only one resurrection (John 6:39-54, 11:24, Rev 20:4-6).
Jesus said in Luke 17:22-37 is the pre-trib rapture without a resurrection (v. 37). The wicked are unaware (Matt 34:39a), then there is a flash of light and we leave our flesh on earth (Luke 17:37). Everybody knows when the second coming is near (Rev 6:15-17). Just because Peter didn't describe everything doesn't make him wrong.
Can you imagine being "raptured" before the second coming, completely miss the climax.
And I’ll be watching it from heaven.
You misunderstood the scripture. The church will be raptured to be with Christ in the air before the tribulation and when Jesus returns with His glory which is the second coming of Christ we will be with Him when He returns. Those who believe will miss nothing.
@@chrismarple lol is it just me who cant wait to actually see how jesus looks like and meet him in person?? that would be really cool
Well fortunately, we will come down together with Jesus to the earth, that's when Jesus will reign as king on the earth for a 1000 years. So technically you will only miss the 3.5 years of tribulations :P
@@Onomisan no we will miss all 7 years of the tribulation
Pastor Jack Hibbs seems to be one of the many that are confused about the Lords 2nd coming|
Pastor Jack, Jesus comes back TWICE during Daniels 70th week, once at the end of the Tribulation at the day of the Lord the 6th seal in the CLOUDS to gather the dead in Christ and all those that remain then 42 months later at the end of the 7th seal, Jesus returns the 2nd time, this time with all the saints and the Lords feet touch the earth Zechariah 14:5 "...the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee" The Tribulation is 3.5 years or 1335 days from the 1st seal to the 6th seal the END of the Tribulation hence the Rapture Matthew 24:29-31The 2nd time the Lord comes back towards the end of the 7th seal at the 6th Trumpet 6th Vial just prior to the destruction of Mystery Babylon THENRevelation 11:15
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Love this channel, it's good apologetics. I'm at a loss though at why such bad theologies and heresies like rapture are presented seriously.
@Sōsuke Aizen Can you please elaborate on why rapture is an heresy?
The following proves you are correct. I was also disappointed to see Frank embrace this recent man-made doctrine.
The pretrib doctrine is required by Dispensational Theology to get the Church off the planet so that God can go back and deal with Israel under the Old Covenant system. It is not found in the Bible.
Who is really teaching “Replacement Theology” ?
(Did God fulfill His promises to the Jewish people at Calvary? Matthew 26:28, John 19:30)
The advocates of modern Dispensational Theology often accuse others of promoting “Replacement Theology”, or some may even say “Antisemitism”. What does the Bible say about their accusations?
1. Who is replacing Christ as the seed of Abraham through which all the families of the Earth would be blessed in Genesis 12:3, with Abraham’s modern descendants? (See Galatians 3:8)
2. Who is replacing the one people of God in John 10:16, with two peoples of God ?
3. Who is replacing the one seed (Christ) in Galatians 3:16, with the many seeds?
4. Who is replacing the children of the promise in Romans 9:8, with the children of the flesh?
5. Who is replacing the faithful “remnant” of Israelites in Romans 11:1-5, with the Baal worshipers?
6. Who is replacing the word "so" in Romans 11:26, with the word "then"?
7. Who is attempting to replace the Church made up of all races of people, with one made up only of Gentiles? Why did Peter address the crowd as “all the house of Israel” in Acts 2:36, when about 3,000 Israelites accepted Christ on the Day of Pentecost?
8. Based on Hebrews 9:15, the New Covenant cannot be separated from the Messiah’s death. Is the covenant in Daniel 9:27 connected to the Messiah’s death in Daniel 9:26. Is the covenant with the “many” in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the “many” in Matthew 26:28? If it is, some have replaced the New Covenant in Daniel 9:27 with a future covenant made by an antichrist not found in Daniel chapter 9. (See the 1599 Geneva Bible used by the Pilgrims.)
9. Those promoting the Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology often accuse others of teaching “Replacement Theology”, but are they the masters of it? Are they promoting a form of Dual Covenant Theology based on race? (See “genealogies” in Titus 3:9)
10. Watch the TH-cam video “Genesis of Dispensational Theology” to see the origin of this man-made doctrine, which is less than 200 years old. It was brought to the United States about the time of the Civil War by John Nelson Darby. The doctrine was later incorporated into the notes of the Scofield Reference Bible, and then spread through much of the modern Church.
Dallas Theological Seminary in Dallas Texas was created in part to promote John Darby’s Two Peoples of God doctrine of Dispensational Theology.
Lewis Sperry Chafer, the first president of Dallas Theological, had the following to say about the difference between Israel and the Church:
“The dispensationalist believes that throughout the ages God is pursuing two distinct purposes: one related to the earth with earthly people and earthly objectives involved which is Judaism; while the other is related to heaven with heavenly people and heavenly objectives involved, which is Christianity.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer, Dispensationalism (Dallas, Seminary Press, 1936), p. 107.
Chafer states that, ‘Israel is an eternal nation, heir to an eternal land, with an eternal kingdom, on which David rules from an eternal throne,’ that is, on earth and distinct from the church who will be in heaven.”
Lewis Sperry Chafer. Systematic Theology. 1975. Vol. IV. pp. 315-323.
John Walvoord, another prominent voice of Dallas Theological stated…
"...it is an article of normative dispensational belief that the boundaries of the land promised to Abraham and his descendants from the Nile to the Euphrates will be literally instituted and that Jesus Christ will return to a literal and theocratic Jewish kingdom centred on a rebuilt temple in Jerusalem. In such a scheme the Church on earth is relegated to the status of a parenthesis.”
John F. Walvoord, The Rapture Question.1979, p. 25
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Are there two peoples of God in John 10:16? (See also 1 John 2:22-23, 2 John 1:7-11.)
What is the land promise to the Old Testament Saints in Hebrews 11:15-16?
Based on 2 Peter 3:10-13, is this earth “eternal”? Will it be replaced by a new earth?
Based on Acts 2:36, and Romans 9:6-8, and Romans 11:1-5, and Hebrews 12:22-24, and James 1:1-3, can faithful Israel and the Church be separated into two different groups?
Who is the New Covenant promised to in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and Hebrews 8:6-13?
Will modern Orthodox Jews ever be saved outside of the New Covenant Church?
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You are free to believe whatever you want, however, Christians today have a tendency to be arrogant while being ignorant and can easily believe things that aren’t biblical.
First, There are a number of early church writings that we have on this topic. It’s not a “new idea”
Here are 2 from the first and 2nd Century.
-Church father Irenaeus wrote in the mid-second century. He was taught under Polycarp, the disciple of the Apostle John, and occasionally saw the Apostle John. Irenaeus wrote a five-volume work entitled “Against Heresies” against the cults of his day. In this work he described the rapture of the church as pre-tribulational, refuting those who said there will be no physical resurrection. The church will be caught up, or raptured, then the seven-year tribulation will occur.
“When in the end that church will suddenly be caught up from this, then it is said, ‘There will be tribulation such as not been since the beginning, nor will be.’” Irenaeus “Against Heresies 5.29
Another excerpt Another is Ephraim 373 AD “…because all saints and the elect of the LORD are gathered together before the Tribulation which is about to commence be taken to the LORD…” On the Last Times 2-Ephraim the Syrian 373 AD
Second, forget the term Rapture for a moment, and let's read the Bible.
If we read Jesus' words in john 14:1-3
“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. 2 In My Father’s house are many [a]mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also."
The question is when will Jesus do this? If this is what He's promised when does it happen?
We see in the text Jesus has prepared a place (mansions/rooms) for us but they are not on earth. They are in His Father's house. Where is that? I conclude it's Heaven.
So when does Jesus come and receive us to Himself and take us to Heaven?
People say the 2nd Coming.
Let's take a look at that. Zechariah 14.
Then the Lord will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle. 4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east. And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
verse 5b Thus the Lord my God will come, And all the saints with You.
verse And the Lord shall be King over all the earth. (Where? Heaven? No Earth) In that day it shall be- “The Lord is one,” And His name one.
16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the [i]punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
So the question is has this happened yet? I don't believe so. It sounds a lot like the New Testament description of the 2nd Coming in Revelation 19:11-16.
So if Zechariah is about the 2nd Coming then it clearly says Jesus will come to earth and reign
16 "And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."
So when does Jesus come and gather us and take us to Heaven if He comes and reigns on earth at His 2nd Coming?
There's also another set of questions.
In Romans 5:8-9 it says 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.
In 1 Thessalonians 5:9 it says 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
Paul also references a term called the "day of the LORD" in these chapters. In 1 Thess 5:1-3
But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.
2 Thess 2:1-4 Now we ask you, brothers and sisters, regarding the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit, or a message, or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3 No one is to deceive you in any way! For it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself above [e]every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.
So what is the "day of the LORD"? Zephaniah 1:14-18 says The great day of the Lord is near;
It is near and hastens quickly. The noise of the day of the Lord is bitter; There the mighty men shall cry out.
15 That day is a day of wrath, A day of trouble and distress, A day of devastation and desolation, A day of darkness and gloominess, A day of clouds and thick darkness, 16 A day of trumpet and alarm Against the fortified cities And against the high towers. 17 “I will bring distress upon men, And they shall walk like blind men, Because they have sinned against the Lord; Their blood shall be poured out like dust, And their flesh like refuse.” 18 Neither their silver nor their gold Shall be able to deliver them In the day of the Lord’s wrath; But the whole land shall be devoured By the fire of His jealousy, For He will make speedy riddance Of all those who dwell in the land."
So because Paul wrote about the "Day of the LORD" we can assume that Zephaniah 1 hadn't happened yet.
So does the Bible tell us when God's Wrath will come on the Earth?
Revelation 6:15-17
15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Revelation 15:1 says "Then I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvelous: seven angels having the seven last plagues, for in them the wrath of God is complete."
Continued in Part 2.
Haw, there'll be a lot of 'apologetics' from all these lead mutton, whence they denounce the 'Rapture'; consider a big company like Chick Tracts having to issue a tract, 'Oopsie~! Rapture Wrong: My Bad'
Lots of tears aflowing, but at least after the blubbering dies down, and sniffles, the church can rejoice, Midnight Cry of Matthau 25 sounds, the Ten Virgins Awaken, and God willing the church will have spiritual power prior to the pre-Tribulation flight. GTGTG und God bless
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And this is the will of Him that sent Me: that every one who seeth the Son and believeth in Him may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the Last Day.”
John 6:40
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1 Thessalonians 4:15+16
The caught up event and the resurrection are the same event, which will take place at the coming of the lord on the last day.
This is why I don't believe ...
Paul in 1 Corinthians 15 says that all are changed in the twinkling of an eye, at the LAST trumpet. 1 Corinthians 15:55 thus will fulfill the saying O death where is thy sting? etc. Paul is quoting Hosea 13:14 (It's exact in the Greek Septuagint) It's about Israel's resurrection. So what Paul is doing is telling Christians (who were gentiles (Corinthians)) That they and Israel would be resurrected at the same time. (NOT at different times)
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Why in 2 Thessalonians 2 would Paul tell the Thessalonians (who are gentiles) that THEY would be seeing the man of sin? It says when YOU see the man of sin. (the same thing that Christ Jesus told the disciples (Matthew 24:15)) If the pre-tribulation rapture doctrine is correct, the Thessalonians (being formerly gentles, and members of the Church) would be gone three years before the man of sin is revealed. Making Paul tell them something that shouldn't matter to them, and that doesn't make sense.
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Paul says that Christ does not come to us as a thief in the night (but in light). 1 Thessalonians 5:4 "But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief." (Only those who abide in darkness will be overtaken like as if by a thief.) As Jesus said in Matthew 24, and Luke 21 Blessed is the man found working when I return (NOT the man asleep, and drunk). (Paul makes it clear Christ Jesus only comes as a thief to those drunk, and asleep. 1 Thessalonians 4 has no time indication that implies pre-tribulation rapture. Though It is connected to scripture that implies otherwise. Pauls says with the shout of the archangel He knew this from Daniel 12 when Michael stands up Paul also says that Christ Jesus brings the dead with him when he returns Daniel 12 says that Daniel will stand at the END OF DAYS (when ALL his prophecies are fulfilled)
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Warning us of false christ's in the end times close to his return (Matthew 24) Christ Jesus said that he has told us all things. The doctrine of pre-tribulation rapture makes Jesus out to be a lair! Teaching that Paul taught a new mystery about the return of Christ, when Christ said that he had already told us all things. The mystery in 1 Corinthians 15 wasn't new information, but was a mystery in that THEY did not know that the people who are alive at the end will also be changed at his coming, like the dead. This was not something that was new to people familiar with scripture, but was only new information to these people at Corinth, being ignorant of verses like Zechariah 14:12, 1 John 3:2, Philippians 3:21, Isaiah 65:17, and Job 19:26 ("yet in my flesh" would be better translated as "out of my flesh", "without my flesh", or "away from my flesh.") also Paul had just prepped them about it in 1 Corinthians 15:50 It's worth noting that Paul says to them I SHOW YOU a mystery, not THE LORD SHOWS YOU a mystery (because YHVH had already shown people this through his word) Also Paul says I show YOU, not I show ALL people. (all people have already been made privy to this information through the rest of scripture, the scriptures that the people of Corinth were unaware of, making it necessary for Paul to teach by showing what was a mystery to THEM.
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The great falling away in 2 Thessalonians 2 (Greek apostasy - to leave the truth) Can only be committed by Christians, for Christians are the only ones with truth. Everyone else already worships Satan through false religions and idols. They can't fall away from the truth because they don't have any truth to fall away from. Apostasy is the giving up of ones faith. Faith is the evidence of things not seen (Hebrews 11:1) again Faith is the evidence of things NOT seen. If this doctrine is correct, and a pre-tribulation rapture takes place. The people left on earth who believe in Jesus after his rapture, would not be believing in faith, for they have seen the rapture, they would be believing because they have seen, which is not faith. This makes it impossible for them to commit apostasy, because you need faith to commit apostasy. You can only have faith if you haven't seen. They only have belief through seeing, and not belief through faith. John 20:29 "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed" Again people who believe in Jesus after the rapture cannot commit the great apostasy, You need to have belief through faith to commit apostasy, not belief because you have seen. That would only leave the Elect (since the church has been raptured in this doctrine) to commit the great apostasy, which they will never do. (Matthew 24:22) This is why there has to be non-elect members of the church (who already have faith without seeing) to be on earth during the tribulation. Because they are the only ones who can commit apostasy. Not the Elect, Not people who believe after the rapture, But real Christians, with faith, going through the tribulation. (the churches in Revelations who Christ Jesus warns to stay loyal to the end.)
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P.S. the ones kept from the hour of temptation (the elect), have the seal of God, causing them to not find the temptation tempting, but to be an abomination. John 17:15 "I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil."
... In my father's house are many mansions and where I go I prepare a place for you and where I am you will be is not about rapture, Ephesians 2 says we abode already there because we are in him. Ephesians 2:6 "and God raised us up with Christ and seated us with Him in the Heavenly realms in Christ Jesus,"
... 2:19-22 "Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God's household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy Temple in the Lord. And in Him you too are being built together into a dwelling place for God in His Spirit.
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Our gathering up with Christ will not be until there be a falling away first (the great apostasy of the church), and that the man of sin will sit in the place he ought not, claiming to be God. And Christ Jesus will destroy him at his coming.
Revelation 2:10-11
"Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."
(Delivered to "death", the son of perdition, another name for Satan,
Apollyon/Abaddon, all these mean death basically, it's his name.)
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The positive side of this is that the mark of the beast is not the unpardonable sin, and those who commit apostasy have opportunity to repent,
The Holy Spirit witnesses through the elect,
People who hear can repent, and be saved, coming out of great tribulation.
Revelation 7:14, (22:14)
"... These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
People with the mark will receive wrath.
Just as thieves do not inherit the Kingdom.
But at no point does it say that God takes away His grace during the tribulation.
If they repent, their sin is blotted out,
Making them white as snow, never having taken the mark.
The thief is no longer a thief
and David is no longer a murderer for what happened to Uriah the Hittite.
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The Church of Philadelphia is kept from the hour of temptation (not tribulation)
Like Daniel's three friends
They were kept from being burned (temptation)
But not kept out of the furnace (tribulation)
2 Peter 2:9
"The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:"
As someone who believes that scripture plainly says that the rapture happens as the Lord returns, I was honestly hoping this video might sway me (because who doesn't want to believe in a pre-trib rapture?), but I was very disappointed. He really provides no actual evidence, just more of the same reading between the lines of scripture.
I do try not to argue with people about this, but as this video is going to reach a lot of people, I feel like I've got to to say something--in love--dispensationalists and pre-tribbers in general read so much into the text of the Bible that isn't explicitly written, and not just in the prophetic books (where it might be warranted). On the rapture, every verse about the rapture either does not explicitly distinguish itself from the Day of the Lord, directly references the Day of the Lord, or in the case of that first Thessalonians verse he referenced, when it says we shall be caught up in the air, it literally says that that will happen "*at the last trump*"!
Also, I just don't understand how people can read Jesus' words in Matthew 24 and read into the text that "well, that must only be for the Jews who are left on Earth after the rapture"--it just kills me. Jesus did not say that. He says very plainly, "After the tribulation of those days, I will return with my angels, with the sound of the trumpet, and I will gather my elect" (paraphrasing)--where is the irrefutable proof in scriptures that by "elect", he secretly was only referring to post-rapture believers or Jews? Jesus nor the apostles explicitly reference a separate event, the church fathers did not believe it was a separate event, so why do we? The church not being explicitly referenced after Revelation chapter 4 again, is reading into the text, it's actually reeeeally reaching there, and in light of the other scriptures, likely is coincidental.
I'm sorry, I really tried to believe a pre-trib rapture, but it's just not in there, folks. I listen to some pastors and teachers whom I highly respect and who are otherwise very theologically and doctrinally sound who believe this, and for me the only explanation is that they're interpreting scripture through a lens of fear of the tribulation (which is understandable). If this is you, I want to encourage you to really look at the scriptures and do some introspection, make sure you're not reading things into the text that aren't there, don't just believe what your favorite pastor or teacher says on it, really read the scriptures.
In the parable of the foolish bridesmaids, half of the bridesmaids were not expecting the groom to be delayed, so they neglected to bring enough oil to get them through the dark night--don't let that be you. Jesus and the apostles ask us to live *in expectation* of His return, but that does not mean that the rapture will be totally random. It will happen as Jesus said in Matthew 24. The scriptures teach us that while we will not know the day or the hour of His return, we will know the season, which is why Jesus teaches us what events will be surrounding His return. The scriptures are clear: we will be raptured as He returns, after the events described in Matthew 24. Stay in the Word, stay in prayer, stay in church, stay in fellowship with God and other believers, so that you will be prepared to go through tribulation! ❤️
Just to make you scratch your head, I want to recommend Torah Family's video on the church of Philadelphia. Definitely worth your time! Actually, a lot of his video's leave me scratching my head! In a good way!!!
@DOPE u didn't explain or provide scriptural evidence to back your claim.
Courtney, I too used to believe in the pre trib.
But I only believed it because I had my favorite teachers teach about it, but as so much confusion went on and debates I watched about the two grew more disturbing, I decided to ask the holy spirit to reveal to me the truth, I studied as he guided me, and yes, there's no escaping, all through, scriptures are telling us blessed is who shall endure till the end, for he shall be saved, christians have always faced persecution, watch the period of the dark ages documentary, christians in Nigerians, christians in India, Coptic christians in Egypt, the Uganda Martyrs etc, the apostles all went through tribulation, where was there rapture? What makes u special?
Yes we will be here during the times, but God has promised never to abandon us, he was with the Israelites in the desert and provided for them, there was no rapture for them their, he was with Mesach, Shadrach and Abednego, in the fire, the fired just didn't burn them but they where not raptured out, he put Noah in the arc while the floods went on, Noah was not snatched out of the earth, he was with Daniel in the lion's den, the lions didn't touch him, Daniel was not raptured out,
So we will be on earth 🌎, but remember this, and Carry it with u, even when those times come,👇
1He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High
Shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty. Psalms 91
The Lord will make us strong, and we will not feel the toughness of the time, like Steven did, he smiled as they stoned him.
Stay blessed.
@DOPE yes exactly, *"...at the last trumpet"*.
@DOPE true, I hope u not confusing me for a pre trib believer, I believe the church will be here.
Revelation 5:7 At once the lamb (Jesus) came forward and took the scroll out of the RIGHT HAND of the One seated on the throne (JEHOVAH). Revelation 7:10
And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”- Please Share The Truth :)
Jehovahs witness alert!!!!
@@choosejesus1910 you choose Jesus but are uncapable of listening to him or loving him: John14:24 Whoever does not love me does not observe my words. The word that you are hearing is not mine, but belongs to the Father who sent me
Matthew 24 Luke 21 mark 13 the end off the age Jesus was talking about his day because of all that prediction he says all these things will happen before this generation passes away he was talking about the generation he was living in and I believe John was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. in the book of revelations.
“Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?”
John 14:8-9 KJV
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Bingo...
The Rapture isn't Biblical, and the Second Coming is. The Rapture doctrine was created only around 1830 in Scotland, never having been referred to in any written word in the Bible or other Christian texts before then. It then spread to Protestant Christianity mainly in America, but it is not Biblically sound, only being based on a few scriptures taken out of context, and flies in the face of Jesus' prophetic word found in Revelations.
Agreed, a rapture or catching away at the moment of Christ’s return however, is and is how I believe Paul describes it in Thessalonians as one event. The problem is we as a Church have developed an escapist mentality for too long rather than an overcoming mentality. Either way, the return of Jesus is what we all agree on and if we escape the tribulation or not is a secondary issue.
@HANUNIJA I took the vaccine and still love Jesus with all my heart! Agreed that no one should be forced against their will to take the vaccine and that we should pray without ceasing! God bless,
The pre-tribulation rapture of the Church must happen in order to put an end to the preaching of Paul's gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) otherwise the two witnesses will be accursed for preaching the gospel of the Kingdom during the first three and a half years of the Tribulation Period.
Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom during his Earthly ministry and stated that it would be preached before the end comes and what did the gospel of the Kingdom state in it according to Jesus?
It stated that you must endure until the end to get saved which fits in with having to deal with the Mark Of The Beast system that will occur during the Tribulation Period.
When one believes (trusts) Paul's gospel (1 Corinthains 15:1-4) they are saved the moment they believe (trust) the gospel (1 Corinthains 15:1-4).
Such a thing proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the gospel of the Kingdom and the gospel that Paul preached are not the same gospel.
Everything that I stated above is in the bible revealing the clear fact that a pre-Tribulation rapture of the Church is going to happen.
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Let us humble ourselves and heed the example of the Pharasees. They too had prophecies. And in their self-righteousness and arrogance, they were so convinced THEY knew THEY had unlocked the secrets. They ALONE had the RIGHT answers. They KNEW what He would be about. OOPS!!!
Even non-believers are hooked on end of the world, rapture and mark of the beast stuff but nobody is repenting and taking Jesus seriously. "First seek the Kingdom of God".
N.T Wright explanation on this very topic make more sense than the evangelical Christians escapism in our day.
Revelation 1:9
9 I, John, your brother and fellow participant in the tribulation and kingdom and perseverance in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
Mr Hibbs is spot on and is correct, imo.
Personally, when it comes to eschatology, I've researched many of the dominant positions. In regards to the rapture, etc. , pre tribulation rapture simply makes the most sense. A few months ago I was on the fence in regards to preterism, but I've pulled back, as I think you have to infer a lot into certain passages when it comes to the application of apocalyptic language. As far as Post Mill, etc., I believe you have to ignore huge chuncks of scripture or force things into text that don't fit. You can't just explain away a third temple-which Preterist do by, imo, revisionist history, you can't just explain away a one world government, millions of people being killed in droves, constellations as we know them being shaken, conflicts between particular nations. Scripture is just too explicit about certain things.
Then I believe you have a cogent explanation as to why Christianity for most of its history didn't believe in a pre-trib rapture. May you be so kind as to give us the reason?
@@SerendipitousProvidence Conjecture. The early church did not agree 100 percent on these matters. Even if I did concede that, scripture takes precedence over church fathers. The Apostles _themselves_ believed in pre trib, as was the point of my comment. It's the only thing that makes sense. People tend to use hyperbole when using the early church as something to refute what scripture actually says.
What happens during the time of the two witnesses.
During the time of the two witnesses they are ministering during the last 3 1/2 years and then they are killed and then raptured and at that same time is when the church is raptured. It is true that we will not experience God wrath but did you know that Satan has wrath too and he is released and he makes war against the saints. So who are the saints. The saints is the church.
Tribulation is already happening, around the world our brothers and sisters are being persecuted and going through great trials. Let’s pray to persevere and not grow weary. Come Lord Jesus- even so come!
Is already happening. These days are peaceful compared to a hundred years before and past. Really caught up in the story/drama. Great read, right?
Thank you CE
Jack Hibbs did a pretty good job explaining it
I think there’s a lot simpler way to communicate this. Frank how would you explain this more simply?
No there isn't thats the issue with Pre-trib it requires twisting, stretching and arguments from silence. Jesus said AFTER, full stop.
praise the Lord and God bless you amen
I love Pastor Jack, he talks in a way that gets me closer to God, good teacher!
If you are born again, you are as close to God, as you can be! Not by works or study😉❤
Bless you
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I think he's wrong on this subject but he's one of my fav pastors.
So many will fall away when tribulation comes instead of the rapture sadly
Very well explained thank you brother
I was trying to think about what christ is doing and it makes sense he is preparing the place for us thank you JESUS CHRIST
This channel needs to be focusing on the scriptures and not someone elses opinions or believes. Stop adding or taking away from the bible people. Its sad when these woke pastors get on here and lead people astray. Read your bible and ask God to reveal the word to you and Stop trusting what someone else says.
When Jesus comes the SECOND time He will appear to those who look for Him and love Him. Hebr 9:28.
This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.( Second time.Acts 1:11.)
Immediately after the tribulation Jesus shall appear from Heaven. (SECOND TIME) Matt. 24:29-30.
When Jesus comes the second time He will descent from Heaven and we will meet Him in the air.( 1Thes 4:16).
When Jesus comes the second time we will be gathering together unto Him.(2 Thes 2:1).
When Jesus comes the second time He will come in flaming fire and vengeance to those unbelievers who had fallen away from the truth and then Jesus will be glorified in his saints in that day.(2Thes 1:8,10).
Before Jesus comes the second time a falling away from the truth must take place for the antichrist to be revealed.(2Thes 2:3)
When Jesus comes the second time He will destroy the antichrist with the brightness of His coming and those who had fallen away from the truth..(2Thes 2:8,10).
Nobody is going to disappear (raptured) before Jesus comes the second time.
You are 100% correct.
Pre-Trib rapture doctrine was invented in the 1800's and has risen to popularity because it makes Christianity easy. Same with the Prosperity Doctrine and Word of Faith.
Thank you
It is good to note that the book of Revelations was meant to be a circular letter. Meant to be passed to the 7 churches mentioned in Revelation. Whenever you interpret scripture, you have to ask. Who was this written to and why. Revelation is actually an Greek word denoting a revealing of something, an uncovering and so the larger question is, what is Jesus trying to uncover for his church, first, to the original audience and then to us, believers today
The start of the book is the letters, then the revelations start.
Each church had specific words directed to them, alongside the same revelation to all 7.
Inevitably this has lead to a pre/post rapture debate. I've all but stopped taking part but what bothers me is how nearly everyone can be so dogmatic about what they believe and question others about whether they are "rightly dividing the word" I think this verse is being extremely misused. They are basically saying I'm right and your wrong because your not understanding properly.
I'm just going to throw this out there. The pre trib rapture doesn't exist within scripture. I've looked personally and it ain't there. The whole thing started in 1827, not with the apostles, or Christ himself. If that's the case, then how can it be biblically sound? It can't.
Have u checked out. Isaiah 26 19-21
Ya no pre trib rapture there. And Daniel 11 33 sounds like we going through a tough time as Christians before we read Daniel 12 when we get caught up ya it sounds like a great story but these churches nowadays make up what they heard rather than what they studied pick and choose and confuse the masses im sorry but WE ARE GONNA BE IN A WORLD OF HURT IF WE CANT LET THE HOLY SPIRIT TRULY BE OUR GUIDE IN THESE LAST DAYS GOD BLESS BRO
Preach! Post trib, pre wrath.
"I hate those who teach my children to fly to save their souls. "
Why on earth would you be looking for it in scripture before Paul ? Did you not understand the bit when Paul said I tell you a mystery/secret "μυστήριον" ? It wouldn't be a mystery Paul was revealing if you could find it in scripture before he revealed it.
Learn to walk before trying to run. This is all very interesting and we should learn it but first thing's first. Remember we must repent and have patient endurance. Just watch and be ready. Patience is the thing life isn't going to be EASY you will want to give up but don't give up. Look for all the signs listen to the warnings and listen for God's communication to you. Don't trust religious leaders
Christians wake up. Christ is coming again and you don't understand who He is.
Malachi chapter 3 is going to happen and you're NOT prepared!
I know there is a lot of debate on whether or not specific verses refer to two different events, when it comes to Jesus return….However, I find it fascinating that Jesus 1st coming has verses related to two different events: his birth which includes where he was born and would grow up, his parentage, his trip to Egypt etc…. And the second describing his entry into Jerusalem…him being the suffering servant, how he would rise from the dead…
So if his first coming had two separate “events”….is it possible that his second could have two also? Just my random thoughts..
So where does it talk about a third coming of Christ? I thought there were only 2? 1 Thessalonians 4:17 will not work friend, it says Christ will physically be in the sky and verse 17 never says we go back to heaven. You have to inject that into the text. Here's an illustration, if an airplane is in the air is it present on the earth? The answer is yes. Christ brings with Him the saints who died in Christ and people are resurrected with glorified bodies. You cannot detach verse 17 from the rest of the verses in 1 Thessalonians 4, it's a letter. Context matters.
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A wealthy, handsome man asks a plain average women to marry him. She joyfully says yes.
However, he has to go away for 7 years. “I will come back and receive you to myself.”
She promises to wait. She prepares her wedding dress. She showers and gets dressed, then waits patiently and faithfully looking for the glorious day when her man returns.
He sends his servants regularly to give her a beating - just to make sure that she really wants to get married. Then eventually he comes to get her.
O, glorious hope!!!
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Post tribulation is a doctrine of pride. “I’m going to show God how faithful I am. He’s going to be so proud of me!”
He’s not. God opposes the proud.
Post trib is an excuse to buy more ammo, wear camouflage, and discuss with your friends ie (Keepers Of Obscure Knowledge) how you’re going to survive it all.
I am wondering what Mt 24 vs 29-31 is speaking of. It seems after a terrible time (possibly the tribulation?) Christ will gather His elect and all the world will be watching... this is not His return?
Hey it's so if you read that verse in context continue to read it. Christ is speaking about the Jewish people and the nations being gathered to the valley of decision. Wherein with the rapture the body of christ meets the Lord in the air. You have to remember that and Torah the elect was used specifically of Jewish people Two different events that have a few similarities.
@@jameswatts2338 after reading it in context, I am going to have to disagree with you. Christ is not coming to bring the world to a valley of decision, in context, this is not what His disciples were asking. They did not phrase the question as: after you come back to get us, then what???, No, it was a question of His return, verse 30 states the whole world will see Him and mourn. From verse 1 til verse 51 there is no mention of a separate event. As much as I want to believe it, in context, this is for the church to read and understand, not so that unsaved people will know what's coming after we are gone... Even Jesus said that the Pharisee's were not Abraham's children, only the followers of Christ. We as believers are the elect. Please show me some supportive scriptures that tell me otherwise...
Problem with eschatology is most of it's conjecture. We don't know for sure, myself included...but we all have ideas. Matthew 24 shows Jesus in the clouds but he sends his angels to gather those that are his, but doesn't physically return. It shouldn't be surprising that the world sees it because even during the bowl judgements, people are cursing God for what's going on and refusing to repent...As if they have knowledge of God but still refuse Him. If you read Matthew 24:29 it seems to correlate with Revelation 6:12. It seems we may be around for the first 6 seals, which are a tribulation but in chapter 7 vs 9, we are called home. After that, it's no longer tribulation but Gods wrath being poured out via the trumpets and the bowls.
Could I be wrong? Absolutely! But it's how I read it at the time. God bless all! And remember to stay strong and trust God no matter who is correct.
@@DaveBaldwin1 thanks brother. Your comment is well received. I do not believe that a pre, mid, or post trib rapture is a salvation issue. We could have theology correct and miss the mark of God. Maranatha. Take care.
Check the video from FAI (frontier alliance international), they explain your question very well in their video "4 reasons why we don't believe in the pretrib rapture"
Yes your analysis os good Jesus comes back at the seventh trumpet.
With the rapture will we here a trumpet or will it just be a split second
I don't get what he said. Can someone explain to me please
I use to be all caught up in the rapture doctrine. You know Left behind and all. Then I read in Mathew 13 the parable of the sower the last few verses show Angelic reapers bundle and burn the wicked then the church is caught up! There is no greater authority in the Bible then Jesus Christ. I felt foolish all these years cutting and pasting bible verses together. You know the 70 weeks plus this plus that. He who survives to the end will be saved!!! Read it, It opened my eyes.
Just think about how Christs disciples died. They did not get raptured!!! What makes us so special?
Except that they WILL get raptured, they are apart of the dead in Christ
Thank you.... Finally someone thinking like a Catholic....
Is the New Covenant found in Daniel chapter 9?
Are we supposed to believe the angel Gabriel appeared to Daniel to reveal the timeline of the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and then the angel failed to even mention the New Covenant. Or, is the covenant with the many in Daniel 9:27 the same covenant with the many in Matthew 26:28? The 1599 Geneva Bible is the Bible the Pilgrims brought to America, before John Darby showed up on our shores. What was the earlier understanding of Daniel 9:27 found below in the notes of the 1599 Geneva Bible?
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Dan 9:27 And he shal confirme the couenant with many for one weeke: and in the middes of the weeke he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the ouerspreading of the abominations, he shall make it desolate, euen vntill the consummation determined shalbe powred vpon the desolate.
Daniel 9:27
And he (a) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to (b) cease, (c) and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.
(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.
(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.
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During recent years many New Covenant scholars have examined Daniel chapter 9 from a New Covenant perspective. Did Christ fulfill the summary found in Daniel 9:24? Is it about the New Covenant fulfilled by the blood of Christ at Calvary?
Dan 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. (These two verses are quoted from Jeremiah 31:31-34.)
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
The death of the Messiah is found in Daniel 9:26, and there are only two possible singular antecedents for the word “he” in the next verse. Those antecedents are either Christ or Titus, who was the prince of the people that destroyed the temple during 70 AD.
Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Is the “he” in Daniel 9:27 the “Messiah”, or “the prince” of the people that destroyed the city and the sanctuary in verse 26? If we used “the people of the prince” it would not be a singular “he”.
Does the author of the Book of Hebrews connect the New Covenant with the Messiah’s death found in Daniel 9:26, in the verse below?
Heb 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. (NKJV)
Verse 26 also says the Messiah would be cut off “after” the 69 weeks. If I agree to paint your house “after” 69 weeks, it will not be painted until the 70th week, or after. Is there a “gap” of almost 2,000 years between the 69th week and the 70th week, or was it fulfilled during the first century when the Gospel was preached “first” to the Jews?
We know there is a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as the Apostle Paul said in the verse below.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek.
Can we find a time period of about seven years when the Gospel was taken “first” to Daniel’s people during the first century? If we can, we have good evidence that the 70th week of Daniel has already been fulfilled.
Did Christ command His disciples to take the Gospel only to Israel in the passage below?
Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: "Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat 10:7 And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'
Is the time period when the Gospel was preached “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews in the passage above, confirmed in the passage below?
Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)
Act 10:37 That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
In the passage above Luke confirms the fact that the Gospel of Christ was preached throughout the land of Israel after the baptism which John preached. Here again, we have a text which reveals a time period when the Gospel was taken “first” to the Jews, as Paul said in Romans 1:16.
Bible scholars have looked at the number of Passover celebrations in the Gospels and have estimated Christ’s earthly ministry to have lasted about three and one half years. Was the Gospel taken “first” (Rom. 1:16) to the Jews for a period of about three and one half years during the period of time revealed in the Gospels?
In Galatians 1:14-18 Paul reveals he did not go up to see Peter until about 3 years after his conversion. During that time the Gospel continued to be taken almost exclusively to Daniel's people, before Paul took the Gospel to the Gentiles.
Read the recent book "The 70th Week of Daniel 9 DECODED" by David Wilcoxson for confirmation of the above.
@HANUNIJA I was saved after I got a tattoo. What do I do?
@@youbloodybloodworktimejasper dont listen to him man, he's lost. if you got a tattoo, its cool, as long as you didn't receive it for a sinful purpose. meaning if you got it out of pride to show it off, out of lust if it was a sexual image, etc. you can get it removed if you really don't want it or got it for one of these reasons by a bunch of different treatments; laser treatment, plastic surgery, etc.
Great points-waiting for that trumpet blast-I’m so ready to go Home!!
The trumpet blast is after the trib by the way.
“Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.”
Matthew 24:29-31 KJV
When the tribulation comes as it says all will experience it as it's our duty to go through the fire in Christ , that those who believe you won't ever see tribulation will be the first to denounce their faith.
Because if you so believe that the word of God was given to the final generation to solely not deal with the troubles of the world then you have not read at all.
Thank you for having common sense. It lacks in thr Christian community today
Pre-tribulation rapture is a DANGEROUS teaching that can/will lead to the worship of the antichrist
The doctrine of imminent return is heresy and pre-trib is a doctrine of demons. Incredible how many Christians are completely deceived by it. What's worse is the Preterist view which seems to be gaining ground and is even more dangerous.
The Rapture event takes place in the days of the Seventh Trumpet and occurs in Rev 14:14-16 which is described in Mathew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21.
Then the Wrath of God begins with the Seven Vials as detailed in Rev 15
The Lord's Second Coming is gloriously detailed in Rev 19 when He finally puts an end to man's rebellion, the Beast and the False Prophet.
@bob proctor Your wisdom and Christ like behavior is inspiring!
I'm sorry you've been brainwashed and lack the ability to comprehend Biblical truth.
"Know ye not that your bodies are the temple of God, and the spirit of god lives in you."
The temple presupposition I am not too sure is a proper NT theological idea.
A lot of this like what happened before Jesus first coming, I often feel we are expecting super literal versions of Jesus 2nd coming when it will probably be a bit more spiritual then we think, an ex is the topic such as the beast siting in the temple of god.
We presuppose it will happen or ONLY happen as an actual physical thing, but it may mean that this worldly system religious and or political may become many peoples idol worshipped over God, replacing him on the throne of peoples hearts where he should be.
John S, apparently you didn’t pay attention, there are several verses in the Bible that talks about an event where believers will meet the Lord in the air.
Must return? He WILL return. We await our King!
God forgive us for our sins.
Amen!!!
Jesus is king
The mark of the beast /system is here…we must fight and trust the lord weather we die or live ..we live in the lord
not a literal mark
@@jeffyboy9657 its a spiritual and physical mark
No it's not
How does this make sense when Jesus said his kingdom is in heaven and not earth
The question is how does Frank explain the assertion by Calvary chapel that there is evidence everywhere in the Bible for pre-trib rapture theory?
Yes... the Bible is clear their is a clear distinction between the Second Coming of Christ and the rapture.
Really? please show the verses and provide an explanation of them as it is clear as you say.
@@misovejasescuchanmivoz Every verse that explains the rapture, is being spoken to only Gentiles. Because Jew's are not raptured as they don't believe yet. The Rapture is only explained in verses that make sense for a rapture to be there. It is not mixed in with verses speaking of his second coming. His second coming is explained as a time of judgement, a time of fear and destruction. Yet all the rapture verses are the opposite of that. At his second coming it's angels with a trumpet, and it's angels who are gathering us. Yet, in the rapture verses it's God's Trumpet sounding, and Jesus receiving us in the clouds. The rapture verses describe us being taken to heaven, to a place he has been preparing for us. How can that happen when at his second coming we stay right here on earth to dwell for a thousand years in the millennial Kingdom? Then you have all the verses that speak to Gentiles Not Jews about how we are not destined to the wrath of God. And how we will escape it. We are his bride. Who else could it be in heaven at the marriage supper of the lamb? ALL of the tribulation is from God. Not just the second half. All the seals are Judgement seals from God. And in the seals it say's the anti-Christ was granted this, and was given that, etc.. It's clearly God making these things happen and giving power over to the Anti-Christ. It shows Jesus in control of it all, with each seal He opens. For only He can open the seals. This is clearly a time of judgment on the earth directly from God. And as we know from scripture, Jesus died on the cross for our sins, we are already forgiven. Scripture tells us we are already blameless in the eyes of God. He cannot pour out His judgement upon us. So there is no reason for us to be there. If I died today, I would go straight to heaven. I would not go through testing or judgement first. He already knows my heart. Lastly, we know that at the rapture our bodies are changed. We can no longer reproduce. If the rapture is at the end of the tribulation at the time of Christs coming, then ALL Christians at that time would be raptured with new bodies, and all non-Christians would be killed. So then who would populate the Millennial Kingdom? You would have only immortal non-producing bodies going in. And it's clear that in the Millennial Kingdom some of the people are dying and having children. Lastly, if believers deserve to go through the tribulation just like all the rest of the non-believers, then why does the bible help the believers so much during this time? Those who become Christians during the tribulation are given massive help and advise. The holey spirit is working overtime in them, helping them to get through being martyred, and literally speaking for them as if he's taken over their minds. And 144 thousand of them are sealed with Gods protection, so they can't be injured or killed. All 144 thousand of them come out of the tribulation unharmed and alive. Yet it's hard for you to believe God would rapture Believers before the Tribulation begins? All throughout the bible God saves believers and gets them out of the way before destroying the wicked.
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You don't know what you are talking about. Jews and Gentiles are the same as everyone that believes in Jesus' name will be saved.
The 1000 years is in heaven not on earth, the new Jerusalem which is the people of God has to descend from heaven with the sons of God to earth after those 1000 years.
Jesus coming will be loud and his brightness will destroy the evil ones and he will send his angels to pick up his people.
After the tribulation.
Lol, the difference between the two is that one of them doesn’t exist in scripture!
Amen
The difference is,you obviously didn't read the entirety of your Bible because thessalonians and revelation is very clear
@@aoyamiuriko5059 I’ve read the entirety of scripture multiple times and I agree with him. So did the entire church for almost 2000 years until this false doctrine started within the last 200 years. I admire Jack Hibbs for keeping his church open, but this dispensationalism is false and we are going to pay for the effects it takes on our world views.
Which one doesn't exist?
@@RonSwanson_ way have they failed miserably in providing verifiable evidence for anything they claim?
The event cannot happen at any time... don’t discredit the accuracy of prophecy based on the events, for Jack to claim he doesn’t know when he comes just shows he doesn’t understand the events leading up to the day of Christ which is NOT to be confused with the day of the Lord.
Jesus gave the signs of his coming in the gospels, does that mean you’ll know the day or the hour? Nope but you CAN know the signs of his coming. Revelation 6:11-12 is exactly what Christ depicted in the gospels as his coming, this is not when Jesus touches earth, Jesus first comes in the clouds to gather his bride, the second advent is when Christ comes back and TOUCHES THE EARTH = the battle of Armageddon. The Day of the Lord is the wrath being poured out on the earth while we believers are at the marriage supper of the lamb.
This seems like a heavy topic but it’s truly understandable ... so try harder... pre-trib nonsense will be a stumbling block to the church and just as mentioned in Daniel it will be a great falling away when the saints are overcome.
Don’t take my word for it - go and learn! Edify one another with humble hearts.
God bless
*Titus **2:13** Blessed Hope*
*****GLORIOUS APPEARING*****
**Rapture: Jesus coming in the Clouds with Great *****GLORY:*****
Dan.7:13-14
Matt.24:30-31
Mark 13:26-27
Luke 21:27
Rev.1:7
Rev.14:14-16
NO Scriptures show Jesus coming in the Clouds at PRE Tribulation.
“Pretrib nonsense will be a ... [cause of] a great falling away ...”
Right ...... 🤷♂️
There is already a great falling away and that has very little to do with the doctrine of pretribulation rapture.
But let’s talk about post tribulation
A wealthy handsome guy asks a plain average women to marry him. She says yes.
However, he has to go away for 7 years. “I will come back and receive you to myself.”
She promises to wait. She prepares her wedding dress. Showers and gets dress then waits for her man patiently and faithfully looking for the glorious day.
He sends his servants regularly to give her a beating - just to make sure that she really wants to get married. Then eventually he comes to get her.
O, glorious hope!!!
😂
Post tribulation is a doctrine of pride. “I’m going to show God how faithful I am. He’s going to be so proud of me!”
He’s not.
Post trib is an excuse to buy more ammo, wear camouflage, and discuss with your friends ie (Keepers Of Obscure Knowledge) how you’re going to survive it all.
@@memowilliam9889 So you disagree with scripture on the order of events leading to the tribulation and Gods state of affairs... gotcha 😂👍🏻
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You can talk all you’d like but unless your willing to actually throw down with scripture then your opinion is just that🤷🏻♂️
It’s not hard to study out what Daniel saw and correspond with the gospels and revelation, it’s quite a beautiful and simple picture. The highest honour in Christianity is bestowed upon the martyrs, we aren’t called to stock up, build cabins and buy guns 😂 so much nonsense and a pretty weak blanket statement for post trib believers... any ways if you’d like to discuss the scripture surrounding prophecy of end times I’d be more than happy to.
You can start by reading the gospels of when Jesus said he would return in the clouds and then go to revelation where you see in detail the exact thing Christ said would happen unfolds... then you can attempt to explain away the first 5 seals that are broken as something other than tribulation 🤣 good luck your time starts.... now
@@dorgonreborn4108 ....
“Your time starts .... now”
Piss off. I don’t answer to you.
BLOAT (buy more ammo today) the tribulation is coming!
😂 at you.
@@memowilliam9889
Your watered down Pre Tricked version of the falling away, is in contradiction to Prophetic Bible Scripture, typical of Pre Trib lies n heresies against Gods Word.
I pity your woman and kids who will needlessly suffer more than most because of your Disney Cartoon Pre Tripped beliefs.
I wonder what sweet LIES you will comfort their staving bellies with in that day ?
SOON ?
VERY SOON ?
IMMINENT ?
WE FLY SOON ?
They deserve better, and you are cursed for not preparing for them.
Your arrogance is going in the dirt.
Do you guys know where I can find the whole video?
Never liked when people compare the rapture to the second coming it makes it confusing. I think that's why people are confused now
The third temple is already here - we the church are the third temple - believers are now the temple of God. In revelation there is no physical temple described. Ezekiel says that this new temple will be forever / everlasting. If a physical third temple is built, it may not be fulfillment of prophesy. Either way, yes we must be always ready for the Lord's coming :)
@HANUNIJA that makes absolutely no sense from a biblical perspective. The mark of the beast is primarily a spiritual issue. The mark of the beast is the opposite of the shema in Deuteronomy 6. Verse 8 says: "Tie them as as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads". In other words, follow God's teachings in actions (the hands are a Hebrew idea of action) and always keep them in your mind (your forehead). The mark of the beast is willful, knowing opposition to God - an Antichrist spirit. The main thrust of the mark of the beast is direct opposition to God. Therefore taking a vaccination is NOT taking the mark of the beast. God bless you.
@HANUNIJA False Doctrine!!!
@Jiminy Cricket, good point. The idea of a physical third Jewish temple would nullify the work of Christ on the cross. In AD70 the temple was destroyed as Christ predicted. It was destroyed in devastating fashion without "one stone left upon another". This destruction put at end, once and for all, to the institution of animal sacrifices. No temple means no more sacrifices. The destruction of the temple in AD70 meant an end of the covenant of Law once and for all. For a third temple to be built would be an utter abomination, as it means that animal sacrifices will resume, thereby spitting in the face of Christ. People think that a third temple will be built and the abomination will be standing in the holy place (as a sign of the end times). If another temple is built, that temple itself will be an abomination! Not only that, it would mean the prophecy of Christ has been nullified, He said the temple would be destroyed and desolate. And it makes no sense to call a physical temple "forever and everlasting".
@@sammydodgers121 yes I agree with you. You also raise some very good points. God bless you brother 🙏
It is not here. Explain how the Abomination of Desolation can ENTER THE TEMPLE AND PROCLAIM himself lord of all, if there is no Temple? It will be built and end up destroyed ... again.
The Bible is clear, repeatedly declaring the third temple is the bride of Christ. It’s there over and over again clearly stated. Christ has already come thru Abraham and taken His place on David’s throne. It’s not a worldly throne, it’s an eternal throne. Check Galatians 3:12 and hear what Paul says because this confusion in the church is so similar to the confusion the Galatians church had. God’s promise was to Abraham and it was fulfilled. The whole world, Jew and gentile, have been blessed through him.
What do you mean exactly?
Exactly. That's why Jesus told pilot he is a King, but His kingdom is not of this world
Read 1 Thessalonians. Jesus returns with a GREAT SHOUT. There is no secret about the return of Jesus but the day.
But Nobody knows the day or the hour? and so it is "SECRET."
@@stephenngullie7222 Jesus'His return will not happen in secret. The day itself until now is a secret.
There is a difference between Rapture and 2nd coming of our Lord. 🥴
@@SGOV86 ofcourse! Jesus will not descent from heaven like invisible man in the movies. But here we are talking about that very particular day or moment is unknown/secret.
Sorry, but you said,when the Jesus return, the bride of Christ will be looking for the rapture, whereas, in Revelation 19, before the return of Jesus the bride of Christ arrayed in white linen was already preparing for the marriage with the Lamb... You also said that the bride of Christ referred to as an army seated upon white horses..., No verse in chapter 19 said that the bride of Christ was referred to as armies in heaven.... Please correct me if I am wrong of how I understand Revelation 19, Thank you...
Multiple Second Coming Visions in Revelation??? (book not in chronological order ?)
Christ returns at the end of Revelation chapter 6, with signs in the sun, moon, and stars, as are found in the Olivet Discourse.
Those at the end of the chapter are hiding from the wrath of the Lamb.
Why would they be hiding if Christ is not present?
The "kings", "captains", "might men", "free", and "bond" are also found in chapter 19 at the return of Christ.
He returns at the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible, and the time of the judgment of the dead in Revelation 11:15-18.
The beginning of chapter 12 is a history lesson containing the fall of Satan, and the birth and death of Christ, who is the seed promised to crush the head of Satan in Genesis 3:15.
The Second Coming is found in the "harvest" of chapter 14, which is related to the parable of the wheat and tares in Matthew chapter 13.
He comes as a thief at Armageddon, and we find the greatest earthquake in history in chapter 16. This occurs when the 7th angel pours out his vial. How powerful is an earthquake which moves islands and destroys the mountains? What is happening to the planet?
He comes on a horse in chapter 19.
Chapter 20?
Does He come with the fire, and the judgment of the dead at the end of chapter 20, which agrees with what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1?
(The time of the judgment of the dead is also found in Revelation 11:18.)
There are no mortals left alive on the planet at the end of Matthew 25:31-46.
Why does an angel come down from heaven with a key to unlock the bottomless pit in Revelation 9:1-2, if the pit was not already locked?
Revelation 9:14 proves some of the angels were previously bound in some manner.
Because the two witnesses were bodily resurrected from the dead in Revelation 11, the "first resurrection" at the beginning of Revelation 20 is not the first bodily resurrection in the book.
The principle of "Recapitulation" means there are multiple visions of His return.
Has anyone asked How much of Revelations has already happened?
What was John truly reviling in Revelations?